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General Category => National/Breaking News => Topic started by: EdinVA on May 28, 2020, 02:01:02 pm
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The Minneapolis police officer videotaped pinning George Floyd to the ground (https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-05-27/swift-firings-for-minneapolis-officers-in-death-of-black-man) with his knee during an arrest has become the target of false claims on social media that attempt to tie him to political agendas and racist ideologies.
Twitter and Facebook posts with hundreds of thousands of views Wednesday claimed that Officer Derek Chauvin was pictured wearing a “Make Whites Great Again†hat and standing onstage at a rally for President Trump last fall (https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2019-10-10/trump-minneapolis-rally-roils-critics), neither of which turned out to be true.
https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-05-28/false-news-swirls-around-minneapolis-officer-george-floyd-arrest (https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-05-28/false-news-swirls-around-minneapolis-officer-george-floyd-arrest)
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Libs are trying to use this to bludgeon Trump.
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Libs are trying to use this to bludgeon Trump.
But that doesn't change the fact that what happened to Floyd was absolutely horrific.
The murder happened near where our nephew lives and the rioting is going on in neighborhoods where several other relatives presently live.
It shouldn't be made political from either side...... but both sides will surely do it. **nononono*
Praying for calm and for the safety of innocent people in the beautiful South Minneapolis neighborhoods.
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But that doesn't change the fact that what happened to Floyd was absolutely horrific.
The murder happened near where our nephew lives and the rioting is going on in neighborhoods where several other relatives presently live.
It shouldn't be made political from either side...... but both sides will surely do it. **nononono*
Praying for calm and for the safety of innocent people in the beautiful South Minneapolis neighborhoods.
Murder? Evidence?
True the police were rough but murder is a stretch at this point.
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Murder? Evidence?
True the police were rough but murder is a stretch at this point.
I guess it's a matter of perspective, but it's clear that he was begging for his life because he couldn't breathe, and his life is now ended.
Use your own word for that. I have used mine.
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The Watts Riots were 55 years ago this summer(Aug-65). 34 dead.
Started with a police incident, pulling a driver over for reckless driving.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watts_riots.
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What's the difference between homicide, murder and manslaughter?
https://murphylawoffice.org/john-murphy-law-office-blog/77-what-s-the-difference-between-homicide-murder-and-manslaughter.html (https://murphylawoffice.org/john-murphy-law-office-blog/77-what-s-the-difference-between-homicide-murder-and-manslaughter.html)
Most people equate premeditation with long term planning. However, in most criminal codes premeditation doesn’t mean that the killing was planned for weeks or days. Premeditation often is defined as any planning or design to cause the death before the act of killing occurred. Second degree murder usually includes all intentional killings that are not premeditated, and some killings that resulted from conduct so reckless it showed a grave indifference to the sanctity of human life or the welfare of others.
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What's the difference between homicide, murder and manslaughter?
https://murphylawoffice.org/john-murphy-law-office-blog/77-what-s-the-difference-between-homicide-murder-and-manslaughter.html (https://murphylawoffice.org/john-murphy-law-office-blog/77-what-s-the-difference-between-homicide-murder-and-manslaughter.html)
Thanks for that, Elderberry.
There was no concern for the sanctity of life here. The man was pleading for his life and it was taken from him.
For a petty non-violent crime, already handcuffed, no threat.
Every police officer in the country should come down on the same side and want this guy gone.
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When Snopes debunks Hate-Trump attacks ...
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/police-minnesota-trump-rally/ (https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/police-minnesota-trump-rally/)
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/make-whites-great-again-hat/ (https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/make-whites-great-again-hat/)
... cue the Fake-But-True narrative, :silly: .
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I guess it's a matter of perspective, but it's clear that he was begging for his life because he couldn't breathe, and his life is now ended.
Use your own word for that. I have used mine.
@musiclady
murder[ mur-der ]
noun
Law. the killing of another human being under conditions specifically covered in law. In the U.S., special statutory definitions include murder committed with malice aforethought, characterized by deliberation or premeditation or occurring during the commission of another serious crime, as robbery or arson (first-degree murder, ormurder one), and murder by intent but without deliberation or premeditation (second-degree murder, ormurder two).
manslaughter[ man-slaw-ter ]
noun
Law. the unlawful killing of a human being without malice aforethought.
the killing of a human being by another; homicide.
Words mean things, given the above definitions, which do you think applie?
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See Elderberry’s post above with the definition of second degree murder.
It applies.
Since there will be no decision made until these officers are tried and convicted, Lord willing, for this man’s death, it’s merely a meaningless debate at this point.
I used the word I meant because words mean things.
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@musiclady
murder[ mur-der ] noun
Law. the killing of another human being under conditions specifically covered in law. In the U.S., special statutory definitions include murder committed with malice aforethought, characterized by deliberation or premeditation or occurring during the commission of another serious crime, as robbery or arson (first-degree murder, ormurder one), and murder by intent but without deliberation or premeditation (second-degree murder, ormurder two).
manslaughter[ man-slaw-ter ] noun
Law. the unlawful killing of a human being without malice aforethought.
the killing of a human being by another; homicide.
Words mean things, given the above definitions, which do you think applie?
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If you choose to play legal aide that's your choice but that doesn't
require the rest of us to park our brains in the sub-basement.
Officer Derek Chauvin clearly pinned down a handcuffed George Floyd
w/his knee while Floyd was blocked by a tire.
The Press report that Chauvin has been involved in similar behavior
w/defendants at least 10X during his 19 year career w/o any discipline.
No wonder the Police Chief fired him instantly!!!
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The Unacceptably Unjust Death of George Floyd (https://www.heritage.org/crime-and-justice/commentary/the-unacceptably-unjust-death-george-floyd)
@verga
I posted this elsewhere, but it's relevant here as well.
The Heritage Foundation's assessment based on evidence now available is that this was second degree murder.
Obviously there will need to be a trial after charges are filed and all the evidence is in, but calling this death murder is not a stretch from their perspective nor mine.
I chose the word carefully and deliberately, and still mean it.
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If you choose to play legal aide that's your choice but that doesn't
require the rest of us to park our brains in the sub-basement.
Officer Derek Chauvin clearly pinned down a handcuffed George Floyd
w/his knee while Floyd was blocked by a tire.
The Press report that Chauvin has been involved in similar behavior
w/defendants at least 10X during his 19 year career w/o any discipline.
No wonder the Police Chief fired him instantly!!!
@Absalom So your idea is to overcharge him and get any conviction thrown out on a technicality. Good plan.
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The Unacceptably Unjust Death of George Floyd (https://www.heritage.org/crime-and-justice/commentary/the-unacceptably-unjust-death-george-floyd)
@verga
I posted this elsewhere, but it's relevant here as well.
The Heritage Foundation's assessment based on evidence now available is that this was second degree murder.
Obviously there will need to be a trial after charges are filed and all the evidence is in, but calling this death murder is not a stretch from their perspective nor mine.
I chose the word carefully and deliberately, and still mean it.
You said "murder" you did not say "Second degree Murder" There is a distinct difference. Words still mean things.
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Twitter: No Warning on Misleading Viral Photo of Minneapolis Cop at Trump Rally
(https://media.breitbart.com/media/2020/05/minneapolis-officer-trump-rally-ap-640x480.jpg)
Minneapolis Police Union President Lt. Bob Kroll confirmed on Wednesday that Derek Chauvin — the officer caught on tape resting his full weight on Minnesota man George Floyd’s neck shortly before he died — was not on stage at an October campaign rally held by President Donald Trump.
more
https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2020/05/28/twitter-no-warning-on-misleading-viral-photo-of-minneapolis-cop-at-trump-rally/ (https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2020/05/28/twitter-no-warning-on-misleading-viral-photo-of-minneapolis-cop-at-trump-rally/)
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I apologize for the link because ...
The Daily Mail Is The Worst site on the entire internet for page loading!
It has the Filthiest, most Cluttered Ad pages in the Digital Universe! 9999hair out0000
Prosecutors warn there is evidence that does not support criminal charge in George Floyd killing
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8367221/Prosecutors-warn-evidence-does-not-support-criminal-charge-George-Floyds-killing.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8367221/Prosecutors-warn-evidence-does-not-support-criminal-charge-George-Floyds-killing.html)
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You said "murder" you did not say "Second degree Murder" There is a distinct difference. Words still mean things.
Oh, for goodness sake. *****rollingeyes*****
Second degree murder IS murder. (See the word "murder" there?? **nononono*)
Now no more dopey arguments, kay??
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@Absalom So your idea is to overcharge him and get any conviction thrown out on a technicality. Good plan.
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The fundamental underpinning for justice is to change behavior from bad to good, per societal norms.
Punishments and rewards are results.
The rioters have now burned down the Police Barracks in Minneapolis.
Er...........should society now wait till they burn down the city before taking action??????
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mr. close wrote:
"The Daily Mail Is The Worst site on the entire internet for page loading!
It has the Filthiest, most Cluttered Ad pages in the Digital Universe!"
This is quickly remedied.
Just TURN OFF JAVASCRIPT, then reload the page.
All that crap miraculously vanishes!
In fact, once you do this, the Daily Mail page becomes very readable...
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mr. close wrote:
"The Daily Mail Is The Worst site on the entire internet for page loading!
It has the Filthiest, most Cluttered Ad pages in the Digital Universe!"
This is quickly remedied.
Just TURN OFF JAVASCRIPT, then reload the page.
All that crap miraculously vanishes!
In fact, once you do this, the Daily Mail page becomes very readable...
@Fishrrman
Thanks.
I have an ad blocker that works on everything except them!
Now ... How do I turn off JavaScript? lol
Just kidding!
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I guess it's a matter of perspective, but it's clear that he was begging for his life because he couldn't breathe, and his life is now ended.
Use your own word for that. I have used mine.
Yeah, its pretty clear. And the other officer was standing there with his hands in his pockets watching.
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Twitter: No Warning on Misleading Viral Photo of Minneapolis Cop at Trump Rally
(https://media.breitbart.com/media/2020/05/minneapolis-officer-trump-rally-ap-640x480.jpg)
Minneapolis Police Union President Lt. Bob Kroll confirmed on Wednesday that Derek Chauvin — the officer caught on tape resting his full weight on Minnesota man George Floyd’s neck shortly before he died — was not on stage at an October campaign rally held by President Donald Trump.
more
https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2020/05/28/twitter-no-warning-on-misleading-viral-photo-of-minneapolis-cop-at-trump-rally/ (https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2020/05/28/twitter-no-warning-on-misleading-viral-photo-of-minneapolis-cop-at-trump-rally/)
Well I have to hand it to our liberal news. They discussed this and said it was all false.
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The fundamental underpinning for justice is to change behavior from bad to good, per societal norms.
Punishments and rewards are results.
The rioters have now burned down the Police Barracks in Minneapolis.
Er...........should society now wait till they burn down the city before taking action??????
Nice use of the logical fallacies of the non sequitur and red herrings. How about answering the question.
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Well I have to hand it to our liberal news. They discussed this and said it was all false.
That's nice. The Snopes articles linked in this post, http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,403386.msg2218844.html#msg2218844 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,403386.msg2218844.html#msg2218844) , gives at least some source(s) for that and a similar false claim. This article, where I found the Snopes links, https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margolis/2020/05/28/no-minneapolis-police-officer-derek-chauvin-was-not-photographed-at-a-trump-rally-n437781 (https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margolis/2020/05/28/no-minneapolis-police-officer-derek-chauvin-was-not-photographed-at-a-trump-rally-n437781) , gives examples of media people who Tweeted the false claims. The PJMedia gives links to those Tweets, which are still on Twitter, plus or minus one that may have been taken private. A couple of the Tweets have the "warning" "Manipulated Media", but do not inform viewers that the meme is simply false.
This ABC article suggests that the Minneapolis police union president went to AP before the viral Twitter and FB falsehoods crossed over into "news" media reports, but I wonder whether some MSM types bit on the falsehoods. Anything on this in NewsBusters video archive, @pjcomix?
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But that doesn't change the fact that what happened to Floyd was absolutely horrific.
The murder happened near where our nephew lives and the rioting is going on in neighborhoods where several other relatives presently live.
It shouldn't be made political from either side...... but both sides will surely do it. **nononono*
Praying for calm and for the safety of innocent people in the beautiful South Minneapolis neighborhoods.
The "murder"? Isn't that a little hasty? I'll admit it looks bad for the officer, but I'd put off claiming murder until all the facts are in.
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Nice use of the logical fallacies of the non sequitur and red herrings. How about answering the question.
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George Floyd is dead because Chauvin stopped him from breathing w/his body weight.
The Minneapolis Precinct was burned to the ground because the Police abandoned it to rioters.
Much of the City has been overrun and destroyed by arsonists and burglars.
Two plus two equals four.
Work from the bottom up, then after you master 2+2=4, you might be ready for some reality?
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George Floyd is dead because Chauvin stopped him from breathing w/his body weight.
The Minneapolis Precinct was burned to the ground because the Police abandoned it to rioters.
Much of the City has been overrun and destroyed by arsonists and burglars.
Two plus two equals four.
Work from the bottom up, then after you master 2+2=4, you might be ready for some reality?
@Absalom "So your idea is to overcharge him and get any conviction thrown out on a technicality. Good plan."
But you still did not answer the question and you are still using the same two logical fallacies. Like I said "Good Plan"
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George Floyd is dead because Chauvin stopped him from breathing w/his body weight.
George Floyd is dead because Democrat officials repeatedly gave Chauvin a free pass on police misconduct. One of these officials is a US Senator and potential VP nominee.
Democrats need to own this.
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George Floyd is dead because Chauvin stopped him from breathing w/his body weight.
No, he is not.
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George Floyd is dead because Democrat officials repeatedly gave Chauvin a free pass on police misconduct. One of these officials is a US Senator and potential VP nominee.
Democrats need to own this.
That is not true either.
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Derek Chauvin had 16 complaints made against him that were closed with 'no discipline.' A former member of the police review board says that's proof of a broken system.
Haven Orecchio-Egresitz | 2 days ago
During the 20 years that preceded Minneapolis Officer Derek Chauvin's killing of George Floyd, 18 complaints of misconduct had already been filed against him.
Two of the complaints resulted in a "letter of reprimand," but the 16 others had no repercussions at all — and none of their contents have been released to the public.
The apparent lack of accountability and transparency in the handling of prior issues with Chauvin has raised a question: What is even the point of the city's' Police Conduct Review board?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/derek-chauvin-had-16-complaints-made-against-him-that-were-closed-with-no-discipline-a-former-member-of-the-police-review-board-says-thats-proof-of-a-broken-system/ar-BB14Muq3 (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/derek-chauvin-had-16-complaints-made-against-him-that-were-closed-with-no-discipline-a-former-member-of-the-police-review-board-says-thats-proof-of-a-broken-system/ar-BB14Muq3)
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Derek Chauvin had 16 complaints made against him that were closed with 'no discipline.' A former member of the police review board says that's proof of a broken system.
NONSENSE.
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The apparent lack of accountability and transparency in the handling of prior issues with Chauvin has raised a question: What is even the point of the city's' Police Conduct Review board?
I have known and worked with a number of police officers, State Police, County Sheriff's Deputies, and Town and City. The vast majority have been outstanding. And most of them have had complaints against them. And most of them have been dismissed as unfounded. The reason being that some people can be real D!CK$! Body and Dash cams have done alot to protect officers from frivolous complaints. YouTube is filled with videos of people making false claims and the police showing the real deal. Yes there are bad cops, just like there are bad Doctors, Lawyers, teachers, engineers, etc......
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I have known and worked with a number of police officers, State Police, County Sheriff's Deputies, and Town and City. The vast majority have been outstanding. And most of them have had complaints against them. And most of them have been dismissed as unfounded. The reason being that some people can be real D!CK$! Body and Dash cams have done alot to protect officers from frivolous complaints. YouTube is filled with videos of people making false claims and the police showing the real deal. Yes there are bad cops, just like there are bad Doctors, Lawyers, teachers, engineers, etc......
It also happens in the medical field.
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I have known and worked with a number of police officers, State Police, County Sheriff's Deputies, and Town and City. The vast majority have been outstanding. And most of them have had complaints against them. And most of them have been dismissed as unfounded. The reason being that some people can be real D!CK$! Body and Dash cams have done alot to protect officers from frivolous complaints. YouTube is filled with videos of people making false claims and the police showing the real deal. Yes there are bad cops, just like there are bad Doctors, Lawyers, teachers, engineers, etc......
That's right, and more to the point, consider what it takes for IAD to summarily dismiss a claim... There are lawyers lining up around the block, eager to start a civil suit against the county/city. Dismissing a frivolous claim means exactly that - there's no there there... Or the suit is inevitable.
So what you are left with is a 20 year veteran of the force with merely TWO letters of reprimand (the least form of punishment there is) and TWO medals of Valor in his jacket... Being accused of a most heinous abuse of his oath. Summarily fired and besmirched. That is unconscionable.
It should have been suspension and investigation... should have taken weeks to indict...
He;s being set up to be the bagholder... looks plain to me.
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I have known and worked with a number of police officers, State Police, County Sheriff's Deputies, and Town and City. The vast majority have been outstanding. And most of them have had complaints against them. And most of them have been dismissed as unfounded. The reason being that some people can be real D!CK$! Body and Dash cams have done alot to protect officers from frivolous complaints. YouTube is filled with videos of people making false claims and the police showing the real deal. Yes there are bad cops, just like there are bad Doctors, Lawyers, teachers, engineers, etc......
More people should watch LivePD....that might give them an idea of what leos contend with on a daily basis.
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More people should watch LivePD....that might give them an idea of what leos contend with on a daily basis.
:amen: :thumbsup: