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General Category => Editorial/Opinion/Blogs => Topic started by: mystery-ak on January 20, 2018, 02:24:41 pm
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By Mollie Ziegler Hemingway January 19 at 7:56 PM
This may seem like an odd moment for saying so, but a year into the presidency of Donald Trump, I’m elated.
Trump was not my first or even second choice for president, but a full two years ago I predicted he would win. I also predicted he’d be a progressive president, which explained why I was not among his supporters and why I am so pleased now.
Expecting Progressive Trump was a reasonable assumption. Trump supported the 2009 stimulus, the auto bailouts and the bank bailouts. He’d recently left the Democratic Party and had raised a ton of money for the Clintons, Nancy Pelosi and Charles E. Schumer. He’d supported single-payer health coverage, tax increases and even Planned Parenthood.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/i-wasnt-a-trump-supporter-i-am-now/2018/01/19/58abd43a-fca2-11e7-a46b-a3614530bd87_story.html?utm_term=.56b6de1a9c32 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/i-wasnt-a-trump-supporter-i-am-now/2018/01/19/58abd43a-fca2-11e7-a46b-a3614530bd87_story.html?utm_term=.56b6de1a9c32)
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Excellent article.
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I think I've read this same article 20 different times by 20 different "authors".
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Entire Article here (WaPo) has a paywall.
https://wentworthreport.com/2018/01/20/i-wasnt-a-trump-supporter-i-am-now/ (https://wentworthreport.com/2018/01/20/i-wasnt-a-trump-supporter-i-am-now/)
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I don’t think I’ll ever approve of trumps style but I certainly feel camaraderie when he’s viciously attacked and lied about.
And I did vote for him.
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It really is an insightful article from Mollie BUT
FTA:
In early June, Trump announced the U.S. departure from the Paris climate accord, an agreement that would have had virtually no impact on future temperatures but would have come at a large cost in the growth of government and control over the economy. Since Obama never ran the treaty through the Senate, it was nonbinding, but the federal bureaucracy was working to implement it with new regulations on U.S. businesses. Critics on the right say Trump just does what other Republican candidates would have done. Yet the previous Republican presidential nominee, Mitt Romney, lobbied Trump to stay in the global agreement. …
Comparing yourself to anything 'Mitt' is a losing proposition.
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No card carrying Conservative would EVER support this Trojan Horse republican.
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I think I've read this same article 20 different times by 20 different "authors".
On this site alone! I wrote several myself.
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I think I've read this same article 20 different times by 20 different "authors".
Yep. They keep doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result each time.
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On this site alone! I wrote several myself.
Good job, Mollie.
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I don’t think I’ll ever approve of trumps style but I certainly feel camaraderie when he’s viciously attacked and lied about.
And I did vote for him.
Like our friend @Bigun is apt to say, "You are so FOS!!"
You're so 'pure'. Just like Ivory Soap, in that 99.4% of your posts mentioning/about Donald/President Trump are of the 'pure' NT variety.
The rest is nothing but a fantasy between your ears.
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@DCPatriot Do you have a point about the article or are you just trying to start an argument again by insulting someone?
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@DCPatriot Do you have a point about the article or are you just trying to start an argument again by insulting someone?
As predictable as the sun rising in the east.
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@DCPatriot Do you have a point about the article or are you just trying to start an argument again by insulting someone?
@RoosGirl
Looking for someone to spank?
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@RoosGirl
Looking for someone to spank?
I already told you my schedule was full. Stop begging.
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I already told you my schedule was full. Stop begging.
Oh I stopped. Begging in high school
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You're so 'pure'. Just like Ivory Soap, in that 99.4% of your posts mentioning/about Donald/President Trump are of the 'pure' NT variety.
The rest is nothing but a fantasy between your ears.
It's not enough to have voted for Trump, but as we see once again here demonstrated - one must always worship and praise Trump in spirit and truth to be considered an American and NOT a NT "Traitor" and enemy of the country according to the Trump Chorus.
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No card carrying Conservative would EVER support this Trojan Horse republican.
I'll go with the views of the unborn in this case. Same old dance, huh?
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It's not enough to have voted for Trump, but as we see once again here demonstrated - one must always worship and praise Trump in spirit and truth to be considered an American and NOT a NT "Traitor" and enemy of the country according to the Trump Chorus.
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Well, INVAR my friend, if you like seeing terrorists cut people's heads off, by all means, continue your cynicism.
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Like our friend @Bigun is apt to say, "You are so FOS!!"
You're so 'pure'. Just like Ivory Soap, in that 99.4% of your posts mentioning/about Donald/President Trump are of the 'pure' NT variety.
The rest is nothing but a fantasy between your ears.
I think WTF is honest here. As I recall he/she did go back and forth for a short time there before the election, but did eventually settle on pulling the lever for Our Orange Overlord. ^-^
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Well, INVAR my friend, if you like seeing terrorists cut people's heads off, by all means, continue your cynicism.
Oh yes, because praising and worshipping Trump in song and sonnet and with positive vibes uttered constantly on an internet discussion board is going to magically empower Trump to end terrorism by the breath of his mouth.
So Trump is easily killed by cynicism according to you. Hell, it takes Kryptonite to kill Superman.
Amazing what a pathetically weak superhero you believe in.
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I'll go with the views of the unborn in this case. Same old dance, huh?
How was the March for Life? Were you really cold?
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This is aligncare critical of Trump 888buttkisser
...and here he is with three buddies in bitch session about Trump
:da man:
...and here with his neighbors
:media:
Trump Trump Trump Trump...
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We are now in the 2nd or 3rd day of the 4 page memo, with no traction on this site.
Would be nice to look to this site, for the story. And meaningful discussion.
#releasethememo
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We are now in the 2nd or 3rd day of the 4 page memo, with no traction on this site.
Would be nice to look to this site, for the story. And meaningful discussion.
#releasethememo
Are you suggesting that that is the only thing we should be commenting on now? Is there any new information after 4 days that we should know about? Or should we be waiting to see what happens?
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I think WTF is honest here. As I recall he/she did go back and forth for a short time there before the election, but did eventually settle on pulling the lever for Our Orange Overlord. ^-^
Ty aligncare. Shame that dcpatriot is such a miserable hunan being that he has to attack me even when I might agree with him.
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Ty aligncare. Shame that dcpatriot is such a miserable hunan being that he has to attack me even when I might agree with him.
QFT
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By Mollie Ziegler Hemingway January 19 at 7:56 PM
This may seem like an odd moment for saying so, but a year into the presidency of Donald Trump, I’m elated.
Trump was not my first or even second choice for president, but a full two years ago I predicted he would win. I also predicted he’d be a progressive president, which explained why I was not among his supporters and why I am so pleased now.
Expecting Progressive Trump was a reasonable assumption. Trump supported the 2009 stimulus, the auto bailouts and the bank bailouts. He’d recently left the Democratic Party and had raised a ton of money for the Clintons, Nancy Pelosi and Charles E. Schumer. He’d supported single-payer health coverage, tax increases and even Planned Parenthood.
more
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/i-wasnt-a-trump-supporter-i-am-now/2018/01/19/58abd43a-fca2-11e7-a46b-a3614530bd87_story.html?utm_term=.56b6de1a9c32 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/i-wasnt-a-trump-supporter-i-am-now/2018/01/19/58abd43a-fca2-11e7-a46b-a3614530bd87_story.html?utm_term=.56b6de1a9c32)
She gets it. Good! If more people in her position start to understand what is going on,Trump will have a lock on a second term despite the RNC trying to stab him in the back.
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No card carrying Conservative would EVER support this Trojan Horse republican.
@catfish1957
Yeah,you just keep telling yourself that,bubba,
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I was a Trump supporter before I wasn't, and then I changed my mind again.
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@DCPatriot Do you have a point about the article or are you just trying to start an argument again by insulting someone?
ROFL! Get out of my face. YOU!! Of all people 'round here? *****rollingeyes*****
What has always been considered 'normal' conversation...ie, challenging somebody else's post....now has to be called out??
The Title, by itself, will start arguments.
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@RoosGirl
Looking for someone to spank?
She's so GD transparent.....takes all the fun out of it.
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Ty aligncare. Shame that dcpatriot is such a miserable hunan being that he has to attack me even when I might agree with him.
Link me to 12 of your recent posts since.....Thanksgiving 2017, where you give the slightest hint of praise for, or defense of, the POTUS.
Hell....even make it 2016. *****rollingeyes*****
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ROFL! Get out of my face. YOU!! Of all people 'round here? *****rollingeyes*****
What has always been considered 'normal' conversation...ie, challenging somebody else's post....now has to be called out??
The Title, by itself, will start arguments.
"You're so 'pure'. Just like Ivory Soap, in that 99.4% of your posts mentioning/about Donald/President Trump are of the 'pure' NT variety.
The rest is nothing but a fantasy between your ears."
You call that "normal" challenging someone's post? Perhaps that is the place to start... Absolutely nothing to do with the thread. You mock, name call and call him empty headed all on one go - without a single word about the actual article or the position stated... Your response is 100% personal attack and nothing more. The irony is too much...
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I was a Trump supporter before I wasn't, and then I changed my mind again.
Frank, I thought that was supposed to be only a woman's prerogative... You got some "tendencies" going on there... You transing on us?
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posted by WTF:
I don’t think I’ll ever approve of trumps style but I certainly feel camaraderie when he’s viciously attacked and lied about.
And I did vote for him.[/b]
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"You're so 'pure'. Just like Ivory Soap, in that 99.4% of your posts mentioning/about Donald/President Trump are of the 'pure' NT variety.
The rest is nothing but a fantasy between your ears."
You call that "normal" challenging someone's post? Perhaps that is the place to start... Absolutely nothing to do with the thread. You mock, name call and call him empty headed all on one go - without a single word about the actual article or the position stated... Your response is 100% personal attack and nothing more. The irony is too much...
Came to the thread....read the exerpt...started to read the comments and THAT...above jumped off the page.
If I had been drinking coffee, I'd have spit it up.
Anybody who's been around here since July 2015 and December 2016 can tell just what he thinks of 'Candidate' Trump AND 'President-elect' Trump. He attacked him relentlessly.
And 2017? Not much different.
It was IMPOSSIBLE for me to pass that post without commenting as I did.
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Link me to 12 of your recent posts since.....Thanksgiving 2017, where you give the slightest hint of praise for, or defense of, the POTUS.
Hell....even make it 2016. *****rollingeyes*****
Well I only said he/she voted right; but beyond that I can’t vouch for his loyalty. So, WTF are you a loyal supporter? Did you take the loyalty oath AND renew it monthly, as required by Master? Hmm? Have you?
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Well I only said he/she voted right; but beyond that I can’t vouch for his loyalty. So, WTF are you a loyal supporter? Did you take the loyalty oath AND renew it monthly, as required by Master? Hmm? Have you?
Not looking for anybody to give a "loyalty oath".
I'm just not going to let somebody like that take a crap on the floor without sticking his nose in it.
After you had left for awhile, we got into each other's faces many times during the time leading up to the Election.
He has no credibility with me.
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Not looking for anybody to give a "loyalty oath".
I'm just not going to let somebody like that take a crap on the floor without sticking his nose in it.
After you had left for awhile, we got into each other's faces many times during the time leading up to the Election.
He has no credibility with me.
Only in your bleep up little world is someone saying they feel camaraderie with someone that is being attacked and lied about "taking a crap on the floor". You've made it abundantly clear that you have no use for any of us that might have something positive to say about Trump now if we didn't support him from the beginning. We heard you, okay? We know your opinion of those types of people. It's time to get over it and move on. Everyone here is tired of the bullshit.
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You've made it abundantly clear that you have no use for any of us that might have something positive to say about Trump now if we didn't support him from the beginning. We heard you, okay? We know your opinion of those types of people.
EXACTLY!
The difference sir, is that I embrace the hatred I have for the likes of you and your ilk here on the forum.
I don't deny it.
You, OTOH, get your panties all twisted, because your "hatred" of Pres. Trump...AND his supporters...has been on full display here for all to see.
Trump's rabid fanbase is why Trump will get not a single hint of praise, or defense from the likes of me, even if I do agree with anything he says or does.
As you noted, they have made it verboten to agree with Trump publicly unless we were rabid supporters from the beginning OR - we make groveling public confessions of our sinful error for not recognizing and acknowledging Trump's messianic and divine power and not having vociferously supported and voted for him BOTH in the primaries and the General.
Since I refuse to make such penance to the approval of Trump's fanatics, I refrain from making any kind of positive remarks about their leader. I will only make sure I post the negative ones, since any agreement from us is unwanted and despised.
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Only in your bleep up little world is someone saying they feel camaraderie with someone that is being attacked and lied about "taking a crap on the floor". You've made it abundantly clear that you have no use for any of us that might have something positive to say about Trump now if we didn't support him from the beginning. We heard you, okay? We know your opinion of those types of people. It's time to get over it and move on. Everyone here is tired of the bullshit.
While I certainly don't agree, I'm not going to engage you, @RoosGirl
Have a pleasant afternoon.
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EXACTLY!
Trump's rabid fanbase is why Trump will get not a single hint of praise, or defense from the likes of me, even if I do agree with anything he says or does.
As you noted, they have made it verboten to agree with Trump publicly unless we were rabid supporters from the beginning OR - we make groveling public confessions of our sinful error for not recognizing and acknowledging Trump's messianic and divine power and not having vociferously supported and voted for him BOTH in the primaries and the General.
Since I refuse to make such penance to the approval of Trump's fanatics, I refrain from making any kind of positive remarks about their leader. I will only make sure I post the negative ones, since any agreement from us is unwanted and despised.
Fascinating to see such an effect on you.
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Frank, I thought that was supposed to be only a woman's prerogative... You got some "tendencies" going on there... You transing on us?
I transed once years ago when I got called up by a hypnotist for his act. I was told he made me bark like a dog, but I have no recollection of that.
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I, for one, have decided to simply embrace the suck (well, maybe just for today).
Anyway, for every action Trump takes that defy his critics, their criticisms lose credibility and the numbers of NeverTrumpers decline (Rule of Acquisition #123).
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Fascinating to see such an effect on you.
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DC you have a lot of "free rent," in some members' heads !! Nice work.
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EXACTLY!
Trump's rabid fanbase is why Trump will get not a single hint of praise, or defense from the likes of me, even if I do agree with anything he says or does.
As you noted, they have made it verboten to agree with Trump publicly unless we were rabid supporters from the beginning OR - we make groveling public confessions of our sinful error for not recognizing and acknowledging Trump's messianic and divine power and not having vociferously supported and voted for him BOTH in the primaries and the General.
Since I refuse to make such penance to the approval of Trump's fanatics, I refrain from making any kind of positive remarks about their leader. I will only make sure I post the negative ones, since any agreement from us is unwanted and despised.
@INVAR
Yeah,you just go ahead and keep telling yourself that's why you do what you do.
I'm betting you will "feel the bern" in 2020.
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I don’t think I’ll ever approve of trumps style but I certainly feel camaraderie when he’s viciously attacked and lied about.
And I did vote for him.
Meh. His own vicious attacks counteract any camaraderie in me... Good for the goose... Just desserts.
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@INVAR
Yeah,you just go ahead and keep telling yourself that's why you do what you do.
I'm betting you will "feel the bern" in 2020.
Is "keep telling yourself" the only 3 words in your vocabulary? :silly:
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Meh. His own vicious attacks counteract any camaraderie in me... Good for the goose... Just desserts.
Just dessert seems unhealthy to me. You really need to round out a diet.
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Just dessert seems unhealthy to me. You really need to round out a diet.
Slow day, eh Frank?
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Slow day, eh Frank?
I say you deserve all the dessert you want if you're eating those nasty ass fish cakes. ;)
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Fascinating to see such an effect on you.
You people should be thrilled. I'm placating to your demands on this one and only thing, because you have worked so hard to insist upon it and so rightfully earned it for you and your leader.
You've done wonders to isolate your MAGA Prince from earning any future support from those of us who did not support Trump in the election and were simply going to applaud when he did something well, and excoriate him when he acts contrary to our principles. You people made it clear that is not good enough.
Well okay.... and Congrats. You should be proud of your achievement; sparing the Donald from having any fair-weather doubting Thomas support. Only TRUE BELIEVERS for Trump!
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Is "keep telling yourself" the only 3 words in your vocabulary? :silly:
@catfish1957
Well,I did have to dumb it down to the Party Pod Person level,
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I say you deserve all the dessert you want if you're eating those nasty ass fish cakes. ;)
Had em again just the other day.... only made from Perch (kinda like Sunfish/crappie... Do y'all have perch down that way?)- I had cooked up a mess of them, but got caught on the phone... So I redid em up into fishcakes and they were great! Still not as good as with the smoked trout tho.
And you can cuss my fish cakes all you want... I am still of a mind that just about anything can be put in a corn batter and throwed in a cast iron pan... jussayin.
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I say you deserve all the dessert you want if you're eating those nasty ass fish cakes. ;)
@RoosGirl
Fish cakes? *perk*
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Had em again just the other day.... only made from Perch (kinda like Sunfish/crappie... Do y'all have perch down that way?)- I had cooked up a mess of them, but got caught on the phone... So I redid em up into fishcakes and they were great! Still not as good as with the smoked trout tho.
And you can cuss my fish cakes all you want... I am still of a mind that just about anything can be put in a corn batter and throwed in a cast iron pan... jussayin.
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I grew up salt water fishing, so I know more about those type than fresh water. I know we have what we call a silver perch, but I doubt it's the same thing y'all have.
http://myfwc.com/wildlifehabitats/profiles/saltwater/drums/silver-perch/ (http://myfwc.com/wildlifehabitats/profiles/saltwater/drums/silver-perch/)
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I grew up salt water fishing, so I know more about those type than fresh water. I know we have what we call a silver perch, but I doubt it's the same thing y'all have.
http://myfwc.com/wildlifehabitats/profiles/saltwater/drums/silver-perch/ (http://myfwc.com/wildlifehabitats/profiles/saltwater/drums/silver-perch/)
Nope. Yellow Perch (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_perch)
Backwater and pond/swamp fish... Bass, sunfish, bluegill environment... kinda little. Most pan-sized though they get upward of a couple pounds around here. Usually a mess of them to make a meal. Good eating for a white-meat fish.
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corbe wrote:
"Entire Article here (WaPo) has a paywall"
That's funny, I went to the WaPo site just to check, and no paywall for me.
I'm going to -guess- that their site is set up this way:
1. You visit the site for the first time -- no paywall
2. BUT... the WaPo website "puts a cookie" in your browser with "a timer" on it
3. You visit their site a few more times, still no paywall, BUT...
4. ...after a certain number of visits, the timer built into the cookie is reached.
5. From this point on, you aren't permitted to see any more articles (or perhaps just certain articles) unless you pay.
How to get around this?
(following method works for other sites as well)
Do this:
Install a "cookie manager" for your browser that deletes unwanted cookies at periodic intervals (such as when you quit your browser).
On the Mac I use either "Safari Cookies" or "Cookie" (depending on the OS version installed).
With either of these, I can "whitelist" cookies that I want to be kept -- and all others will be deleted.
Set up this way, news web sites will ALWAYS "see you" as visiting for the very first time, and will let you read articles without paying or subscribing.
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You are absolutely correct about the cookies @Fishrrman many sites do that. I am on a Win10/Edge box tonight (not my usual setup) though, I have found If you do a simple search on the actual title you'll get similar results without the paywall of WP/NYT and similar $hit sites with rare good content.
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corbe wrote:
"Entire Article here (WaPo) has a paywall"
That's funny, I went to the WaPo site just to check, and no paywall for me.
I'm going to -guess- that their site is set up this way:
1. You visit the site for the first time -- no paywall
2. BUT... the WaPo website "puts a cookie" in your browser with "a timer" on it
3. You visit their site a few more times, still no paywall, BUT...
4. ...after a certain number of visits, the timer built into the cookie is reached.
5. From this point on, you aren't permitted to see any more articles (or perhaps just certain articles) unless you pay.
How to get around this?
(following method works for other sites as well)
Do this:
Install a "cookie manager" for your browser that deletes unwanted cookies at periodic intervals (such as when you quit your browser).
On the Mac I use either "Safari Cookies" or "Cookie" (depending on the OS version installed).
With either of these, I can "whitelist" cookies that I want to be kept -- and all others will be deleted.
Set up this way, news web sites will ALWAYS "see you" as visiting for the very first time, and will let you read articles without paying or subscribing.
Another way to do it is use a different browser than your normal browser just for those sites and delete all the cookies on it from time to time reseting your visit count.
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You people should be thrilled. I'm placating to your demands on this one and only thing, because you have worked so hard to insist upon it and so rightfully earned it for you and your leader.
ROFL! "...because you worked so hard to insist on it"? "..rightfully earned it"?
Because I posted once or twice over the course of 2 plus years that enough "blue dogs" from the union States...registered DEMS, would cross over and nullify withholding your own vote? And that we wouldn't need your GD support!
Guess what? I stand by it.
You've done wonders to isolate your MAGA Prince from earning any future support from those of us who did not support Trump in the election and were simply going to applaud when he did something well, and excoriate him when he acts contrary to our principles. You people made it clear that is not good enough.
Well okay.... and Congrats. You should be proud of your achievement; sparing the Donald from having any fair-weather doubting Thomas support. Only TRUE BELIEVERS for Trump!
I'm convinced that you're here simply for comedic effect.
Good stuff, @INVAR !! 888high58888
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You're a nasty, disgusting human being DCPatriot. You should be ashamed of yourself.
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You're a nasty, disgusting human being DCPatriot. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Hold on there. As I recall, a lot of nasty stuff was being thrown around during the primaries and beyond on both sides, and some of that nastiness continues to this day.
DCP is a friend, not just to me, but to this place, he doesn’t deserve that insult. And as I recall, you’ve said some intemperate things yourself back then about others members. If I’m wrong about that feel free to correct me.
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DCP is a friend, not just to me, but to this place,
I like DCP, we can talk baseball infinium.
You on the other hand........
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Trump's rabid fanbase is why Trump will get not a single hint of praise, or defense from the likes of me, even if I do agree with anything he says or does.
Just let this sink in.
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I like DCP, we can talk baseball infinium.
You on the other hand........
I mostly try to add to these discussions by giving my full throated support to President Trump, support that I come by honestly. If I can avoid it, I usually don’t single out individual members here for criticism. I save my open fire for generic NeverTrumpers in the abstract.
If however someone here that self identifies as NeverTrump is insulted by my support of the president, that’s not on me. I will continue to give the president my unqualified support for as long as he continues to push a conservative pro life agenda.
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Hold on there. As I recall, a lot of nasty stuff was being thrown around during the primaries and beyond on both sides, and some of that nastiness continues to this day.
DCP is a friend, not just to me, but to this place, he doesn’t deserve that insult. And as I recall, you’ve said some intemperate things yourself back then about others members. If I’m wrong about that feel free to correct me.
DCP is not a friend to TBR.
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DCP is not a friend to TBR.
I'm sure he meant it in a god way when he called new members "cockroaches".
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DCP is not a friend to TBR.
The hell I'm not. I've got nothing BUT the best interests of the forum at heart.
Pay attention. Virtually every member that was banned...and I don't mean 'suspended'...I predicted it would happen to their face.
Coincidence? No likely. Having spent over a decade with people, you get to know where their bar is set.
Now all of a sudden I'm "..not a friend to TBR"? Why? Because I point out your shit stinks? *****rollingeyes*****
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The hell I'm not. I've got nothing BUT the best interests of the forum at heart.
Pay attention. Virtually every member that was banned...and I don't mean 'suspended'...I predicted it would happen to their face.
Coincidence? No likely. Having spent over a decade with people, you get to know where their bar is set.
Now all of a sudden I'm "..not a friend to TBR"? Why? Because I point out your shit stinks? *****rollingeyes*****
I'm still here Jackson.
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DCP is not a friend to TBR.
DCP isn't a bad guy but he IS a REALLY sore winner.
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I'm sure he meant it in a god way when he called new members "cockroaches".
This post/poster provides purrfect context to my "cockroach" comment. :patriot:
Your shtick is to be the 3rd man in, @RoosGirl !
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DCP isn't a bad guy but he IS a REALLY sore winner.
Thanks, Earl. Hope you've taken me off "ignore" again. :laugh:
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I'm still here Jackson.
I don't recall every saying you should be banned. Why not have your buddy look it up for us?
All I recall saying is that you and "wingnut" were solely responsible for TBR taking on an R rating.
I have a grudging respect for you, Frank. Perhaps, it's because your style may mirror Pres. Trump's? :laugh:
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I don't recall every saying you should be banned. Why not have your buddy look it up for us?
All I recall saying is that you and "wingnut" were solely responsible for TBR taking on an R rating.
I have a grudging respect for you, Frank. Perhaps, it's because your style may mirror Pres. Trump's? :laugh:
You forget when I called you the lowest of lows and most disgusting thing anyone ever called anyone here.........a simpleton?
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Just let this sink in.
Wasn't there another poster the other day that said the same exact thing?
...that they couldn't vote for Trump at this point, even if he did something they loved....because we once told them we didn't need them?
@Right_in_Virginia the jokes write themselves, it seems. :laugh:
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I'm sorry but I just feel that DCP is an unwelcoming, negative individual, who has attacked me out of nowhere.
How is that "being a friend" to TBR?
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I'm sorry but I just feel that DCP is an unwelcoming, negative individual, who has attacked me out of nowhere.
How is that "being a friend" to TBR?
Tough love?
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Just let this sink in.
Yes, let the reason for that statement sink in as well: YOU TRUMP NUTS MADE THE DEMAND.
I am honoring it, because you people deserve the consequences for being imbeciles.
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You forget when I called you the lowest of lows and most disgusting thing anyone ever called anyone here.........a simpleton?
WTF does that have to do with the topic at hand? Predicting zots to individual members?
BFD that YOU call me a "simpleton".
Do you think THAT is going to make me all crazy and discombobulated that I have to suddenly brag somebody else cleans my toilets?
Run along...
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Yes, let the reason for that statement sink in as well: YOU TRUMP NUTS MADE THE DEMAND.
I am honoring it, because you people deserve the consequences for being imbeciles.
You're really losing your sh*t dear .... no Trump supporter made a demand on you @INVAR ... Your support was and remains unnecessary. :shrug:
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Wasn't there another poster the other day that said the same exact thing?
...that they couldn't vote for Trump at this point, even if he did something they loved....because we once told them we didn't need them?
@Right_in_Virginia the jokes write themselves, it seems. :laugh:
Well, @DCPatriot this Trump supporter never asked anything of @INVAR. In all candor, I'm just glad he hasn't figured out how badly his support would hurt the Trump brand. :smokin:
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You're really losing your sh*t dear .... no Trump supporter made a demand on you @INVAR ... Your support was and remains unnecessary. :shrug:
ROFL!!! A special 'shout-out' to @Wingnut and @Frank Cannon ... for making her post possible! :beer:
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ROFL!!! A special 'shout-out' to @Wingnut and @Frank Cannon ... for making her post possible! :beer:
I don't know what I did. I'm an equal opportunity offender. I offend everyone equally and with regularity.
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no Trump supporter made a demand on you @INVAR
YES, they did DEAR. Vociferously I might add. I've learned that 'fair weather friend' has an entirely new negative application when it comes to Trump. You people demand only True Believers and constant praise and worship of your anointed. I think the word 'loyalty' has been used more in those discussions than at any other subject I can recall.
Your support was and remains unnecessary. ... I'm just glad he hasn't figured out how badly his support would hurt the Trump brand. :smokin:
Excellent. More proof you only want and demand total obeisance to Trump with unwavering loyalty and devotion. Since you admit our support is not only unnecessary, but harmful to your anointed, there's really absolutely no point whatsoever for you Trumpian fanatics to continue your tireless and ceaseless efforts to shame those of us who did not support or vote for your prince.
The caveat I will grant you is that you feel you must, considering we have been declared enemies and traitors to the United States for our refusal to worship at the altar of Trump.
So be it.
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with regularity.
Roughage.
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YES, they did DEAR. Vociferously I might add. I've learned that 'fair weather friend' has an entirely new negative application when it comes to Trump. You people demand only True Believers and constant praise and worship of your anointed. I think the word 'loyalty' has been used more in those discussions than at any other subject I can recall.
You either really misunderstand @INVAR or you're just losing your sh*t Let me be clear ... your political support would damage the President's brand. Just keep on dissing the President. We won't stop you ... and may even quote you as proof the President's doing everything right.
Relax ... no hard feelings. Enjoy your political wasteland, you've earned it!
We'll send more beer. :beer:
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Let me be clear ... your political support would damage the President's brand.
I will relay the message from you to everyone who did not vote for Trump that you people do not want any kind of support for Trump unless they were a rabid fan from the beginning, because such support would 'damage' Trump's "Brand". I'll be passing that along for you.
Just keep on dissing the President.
I plan on living up to all the charges you fanatics have tirelessly levied.
That you can count on, I promise.
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Roughage.
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Just let this sink in.
@INVAR @Right_in_Virginia
Quote from: INVAR on January 20, 2018, 04:10:06 PM
Trump's rabid fanbase is why Trump will get not a single hint of praise, or defense from the likes of me, even if I do agree with anything he says or does.
That may be one of the dumbest damn things I have ever read. That's even dumb by DU standards,and most of those people are retarded.
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Yes, let the reason for that statement sink in as well: YOU TRUMP NUTS MADE THE DEMAND.
I am honoring it, because you people deserve the consequences for being imbeciles.
@INVAR
GOOD POINT! After all,other than the survival or our nation,and likely the end of free nations all over the world if the US fails,no harm done,right?
The important thing is that YOU got to "stick it to" someone that pissed you off.
Nothing wrong with the personality that establishes THOSE preferences,is there?
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Relax ... no hard feelings. Enjoy your political wasteland, you've earned it!
Yes indeed.
You go ahead and march and salute the Valkyrie of Trump. I'll enjoy political irrelevance in the midst of the goose-stepping Trump-heiling mob.
GOOD POINT! After all,other than the survival or our nation,and likely the end of free nations all over the world if the US fails,no harm done,right?
Well Pete, if you actually believe that the survival of our nation is wholly dependent upon what politician you put into the Oval Office to ascribe him messianic and kingly aural power, I have to say that our understanding of this country is diametrically different.
The important thing is that YOU got to "stick it to" someone that pissed you off.
As opposed to 'sticking it to' those who did not support Trump in the election day after day after day because the demand for Trump obeisance is said to be necessary for Trump to achieve his agenda?
Heh.
Nothing wrong with the personality that establishes THOSE preferences,is there?
There is actually quite a few of those personalities that established the preferences that we should not applaud the president, because we have not earned it. Plus now, we have our own Trumpian Hack that has asserted that not only do they not need or want our support - but that our support is *damaging to Trump's 'brand'*.
See Pete, when you are working to make a third party a viable alternative to the kabuki oligarchy in DC, stuff that party hack imbeciles hand us to help diminish the wholly corrupted Democrat and Republican parties - helps a great deal towards convincing others that it's time to look elsewhere to place our trust. Because not only do Republicans not want them in their party (unless they are a wholly devout acolyte of Trump and the Establishment GOP) - they do not even want their applause, because they did not 'earn' it by being on Trump's train from the beginning.
Plus we will *damage Trump's brand* if we actually do support him on anything.
So sayeth our resident Trump Party Hack from Virginia.
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Yes indeed.
You go ahead and march and salute the Valkyrie of Trump. I'll enjoy political irrelevance in the midst of the goose-stepping Trump-heiling mob.
Get over yourself,Princess! You make people like Roseanne Barr seem rational by comparison. You don't like Trump and some Trump supporters "hurded your widdle feelwing", so you throw a hissy-fit like a 8 year old?
Well Pete, if you actually believe that the survival of our nation is wholly dependent upon what politician you put into the Oval Office to ascribe him messianic and kingly aural power, I have to say that our understanding of this country is diametrically different.
You are right. Why,it made no difference at all to the future of the nation when King Franklin,LBJ,Bubba Bill,or Bathhouse Barry were elected,and America's future would be just peachy-keen today if Hillary,JEB,Lady Lindsey,or one of the other Republican Pod People had been elected instead of Trump,huh? Elections don't mean a THANG!
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@INVAR
Third party? In my opinion you’re spinning your wheels. But, more power to you. I suppose it will take dreamers to effect political change of that magnitude, against our long history of a two party system. Good luck with that.
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You don't like Trump and some Trump supporters "hurded your widdle feelwing", so you throw a hissy-fit like a 8 year old?
Hurt my feelings Pete?
No. I found most of them to be quite amusing and a few of them deliberately inciting and threatening.
I don't suffer bullies who insisted that unless we voted for Trump - we were an enemy of the country, only to watch the same bunch engage in daily nose-flicking because they feel good about doing end-zone celebrations that justify public shaming of anyone not on their team of cheerleaders. Thus the daily nose-flicking and other assorted nastiness that makes them feel good about themselves.
If the mob wants to go march to Marxism in Obama or Hillary - they will do so without me.
If the mob wants to go march to Pragmatic Populism in Trump as our only hope and salvation - they will do so without me.
I frankly don't care what the mob does because I'm not a mindless sheep that has a desperate need to go walk with a herd. I avoid mobs and groupthink, until and unless they decide that they have the authority to go stepping on and rescinding liberties. THEN they will have my full attention because they decided I may not avoid them. Not a pleasant thought to be sure, but history teaches human nature always ends up doing stupidly.
You are right. Why,it made no difference at all to the future of the nation when King Franklin,LBJ,Bubba Bill,or Bathhouse Barry were elected,and America's future would be just peachy-keen today if Hillary,JEB,Lady Lindsey,or one of the other Republican Pod People had been elected instead of Trump,huh? Elections don't mean a THANG!
No Pete, I don't subscribe to the idea that the Executive Branch is a monarchy. That elections have consequences is not an issue I contest. Government is a reflection of the culture and society, and that truth is not something that brings a lot of warmth when considering the future of the country. Most of this people and population are willfully ignorant of our foundations, and when confronted with that heritage - it is rejected with vehemence and outrage or greeted with absolute indifference.
I am not one that thinks fixing these things is done at the ballot box by electing politicians to high office.
That the existing party system is a corrupt oligarchy is a motivation I possess to do something outside of that cancer. You are welcome to wallow in it thinking it is your only hope of salvation - but I don't share the sentiment.
If you assert that is the equivalent of an 8-year-old hissy fit - more power to ya. I don't care what you want to call it. Attempting to shame me into practicing insanity and going along with a self-evident shell-game is not something I can be pressured into taking part in. I'm moving onto doing differently.
That the majority of the population see government and the Executive as god and a Monarchy does not persuade me to view it the same way.
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@INVAR
Third party? In my opinion you’re spinning your wheels.
As opposed to practicing provable insanity by playing the 2-party duopoly shell-game while ignoring the rules changes made in the last two cycles to kill any grassroots challenges to the Establishment in the pretend-'opposition party'??
I think spinning my wheels working a third party will be something that will have better long-term results for Constitutional Conservatism than playing at the Oligarchy table. AFAIC.
But, more power to you. I suppose it will take dreamers to effect political change of that magnitude, against our long history of a two party system. Good luck with that.
Why thank you AC. The alternative is a lot less pleasant.
Luck however, indeed. Demographics and sentiment do not paint such a good picture for the longevity of Liberty on these shores. Simple math in terms of replacement birthrates are kindof dour no matter how you want to slice it.
Consequences of the last 50 years coming home to roost.
Ah well. There is not a Republic or Democracy that ever came into existence that did not first commit suicide.
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This post/poster provides purrfect context to my "cockroach" comment. :patriot:
Your shtick is to be the 3rd man in, @RoosGirl !
You're such a deserving target for ridicule I just can't help myself.
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I don't suffer bullies who insisted that unless we voted for Trump - we were an enemy of the country,
Nobody likes people like that,regardless of who they or you support. I suspect you may be a little overly sensitive when it comes to this issue BECAUSE it's Trump,though.
I got bored with that crap and ignored it before I dropped off of FR and told Jim Bob and all the Bush Bots to suck it. Truth to tell,I hated them and just didn't want to see Boy Jorge's mother running the WH again. I think I could be friendly with Boy Jorge as long as he never gets close to the WH again.
IMO,the presidency is about a LOT more than finding someone likeable and then supporting them. I pretty much despise Trump,but he was clearly the only choice for President by sane people on election day. If you voted for someone else,don't blame me. You were the fool,I just identified you.
only to watch the same bunch engage in daily nose-flicking because they feel good about doing end-zone celebrations that justify public shaming of anyone not on their team of cheerleaders. Thus the daily nose-flicking and other assorted nastiness that makes them feel good about themselves.
Yeah,that gets old,but so what? Anytime that starts to bother you,just tell yourself,"Self,if Trump wasn't in the WH,HIllary Clinton would be the President." If that doesn't work,you are beyond help.
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Nobody likes people like that,regardless of who they or you support. I suspect you may be a little overly sensitive when it comes to this issue BECAUSE it's Trump,though.
Not really. I actually got a kick out of Trump causing liberal eyebleeds and the Establishment to froth and foam at the mouth during the primaries. I was never going to vote for the guy - because I did not trust him with the office given his lifelong statements and interviews and whom he funded for campaigns in NY. I was already committed to a different course of action than practicing what I consider to be insanity by voting for a Republican.
I got bored with that crap and ignored it before I dropped off of FR and told Jim Bob and all the Bush Bots to suck it. Truth to tell,I hated them and just didn't want to see Boy Jorge's mother running the WH again. I think I could be friendly with Boy Jorge as long as he never gets close to the WH again.
I don't disparage your reasonings for voting the way you did. My problem is with those who made the assertion that unless we vote the way they insisted we must (to save the country) - we are voting for Hillary/Obama and are traitors to the country and 'will be counted among the enemy for retribution when the time comes' crappola that was flung like crap that monkeys are wont to do. All that crap did was illustrate that those who self-identified as Conservative had no more regard for liberty than the Left does.
IMO,the presidency is about a LOT more than finding someone likeable and then supporting them. I pretty much despise Trump,but he was clearly the only choice for President by sane people on election day. If you voted for someone else,don't blame me. You were the fool,I just identified you.
Considering me a fool because I voted third party is one thing. You are entitled to think so. Telling me I am an enemy of the country and will earn the punishment that will come when people like me receive "our comeuppance" is a far different thing that plagued the most vocal morons supporting Trump online and on social media.
If they actually valued liberty, granting us the grace to vote our conscience is something a Conservative values and a despot does not. That is the difference between the True Believers for Trump and actual Conservatives.
Yeah,that gets old,but so what? Anytime that starts to bother you,just tell yourself,"Self,if Trump wasn't in the WH,HIllary Clinton would be the President." If that doesn't work,you are beyond help.
That doesn't comfort me given history and human nature Pete. If we are going to limit our foresight to merely the here and now so we can assuage ourselves by electing the lesser of evils because we assert electing one person to office makes or breaks the nation - we consign our posterity to slavery and misery if not worse, notwithstanding our own betrayal of what our foundational principles were that established us in the first place.
Clinton last week, Bush the next, Obama yesterday, Trump today and God knows what kind of creature we loft up as our national savior tomorrow.....
I run away from movements where people acclaim their political candidate running for office is going to make or break us.
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Because I posted once or twice over the course of 2 plus years that enough "blue dogs" from the union States...registered DEMS, would cross over and nullify withholding your own vote? And that we wouldn't need your GD support!
And that appears to have happened in states like Michigan, Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Wisconsin
Here, though, are some of the problems I can see with that. So called “Blue Dog†Democrats, or “Reagan Democrats†as they’re also called, although preferable to the far left,identity politics Democrats, are still Democrats. They can easily switch from Trump in 2020 to another Democrat if that Democrat “offers†a better deal. They would be very resistant to any spending cuts,especially cuts in entitlement programs, which, as we here know, will be necessary
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Considering me a fool because I voted third party is one thing. You are entitled to think so. Telling me I am an enemy of the country and will earn the punishment that will come when people like me receive "our comeuppance" is a far different thing
@INVAR
That it is. No question about it. Still,the question has to be asked,"WHY did/do you allow those idiots to have such a negative influence on you? I could understand it better if they were your brothers and sisters,or someone else important to you,but you don't even know them. If you spend you life being and getting pissed off by comments made to you by random strangers,you will never be happy,and they will have "won",even if they don't know about it.
that plagued the most vocal morons supporting Trump online and on social media.
I honestly just skipped over most of that nonsense as soon as I identified it,but I have no reason to disbelieve you. I still don't understand why you took and take it so personal,though.
If they actually valued liberty, granting us the grace to vote our conscience is something a Conservative values and a despot does not.
True,but a larger truth is THEY don't "grant" you,I,or anyone else a single damn thing. The RIGHT to vote your conscience is guaranteed by the US Constitution,and even the US Constitution doesn't GRANT you that right,it RECOGNIZES YOU HAVE THAT RIGHT. VERY important distinction.
That is the difference between the True Believers for Trump and actual Conservatives.
I have no doubt that is the way you see it,but only because of your own biases. I freely admit I don't read every thread posted daily,but *I* have yet to see ANYBODY that would qualify as a "Trump True Believer" posting here. Everybody I have seen posting here that is pro-Trump is pro-Trump because he is NOT Hillary,JEB,or any of the usual suspects,and doesn't own any of them a single damn thing. The "Trump Thing" that *I* am the most grateful of is his biggest flaw. His enormous ego that makes him a verbal bomb-thrower,and causes him to not care whose toes he is stepping on. Hell,it's why I decided to vote for him the night before the elections. "Self",I said to myself, "This SOB is so egotistical he will never bad down from anybody. Unlike Boy Jorge,he can't be intimidated or bossed around. Tell him he CAN'T do something,and that will instantly become THE very thing he wants to do most of all. The political weasels that have been running this country since the 1920's are just not emotionally or intellectually equipped to deal with anyone like that. They are used to people with all the spine of a rubber band that you can offer a bag of untraceable cash,and suddenly their alleged life-long convictions are no longer convictions. Trump LOVES money,but there is nothing on Earth he loves as much as he loves himself,and is image as a "winner". Give him a choice between a suitcase full of cash or public embarrassment,and he will set fire to the cash.
In short,hjs biggest flaws are WHY he IS the man we need in the WH at this period in our history. The fact that he is attracting even more supporters now than he did when he was running is a good indication that he is uprooting the existing corrupt conditions that exist in the beltway. They can no longer do business like they have been doing business. Just look at what happened yesterday for proof of this. Chuck Shuymer and the DNC were actually blamed for shutting down the government. Yeah,I know,they ARE at fault for the government shut down,but they NEVER take the blame for it,and they have been getting hammered.
That doesn't comfort me given history and human nature Pete. If we are going to limit our foresight to merely the here and now so we can assuage ourselves by electing the lesser of evils because we assert electing one person to office makes or breaks the nation - we consign our posterity to slavery and misery if not worse, notwithstanding our own betrayal of what our foundational principles were that established us in the first place.
What you are missing is the "here and now" is HERE NOW! We either start making changes now,or there will be no opportunities to do so in the future.
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IMO,the presidency is about a LOT more than finding someone likeable and then supporting them. I pretty much despise Trump,but he was clearly the only choice for President by sane people on election day. If you voted for someone else,don't blame me. You were the fool,I just identified you.
Actually considering how insane were the choices in 2016---can this country really have devolved so gravely toward the gutter that we produced nothing better than Hilarious Rodent Clinton vs. Donaldus Mimimus?---the only sane choice was afforded to voters in states which offer the option: none of these candidates. (Yes, there were third party candidates to choose from, but a couple of them were out there in their own right and Gary Johnson, the Libertarian Party candidate, was actually so much closer to being a Rockefeller Republican type I could only conclude that once again the best brains in the LP fell asleep at the switch.)
My state offers the option and I exercised it gladly, proudly, and with no regret but one---that my state doesn't also offer the write-in option. Because if it had, I would have voted for Groucho Marx, on two grounds: 1) Said he, once upon a time: Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it, misdiagnosing it, and misapplying the wrong solutions. Which shows more political wisdom than anything ejaculated by any presidential candidate in 2016. 2) If the dead can vote in Chicago and the dead wood can vote elsewhere, why can't the living vote for the dead? Besides, as Artemus Ward once observed, If we can't find a live man who amounts to anything by all means let us have a first class corpse.
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In short,hjs biggest flaws are WHY he IS the man we need in the WH at this period in our history. The fact that he is attracting even more supporters now than he did when he was running is a good indication that he is uprooting the existing corrupt conditions that exist in the beltway. They can no longer do business like they have been doing business. Just look at what happened yesterday for proof of this. Chuck Shuymer and the DNC were actually blamed for shutting down the government. Yeah,I know,they ARE at fault for the government shut down,but they NEVER take the blame for it,and they have been getting hammered.
Now, now, Pete, you of all people should know that if there's one absolute truth about the federal government, it's this: whenever they screw the pooch it's either God's will or someone else's fault. And not necessarily in that order.
What you are missing is the "here and now" is HERE NOW! We either start making changes now,or there will be no opportunities to do so in the future.
It was here before, too. ;) And, it'll be here again around . . . oh, the time of the next national election, and the next, and the next . . . and so long as voters continue expecting the federal government to be God on earth, there'll always be a here and now here, now.
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Still,the question has to be asked,"WHY did/do you allow those idiots to have such a negative influence on you?
It's the internet - and largely THEY DON'T. However, a few online stalwart Trump imbeciles were infuriated enough by recalcitrance to attempt to engage in doxing for nefarious purposes, those of us they had declared enemies of the state and had threatened. Threats of retribution followed up by doxing of an online moniker over our political position will garner negativity I assure you.
Plus, I do not suffer bullies very well.
If you spend you life being and getting pissed off by comments made to you by random strangers,you will never be happy,and they will have "won",even if they don't know about it.
This is a political discussion forum. Passionately arguing core principles and concepts related to liberty is what is done on a political discussion forum is it not? They do have a tendency to adversely or positively affect us and our posterity in the meat world, which is why they are important to argue about are they not?
Unless political hacks engaged in efforts to affect your liberty do not piss you off - then understandably you would not be passionate about arguing your positions.
If anything, it is the spirit, intent or zeitgeist of the ideas and memes anathema to liberty that are shaping policy and the culture that actually piss me off - not the clueless pawns and dupes who utter the pap they regurgitate from whatever Political Narrative, MSM newsfeed or talk radio host they are plugged into.
I still don't understand why you took and take it so personal,though.
As I said, we are arguing things related to the core foundational aspects of whether we retain what is left of our liberty or whether they are lost to ideas anathema to liberty's existence and/or surrendered for temporary political expedience.
True,but a larger truth is THEY don't "grant" you,I,or anyone else a single damn thing.
Please re-read what I wrote. I said granting us the GRACE to vote our conscience (meaning granting us the liberty to vote our conscience without the kinds of public shaming attempts and coercive threats made all during the last election cycle and since). True, no one GRANTS us our rights despite the efforts of some who want to make our rights nothing but grants of the State. However, extending grace to supposed 'fellow Conservatives' to vote whom we thought best represented our principles and interests in terms of carrying out the administrative duties of the office of President is something that many vocal Trump supporters considered an enemy action worthy of threat, ridicule and castigation. Those traits we wrongly assumed were only behaviors limited to the sphere of Leftist Activists. It's been a revelation let me do say.
In short,hjs biggest flaws are WHY he IS the man we need in the WH at this period in our history. The fact that he is attracting even more supporters now than he did when he was running is a good indication that he is uprooting the existing corrupt conditions that exist in the beltway. They can no longer do business like they have been doing business. Just look at what happened yesterday for proof of this. Chuck Shuymer and the DNC were actually blamed for shutting down the government. Yeah,I know,they ARE at fault for the government shut down,but they NEVER take the blame for it,and they have been getting hammered.
I certainly do not begrudge you that viewpoint there Pete. There is nothing dishonorable or incorrect in that opinion and normally I would clink your glass and agree that such is a compelling argument to make in justifying your support for the guy.
Trump's rabid fanbase does not deserve someone like you for certain. However, because I have a guttural aversion to bullies, Intimidators and mob zombies of any political persuasion (just ask the Ron Paul brigades that I rejected and abhorred with nearly equal passion as I do Trump's bunch), I find it good to demonstrate that their particular methods are destructive to the cause they pay lip services to, when their real desire and delight is to so the same thing that Obama's bunch wanted to do to his political enemies: punish, payback.
I will never align myself with such mobs or the people they would have as monarchs.
What you are missing is the "here and now" is HERE NOW! We either start making changes now,or there will be no opportunities to do so in the future.
I am not of the belief or opinion you can work within institutions wholly corrupted by using corruption to achieve better ends. 'Making changes' that will actually save a Constitutional Republic in decline as we are, are not made by electing one person to high office and giving them daily praise and applause. A debased culture will always choose lesser and lesser men depending on which of them feeds their basest desires and promises them grander benefits and handouts at everyone else's expense. Such is the human nature our Founders warned us about.
The HERE AND NOW requires an about-face in the culture - not just in the oval office.
AND that is why I passionately argue about principles, and against memes, mindsets, zeitgeists and trends that I consider destructive to my principles. Whether or not it has any positive impact on someone or liberty in general is not always something I can measure - but then I learn that something I had argued or said years ago had a positive effect in changing the way someone thought about a core issue and they changed their behaviors for the better.
Which is why I do what I do.
And because, I like to fight and argue.
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Now, now, Pete, you of all people should know that if there's one absolute truth about the federal government, it's this: whenever they screw the pooch it's either God's will or someone else's fault. And not necessarily in that order.
@EasyAce
Blah,blah,blah. Childish nonsense is childish nonsense. Ranting and raving about the incompetence and criminality of government while failing to actually do anything about it when offered the chance makes you a blowhard and a wannabe. So,do you plain on holding your breath until you turn blue and stamping your little feets in protest in 2020 also?
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And that appears to have happened in states like Michigan, Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Wisconsin
Here, though, are some of the problems I can see with that. So called “Blue Dog†Democrats, or “Reagan Democrats†as they’re also called, although preferable to the far left,identity politics Democrats, are still Democrats. They can easily switch from Trump in 2020 to another Democrat if that Democrat “offers†a better deal. They would be very resistant to any spending cuts,especially cuts in entitlement programs, which, as we here know, will be necessary
It's a tremendous opportunity right now.... a once in a generation opportunity...to cull Democratic millennials from their 'herd'.
Those in their 20's and 30's that experience firsthand what REAL "Hope and Change" looks like.
When a blue-collar Democrat sees their portion of their MANDATORY health insurance premium go higher than a BMW 5 Series monthly payment...they start to question WTF is going on. ^-^
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When a blue-collar Democrat sees their portion of their MANDATORY health insurance premium go higher than a BMW 5 Series monthly payment...they start to question WTF is going on. ^-^
@DCPatriot
That's when it gets real.