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Title: Scott Walker warns GOP to ‘wake up’ after Dems flip deep-red Wisconsin district
Post by: mystery-ak on January 17, 2018, 02:40:03 pm
Scott Walker warns GOP to ‘wake up’ after Dems flip deep-red Wisconsin district
By Rebecca Savransky - 01/17/18 07:49 AM EST

Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker (R) warned Republicans to "wake up" after Democrats flipped a state Senate seat in a GOP-leaning district.

"Senate District 10 special election win by a Democrat is a wake up call for Republicans in Wisconsin," Walker tweeted.

"WAKE UP CALL: Can’t presume that voters know we are getting positive things done in Wisconsin. Help us share the good news."

more
http://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/369281-scott-walker-warns-gop-to-wake-up-after-dems-flip-deep-red-wisconsin (http://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/369281-scott-walker-warns-gop-to-wake-up-after-dems-flip-deep-red-wisconsin)
Title: Re: Scott Walker warns GOP to ‘wake up’ after Dems flip deep-red Wisconsin district
Post by: edpc on January 17, 2018, 02:47:38 pm
"WAKE UP CALL: Can’t presume that voters know we are getting positive things done in Wisconsin. Help us share the good news."


He may want to rethink his approach.  Usually someone approaching you with good news and Awake is going to give you the Jehovah’s Witness pitch.


Title: Re: Scott Walker warns GOP to ‘wake up’ after Dems flip deep-red Wisconsin district
Post by: libertybele on January 17, 2018, 03:06:43 pm
The GOPe has no interest in changing. They have held the majority in both Houses for 2 election cycles and haven't done squat except support the leftist and criticize Trump.
Title: Re: Scott Walker warns GOP to ‘wake up’ after Dems flip deep-red Wisconsin district
Post by: mystery-ak on January 17, 2018, 03:58:07 pm
UPSET: Democrats Take Wisconsin Seat In District Trump Won By 17%. What Does That Mean For 2018?
https://www.dailywire.com/news/25989/upset-democrats-take-wisconsin-seat-district-trump-ben-shapiro (https://www.dailywire.com/news/25989/upset-democrats-take-wisconsin-seat-district-trump-ben-shapiro)
Title: Re: Scott Walker warns GOP to ‘wake up’ after Dems flip deep-red Wisconsin district
Post by: edpc on January 17, 2018, 04:12:08 pm
It's fine if they want to raise voter awareness, but I really don't think this means what they believe its does.  Majority parties hardly show up for midterms, much less special elections.  A few years back, I lived in a school district and they put a levy on the usual November ballot.  It was heavily voted down.  The school whined and cried about it, so they put it to a vote again in March.  It failed, but barely.  Half the number that voted in November showed up to vote again.  They pit it to a third vote in June.  Turnout was even lower.  Guess what - this time, it passed.

Fatigue had set in with the voters, even though they had originally expressed they really didn't want it.  The 24/7 new cycle and non-stop coverage of everything Trump and the GOP does is numbing people.
Title: Re: Scott Walker warns GOP to ‘wake up’ after Dems flip deep-red Wisconsin district
Post by: Frank Cannon on January 17, 2018, 04:13:34 pm
There was another special election in WI this week in GOP district that the GOP won. Could it be that this isn't Rat enthusiasm as much as the GOP running another shit candidate in this race?
Title: Re: Scott Walker warns GOP to ‘wake up’ after Dems flip deep-red Wisconsin district
Post by: bilo on January 17, 2018, 04:26:03 pm
Maybe  it's just a lack of enthusiasm of Pub voters. After all, we fought really hard for a lot of years to get the House, Senate and Executive and all we have to show for it is tax cuts. Obamacare is still on the books and the Obamacare taxes exist, other than the mandate. Immigration reform still hasn't happened and the wall isn't being built yet.

 
Title: Re: Scott Walker warns GOP to ‘wake up’ after Dems flip deep-red Wisconsin district
Post by: Concerned on January 17, 2018, 05:26:24 pm
Yet another harbinger what’s likely to occur in the mid-terms IMO:  first Virginia, then ruby-red Alabama, and now a district Trump won by 17 points goes to the Dems by 9.  Not good.  I think the Republican Party really needs someone to truly lead it and lead it right now!
Title: Re: Scott Walker warns GOP to ‘wake up’ after Dems flip deep-red Wisconsin district
Post by: Emjay on January 17, 2018, 05:31:08 pm
There was another special election in WI this week in GOP district that the GOP won. Could it be that this isn't Rat enthusiasm as much as the GOP running another shit candidate in this race?

Could be.  I find my interest in Wisconsin elections to be sadly lacking and I know nothing about the relative candidates.

You could be right.
Title: Re: Scott Walker warns GOP to ‘wake up’ after Dems flip deep-red Wisconsin district
Post by: edpc on January 17, 2018, 06:00:40 pm
It’s not easy to generate enthusiasm in the dead of winter when the messenger is a boring, wonky-eyed drip like Walker.  After getting elected twice and shutting down the recall bid, I was anxious to see how the guy would perform on the national stage.  He was extremely underwhelming.
Title: Re: Scott Walker warns GOP to ‘wake up’ after Dems flip deep-red Wisconsin district
Post by: jmyrlefuller on January 17, 2018, 07:02:54 pm
Yet another harbinger what’s likely to occur in the mid-terms IMO:  first Virginia, then ruby-red Alabama, and now a district Trump won by 17 points goes to the Dems by 9.  Not good.  I think the Republican Party really needs someone to truly lead it and lead it right now!
This is what happens when you elect a man whose first priority is his own ego as the titular head of your party and you have a Congress unable and unwilling to pull together over important issues.

I keep thinking back to the 2017 Syracuse mayoral election, where a guy who was the third-generation member of a Republican dynasty swore off the GOP and beat the Democrat in a city that had typically elected Democrats four times as often as they did Republicans.

I hate to say it, but the Republican brand might be toxic.
Title: Re: Scott Walker warns GOP to ‘wake up’ after Dems flip deep-red Wisconsin district
Post by: bilo on January 17, 2018, 07:17:26 pm
It’s not easy to generate enthusiasm in the dead of winter when the messenger is a boring, wonky-eyed drip like Walker.  After getting elected twice and shutting down the recall bid, I was anxious to see how the guy would perform on the national stage.  He was extremely underwhelming.

Yeah, but look what he's done for the State. He took on all the entrenched special interests and won. I think the lack of support for Pubs is due to the failures of the Pubs at the national level. They have the majorities and don't have the courage to pass the agenda they claimed to support.
Title: Re: Scott Walker warns GOP to ‘wake up’ after Dems flip deep-red Wisconsin district
Post by: Frank Cannon on January 17, 2018, 07:19:57 pm
Yet another harbinger what’s likely to occur in the mid-terms IMO:  first Virginia, then ruby-red Alabama, and now a district Trump won by 17 points goes to the Dems by 9.  Not good.  I think the Republican Party really needs someone to truly lead it and lead it right now!

Guessing you hoping for Kasich or Bush to step in. Possibly Romney in a pinch.
Title: Re: Scott Walker warns GOP to ‘wake up’ after Dems flip deep-red Wisconsin district
Post by: XenaLee on January 17, 2018, 07:21:59 pm
Scott Walker warns GOP to ‘wake up’ after Dems flip deep-red Wisconsin district
By Rebecca Savransky - 01/17/18 07:49 AM EST

Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker (R) warned Republicans to "wake up" after Democrats flipped a state Senate seat in a GOP-leaning district.

"Senate District 10 special election win by a Democrat is a wake up call for Republicans in Wisconsin," Walker tweeted.

"WAKE UP CALL: Can’t presume that voters know we are getting positive things done in Wisconsin. Help us share the good news."

more
http://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/369281-scott-walker-warns-gop-to-wake-up-after-dems-flip-deep-red-wisconsin (http://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/369281-scott-walker-warns-gop-to-wake-up-after-dems-flip-deep-red-wisconsin)

Perhaps Walker should "wake up".   The problem isn't that the GOP isn't aware or awake.  It's the RINO, don't GAD and don't enjoy being held accountable as a result of being in the majority factor.  They much prefer to be the minority party so they can continue to "pretend" to care about the things they run/ran on.... like full repeal of Obamacare.
 
Title: Re: Scott Walker warns GOP to ‘wake up’ after Dems flip deep-red Wisconsin district
Post by: Cripplecreek on January 17, 2018, 07:39:21 pm
Yet another harbinger what’s likely to occur in the mid-terms IMO:  first Virginia, then ruby-red Alabama, and now a district Trump won by 17 points goes to the Dems by 9.  Not good.  I think the Republican Party really needs someone to truly lead it and lead it right now!

Now imagine the massacre coming to republicans in marginal states. I told the MI GOP caller begging for cash that they can lose this consistent GOP voter's phone number because I'm done voting till Trumpism is dead and buried.
Title: Re: Scott Walker warns GOP to ‘wake up’ after Dems flip deep-red Wisconsin district
Post by: Frank Cannon on January 17, 2018, 07:42:14 pm
Now imagine the massacre coming to republicans in marginal states. I told the MI GOP caller begging for cash that they can lose this consistent GOP voter's phone number because I'm done voting till Trumpism is dead and buried.

The "consistent GOP voter" who didn't vote for the GOP candidate in the '16 election? I guess you will retort with how severely conservative you are next.
Title: Re: Scott Walker warns GOP to ‘wake up’ after Dems flip deep-red Wisconsin district
Post by: Restored on January 17, 2018, 07:46:40 pm
How would "waking up" help?
Title: Re: Scott Walker warns GOP to ‘wake up’ after Dems flip deep-red Wisconsin district
Post by: Cripplecreek on January 17, 2018, 07:56:55 pm
The "consistent GOP voter" who didn't vote for the GOP candidate in the '16 election? I guess you will retort with how severely conservative you are next.

Return to the sticky well used centerfold of Trump you keep under the bathroom sink little boy.

I didn't ask for your degenerate opinion.
Title: Re: Scott Walker warns GOP to ‘wake up’ after Dems flip deep-red Wisconsin district
Post by: INVAR on January 17, 2018, 08:00:13 pm
Perhaps Walker should "wake up".   The problem isn't that the GOP isn't aware or awake.  It's the RINO, don't GAD and don't enjoy being held accountable as a result of being in the majority factor.  They much prefer to be the minority party so they can continue to "pretend" to care about the things they run/ran on.... like full repeal of Obamacare.

I think what has 'woken up' among enough Conservative voters, is the fact that the Republican party is useless and just another arm of the Democrat Big-Government Oligarchy.

I think a major repeat of 2006 is at-hand, and deservedly so.

It's time to start over somewhere else outside of the corrupted national parties.
Title: Re: Scott Walker warns GOP to ‘wake up’ after Dems flip deep-red Wisconsin district
Post by: Free Vulcan on January 17, 2018, 10:22:58 pm
First, look at the GOP candidate. Was he a loser?

Then look at turnout. It's easy to manipulate it in a special election, especially with the amount of money they can pour into such a small contest. That may or may not translate to turnout in a general.

In gubanatorial elections the GOP turns out more heavily, if they're motivated. Walker has done a good job, so the the base for state level candidates should be good.

I still say that this falls to McConnell and Ryan. Get some good legislation passed, get the base fired up, and you won't have any problems.
Title: Re: Scott Walker warns GOP to ‘wake up’ after Dems flip deep-red Wisconsin district
Post by: Frank Cannon on January 17, 2018, 10:28:13 pm
First, look at the GOP candidate. Was he a loser?

A quick look over his record shows he is some sort of fanatical Conservative. He jammed up some deal to get Foxxcon to move into the area and add jobs and he voted against Walkers budget because of some spending bullshit. Both seem like a bad idea to voters.
Title: Re: Scott Walker warns GOP to ‘wake up’ after Dems flip deep-red Wisconsin district
Post by: Fishrrman on January 18, 2018, 03:39:39 am
Concerned wrote:
"I think the Republican Party really needs someone to truly lead it and lead it right now!"

They have someone.
The problem is not that he isn't leading --- it's that they're not following.
Title: Re: Scott Walker warns GOP to ‘wake up’ after Dems flip deep-red Wisconsin district
Post by: TomSea on January 18, 2018, 04:17:09 am
I saw the general election for that county in Wisconsin in 2016 was about 81,000 voters,

This election saw 11,000 voters. That might explain it.  They flashed this graphic on TV.
Title: Re: Scott Walker warns GOP to ‘wake up’ after Dems flip deep-red Wisconsin district
Post by: dfwgator on January 18, 2018, 04:47:36 am
We will always be at a disadvantage in terms of motivation, because Democrats and Liberals see government as the "be all, end all" of their existence, whereas Conservatives see government as a 'necessary evil' and they would rather focus on their lives.
Title: Re: Scott Walker warns GOP to ‘wake up’ after Dems flip deep-red Wisconsin district
Post by: To-Whose-Benefit? on January 18, 2018, 10:43:09 am

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Title: Re: Scott Walker warns GOP to ‘wake up’ after Dems flip deep-red Wisconsin district
Post by: Concerned on January 18, 2018, 12:53:14 pm
Concerned wrote:
"I think the Republican Party really needs someone to truly lead it and lead it right now!"

They have someone.
The problem is not that he isn't leading --- it's that they're not following.

And I think leaders have a responsibility to figure out a way to motivate the troops to follow them.   One thing that often helps is to clearly communicate to the troops, the vision, values, and objectives.  Here’s an example of the lack of leadership just from yesterday:
 
“As negotiations continue, GOP senators say they need to see what Trump would sign before they can proceed.

"I'm looking for something that President Trump supports. And he's not yet indicated what measure he's willing to sign," McConnell told reporters Wednesday. "As soon as we figure out what he is for, then I would be convinced that we were not just spinning our wheels going to this issue on the floor but actually dealing with a bill that has a chance to become law and therefore solve the problem."

I've found that good leaders will often lay out the broad strokes or the lines in the road and then let the troops operate within them and negotiate the details.  Poor leaders fail to communicate what they want or keep moving the goal posts for their troops.  Not surprisingly, this frustrates the troops and often causes them not to want to follow that poor leader.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/17/senate-will-take-up-immigration-daca-bill-that-trump-supports-mitch-mcconnell-says.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/17/senate-will-take-up-immigration-daca-bill-that-trump-supports-mitch-mcconnell-says.html)
Title: Re: Scott Walker warns GOP to ‘wake up’ after Dems flip deep-red Wisconsin district
Post by: Oceander on January 18, 2018, 01:45:18 pm
Concerned wrote:
"I think the Republican Party really needs someone to truly lead it and lead it right now!"

They have someone.
The problem is not that he isn't leading --- it's that they're not following.

:bigsilly:
Title: Re: Scott Walker warns GOP to ‘wake up’ after Dems flip deep-red Wisconsin district
Post by: libertybele on January 18, 2018, 01:48:18 pm
:bigsilly:

Ah, but he is leading, and your positive attitude towards our POTUS and this country has been noted once again!
Title: Re: Scott Walker warns GOP to ‘wake up’ after Dems flip deep-red Wisconsin district
Post by: Oceander on January 18, 2018, 01:58:48 pm
Ah, but he is leading, and your positive attitude towards our POTUS and this country has been noted once again!

Leading?  Hardly.  Not in any meaningful sense of the word.  Maybe circulating the toilet, but that’s hardly the sort of leadership that’s needed.

And your fawning idolatrous worship of a very flawed human being is duly noted, once again.
Title: Re: Scott Walker warns GOP to ‘wake up’ after Dems flip deep-red Wisconsin district
Post by: Cripplecreek on January 18, 2018, 02:49:58 pm
And I think leaders have a responsibility to figure out a way to motivate the troops to follow them.   One thing that often helps is to clearly communicate to the troops, the vision, values, and objectives.  Here’s an example of the lack of leadership just from yesterday:
 
“As negotiations continue, GOP senators say they need to see what Trump would sign before they can proceed.

"I'm looking for something that President Trump supports. And he's not yet indicated what measure he's willing to sign," McConnell told reporters Wednesday. "As soon as we figure out what he is for, then I would be convinced that we were not just spinning our wheels going to this issue on the floor but actually dealing with a bill that has a chance to become law and therefore solve the problem."

I've found that good leaders will often lay out the broad strokes or the lines in the road and then let the troops operate within them and negotiate the details.  Poor leaders fail to communicate what they want or keep moving the goal posts for their troops.  Not surprisingly, this frustrates the troops and often causes them not to want to follow that poor leader.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/17/senate-will-take-up-immigration-daca-bill-that-trump-supports-mitch-mcconnell-says.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/17/senate-will-take-up-immigration-daca-bill-that-trump-supports-mitch-mcconnell-says.html)

The problem is that they want top down rule and can't grasp that its a very different animal than leadership. It runs counter to everything federalist republicanism has ever been about.

They think Trump has some kind of overwhelming mandate and he clearly doesn't. Trump's primary wins were almost always in the 35 to 38 percent range and I don't think he broke 50 percent till after everybody else dropped out. And then in a nation where less than half of eligible voters vote, he barely squeaked out a win over the world's worst democrat candidate. Basically Trump was elected by around 20% of Americans and has decided to piss off the other 80%. (Someone is sure to come along and wrongly declare that people who didn't vote have no right to speak)

Representatives are elected to represent the people of their individual districts. They were not elected to represent the president. The fact is that Trumper challengers have done exceedingly poorly and hasn't done incumbents any favors either. The screaming moron who challenged my GOP congressman ran on "Trump gonna build a wall" "MAGA!!!!!" and "Messicans took R Jahbs". He adopted the leftist tactic of calling my congressman "Wall street Wally" and in the end he lost by a 70/30 margin.

Trump will go down in history as a one term president who with the help of his MAGA "army" handed the country over to the democrats. We had all 3 branches of the federal government as well as GOP supermajorities in more than half the states (races there are scary too). We had the best chance of real American reform in the past century and a bunch of MAGA idiots have decided to squander it.

Title: Re: Scott Walker warns GOP to ‘wake up’ after Dems flip deep-red Wisconsin district
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on January 19, 2018, 07:16:06 am

He may want to rethink his approach.  Usually someone approaching you with good news and Awake is going to give you the Jehovah’s Witness pitch.

Scott Walker is a deeply religious man.  He talks like an evangelical because he is one.  Like me.  I voted for him three times.  Last year, for the first time in 26 years, I did not vote republican, and for the first time in 28 years I did not vote.  I will vote for Walker again in 2018, unashamedly.
Title: Re: Scott Walker warns GOP to ‘wake up’ after Dems flip deep-red Wisconsin district
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on January 19, 2018, 07:17:17 am
The GOPe has no interest in changing. They have held the majority in both Houses for 2 election cycles and haven't done squat except support the leftist and criticize Trump.
Trump is the GOPe. ****sheep****
Title: Re: Scott Walker warns GOP to ‘wake up’ after Dems flip deep-red Wisconsin district
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on January 19, 2018, 07:21:28 am
There was another special election in WI this week in GOP district that the GOP won. Could it be that this isn't Rat enthusiasm as much as the GOP running another shit candidate in this race?

Since the GOP won a special election in a GOP district, all is well.   888high58888
Title: Re: Scott Walker warns GOP to ‘wake up’ after Dems flip deep-red Wisconsin district
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on January 19, 2018, 07:47:57 am
It’s not easy to generate enthusiasm in the dead of winter when the messenger is a boring, wonky-eyed drip like Walker.  After getting elected twice and shutting down the recall bid, I was anxious to see how the guy would perform on the national stage.  He was extremely underwhelming.

Governor Walker has been elected 3 times since Nov 2010.  Perhaps you forgot about his recall election.  Governor Walker faced a recall election because he crippled the state government unions, and gave all of WI a taxcut.  He's cut state government spending dramatically...

so I overlook his droopy eyes, much like you overlook the complete embarrassment called the President. 

Governor Walker is not nearly as skilled at insulting, scapegoating, and offending as many Americans as the President.   He doesn't know how to stroke a skinhead, birther, or Milo's ego, but I could not be prouder of my Governor.  I hope to vote for Scott again, if I have not been blown up by Nov.
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Title: Re: Scott Walker warns GOP to ‘wake up’ after Dems flip deep-red Wisconsin district
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on January 19, 2018, 08:01:39 am
The "consistent GOP voter" who didn't vote for the GOP candidate in the '16 election? I guess you will retort with how severely conservative you are next.

I've always been disgusted with the GOP's scapegoating of hispanics, and I've always despised the isolationist wing of the party, but I once voted for the GOP as the lesser of 2 evils, because they claimed, and sometimes delivered on the issues that mattered to me.

1 taxcuts
2 abortion
3 a strong military

If the GOP can make more gains in those areas, I might vote for candidates who reflect those views, but I will never again vote for a republican who doesn't espouses those ideals, and I will not vote for a republican because it helps the team.  Those days are gone.
Title: Re: Scott Walker warns GOP to ‘wake up’ after Dems flip deep-red Wisconsin district
Post by: DB on January 19, 2018, 08:21:47 am
Governor Walker has been elected 3 times since Nov 2010.  Perhaps you forgot about his recall election.  Governor Walker faced a recall election because he crippled the state government unions, and gave all of WI a taxcut.  He's cut state government spending dramatically...

so I overlook his droopy eyes, much like you overlook the complete embarrassment called the President. 

Governor Walker is not nearly as skilled at insulting, scapegoating, and offending as many Americans as the President.   He doesn't know how to stroke a skinhead, birther, or Milo's ego, but I could not be prouder of my Governor.  I hope to vote for Scott again, if I have not been blown up by Nov.
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I don't believe edpc is a Trump fan at all.
Title: Re: Scott Walker warns GOP to ‘wake up’ after Dems flip deep-red Wisconsin district
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on January 19, 2018, 08:33:37 am
I don't believe edpc is a Trump fan at all.
My apologies.  Is he not a fan of republicans?
Title: Re: Scott Walker warns GOP to ‘wake up’ after Dems flip deep-red Wisconsin district
Post by: DB on January 19, 2018, 08:53:26 am
My apologies.  Is he not a fan of republicans?

I don't know what he thinks of Republicans in general.
Title: Re: Scott Walker warns GOP to ‘wake up’ after Dems flip deep-red Wisconsin district
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on January 19, 2018, 09:20:12 am
I checked his last 50 posts.  You are correct he isn't a Trump fan. My deep apologies to @edpc.  I did not intend to slur you, as supporting Trump, intentionally or maliciously...I just didn't check the record. I hope this incident doesn't scar you.
Title: Re: Scott Walker warns GOP to ‘wake up’ after Dems flip deep-red Wisconsin district
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 19, 2018, 10:44:30 am
I've always been disgusted with the GOP's scapegoating of hispanics, and I've always despised the isolationist wing of the party, but I once voted for the GOP as the lesser of 2 evils, because they claimed, and sometimes delivered on the issues that mattered to me.

1 taxcuts 2 abortion 3 a strong military

If the GOP can make more gains in those areas, I might vote for candidates who reflect those views, but I will never again vote for a republican who doesn't espouses those ideals, and I will not vote for a republican because it helps the team.  Those days are gone.

The ones doing the fighting always suspected your type is politically unreliable and useless. Thanks for confirming it. 

If you ever find yourself in need of a foxhole .... keep walking.

In the meantime---

(https://i.imgflip.com/1toqa5.jpg)
Title: Re: Scott Walker warns GOP to ‘wake up’ after Dems flip deep-red Wisconsin district
Post by: To-Whose-Benefit? on January 19, 2018, 11:48:58 am
The ones doing the fighting always suspected your type is politically unreliable and useless. Thanks for confirming it. 

If you ever find yourself in need of a foxhole .... keep walking.

In the meantime---

(https://i.imgflip.com/1toqa5.jpg)

 :thumbsup:

You go to war with the army you've got, not the one you wish you had.

Nothing like getting out your fox-hole to lead the charge and getting shot in the back by one of your own, 'cause he doesn't like the odds, your leadership style, or he's waiting on better weather.
Title: Re: Scott Walker warns GOP to ‘wake up’ after Dems flip deep-red Wisconsin district
Post by: edpc on January 19, 2018, 01:35:45 pm
Governor Walker has been elected 3 times since Nov 2010.  Perhaps you forgot about his recall election.  Governor Walker faced a recall election because he crippled the state government unions, and gave all of WI a taxcut.  He's cut state government spending dramatically...


I'm aware of all that.  As I had said in the original quote, he was elected twice and shut down the recall effort.  I had expectations he'd do a lot better in the primary than be did, but he fell completely flat.  It was surprising he had a Rick Perry 2012 or Fred Thompson 2008 like showing after what he'd done for the state.  As for the Trump support, you've figured it out.  There are some negative things about him I don't buy into, like collusion, white supremacy, and insanity.  I just don't trust him, because of the various contradictions in his verifiable words over the decades. 
Title: Re: Scott Walker warns GOP to ‘wake up’ after Dems flip deep-red Wisconsin district
Post by: INVAR on January 19, 2018, 05:47:36 pm
If you ever find yourself in need of a foxhole .... keep walking.

Why would we look for a foxhole among a rabid bunch of you Trump fanatics who declared us traitors and enemies of the state that you hate more than you do Democrats?

Since we are enemies, by your own declarations and threats - there 'aint a chance in hell any of us would trust being on the same battlefield with you people.
Title: Re: Scott Walker warns GOP to ‘wake up’ after Dems flip deep-red Wisconsin district
Post by: bilo on January 19, 2018, 06:36:17 pm
Why would we look for a foxhole among a rabid bunch of you Trump fanatics who declared us traitors and enemies of the state that you hate more than you do Democrats?

Since we are enemies, by your own declarations and threats - there 'aint a chance in hell any of us would trust being on the same battlefield with you people.

I'm with you on the behavior of the Trump supporters.

We do have to admit though that Trump has been pretty faithful to his campaign pledges. He is not all that great at the legislative side of things, but all the Pubs had to do was pass bills and so far they've failed on the 2 big things Obamacare & immigration. Trump has been rescinding the executive orders that Obama signed. Trump has been nominating strict constructionist judges. Trump has confronted issues in foreign policy that all the previous presidents punted on.

My main reason for not voting for Trump was I didn't believe he would do what he said he would do. Also, his brash campaign style and lying about other candidates turned me off. However, despite his negatives I really can't complain about what he's tried to do.

Unfortunately, I think so many swing voters are so concerned with "style points" rather than substance that no matter what they do at this point the Pubs are in big trouble and so is Trump.
Title: Re: Scott Walker warns GOP to ‘wake up’ after Dems flip deep-red Wisconsin district
Post by: INVAR on January 19, 2018, 07:11:48 pm
We do have to admit though that Trump has been pretty faithful to his campaign pledges.

If we did not vote for and support Trump 110% from the beginning, then we are forbidden from applauding or commenting in the affirmative, anything we like that Trump does, according to his rabid followers who have declared us enemies.

The only way that demand gets 'lifted' is if we grovel publicly, and affirm and swear that we were stupid not to see Trump's genius and that we swear fealty and loyalty to Trump forever from now on.

Because the only thing Trump's rabid fanatics live for, is to shove their fingers in our face while screaming we are 'losers' and enemies' deserving of gulags and MAGA!, MAGA!, MAGA!

Because you know, acquiescing to that particular kind of persuasive reasoning always changes the minds of those who are governed by principles and not punitive bandwagons.  /sarc.
Title: Re: Scott Walker warns GOP to ‘wake up’ after Dems flip deep-red Wisconsin district
Post by: Night Hides Not on January 19, 2018, 07:54:07 pm
If we did not vote for and support Trump 110% from the beginning, then we are forbidden from applauding or commenting in the affirmative, anything we like that Trump does, according to his rabid followers who have declared us enemies.

The only way that demand gets 'lifted' is if we grovel publicly, and affirm and swear that we were stupid not to see Trump's genius and that we swear fealty and loyalty to Trump forever from now on.

Because the only thing Trump's rabid fanatics live for, is to shove their fingers in our face while screaming we are 'losers' and enemies' deserving of gulags and MAGA!, MAGA!, MAGA!

Because you know, acquiescing to that particular kind of persuasive reasoning always changes the minds of those who are governed by principles and not punitive bandwagons.  /sarc.

I've never thought of bullying and shouting "MAGA" at the top of one's lungs as a particularly effective leadership style.

Best battalion commander I ever had demanded imagination and independence from his officers. Sure, I got chewed out from time to time, but it was forgotten the second I left the old man's office. I didn't mind, I was only a 1st LT at the time. He told us what his expectations were, and it was up to us to figure out how to meet/exceed those expectations.
Title: Re: Scott Walker warns GOP to ‘wake up’ after Dems flip deep-red Wisconsin district
Post by: bilo on January 19, 2018, 10:32:21 pm
If we did not vote for and support Trump 110% from the beginning, then we are forbidden from applauding or commenting in the affirmative, anything we like that Trump does, according to his rabid followers who have declared us enemies.

The only way that demand gets 'lifted' is if we grovel publicly, and affirm and swear that we were stupid not to see Trump's genius and that we swear fealty and loyalty to Trump forever from now on.

Because the only thing Trump's rabid fanatics live for, is to shove their fingers in our face while screaming we are 'losers' and enemies' deserving of gulags and MAGA!, MAGA!, MAGA!

Because you know, acquiescing to that particular kind of persuasive reasoning always changes the minds of those who are governed by principles and not punitive bandwagons.  /sarc.

To heck with that, Trump supporters don't determine whether I agree with something or not. If I agree with what Trump does I'll say so and if I disagree I'll say so.

Fanatics are fools. They are blinded by their fanaticism and can't see when they have been taken advantage of. As I said before I think Trump has done pretty well except on the legislative side. I had hoped the career politicians would have been able to handle that side of things, but they've largely failed us and are going to suffer badly in the midterms because of it.
Title: Re: Scott Walker warns GOP to ‘wake up’ after Dems flip deep-red Wisconsin district
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on January 20, 2018, 01:41:53 am
The ones doing the fighting always suspected your type is politically unreliable and useless. Thanks for confirming it. 

If you ever find yourself in need of a foxhole .... keep walking.

That is excellent advice.
For everyone.

Title: Re: Scott Walker warns GOP to ‘wake up’ after Dems flip deep-red Wisconsin district
Post by: Fantom on January 20, 2018, 02:17:58 am
I'm with you on the behavior of the Trump supporters.

We do have to admit though that Trump has been pretty faithful to his campaign pledges. He is not all that great at the legislative side of things, but all the Pubs had to do was pass bills and so far they've failed on the 2 big things Obamacare & immigration. Trump has been rescinding the executive orders that Obama signed. Trump has been nominating strict constructionist judges. Trump has confronted issues in foreign policy that all the previous presidents punted on.

My main reason for not voting for Trump was I didn't believe he would do what he said he would do. Also, his brash campaign style and lying about other candidates turned me off. However, despite his negatives I really can't complain about what he's tried to do.

Unfortunately, I think so many swing voters are so concerned with "style points" rather than substance that no matter what they do at this point the Pubs are in big trouble and so is Trump.

Damn it... quit being reasonable.  :thumbsup:

I agree with almost all... I do not think 2018 is going to be good to the far left.
Title: Re: Scott Walker warns GOP to ‘wake up’ after Dems flip deep-red Wisconsin district
Post by: To-Whose-Benefit? on January 20, 2018, 02:35:48 am
Damn it... quit being reasonable.  :thumbsup:

I agree with almost all... I do not think 2018 is going to be good to the far left.

Dem Donors are not donating.

Without money they're dead in the water, suffocating in their own desperation.
Title: Re: Scott Walker warns GOP to ‘wake up’ after Dems flip deep-red Wisconsin district
Post by: INVAR on January 20, 2018, 03:11:40 am
Dem Donors are not donating.

Maybe I am naive, but I thought Democrats just steal taxpayer monies and Union Dues while funneling dough though pay-to-play 'foundations' to get the billions upon billions they need to campaign and "win" office??
Title: Re: Scott Walker warns GOP to ‘wake up’ after Dems flip deep-red Wisconsin district
Post by: DB on January 20, 2018, 03:19:47 am
They sell influence/access. When they're not in power they lose influence and therefore don't get paid as much. How's the Clinton foundation doing now that they both are out of top level government???
Title: Re: Scott Walker warns GOP to ‘wake up’ after Dems flip deep-red Wisconsin district
Post by: To-Whose-Benefit? on January 20, 2018, 03:46:49 am
Maybe I am naive, but I thought Democrats just steal taxpayer monies and Union Dues while funneling dough though pay-to-play 'foundations' to get the billions upon billions they need to campaign and "win" office??

No. You're not naive. They do Exactly that.

But it takes Totals, and they are getting crushed by the RNC.

Tom Steyer To Donate $30 Million To Help Dems Retake House in 2018
https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/tips/tom-steyer-to-donate-dollar30-million-to-help-democrats-retake-house-in-2018/vp-BBI74Ka (https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/tips/tom-steyer-to-donate-dollar30-million-to-help-democrats-retake-house-in-2018/vp-BBI74Ka)

That's DOWN $44 Million from his last mega funding blitz.

Rats have wasted whatever Punch and Judy they paraded around behind under Obama to the point where they don't have the credibility remaining to gather the needed TOTALS from Billionaire jerks like Steyer anymore.

And unless they come up with Something, Anything, as an alternative to Trump's policies, initiatives, even his Persona if you will, it is going to get worse for them, much worse.

It's not even Trump himself that's hamstringing them.

As one columnist put it a few months back, it's not Trump the man but Trump-ism that's got people fired up.

Like it or not, good or bad, it's a wave of Populism that is Crushing the Rats and no amount of Media hair tearing and poll rigging is going to change that.
Title: Re: Scott Walker warns GOP to ‘wake up’ after Dems flip deep-red Wisconsin district
Post by: INVAR on January 20, 2018, 03:55:47 am
Like it or not, good or bad, it's a wave of Populism that is Crushing the Rats and no amount of Media hair tearing and poll rigging is going to change that.

Well that doesn't make me feel all warm and fuzzy inside either.  I've heard from more than just a few "Republicans" that operating the country from a dictatorship is perfectly fine with them as long as their political enemies are the ones punished and their wealth and opportunities are enriched.
Title: Re: Scott Walker warns GOP to ‘wake up’ after Dems flip deep-red Wisconsin district
Post by: To-Whose-Benefit? on January 20, 2018, 04:19:13 am
Well that doesn't make me feel all warm and fuzzy inside either.  I've heard from more than just a few "Republicans" that operating the country from a dictatorship is perfectly fine with them as long as their political enemies are the ones punished and their wealth and opportunities are enriched.

As to the "Foundations" an active and engaged FEC ought to be all over them like stink on a diaper for Money Laundering, Conspiracy, and other Racketeering and Fraud related charges.

Trump nominated Robert Wood Johnson IV' 'Woody' - inheritor of the massive JNJ fortune - and owner of the NY Jets as our Ambassador to England to open up the crooked hands of crooked British medical products regulators as part of his 'Art of the Deal' to get JNJ on board with lowering prescription drug prices here in the States.

England has been owned by GSK for decades, and they've been getting caught for decades and receiving a slap on the wrist for it, for Decades.

Wouldn't surprise me a bit if somewhere down the road some low life OK-ed a merger/restructure/buy out/trade off of assets here between JNJ/GSK.

Trump nominated a former CEO of Eli Lily to run HHS. I am not blind to this. It STINKS to High Heaven.