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General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: mystery-ak on April 21, 2024, 05:43:14 pm
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‘Moscow Marjorie’ Taylor Greene, GOP rebels defeated as House passes $61B in Ukraine aid package
By Social Links for Josh Christenson and
Social Links for Rich Calder
Published April 20, 2024
Updated April 20, 2024, 6:00 p.m. ET
House Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) on Saturday crushed a putsch by far-right Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene and Republican rebels — pushing through a $95.3 billion aid package that funds the fight against Russia, the defense of Israel and resistance against China.
Lawmakers in a rare bipartisan effort overwhelmingly approved the four-bill package, including one measure providing $60.8 billion for Ukraine.
About 80% of that money will go toward replenishing supplies of US-made weapons and ammunition and other direct military assistance.
Another $9.5 billion is in the form of a forgivable loan.
The bill passed 311-112 with all “nay” votes coming from Republicans, including Greene who was hailed as “Moscow Marjorie” by members of both major political parties.
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https://nypost.com/2024/04/20/us-news/house-approves-95b-in-military-aid-for-israel-ukraine/
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https://twitter.com/mattgaetz/status/1782111687622992205
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I usually agree with the Post, but sometimes they go over the top the other way.
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Defeated, huh?
I might point out that not very long ago, such a thing would have passed and been signed without a peep.
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Defeated, huh?
I might point out that not very long ago, such a thing would have passed and been signed without a peep.
:yowsa:
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I usually agree with the Post, but sometimes they go over the top the other way.
It's fitting
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Womp womp
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It's fitting
I should be clear that I Don't Care.
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Opposing this disastrous bill does not make one pro-Putin. As I noted on another thread, one can oppose the idea of the U.S. handing out tens of billions of American dollars that we don't even have to another country without said opposition equating to support for any of that country's enemies. I don't support Putin. I don't support more funding for Ukraine. Live with it.
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Wait. Whoa. Fiscal Conservatism is now "rebellious"?
No wonder the dollar is worth less every day.
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FY 2025 Budget is a hill for fiscal conservatives to make a stand on.
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FY 2025 Budget is a hill for fiscal conservatives to make a stand on.
Their stand will be whatever the Rats want. The GOP is playing to lose. And they won't be disappointed.
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Opposing this disastrous bill does not make one pro-Putin. As I noted on another thread, one can oppose the idea of the U.S. handing out tens of billions of American dollars that we don't even have to another country without said opposition equating to support for any of that country's enemies.
Principled Conservative arguments can be made, and are being made, that the U.S. simply can no longer afford to be so generous with its defense funds as it has in the past, nor should it be getting involved in any more foreign wars after the Iraq and Afghanistan debacles. I accept and respect that, if those arguments are made in good faith.
However, I do not agree that funding to support the Ukrainian military in fighting against the Russian invasion should be contingent upon funding for securing the U.S. southern border. They are two totally DIFFERENT issues and should NOT be conflated, and I believe that the U.S. can actually do both simultaneously if the Biden regime had the desire to do so. But it doesn't so here we are, playing chicken in Congress.
The way I see it, we are already in a third world war, against Russia, China, Iran, and North Korea, all of which are attacking us and our allies on multiple fronts. It doesn't look like World War II or any of the subsequent wars we've seen through Operation Enduring Freedom. But make no mistake, we are all under attack economically, psychologically, technologically, and ideologically, while a friendly country whose security we assured in 1994 and assisted us during Operation Iraqi Freedom has been invaded and devastated by the Russians, a notoriously expansionist country which has a long history of attacking and annexing its neighbors. I'd much rather help Ukraine beat back those Russians NOW by supplying it with the weapons, ordnance, intelligence, and special operations assets it needs for the job, rather than sending my kids and grandkids to fight the Russians later in the Baltics or Poland and Germany once the Muscovites set their sights on those NATO countries in the future. People have forgotten their history, and what happened in the 1930s with the Axis powers. Isolationism and Appeasement do NOT work...they didn't work then and they don't work now. And our enemies DO have a say in whether we have a war on our hands or not.
What really galls me though are those people who are actively cheering on the Russians and wishing for them to defeat the U.S. and NATO, to the extent of even nuking American cities to teach us a lesson and supposedly rid ourselves of urban Democrats. I also think that it's repulsive to cheer the mass destruction and slaughter that are going on in Ukraine, out of some stupid sense of revenge for the sins of the Clintons and Bidens there in years past. All the while these pro-Kremlin posters gaslight us with the absurd claims that the Russians are "liberating" Ukraine and showing restraint in their attacks. I see this all the time on TOS, and find it disgusting.
I don't support Putin. I don't support more funding for Ukraine. Live with it.
Fair enough. It's still a free country to believe and express what you want or do not want...but barely.
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It isn't fair to call Greene "Moscow Marjorie". She isn't supporting Russia. She's setting up a dilemma between protecting our borders v. protecting someone else's.
Personally, I believe we don't need more money to protect our own borders. Current DoD or Homeland Security budget monies should be used to build the wall. Current Justice Dept monies should be used to prosecute persons crossing illegally. And current HHS money should be used to buy weapons for Ukraine instead of handing out free cash to illegals.
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Opposing this disastrous bill does not make one pro-Putin. As I noted on another thread, one can oppose the idea of the U.S. handing out tens of billions of American dollars that we don't even have to another country without said opposition equating to support for any of that country's enemies. I don't support Putin. I don't support more funding for Ukraine. Live with it.
It should make everyone uneasy. We simply don't have the money to give away. The federal government is borrowing (as a percentage of GDP) more than it did in the cold war, and roughly twice as much as the second Iraq war. All of this during relative economic prosperity.
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Well if the Russian tv likes her, then the name fits:
https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1782187769562792429
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Well if the Russian tv likes her, then the name fits:
That is a ridiculous assertion, but not unexpected.
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That is a ridiculous assertion, but not unexpected.
I agree. Ridiculous indeed.
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That is a ridiculous assertion, but not unexpected.
Sorry, it's true.. She is a traitorous c*** and she should get kicked out of the GOP.
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Sorry, it's true.. She is a traitorous c*** and she should get kicked out of the GOP.
Wow. Please watch the language. I am glad you used *** -- otherwise I personally would consider this offensive. Your hatefulness against conservatism seems pretty obvious.
I see MTG as quite the opposite, she's the only conservative right now sticking up for conservatism!!!! We can longer afford to pander to the left and that is exactly what both McCarthy and Johnson have done.
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Wow. Please watch the language. I am glad you used *** -- otherwise I personally would consider this offensive. Your hatefulness against conservatism seems pretty obvious.
I see MTG as quite the opposite, she's the only conservative right now sticking up for conservatism!!!! We can longer afford to pander to the left and that is exactly what both McCarthy and Johnson have done.
That's right... Well, one of few... But that's right.
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It isn't fair to call Greene "Moscow Marjorie". She isn't supporting Russia. She's setting up a dilemma between protecting our borders v. protecting someone else's.
Personally, I believe we don't need more money to protect our own borders. Current DoD or Homeland Security budget monies should be used to build the wall. Current Justice Dept monies should be used to prosecute persons crossing illegally. And current HHS money should be used to buy weapons for Ukraine instead of handing out free cash to illegals.
I'd be good with that, but no one is limiting the size of the pie to be sliced up, so they'll just print more money. There's the rub. I'd be all FOR the current agencies being pulled back in line, and doing the jobs they were supposed to do, and diverting funds from those who do not.
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Well if the Russian tv likes her, then the name fits:
https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1782187769562792429
So Russian TV only has to gush over someone, even for a moment, and that is the basis you'd judge them on?
Seriously, they could see anything that might somehow benefit them as a plus, and likely they are hard put to find one. In the meantime, taking out one of our more stringently pro American Congress persons by damning them in some minds with small praise helps weaken our Republic all the more.
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Wow. Please watch the language. I am glad you used *** -- otherwise I personally would consider this offensive. Your hatefulness against conservatism seems pretty obvious.
I see MTG as quite the opposite, she's the only conservative right now sticking up for conservatism!!!! We can longer afford to pander to the left and that is exactly what both McCarthy and Johnson have done.
:yowsa:
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Sorry, it's true.. She is a traitorous c*** and she should get kicked out of the GOP.
twilight zonexxxx
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Sorry, it's true.. She is a traitorous c*** and she should get kicked out of the GOP.
I'd agree with you, but then I would be totally wrong, too. But, we are entitled to our opinions, as long as we understand that is all they are.