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General Category => World News => Topic started by: DCPatriot on March 26, 2024, 01:01:00 am
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Winston Churchill's UFO cover-up as declassified 'X-files' show ex-PM's fears over leaks
The wartime leader and national hero worked around the clock to keep a lid on the various UFO sightings made around the UK, archive documents show.
By JOEL DAY
08:55, Sun, Mar 24, 2024
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In the last 20 years, the Government has made public a series of documents that are now known as the "X-files", a reference to the popular US science-fiction series.
Perhaps the most salient release came in 2010, when Churchill's name cropped up for the first time, revealing that he had put a 50-year embargo on reporting on a "bizarre" UFO incident that occurred just off the east coast of England.
His reason was simple: flood the press with such stories and public hysteria will follow.
The files show that he gave the order during a secret meeting with General Dwight Eisenhower who would later become US President.
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A scientist whose grandfather was one of Churchill's bodyguards confirmed the story after the files were released.
Nick Pope, who used to investigate UFO sightings for the Ministry of Defence (MoD), told the BBC: "The reason [for the ban] apparently was because Churchill believed it would cause mass panic and it would shatter people's religious views."
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https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1879312/winston-churchill-ufos-x-files-declassified-documents-aliens-spt (https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1879312/winston-churchill-ufos-x-files-declassified-documents-aliens-spt)
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IOW...TPTB believe (and I agree) that GLOBAL civil society would immediately break down into a "MAD MAX - Beyond the Thunderdome".
If you lose your fear of God's punishment and banished to a fiery hell...nobody anywhere is safe.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDFAjsDsw1c
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IOW...TPTB believe (and I agree) that GLOBAL civil society would immediately break down into a "MAD MAX - Beyond the Thunderdome".
If you lose your fear of God's punishment and banished to a fiery hell...nobody anywhere is safe.
@DCPatriot
I am NOT a "believer",and I am not a threat to anyone.
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IOW...TPTB believe (and I agree) that GLOBAL civil society would immediately break down into a "MAD MAX - Beyond the Thunderdome".
If you lose your fear of God's punishment and banished to a fiery hell...nobody anywhere is safe.
I disagree. It's happened over and over in history.
Some being comes down from the sky trading technology for women. the resulting bloodline sets up empire.
This stuff is old hat. If y'all knew the arcane side of things all of this would be remarkably clear.
It's what's fixin to happen AGAIN.
They're trying with all they have to reestablish Atlantis.
That's the aim.
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But I will agree - No one is safe.
Some just see farther than others and maybe can duck.
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@DCPatriot
I am NOT a "believer",and I am not a threat to anyone.
That's not what I meant, @sneakypete
Of course there are well-grounded/rounded humans who...beyond their 'formative' years, are instinctively moral and adopt a "live and let live" creed. They don't need a Bible on their nightstand.
But there are now BILLIONS of humans. You cannot deny that RELIGION is one of the tools to keep some from eating their neighbor when hunger strikes.
We all laugh at the notion that if electricity were to become extinct for the average man...in less than 30 days nobody would be safe. But...it's true nonetheless.
Just take the FERAL African-American whose cell phones and TVs remind them that they should have paid attention in school and did their homework...all of a sudden they're 'adults' and are on the outside looking in.
Can't afford a car? Hell, they couldn't afford gasoline to put in it unless they stole the money for it.
THEY are the real non-redeemables! THEY are the marauding mobs.
And the 'disease' is spreading as prices rise daily on basic groceries and foodstuffs.
If it were made public that there is no 'GOD"...no heaven or hell, you wouldn't be able to leave your house.
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But I will agree - No one is safe.
Some just see farther than others and maybe can duck.
:beer: Indeed!
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I disagree. It's happened over and over in history.
Some being comes down from the sky trading technology for women. the resulting bloodline sets up empire.
This stuff is old hat. If y'all knew the arcane side of things all of this would be remarkably clear.
It's what's fixin to happen AGAIN.
They're trying with all they have to reestablish Atlantis.
That's the aim.
@roamer_1
Haven't smoked cannabis since early November last year. (not an insult to you)
Having a very hard time computing/digesting what you're suggesting.
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@roamer_1
Haven't smoked cannabis since early November last year. (not an insult to you)
Having a very hard time computing/digesting what you're suggesting.
It ain't UFOs. It's the Fallen.
They've been loosed.
Look at the ancient things.
All of this happened before.
Look at Crowley and Blavatski.
Look at what the other side is doing and saying.
They have been telling everyone what they are doing for fifty years.
There was a time when the 'gods' walked among us.
Then came the flood.
They've been trying to get it back ever since,
Then came Yeshua.
And from that small seed came nations that beat them back sommore.
It is written it would all come around again.
And here it is.
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That's not what I meant, @sneakypete
Of course there are well-grounded/rounded humans who...beyond their 'formative' years, are instinctively moral and adopt a "live and let live" creed. They don't need a Bible on their nightstand.
But there are now BILLIONS of humans. You cannot deny that RELIGION is one of the tools to keep some from eating their neighbor when hunger strikes.
@DCPatriot
I will NEVER deny that basic truth. I grew up in a "religious family",and MOST of them (not all) would consider Elmer Gantry to have been a wannabe. Anytime you shook any of their hands,you had to double-check to make sure you still had all your fingers.
If it were made public that there is no 'GOD"...no heaven or hell, you wouldn't be able to leave your house.
Mostly true. Unfortunately,the "pray to God and your sins will be forgiven" "get out of jail card" that cuts the legs out from under that one.
I HAVE known a few truly sincere believers that were nice,trustworthy people,but they were the exceptions.
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There was a time when the 'gods' walked among us.
Then came the flood.
They've been trying to get it back ever since,
Then came Yeshua.
Are you saying Yeshua is Jesus, the Son of God, Who came in fulfillment of the Scriptures; Who suffered, died and rose from the dead three days later?
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Are you saying Yeshua is Jesus, the Son of God, Who came in fulfillment of the Scriptures; Who suffered, died and rose from the dead three days later?
No. Jesus is Yeshua, to be succinct.
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No. Jesus is Yeshua, to be succinct.
Whatever your name preference, are you saying the Savior was here, the Scriptures are fulfilled and a new and everlasting Covenant has been made and open to all of the world?
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Whatever your name preference, are you saying the Savior was here, the Scriptures are fulfilled and a new and everlasting Covenant has been made and open to all of the world?
More or less - That has been under way for the last two thousand years - But in a word, yes. That is happening. Not yet done.
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I disagree. It's happened over and over in history.
Some being comes down from the sky trading technology for women. the resulting bloodline sets up empire.
This stuff is old hat. If y'all knew the arcane side of things all of this would be remarkably clear.
It's what's fixin to happen AGAIN.
They're trying with all they have to reestablish Atlantis.
That's the aim.
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True. If y'all spent some time looking at the enemy and understanding the things they are shooting for, you'd better understand.
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More or less - That has been under way for the last two thousand years - But in a word, yes. That is happening. Not yet done.
So, you're not saying Jesus is the Savior, and He was here, the Scriptures are fulfilled and a new and everlasting Covenant has been made and open to all of the world. My only question is: why not just say this in plain English? :shrug:
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So, you're not saying Jesus is the Savior
Yes, he is.
[...] and He was here
Yes he was.
[...] the Scriptures are fulfilled
No, they're not (yet). Ongoing.
and a new and everlasting Covenant has been made and open to all of the world.
Yes, but not yet. You are bought with a price. The price has been paid. You are waiting yet. Don't let your lamp go out or you will miss his coming.
My only question is: why not just say this in plain English? :shrug:
Because like always, you're putting words in my mouth. It is not all fulfilled. The Scriptures speak of a time when it is all fulfilled, right after the Two Witnesses are called up. Till then, it's still ticking.
But I mentioned Yeshua in one line... As a reference point. The purpose was to show in shorthand, the ongoing battle.
Evil is rising.
These UFOs are part of that.
It's happened before.
Many times.
Ancient texts and folklore is full of them.
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No, they're not (yet). Ongoing.
What Scripture is unfulfilled?
Yes, but not yet. You are bought with a price. The price has been paid. You are waiting yet. Don't let your lamp go out or you will miss his coming.
I haven't missed Him.
The Scriptures speak of a time when it is all fulfilled,
Jesus Christ is the New Covenant and New Law, meaning that He has fulfilled the purpose of the Old Covenant and the Old Law. Jesus is also the fulfillment of the Old Testament roles of rabbi, prophet, and king.
Evil is rising.
These UFOs are part of that.
It's happened before.
Many times.
Ancient texts and folklore is full of them.
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@DCPatriot
I am NOT a "believer",and I am not a threat to anyone.
Well, unless they f*** with you. :whistle:
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Well, unless they f*** with you. :whistle:
@Smokin Joe
That part doesn't really need to be mentioned,and it pretty much applies to everyone.
Don't believe it? Think about what typically happens when someone is caught molesting a child,and it doesn't even have to be THEIR child.
This is why I turned down the opportunity to become a cop when I got out of the army. If I were to catch a child molester in the act,I would probably tie his feat the rear bumper of the squad car before driving him to the station. I am pretty sure that means I don't have what it takes to be a cop.
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What Scripture is unfulfilled?
Depends upon who you adhere to I suppose. Preachers will tell you just about anything. I tend to read the Book. As a textual critic, I see contracts there - And those contracts rely upon completion. One does not necessarily supersede the other, but each contract requires exact fulfillment, as contracts always do. Each of those contracts has a prophecy in the way of a prophecy or set of prophecies as a downpayment on each deal - So those prophets needfully must see fulfillment, or God is not god.
And secondly - whole rafts f prophecy that the churches pay no mind to have to have already happened - without anyone notable catching on - The prophecies toward Ephraim are a brilliant example - Roughly a third of the Bible is dedicated to prophecies toward Ephraim and must necessarily come true... Necessarily must have come true by now in large part - But everyone shrugs their shoulders, oblivious to the implications. Even so, while much of it must have already happened, still a portion cannot have happened.
Likewise the 'Binding of the Sticks' in Ezekiel, whole swaths of Zechariah and Isaiah, much is left undone
I haven't missed Him.
If he has not come, then all is not fulfilled. If you are not in your heavenly body (I know I ain't) then all is not fulfilled. If you have not stood before the Bema Seat - Then all is not fulfilled. These are not matters of interpretation. They are necessary elements. Much of the Apocalypse remains undone. The earth is not renewed. The evil are not reduced to ashes... I could go on and on.
Jesus Christ is the New Covenant and New Law, meaning that He has fulfilled the purpose of the Old Covenant and the Old Law. Jesus is also the fulfillment of the Old Testament roles of rabbi, prophet, and king.
The 'new law' employs the old. Necessarily the law and the mercy both be efficacious, because without the law, there is no need for mercy. And without the mercy, no one would survive the law. And it makes no difference - The new does not supplant the old. They must fit together, but stand alone. Once one reads it with that in mind, your suppositions flee.
The way it must lock together resolves interpretation. Each contract must be honored completely. Yah's word does not return to him empty - Empty in any small part, and that part awaits fulfillment.
But all of that borders on the religious exemption for this forum, so I do not want to go on. If you wish to continue this inquiry, I will be happy to go at it tooth and nail by PM.
My point is that evil is rising yet again - Likely for the end game at this late date. Just as it has before. It is far more likely that the same perpetrators are behind it as the last time and the time before, and the time before.
That evil is not interplanetary travelers. It is the same inter-dimensional beings as always... With the same shtick. People would really do well to read history.
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Please don't hijack this thread into a religious debate.
26 years on Conservative forums has taught me it's a tangent on which we need to avoid.
Point is, the "Foo Fighters" in WWII were witnessed by hundreds of fighter pilots. They weren't mirages.
Winston Churchill knew this. Dwight D. Eisenhower knew it.
Many claim that Eisenhower even had audiences/meetings with "them"
Thank you in advance! :patriot:
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So, you're not saying Jesus is the Savior, and He was here, the Scriptures are fulfilled and a new and everlasting Covenant has been made and open to all of the world. My only question is: why not just say this in plain English? :shrug:
Yes. Thank you, @Right_in_Virginia
Last time I took an IQ test was about 1960 when I was a Freshman in HS. It was 120.
I'm not scholarly by any stretch. Speak to me in Layman's terms.
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What Were the Mysterious “Foo Fighters” Sighted by WWII Night Flyers?
Something strange was following the Beaufighter crews of the 415th Night Fighter Squadron.
Zoe Krasney
August 2016
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Reports kept coming in. The objects flew alongside aircraft at 200 mph; they were red, or orange, or green; they appeared singly or with as many as 10 others in formation; and they often out-maneuvered the airplanes they were chasing. They never showed up on radar.
Richard Ziebart, historian for the nearby 417th Night Fighter Squadron, heard many of the stories directly from the 415th crew members: “The pilots were very professional. They gave the report, talked about the lights, but didn’t speculate about them.” Still, the pilots found the sightings unnerving. “Scared shitless” was how a 415th pilot described feeling to Keith Chester, author of Strange Company: Military Encounters With UFO’s in World War II.
At the end of the year, an Associated Press war correspondent, Robert C. Wilson, celebrated New Year’s Eve with the 415th. The next day, his story on the foo fighters was featured on the front page of newspapers across the country. Other squadrons had seen them, but it was the number, consistency, and impact on the 415th crews—and the fact that a reporter listened to the airmen—that finally prompted investigations into the sightings.
Amateur psychologists, military aviation buffs, and conspiracy theorists offered explanations, but none that the airmen found credible. They didn’t believe they were hallucinating because of battle fatigue. And because the lights caused no damage, the pilots doubted they came from remote-controlled German secret weapons. St. Elmo’s fire, a discharge of light from sharp objects in electrical fields, seemed unlikely, since the foo fighters exhibited such extreme maneuverability.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/air-space-magazine/what-were-mysterious-foo-fighters-sighted-ww2-night-flyers-180959847/ (https://www.smithsonianmag.com/air-space-magazine/what-were-mysterious-foo-fighters-sighted-ww2-night-flyers-180959847/)
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Please don't hijack this thread into a religious debate.
26 years on Conservative forums has taught me it's a tangent on which we need to avoid.
Point is, the "Foo Fighters" in WWII were witnessed by hundreds of fighter pilots. They weren't mirages.
Winston Churchill knew this. Dwight D. Eisenhower knew it.
Many claim that Eisenhower even had audiences/meetings with "them"
Thank you in advance! :patriot:
That's right. They certainly are real - It's just that they're not from space. Never seen em incoming... But the witnesses of opening portals abound.
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That's right. They certainly are real - It's just that they're not from space. Never seen em incoming... But the witnesses of opening portals abound.
I can agree with you on this, @roamer_1
IMO, these "aliens" have been on earth much longer than Homo Sapiens. Subterranean for one reason or another.
Humans are most likely the 'virus' which periodically need culling.
THAT is where your assertion that it happens in a cycle makes sense to me. :beer:
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Semjaza from the Book of Enoch (see Enoch 6:3). Leader of the Watchers (fallen angels).
Semjase from the Billy Meier contact case. Young female ET.
Odd coincidence @roamer_1 ?
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Maybe the simpler reason for him tamping down the UFO claims was because he saw how freaked out and panicked Americans became on the night of October 30, 1938 from live radio reports from Grovers Mill, NJ
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Maybe the simpler reason for him tamping down the UFO claims was because he saw how freaked out and panicked Americans became on the night of October 30, 1938 from live radio reports from Grovers Mill, NJ
Great point.
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:silly: :silly: :silly:
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I can agree with you on this, @roamer_1
IMO, these "aliens" have been on earth much longer than Homo Sapiens. Subterranean for one reason or another.
Subterranean - That also is quite well represented in history... Portals, and stuff coming up out of the earth. I think the emphasis should be in those directions, and the spaceman thing is a distraction away from it.
There is somewhat to tie the two together - Subterranean and portals - The thought being that beings would have a hard time navigating as they seem to be able to without portals or some such...
Won't subscribe to 'much longer'... That can't be substantiated. But it is sufficient to know that 'they' are often of a greater intellect - Some so much greater as to dwarf us. I do believe that they often possess a greater knowledge of things past too.
Humans are most likely the 'virus' which periodically need culling.
THAT is where your assertion that it happens in a cycle makes sense to me. :beer:
It seems to me to be more a matter of exposure. Something happens to make them able to handle the atmosphere (or some other condition)from time to time, or particular to region... And there is an influx. Sometimes that is nipped in the bud, little more than an incident... sometimes it is very broad.
I had entertained the whole 'Planet X' scenario for that purpose A planet coming by every 2000-3000 years would handily explain that influx (Planet X/Niburu has some minor traction in history too), or at least major ones. But the 'up out of the earth' or 'through portals' seems to carry more weight. In most cases though, the rulers, the ruling class beings, invariably come from the sky, or show up from the ocean.
That's not perfect (The 'ant people' of Hopi legend are entirely subterranean), but painting with broad strokes, it seems to fit.
That does not discount UFOs and SFOs, or at least, that is not my aim. They exist. They are often of a greater technology than ours, though just barely - Historically, their technology seems tied to man's.
But they are there. I have seen them often in the night sky. One of the poor things of city life is the inability to see the night sky. Country folks see weird stuff in the sky a lot. So rural people will be less likely to discount it.
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I want to thank you all for informing me of the existence,and indeed,the known pieces of truth,of these WW-2 UFO's.
I have always had a vague belief there were and had been things going on for hundreds of years,but no real proof.
Other than the history of the Aztec and the Mayans,and that didn't become known until some of the cities and temples in the deep,deep jungles were discovered.
And let's face it,this sort of thing is soooo far out of our level of knowledge and experience that we wouldn't recognize an actual alien if it bit us on the ass. We would probably just think it was one of our neighbors relatives visiting from out of town.
Converting the unknown into the known and accepted is quit a chore for anyone and everyone.
I have NO desire to convert this into a discussion on religion,but these creatures popping up out of nowhere in pre-historic times just may have been what kicked off "religion" in all it's forms.
After all,it is just human nature to find a way to explain the unexplainable,which is itself a contradiction of terms.
The mystery of why Slow Joe hasn't mistaken one of his fingers for a hot dog and bit it off and swallowed it pales in comparison to any of this.
BTW,let us all try to NOT get into any "did too!/did not!" arguments over this. NOBODY knows the facts and all of us are doing nothing but guessing.
Hell,humanity may NEVER know the truth of any of this.
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Semjaza from the Book of Enoch (see Enoch 6:3). Leader of the Watchers (fallen angels).
Semjase from the Billy Meier contact case. Young female ET.
Odd coincidence @roamer_1 ?
No, @bigheadfred . It happens all the time. Whole pantheons show up in different places. Not perfectly, but the similarities are too many to not find cause. Some of that may be explained by human migration - The gods of Rome are similar to the gods of Greeks, are similar to Anatolian gods, are similar to Egyptian... That may be a migration of humans, or it may be a migration of gods. Hard to tell.
But in other places they just show up, whole cloth, and set up shop aqain - The whole Incan thing... Very close to the other pantheons. Many similarities. Same with the northern European gods, which are disconnected but similar to the gods of points south.
I think Heiser's work is close to right. And Gary Wayne's book is a phenomenon, tracking the royal bloodlines down and tying attributes together in stunning fashion... Those two lines of thought form my current wheelhouse, albeit that I came to that thinking through varied sources.
I will part from Wayne in that he allegorizes what I see as visceral. But it's a close thing.
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Here's an event in Los Angeles in '42.
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Please don't hijack this thread into a religious debate.
26 years on Conservative forums has taught me it's a tangent on which we need to avoid.
As you wish @DCPatriot Although you did choose an interesting week to have this discussion.
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As you wish @DCPatriot Although you did choose an interesting week to have this discussion.
@Right_in_Virginia
Oh...I wasn't chastising you...it's just that you cannot challenge @roamer_1 on just about any topic around here.
From God...to jalapena peppers...to what's a Conservative...to computers...phones...on and on! :laugh:
Better to stick with the thread topic which is that UFOs exist and the governments and major religions going back a hundred years or more continue to deny and cover it up! :beer:
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@Right_in_Virginia
Oh...I wasn't chastising you...it's just that you cannot challenge @roamer_1 on just about any topic around here.
From God...to jalapena peppers...to what's a Conservative...to computers...phones...on and on! :laugh:
Better to stick with the thread topic which is that UFOs exist and the governments and major religions going back a hundred years or more continue to deny and cover it up! :beer:
I never try to change his mind, but, do try and understand what his double-speak really means. :shrug:
No worries @DCPatriot :beer: