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Title: Apple Cider Vinegar Won't Cure Your Acid Reflux (or Other Digestive Woes)
Post by: rangerrebew on July 20, 2018, 01:37:39 pm
Apple Cider Vinegar Won't Cure Your Acid Reflux (or Other Digestive Woes)

There is zero scientific evidence that ACV kills bacteria anywhere in the digestive tract.
By Tamara Duker Freuman, Contributor July 17, 2018, at 11:07 a.m.
 

The Truth About Apple Cider Vinegar
 

There's nothing magical about ACV when compared to other varieties of vinegar. (Getty Images)

While it's been around for over 2,000 years, apple cider vinegar is only now enjoying its 15 minutes of fame. ACV, as it's known to fans, is increasingly touted as a veritable cure-all for ailments as far ranging as acid reflux and diarrhea to weight problems, high cholesterol and Type 2 diabetes. But if you'd assumed that this modern day surge in ACV's popularity was due to a spate of new scientific research in support of its medicinal properties … well, you'd be wrong.

All vinegars are produced when specific types of bacteria ferment specific types of alcohol. When red wine is the original alcohol that gets fermented, you wind up with red wine vinegar. Malt vinegar is derived from an ale made from barley, whereas distilled alcohol makes white vinegar. Fermenting apple cider is what gets you ACV. All varieties of vinegar contain a compound called acetic acid in some concentration, usually between 5 and 20 percent.

https://health.usnews.com/health-news/blogs/eat-run/articles/2018-07-17/apple-cider-vinegar-wont-cure-your-acid-reflux-or-other-digestive-woes
Title: Re: Apple Cider Vinegar Won't Cure Your Acid Reflux (or Other Digestive Woes)
Post by: XenaLee on July 20, 2018, 01:45:40 pm
Apple Cider Vinegar Won't Cure Your Acid Reflux (or Other Digestive Woes)

There is zero scientific evidence that ACV kills bacteria anywhere in the digestive tract.
By Tamara Duker Freuman, Contributor July 17, 2018, at 11:07 a.m.
 

The Truth About Apple Cider Vinegar
 

There's nothing magical about ACV when compared to other varieties of vinegar. (Getty Images)

While it's been around for over 2,000 years, apple cider vinegar is only now enjoying its 15 minutes of fame. ACV, as it's known to fans, is increasingly touted as a veritable cure-all for ailments as far ranging as acid reflux and diarrhea to weight problems, high cholesterol and Type 2 diabetes. But if you'd assumed that this modern day surge in ACV's popularity was due to a spate of new scientific research in support of its medicinal properties … well, you'd be wrong.

All vinegars are produced when specific types of bacteria ferment specific types of alcohol. When red wine is the original alcohol that gets fermented, you wind up with red wine vinegar. Malt vinegar is derived from an ale made from barley, whereas distilled alcohol makes white vinegar. Fermenting apple cider is what gets you ACV. All varieties of vinegar contain a compound called acetic acid in some concentration, usually between 5 and 20 percent.

https://health.usnews.com/health-news/blogs/eat-run/articles/2018-07-17/apple-cider-vinegar-wont-cure-your-acid-reflux-or-other-digestive-woes

I have read that certain factions are attempting to dismiss and even purge any and all "alternative medicine" references and sources on the internet.  Just wondering if this article is part of that new 'movement'....?   Many people rely on these home remedies now due to the skyrocketing cost of going to a doctor.  Hmm.....
Title: Re: Apple Cider Vinegar Won't Cure Your Acid Reflux (or Other Digestive Woes)
Post by: sneakypete on July 20, 2018, 03:39:43 pm
Vinegar WILL stop acid reflux dead in it's tracks if it is due to some dietary deficiency.  I know this to be a fact because I use it for that purpose occasionally.

Some people just drink a cap full from the top of the bottle,but I go to a local stop and rob and buy some of their salad.

It also works great for removing rust.
Title: Re: Apple Cider Vinegar Won't Cure Your Acid Reflux (or Other Digestive Woes)
Post by: jmyrlefuller on July 21, 2018, 01:15:18 am
Seriously, who thinks fighting acid with acid is going to work?
Title: Re: Apple Cider Vinegar Won't Cure Your Acid Reflux (or Other Digestive Woes)
Post by: RoosGirl on July 21, 2018, 01:20:49 am
Seriously, who thinks fighting acid with acid is going to work?

Seriously, sometimes acid reflux is from too little stomach acid.  I also have used vinegar in place of Tums and it definitely helps.
Title: Re: Apple Cider Vinegar Won't Cure Your Acid Reflux (or Other Digestive Woes)
Post by: goodwithagun on July 21, 2018, 01:32:23 am
Which pharmaceutical company paid for this study?
Title: Re: Apple Cider Vinegar Won't Cure Your Acid Reflux (or Other Digestive Woes)
Post by: Wingnut on July 21, 2018, 01:37:54 am
Pickle Juice.  Screw that apple cider shit.

Two pulls out of dill pickle juice and you are good to go.
Title: Re: Apple Cider Vinegar Won't Cure Your Acid Reflux (or Other Digestive Woes)
Post by: RoosGirl on July 21, 2018, 01:54:57 am
Pickle Juice.  Screw that apple cider shit.

Two pulls out of dill pickle juice and you are good to go.

Vinegar that tastes better than vinegar!
Title: Re: Apple Cider Vinegar Won't Cure Your Acid Reflux (or Other Digestive Woes)
Post by: Wingnut on July 21, 2018, 02:09:47 am
Vinegar that tastes better than vinegar!

Don't drink the douche water.
Title: Re: Apple Cider Vinegar Won't Cure Your Acid Reflux (or Other Digestive Woes)
Post by: RoosGirl on July 21, 2018, 02:22:35 am
Don't drink the douche water.

And don't douche with the dill?
Title: Re: Apple Cider Vinegar Won't Cure Your Acid Reflux (or Other Digestive Woes)
Post by: Wingnut on July 21, 2018, 02:25:02 am
And don't douche with the dill?

You must.  You are such a sour puss.
Title: Re: Apple Cider Vinegar Won't Cure Your Acid Reflux (or Other Digestive Woes)
Post by: RoosGirl on July 21, 2018, 02:31:43 am
You must.  You are such a sour puss.

LOL
Title: Re: Apple Cider Vinegar Won't Cure Your Acid Reflux (or Other Digestive Woes)
Post by: Wingnut on July 21, 2018, 02:32:35 am
LOL

You saw what I did there?   :beer:
Title: Re: Apple Cider Vinegar Won't Cure Your Acid Reflux (or Other Digestive Woes)
Post by: RoosGirl on July 21, 2018, 02:34:33 am
You saw what I did there?   :beer:

You're speaking my speak.
Title: Re: Apple Cider Vinegar Won't Cure Your Acid Reflux (or Other Digestive Woes)
Post by: Wingnut on July 21, 2018, 02:43:22 am
You're speaking my speak.

So, you are saying, quitting me is hard?
Title: Re: Apple Cider Vinegar Won't Cure Your Acid Reflux (or Other Digestive Woes)
Post by: RoosGirl on July 21, 2018, 02:48:01 am
So, you are saying, quitting me is hard?

You sure you want to be associated with that quote?
Title: Re: Apple Cider Vinegar Won't Cure Your Acid Reflux (or Other Digestive Woes)
Post by: Wingnut on July 21, 2018, 02:49:36 am
You sure you want to be associated with that quote?

Till the day we die.
Title: Re: Apple Cider Vinegar Won't Cure Your Acid Reflux (or Other Digestive Woes)
Post by: sneakypete on July 21, 2018, 03:37:08 am
Seriously, who thinks fighting acid with acid is going to work?

@jmyrlefuller

I have no idea,and it is irrelevant because Acid Reflux is caused by a LACK of acid in your digestive system.
Title: Re: Apple Cider Vinegar Won't Cure Your Acid Reflux (or Other Digestive Woes)
Post by: Sighlass on July 21, 2018, 03:51:08 am
@jmyrlefuller

I have no idea,and it is irrelevant because Acid Reflux is caused by a LACK of acid in your digestive system.

What? As a person that will literally throw up acid if not for acid pump inhibitor pills, I call bs on that statement.
Title: Re: Apple Cider Vinegar Won't Cure Your Acid Reflux (or Other Digestive Woes)
Post by: roamer_1 on July 21, 2018, 04:08:59 am
What? As a person that will literally throw up acid if not for acid pump inhibitor pills, I call bs on that statement.

Yup it works. I think because it actually raises acidity, the stomach quits making more. Chia seeds swallowed will absorb acid, charcoal from the fire will neutralize it...

All three work, for different reasons... one will work for you.
Title: Re: Apple Cider Vinegar Won't Cure Your Acid Reflux (or Other Digestive Woes)
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on July 21, 2018, 10:31:14 am
Complete idiots believe this bullshit, that's who. Apple cider vinegar does nothing.

Now prescription omeprazale, that's good stuff.
Title: Re: Apple Cider Vinegar Won't Cure Your Acid Reflux (or Other Digestive Woes)
Post by: roamer_1 on July 21, 2018, 01:25:19 pm
Complete idiots believe this bullshit, that's who. Apple cider vinegar does nothing.

Now prescription omeprazale, that's good stuff.

I was on 2 hits of Prilosec a day for nearly a decade... Diagnosed acid reflux with erosion of the throat and an operation pending...  Increased vinegar in my diet solved the problem. I no longer take prilosec at all. So sorry pal, but you are stone dead wrong.
Title: Re: Apple Cider Vinegar Won't Cure Your Acid Reflux (or Other Digestive Woes)
Post by: sneakypete on July 21, 2018, 01:46:40 pm
What? As a person that will literally throw up acid if not for acid pump inhibitor pills, I call bs on that statement.

@Signlass

Call BS all day long if you don't mind being wrong.

I don't know about apple vinegar specifically because I only buy white vinegar,but why not eat something with vinegar in it before you start screaming other people don't know what they are talking about>

Or just buy a bottle and drink a half a cap full and see what happens?

It seems like I had acid reflux half the time when I was a kid. Heartburn off the scales. Didn't discover Rolaids until I was around 12 and somebody told me about them. From that day to a few years ago I never had less than 2 packs of Rolaids on me at any time. I just couldn't afford to run out.

Then someone suggested I try vinegar maybe 10 years ago,and I quit buying Rolaids. Vinegar is more direct and longer lasting.

I keep a gallon of white vinegar around all the time because I use it to remove rust from small antique auto parts,or for emergency acid reflux use. I mostly go to a local stop and rob and buy a serving of their macaroni salad when my stomach starts feeling queasy these days.

You need acid in your stomach to help you digest food. When your stomach acid runs low the food starts to rot in your stomach instead of dissolve,and that's where the burning comes from.

You can believe me or continue to suffer because you would rather suffer than try a simple solution. Your choice.
Title: Re: Apple Cider Vinegar Won't Cure Your Acid Reflux (or Other Digestive Woes)
Post by: sneakypete on July 21, 2018, 01:48:05 pm
Complete idiots believe this bullshit, that's who. Apple cider vinegar does nothing.

Now prescription omeprazale, that's good stuff.

@Weird Tolkienish Figure

Yeah,we prefer to believe our lying bodies,and SMART people spend big bucks for prescription drugs that do the same thing.

Good call!
Title: Re: Apple Cider Vinegar Won't Cure Your Acid Reflux (or Other Digestive Woes)
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on July 21, 2018, 02:20:11 pm
I was on 2 hits of Prilosec a day for nearly a decade... Diagnosed acid reflux with erosion of the throat and an operation pending...  Increased vinegar in my diet solved the problem. I no longer take prilosec at all. So sorry pal, but you are stone dead wrong.

I tried it multiple times it makes it worse.
Title: Re: Apple Cider Vinegar Won't Cure Your Acid Reflux (or Other Digestive Woes)
Post by: RoosGirl on July 21, 2018, 03:30:12 pm
I tried it multiple times it makes it worse.

It does work for some peopke.  There is an actual medical condition where people don't produce enough stomcah acid.  Those are the people the ACV helps. Maybe try the chia seed that roamer suggested. Beats the hell out of all the side effects of meds if the chia works for you.  Plus you can grow a beautiful garden in your gut.

I get why chia may work for people who produce too much stomach acid and if you've ever cooked or gardened with it you would too.  It soaks up and holds liquid in a weird bubble, for lack of a better word, around itself.
Title: Re: Apple Cider Vinegar Won't Cure Your Acid Reflux (or Other Digestive Woes)
Post by: sneakypete on July 21, 2018, 04:04:13 pm
@Weird Tolkienish Figure   @RoosGirl

Quote
Those are the people the ACV helps.

It needs to be said that I have never used Apple Cider Vinegar in my life. Only white vinegar.

There may be a difference,and there may not be a difference when it comes to acid reflux relief. I don't know. I do know that if you have tried the Apple Cider Vinegar and it doesn't work for you,you need to try the White Vinegar and see if it works.
Title: Re: Apple Cider Vinegar Won't Cure Your Acid Reflux (or Other Digestive Woes)
Post by: RoosGirl on July 21, 2018, 04:25:11 pm
@Weird Tolkienish Figure   @RoosGirl

It needs to be said that I have never used Apple Cider Vinegar in my life. Only white vinegar.

There may be a difference,and there may not be a difference when it comes to acid reflux relief. I don't know. I do know that if you have tried the Apple Cider Vinegar and it doesn't work for you,you need to try the White Vinegar and see if it works.

I doubt there's anything magic about ACV versus any other type of vinegar.  I think it's just the addition of something acid for those people who don't produce enough stomach acid.  But whatever, I'm all about finding something at home that will work for me instead of going to the doctor for every little thing and being put on meds.  Some people are the opposite.
Title: Re: Apple Cider Vinegar Won't Cure Your Acid Reflux (or Other Digestive Woes)
Post by: TomSea on July 21, 2018, 04:30:01 pm
Some say get organic apple cider vinegar fermented with the "mother" like Bragg's, for the record, there is a much less costlier version of the same thing now. But I'm not sure if this is pertinent to acid reflux. They like to say this has a lot of benefits.

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Title: Re: Apple Cider Vinegar Won't Cure Your Acid Reflux (or Other Digestive Woes)
Post by: roamer_1 on July 21, 2018, 11:20:46 pm
I tried it multiple times it makes it worse.

Pay mind to the dose.
Next time, rather than a hit of straight vinegar, Try eating a salad with a vinaigrette dressing, or eat a kosher dill.

I don't take vinegar shots very often (against stomach acid), though I do take a vinegar based tonic in the summer, and fire cider shots in the winter to aid health and prevent sickness...

I did dose with vinegar to begin with to prove the point, but in practice, I just greatly increased consumption of vinegary foods and fermented foods.

I might note the vegetable increase that brought - I was pretty much on a diet of bread, meat, potatoes, and cheese - I still eat those things with great relish, but at least half of what I shove down my throat is now vegetables of some kind.

Another aspect is stress - I carry my stress in my belly, and that causes an acid churn too. It took a total crash and burn for me to learn, but stress management can be another key thing. For me, that meant a lifestyle change back to my hillbilly roots, which I know is good. No more high pressure job, no more chasing the almighty buck... Now my mind is always set toward what I need to do to get back up into the sticks, which is where my particular peace lies.

One way or another, I found that continuing to mask the symptoms was enabling me to continue in the way that was killing me, and the 'medicine' was stealing the treasure I was chasing anyway.

Title: Re: Apple Cider Vinegar Won't Cure Your Acid Reflux (or Other Digestive Woes)
Post by: roamer_1 on July 21, 2018, 11:29:00 pm
I get why chia may work for people who produce too much stomach acid and if you've ever cooked or gardened with it you would too.  It soaks up and holds liquid in a weird bubble, for lack of a better word, around itself.

Almost literally frog's eggs when added to water. I can't eat em that way, though they work as a thickener - You can make jam with em, just adding to a fruit mash...

Great for hot days - eat a teaspoon of em and chug down a quart of water... makes your belly full, and retains the water in a slow release fashion through digestion.
Title: Re: Apple Cider Vinegar Won't Cure Your Acid Reflux (or Other Digestive Woes)
Post by: roamer_1 on July 21, 2018, 11:36:28 pm
@Weird Tolkienish Figure   @RoosGirl

It needs to be said that I have never used Apple Cider Vinegar in my life. Only white vinegar.


Don't eat that crap... Clean with it, sure, but don't eat it.
You can get a gallon of organic apple cider vinegar (with the mother) for $5-10.
The reason for the mother is that it shows it ain't tainted. A live mother says it's pure apple cider vinegar.