The Briefing Room
General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: Free Vulcan on May 25, 2018, 08:04:08 pm
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The group has held three two-day gatherings outside San Francisco, New York and Washington, to which Ms. Pritzker and her political adviser invited 20 to 40 people per meeting. Gatherings have drawn influential Democratic operatives like Mr. Bassin and the Democracy Alliance founder Rob Stein. They have also attracted big-name Republican and conservative thinkers, writers and operatives including Mr. Taylor, the legal analyst Benjamin Wittes and the foreign policy hawks Mona Charen, David Frum, Robert Kagan, Mr. Kristol and Jennifer Rubin. Also attending were Mr. McMullin, who ran a long-shot independent conservative presidential campaign against Mr. Trump in 2016, and his running mate, Ms. Finn.
http://www.floppingaces.net/most-wanted/new-york-time-democrats-and-nevertrumpers-quietly-align-to-meet-scheme-ways-of-defeating-republicans/ (http://www.floppingaces.net/most-wanted/new-york-time-democrats-and-nevertrumpers-quietly-align-to-meet-scheme-ways-of-defeating-republicans/)
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Hmmm... strange bedfellows. Or are they? :pondering:
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clearly a symptom of President Trump's strength and popularity. / sarc
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clearly a symptom of President Trump's strength and popularity. / sarc
Your statement warrants no sarcasm, as it is quite simply true on its face. These folks are being forced to reveal their unholy alliance because Trump has them....the deep state AND the far Left...on their heels politically. The "institutions" they have spent decades warping into implements of anti-democratic rule...creating a sort of Oligarchic control intended to "guide" and "restrain" what they see as the erratic Petit Bourgeois tendencies of democracy...are coming unraveled.
The NT Republicans and the Leftists differ ideologically in some ways, but they agree that the nation should be governed by an educational elite who "know better" than the rest of the nation...they inherently do not believe in the wisdom of the Plebs. In fact, the mere prospect terrifies them. In their view, the simplistic Plebs should stand back as the Leftist elites do intellectual battle with the Rightist elites...and then simply accept the outcome of the struggle between their "betters".
So, they are rallying to one another to bring the still formidable resources of the tottering deep state...and they will use their primary weapons (a wildly liberal media establishment, their moles and allies in the letter agencies of government, and the vast funding that has always moved their agenda forward...from a range of Socialist elites across the globe) to retake the reins of government.
All my life I've scoffed at conspiracy theories...and rightly so for the most part. But one conspiracy holds true...and quite frankly has sought to influence and control modern democracy since it arose in England...and that is this coalition of intellectual elites and wealthy "nobility" seeking to mitigate and control the political power of the middle and lower classes (Honestly, you can see the same struggle going on in the Roman Republic as the Plebs and Patricians dueled for power...but I digress). These folks simply have been and still are brazenly pulling the strings in our intelligence agencies (at the highest levels, not the rank and file), in our media, in our universities, etcetera...and they are formidable. And NOW they are more dangerous than they've ever been....because they are genuinely afraid.
An outsider has somehow forced his way on to the throne and has enough support from the Plebs to actually govern in their interests...and our modern form of upper nobility, the Deep State if you will, is both furious and afraid. And they will do anything and everything to stop this man...they would wage nuclear war and burn this whole structure to the ground before the cede any of their hard earned "elite" place in society and governance to the riff-raff (us).
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Oh oh. Nothing good can come from this thread. Hey, I got a great pecan pie recipe!
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Assuming any of this is true.
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Your statement warrants no sarcasm, as it is quite simply true on its face. These folks are being forced to reveal their unholy alliance because Trump has them....the deep state AND the far Left...on their heels politically. The "institutions" they have spent decades warping into implements of anti-democratic rule...creating a sort of Oligarchic control intended to "guide" and "restrain" what they see as the erratic Petit Bourgeois tendencies of democracy...are coming unraveled.
The NT Republicans and the Leftists differ ideologically in some ways, but they agree that the nation should be governed by an educational elite who "know better" than the rest of the nation...they inherently do not believe in the wisdom of the Plebs. In fact, the mere prospect terrifies them. In their view, the simplistic Plebs should stand back as the Leftist elites do intellectual battle with the Rightist elites...and then simply accept the outcome of the struggle between their "betters".
So, they are rallying to one another to bring the still formidable resources of the tottering deep state...and they will use their primary weapons (a wildly liberal media establishment, their moles and allies in the letter agencies of government, and the vast funding that has always moved their agenda forward...from a range of Socialist elites across the globe) to retake the reins of government.
All my life I've scoffed at conspiracy theories...and rightly so for the most part. But one conspiracy holds true...and quite frankly has sought to influence and control modern democracy since it arose in England...and that is this coalition of intellectual elites and wealthy "nobility" seeking to mitigate and control the political power of the middle and lower classes (Honestly, you can see the same struggle going on in the Roman Republic as the Plebs and Patricians dueled for power...but I digress). These folks simply have been and still are brazenly pulling the strings in our intelligence agencies (at the highest levels, not the rank and file), in our media, in our universities, etcetera...and they are formidable. And NOW they are more dangerous than they've ever been....because they are genuinely afraid.
An outsider has somehow forced his way on to the throne and has enough support from the Plebs to actually govern in their interests...and our modern form of upper nobility, the Deep State if you will, is both furious and afraid. And they will do anything and everything to stop this man...they would wage nuclear war and burn this whole structure to the ground before the cede any of their hard earned "elite" place in society and governance to the riff-raff (us).
Excellent exposition! So glad you post here. You should do so much more. :patriot:
Incomplete sentence. Do so much more ‘often’. ^-^
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Fake news!
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I could never hate Trump enough to align with demonrats or the likes of Bill Kristol and the others.
With that being said......oh never mind....
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clearly a symptom of President Trump's strength and popularity. / sarc
Yes, thats why they're "quietly", not loudly, "aligning".
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But resist we much. We must, and we will much- about that- be committed...
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Something is to be said about lying down with dogs and getting fleas.
Then again, the only reason McMullin is even famous is because nobody else would step forward.
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Your statement warrants no sarcasm, as it is quite simply true on its face. These folks are being forced to reveal their unholy alliance because Trump has them....the deep state AND the far Left...on their heels politically. The "institutions" they have spent decades warping into implements of anti-democratic rule...creating a sort of Oligarchic control intended to "guide" and "restrain" what they see as the erratic Petit Bourgeois tendencies of democracy...are coming unraveled.
The NT Republicans and the Leftists differ ideologically in some ways, but they agree that the nation should be governed by an educational elite who "know better" than the rest of the nation...they inherently do not believe in the wisdom of the Plebs. In fact, the mere prospect terrifies them. In their view, the simplistic Plebs should stand back as the Leftist elites do intellectual battle with the Rightist elites...and then simply accept the outcome of the struggle between their "betters".
So, they are rallying to one another to bring the still formidable resources of the tottering deep state...and they will use their primary weapons (a wildly liberal media establishment, their moles and allies in the letter agencies of government, and the vast funding that has always moved their agenda forward...from a range of Socialist elites across the globe) to retake the reins of government.
All my life I've scoffed at conspiracy theories...and rightly so for the most part. But one conspiracy holds true...and quite frankly has sought to influence and control modern democracy since it arose in England...and that is this coalition of intellectual elites and wealthy "nobility" seeking to mitigate and control the political power of the middle and lower classes (Honestly, you can see the same struggle going on in the Roman Republic as the Plebs and Patricians dueled for power...but I digress). These folks simply have been and still are brazenly pulling the strings in our intelligence agencies (at the highest levels, not the rank and file), in our media, in our universities, etcetera...and they are formidable. And NOW they are more dangerous than they've ever been....because they are genuinely afraid.
An outsider has somehow forced his way on to the throne and has enough support from the Plebs to actually govern in their interests...and our modern form of upper nobility, the Deep State if you will, is both furious and afraid. And they will do anything and everything to stop this man...they would wage nuclear war and burn this whole structure to the ground before the cede any of their hard earned "elite" place in society and governance to the riff-raff (us).
What a great essay @Mesaclone. True in every way and, frankly, rather scary. Can our band of rag tags hold our ranks together and stand up against this polished machine?
I see contempt, even on our little site, for Trump and for the people who support him. Although, as Trump continues to attempt and also succeed in doing things we like, I think that contingent is getting weaker, both here and among the general public.
You see the arrogant thinking everywhere among the entertainment elites, for example. They've been shown time and again that the TV shows they push aren't making it with the public, and yet they cancel shows like Last Man Standing and push shows like Rise (which was so blatantly leftist that it had to be cancelled after one season.)
They just cannot believe that people don't want them to rule. But we don't.
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I could never hate Trump enough to align with demonrats or the likes of Bill Kristol and the others.
With that being said......oh never mind....
Thanks for that @corbe, but you do align somewhat with NT forces. That's okay as long as you remember the big picture. We need Trump right now.
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LOL. McMuffin is on the scene with a cabal of half wits, no wits and straight up morons. Priceless!
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Thanks for that @corbe, but you do align somewhat with NT forces. That's okay as long as you remember the big picture. We need Trump right now.
Thank you for that somewhat encouraging Ping @Emjay. If being a Conservative that opposes Populism in the Electorate brands me as a NT'er, I am guilty as Charged, your Honor, cuff me! (pretty please).....
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I could never hate Trump enough to align with demonrats or the likes of Bill Kristol and the others.
With that being said......oh never mind....
FOX News contributor Bill Kristol. Is Anne Coulter going too? Now that would be something. What difference most Republicans are Democrats anyway. We have seen the biggest issue with voters and the one that Trump strolled into the White House on illegal immigration continue without opposition from Republicans.
Well there have been a few things that have impressed me about Trump, but they are outweighed by inaction at the border.
I was also impressed by the Embassy move but not by King Cyrus.
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Thank you for that somewhat encouraging Ping @Emjay. If being a Conservative that opposes Populism in the Electorate brands me as a NT'er, I am guilty as Charged, your Honor, cuff me! (pretty please).....
@Emjay @corbe Also, it aligns with the ol' wellworn saw, the alleged Cruz supporters, often don't even support the views of Fred Cruz. People get flack just for being more aligned to Cruz than his alleged supporters.
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FOX News contributor Bill Kristol. Is Anne Coulter going too? Now that would be something. What difference most Republicans are Democrats anyway. We have seen the biggest issue with voters and the one that Trump strolled into the White House on illegal immigration continue without opposition from Republicans.
Well there have been a few things that have impressed me about Trump, but they are outweighed by inaction at the border.
I was also impressed by the Embassy move but not by King Cyrus.
@Chosen Daughter @corbe Did either of you read Mesaclone's post? The forces of evil are vast and powerful and the only person with his finger in the dike right now (no lame puns, please) is President Trump.
He somehow managed to motivate a placid electorate into action. He has somehow managed to stay more popular than ever in spite of lies by many people in power, maybe including the FBI.
Right now, I think we need to support Trump even if he offends our delicate sensibilities or does not get everything done by snapping his fingers.
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@Emjay @corbe Also, it aligns with the ol' wellworn saw, the alleged Cruz supporters, often don't even support the views of Fred Cruz. People get flack just for being more aligned to Cruz than his alleged supporters.
@TomSea Lots of coffee, Tom, drink it now, drink it black.
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Thank you for that somewhat encouraging Ping @Emjay. If being a Conservative that opposes Populism in the Electorate brands me as a NT'er, I am guilty as Charged, your Honor, cuff me! (pretty please).....
I won't cuff you, but you need to explain what you mean when you say you oppose Populism in the Electorate.
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I won't cuff you, but you need to explain what you mean when you say you oppose Populism in the Electorate.
To h3ll with the labels. I care about the results.
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@Chosen Daughter @corbe Did either of you read Mesaclone's post? The forces of evil are vast and powerful and the only person with his finger in the dike right now (no lame puns, please) is President Trump.
He somehow managed to motivate a placid electorate into action. He has somehow managed to stay more popular than ever in spite of lies by many people in power, maybe including the FBI.
Right now, I think we need to support Trump even if he offends our delicate sensibilities or does not get everything done by snapping his fingers.
I did read @Mesaclone's post @Emjay and it is a very interesting, enlightening viewpoint as I have come to expect from him. Below is another very popular person in American Culture (right now), who also means jack $hit to me. /JS
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@Emjay @corbe Also, it aligns with the ol' wellworn saw, the alleged Cruz supporters, often don't even support the views of Fred Cruz. People get flack just for being more aligned to Cruz than his alleged supporters.
Wait - Cruz? Why are you interjecting the honorable Ted Cruz into this conversation?
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I did read @Mesaclone's post @Emjay and it is a very interesting, enlightening viewpoint as I have come to expect from him. Below is another very popular person in American Culture (right now), who also means jack $hit to me. /JS
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I'm really starting to hate pictures. Why don't you people just buy a copy of Penthouse? Does Penthouse still exist or do people get enough semi-porn girls on the net?
Anyway, what do you mean about opposing populism in the electorate. I really want to know.
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I won't cuff you, but you need to explain what you mean when you say you oppose Populism in the Electorate.
Simply @Emjay telling anyone what they want to hear even if they are diametrically opposed to whatever principles you may/may not hold just to win votes, a personality trait inherent in most all Politicians.
William Jennings Bryan and the Kingfish, Huey P Long quickly come to my mind.
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Simply @Emjay telling anyone what they want to hear even if they are diametrically opposed to whatever principles you may/may not hold just to win votes, a personality trait inherent in most all Politicians.
William Jennings Bryan and the Kingfish, Huey P Long quickly come to my mind.
Yep, populism, as you've pointed out with that kardashian photo, is simply acting upon the will of the population. Things like the French Revolution vs. the American Revolution. The French one was based on populism, expressed by guillotine, and the American one was expressed by an agreed upon union based upon law as written in the Constitution.
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Simply @Emjay telling anyone what they want to hear even if they are diametrically opposed to whatever principles you may/may not hold just to win votes, a personality trait inherent in most all Politicians.
William Jennings Bryan and the Kingfish, Huey P Long quickly come to my mind.
That's not what I understand by the term Populism, @corbe. And who are you to judge the motives of people until they are elected and act? So far, Trump has acted most of the time in the way he campaigned. He is still bombastic and over the top, but he has done, or attempted to do, much of what he promised.
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@Emjay, I am not judging the motives of the 'typical' Trump voter I saw the same thing they did we just reached a different solution to the same problem IN THE PRIMARY'S, hellary was never the answer to be considered once we reached the General.
If Trump runs for reelection and has a chance of losing Texas's 38 electoral votes to a dem I will crawl across cut glass to deliver him my vote, otherwise I will vote my conscience as instructed by my Lover~Ted Cruz.
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bleep david frum. Hes a liberal. Check out his twitter. Writes for the atlantic.
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@Emjay, I am not judging the motives of the 'typical' Trump voter I saw the same thing they did we just reached a different solution to the same problem IN THE PRIMARY'S, hellary was never the answer to be considered once we reached the General.
If Trump runs for reelection and has a chance of losing Texas's 38 electoral votes to a dem I will crawl across cut glass to deliver him my vote, otherwise I will vote my conscience as instructed by my Lover~Ted Cruz.
I want Ted Cruz as well. It would be a dream come true to have him as President. But he won't run in 2020 if Trump decides to run and I think he will.
The democrats are desperate and throwing eggs at the basket like crazy. We needed to keep them in check for until 2024 at least because we need to put Obama and Hillary and all the bad guys in our rear view mirror.
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That's not what I understand by the term Populism, @corbe. And who are you to judge the motives of people until they are elected and act? So far, Trump has acted most of the time in the way he campaigned. He is still bombastic and over the top, but he has done, or attempted to do, much of what he promised.
No he hasn't. The two main things that fired up crowds at his rallies were "Lock Her Up!" and "Build The Wall!" of which neither have gone anywhere.
Trump made his intentions obvious on day one when his family was seated with the Clintons and Trump honored the Clintons presence at the Inauguration lunch. The second is obvious, no wall. The last I heard they want people to fund it.
He moved the Embassy but it was a religious promise to the Evangelical Zionists who have a end time agenda. I left the Evangelical Church for its phony prophetic idea's about Trump. Modern day King Cyrus who will bring about the building of the Third Temple. What a shame we won't be telling any Jews that Blessing them means telling them their God gave His only Son. The blessing, the seed.
http://www.news.com.au/world/middle-eastern-prophecy-is-trump-a-reincarnated-king-cyrus-destined-to-herald-the-end-of-days/news-story/8fce69eacebd929b482ee00c895f37dc (http://www.news.com.au/world/middle-eastern-prophecy-is-trump-a-reincarnated-king-cyrus-destined-to-herald-the-end-of-days/news-story/8fce69eacebd929b482ee00c895f37dc)
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I want Ted Cruz as well. It would be a dream come true to have him as President. But he won't run in 2020 if Trump decides to run and I think he will.
The democrats are desperate and throwing eggs at the basket like crazy. We needed to keep them in check for until 2024 at least because we need to put Obama and Hillary and all the bad guys in our rear view mirror.
If the time is not now, then when? Trump has acted as the canary in the coal mine and the toxic deep state has been flushed out. Now’s not the time to go wobbly.
(With apologies to Sir Winston Churchill)
we shall fight on the beaches (of Malibu),
we shall fight on the landing grounds (of JFK),
we shall fight in the fields (of Houston) and in the streets (of Detroit),
we shall fight in the hills (of Hollywood);
...but, damn it, we will fight!
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No he hasn't. The two main things that fired up crowds at his rallies were "Lock Her Up!" and "Build The Wall!" of which neither have gone anywhere.
These chants were certainly energizing, but so were "Drain the Swamp" and "CNN su*ks" :laugh: @Chosen Daughter
The holdup on the wall is coming from congress....which is why there will be a push from the WH to make this a central theme during the midterm campaigns. As for Hillary, I'm starting to think the best we can hope for is the moment when she is totally exposed for who and what she is---with proof even democrat voters can understand. I doubt we'll ever see a perp walk.
He moved the Embassy but it was a religious promise to the Evangelical Zionists who have a end time agenda. I left the Evangelical Church for its phony prophetic idea's about Trump. Modern day King Cyrus who will bring about the building of the Third Temple. What a shame we won't be telling any Jews that Blessing them means telling them their God gave His only Son. The blessing, the seed.
Interesting ... I'd not heard the second Cyrus stories. *****rollingeyes*****
FWIW, I would have preferred less Bible at the opening ceremony in Jerusalem. Rather, I thought the American speakers would have been promoting "every nation has the right to decide its capitol". :shrug:
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Thank you for that somewhat encouraging Ping @Emjay. If being a Conservative that opposes Populism in the Electorate brands me as a NT'er, I am guilty as Charged, your Honor, cuff me! (pretty please).....
So, you oppose "support for the concerns of ordinary people" and/or "the quality of appealing to or being aimed at ordinary people."?
That's the dictionary definition...at least two primary definitions.
Then there is this In his book on American populism, The Populist Persuasion, the historian Michael Kazin describes populism as “a language whose speakers conceive of ordinary people as a noble assemblage not bounded narrowly by class; view their elite opponents as self-serving and undemocratic; and seek to mobilise the former against the latter.[/i]â€
Kazin states our situation perfectly...the Noble Assemblage of the ordinary people vs a self proclaimed Elite who are self serving and undemocratic. In our current crisis, Populism is simply an uprising of the "ordinary" folks against the oppression of a bureaucratic government structure that is serving and being directed by elites....and those elites are coming from both parties. Layered on top of that, is liberal dominance of those "government structures", a fact that exacerbates the problem but is not its root.
Populism can be mob rule....or...it can be something more necessary, even noble. It is, in our current crisis, a people's way of saying "enough, we will not be ruled by bureau-tyrants any longer".
The "mob" version of populism, which we SHOULD all fear, is what Bernie Sanders was advocating...he would make government massive and synonymous with "the mob", essentially government would become an expression of mob rule. What the President's supporters are demanding is a reformation of the bureaucracy, and a general diminishment of its powers and scope...with a return of power to the local level whenever feasible.
A dose of conservative populism is a good thing Corbe...why would you be against that?
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No he hasn't. The two main things that fired up crowds at his rallies were "Lock Her Up!" and "Build The Wall!" of which neither have gone anywhere.
Trump made his intentions obvious on day one when his family was seated with the Clintons and Trump honored the Clintons presence at the Inauguration lunch. The second is obvious, no wall. The last I heard they want people to fund it.
He moved the Embassy but it was a religious promise to the Evangelical Zionists who have a end time agenda. I left the Evangelical Church for its phony prophetic idea's about Trump. Modern day King Cyrus who will bring about the building of the Third Temple. What a shame we won't be telling any Jews that Blessing them means telling them their God gave His only Son. The blessing, the seed.
http://www.news.com.au/world/middle-eastern-prophecy-is-trump-a-reincarnated-king-cyrus-destined-to-herald-the-end-of-days/news-story/8fce69eacebd929b482ee00c895f37dc (http://www.news.com.au/world/middle-eastern-prophecy-is-trump-a-reincarnated-king-cyrus-destined-to-herald-the-end-of-days/news-story/8fce69eacebd929b482ee00c895f37dc)
Please don't take offense, but you're judging the man in a deeply unfair manner. He doesn't have a magic wand nor can he exercise powers of mind control to force GOP members to vote for his programs.
He cannot make them vote for the wall...but has lobbied relentlessly for them to do so. In fact, he has been clear that he will sign no DACA or other immigration legislation unless it funds the wall. And he will keep that pledge. As for who pays for it...that's an accounting trick and a campaign slogan. He can say all money from tariff fees or border entrance fines is now dedicated to the wall construction...easy peasy. The real point is the man is fighting his ARSE off for the wall...but he can't fart out 51 votes, only the Senate can do that.
As for honoring the Clintons at the inauguration...not doing so would have been cheap and classless. The tone engendered by such a snub at an inaguration would have ruined would is meant to be a time of optimism and of bringing the country together. But it does NOT imply he isn't willing to enforce the law and prosecute IF and WHEN the FBI provides him with sufficient evidence to indict. Even the President must allow due process under the law...he can't simply order agents to go cuff Clinton and drag her in. If he did, he would be painted as a monster and likely impeached within weeks...so what you apparently want him to do is idiocy. Bringing Hillary to Justice will take many years...but the President will do ALL that is legally and ethically possible to apply justice to this woman.
A president is 1/3 of the government...Trump is more than doing his 1/3 on all these issues AND he is fighting via the bully pulpit to achieve his campaign goals. Perhaps if more Repubs were fighting with him, and not sniping about imperfections and looking for motes in his eye, we could achieve far more than we have.
Make no mistake, the man is reshaping the judiciary at all Federal levels...is rebuilding our national defense and the morale of our troops...and is waging war against the deep state. He of course will not acheive all of his goals nor even fulfill all of his promises...no president ever has...but he damn well will fight for these things until his last day in office.
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These chants were certainly energizing, but so were "Drain the Swamp" and "CNN su*ks" :laugh: @Chosen Daughter
The holdup on the wall is coming from congress....which is why there will be a push from the WH to make this a central theme during the midterm campaigns. As for Hillary, I'm starting to think the best we can hope for is the moment when she is totally exposed for who and what she is---with proof even democrat voters can understand. I doubt we'll ever see a perp walk.
Interesting ... I'd not heard the second Cyrus stories. *****rollingeyes*****
FWIW, I would have preferred less Bible at the opening ceremony in Jerusalem. Rather, I thought the American speakers would have been promoting "every nation has the right to decide its capitol". :shrug:
The Trumps and Clintons are good friends. As I said his daughter was seated with them and Trump made a grand announcement of honor for having them there. People were chanting but Trumps agenda was different than what he said.
What happened in Israel should be an eye opener to Constitutionalists. Trump is the King Cyrus of Evangelicals. It should have been an Embassy opening of "every nation has the right to decide its capitol" but it wasn't. It was a Hagee and Jeffress prophesy fulfilled operation. Even though Israel is practically a Sodom and Gomorrah with its most liberal in the world free abortions and gay pride. I think they need Jesus. But Israel isn't what people think. The percentage of Orthodox Jew is very small. Jewish people are split by secular and mildly Jewish. So all the God talk and prophesy is stupid. God blessed His people by sending His son. And as much as Hagee and Jeffress want to ignore the New Testament Evangelism to the Jews it will not change the Word of God. They are phonies.
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IDF Violates Trump Abortion Order, Should Forfeit $3.8-Billion Annual U.S. Aid
January 23, 2017 By Richard Silverstein —19 Comments
Pres. Trump reinstated an order barring foreign NGOs from receiving any U.S. foreign assistance if they perform any abortions as part of their service offerings.
Israel has one of the most liberal abortion policies in the world. Virtually all women may obtain abortions at any point in the pregnancy and the government covers the entire expense. This, in a country whose State religion, Orthodox Judaism, forbids abortion unless the mother’s life is in danger.
Israel’s liberalism on this issue has driven the anti-abortion hard-right a bit crazy, knowing that our government offers such huge amounts of aid to a country
thathttps://www.richardsilverstein.com/2017/01/23/idf-violates-trump-abortion-order-should-forfeit-3-8-billion-annual-u-s-aid/
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No he hasn't. The two main things that fired up crowds at his rallies were "Lock Her Up!" and "Build The Wall!" of which neither have gone anywhere.
Trump made his intentions obvious on day one when his family was seated with the Clintons and Trump honored the Clintons presence at the Inauguration lunch. The second is obvious, no wall. The last I heard they want people to fund it.
He moved the Embassy but it was a religious promise to the Evangelical Zionists who have a end time agenda. I left the Evangelical Church for its phony prophetic idea's about Trump. Modern day King Cyrus who will bring about the building of the Third Temple. What a shame we won't be telling any Jews that Blessing them means telling them their God gave His only Son. The blessing, the seed.
http://www.news.com.au/world/middle-eastern-prophecy-is-trump-a-reincarnated-king-cyrus-destined-to-herald-the-end-of-days/news-story/8fce69eacebd929b482ee00c895f37dc (http://www.news.com.au/world/middle-eastern-prophecy-is-trump-a-reincarnated-king-cyrus-destined-to-herald-the-end-of-days/news-story/8fce69eacebd929b482ee00c895f37dc)
Wow @Chosen Daughter ... well, our Savior was a Jew and you seem to be confused.
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Wow @Chosen Daughter ... well, our Savior was a Jew and you seem to be confused.
I am not confused you are. I know Jesus was a Jew. He is how to bless Israel. Not some Third Temple so that Satan can occupy it in 3 1/2 years. Building a Third Temple isn't what Jesus instructed us to do. That is for those who will fulfill the antichrist mission.
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Please don't take offense, but you're judging the man in a deeply unfair manner. He doesn't have a magic wand nor can he exercise powers of mind control to force GOP members to vote for his programs.
He cannot make them vote for the wall...but has lobbied relentlessly for them to do so. In fact, he has been clear that he will sign no DACA or other immigration legislation unless it funds the wall. And he will keep that pledge. As for who pays for it...that's an accounting trick and a campaign slogan. He can say all money from tariff fees or border entrance fines is now dedicated to the wall construction...easy peasy. The real point is the man is fighting his ARSE off for the wall...but he can't fart out 51 votes, only the Senate can do that.
As for honoring the Clintons at the inauguration...not doing so would have been cheap and classless. The tone engendered by such a snub at an inaguration would have ruined would is meant to be a time of optimism and of bringing the country together. But it does NOT imply he isn't willing to enforce the law and prosecute IF and WHEN the FBI provides him with sufficient evidence to indict. Even the President must allow due process under the law...he can't simply order agents to go cuff Clinton and drag her in. If he did, he would be painted as a monster and likely impeached within weeks...so what you apparently want him to do is idiocy. Bringing Hillary to Justice will take many years...but the President will do ALL that is legally and ethically possible to apply justice to this woman.
A president is 1/3 of the government...Trump is more than doing his 1/3 on all these issues AND he is fighting via the bully pulpit to achieve his campaign goals. Perhaps if more Repubs were fighting with him, and not sniping about imperfections and looking for motes in his eye, we could achieve far more than we have.
Make no mistake, the man is reshaping the judiciary at all Federal levels...is rebuilding our national defense and the morale of our troops...and is waging war against the deep state. He of course will not acheive all of his goals nor even fulfill all of his promises...no president ever has...but he damn well will fight for these things until his last day in office.
Well he made a declaration about all the immigration bills two days ago. At best he is saying he won't sign unless there is "real wall" improvements. We'll see but he said he wouldn't sign the bloated spending bill either but he did.
As for Hillary. They are friends and I think you know she will never be "locked up".
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So, you oppose "support for the concerns of ordinary people" and/or "the quality of appealing to or being aimed at ordinary people."?
That's the dictionary definition...at least two primary definitions.
Then there is this In his book on American populism, The Populist Persuasion, the historian Michael Kazin describes populism as “a language whose speakers conceive of ordinary people as a noble assemblage not bounded narrowly by class; view their elite opponents as self-serving and undemocratic; and seek to mobilise the former against the latter.[/i]â€
Kazin states our situation perfectly...the Noble Assemblage of the ordinary people vs a self proclaimed Elite who are self serving and undemocratic. In our current crisis, Populism is simply an uprising of the "ordinary" folks against the oppression of a bureaucratic government structure that is serving and being directed by elites....and those elites are coming from both parties. Layered on top of that, is liberal dominance of those "government structures", a fact that exacerbates the problem but is not its root.
Populism can be mob rule....or...it can be something more necessary, even noble. It is, in our current crisis, a people's way of saying "enough, we will not be ruled by bureau-tyrants any longer".
The "mob" version of populism, which we SHOULD all fear, is what Bernie Sanders was advocating...he would make government massive and synonymous with "the mob", essentially government would become an expression of mob rule. What the President's supporters are demanding is a reformation of the bureaucracy, and a general diminishment of its powers and scope...with a return of power to the local level whenever feasible.
A dose of conservative populism is a good thing Corbe...why would you be against that?
@Mesaclone perhaps my idea of Populism is to narrowly defined with my (ill defined) NTism, I would, without provocation, readily admit that.
The majority of the people (my entire clan included) saw a major problem with the establishment in Washington DC (as did the Tea party) but being the angry, agitated voters that they were their emotions and lack of patience replaced their logic and reasoning, I get that.
My philosophy evolved, as I was forced to thoroughly read up on the Man, after that infamous escalator ride in 2015, I came to believe that being a lifelong member of the NY (dare I say, Liberal) Establishment, he was not the chemo for the cancer that infected this Nation, just another bandaid.
I may appear, on TBR, to hold grudges against the ET/AT'ers but that is not true. In my Heart I want the Man to succeed for the Good of the Nation. It is what it is and that old saying about not changing horses in mid stream also makes a hell of a lot of sense to me.
*Now everyone understands why I rarely dwell beyond a sentence or two.....
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Well he made a declaration about all the immigration bills two days ago. At best he is saying he won't sign unless there is "real wall" improvements. We'll see but he said he wouldn't sign the bloated spending bill either but he did.
As for Hillary. They are friends and I think you know she will never be "locked up".
From the looks of her lately, I doubt she will live long enough to be locked up. She looks half dead already, and she is walking around in some kind of portable cocoon. There is something very wrong with her, physically and mentally.
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From the looks of her lately, I doubt she will live long enough to be locked up. She half dead already, and she is walking around in some kind of portable cocoon. There is something very wrong with her, physically and mentally.
Really? Do you have a link? Perhaps Bill and Hillary should have stayed away from the Voodoo.
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The forces of evil are vast and powerful and the only person with his finger in the dike right now (no lame puns, please) is President Trump.
What bullcrap.
If there is anything I truly hate about Tump and his supporters, it's messianic bullshit like this.
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@roamer_1 I emphasize
With all due respect to @Emjay, who I am not insinuating anything about, Trump doesn't bother me half as much as some of his fanatical followers, whom I deal with daily, not just here.
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@Mesaclone perhaps my idea of Populism is to narrowly defined with my (ill defined) NTism, I would, without provocation, readily admit that.
The majority of the people (my entire clan included) saw a major problem with the establishment in Washington DC (as did the Tea party) but being the angry, agitated voters that they were their emotions and lack of patience replaced their logic and reasoning, I get that.
My philosophy evolved, as I was forced to thoroughly read up on the Man, after that infamous escalator ride in 2015, I came to believe that being a lifelong member of the NY (dare I say, Liberal) Establishment, he was not the chemo for the cancer that infected this Nation, just another bandaid.
I may appear, on TBR, to hold grudges against the ET/AT'ers but that is not true. In my Heart I want the Man to succeed for the Good of the Nation. It is what it is and that old saying about not changing horses in mid stream also makes a hell of a lot of sense to me.
*Now everyone understands why I rarely dwell beyond a sentence or two.....
Well said Corbe, as always. Trust me, most of us on the pro-Trump side have all the concerns and reservations you have regarding the President...concerns about his personal character, his political ethics, his impulsiveness, and his penchant for foot in mouth. But for most of us those concerns are balanced, outweighed rather, by the fact that he gets in the mud pit and just plain fights for everything conservative.
I don’t see you as a NeverTrumper, for the record...and I frankly admire your skepticism and well thought out concerns. But I also see you giving credit where it’s due...for example, with regard to Trumps judicial appointments. That sort of reasoned criticism is diametrically different than the standard NT approach I see here all too often.
Thanks for your excellent reply. I still harbor hopes of converting you into a Trumpian Populist😀!
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@roamer_1 I emphasize
With all due respect to @Emjay, who I am not insinuating anything about, Trump doesn't bother me half as much as some of his fanatical followers, whom I deal with daily, not just here.
@corbe If it's not too personal, how do you deal with the people you call fanatical Trump followers in what we jokingly refer to as Real Life?
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What bullcrap.
If there is anything I truly hate about Tump and his supporters, it's messianic bullshit like this.
Thank you @roamer_1 for the thoughtful reply.
For the millionth time, I do not regard Trump as a messiah. I regard him as the only person right now who is keeping the evil forces out of the White House and out of running the country, as they feel is their due.
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@corbe If it's not too personal, how do you deal with the people you call fanatical Trump followers in what we jokingly refer to as Real Life?
I deal with Trumpers in my real life, Family included, as I do here, @Emjay, with respect and a lot of 'shaking my head'.
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I deal with Trumpers in my real life, Family included, as I do here, @Emjay, with respect and a lot of 'shaking my head'.
I know you have avid Trumpers in your family, corbe, and, frankly, I get a kick out of that.
I was just wondering if you had to associate with Trumpers in your job.
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Thank you @roamer_1 for the thoughtful reply.
For the millionth time, I do not regard Trump as a messiah. I regard him as the only person right now who is keeping the evil forces out of the White House and out of running the country, as they feel is their due.
@Emjay
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I know you have avid Trumpers in your family, corbe, and, frankly, I get a kick out of that.
I was just wondering if you had to associate with Trumpers in your job.
Absolutely @Emjay, though I'm mostly Retired, the few Customers I kept, all of my Family and my few Friends realize and accept my Trump 'apathy' and readily engage in political discussion all with mutual respect, same as here.
I would be the first to admit I have a lazy, fallback plan that delights me so ~ Troll the Trumpers, if I can get them to be as miserable as I am, I win!
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@Emjay
:bigsilly: :bigsilly: :bigsilly:
Obviously dimwittedness incapacitates the ability of people to recognize when they confirm something that they deny in the same sentence.
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Obviously dimwittedness incapacitates [...]
I don't consider @Emjay dimwitted. In days past, I have enjoyed her wit and her pique. Like most Trumpeteers, I consider her to be gravely deceived, and in the throes of a certain suspension of disbelief. :whistle:
[...] the ability of people to recognize when they confirm something that they deny in the same sentence.
That much is apparent on its face. Or so it seems to me.
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@Emjay @corbe Also, it aligns with the ol' wellworn saw, the alleged Cruz supporters, often don't even support the views of Fred Cruz. People get flack just for being more aligned to Cruz than his alleged supporters.
@TomSea I just noticed your Signature and with all due respect, Ted also said this.
"I'm going to do something I haven't done for the entire campaign, for those of you all who've traveled with me, all across the country. I'm going to tell you what I really think of Donald Trump," Cruz said. "This man is a pathological liar. He doesn't know the difference between truth and lies. He lies practically every word that comes out of his mouth." And Cruz added, "The man is utterly amoral. Morality does not exist for him."
Was he lying then or now?
Asking for a Friend.
*full compliance with Net Neutrality laws
(http://israelnewsagency.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/cruz-trump.jpg)
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@TomSea I just noticed your Signature and with all due respect, Ted also said this.
Was he lying then or now?
Asking for a Friend.
*full compliance with Net Neutrality laws
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@corbe
So you're saying Ted Cruz lies sometimes? That he didn't support or campaign for Trump in 2016 or would not support him in 2020? They held a rally together in Washington DC.
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Unlike Trump who was born with the character flaw, @TomSea, Ted's a politician, he Lies, I'm just saying it's not in his DNA as the aforementioned.
I guess that makes Ted somewhat of a Populist also, @Mesaclone
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Unlike Trump who was born with the character flaw, @TomSea, Ted's a politician, he Lies, I'm just saying it's not in his DNA as the aforementioned.
I guess that makes Ted somewhat of a Populist also, @Mesaclone
No, he didn't lie. Both of the things he said can and are true.
Sheesh, not this stupid thread hijack....again.
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But resist we much. We must, and we will much- about that- be committed...
Spoken like a true NeverTrumper.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CifYWxJXaI
Funny stuff.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_jY5sAK4yc
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Your statement warrants no sarcasm, as it is quite simply true on its face. These folks are being forced to reveal their unholy alliance because Trump has them....the deep state AND the far Left...on their heels politically. The "institutions" they have spent decades warping into implements of anti-democratic rule...creating a sort of Oligarchic control intended to "guide" and "restrain" what they see as the erratic Petit Bourgeois tendencies of democracy...are coming unraveled.
The NT Republicans and the Leftists differ ideologically in some ways, but they agree that the nation should be governed by an educational elite who "know better" than the rest of the nation...they inherently do not believe in the wisdom of the Plebs. In fact, the mere prospect terrifies them. In their view, the simplistic Plebs should stand back as the Leftist elites do intellectual battle with the Rightist elites...and then simply accept the outcome of the struggle between their "betters".
So, they are rallying to one another to bring the still formidable resources of the tottering deep state...and they will use their primary weapons (a wildly liberal media establishment, their moles and allies in the letter agencies of government, and the vast funding that has always moved their agenda forward...from a range of Socialist elites across the globe) to retake the reins of government.
All my life I've scoffed at conspiracy theories...and rightly so for the most part. But one conspiracy holds true...and quite frankly has sought to influence and control modern democracy since it arose in England...and that is this coalition of intellectual elites and wealthy "nobility" seeking to mitigate and control the political power of the middle and lower classes (Honestly, you can see the same struggle going on in the Roman Republic as the Plebs and Patricians dueled for power...but I digress). These folks simply have been and still are brazenly pulling the strings in our intelligence agencies (at the highest levels, not the rank and file), in our media, in our universities, etcetera...and they are formidable. And NOW they are more dangerous than they've ever been....because they are genuinely afraid.
An outsider has somehow forced his way on to the throne and has enough support from the Plebs to actually govern in their interests...and our modern form of upper nobility, the Deep State if you will, is both furious and afraid. And they will do anything and everything to stop this man...they would wage nuclear war and burn this whole structure to the ground before the cede any of their hard earned "elite" place in society and governance to the riff-raff (us).
Thank God everyman Donald Trump is looking out for you...the little guy.
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Hmmm... strange bedfellows. Or are they? :pondering:
@Right_in_Virginia
Nope,Globalists,one and all.
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Your statement warrants no sarcasm, as it is quite simply true on its face. These folks are being forced to reveal their unholy alliance because Trump has them....the deep state AND the far Left...on their heels politically. The "institutions" they have spent decades warping into implements of anti-democratic rule...creating a sort of Oligarchic control intended to "guide" and "restrain" what they see as the erratic Petit Bourgeois tendencies of democracy...are coming unraveled.
The NT Republicans and the Leftists differ ideologically in some ways, but they agree that the nation should be governed by an educational elite who "know better" than the rest of the nation...they inherently do not believe in the wisdom of the Plebs. In fact, the mere prospect terrifies them. In their view, the simplistic Plebs should stand back as the Leftist elites do intellectual battle with the Rightist elites...and then simply accept the outcome of the struggle between their "betters".
So, they are rallying to one another to bring the still formidable resources of the tottering deep state...and they will use their primary weapons (a wildly liberal media establishment, their moles and allies in the letter agencies of government, and the vast funding that has always moved their agenda forward...from a range of Socialist elites across the globe) to retake the reins of government.
All my life I've scoffed at conspiracy theories...and rightly so for the most part. But one conspiracy holds true...and quite frankly has sought to influence and control modern democracy since it arose in England...and that is this coalition of intellectual elites and wealthy "nobility" seeking to mitigate and control the political power of the middle and lower classes (Honestly, you can see the same struggle going on in the Roman Republic as the Plebs and Patricians dueled for power...but I digress). These folks simply have been and still are brazenly pulling the strings in our intelligence agencies (at the highest levels, not the rank and file), in our media, in our universities, etcetera...and they are formidable. And NOW they are more dangerous than they've ever been....because they are genuinely afraid.
An outsider has somehow forced his way on to the throne and has enough support from the Plebs to actually govern in their interests...and our modern form of upper nobility, the Deep State if you will, is both furious and afraid. And they will do anything and everything to stop this man...they would wage nuclear war and burn this whole structure to the ground before the cede any of their hard earned "elite" place in society and governance to the riff-raff (us).
@Mesaclone
888high58888 WELL SAID!
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@Right_in_Virginia
Nope,Globalists,one and all.
Exactly @sneakypete
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Unlike Trump who was born with the character flaw, @TomSea, Ted's a politician, he Lies, I'm just saying it's not in his DNA as the aforementioned.
I guess that makes Ted somewhat of a Populist also, @Mesaclone
Lying Ted lies a lot, it is in his DNA to lie.
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Lying Ted lies a lot, it is in his DNA to lie.
I deserve that.
Now Johnny show @jpsb what he's won.
<nope>
thought I'd beat the Mods.
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Thank God everyman Donald Trump is looking out for you...the little guy.
Donald Trump is as far from being an "everyman" as it gets...and why would I want anyone in government looking out for me? What I want, is government to minimize its interference in my commerce, personal life choices, religious beliefs and to stay the hell out of my way as long as I'm not harming my fellow citizens. For that, there is no better man available than President Trump. I don't need his altruism, I just want his determination, competence and brashness in fighting the deep state folks...what doesn't make sense, is why everyone who believes in conservatism wouldn't want that.
So you can keep your Bill Kristols and your Evan Mcmuffins...your Jeff Flakes and the other "classy and sophisticated" good guy collaborators. In our current crisis, I want a cocky SOB who fights to kick intrusive...even co-opted...government back into the role the Founders intended for it.
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So, you oppose "support for the concerns of ordinary people" and/or "the quality of appealing to or being aimed at ordinary people."?
That's the dictionary definition...at least two primary definitions.
Then there is this In his book on American populism, The Populist Persuasion, the historian Michael Kazin describes populism as “a language whose speakers conceive of ordinary people as a noble assemblage not bounded narrowly by class; view their elite opponents as self-serving and undemocratic; and seek to mobilise the former against the latter.[/i]â€
Kazin states our situation perfectly...the Noble Assemblage of the ordinary people vs a self proclaimed Elite who are self serving and undemocratic. In our current crisis, Populism is simply an uprising of the "ordinary" folks against the oppression of a bureaucratic government structure that is serving and being directed by elites....and those elites are coming from both parties. Layered on top of that, is liberal dominance of those "government structures", a fact that exacerbates the problem but is not its root.
Populism can be mob rule....or...it can be something more necessary, even noble. It is, in our current crisis, a people's way of saying "enough, we will not be ruled by bureau-tyrants any longer".
The "mob" version of populism, which we SHOULD all fear, is what Bernie Sanders was advocating...he would make government massive and synonymous with "the mob", essentially government would become an expression of mob rule. What the President's supporters are demanding is a reformation of the bureaucracy, and a general diminishment of its powers and scope...with a return of power to the local level whenever feasible.
A dose of conservative populism is a good thing Corbe...why would you be against that?
Thanks @Mesaclone Eloquent and on point as usual.
@corbe just likes to throw words around and make his own definition of them. He's a professional provocateur and likes to practice his art.
A lot of people think they are better than 'The People.' They are not.
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Donald Trump is as far from being an "everyman" as it gets...and why would I want anyone in government looking out for me? What I want, is government to minimize its interference in my commerce, personal life choices, religious beliefs and to stay the hell out of my way as long as I'm not harming my fellow citizens. For that, there is no better man available than President Trump. I don't need his altruism, I just want his determination, competence and brashness in fighting the deep state folks...what doesn't make sense, is why everyone who believes in conservatism wouldn't want that.
So you can keep your Bill Kristols and your Evan Mcmuffins...your Jeff Flakes and the other "classy and sophisticated" good guy collaborators. In our current crisis, I want a cocky SOB who fights to kick intrusive...even co-opted...government back into the role the Founders intended for it.
Your vision is different than mine. I think you need new lenses. I have seen Trump fold when he could have been your SOB. He belongs to Evangelicals. You would think that I would like that right? No, different brand of religion than it used to be.
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Other than that 3/5's thing that was a dem compromise later, 'WE THE PEOPLE' did not exclude people that are not joyous about President Trump, @Emjay.
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I didn’t need a New York Times headline story to clue me in. I formed my conclusions about Trump after witnessing three years of Conservative/GOP NeverTrumpers and Democrats echoing each other‘s exact thematic arguments and sounding very much alike – in fact, it was hard to tell them apart without a score card. Conservatives and liberals saying the exact things about Donald Trump was a bit disconcerting at first but told me everything I needed to know to confirm Trump was the right guy to vote for.
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In our current crisis, I want a cocky SOB who fights to kick intrusive...even co-opted...government back into the role the Founders intended for it.
Really? When did Trump make that happen?
1.5 $TRILLION in deficit spending that Trump signed to fully fund the Leftist agenda says your statement is beyond empty.
I also do not think you Trumsplicans actually want Government shoved back into the role the Founders intended it to be. I think all you people really want is someone to fight and punish those you hate using his office to do it.
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Really? When did Trump make that happen?
1.5 $TRILLION in deficit spending that Trump signed to fully fund the Leftist agenda says your statement is beyond empty.
I also do not think you Trumsplicans actually want Government shoved back into the role the Founders intended it to be. I think all you people really want is someone to fight and punish those you hate using his office to do it.
:hands:
He couldn't even do the Embassy right. It was all about End Times and how he is King Cyrus. Why wouldn't he move the Embassy? He is soaking in his majestic role.
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Your vision is different than mine. I think you need new lenses. I have seen Trump fold when he could have been your SOB. He belongs to Evangelicals. You would think that I would like that right? No, different brand of religion than it used to be.
Trump doesn't fold, he's just not stupid. For example, brash and determined is splitting your forces at Chancellorsville...stupid is the Charge of the Light Brigade or Custer riding into Little Big Horn with no supporting forces available. If you can't win a fight, you don't fight it just to claim you've done your duty...or to make some empty moral point. You take the Sun Tzu approach, manuevuer your forces and be patient so you can win the fight before the first drop of blood is shed.
Here's a great example. Trump...nor any President...cannot win a fight in congress to deport every single illegal immigrant in this country. Even if he could, it would be a Pyrrhic victory at best, because videos of shattered families and children would flood the airways resulting in a Democrat wave victory in the ensuing election...so that falls fully in the category of stupid. Demanding a small portion of immigrants...DACA...gain residency in exchange for a full scale border wall and greatly enhanced border security....now that is brash and determined.
Immigration is the perfect example of the ground on which he is fighting...without any of the "sophisticated" conservatives/Republicans helping him. And yet still he fights for it, because while victory is not assured it is possible...flat out 100% deportation isn't possible, so only a moron would fight on THAT ground.
Ditto for balancing the budget this year while still funding the military. He had zero chance of winning a fight for both, and wisely understood he could win a fight for our armed forces...which MUST be the priority. So, again, brash...not moronic.
So where you say he hasn't been an "SOB" is simply where he's demonstrating that he's not a moron and that he's read his Sun Tzu. He fights when he has at least the possibility of winning in congress...or through Executive Order. He doesn't charge into Hannibal's lines while leaving his flanks exposed (Cannae).
As for religion and Evangelical support...I could care less if Trump worships Baal. What matters is whether he protects religious freedom from the predations of a government all too often dominated by socialistic tendencies.
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Really? When did Trump make that happen?
1.5 $TRILLION in deficit spending that Trump signed to fully fund the Leftist agenda says your statement is beyond empty. He funded our military...there weren't sufficient conservative votes to pass a balanced budget so that was not up to him.
I also do not think you Trumsplicans actually want Government shoved back into the role the Founders intended it to be. I think all you people really want is someone to fight and punish those you hate using his office to do it. Maybe "thinking" isn't your thing. In just two sentences, you were wrong at least 4 different times...not good.
Well, it began on Jan 21st 2017 within his first 12 hours in office....And now that he’s President Trump, he has kept his promise. In his first 12 hours as president of the United States, Trump signed a whole ream of executive orders. Most of them are procedural, involving his cabinet picks, but a couple have powerful implications for American citizens. One of these executive orders begins Trump’s rollback of the Affordable Care Act, and another suspends a rate discount on Federal Housing Authority-backed mortgages. -Peter Hess
...and continues to this day.
He fights the fights that can be won, and when he cannot have ALL that he wants...full deportation or a budget balanced on day one of his Presidency...he gets what IS possible. Funding for the armed forces while fighting to trade DACA for a big-ass Wall and a much strengthened immigration enforcement.
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Really? When did Trump make that happen?
1.5 $TRILLION in deficit spending that Trump signed to fully fund the Leftist agenda says your statement is beyond empty.
I also do not think you Trumsplicans actually want Government shoved back into the role the Founders intended it to be. I think all you people really want is someone to fight and punish those you hate using his office to do it.
Well..... to be fair here.... I, myself, would be kinda happy if Trump succeeded in containing, curtailing and yes, even (gasp!) punishing the lefties for what they've done to this nation, especially over the last decade. I know, I know. That shocks you. Right?
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Other than that 3/5's thing that was a dem compromise later, 'WE THE PEOPLE' did not exclude people that are not joyous about President Trump, @Emjay.
You don't have to be joyous about Trump to see reason @corbe I know you are irked by the Trump worship that seems to abound in your family, but relax.
The fact is that Trump is something of a miracle. Not saying a miracle sent from God, but a miracle for the country.
It is unbelievable that Trump thought he could run for President; that he could actually get the nomination; and especially that he could be elected.
But that happened. Historians will be kept in quill pens for years trying to figure out how and why but the fact is that Trump, more than any other politician of his time, struck a deep chord with The People. He said what they wanted to hear... what they had been hungry to hear for years.
You and I didn't want Trump ... we wanted Ted Cruz. But in retrospect, I don't think Ted Cruz could have beaten Hillary. Trump was a man for his time. An odd man for his time, maybe, but he did save the country.
Yeah, the country might have survived 8 years of Obama (that we are still suffering for) followed by 4 years of Hillary, but the country would have been very damaged by the time that crew got through. You can see by the hissy fits both Hillary and the Obama's are having daily that this was their country and this Bumpkin had no right to it.
And, while the NTers continue to nitpick Trump and what they call his lack of progress and his failure to keep his promises, the fact remains that everything that Trump has proposed and fought for is what most conservatives want.
So, yeah, I support Trump and I hope that he can manage to get the needed seats in the Senate to get some of his proposals passed.
And, yes, I kinda resent being called unpleasant names just because I feel this way.
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goopo @Emjay
I love my Family, even had they voted for obummer or hellary (WHICH THEY DID NOT), as they tolerate my (so called) NTism I tolerate their ability to love me is spite of my flaws.
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goopo @Emjay
I love my Family, even had they voted for obummer or hellary (WHICH THEY DID NOT), as they tolerate my (so called) NTism I tolerate their ability to love me is spite of my flaws.
I love my family, also, but we do not indulge in the political banter that you enjoy so much. Most of my family members are liberal. We simply do not talk about it. Why fight about that?
I always remember seeing democrat Pat (?) ... I'll think of his name in ten minutes ... or not. Anyway, he was regretting the fact that he had alienated his parents for two years about the differences about the VietNam war. He lost those two year with his parents over politics.
I'm not losing any family years over politics.
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goopo @Emjay
I love my Family, even had they voted for obummer or hellary (WHICH THEY DID NOT), as they tolerate my (so called) NTism I tolerate their ability to love me is spite of my flaws.
By the way, thanks for changing the subject without responding to my post.
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Well..... to be fair here.... I, myself, would be kinda happy if Trump succeeded in containing, curtailing and yes, even (gasp!) punishing the lefties for what they've done to this nation, especially over the last decade. I know, I know. That shocks you. Right?
I don't consider you a Trumplican dear.
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@Emjay I just spent 4 hours with my Trumper Family and Politics, as usual, was on top of the agenda (it's in our DNA).
Good People, Cold Beer and the ever present Laughs, what more could you ask for.
With that being said, I am also truly Blessed to share this time with you and the other Briefers here that I enjoy conversing with so much.
There's all so much to be Grateful for this Memorial Day.
The Sacrifices that have been made, for US to even be here.
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Well, it began on Jan 21st 2017 within his first 12 hours in office....
...and continues to this day. ...He fights the fights
Blah, blah, blah, bla..bla..bla..blah...blah...blahh.
That's what I hear now every single time I read all the silly justifications for Trump and bullshit like the 1.5 trillion he signed (after two 700 B-B-BILLION military spending increases authorized on February 9th of this year) peddled to promote him.
Maybe you actually believe all this bullshit you are trying to foist as undeniable justification - but I for one don't even listen to you turkeys anymore. To me - you might as well be one of the Obama drones at DU trying to convince me how great his heinous was as president. I'm not listening to those efforts - or yours.
The fact you have to go to such lengths to try and sell Trump - ought to be a sign for you that I'm not buying.
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Well, it began on Jan 21st 2017 within his first 12 hours in office....And now that he’s President Trump, he has kept his promise. In his first 12 hours as president of the United States, Trump signed a whole ream of executive orders. Most of them are procedural, involving his cabinet picks, but a couple have powerful implications for American citizens. One of these executive orders begins Trump’s rollback of the Affordable Care Act, and another suspends a rate discount on Federal Housing Authority-backed mortgages. -Peter Hess
...and continues to this day.
He fights the fights that can be won, and when he cannot have ALL that he wants...full deportation or a budget balanced on day one of his Presidency...he gets what IS possible. Funding for the armed forces while fighting to trade DACA for a big-ass Wall and a much strengthened immigration enforcement.
Totally agree. Some of the folks that act so hostile sound more like the Taliban or other terrorist enemies. They say some of the same things.
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Yup:
Who said... well that would be in bad taste, let alone, if people are talking about what sounds like armed rebellion per that article in the editorial page, that is pretty radical.
They do play that game, who said this? One of the 20th centuries worst dictators or some politician?
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What do I win, @TomSea?
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Totally agree. Some of the folks that act so hostile sound more like the Taliban or other terrorist enemies. They say some of the same things.
That's right. We're the Taliban and enemy terrorists because we do not sing the hosannas to Trump. *****rollingeyes*****
And yet these are the same people who get all upset if a picture of a single man refusing to seig-heil the Nazis at Nuremberg is posted here.
But referencing us as terrorists and the Taliban is A-okay.
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That's right. We're the Taliban and enemy terrorists because we do not sing the hosannas to Trump. *****rollingeyes*****
And yet these are the same people who get all upset if a picture of a single man refusing to seig-heil the Nazis at Nuremberg is posted here.
But referencing us as terrorists and the Taliban is A-okay.
No one referenced you AS a terrorist, rather, they called out your irrationality and blindness to reason as being similar to the kind of thought process by which terrorists justify their own intellectually indefensible viewpoints.
When your positions are made untenable by the presentation of fact, reason and common sense you fall back on ad hominem arguments, magical thought, and virtue signaling...the standard tactics of those who are unable to put forward an actual argument for their own ideology.
Finally, you try to draw associations by using Nazi analogies...such as the Sieg Heil picture you referenced...and then you are upset when people tell you how illogical and absurd such comparisons are. If you are dumb enough to see parallels between opposing Trump and opposing Hitler, you are demonstrating just how absurd, uneducated, and fanatical your own views are.
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No one referenced you AS a terrorist, rather, they called out your irrationality and blindness to reason as being similar to the kind of thought process by which terrorists justify their own intellectually indefensible viewpoints.
When your positions are made untenable by the presentation of fact, reason and common sense you fall back on ad hominem arguments, magical thought, and virtue signaling...the standard tactics of those who are unable to put forward an actual argument for their own ideology.
Finally, you try to draw associations by using Nazi analogies...such as the Sieg Heil picture you referenced...and then you are upset when people tell you how illogical and absurd such comparisons are. If you are dumb enough to see parallels between opposing Trump and opposing Hitler, you are demonstrating just how absurd, uneducated, and fanatical your own views are.
Top shelf, @Mesaclone
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Top shelf, @Mesaclone
:2popcorn:
Yes, Mesaclone makes solid arguments. But, hate trumps logic, and so as usual, good reasoning will fall on deaf ears.
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No one referenced you AS a terrorist, rather, they called out your irrationality and blindness to reason as being similar to the kind of thought process by which terrorists justify their own intellectually indefensible viewpoints.
When your positions are made untenable by the presentation of fact, reason and common sense you fall back on ad hominem arguments, magical thought, and virtue signaling...the standard tactics of those who are unable to put forward an actual argument for their own ideology.
Finally, you try to draw associations by using Nazi analogies...such as the Sieg Heil picture you referenced...and then you are upset when people tell you how illogical and absurd such comparisons are. If you are dumb enough to see parallels between opposing Trump and opposing Hitler, you are demonstrating just how absurd, uneducated, and fanatical your own views are.
I have seen plenty recently and have done plenty of research into the King Cyrus prophesies. INVAR has plenty of reason for the things he said and I stand behind him. From the beginning Trump has been something other than POTUS to America. There is lots of information on it and anyone can look it up. They are looking to Trump to bring about the Second Coming of Christ. Not only in America but this information is being spread throughout the world.
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I have seen plenty recently and have done plenty of research into the King Cyrus prophesies. INVAR has plenty of reason for the things he said and I stand behind him. From the beginning Trump has been something other than POTUS to America. There is lots of information on it and anyone can look it up. They are looking to Trump to bring about the Second Coming of Christ. Not only in America but this information is being spread throughout the world.
*****rollingeyes*****
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I have seen plenty recently and have done plenty of research into the King Cyrus prophesies. INVAR has plenty of reason for the things he said and I stand behind him. From the beginning Trump has been something other than POTUS to America. There is lots of information on it and anyone can look it up. They are looking to Trump to bring about the Second Coming of Christ. Not only in America but this information is being spread throughout the world.
Oh boy.
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The only thing worse than a NeverTrumper is an AlwaysTrumper. Unlike their counterparts, the AlwaysTrumper consistently engages in the logical fallacy that there is nothing in between.
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The only thing worse than a NeverTrumper is an AlwaysTrumper. Unlike their counterparts, the AlwaysTrumper consistently engages in the logical fallacy that there is nothing in between.
Yes & no. NTer's never really say who they'd rather have.
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I have seen plenty recently and have done plenty of research into the King Cyrus prophesies. INVAR has plenty of reason for the things he said and I stand behind him. From the beginning Trump has been something other than POTUS to America. There is lots of information on it and anyone can look it up. They are looking to Trump to bring about the Second Coming of Christ. Not only in America but this information is being spread throughout the world.
@Chosen Daughter
Done reseach into "the King Cyrus prophesies"??
Oh,well! THAT changes EVERYTHING! You clearly represent the rational Anti-Trumpers that post here and elsewhere,no sarcasm implied or intended.
Do you also buy and sell magic beans?
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Yes & no. NTer's never really say who they'd rather have.
@skeeter
Can you blame them?
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The only thing worse than a NeverTrumper is an AlwaysTrumper. Unlike their counterparts, the AlwaysTrumper consistently engages in the logical fallacy that there is nothing in between.
I’ve never met or read the writings of an AlwaysTrumper. Certainly, nobody posting on this board comes anywhere near matching such a description.
Are you a Snipe Hunter, UFOlogist, or perhaps a Bigfoot researcher...if so, you will likely have more luck finding such quarry than you will have in locating an AlwaysTrumper.
Also, I’ve always wanted to ride a unicorn...have you spotted any of these recently. Pics?
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I’ve never met or read the writings of an AlwaysTrumper. Certainly, nobody posting on this board comes anywhere near matching such a description.
lol
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I’ve never met or read the writings of an AlwaysTrumper. Certainly, nobody posting on this board comes anywhere near matching such a description.
Are you a Snipe Hunter, UFOlogist, or perhaps a Bigfoot researcher...if so, you will likely have more luck finding such quarry than you will have in locating an AlwaysTrumper.
Also, I’ve always wanted to ride a unicorn...have you spotted any of these recently. Pics?
:bigsilly:
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@Chosen Daughter
Done reseach into "the King Cyrus prophesies"??
Oh,well! THAT changes EVERYTHING! You clearly represent the rational Anti-Trumpers that post here and elsewhere,no sarcasm implied or intended.
Do you also buy and sell magic beans?
No magic beans. President Trump is as religious as it comes just look at his closest advisors. I am sure that you must have noticed all the prayers for the King prior to his election. He really is a useless useful idiot to them. They have an agenda and he fits the King Cyrus role. He's the guy! His narcissistic character is perfect for his majesty roll.
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No magic beans. President Trump is as religious as it comes just look at his closest advisors. I am sure that you must have noticed all the prayers for the King prior to his election. He really is a useless useful idiot to them. They have an agenda and he fits the King Cyrus role. He's the guy! His narcissistic character is perfect for his majesty roll.
@Chosen Daughter
Un,huh. Who told you all this,your cult leader?
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@Chosen Daughter
Un,huh. Who told you all this,your cult leader?
I left the Evangelical cult. They were more concerned with End Times than sharing the Word of God.
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I left the Evangelical cult. They were more concerned with End Times than sharing the Word of God.
Ah, you must be referring to the "Salvation is the Finish Line - not the Starting Line" crowd.
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Ah, you must be referring to the "Salvation is the Finish Line - not the Starting Line" crowd.
Right and it is a race leaving Jesus behind.
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No magic beans. President Trump is as religious as it comes just look at his closest advisors. I am sure that you must have noticed all the prayers for the King prior to his election. He really is a useless useful idiot to them. They have an agenda and he fits the King Cyrus role. He's the guy! His narcissistic character is perfect for his majesty roll.
The King Cyrus reference came from Netanyahu .... why not take your displeasure up with him?
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Your statement warrants no sarcasm, as it is quite simply true on its face. These folks are being forced to reveal their unholy alliance because Trump has them....the deep state AND the far Left...on their heels politically. The "institutions" they have spent decades warping into implements of anti-democratic rule...creating a sort of Oligarchic control intended to "guide" and "restrain" what they see as the erratic Petit Bourgeois tendencies of democracy...are coming unraveled.
The NT Republicans and the Leftists differ ideologically in some ways, but they agree that the nation should be governed by an educational elite who "know better" than the rest of the nation...they inherently do not believe in the wisdom of the Plebs. In fact, the mere prospect terrifies them. In their view, the simplistic Plebs should stand back as the Leftist elites do intellectual battle with the Rightist elites...and then simply accept the outcome of the struggle between their "betters".
Direct hit!
I don't think every NT Republican citizen falls into the category of preferring elites, but it's pretty clear that's true of the GOP politician NT'ers. They've all decided that being a member of the "club" is more important than substance. Anti-republican to their core.
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Thank you for that somewhat encouraging Ping @Emjay. If being a Conservative that opposes Populism in the Electorate brands me as a NT'er, I am guilty as Charged, your Honor, cuff me! (pretty please).....
I've never liked populism either.
The problem is that non-populist conservatism failed to rally enough support to win. And too many of our conservative leaders were so conservative in their demeanor that they considered it ungentlemanly/unladylike to fight the leftists as aggressively as required. They'd rather lose pretty than win ugly. And so...we were losing. Some of those politicians still would prefer that we lose on issues rather than win behind a cad.
Trump is the populist bull in the china shop, and clearly lacking in some areas. However, in terms of ganging up on him or supporting him, I'm reminded of Lincoln's response to criticism of Grant:
"I can't spare this man -- he fights."
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No one referenced you AS a terrorist, rather, they called out your irrationality and blindness to reason as being similar to the kind of thought process by which terrorists justify their own intellectually indefensible viewpoints.
So you need to Trumpsplain for Tom eh? I guess you must make a living off of lying/spinning for a living. Tom specifically said we sound like terrorists or the Taliban because WE SAY THE SAME THINGS:
Some of the folks that act so hostile sound more like the Taliban or other terrorist enemies. They say some of the same things.
So according to you and Tom, those of us who 'act so hostile' sound like Jihad terrorists, because we 'say the same things'. So, if we dis Trump online - we sound just like Jihadists.
Gotcha.
Finally, you try to draw associations by using Nazi analogies...such as the Sieg Heil picture you referenced...and then you are upset when people tell you how illogical and absurd such comparisons are.
I find the comparison adroit, striking, accurate and a perfect picture of how I view you people; all saluting in rigid fervor your leader - and outraged that some of us are "irrational and blind to reason" that we would dare refuse to salute. So yes, for the record, I do view you rabid Trump berating fanatics as no different than the mobs who went berserk for Hitler.
Coming from someone who you say sounds like a Jihad Terrorist like the Taliban - I'm sure you'll understand. My status as Enemy of the state notwithstanding.
If you are dumb enough to see parallels between opposing Trump and opposing Hitler, you are demonstrating just how absurd, uneducated, and fanatical your own views are.
Yeah, yeah, yeah - and I get told the same stupid shit because I reject all the stupid arguments that try to convince us that Climate Change is real and that we must accept the 'settled science' or I am demonstrating how absurd, uneducated and fanatical my own views are.
So I'm used to the accusation. It means that I am on the right path of thinking and not joining the groupthink of wannabe Reichmasters.
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In the long game, I’m ATA, Always Trump Agenda. How he accomplishes that agenda is up to him. So far, where it’s possible, he’s been on track and winning most confrontations. I expect that trend should continue and, as he continues winning popular support, it will get even better.
Now, if some NeverTrumpers consider Donald Trump unworthy to occupy the White House, well, that’s between them and their conscience. That’s not gonna change my support for Donald Trump one iota.
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In the long game, I’m ATA, Always Trump Agenda. How he accomplishes that agenda is up to him. So far, where it’s possible, he’s been on track and winning most confrontations. I expect that trend should continue and, as he continues winning popular support, it will get even better.
Now, if some NeverTrumpers consider Donald Trump unworthy to occupy the White House, well, that’s between them and their conscience. That’s not gonna change my support for Donald Trump one iota.
And here lies the problem. The screaming logical fallacy here is this:
(NOT) AT = NT
This premise is a lie. It was a lie back in 2016, and it continues to be a lie today. Yet the AT crowd, caught up in their own extremism, just cannot come to terms that we Conservatives here are neither AT nor NT, but instead choose to assess deeds and actions one at a time based upon a set of standards adopted long before the Andrew Jackson wannabe appeared on the political scene.
As one of the many (NOT) AT & (NOT) NT members here, I will gladly commend Trump when he does something that furthers the Conservative agenda, and will promptly criticize him when he does something that hampers it. It is a hallmark of critical thinking - something that I am not willing to sacrifice for any man ever, for any reason or circumstance.
Compare that to the one who claims to support Trump's Agenda no matter what. Ah, the convenience of never having to think critically. If Trump is for it, then I must be for it too? Bah!
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lol
I can think of one who might fit the AT description but they are as rare as unicorns.
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Compare that to the one who claims to support Trump's Agenda no matter what. Ah, the convenience of never having to think critically. If Trump is for it, then I must be for it too? Bah!
HEAR, HEAR!
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And here lies the problem. The screaming logical fallacy here is this:
(NOT) AT = NT
This premise is a lie. It was a lie back in 2016, and it continues to be a lie today. Yet the AT crowd, caught up in their own extremism, just cannot come to terms that we Conservatives here are neither AT nor NT, but instead choose to assess deeds and actions one at a time based upon a set of standards adopted long before the Andrew Jackson wannabe appeared on the political scene.
As one of the many (NOT) AT & (NOT) NT members here, I will gladly commend Trump when he does something that furthers the Conservative agenda, and will promptly criticize him when he does something that hampers it. It is a hallmark of critical thinking - something that I am not willing to sacrifice for any man ever, for any reason or circumstance.
Compare that to the one who claims to support Trump's Agenda no matter what. Ah, the convenience of never having to think critically. If Trump is for it, then I must be for it too? Bah!
You have a somewhat skewed impression of an always Trumper. I am an always Trumper in many ways. I support his actions and agenda unless I can't. And, so far, I can.
Though it is scorned by an odd group here, it IS relevant to compare Trump to Hillary. To compare Trump to Obama. To compare Trump to any democrat you can name.
And Trump always looks better to me.
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I've never liked populism either.
The problem is that non-populist conservatism failed to rally enough support to win. And too many of our conservative leaders were so conservative in their demeanor that they considered it ungentlemanly/unladylike to fight the leftists as aggressively as required. They'd rather lose pretty than win ugly. And so...we were losing. Some of those politicians still would prefer that we lose on issues rather than win behind a cad.
Trump is the populist bull in the china shop, and clearly lacking in some areas. However, in terms of ganging up on him or supporting him, I'm reminded of Lincoln's response to criticism of Grant:
"I can't spare this man -- he fights."
Thanks @Maj. Bill Martin , you are exactly right. I remember the Romney/Obama debates. In the first debate, Romney had Obama on the ropes ... Obama was looking like the pansy socialist he is. Then, unaccountably, Romney backed off with both feet. I can't see Trump doing that.
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And here lies the problem. The screaming logical fallacy here is this:
(NOT) AT = NT
This premise is a lie. It was a lie back in 2016, and it continues to be a lie today. Yet the AT crowd, caught up in their own extremism, just cannot come to terms that we Conservatives here are neither AT nor NT, but instead choose to assess deeds and actions one at a time based upon a set of standards adopted long before the Andrew Jackson wannabe appeared on the political scene.
As one of the many (NOT) AT & (NOT) NT members here, I will gladly commend Trump when he does something that furthers the Conservative agenda, and will promptly criticize him when he does something that hampers it. It is a hallmark of critical thinking - something that I am not willing to sacrifice for any man ever, for any reason or circumstance.
Compare that to the one who claims to support Trump's Agenda no matter what. Ah, the convenience of never having to think critically. If Trump is for it, then I must be for it too? Bah!
@Hoodat
Yet you have no problem lumping anyone who says anything positive about this administration as an evil AT who has compromised their entire moral code and who cannot think critically.
Irony, its not just for dinner anymore.
Yes I support this President and his administration. He's not perfect but he's done many good things and is far far better then any alternative I've seen.
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The problem is that non-populist conservatism failed to rally enough support to win.
Disagree. The GOP oligarchy and leadership kept feeding the public Rockerfeller/Establishment candidates they handpicked for national office that now, we can see were clearly nothing more than Big Government Democrats themselves. Non-Populist Conservatism failed to rally because it was sabotaged by party leadership and few-to-none except talk radio hosts dared to articulate it out of fear of being labelled an extremist/racist/homophobe/Nativist etc.
And too many of our conservative leaders were so conservative in their demeanor that they considered it ungentlemanly/unladylike to fight the leftists as aggressively as required.
No. Those 'Leaders' more than demonstrated that they have the willingness and ability to fight nasty, dirty and relentlessly AGAINST actual Conservatives running for office in their party that they did not greenlight and groom. It was the Democrats they refused to engage in the same tactics they used to defeat primary Conservative challengers, and when a Conservative won that they did not approve of - they sabotaged the candidate in the general election - some even going so far as to endorse and vote for the Democrat.
It has less to do with the fact they are not willing to fight in order to be seen as gentlemen, but rather WHOM they chose to fight and for WHAT they chose to fight
Hint: it wasn't Conservatism.
They'd rather lose pretty than win ugly.
They would rather lose to a Democrat than win with a Conservative. That much they have made perfectly clear.
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Thanks @Maj. Bill Martin , you are exactly right. I remember the Romney/Obama debates. In the first debate, Romney had Obama on the ropes ... Obama was looking like the pansy socialist he is. Then, unaccountably, Romney backed off with both feet. I can't see Trump doing that.
@Emjay
IMO Romney backed off because he is a globalist. And the globalist cabal wanted Obama.
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Disagree. The GOP oligarchy and leadership kept feeding the public Rockerfeller/Establishment candidates they handpicked for national office that now, we can see were clearly nothing more than Big Government Democrats themselves. Non-Populist Conservatism failed to rally because it was sabotaged by party leadership and few-to-none except talk radio hosts dared to articulate it out of fear of being labelled an extremist/racist/homophobe/Nativist etc.
No. Those 'Leaders' more than demonstrated that they have the willingness and ability to fight nasty, dirty and relentlessly AGAINST actual Conservatives running for office in their party that they did not greenlight and groom. It was the Democrats they refused to engage in the same tactics they used to defeat primary Conservative challengers, and when a Conservative won that they did not approve of - they sabotaged the candidate in the general election - some even going so far as to endorse and vote for the Democrat.
It has less to do with the fact they are not willing to fight in order to be seen as gentlemen, but rather WHOM they chose to fight and for WHAT they chose to fight
Hint: it wasn't Conservatism.
They would rather lose to a Democrat than win with a Conservative. That much they have made perfectly clear.
Conservatives failed, and not just a little bit, no they failed miserably. Too many conservatives think they can win using common sense and logic. Then they attack anyone who disagrees with them. Anything that hints at compromise is denounced as it must be "pure" or it is evil and they'd rather lose then accept a partial win.
The leftists control the schools from Pre-K through PhD programs. They control most of the courts, govt agencies and media. With that they control public opinion.
Meanwhile conservatives are stabbing each other in the back because they aren't pure enough.
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lol
@Hoodat sad thing is he honestly believes that.
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Yup:
Who said... well that would be in bad taste, let alone, if people are talking about what sounds like armed rebellion per that article in the editorial page, that is pretty radical.
They do play that game, who said this? One of the 20th centuries worst dictators or some politician?
That's rich coming from you since you have more than once in the past called for some kind of violence or "retribution" against anyone who didn't vote for Trump.
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@Hoodat
Yet you have no problem lumping anyone who says anything positive about this administration as an evil AT who has compromised their entire moral code and who cannot think critically.
Uh, nope. Never did that. But thanks for playing. We have some wonderful consolation prizes for you. Tell him what he's won, Don.
Yes I support this President and his administration.
As do I. But I will not support him when he does liberal things. I refuse to compromise my principles when he supports trade tariffs, or when he removes even more people from the tax roles, or when he signs budgets with trillion dollar deficits, or when he supports amnesty. Capisce? You are free to support him no matter what liberal position he takes. But please don't lie about me being a Never Trumper simply because I refuse to sign on.
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Simply @Emjay telling anyone what they want to hear even if they are diametrically opposed to whatever principles you may/may not hold just to win votes, a personality trait inherent in most all Politicians.
William Jennings Bryan and the Kingfish, Huey P Long quickly come to my mind.
Ross Perot and the Occupy movement are two other examples.
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Uh, nope. Never did that. But thanks for playing. We have some wonderful consolation prizes for you. Tell him what he's won, Don.
As do I. But I will not support him when he does liberal things. I refuse to compromise my principles when he supports trade tariffs, or when he removes even more people from the tax roles, or when he signs budgets with trillion dollar deficits, or when he supports amnesty. Capisce? You are free to support him no matter what liberal position he takes. But please don't lie about me being a Never Trumper simply because I refuse to sign on.
Doublespeak is the hallmark of a closet leftist. Capisce?
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Ross Perot and the Occupy movement are two other examples.
Andrew Jackson, Alexander Hamilton, John Adams, Benjamin Franklin, & James Madison are a few more examples of people who played politics.
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Doublespeak is the hallmark of a closet leftist. Capisce?
The only thing missing here is any evidence at all that shows I said what you claim I said. Short of that, the only conclusion that can be drawn is that you are a liar.
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The only thing missing here is any evidence at all that shows I said what you claim I said. Short of that, the only conclusion that can be drawn is that you are a liar.
@Hoodat
So you jump from making broad sweeping generalizations against anyone who supports Trump to making personal insults.
A goodfellow you are not.
Typical of NTs.
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@Hoodat
So you jump from making broad sweeping generalizations against anyone who supports Trump to making personal insults.
A goodfellow you are not.
Typical of NTs.
QED
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@driftdiver
Let's take a look again, shall we? Here is your statement:
Yet you have no problem lumping anyone who says anything positive about this administration as an evil AT who has compromised their entire moral code and who cannot think critically.
As someone who has said many positive things about Trump on this forum, who has come to his defense numerous times, and who has started threads supporting him against his attackers, I find your statement utterly preposterous. And the fact that you doubled down on it knowing full well that you did not have a shred of evidence to support it shows that you are an enemy of truth. Yet I'm the name caller here? lol
I am opposed to NTs as well as ATs. But I am sick and tired of being labeled a NT simply because I refuse to be an AT.
As for you, I don't recall you ever offering criticism for anything Trump has said. Yet I recall countless times where you have attacked someone who did.
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@driftdiver
Let's take a look again, shall we? Here is your statement:
As someone who has said many positive things about Trump on this forum, who has come to his defense numerous times, and who has started threads supporting him against his attackers, I find your statement utterly preposterous. And the fact that you doubled down on it knowing full well that you did not have a shred of evidence to support it shows that you are an enemy of truth. Yet I'm the name caller here? lol
I am opposed to NTs as well as ATs. But I am sick and tired of being labeled a NT simply because I refuse to be an AT.
As for you, I don't recall you ever offering criticism for anything Trump has said. Yet I recall countless times where you have attacked someone who did.
@Hoodat
And yet you freely lump all ATs in the same bucket.
awww seems the arrow hit a bullseye and caused some consternation, literally some wailing and gnashing of teeth
I've criticized Trump on many occasions. So I guess that makes you a liar.
good bye
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As do I. But I will not support him when he does liberal things. I refuse to compromise my principles when he supports trade tariffs, or when he removes even more people from the tax roles, or when he signs budgets with trillion dollar deficits, or when he supports amnesty. Capisce? You are free to support him no matter what liberal position he takes. But please don't lie about me being a Never Trumper simply because I refuse to sign on.
Er, I prefer 'get it.' But trade tariffs are supported by a lot of people for various reasons. I would not call it liberal. I would call it a difference of opinion on how to resolve the trade imbalance. That budget wasn't perfect, but it was good. And you know what perfect is the enemy of? I thought you did. And when has he supported amnesty?
I would not call you a Never Trumper, but I would call you someone who harbors enough dislike of Trump to cause you to see liberalism where none exists. Capisce?
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Conservatives failed, and not just a little bit, no they failed miserably.
No. REPUBLICANS FAILED.
Conservatives never had a chance, and when they take one - their party leadership cuts their legs out from under them.
You know, once upon a time it used to be said that Conservatism works everytime it is tried. Now, even the person who promoted the phrase no longer believes that, because they decided that a lifelong Liberal NYC Democrat Bulldozer is better.
Too many conservatives think they can win using common sense and logic. Then they attack anyone who disagrees with them. Anything that hints at compromise is denounced as it must be "pure" or it is evil and they'd rather lose then accept a partial win.
We have already compromised ourselves into a Socialist State that both parties advocate for. The fact you people are demanding that more compromise is needed with Democrats in order to 'win' is exactly what the GOP establishment is already doing. The only difference is that you people have decided to make a lifelong NYC Liberal Democrat your standard-bearer that you people demand everyone support and follow or get labelled an enemy of the state or a Taliban Jihadist according to your compatriots here.
Meanwhile conservatives are stabbing each other in the back because they aren't pure enough.
We have 30-plus years of compromise with liberals in both parties that we campaigned and voted for with zilch to show for it in terms of slowing or stopping the country from becoming what it is now.
Precisely because we refused to insist on actual Conservatism and continued voting for liberals because... pragmatism and all that.
So you can continue to ridicule the rest of us for 'purity' all you like. We just laugh at you, because we're done supporting liberalism while lying to ourselves that this is what it takes to move the country to the right.
You can call that puritanical and evil as the day is long. We no longer care what you people think.
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Er, I prefer 'get it.' But trade tariffs are supported by a lot of people for various reasons. I would not call it liberal. I would call it a difference of opinion on how to resolve the trade imbalance. That budget wasn't perfect, but it was good. And you know what perfect is the enemy of? I thought you did. And when has he supported amnesty?
I would not call you a Never Trumper, but I would call you someone who harbors enough dislike of Trump to cause you to see liberalism where none exists. Capisce?
@Emjay
I think tariffs are bad as well. However, I think Trump is using them to gain leverage. Otherwise China will just ignore any attempts to renegotiate trade agreements. I'd wager they'll be gone in a year or less.
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No. REPUBLICANS FAILED.
Conservatives never had a chance, and when they take one - their party leadership cuts their legs out from under them.
You know, once upon a time it used to be said that Conservatism works everytime it is tried. Now, even the person who promoted the phrase no longer believes that, because they decided that a lifelong Liberal NYC Democrat Bulldozer is better.
We have already compromised ourselves into a Socialist State that both parties advocate for. The fact you people are demanding that more compromise is needed with Democrats in order to 'win' is exactly what the GOP establishment is already doing. The only difference is that you people have decided to make a lifelong NYC Liberal Democrat your standard-bearer that you people demand everyone support and follow or get labelled an enemy of the state or a Taliban Jihadist according to your compatriots here.
We have 30-plus years of compromise with liberals in both parties that we campaigned and voted for with zilch to show for it in terms of slowing or stopping the country from becoming what it is now.
Precisely because we refused to insist on actual Conservatism and continued voting for liberals because... pragmatism and all that.
So you can continue to ridicule the rest of us for 'purity' all you like. We just laugh at you, because we're done supporting liberalism while lying to ourselves that this is what it takes to move the country to the right.
You can call that puritanical and evil as the day is long. We no longer care what you people think.
@INVAR
Conservatives failed. The "real" conservatives have been telling everyone they have the best plan for decades and yet when it comes to wielding political power they are inept and impotent. Thats FAILURE.
If the conservatives had some political clout then the Republicans would listen, heck they'd be slobbering all over Conservatives to get a leg up.
BTW the battle isn't Republicans vs Democrats. Its globalists vs nationalists.
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@Hoodat
And yet you freely lump all ATs in the same bucket.
Looking back at my actual words in previous posts, the only 'bucket' I labeled ATs in was in regard to adopting the logical fallacy that anyone who was not AT was thus NT. You were never never singled out, much less even mentioned. Yet you spring forward leveling a false accusation against me - one which you refuse to retract - and then culminating by calling me 'NT'.
Priceless.
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No. REPUBLICANS FAILED.
So you can continue to ridicule the rest of us for 'purity' all you like. We just laugh at you, because we're done supporting liberalism while lying to ourselves that this is what it takes to move the country to the right.
You can call that puritanical and evil as the day is long. We no longer care what you people think.
@INVAR I call it hopelessly negative. Who are 'you people' and who are 'we?' I hope 'we' are few in the sense you use it because that would require curling up and dying while clutching purity to your breasts.
We are in the process of getting the country back and all you can do is whine.
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I would call it a difference of opinion on how to resolve the trade imbalance.
The trade imbalance isn't a problem. Never was. All those dollars that go overseas end up being invested back into the US.
That budget wasn't perfect, but it was good.
That budget sucked. It almost doubled the deficit over Obama's last budget, gave Planned Parenthood half a billion dollars to keep its abortion clinics open, and did not cut spending in a single department. It gave the Democrats everything they asked for, and more. And no amount of Trump love is going to make that pill easy to swallow.
And when has he supported amnesty?
He campaigned on it. He has also offered support for DACA as a political carrot.
I would not call you a Never Trumper, but I would call you someone who harbors enough dislike of Trump to cause you to see liberalism where none exists. Capisce?
I have grown to like and appreciate Trump. Which is why I resent the hell out of being called NT simply because I don't agree with the positions listed above. I am not going to sugar coat tariffs as something good. Ever. They're not.
I don't have a problem with calling it as it is.
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@INVAR I call it hopelessly negative. Who are 'you people' and who are 'we?' I hope 'we' are few in the sense you use it because that would require curling up and dying while clutching purity to your breasts.
We are in the process of getting the country back and all you can do is whine.
I thought you decided to put me on Ignore for your mental well-being?
The only thing you are 'getting back' is a bigger, more intrusive Federal Beast that spent 1.5 Trillion to fund the entirety of the Democrat Agenda along with an additional 1.4 Trillion in military spending for the next two years your leader signed on February 9th. Almost 3 Trillion in money we do not have that we borrowed in debt from our grandchildren and great grandchildren if not for generations to come.
You are not doing jack shit to get the country back. All that is being 'done' is demanding everyone vote for the bigger bulldozer to punish those you want put in their place. That's it. Which given the amazing synchronicity of this week's talking points, would indicate that referencing you all as the Mob is appropriate:
Doublespeak is the hallmark of a closet leftist. Capisce?
I would not call you a Never Trumper, but I would call you someone who harbors enough dislike of Trump to cause you to see liberalism where none exists. Capisce?
Apparently the Trump Faithful have decided that you see yourselves as the Sopranos and that using Mob-tactics is the way we need to go.
Mussolini would be so proud.
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Conservatives failed. The "real" conservatives have been telling everyone they have the best plan for decades and yet when it comes to wielding political power they are inept and impotent. Thats FAILURE.
If the conservatives had some political clout then the Republicans would listen, heck they'd be slobbering all over Conservatives to get a leg up.
I admit I was wrong.
You are not as smart as I thought you were.
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I thought you decided to put me on Ignore for your mental well-being?
The only thing you are 'getting back' is a bigger, more intrusive Federal Beast that spent 1.5 Trillion to fund the entirety of the Democrat Agenda along with an additional 1.4 Trillion in military spending for the next two years your leader signed on February 9th. Almost 3 Trillion in money we do not have that we borrowed in debt from our grandchildren and great grandchildren if not for generations to come.
You are not doing jack shit to get the country back. All that is being 'done' is demanding everyone vote for the bigger bulldozer to punish those you want put in their place. That's it. Which given the amazing synchronicity of this week's talking points, would indicate that referencing you all as the Mob is appropriate:
Apparently the Trump Faithful have decided that you see yourselves as the Sopranos and that using Mob-tactics is the way we need to go.
Mussolini would be so proud.
@INVAR
Once again you are wrong, many how can you take being wrong so much of the time?
Capice was used by @Hoodat in a condescending and insulting manner. Hence he got it thrown right back at him.
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I admit I was wrong.
You are not as smart as I thought you were.
@INVAR
And here I was sitting around waiting for you to acknowledge my gigantic mental prowess.
Darn
Darn darn darn
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I'm inadvertedly starting to feel like this girl for posting this thread.
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@INVAR
Once again you are wrong, many how can you take being wrong so much of the time?
So according to you then - Trump did not sign two 700-plus BILLION dollar military spending authorizations for the next two years (30 million more than the Pentagon asked for) on February 9th of this year - and did not sign a 1.3 Trillion Dollar budget in March? 3 Trillion in spending that we do not have that was simply deficit spent??
How am I wrong exactly? Did Trump sign those spending authorizations or not?
I'm not interested in any silly Trumpsplaining you want to engage in, it is a yes or no question. Not 'but's. Yes, or no.
But somehow - in your twisted universe - that observation is wrong according to you.
How wonderfully typical.
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@INVAR
Once again you are wrong, many how can you take being wrong so much of the time?
Capice was used by @Hoodat in a condescending and insulting manner. Hence he got it thrown right back at him.
Apparently, saying the word 'understand' in Italian is now equivalent to using mob tactics.
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Apparently, saying the word 'understand' in Italian is now equivalent to using mob tactics.
I threw it right back in the manner they tossed it at you.
However, it is a word that is being used a whole lot more among Trump aficionados of late. You know, the ones who admit that they like shoving our faces in Trump every day.
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Apparently, saying the word 'understand' in Italian is now equivalent to using mob tactics.
@Hoodat
1. I didn't introduce the word 'mob'
2. typically the word is not commonly used as a replacement for 'understand'. When its used in conjunction with english it is generally understood to be demeaning and condescending. unless of course it is used among friends
3. When the word is used in conjunction with english it does generally carry mob connotations.
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I threw it right back in the manner they tossed it at you.
However, it is a word that is being used a whole lot more among Trump aficionados of late. You know, the ones who admit that they like shoving our faces in Trump every day.
@INVAR
Oh gosh the irony!!!!!!!!!!!!! @Hoodat used it
:silly: :silly: :silly: :silly: :silly: :silly: :silly:
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When the word is used in conjunction with english it does generally carry mob connotations.
BS
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https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/05/anti-trumpers-on-the-left-and-right-cant-afford-to-shun-one-another-now.html
But the group that has given me the most hope goes by the overly alliterative name of Patriots and Pragmatists.* Founded by Rachel Pritzker, the president of the Pritzker Innovation Fund, and Mike Berkowitz, principal of Third Plateau, the group originally recruited a motley crew of liberal and conservative intellectuals, activists, and philanthropists to spend three days discussing the populist threat to democracy, what those of us who remain committed to the values of our political system can do to rally to its defense, and how we might be able to calm the partisan passions that are rending the republic asunder.
I have to admit that I was, at first, a little skeptical of the effort. Since some of the participants were reluctant to be publicly identified with a group that included members on the other side of America’s deep ideological divide, the first meetings were private. (In fact, this article is the first to describe the group publicly.) And since I, too, am naturally given to certain partisan passions, I was excited to spend time with scholars such as Larry Diamond or former staffers in the Obama White House such as Ian Bassin but deeply skeptical about whether I could possibly see eye to eye with Republican operatives and movement conservatives such as Bill Kristol and Evan McMullin.
But that is exactly why the experience of spending real time talking to people with whom I continue to have deep disagreements about matters of great political importance—people who I may have written off as insincere hacks or uncultured idiots back when they criticized Barack Obama or cheered on George W. Bush—has been so meaningful. For the longer I spoke with them, the more I had to face incontrovertible evidence that some of the people whom I saw as my political enemies a few short years ago turn out to be both thoughtful and morally serious.
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