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General Category => National/Breaking News => Topic started by: mystery-ak on July 11, 2021, 01:36:30 pm
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‘Bunch of guns’ found in hotel room near MLB All-Star Game, cops feared possible ‘Las Vegas-style’ shooting
July 11, 2021 | Jon Dougherty
Police have arrested four people in connection with a potential plot to conduct a mass shooting during Major League Baseball’s All-Star Game in Denver after a maid found “a bunch of guns laid out” in a hotel room on Friday.
The firearms discovery was made in a room near Coors Field ahead of Tuesday’s All-Star Game, as authorities said they feared another “Las Vegas-style” shooting was being planned, reports said. The game was relocated to Denver from Atlanta earlier this year after Georgia lawmakers passed and Gov. Brian Kemp signed voter integrity legislation the MLB disagreed with.
That said, Fox 31 reported that police have no evidence to indicate that a mass shooting event was set to take place. Still, according to the Denver Post, police were concerned that another shooting similar to the massacre in Las Vegas in the fall of 2017 that left 58 people dead who were attending a concert near a hotel in Vegas, and hundreds more hurt or wounded.
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https://www.bizpacreview.com/2021/07/11/bunch-of-guns-found-in-hotel-room-near-mlb-all-star-game-cops-feared-possible-las-vegas-style-shooting-1101903/
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... On Saturday, authorities said three men and a woman had been arrested, FOX 31 reported. The men were identified as Richard Platt, 42; Gabriel Rodriguez, 48; and Ricardo Rodriguez, 44, all taken into custody as part of an investigation into allegations of possession of a weapon by a previous offender, the station reported.
One of the male suspects posted on Facebook that he was recently divorced and wanted to "go out in a big way," sources told the Post.
The female suspect was identified as Kanoelehua Serikawa, 43, who was being investigated on possible charges of possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute. ...
Denver maid reports ‘bunch of guns’ in hotel room near MLB All-Star Game site; 4 arrests: report (FOX) (https://www.foxnews.com/us/denver-maid-guns-hotel-mlb-all-star-game-coors-field-arrests)
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I wonder if two of those white Nationalist guys are related to Chai Chai Rodweeguezzzz?
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While the appearance certainly is sinister and deserving of caution, the Maven Hotel is a quarter of a mile or more from Coors Field's parking lots and parts of the stands that might be visible from the hotel. That assumes that the room they had overlooks the stadium area and that none of the other hotels and such obstruct that overlook.
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While the appearance certainly is sinister and deserving of caution, the Maven Hotel is a quarter of a mile or more from Coors Field's parking lots and parts of the stands that might be visible from the hotel. That assumes that the room they had overlooks the stadium area and that none of the other hotels and such obstruct that overlook.
That quarter mile is just over 500 yards. A decent shot with a good rifle could cause problems at that range, if not choose their target. A really good shot with a very good rifle could choose individual targets, given the line of sight to do so.
Carlos Hathcock had a confirmed kill at 2300 meters (2500 yards), and the record confirmed kill by a sniper was done at 3540 meters (11,614 feet) in Afghanistan by a Canadian shooter. Both of those were .50 caliber rounds, but 1000 yard shots are fairly common in the .30 caliber family of rifles.
With some skill and very decent optics the possibility of a threat is there. That alone does not constitute a threat, just the means to deliver on one.
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Whatever their intentions may have been one thing is for certain they are all dumber than a Biden voter for having left the weapons out in what was basically a display and not putting the do not disturb sign on the door to keep housekeeping out of the room.
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Gee. People with guns in Colorado. Who'da thunk it?
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@mystery-ak
Ok,I am saying some questions need to be answered before everybody gets their panties all in a wad.
1:What kind of guns were they,what caliber were they,and what kind of optics,if any,did the long guns have on them?
2a:WHO were the people in possession of those weapons?
2b: Did any of them have criminal records for violent behavioc?,
2c: Do the cops have ANY evidence at all these people intended to go on a shooting spree?
2d: Where there any gun shows happening close by these people could have been intending to visit to sell those guns?
The ONE thing we know to be a fact is that NO gun in history has ever decided to open fire on on anyone,at any time.
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Whatever their intentions may have been one thing is for certain they are all dumber than a Biden voter for having left the weapons out in what was basically a display and not putting the do not disturb sign on the door to keep housekeeping out of the room.
@GtHawk
That is the big thing that makes me suspect this was no big deal. People planning stuff like mass shootings are careful to hide their weapons until it's time to shoot.
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@sneakypete - at least some of the men are being investigated for "possession of a weapon by a previous offender," so I'll guess felony records were involved; drug charges against two of the men also are pending. The woman with the Hawaiian name is being investigated for possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute.
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@sneakypete - at least some of the men are being investigated for "possession of a weapon by a previous offender," so I'll guess felony records were involved; drug charges against two of the men also are pending. The woman with the Hawaiian name is being investigated for possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute.
@mountaineer
None of which have any connection to mass murder.
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@sneakypete - at least some of the men are being investigated for "possession of a weapon by a previous offender," so I'll guess felony records were involved; drug charges against two of the men also are pending. The woman with the Hawaiian name is being investigated for possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute.
Sound more like drug dealers setting up shop for the incoming fans. They have to protect their "product" from the local distributors who don't like outsiders...
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... A preliminary assessment indicated the stash of guns appears to be connected to a possible illegal transaction involving drugs and guns, according to an internal law enforcement memo obtained by ABC News.
But Denver Police Chief Paul Pazen said at a news conference Sunday afternoon that the investigation is in its early stage and that "nothing has been ruled out." ...
ABC News (https://abcnews.go.com/US/housekeepers-tip-leads-weapons-cache-denver-hotel-mlb/story?id=78781526)
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While it is possible the “owners” of the guns just have an weird gun fetish, since they possessed the guns illegally I think these are reasonable possibilities (duplicating a comment or two above):
* An attempted mass shooting;
* Protection at the ready for something illegal, e.g. drug deals;
* A little private “gun sale” to others similarly unable to buy and possess guns legally.
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While it is possible the “owners” of the guns just have an weird gun fetish, since they possessed the guns illegally I think these are reasonable possibilities (duplicating a comment or two above):
* An attempted mass shooting;
* Protection at the ready for something illegal, e.g. drug deals;
* A little private “gun sale” to others similarly unable to buy and possess guns legally.
How the heck do you purchase a gun illegally, other than receiving stolen goods?
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How the heck do you purchase a gun illegally, other than receiving stolen goods?
Someone who isn't supposed to have a gun (felon, or other disqulifier) purchases one through a private sale.
Someone who doesn't know the gun is stolen buying a stolen gun at near market rates (price high enough to not question provenance). NCIC should be open to query by private citizens to help prevent this, but AFAIK, it isn't.
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Someone who isn't supposed to have a gun (felon, or other disqulifier) purchases one through a private sale.
Someone who doesn't know the gun is stolen buying a stolen gun at near market rates (price high enough to not question provenance). NCIC should be open to query by private citizens to help prevent this, but AFAIK, it isn't.
Yeah, I already mentioned the 'Receiving Stolen Goods' part.
Personally don't care much for the felon exclusion, and won't pay it mind...
Too many of my friends kicked their heels a bit too high and wound up doing time... And according to government, lost the right to subsistance and self defense... And that's bullcrap. They paid their dues, and have to eat.
But thanks all the same for another angle.
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Yeah, I already mentioned the 'Receiving Stolen Goods' part.
Personally don't care much for the felon exclusion, and won't pay it mind...
Too many of my friends kicked their heels a bit too high and wound up doing time... And according to government, lost the right to subsistance and self defense... And that's bullcrap. They paid their dues, and have to eat.
But thanks all the same for another angle.
Yeah, here, after 5 years from end of sentence served, (for some offences) a guy can petition to have his rights restored. Smoke poles and archery remain in a pinch. "Receiving Stolen Goods" implies that the person was aware they were stolen, and sometimes that isn't the case (why my comment on the NCIC, which would help keep that down for people who deal with people they don't know).
But regardless of record, having illegal drugs and guns in the same place isn't a wise idea. The drugs make the guns illegal on the spot. Whatever they were up to, it looks like a reasonable bust that someone is trying to blow up into a preempted mass casualty event, and that part just might not be the case (but plays well with the antigun crowd).
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Whatever they were up to, it looks like a reasonable bust that someone is trying to blow up into a preempted mass casualty event, and that part just might not be the case (but plays well with the antigun crowd).
Yeah, I got that too. Unless they were after a particular target, and in possession of passin fair skill, their choice of location seems... awkward... in the case of a Vegas style spree.
I mean 500 yds is not a thing for someone familiar with long shots... And there are plenty that can function at that range.... But I doubt that is Joe Banger.
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Yeah, I got that too. Unless they were after a particular target, and in possession of passin fair skill, their choice of location seems... awkward... in the case of a Vegas style spree.
I mean 500 yds is not a thing for someone familiar with long shots... And there are plenty that can function at that range.... But I doubt that is Joe Banger.
My take, too, unless those boys had some high dollar hardware. It's out there, but figure 4-5K for the optics and integrated targeting stuff (I won't elaborate, and only wish I could afford such a setup), and another 2-5K minimum for the rifle to hang it on. Still no guarantees, even in at 500 meters.
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PICTURED: Four suspects arrested in Denver hotel raid that uncovered 16 firearms and 1,000 rounds of ammo - as one insists it is a 'giant misunderstanding' and they were planning on selling them
Authorities raided two rooms at the Maven Hotel in Denver on Friday night after a maid spotted a rifle while cleaning
Police uncovered a haul of 16 long guns, body armor and 1,000 rounds of ammunition. They also found drugs and a stash of cash
Richard Platt, 42; Gabriel Rodriguez, 48; Ricardo Rodriguez, 44; Kanoelehua Serikawa, 43, were all taken into custody and charged following the raid
The three men, who all have criminal histories in Colorado, are each charged with possession of a weapon by a previous offender, as well as other charges
Serikawa is charged with possession of a controlled substance with intent to distribute
Police have released few details about the arrests or the ongoing investigation. They have also not disclosed how, if at all, the four suspects knew each other
Platt, who works in construction and has a son, has prior convictions for weapons, drugs, theft and assault
Ricardo Rodriguez said in jail interview that he had no knowledge of any plans to target the MLB game on Tuesday night
By Emily Crane For Dailymail.com (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9780363/Three-four-suspects-arrested-Denver-hotel-raid-criminal-histories.html)
Published: 10:42 EDT, 12 July 2021 | Updated: 17:32 EDT, 12 July 2021 ... It is believed that the hotel rooms that were raided belonged to Platt and Ricardo Rodriguez. Ricardo admitted during the jail interview to having a handgun and AK-47 in his room.
Ricardo said there was a haul of weapons inside Platts' hotel room.
'They had quite a bit. They had a sniper rifle, probably two of them. Three mid-sized assault rifles, AK-47s. Probably another short-entry weapon. Numerous firearms ranging from 9mm to 40mm,' he said.
'He said he was collecting them for his friends. He had a lot of guns... I don't know what his intentions were.
'My understanding is he was going to be selling them, trading them, that's about it.' ...
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... Three mid-sized assault rifles, AK-47s. ...
Unless they were select-fire, capable of full automatic, that's probably little more than "reporter" talk for, "It sure looks scary to me!"
And was "sniper rifle" reporterese for "hunting rifle with a scope"?
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How the heck do you purchase a gun illegally, other than receiving stolen goods?
@roamer_1
You do it by being one of those nasty people that buy a gun without seeking permission from your lord and masters in the local goobermint.
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@roamer_1
You do it by being one of those nasty people that buy a gun without seeking permission from your lord and masters in the local goobermint.
I don't need no damn permission. And I'd reckon, neither do you, @sneakypete :beer:
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I don't need no damn permission. And I'd reckon, neither do you, @sneakypete :beer:
@roamer_1
True story. Where CC was being considered,the decision was left in the hands of the local sheriffs. If the majority of the sheriff's said "yes",it was a done deal. If they said "no",it wasn't going to happen.
My local sheriff was said to be on the edge,so I drove up to the courthouse,went in his office,and asked him what the hell was wrong with him. He and I had known each other casually for years,going back to when we both lived in another county and he was a deputy there.
He said "I'm not sure I feel comfortable with people carrying concealed guns. It has been legal for years to carry openly,so why conceal them?"
My reply to him was "Hell,I've been carrying concealed the whole damn time you have known me. I have a 3 inch 44 Special in my pocket right now. Wanna see it?"
When he said "No,that's not necessary," I asked him "Can you SERIOUSLY look me in the eye and tell me you are afraid of me being able to legally carry a concealed weapon?"
That was when he told me he had decided to support it,and I had BETTER have my ass standing in his office the first day it became legal to apply for a permit."
He even called me on the phone the night before it became legal and told me "Be in my office at 9 am tomorrow morning so I can personally fingerprint you and send your application to the state."
I was,and when he got though with the paper work,he told his secretary "Give him any a permit to get any damn thing he asks for,including machine guns. Go ahead and sign my name without asking. He gets blanket approval for anything he wants."
Granted,looking back on it,going into his office carrying a concealed revolver and telling him I had it wasn't the most clever move I ever made,but it worked.
BTW,I truthfully told him and his secretary to never worry about me asking for a MG permit. I hate the damn things. They are ok for people that want them,but I am NOT one of those people.
I am a member of the "take aim and hit what the hell you want to shoot" clan,not the "spray and pray" clan.
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@roamer_1
True story. Where CC was being considered,the decision was left in the hands of the local sheriffs. If the majority of the sheriff's said "yes",it was a done deal. If they said "no",it wasn't going to happen.
My local sheriff was said to be on the edge,so I drove up to the courthouse,went in his office,and asked him what the hell was wrong with him. He and I had known each other casually for years,going back to when we both lived in another county and he was a deputy there.
He said "I'm not sure I feel comfortable with people carrying concealed guns. It has been legal for years to carry openly,so why conceal them?"
My reply to him was "Hell,I've been carrying concealed the whole damn time you have known me. I have a 3 inch 44 Special in my pocket right now. Wanna see it?"
When he said "No,that's not necessary," I asked him "Can you SERIOUSLY look me in the eye and tell me you are afraid of me being able to legally carry a concealed weapon?"
That was when he told me he had decided to support it,and I had BETTER have my ass standing in his office the first day it became legal to apply for a permit."
He even called me on the phone the night before it became legal and told me "Be in my office at 9 am tomorrow morning so I can personally fingerprint you and send your application to the state."
I was,and when he got though with the paper work,he told his secretary "Give him any a permit to get any damn thing he asks for,including machine guns. Go ahead and sign my name without asking. He gets blanket approval for anything he wants."
Granted,looking back on it,going into his office carrying a concealed revolver and telling him I had it wasn't the most clever move I ever made,but it worked.
BTW,I truthfully told him and his secretary to never worry about me asking for a MG permit. I hate the damn things. They are ok for people that want them,but I am NOT one of those people.
I am a member of the "take aim and hit what the hell you want to shoot" clan,not the "spray and pray" clan.
A but different than me @sneakypete ... Typically I am law abiding, and usually cops can count on my support (and that has been required a time or two).... But there is considerable gray area where the cops don't ask, because they don't want to know.
I can go bandit at a moments notice, and I function just fine on the other side of the line,. And I will never have a permit, nor will they ever know what I have, nor will I ever turn them in, felony or not, laws passed or not. I will go right down the hoot owl trail for that.
Some things you do not mess with, and one of them is my right to defend myself and feed myself.
So that ever happens up in here, they can go pound sand. Though I am pretty safe in saying everybody up here would say the same dang thing, including the sheriff and the governor.
TWO of my guns are sacrificial - registered, because no one would believe a guy like me would have none. They are bought specifically for the purpose of looking like I am in compliance. But I have caches up in the woods they ain't gonna find, and by the time I am up in the holler, I guarantee they won't find them or me.
I WILL NOT COMPLY.
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A but different than me @sneakypete ... Typically I am law abiding, and usually cops can count on my support (and that has been required a time or two).... But there is considerable gray area where the cops don't ask, because they don't want to know.
I can go bandit at a moments notice, and I function just fine on the other side of the line,. And I will never have a permit, nor will they ever know what I have, nor will I ever turn them in, felony or not, laws passed or not. I will go right down the hoot owl trail for that.
Some things you do not mess with, and one of them is my right to defend myself and feed myself.
So that ever happens up in here, they can go pound sand. Though I am pretty safe in saying everybody up here would say the same dang thing, including the sheriff and the governor.
TWO of my guns are sacrificial - registered, because no one would believe a guy like me would have none. They are bought specifically for the purpose of looking like I am in compliance. But I have caches up in the woods they ain't gonna find, and by the time I am up in the holler, I guarantee they won't find them or me.
I WILL NOT COMPLY.
@roamer_1
I don't own anything illegal and I don't deny owning a single damn thing I own. If they want it,let them come and try to take from me,KNOWING there is a price to be paid for doing such a thing.
IF they are your RIGHTS,you stand up for them.
If you don't,it won't be long before they are priviliges,not rights.
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@roamer_1
I don't own anything illegal and I don't deny owning a single damn thing I own. If they want it,let them come and try to take from me,KNOWING there is a price to be paid for doing such a thing.
IF they are your RIGHTS,you stand up for them.
If you don't,it won't be long before they are priviliges,not rights.
@sneakypete
Yeah... Hills to de on are counterproductive... Maybe you and me are different critters. I ain't made for that mindset. I am a hunter, born and bred.A tracker and trapper that functions without supply lines. Take me out of that element, and I am near useless. But in that element, I will hold my own.
I will stand alright... In the woods, from cover, a few hundred yards off, with an exit plan. And live to do it again. I am too damn old to do otherwise.
Barking about it is fine, till barking won't do. If the barking is done, the hunting begins. It's all I know.
And that requires forethought, and that's why the caches... Which I do ANYWAY, not because I am looking for war - But because I might be caught out, and them caches are closer than town.
Nothing I own is illegal, and every purchase was proper... There is no law here that i report those transactions. Not that I would anyway.
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@sneakypete
Yeah... Hills to de on are counterproductive... Maybe you and me are different critters. I ain't made for that mindset. I am a hunter, born and bred.A tracker and trapper that functions without supply lines. Take me out of that element, and I am near useless. But in that element, I will hold my own.
I will stand alright... In the woods, from cover, a few hundred yards off, with an exit plan. And live to do it again. I am too damn old to do otherwise.
Barking about it is fine, till barking won't do. If the barking is done, the hunting begins. It's all I know.
And that requires forethought, and that's why the caches... Which I do ANYWAY, not because I am looking for war - But because I might be caught out, and them caches are closer than town.
Nothing I own is illegal, and every purchase was proper... There is no law here that i report those transactions. Not that I would anyway.
@roamer_1
I am old,crippled up,and couldn't run 50 feet if you set me on fire.
If the come for mine,they are going to have to take them.
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@roamer_1
I am old,crippled up,and couldn't run 50 feet if you set me on fire.
If the come for mine,they are going to have to take them.
If push comes to shove where I live it can only end one way. So when & if the toadies come the writing for me is on the wall.
If I owned any weapons, of course.
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@roamer_1
I am old,crippled up,and couldn't run 50 feet if you set me on fire.
If the come for mine,they are going to have to take them.
@sneakypete
I can respect that. I am angling for one more play...Which us why I am working so hard to get back up on the mountain. Might not be in the cards for me either... Whereupon I might be thinking like you.
But for now, I have a family to protect, and the only way I can see fit to do that is up in the holler. I am establishing a rear base for them, more than for me, if it ever comes to pass. So long as I still can, that is what I will be doing. Once I have a place for my kin to come to, then I will worry about what's next.
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If push comes to shove where I live it can only end one way. So when & if the toadies come the writing for me is on the wall.
If I owned any weapons, of course.
There's always Vasona Lake and Lexington Reservoir ......
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There's always Vasona Lake and Lexington Reservoir ......
Lol yeah there's that. But our glorious leaders have made it a crime to a) not report a loss of a firearm in real time and b) falsely report the loss of a firearm.
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Lol yeah there's that. But our glorious leaders have made it a crime to a) not report a loss of a firearm in real time and b) falsely report the loss of a firearm.
It just happened. Honest.