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Officer who pinned George Floyd taken into custody
by Anthony Leonardi
| May 29, 2020 01:33 PM
The officer who pinned down George Floyd by the neck was taken into custody.
Officer Derek Chauvin, who is seen in a video that emerged online arresting and pinning George Floyd with his knee, was taken into custody by the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension, Minnesota Public Safety Commissioner John Harrington announced on Friday.
Chauvin, who has been fired from the department along with three other officers, has not yet been charged with any crime.
Protests in the city of Minneapolis began Tuesday after the footage of Floyd, a 46-year-old black man, circulated on social media, but eventually erupted into violent riots. Floyd was pinned by the neck for approximately eight minutes until he became unresponsive. He was later pronounced dead at a hospital.
During a Friday press conference, Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz, a Democrat, demanded a stop to the looting, arson, or other crimes in his state after three consecutive days of chaotic protesting.
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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/officer-who-pinned-george-floyd-taken-into-custody (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/officer-who-pinned-george-floyd-taken-into-custody)
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Other officers under investigation per Prosecutor
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3rd degree murder and manslaughter are the charges...developing
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Derek Chauvin Charged with Murder of George Floyd
Ezra Dulis 29 May 2020
The state of Minnesota announced Friday afternoon that Derek Chauvin, the former police officer seen pressing his knee on the neck of George Floyd shortly before he passed out and died, has been arrested.
Hennepin County Attorney Mike Freeman revealed that Chauvin has been charged with third-degree murder and manslaughter roughly 50 minutes after his arrest became known to the public.
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https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/05/29/derek-chauvin-arrested-for-death-of-george-floyd/ (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/05/29/derek-chauvin-arrested-for-death-of-george-floyd/)
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Other officers under investigation per Prosecutor
-The guy was down, handcuffed, knee on neck, crying out, multiple officers standing by, and none of them intervene?
-the officer in question had several prior questionable incidents?
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3rd degree murder and manslaughter are the charges...developing
That won't placate the mob. Nothing less than a death penalty case will do.
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That won't placate the mob. Nothing less than a death penalty case will do.
You're right the family wants 1st degree murder
...and I always thought 3rd degree was manslaughter :shrug:
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That won't placate the mob. Nothing less than a death penalty case will do.
And if they don't hang him high by tomorrow there will be no peace. The he!! with due process.
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Yesterday, supposedly it was reported that there was evidence of no criminal wrongdoing. Where is that evidence??
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You're right the family wants 1st degree murder
...and I always thought 3rd degree was manslaughter :shrug:
I'd never even heard of 3rd deg murder.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-degree_murder (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-degree_murder)
Third-degree murder is a category of murder defined in the laws of three states in the United States: Florida, Minnesota, and Pennsylvania. It was also formerly defined in New Mexico (which once had five degrees of murder) and Wisconsin.
Depending on the state, third-degree murder may include felony murder regardless of the underlying felony, felony murder only where the underlying felony is non-violent, or depraved-heart murder. It is punishable by a maximum of 40 years imprisonment in Florida (in the case of a violent career criminal) and Pennsylvania, and 25 years imprisonment in Minnesota.
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I'd never even heard of 3rd deg murder.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-degree_murder (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-degree_murder)
@Elderberry Thanks for the info
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By Tim Sullivan and Amy Amy Forliti
https://apnews.com/e27cfce9464809aa8c91afd74c930bb5?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=AP&utm_campaign=SocialFlow
MINNEAPOLIS (AP) — The police officer who was seen on video kneeling on the neck of George Floyd, a handcuffed black man who died in custody after pleading that he could not breathe, was arrested Friday and charged with murder in a case that sparked protests across the United States and violence in Minneapolis.
Hennepin County Attorney Mike Freeman said Derek Chauvin was charged with third-degree murder and manslaughter. Freeman did not provide immediate details, but said a criminal complaint would be made available later Friday and that more charges were possible.
In the video, Chauvin is seen kneeling on Floyd’s neck as Floyd is on the ground. He gradually becomes motionless as Chauvin and three other officers ignore bystanders’ shouts to get off him. Freeman said the investigation continues into the other three officers, but that authorities “felt it appropriate to focus on the most dangerous perpetrator.â€
Freeman highlighted the “extraordinary speed†in charging the case just four days after Floyd’s death, but also defended himself against questions about why it did not happen sooner. He said his office needed time to put together evidence, including what he called the “horrible†video by a bystander. He said he would not bring a case unless he had enough evidence to prove the charges beyond a reasonable doubt . . .
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Side note, in Reason: Even Police Unions Trash the Actions of the Cop Who Killed George Floyd (https://reason.com/2020/05/29/even-police-unions-trash-the-actions-of-the-cop-who-killed-george-floyd/)
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The cop pinning George Floyd's neck with his knee may not be the sole cause of George's death. It was most likely caused, or at least contributed, by the weight of the 2 cops that were on George's back. That was probably why he couldn't breathe. All 3 of them should have been arrested.
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The cop pinning George Floyd's neck with his knee may not be the sole cause of George's death. It was most likely caused, or at least contributed, by the weight of the 2 cops that were on George's back. That was probably why he couldn't breathe. All 3 of them should have been arrested.
I'm betting the others will be, and very soon.
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That won't placate the mob. Nothing less than a death penalty case will do.
Not so. This will go a long way to placate the people who actually live in Minneapolis.
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I'm betting the others will be, and very soon.
They need to be. They are accomplices.
The charges may be increased as evidence continues to pour in. I still think 2nd degree Murder is the most appropriate as per Minnesota State Law.
In addition, Barr will most likely be adding federal charges either at the same time, or after Minnesota deals with this.
It is GOOD that this thug in a uniform is now incarcerated. He is a pox on society, and especially the police whose uniform and reputation he has besmirched.
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By Tim Sullivan and Amy Amy Forliti
https://apnews.com/e27cfce9464809aa8c91afd74c930bb5?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=AP&utm_campaign=SocialFlow
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Side note, in Reason: Even Police Unions Trash the Actions of the Cop Who Killed George Floyd (https://reason.com/2020/05/29/even-police-unions-trash-the-actions-of-the-cop-who-killed-george-floyd/)
I've seen that numerous police officers have condemned this killing. They are trained to do the opposite of what Chauvin did, and no officer with a conscience would do anything but condemn him.
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The cop pinning George Floyd's neck with his knee may not be the sole cause of George's death. It was most likely caused, or at least contributed, by the weight of the 2 cops that were on George's back. That was probably why he couldn't breathe. All 3 of them should have been arrested.
Just released the autopsy report:
No physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulationâ€...combination of force & health problems contributed to death.
Might be hard to get a murder charge with that if you can't prove he died from the force?
:shrug:
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Yesterday, supposedly it was reported that there was evidence of no criminal wrongdoing. Where is that evidence??
Who said that? There is ample evidence in the video alone that Floyd was unconscious and Chauvin continued to keep his knee on his neck, and that Floyd was handcuffed and not resisting.
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Who said that?
Wasn't it the DA?
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-the officer in question had several prior questionable incidents?
Fairly common. My son had fourteen actions brought against him. Fourteen. All disproved/frivolous...
What saved him every time was the tape. I always thought it a burden that he was on tape all the time... But he is happy to have it.
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And if they don't hang him high by tomorrow there will be no peace. The he!! with due process.
The original protesters from the neighborhood are already participating in clean-up teams to try to restore their community.
The anarchists who are the real destructive rioters may not settle down, but I would be shocked if this arrest doesn't help calm things down.
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Wasn't it the DA?
Don't know. I never heard that.
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-The guy was down, handcuffed, knee on neck, crying out, multiple officers standing by, and none of them intervene?
-the officer in question had several prior questionable incidents?
12 of them. He should have been sitting at a desk at least.
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Who said that? There is ample evidence in the video alone that Floyd was unconscious and Chauvin continued to keep his knee on his neck, and that Floyd was handcuffed and not resisting.
Prosecutors warn there is 'evidence that does not support criminal charge' in case of four cops accused of killing George Floyd
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8367221/Prosecutors-warn-evidence-does-not-support-criminal-charge-George-Floyds-killing.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8367221/Prosecutors-warn-evidence-does-not-support-criminal-charge-George-Floyds-killing.html)
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That won't placate the mob. Nothing less than a death penalty case will do.
MY thougts exactly.
From MN statutes...
609.195 - MURDER IN THE THIRD DEGREE. (a) Whoever, without intent to effect the death of any person, causes the death of another by perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life, is guilty of murder in the third degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 25 years.
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Fairly common. My son had fourteen actions brought against him. Fourteen. All disproved/frivolous...
What saved him every time was the tape. I always thought it a burden that he was on tape all the time... But he is happy to have it.
What is your judgment on this incident in the videos in the news?
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Prosecutors warn there is 'evidence that does not support criminal charge' in case of four cops accused of killing George Floyd
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8367221/Prosecutors-warn-evidence-does-not-support-criminal-charge-George-Floyds-killing.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8367221/Prosecutors-warn-evidence-does-not-support-criminal-charge-George-Floyds-killing.html)
Ah............ so not anything definitive (obviously), but a warning in case people might be disappointed.
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No physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulationâ€...combination of force & health problems contributed to death.
I posted on another thread a story about the 911 call, which indicated Mr. Floyd was extremely intoxicated at the time. That may be a contributing factor.
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I posted on another thread a story about the 911 call, which indicated Mr. Floyd was extremely intoxicated at the time. That may be a contributing factor.
We once had a unfortuante event nearby where a black gentleman died while being brough into custody on a traffic stop. There was outrage, and even the New Black Panther Party came for a protest. It all kind of simmered down after the TOX screening indicated he had enough drugs in his system to kill 3 people.
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What is your judgment on this incident in the videos in the news?
I honestly don't know.
How does one get from being treated normally in an arrest to being balled up against a squad car with 4 cops sitting on ya? That don't make no sense. Something else happened.
I said early on that neck hold does not cause asphyxia, having been in that exact position twice. Hurts like the devil if they want it to, but it won't cut off your air... I know that's right, and it sounds like the autopsy proved it...
I also said I figured there was a heart episode or something, more likely the cause of his inability to breath... Autopsy implicates health issues...
Would expect the cops to ignore pleas from a struggling perp.... such whining is very common, and like I said, the cop knew he wasn't cutting off his air. Likely why no aid was rendered.
Don't know what more to make of it.
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I honestly don't know.
How does one get from being treated normally in an arrest to being balled up against a squad car with 4 cops sitting on ya? That don't make no sense. Something else happened.
In Heimlich Red Cross training, don't they determine that one of the first choking signs is vicitm is unable to speak? Think about it, a choking person can not expusle his lungs, as there is an obstruction between lungs/trachea and vocal cords.
If this individual was communicating, how was he choking? Not defending this action at all. Just wondering.
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In Heimlich Red Cross training, don't they determine that one of the first choking signs is vicitm is unable to speak? Think about it, a choking person can not expusle his lungs, as there is an obstruction between lungs/trachea and vocal cords.
If this individual was communicating, how was he choking? Not defending this action at all. Just wondering.
Right... And I commented on that exactly already... I know it looks awful, but LEOs are trained to administer pain and restrain folks without injury as much as is possible. That ain't to say they will not beat you silly if it gets that far, or whip your ass with an asp... But none of that happened here.
I doubt they will find much for injury on the feller. This was a swarm and constrain tactic, with pain-hold application to persuade compliance... Kinda like twitchin a horse... less like a bull-prod.
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Here's a pdf of the criminal complaint filed against the Chauvin: https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/6933246/Derek-Chauvin-Complaint.pdf
Some snippets: Officers Kueng and Lane stood Mr. Floyd up and attempted to walk Mr. Floyd to their squad car (MPD 320)at 8:14 p.m. Mr. Floyd stiffened up, fell to the ground, and told the officers he was claustrophobic. ...
The officers made several attempts to get Mr. Floyd in the backseat of squad 320 from the driver’s side.Mr. Floyd did not voluntarily get in the car and struggled with the officers by intentionally falling down, sayinghe was not going in the car, and refusing to stand still. Mr. Floyd is over six feet tall and weighs more than200 pounds. While standing outside the car, Mr. Floyd began saying and repeating that he could not breathe. ...
The fullreport of the ME is pending but the ME has made the following preliminary findings. The autopsy revealed no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation. Mr. Floyd had underlying health conditions including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease. The combined effects of Mr. Floyd being restrained by the police, his underlying health conditions and any potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death. The defendant had his knee on Mr. Floyd’s neck for 8 minutes and 46 seconds in total. Two minutes and 53 seconds of this was after Mr. Floyd was non-responsive. Police are trained that this type of restraint with a subject in a prone position is inherently dangerous. ...
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It is GOOD that this thug in a uniform is now incarcerated. He is a pox on society, and especially the police whose uniform and reputation he has besmirched.
@musiclady
That spinning sound you hear is my paternal grandfather---a New York police officer (he retired the same year I was born)---in his grave. This would have sickened him.
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The whole 'Thug in a Uniform' thing...
A twenty year veteran of the force, a beat cop... with nothing but two reprimands in his jacket. All other complaints investigated and dismissed by IAD... Twice decorated, (city) Medal of Valor...
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@musiclady
That spinning sound you hear is my paternal grandfather---a New York police officer (he retired the same year I was born)---in his grave. This would have sickened him.
@EasyAce - this should sicken any honorable man. Any honorable human being.
Thinking of taking a break from here. The excuses are becoming too much...
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While standing outside the car, Mr. Floyd began saying and repeating that he could not breathe.
This is an interesting part of the preliminary report. What's the source of this info, I wonder, other than the same cops involved in the incident, who might have reported it in an effort to cover their own butts? Well, he already had trouble breathing, it had nothing to do with taking him to the ground and applying a knee to his neck ...
It would be interesting to find out whether anyone else heard this complaint while Floyd was still upright.
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Thinking of taking a break from here. The excuses are becoming too much...
Who is giving excuses? I think most everyone thinks this was excessive force. The only question is whether there were other circumstances that caused his death? Is getting all the facts in before making total judgement too much?
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Who is giving excuses? I think most everyone thinks this was excessive force. The only question is whether there were other circumstances that caused his death? Is getting all the facts in before making total judgement too much?
No. If that's all people are doing.
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No. If that's all people are doing.
Another thread has given autopsy results as likely a cardio-event. Even with that , I think he is going to have a tough time avoiding a Murder-3 charge. Which in most states consitutes Involuntary Manslaughter.
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Another thread has given autopsy results as likely a cardio-event. Even with that , I think he is going to have a tough time avoiding a Murder-3 charge. Which in most states consitutes Involuntary Manslaughter.
What's the typical sentence for murder-3? Because a light prison sentence might be round two for the riots at the trial.
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What's the typical sentence for murder-3? Because a light prison sentence might be round two for the riots at the trial.
From MN code....
609.195 MURDER IN THE THIRD DEGREE. (a) Whoever, without intent to effect the death of any person, causes the death of another by perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life, is guilty of murder in the third degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 25 years.
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2019 Minnesota Statutes
609.195 MURDER IN THE THIRD DEGREE.
(a) Whoever, without intent to effect the death of any person, causes the death of another by perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life, is guilty of murder in the third degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 25 years.
(b) Whoever, without intent to cause death, proximately causes the death of a human being by, directly or indirectly, unlawfully selling, giving away, bartering, delivering, exchanging, distributing, or administering a controlled substance classified in Schedule I or II, is guilty of murder in the third degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 25 years or to payment of a fine of not more than $40,000, or both.
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CNN:
A look at why ex-police officer Derek Chauvin is charged with third-degree murder
Nicole Chavez, associate writer CNN Digital
... Chauvin may have decided to kneel on Floyd's neck and ignored his pleas to breathe but prosecutors may not have believed those actions meant that he had any intention to kill.
At least not at this point, said CNN legal analyst Laura Coates, a former assistant US attorney for the District of Columbia.
"You're seeing the prosecutor's office, I think, looking at the fact that this was a police officer," Coates said. "What a reasonable police officer would have done, but also, whether this officer intended to get up this morning or have that interaction with Mr. George Floyd and cause his death."
The higher murder charges in Minnesota require that a person plans and willingly carries a killing or has the intention to kill in the spur of the moment. ...
Prosecutors appear to believe Chauvin's actions were unintentional but the law still recognize them as a crime, Coates said.
For the third-degree murder charge, prosecutors will have to prove something called depraved indifference. ...
More (https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/29/us/derek-chauvin-third-degree-murder/index.html)
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CNN:More (https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/29/us/derek-chauvin-third-degree-murder/index.html)
Anything less than Murder 1 conviction will be an invitation for the rioting pukes to start Mayhem Part II.
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Anything less than Murder 1 conviction will be an invitation for the rioting pukes to start Mayhem Part II.
That's what I meant by my first comment upthread. Those who demand the death penalty lack a certain understanding of the law. If the charges filed by the prosecutor don't actually fit the facts - especially the findings of the medical examiner - then the bad guy won't get any jail time at all. We've seen only preliminary findings - let's wait for the full autopsy report. It is possible to upgrade the charges if the evidence supports it.
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What's the typical sentence for murder-3? Because a light prison sentence might be round two for the riots at the trial.
You mean Rodney King officer sentencing--1992.
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I don't think anyone, including me, is arguing the actions of the police officer(s) did not contribute to Floyd's death. They did---and a legal price should, and will, be paid.
But this doesn't mean we can't or shouldn't ask questions.
For instance, I would like to know if there's additional video we've not seen and what MN officers are trained to do in such situations. Does training and policy require officers to cease activities and request immediate medical intervention? Does training and policy include something along the lines of "if they're talking, they're breathing"? (If asked to guess,--and it's only a guess--I would say "I can't breathe" would be a fairly common response in arrest situations.)
If these were rogue cops, acting outside training and policy, then throw the full weight of the law and punishment at them. If they were not, then both should be adjusted accordingly and changes/clarifications in police procedures need to implemented (nationwide).
My two cents. :shrug:
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We expect a lot from the cops. It is a tough job.
I know some retired LEOs. LAPD, OC Sherriff, Calif. Highway Patrol, US Secret Service.
Neighbors, friends, relatives, running buddies, guys in Alcoholics Anonymous.
My wife and I know families of two officer involved deaths.
In Fullerton , mCA metally ill Kelly Thomas died at the hands of police. Kelly's own father was former LEO.
I'm certain none of the cops wake up and say "I'mm gonna kill somebody today."
I'm sad again, for my country. I try to have empathy for all sides involved.
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I don't think anyone, including me, is arguing the actions of the police officer(s) did not contribute to Floyd's death. They did---and a legal price should, and will, be paid.
But this doesn't mean we can't or shouldn't ask questions.
For instance, I would like to know if there's additional video we've not seen and what MN officers are trained to do in such situations. Does training and policy require officers to cease activities and request immediate medical intervention? Does training and policy include something along the lines of "if they're talking, they're breathing"? (If asked to guess,--and it's only a guess--I would say "I can't breathe" would be a fairly common response in arrest situations.)
If these were rogue cops, acting outside training and policy, then throw the full weight of the law and punishment at them. If they were not, then both should be adjusted accordingly and changes/clarifications in police procedures need to implemented (nationwide).
My two cents. :shrug:
I have heard LEO's on Fox say that this move to put knee on the neck to pin a suspect down is never taught or allowed.
Well, as an avid watcher of Live PD I have seen this move several times used by police across the country while trying to cuff the suspect.
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Not that it matters to anyone, but the vast majority of people who have been arrested are from out of state, and many are white.
Not that it matters......
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Not that it matters to anyone, but the vast majority of people who have been arrested are from out of state, and many are white.
Not that it matters......
My guesstimate... Dot No 1 Antifa, Dot No. 2. soros, Dot 3. Misc. other dim slush organizations.
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Not that it matters to anyone, but the vast majority of people who have been arrested are from out of state, and many are white.
Not that it matters......
I mentioned that on the "All hell is breaking loose" thread, that the (black) mayor of St. Paul said arrestees were from out of state. Myst also started a thread on what the St. Paul mayor said.
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Who is giving excuses? I think most everyone thinks this was excessive force. The only question is whether there were other circumstances that caused his death? Is getting all the facts in before making total judgement too much?
I don't think it was excessive force.
I am also informed by Chauvin's long service to his oath and accommodations
And the archaic idea that a man is innocent until proven guilty.
I am not so quick to throw the guy to the dogs. Primarily because that is what the media wants me to do.
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I don't think it was excessive force.
I am also informed by Chauvin's long service to his oath and accommodations
And the archaic idea that a man is innocent until proven guilty.
I am not so quick to throw the guy to the dogs. Primarily because that is what the media wants me to do.
And Chauvin will get his trial.
Problem is, Floyd won't, and many believe the cop was already punishing him BEFORE his trial.
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And Chauvin will get his trial.
Problem is, Floyd won't, and many believe the cop was already punishing him BEFORE his trial.
I believe their belief is born of ignorance. There was nothing unusual in that bust except the failure to render aid. And I have that on the authority of two cops, and my own experience.
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I don't think it was excessive force.
I am also informed by Chauvin's long service to his oath and accommodations
And the archaic idea that a man is innocent until proven guilty.
I am not so quick to throw the guy to the dogs. Primarily because that is what the media wants me to do.
Wouldn't a tase been better option. I have never been arrested, but the thought of someone's knee on my throat doesn't sound appealling or a humane way to apprehend a suspect. How about you?
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Wouldn't a tase been better option.
Here's a first-hand account on being tasered.
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3uOob5sLOM#)
As to this case, he didn't need to be tasered. He was already down. Just put the cuffs on him and toss him in the back of the patrol car.
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Wouldn't a tase been better option. I have never been arrested, but the thought of someone's knee on my throat doesn't sound appealling or a humane way to apprehend a suspect. How about you?
Well he was exhibiting health problems, so a taser would not be applied, for fear of heart failure.
The swarm tactic is specifically to use less force. It works well.
The knee on the neck is a standard thing. That happens just about any time there is a takedown to ground. And I have experienced it first hand, twice... It does not cut off your air. It can hurt like hell, but also doesn't have to.
In the LEO bag of tricks, that swarm and pin tactic is not only about as humane as it gets, it is also very effective. So I don't see the problem.
I also find it worth a little snicker that you consider 'humane and appealing' the priority in a takedown. Jussayin.
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And btw... just for sh*ts and giggles... I don't know a single damn person that would rather be tazed than taken down without it.
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And btw... just for sh*ts and giggles... I don't know a single damn person that would rather be tazed than taken down without it.
Correct. Take it from this guy. If you have a choice between getting your ass whipped by the police or getting tazed, go ahead and take that ass whoopin'.
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NXciiSH8g0#)
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As to this case, he didn't need to be tasered. He was already down. Just put the cuffs on him and toss him in the back of the patrol car.
He was down. He didn't need a knee on his neck. He wasn't resisting at all.
I still would like to know whether it's true that while he was still standing he complained of not being able to breathe, as the preliminary medical report indicated.
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Correct. Take it from this guy. If you have a choice between getting your ass whipped by the police or getting tazed, go ahead and take that ass whoopin'.
That's the fact, Jack. Don't taze me bro.
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He was down. He didn't need a knee on his neck. He wasn't resisting at all.
I still would like to know whether it's true that while he was still standing he complained of not being able to breathe, as the preliminary medical report indicated.
There wasn't pressure on that knee. He was not in pain. And if that cop wanted him to be in pain, hoo-boy, but they can.
Yes, he was complaining before they took him down... The called an ambulance for him right off the get-go. He resisted going into the car, standard takedown to get him under control. The neck hold is to keep him from getting up...