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General Category => Elections 2024 => Topic started by: mystery-ak on March 18, 2023, 05:00:23 pm
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President Trump announces first ‘MAGA’ rally of 2024 presidential campaign
written by Alex Caldwell March 17, 2023
https://twitter.com/realLizUSA/status/1636854178524938241
https://www.rsbnetwork.com/news/president-trump-announces-first-maga-rally-of-2024-presidential-campaign/
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President Trump announces first ‘MAGA’ rally of 2024 presidential campaign
written by Alex Caldwell March 17, 2023
https://twitter.com/realLizUSA/status/1636854178524938241
https://www.rsbnetwork.com/news/president-trump-announces-first-maga-rally-of-2024-presidential-campaign/
Gonna be hard to do if he's in jail.
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Gonna be hard to do if he's in jail.
That was my thought as well.
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The All Hat, No Cattle rally. Yee Hah
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WTF is he doing in Texas, aren't there some Battleground States out there that he won in 16 but lost in 20 that need Attention?
Oh, it's the $$$$, to shore up some shaker Donors that are leaning RON and know how to play him like a fiddle.
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Whenever he's arrested, he'll be out on bail almost immediately, if cash bail is even set at all. He's clearly not a flight risk.
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WTF is he doing in Texas, aren't there some Battleground States out there that he won in 16 but lost in 20 that need Attention?
Oh, it's the $$$$, to shore up some shaker Donors that are leaning RON and know how to play him like a fiddle.
It's okay to take some of your stream of consciousness to your grave. Just thought you should know happy77
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Trump supporters seem to suffer from bubble thinking. They think passionate supporters at rallies, and a nomination translates to votes in the general election. They also think that Trump is just gonna go in there and take scalps while spending us into further bankruptcy on issues and projects only they want. Look how defensive they become when that bubble is threatened.
No matter who the nominees is, they have to overcome the many advantages that the democrat candidate will have. And the only way you’re going to do that is to secure the base and attract enough independent voters. Reagan understood that. Donald Trump does not.
Banking on Donald Trump becoming a victim and things getting so bad might work but I wouldn’t want to bet on it
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Major Bill predicts:
"Whenever he's arrested, he'll be out on bail almost immediately, if cash bail is even set at all. He's clearly not a flight risk."
Just like the illegal trespassers at the Capitol in DC on Jan. 6th, eh?
Some of them are STILL in jail, on totally trumped up (heehee) charges.
The dem-communists don't care about "flight risk" -- their goal is to make an example and humiliate him. Maybe they've already lined up a leftist judge who will be "on their side". We shall see.
I got questions for anyone reading this.
Mr. Trump is an ex-president, and as such is surrounded by a coterie of armed Secret Service agents (not to mention his own private security). I'm of the mind that most of the SS agents working on his detail are there because they respect the guy. And... they are sworn to their duty to to protect his person against others.
What's going to happen when that DA from NYC has his guards to grab Mr. Trump and "put him under" arrest?
Are those SS agents and private security people gonna just step out of the way?
Are they gonna "surrender his person" to whatever the DA and his lackeys want to do with Mr. Trump?
Inquiring minds want to know...!
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Major Bill predicts:
"Whenever he's arrested, he'll be out on bail almost immediately, if cash bail is even set at all. He's clearly not a flight risk."
Just like the illegal trespassers at the Capitol in DC on Jan. 6th, eh?
Some of them are STILL in jail, on totally trumped up (heehee) charges.
No, not like them. The bail will be set very low, or more likely "own recognizance.
Mr. Trump is an ex-president, and as such is surrounded by a coterie of armed Secret Service agents (not to mention his own private security). I'm of the mind that most of the SS agents working on his detail are there because they respect the guy. And... they are sworn to their duty to to protect his person against others.
That doesn't include lawful arrest.
What's going to happen when that DA from NYC has his guards to grab Mr. Trump and "put him under" arrest?
Well, it wouldn't be the "DA's guards". It would just normal cops.
Are those SS agents and private security people gonna just step out of the way?Are they gonna "surrender his person" to whatever the DA and his lackeys want to do with Mr. Trump?
Yes and yes. Although it is just as likely they'll simply contact his lawyers and arrange a time for him to report of his own volition.
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Trump supporters seem to suffer from bubble thinking. They think passionate supporters at rallies, and a nomination translates to votes in the general election. They also think that Trump is just gonna go in there and take scalps while spending us into further bankruptcy on issues and projects only they want. Look how defensive they become when that bubble is threatened.
No matter who the nominees is, they have to overcome the many advantages that the democrat candidate will have. And the only way you’re going to do that is to secure the base and attract enough independent voters. Reagan understood that. Donald Trump does not.
Banking on Donald Trump becoming a victim and things getting so bad might work but I wouldn’t want to bet on it
It's true
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Trump supporters seem to suffer from bubble thinking. They think passionate supporters at rallies, and a nomination translates to votes in the general election.
Those who don't support Trump still suffer from crowd envy.
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Those who don't support Trump still suffer from crowd envy.
Sorry buddy but Trump has alienated his own supporters, such as me, by his non-stop whining and taking shots at fellow republicans. He's getting old and very childish...
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Sorry buddy but Trump has alienated his own supporters, such as me, by his non-stop whining and taking shots at fellow republicans. He's getting old and very childish...
The comment doesn't even make any sense. "Crowd envy?" Us ordinary non-Trump supporters are not running for office, or otherwise doing anything in which attracting a crowd to hang on every word we say would be either expected or even relevant.
The idea that those who don't support Trump must wish they had crowds like that of their own is just...weird.
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Those who don't support Trump still suffer from crowd envy.
In the eyes of one addicted to celebrity, yes.
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The comment doesn't even make any sense. "Crown envy?" Us ordinary non-Trump supporters are not running for office, or otherwise doing anything in which attracting a crowd to hang on every word we say would be either expected or even relevant.
The idea that those who don't support Trump must wish they had crowds like that of their own is just...weird.
Yeah, I didn’t know what that meant or what to do with it. I’ve never heard of anything called “crowd envy”….lol
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The comment doesn't even make any sense. "Crowd envy?" Us ordinary non-Trump supporters are not running for office.
But your establishment lackies are ----- and they have to invite more media to fill a cubicle.
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https://twitter.com/stevenvoiceover/status/1448622335280525320
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Remember when their dem President lied to us all on TV about Monica and subsequently every dem office holder stood for a group photo in unity on the Capital steps? Not happening here. Are there any Texas Republican office holders on stage with him tonight? I heard even the Republican Mayor of Waco is not going to be there.
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Remember when their dem President lied to us all on TV about Monica and subsequently every dem office holder stood for a group photo in unity on the Capital steps? Not happening here. Are there any Texas Republican office holders on stage with him tonight? I heard even the Republican Mayor of Waco is not going to be there.
Haven’t you heard? Trumpers don’t need anybody
They don’t need conservatives
They don’t need independents
They don’t need any other Republicans, because, after all, everybody but Donald Trump is a “Soros Globalist one world government anti Christ that wants to sell the country out to China.”
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But your establishment lackies are ----- and they have to invite more media to fill a cubicle.
If Trump wants to win a national election he is going to need every vote and that includes the establishment lackeys
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Haven’t you heard? Trumpers don’t need anybody
They don’t need conservatives
They don’t need independents
They don’t need any other Republicans, because, after all, everybody but Donald Trump is a “Soros Globalist one world government anti Christ that wants to sell the country out to China.”
Exactly. And after alienating every voter who isn't a die hard Trumper, they'll claim they were cheated when they come up short in votes.
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Exactly. And after alienating every voter who isn't a die hard Trumper, they'll claim they were cheated when they come up short in votes.
:amen: :amen: :amen:
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Remember when their dem President lied to us all on TV about Monica and subsequently every dem office holder stood for a group photo in unity on the Capital steps? Not happening here. Are there any Texas Republican office holders on stage with him tonight? I heard even the Republican Mayor of Waco is not going to be there.
I miss the days when we used to think that Character mattered. I mean that is what we all said in the 90s.
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I miss the days when we used to think that Character mattered. I mean that is what we all said in the 90s.
Yeah, but did you know that Ron Desanctimonious buys underage girls alcohol, gets them intoxicated, and then has his way with them?
Donny even found a picture to prove it
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I miss the days when we used to think that Character mattered. I mean that is what we all said in the 90s.
Joking aside, this is true. We raked Clinton over the coals for behavior that many of the MAGA excuse Trump for. I am safe in assuming that the same people giving Trump a pass were also in line criticizing Clinton's behavior.
But MAGAs believe everyday rules, and norms don't apply to them. They are on a mission to "save the country" and they should be able to do as they please to achieve that goal. I had one poster claim that character is a 1955 mindset to expect from a president because the country is collapsing, and they need to save it. Hillary Clinton probably had the same mindset. Yes, she's crooked and unethical. But she desires to good, as defined by her, therefore, the rules shouldn't apply
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Joking aside, this is true. We raked Clinton over the coals for behavior that many of the MAGA excuse Trump for. I am safe in assuming that the same people giving Trump a pass were also in line criticizing Clinton's behavior.
But MAGAs believe everyday rules, and norms don't apply to them. They are on a mission to "save the country" and they should be able to do as they please to achieve that goal. I had one poster claim that character is a 1955 mindset to expect from a president because the country is collapsing, and they need to save it. Hillary Clinton probably had the same mindset. Yes, she's crooked and unethical. But she desires to good, as defined by her, therefore, the rules shouldn't apply
There certainly is some of that, but I think some of them would say that it isn't that character doesn't matter - it's just that it is outweighed by the magnitude of the issues.
Obviously, when it comes to those who won't acknowledge/admit it when Trump does something like that, those definitely fall into that first category of character/personality not mattering.
I personally fall into the second category in 2016 and 2020. But this time around, I think the character issues - and the tangible problems they cause -- are worse, and the policies aren't as strong. So I'm not voting for him period in 2024.
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There certainly is some of that, but I think some of them would say that it isn't that character doesn't matter - it's just that it is outweighed by the magnitude of the issues.
Obviously, when it comes to those who won't acknowledge/admit it when Trump does something like that, those definitely fall into that first category of character/personality not mattering.
I personally fall into the second category in 2016 and 2020. But this time around, I think the character issues - and the tangible problems they cause -- are worse, and the policies aren't as strong. So I'm not voting for him period in 2024.
You saw this from Democrats, and specifically, feminists, during Clinton's tenure. Since Bill Clinton supported abortion rights, the feminists ignored or excused his behavior towards women
Maga's are of the similar mindset that because unemployment amongst women was low during Trump's tenure, then that overrides his comments about physical appearances of women, "bleeding from where ever," and using his star power to grab them by the genitals
I voted for him in 2020, not 2016, but will also not be voting for him in 2024. We can't afford another Trump/Biden/Trump era
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You saw this from Democrats, and specifically, feminists, during Clinton's tenure. Since Bill Clinton supported abortion rights, the feminists ignored or excused his behavior towards women
Maga's are of the similar mindset that because unemployment amongst women was low during Trump's tenure, then that overrides his comments about physical appearances of women, "bleeding from where ever," and using his star power to grab them by the genitals
I voted for him in 2020, not 2016, but will also not be voting for him in 2024. We can't afford another Trump/Biden/Trump era
I think another Trump term would accomplish very little other than destroying the GOP. I also think a lot of Trump voters would see that as a positive.
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I think another Trump term would accomplish very little other than destroying the GOP. I also think a lot of Trump voters would see that as a positive.
MAGA’s are more interested in keeping DeSantis from getting the 2024 nomination than winning the general election
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THEY will certainly sit out 24 if Trump is not running, 10~15%.
The same thing they've been accusing us of all these years.
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MAGA’s are more interested in keeping DeSantis from getting the 2024 nomination than winning the general election
Yes, they are taking their cue from the unhinged orange man.
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Yes, they are taking their cue from the unhinged orange man.
It's sad that part of me hopes he gets indicted, so maybe he'll fade into oblivion. BUT, this will likely just make him and his base more energized.
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You saw this from Democrats, and specifically, feminists, during Clinton's tenure. Since Bill Clinton supported abortion rights, the feminists ignored or excused his behavior towards women
Maga's are of the similar mindset that because unemployment amongst women was low during Trump's tenure, then that overrides his comments about physical appearances of women, "bleeding from where ever," and using his star power to grab them by the genitals
I voted for him in 2020, not 2016, but will also not be voting for him in 2024. We can't afford another Trump/Biden/Trump era
I voted for Trump in 2016 and 2020 but not in 2024. I'm voting myself for President. I like some of the issues he did, but he needs to move on and let younger people run for President.
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The All Hat, No Cattle rally. Yee Hah
@Wingnut
Which is better than a "No hat in the hot sun,no cattle" RINO Rally.
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It's sad that part of me hopes he gets indicted, so maybe he'll fade into oblivion. BUT, this will likely just make him and his base more energized.
An indictment won't cause him to fade into oblivion; an indictment will simply supercharge his messiah complex and all but guarantee that he does his utmost to tear down the GOP and anyone with the temerity to commit blasphemy and not bow down before him.
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Exactly. And after alienating every voter who isn't a die hard Trumper, they'll claim they were cheated when they come up short in votes.
@Maj. Bill Martin
HorseHillary!
The Anti-Trumper definition of a "die hard Trumper" is "ANYONE who doesn't vote for the PC candidate."
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They are on a mission to "save the country"
@LMAO
I just love the way you belittle "save the country" while demanding we all vote for some candidate that would get fewer votes than Trump because you think his presidency would provide you with more money.
Not to worry,though. Under the Dim budgets,even the homeless will soon be millionaires!
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You saw this from Democrats, and specifically, feminists, during Clinton's tenure. Since Bill Clinton supported abortion rights, the feminists ignored or excused his behavior towards women
Maga's are of the similar mindset that because unemployment amongst women was low during Trump's tenure, then that overrides his comments about physical appearances of women, "bleeding from where ever," and using his star power to grab them by the genitals
I voted for him in 2020, not 2016, but will also not be voting for him in 2024. We can't afford another Trump/Biden/Trump era
@LMAO
How many women has Trump "grabbed by the genitals",and how did those women earn their livings?
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MAGA’s are more interested in keeping DeSantis from getting the 2024 nomination than winning the general election
@LMAO
While it is true that most people don't like a backstabbing little bitch, I personally don't care if DeSantis lives or dies because he has proven himself to be untrustworthy.
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@LMAO
While it is true that most people don't like a backstabbing little bitch, I personally don't care if DeSantis lives or dies because he has proven himself to be untrustworthy.
You are such a kind soul... *****rollingeyes*****
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THEY will certainly sit out 24 if Trump is not running, 10~15%.
The same thing they've been accusing us of all these years.
@corbe
I will,and don't mind admitting it. Oh,I will vote for local and state candidates,but I will NOT vote for DeSantis if he continues to stab Trump in the back so he can get the nomination.
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Yes, they are taking their cue from the unhinged orange man.
@libertybele
Yeah,MUCH wiser to vote for a backstabbing little bitch that will say and do anything he has to say or do to be the alleged Republican nomination,right?
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@LMAO
While it is true that most people don't like a backstabbing little bitch, I personally don't care if DeSantis lives or dies because he has proven himself to be untrustworthy.
Wow. You are way off base here @sneakypete Exactly how did DeSantis stab the rude orange man in the back?
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@LMAO
While it is true that most people don't like a backstabbing little bitch, I personally don't care if DeSantis lives or dies because he has proven himself to be untrustworthy.
And you’re entitled to vote for whoever you want for whatever reason
I will vote for the candidate that’s closest to conservative credentials
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@LMAO
While it is true that most people don't like a backstabbing little bitch, I personally don't care if DeSantis lives or dies because he has proven himself to be untrustworthy.
:mauslaff:
No, the only reason you don't like DeSantis is because you've been told not to like him by Trump, who is scared to death of the fact that DeSantis is actually able to get things done, whereas Trump is not.
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@libertybele
Yeah,MUCH wiser to vote for a backstabbing little bitch that will say and do anything he has to say or do to be the alleged Republican nomination,right?
???? DeSantis' record speaks for itself and he has done very well for FL and Floridians, which is his job! He ignores DC and goes about what he feels is right. He's a conservative. He's popular. Yes, I know you see that as a threat to the rude orange man.
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???? DeSantis' record speaks for itself and he has done very well for FL and Floridians, which is his job! He ignores DC and goes about what he feels is right. He's a conservative. He's popular. Yes, I know you see that as a threat to the rude orange man.
:thumbsup:
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Wow. You are way off base here @sneakypete Exactly how did DeSantis stab the rude orange man in the back?
@libertybele
Seriously?
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:mauslaff:
No, the only reason you don't like DeSantis is because you've been told not to like him by Trump, who is scared to death of the fact that DeSantis is actually able to get things done, whereas Trump is not.
@Kamaji
You have crawled right up his butt to live,haven't you?
What are you going to do if,for some reason,he doesn't run?
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@Kamaji
You have crawled right up his butt to live,haven't you?
What are you going to do if,for some reason,he doesn't run?
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Paint, paint, paint, right into that corner.
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@Maj. Bill Martin
HorseHillary!
The Anti-Trumper definition of a "die hard Trumper" is "ANYONE who doesn't vote for the PC candidate."
@sneakypete
I'm not sure what you mean by "the PC candidate", but doesn't it really mean anyone who votes for someone else in the primary? In which case, I think we agree. Trump is alienating every GOP voter who might prefer someone else in the primary, and there is absolutely zero chance Trump can win a general election that way.
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@libertybele
Seriously?
Yes seriously. Please do explain and give a valid example @sneakypete
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@sneakypete
I'm not sure what you mean by "the PC candidate", but doesn't it really mean anyone who votes for someone else in the primary? In which case, I think we agree. Trump is alienating every GOP voter who might prefer someone else in the primary,
@Maj. Bill Martin
Not only that,but he is the ONLY candidate in all of history who has done that!
The FIEND!
and there is absolutely zero chance Trump can win a general election that way.
Yeah,what we need is another Bush. Is JEB busy?
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Yes seriously. Please do explain and give a valid example @sneakypete
@libertybele
Give me a link and I will be happy to explain.
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Yeah,what we need is another Bush. Is JEB busy?
@sneakypete
You realize you completely ducked the point, right? Isn't it your view that any candidate who runs against Trump in the GOP primary, and anyone who supports those candidates over Trump himself, is an "Anti-Trumper"?
Not only that,but he is the ONLY candidate in all of history who has done that!
The FIEND!
What successful Presidential candidate won the election after deliberately alienating anyone who didn't support him in the primary? Reagan made a huge effort to bring in the "GOPe" after he beat GHWB in the 2000 primary. Bush did the same thing in 2000, and even Trump made an effort to do that in 2016. But even Trump himself never did this kind of scorched earth in 2016.
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@libertybele
Give me a link and I will be happy to explain.
Oh, this is a funny one
Make an accusation, but yet demand everybody else back up the accusation
This is comedy gold
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MAGA’s are more interested in keeping DeSantis from getting the 2024 nomination than winning the general election
Please, stop trying to speak for Trump supporters @LMAO I realize it's your favorite fantasy-driven hobby, but you're making a fool of yourself.
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@sneakypete
You realize you completely ducked the point, right? Isn't it your view that any candidate who runs against Trump in the GOP primary, and anyone who supports those candidates over Trump himself, is an "Anti-Trumper"?
@Maj. Bill Martin
Well,one of us must have missed/ducked the point,anyhow.
What successful Presidential candidate won the election after deliberately alienating anyone who didn't support him in the primary? Reagan made a huge effort to bring in the "GOPe" after he beat GHWB in the 2000 primary. Bush did the same thing in 2000, and even Trump made an effort to do that in 2014. But even Trump himself never did this kind of scorched earth in 2016.
That was then,and this is now. Was Trump running against a senile old fool who has been proven to be both a traitor and a as corrupt as any public official who has ever lived?
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Please, stop trying to speak for Trump supporters @LMAO I realize it's your favorite fantasy-driven hobby, but you're making a fool of yourself.
We don't speak for Trump supporters, or for Trump. We simply listen, and draw logical conclusions.
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Oh, this is a funny one
Make an accusation, but yet demand everybody else back up the accusation
This is comedy gold
@lamo
ESAD.
I have better things to do with my time that spend it trying to please you by looking up a link you want to argue about.
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Please, stop trying to speak for Trump supporters @LMAO I realize it's your favorite fantasy-driven hobby, but you're making a fool of yourself.
Well, it probably is unfair for me to paint everybody who is going to vote for Donald Trump in that corner. But it applies to you
I have never seen any nomination where a candidate and his supporters meltdown over the idea that they might not just get to walk into a nomination. Seriously, every single temper tantrum he has you see it as some kind of grand campaign strategy when everybody else outside the bubble sees it for what it is.
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We don't speak for Trump supporters, or for Trump. We simply listen, and draw logical conclusions.
:thumbsup:
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@Maj. Bill Martin
That was then,and this is now. Was Trump running against a senile old fool who has been proven to be both a traitor and a as corrupt as any public official who has ever lived?
Okay...so is your point that because Trump will be running against a "senile old fool who has been proven to be both a traitor and as corrupt....(etc.), he doesn't really need the support of those Republicans who preferred someone else in the primaries? Because so many people will hate Biden that they'll have no choice but to vote for Trump, and therefore Trump doesn't need to "unite the party"?
@sneakypete
And I'm asking all this because it truly seems to me that Trump and a good number of his supporters really don't care if he alienates permanently other Republicans.
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Well, it probably is unfair for me to paint everybody who is going to vote for Donald Trump in that corner. But it applies to you
I have never seen any nomination where a candidate and his supporters meltdown over the idea that they might not just get to walk into a nomination. Seriously, every single temper tantrum he has you see it as some kind of grand campaign strategy when everybody else outside the bubble sees it for what it is.
@LMAO
Well,Trump IS the only candidate that can and is likely to make changes. He can only serve one term,so he is not looking forward to a re-election campaign,and all he really cars about is how he is written about in the history books.
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@LMAO
Well,Trump IS the only candidate that can and is likely to make changes. He can only serve one term,so he is not looking forward to a re-election campaign,and all he really cars about is how he is written about in the history books.
You’re molding him into what you think will happen. The rest of us are pointing out not only what happened while president but what he’s doing now as a candidate.
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@LMAO
Well,Trump IS the only candidate that can and is likely to make changes. He can only serve one term,so he is not looking forward to a re-election campaign,and all he really cars about is how he is written about in the history books.
I'll just say that historically, Presidents are less effective in their second term than in their first, and are lame ducks as soon as they are elected. And they get nothing done after midterms.
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@LMAO
Well,Trump IS the only candidate that can and is likely to make changes. He can only serve one term,so he is not looking forward to a re-election campaign,and all he really cars about is how he is written about in the history books.
:mauslaff:
Like he did the last time we trusted him with the office of president?
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We hear so much about all this wonderful stuff that’s gonna happen if he should get a second term. But if the out of control spending becomes a big issue, and I believe it is, you can’t even argue that he’s found religion on that. In fact, he’s promising more.
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@libertybele
Give me a link and I will be happy to explain.
You're the one who made the claim about DeSantis, so you are the one that needs to provide the link that DeSantis is stabbing Trump in the back.
That's ok ... I'll patiently wait.
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We hear so much about all this wonderful stuff that’s gonna happen if he should get a second term. But if the out of control spending becomes a big issue, and I believe it is, you can’t even argue that he’s found religion on that. In fact, he’s promising more.
@LMAO With all fairness, part of the huge increase in deficit was because of the cost of providing emergency PPE's, research on vaccines, etc. Heck Trump even brought in a hospital ship for NY. Makeshift hospital facilities were erected. All that costs money. Also the enormous cost of unemployment. So .... I'm not so sure I would classify that as runaway spending. When COVID hit we encountered a huge economic burden. Was it for not? Mostly so. However at the time Trump handled the Chinese virus beautifully.
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@LMAO With all fairness, part of the huge increase in deficit was because of the cost of providing emergency PPE's, research on vaccines, etc. Heck Trump even brought in a hospital ship for NY. Makeshift hospital facilities were erected. All that costs money. Also the enormous cost of unemployment. So .... I'm not so sure I would classify that as runaway spending. When COVID hit we encountered a huge economic burden. Was it for not? Mostly so. However at the time Trump handled the Chinese virus beautifully.
The hospitals and PPE was a drop in the bucket, and the vaccine financing was mostly private. The real costs were the massive amounts of money we handed out to people not to work for an extended period of time. And the reason that was necessary was because Trump went along with putting Fauci up there to recommend shutting down the whole country.
That spending is on Trump.
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The hospitals and PPE was a drop in the bucket, and the vaccine financing was mostly private. The real costs were the massive amounts of money we handed out to people not to work for an extended period of time. And the reason that was necessary was because Trump went along with putting Fauci up there to recommend shutting down the whole country.
That spending is on Trump.
Agreed.
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@lamo
ESAD.
I have better things to do with my time that spend it trying to please you by looking up a link you want to argue about.
I haven’t even asked you to look up a link on anything
I simply commented on the fact that when someone else asked you for examples of where DeSantis stabbed Trump in the back, you demanded that they provide you the link
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I have never seen any nomination where a candidate and his supporters meltdown over the idea that they might not just get to walk into a nomination.
And you still haven't.
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@LMAO With all fairness, part of the huge increase in deficit was because of the cost of providing emergency PPE's, research on vaccines, etc. Heck Trump even brought in a hospital ship for NY. Makeshift hospital facilities were erected. All that costs money. Also the enormous cost of unemployment. So .... I'm not so sure I would classify that as runaway spending. When COVID hit we encountered a huge economic burden. Was it for not? Mostly so. However at the time Trump handled the Chinese virus beautifully.
That’s partially true. But we were already on the path of insolvency even before Covid.
https://www.propublica.org/article/national-debt-trump/amp
“federal finances under Trump had become dire even before the pandemic. That happened even though the economy was booming and unemployment was at historically low levels. By the Trump administration’s own description, the pre-pandemic national debt level was already a “crisis” and a “grave threat.”
The combination of Trump’s 2017 tax cut and the lack of any serious spending restraint helped both the deficit and the debt soar. So when the once-in-a-lifetime viral disaster slammed our country and we threw more than $3 trillion into COVID-19-related stimulus, there was no longer any margin for error.”
But let’s say he had no choice and the lockdowns, and the money being handed out, was the sole driver of the Trump debt. Why is he still promising more spending?
Without Covid, he probably would’ve overseen the same amount on the national debt as Barack Obama did in his two terms should Trump have won another term. And we raked Barack Obama over hot coals for the amount that he helped add to the national debt. Why do some people think that Trump should get a pass?
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You’re molding him into what you think will happen. The rest of us are pointing out not only what happened while president but what he’s doing now as a candidate.
@LMAO
What else am I supposed to do,mold him into who YOU think he will be?
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I'll just say that historically, Presidents are less effective in their second term than in their first, and are lame ducks as soon as they are elected. And they get nothing done after midterms.
@Maj. Bill Martin
And I will reply that unlike all the rest,Trump isn't a professional politician,and he is running for the history books,not the "Party".
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:mauslaff:
Like he did the last time we trusted him with the office of president?
@Kamaji
The last time he was a rookie politician who thought that like in the business world,you could trust your subordinates in the political world.
This time he not only knows he needs to keep a closer eye on them,he knows it is his last opportunity to make it big in the history books.
But frankly,I am getting tired of trying to explain this over and over to closed minds. This last comment was NOT directed at you,but the anti-Trump whiners in general.
Do whatever the hell you all want to do come election day. You can be sure thats what I am going to do.
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You're the one who made the claim about DeSantis, so you are the one that needs to provide the link that DeSantis is stabbing Trump in the back.
That's ok ... I'll patiently wait.
@libertybele
Cool! Keep waiting.
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The hospitals and PPE was a drop in the bucket, and the vaccine financing was mostly private. The real costs were the massive amounts of money we handed out to people not to work for an extended period of time. And the reason that was necessary was because Trump went along with putting Fauci up there to recommend shutting down the whole country.
That spending is on Trump.
@Maj. Bill Martin
EVERYTHING is Trumps fault.
Gotcha.
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@LMAO
What else am I supposed to do,mold him into who YOU think he will be?
I don’t know where you got that idea.
You make the claim all the time that Donald Trump’s second term is going to be near Nirvana. You always make the claim that he’s wants to go down as the president in the history books that “saved America.” That’s quite a burden to put on him.
But in the real world, that’s just fantasy. He may be running on things that he believes in and that’s expected. Just like Bernie Sanders tries to run on issues he believes in. But, like Sanders, it’s not like the rest of the country is just gonna sit back and let him mold America into his vision
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@Kamaji
The last time he was a rookie politician who thought that like in the business world,you could trust your subordinates in the political world.
This time he not only knows he needs to keep a closer eye on them,he knows it is his last opportunity to make it big in the history books.
But frankly,I am getting tired of trying to explain this over and over to closed minds. This last comment was NOT directed at you,but the anti-Trump whiners in general.
Do whatever the hell you all want to do come election day. You can be sure thats what I am going to do.
This is still a fantasy that you’ve created. I can understand voting for the guy because he has some policies that are really important to you. But you’re putting all your hopes into a politician.
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I don’t know where you got that idea.
You make the claim all the time that Donald Trump’s second term is going to be near Nirvana.
@LMAO
Really? How about a direct quote on that,Bubba?
You always make the claim that he’s wants to go down as the president in the history books that “saved America.” That’s quite a burden to put on him.
I didn't put that burden on him. He did that himself. His ego would not allow him to give home to any other outcome.
But, like Sanders, it’s not like the rest of the country is just gonna sit back and let him mold America into his vision
Then America is OVER as a free nation of free people,but I don't believe that to be true. Trump is,in FACT,the ONLY candidate that doesn't have to play "the long game" because he will NOT be running for re-election.
All he will be "running for" is the history books. He might not accomplish even half of what he wants thanks to all the resistance he is going to get from the entrenched status quo people who would lose money and position if anything changes,but he IS going to try.
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This is still a fantasy that you’ve created. I can understand voting for the guy because he has some policies that are really important to you. But you’re putting all your hopes into a politician.
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@LMAO
"Hopes" are ALL that any of us have. There are no such things as actual "Crystal Balls" that can see into the future.
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@Maj. Bill Martin
And I will reply that unlike all the rest,Trump isn't a professional politician,and he is running for the history books,not the "Party".
Every President, especially second-termers. are running for the history books, or "their legacy". Nobody has a hold of them at that point. It's nothing unique to Trump.
The problem is that because they can't run again, people start looking past them and are more willing to defy/challenge them, even within their own party. That's why they get less done.
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Every President, especially second-termers. are running for the history books, or "their legacy". Nobody has a hold of them at that point. It's nothing unique to Trump.
The problem is that because they can't run again, people start looking past them and are more willing to defy/challenge them, even within their own party. That's why they get less done.
Sad,but too often true.