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http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywood/2013/12/27/Silence-on-the-Lambs-Palin-Cruz-Jindal-Had-Duck-Dynasty-Patriarch-s-Back-GOP-Leadership-Didn-t
Silence of the Lambs: GOP Establishment Remained Neutral on 'Duck Dynasty' Controversy
by Tony Lee 28 Dec 2013, 11:45 AM PDT
Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, Republican Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal, and Sen.Ted Cruz (R-TX) emphatically defended Duck Dynasty patriarch Phil Robertson from the moment he was suspended by A&E for supposedly anti-gay remarks. The suspension provoked a relentless outpouring of support online, which pressured A&E to reinstate Robertson on Friday.
Palin, Jindal, and Cruz's support was in contrast to the silence of the Republican establishment, its leadership, and the Republican National Committee. The latter focused instead on Kwanzaa and promoting amnesty, which the Congressional Budget Office determined would lower the wages of working class Americans, many of whom make up the bulk of the Duck Dynasty audience.
Palin took to Twitter on December 18–the night Robertson was suspended–saying A&E had caved to the "'intolerants' hatin’ and taking on the Duck Dynasty patriarch for voicing his personal opinion." Palin said "free speech is an endangered species," and those "intolerants" are "taking on all of us."
The next morning, Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal (R) said, "I remember when TV networks believed in the First Amendment."
"It is a messed up situation when Miley Cyrus gets a laugh, and Phil Robertson gets suspended," Jindal wrote.
Later in the day, Sen.Ted Cruz (R-TX) said Robertson's suspension was an affront to those who value freedom of speech and religion.
"The reason that so many Americans love Duck Dynasty is because it represents the America usually ignored or mocked by liberal elites: a family that loves and cares for each other, believes in God, and speaks openly about their faith," Cruz wrote.
Palin, Cruz, and Jindal were repeatedly mentioned in stories in the mainstream media about Robertson. In contrast, the Republican establishment organizations and D.C. figureheads were ducking for cover and nowhere to be found, reinforcing the suspicions of the "Teavengelical" base that has always suspected that the Republican elite on the coasts and in D.C. disdains them and their "flyover country" values.
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In some ways, this is good. This was done by the people, not by political powers. The people need to know the power they have when they stand up. Now to get them to stand up like this for big issues.
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Must be a slow weekend, or Tony Lee is OBSESSED with trashing the "GOP Establishment."
What a silly thing to get his panties in a wad over.
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Cheers for those with the inclination to keep their heads down, keep their ammo dry and wait to make every dem own Obamacare every day until November elections.
There are plenty of professional entertainers, and every elected official in our faire lands doesn't need to try to be one.
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Cheers for those with the inclination to keep their heads down, keep their ammo dry and wait to make every dem own Obamacare every day until November elections.
There are plenty of professional entertainers, and every elected official in our faire lands doesn't need to try to be one.
That's for sure.
Jindal spoke up because Phil Robertson is a personal friend.
Palin spoke up because......well, she has a book out.
This was never a "free speech" issue. It was about the marketplace. A&E knee-jerked by suspending Robertson, thinking his remarks would negatively affect their bottom line.
Turns out they were wrong, they realized they were wrong, and they've backtracked.
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In some ways, this is good. This was done by the people, not by political powers. The people need to know the power they have when they stand up. Now to get them to stand up like this for big issues.
I agree with you: in some ways, it is good.
It proves that regular people are not yet so cowed by political correctness that they cannot speak out against bullying in the name of loud and powerful interest groups. It proves that ordinary Americans are still willing to defend freedom of speech, even in the face of cultural fascism.
Would that they had a political party whose leaders were equally willing to risk their small careers in the name of liberty.
Cowardice in the pursuit of comity is not a virtue. Bravery in the pursuit of truth is not a vice.
When leadership fails, new leaders arise. Such leaders must be judged as well as the old, for their character, the validity of their beliefs, and for their intentions. But they ought not be mocked at least for the courage to stand up and be heard.
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goopo I like the way you think and express yourself.
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"When leadership fails, new leaders arise. Such leaders must be judged as well as the old, for their character, the validity of their beliefs, and for their intentions. But they ought not be mocked at least for the courage to stand up and be heard."
This all is a lesson for Congress. "Only this far, and no farther" It is a phrase which has been used historically in America. Those people may have a lock on the Government and voting and the media, but it would be premature to count 'real America' out just yet. I know a lot of really good men who will not be taken down by the weenies in Congress and Hollywood.
The fact that we now see open ridicule and disrespect of Sharpton and Jackson as idiots, along with the public slapdown of the 'gay agenda' signals a pendulum swing away from Liberal bullshit and back to real America.
Being decent and intellectual people, we gave them their shot. In return they gave us the curse of Barack Obama. I don't think gays or Black race pimps or Liberals are bad people, per se, they have simply worn their welcome. They have proven in a very real and stark way, that they do not have the capacity to lead.
They may be nice people, in a vegan, tofu eating way, but they should never be allowed to be in charge. They cannot lead, and they cannot be trusted with my life, or the life of my friends, family, and neighbors.
Liberals are a curiosity, and some are nice, but they should never be put in charge of anything. They will just F--- it up, everytime. You can't live in a dream land and run real world projects. It doesn't work.
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In some ways, this is good. This was done by the people, not by political powers. The people need to know the power they have when they stand up. Now to get them to stand up like this for big issues.
:thumbsup:
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Duck Dynasty, like all reality shows is scripted. As was the controversy. As was the suspension and the media coverage. As was the lifting of the suspension. Its just ratings. For those who played their scripted roles and made it a national story, thank you for making Gay&E more money.
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Duck Dynasty, like all reality shows is scripted. As was the controversy. As was the suspension and the media coverage. As was the lifting of the suspension. Its just ratings. For those who played their scripted roles and made it a national story, thank you for making Gay&E more money.
The professional wrestling scenario crossed my mind too.
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Duck Dynasty, like all reality shows is scripted. As was the controversy. As was the suspension and the media coverage. As was the lifting of the suspension. Its just ratings. For those who played their scripted roles and made it a national story, thank you for making Gay&E more money.
Unless and until someone spills the beans we'll never know for sure.
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The only way this could be like prowrestling would be if GLAAD was playing the role of the compliant bitch, who gets slapped down.
Well, on second though, that wouldn't be entirely out of character for them, now would it.
Duck Dynesty said 'to hell with gays', the same as I feel and about hundreds of millions of others believe. No agenda. No subtrefuge.
It is just that 'reality' is so strange these days, people have a hard time understanding it. We do not live in the makebelieve Liberal-land, and it confuses them.
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The only way this could be like prowrestling would be if GLAAD was playing the role of the compliant bitch, who gets slapped down.
Well, on second though, that wouldn't be entirely out of character for them, now would it.
Duck Dynesty said 'to hell with gays', the same as I feel and about hundreds of millions of others believe. No agenda. No subtrefuge.
It is just that 'reality' is so strange these days, people have a hard time understanding it. We do not live in the makebelieve Liberal-land, and it confuses them.
Actually, GLAAD reacts so predictably to things that they could have played the straight man (so to speak) in a wag-the-dog scenario without realizing that they were being played.
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You make a good point. but i disagree.
This was an episode of America saying enough is enough. It is one thing to give homosexuals 'equal rights', it is a whole different thing to exalt them as being some kind of perfect person.
The gays and the Blacks have overstepped. It is one thing to be 'equal', but when you start declaring yourself as being 'superior', then you have gone out of bounds.
Liberal gay agenda.
Liberal black agenda.
Liberal muslim agenda.
It is all the same thing. They have a plan, and this is just one step in recognizing it.
No, it was not planned. It was just one White boy American, talking like a White boy American would always talk.
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I have pretty much stayed out of this rumble because I really didn't have a dog in the hunt. Didn't really watch the show except in passing while flipping channels.
The reality here, my thoughts-political as well as religious, align far more with Phil Robertson than the GOP. As far as the GOP is concerned, they can join GLAAD and sit and rotate.
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IMO, the GOP acted very professionally here.
Just because Barack Obama has something to say all the time on these national tabloid-type stories, doesn't mean the Republican Party has to follow him.
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I think the GOP did the right thing by not getting into the best.
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Those agreeing with the GOP are ignoring the other half of the article... The GOP did see fit to send congratulations fir a non existent holiday... Kwanzaa.
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Me too. I don't have a problem with it at all. Everything doesn't always have to be all-politics-all-the-time.
This was just another cultural-bullying episode-- brought to you once again by the Gaystapo.
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Those agreeing with the GOP are ignoring the other half of the article... The GOP did see fit to send congratulations fir a non existent holiday... Kwanzaa.
RNC promoted Kwanzaa, a holiday few celebrate
On 12/26/13, the RNC released this statement:
Republican National Committee (RNC) Chairman Reince Priebus and RNC Co-Chairman Sharon Day released the following statement commemorating Kwanzaa:
“I want to extend my best wishes to all who are celebrating Kwanzaa,” said Chairman Priebus. “For families coming together to mark the occasion, I hope it is a joyous time of celebration with loved ones–and a time of meaningful reflection ahead of the New Year.”
“From December 26 through January 1, many families will take time to celebrate African culture and history. Kwanzaa is a wonderful opportunity for all of us to honor the importance of family and community, and it reminds us of the great diversity in America. Happy Kwanzaa!” said Co-Chairman Day.
The RNC also made this tweet:
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Happy Kwanzaa! Wishing those celebrating a joyous time with loved ones and a time of meaningful reflection ahead of the New Year.
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That tweet was the target of derision online via The Wire and also written about by The Root.
As FITSnews points out:
Recent estimates put Kwanzaa participation among blacks at a measly 1.25 percent. For those of you keeping score at home, that means 39.9 million black families do not celebrate Kwanzaa. Only 500,000 do.
HardHatters.com is critical of the move by the RNC
Priebus’ announcement may be recognized as the GOP’s newest strategy at embarking “on a year-round effort to engage with African American voters”, but is commemorating Kwanzaa really the best approach? As of the 2010 population, there are roughly 39 million Black Americans living in the United States, yet its estimated that only half a million to two million or just 1%-5% of Black Americans even celebrate Kwanzaa. Surely, there are better ways to reach a larger portion of the Black American population. As one author noted, while Kwanzaa is meant to celebrate African culture, “most African Americans can’t pinpoint [their] African origins and that African culture is vastly diverse.” Urban Daily points that “black people just don’t care about Kwanzaa”, and they note that it is at the wrong time of year and difficult to remember.
The piece above goes on to discuss the origins of Kwanzaa and the background of its founder while further criticizing the RNC. There are much more effective ways to do African-American outreach and I hope the RNC is actually doing those things and not relying too much on a press release sent the day after Christmas that very few people will see or hear about regarding a holiday that very few are actually celebrating.
http://www.quintonreport.com/2013/12/27/rnc-promoted-kwanzaa-a-holiday-few-celebrate/ (http://www.quintonreport.com/2013/12/27/rnc-promoted-kwanzaa-a-holiday-few-celebrate/)
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IMO, there was no reason for the RNC to say a word about the controversy.
It wasn't about the government's imposing itself and curtailing free speech, so it wasn't political in that sense.
It was about a network trying to silence the freedom of one of it's most popular stars (while ignoring offenses of others), and in a larger sense about the increasing obstruction of freedom of Christians to state basic beliefs of faith.
It wasn't a GOP matter, and I join those who say it was good that they didn't get involved.
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IMO, there was no reason for the RNC to say a word about the controversy.
It wasn't about the government's imposing itself and curtailing free speech, so it wasn't political in that sense.
It was about a network trying to silence the freedom of one of it's most popular stars (while ignoring offenses of others), and in a larger sense about the increasing obstruction of freedom of Christians to state basic beliefs of faith.
It wasn't a GOP matter, and I join those who say it was good that they didn't get involved.
Had it been the Government doing it, different story.
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Had it been the Government doing it, different story.
And you think they would have said something? I highly doubt it.
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IMO, there was no reason for the RNC to say a word about the controversy.
It wasn't about the government's imposing itself and curtailing free speech, so it wasn't political in that sense.
It was about a network trying to silence the freedom of one of it's most popular stars (while ignoring offenses of others), and in a larger sense about the increasing obstruction of freedom of Christians to state basic beliefs of faith.
It wasn't a GOP matter, and I join those who say it was good that they didn't get involved.
The network didn't try to silence anyone's freedom. The fact that he exercised his freedom, fully and without network interference is what caused the brouhaha to begin with.
In fact, the network was criticized for knowing what Phil said in the interview in advance of it going public and NOT trying to silence him (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywood/2013/12/20/A-E-Likely-Knew-What-Robertson-Was-Saying-in-Fateful-Interview).
Everyone is free to speak their minds, but no one is free from the possible consequences of doing so.
The network executives have equal freedom to terminate contracts at will.
The GOP didn't need to get involved because it had absolutely nothing to do with politics or government.
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It would have been proper had republicans related the events with A&E and DD, by coming out and letting the folks know how capitalism will work in this case. That the people are taking a stand, and that is the way it should be. They could remind the people that government should not involve itself in matters that are none of its business. They would be killing two birds with one stone. By being silent, they were again showing weakness by avoid any controversy. It's too obvious it's all about the votes. They missed out on a good teaching lesson.
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It would have been proper had republicans related the events with A&E and DD, by coming out and letting the folks know how capitalism will work in this case. That the people are taking a stand, and that is the way it should be. They could remind the people that government should not involve itself in matters that are none of its business. They would be killing two birds with one stone. By being silent, they were again showing weakness by avoid any controversy. It's too obvious it's all about the votes. They missed out on a good teaching lesson.
Government didn't involve itself in this matter. THis was none of the GOP's business either.
It's not the job of politicians to "teach." I don't look to any of them to "teach" me anything.
Suspending Robertson was a business decision and reinstating him was a business decision. Trying to make it political would be the height of cynicism.
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The network didn't try to silence anyone's freedom. The fact that he exercised his freedom, fully and without network interference is what caused the brouhaha to begin with.
In fact, the network was criticized for knowing what Phil said in the interview in advance of it going public and NOT trying to silence him (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywood/2013/12/20/A-E-Likely-Knew-What-Robertson-Was-Saying-in-Fateful-Interview).
Everyone is free to speak their minds, but no one is free from the possible consequences of doing so.
The network executives have equal freedom to terminate contracts at will.
The GOP didn't need to get involved because it had absolutely nothing to do with politics or government.
I agree with your last statement, and also agree that the network had the right to do what it did.
It was just stupid because, under the pressure of the bullies from GLAAD, they sought to silence Phil's free speech by removing him from the show.
In the end, however, they had to reverse their boneheaded decision, so all's well that ends well.
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It would have been proper had republicans related the events with A&E and DD, by coming out and letting the folks know how capitalism will work in this case. That the people are taking a stand, and that is the way it should be. They could remind the people that government should not involve itself in matters that are none of its business. They would be killing two birds with one stone. By being silent, they were again showing weakness by avoid any controversy. It's too obvious it's all about the votes. They missed out on a good teaching lesson.
With all due respect, I don't think the republicans weakened themselves by refusing to politicize what was nothing more than a disagreement about marketing between two equally-placed market participants. The GOP would have made itself look stupid to a large group of voters no matter which side it chose if it had waded in where it did not belong.
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I agree with your last statement, and also agree that the network had the right to do what it did.
It was just stupid because, under the pressure of the bullies from GLAAD, they sought to silence Phil's free speech by removing him from the show.
In the end, however, they had to reverse their boneheaded decision, so all's well that ends well.
They did no such thing.
If you come into my house and start spouting communist slogans, the fact that I throw you out of my house doesn't silence you, or violate your right of free speech.
It just makes you carry on elsewhere.
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Duck Dynasty, like all reality shows is scripted. As was the controversy. As was the suspension and the media coverage. As was the lifting of the suspension. Its just ratings. For those who played their scripted roles and made it a national story, thank you for making Gay&E more money.
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No other program on cable comes close to the DD ratings nope this was GLAAD being GLAAD and for the second time it backfired on them. Frankly there is a growing number of Americans sick of having things shoved down their throat..
No pun intended
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They did no such thing.
If you come into my house and start spouting communist slogans, the fact that I throw you out of my house doesn't silence you, or violate your right of free speech.
It just makes you carry on elsewhere.
That's an absurd analogy.
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With all due respect, I don't think the republicans weakened themselves by refusing to politicize what was nothing more than a disagreement about marketing between two equally-placed market participants. The GOP would have made itself look stupid to a large group of voters no matter which side it chose if it had waded in where it did not belong.
:amen: I couldn't agree more!
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There is a saying, "It is better not say a word and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.". Another saying? Even a fish wouldn't get caught if it kept it's mouth shut.
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No other program on cable comes close to the DD ratings nope this was GLAAD being GLAAD and for the second time it backfired on them. Frankly there is a growing number of Americans sick of having things shoved down their throat..
No pun intended
Once again, the idea that the Robertson family was just speaking out as per scripted is absurd, and conspiratorial.
Some folks have overactive imaginations......
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Once again, the idea that the Robertson family was just speaking out as per scripted is absurd, and conspiratorial.
Some folks have overactive imaginations......
Exactly. Average ratings of 14 - 17 million viewers per show compared to around 1.5 million for other programs on A&E (and other cable channels)...... there was nothing they needed to do to raise their ratings, most networks and advertisers would kill for those rating numbers.
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Once again, the idea that the Robertson family was just speaking out as per scripted is absurd, and conspiratorial.
Ah, don't worry about it, ML. The members of the "publicity stunt" cabal don't mean a word of what they say and are only posting such things in order to draw attention to themselves or for some other deep emotional need.
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That's an absurd analogy.
It doesn't make it so just because you say so.
You also need to say why you think that it is.
My house is my property, just as A&E is the Disney corporation's network, their property, and by extension, their "house".
Phil Robertson's rights were not in the least bit violated, nor was he silenced.
He still believes in what he believes in, he's unapologetic for what he said, the magazine has not been pulled off the shelves, and he is free to continue expressing his beliefs.
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Exactly. Average ratings of 14 - 17 million viewers per show compared to around 1.5 million for other programs on A&E (and other cable channels)...... there was nothing they needed to do to raise their ratings, most networks and advertisers would kill for those rating numbers.
Yes. That is why billionaires stop at one billion. They need do nothing anymore to make more money. They already have a billion dollars.
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Once again, the idea that the Robertson family was just speaking out as per scripted is absurd, and conspiratorial.
Some folks have overactive imaginations......
Reality shows are scripted.
They're not given dialogue to read, but predetermined situations where they act as themselves for the cameras.
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With all due respect, I don't think the republicans weakened themselves by refusing to politicize what was nothing more than a disagreement about marketing between two equally-placed market participants. The GOP would have made itself look stupid to a large group of voters no matter which side it chose if it had waded in where it did not belong.
Hear, hear!
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Reality shows are scripted.
They're not given dialogue to read, but predetermined situations where they act as themselves for the cameras.
A clear example of what I said earlier, he's only posting such things in order to draw attention to [himself] or for some other deep emotional need.
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Reality shows are scripted.
They're not given dialogue to read, but predetermined situations where they act as themselves for the cameras.
Aren't many "filmed" in advance, so they can be edited?
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Aren't many "filmed" in advance, so they can be edited?
Yep. Multiple cameras as well. Laura Bruce (Downsized) told me there are always at least 4 cameras rolling. It makes it difficult to react normally! There is no director shouting "Cut, take it from the top again" but the editing is done to provide a narrative flow.
It's an expected trick - People expect entertainment to be linear, but peoples lives never are.
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It doesn't make it so just because you say so.
You also need to say why you think that it is.
My house is my property, just as A&E is the Disney corporation's network, their property, and by extension, their "house".
Phil Robertson's rights were not in the least bit violated, nor was he silenced.
He still believes in what he believes in, he's unapologetic for what he said, the magazine has not been pulled off the shelves, and he is free to continue expressing his beliefs.
You're missing the fact that he lost his job because of the pressure of GLAAD for saying what he believed in.
He was NOT in A&E's "house" when he stated his religious beliefs.
Your analogy is absurd.
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Reality shows are scripted.
They're not given dialogue to read, but predetermined situations where they act as themselves for the cameras.
The discussion is not about what happens on the show.
Try to keep up, Luis.
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Reality shows are scripted.
They're not given dialogue to read, but predetermined situations where they act as themselves for the cameras.
A clear example of what I said earlier, he's only posting such things in order to draw attention to [himself] or for some other deep emotional need.
He's being deliberately obtuse, and changing the subject just to keep being contrarian.
It's a pattern.
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You're missing the fact that he lost his job because of the pressure of GLAAD for saying what he believed in.
He was NOT in A&E's "house" when he stated his religious beliefs.
Your analogy is absurd.
Earlier this year, a number of contestants in the reality show "Big Brother" made several clearly bigoted and racist remarks about other members of the cast. They were fired from their real-life jobs before the show ended (http://www.examiner.com/article/big-brother-15-andy-the-fourth-houseguest-to-be-fired-over-racist-remarks) because the companies that they worked for did not wish them to be associated with their companies.
That's an employer's right, and that is A&E's right as the network that airs Duck Dynasty. Generally speaking, we're an "at will" employment nation, and as such, an employer can fire you for a good reason, a bad reason, or no reason at all.
So things that you do outside of work can (and will) get you fired, like it or not.
If A&E did not wish to be associated with Phil Robertson as a result of his remarks, they had every right to do so.
In fact, they didn't even have to give anyone a reason why they fired him.
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The discussion is not about what happens on the show.
Try to keep up, Luis.
Go mother someone else, I already have one.
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He's being deliberately obtuse, and changing the subject just to keep being contrarian.
It's a pattern.
I'm not being obtuse. I'm being informed while you're being ignorant.
Try reading a bit for a change:
The phenomenal success of A&E’s “Duck Dynasty” has resulted in inevitable questions about how this “reality” show is created.
It is openly described by its producers as a “hybrid” reality show that combines elements of unscripted TV shows with the structure and storylines most people associate with scripted situation comedies.
On “The Today Show” Wednesday morning, Matt Lauer asked the “Duck Dynasty” cast to ‘fess up: Is the show “real” or is it scripted? The answer: It’s a little bit of both.
“Scripted reality, right?” said Lauer, introducing the subject. “You guys call it, I think, ‘guided reality’? What does that mean? What’s the guided part?”
The first answer came from Robertson family patriarch Phil Robertson. “Most of the time … we ad-lib,” he said. “Think about it: Someone out of L.A. is fixing to put words into our mouth? Gimme a break.”
“Well, they don’t write the script for you, right?” Lauer asked.
“No,” said Phil, although his brother, Si, revealed a few moments later that the producers do hand the family members some sort of script — an apparent guideline that Si said he ignores anyway.
Added Jase, one of the bearded Robertson sons: “It’s a bit of a culture shock,” he said of the producers’ interactions with this family of fiercely independent Louisianans. “They come up with ideas and we just get to be ourselves in the situation,” he explained.
http://xfinity.comcast.net/blogs/tv/2013/08/14/reality-or-scripted-duck-dynasty-stars-explain-their-show-watch/
Hmmmm...
That sounds oddly like what I said:
They're not given dialogue to read, but predetermined situations where they act as themselves for the cameras
Keep up musiclady.
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docusoap, docudrama
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The following question was posted on the expertlaw.com forum back in December 2011:
Can You Get Fired for Doing Something Outside of Work
The first response pretty much sums everything up nicely:
You can be fired for bringing flowers and a box of chocolates to your manager and telling them that they're the best manager in the world.
In other words, you can get fired for a good reason, a bad reason, or no reason at all.
If you don't think so, ask Olivia Sprauer.
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Go mother someone else, I already have one.
Am I supposed to be offended by that, Luis? :silly:
(You're not good at being a troll, and you're not good at insults either. What ARE you good at? Anything??)
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I'm not being obtuse. I'm being informed while you're being ignorant.
Try reading a bit for a change:
http://xfinity.comcast.net/blogs/tv/2013/08/14/reality-or-scripted-duck-dynasty-stars-explain-their-show-watch/
Hmmmm...
That sounds oddly like what I said:
They're not given dialogue to read, but predetermined situations where they act as themselves for the cameras
Keep up musiclady.
Ummmm...............the discussion is not about the definition of what constitutes a reality show.
Therein lies your continued obtuseness......
btw, I think we agree that the GOP shouldn't have interfered in this, and that IS the subject of the thread, your trollishness notwithstanding.
On that I will bid you a fond farewell, until you troll this forum again........
Bye, sonny. :seeya:
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The following question was posted on the expertlaw.com forum back in December 2011:
Can You Get Fired for Doing Something Outside of Work
The first response pretty much sums everything up nicely:
You can be fired for bringing flowers and a box of chocolates to your manager and telling them that they're the best manager in the world.
In other words, you can get fired for a good reason, a bad reason, or no reason at all.
If you don't think so, ask Olivia Sprauer.
And once again you're making a point against a position that no one here has stated.
Obtuse.
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Am I supposed to be offended by that, Luis? :silly:
(You're not good at being a troll, and you're not good at insults either. What ARE you good at? Anything??)
I don't know whether you will or not, nor do I care.
But if you're going to tell others to stay on topic, address the issue and not the individual posting it.
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Ummmm...............the discussion is not about the definition of what constitutes a reality show.
Therein lies your continued obtuseness......
btw, I think we agree that the GOP shouldn't have interfered in this, and that IS the subject of the thread, your trollishness notwithstanding.
On that I will bid you a fond farewell, until you troll this forum again........
Bye, sonny. :seeya:
The discussion is about whatever it is that I wish to discuss.
The point I made addressed a point that you made.
Ignore is a wonderful feature.
Use it at will.
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Am I supposed to be offended by that, Luis? :silly:
(You're not good at being a troll, and you're not good at insults either. What ARE you good at? Anything??)
You should consider changing your moniker if you're going to be mean like that. :laugh:
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You should consider changing your moniker if you're going to be mean like that. :laugh:
Don't start, DC.
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You should consider changing your moniker if you're going to be mean like that. :laugh:
Amazing.
Complaining about the alleged violation of Robertson's freedom of speech out of one side of her mouth, while dictating what I can or can't say in this thread out of the other.
You can't make this stuff up.
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Don't start, DC.
You consistently get who starts what wrong.
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You consistently get who starts what wrong.
Yes, I do. It's a gift. :laugh:
I'm sitting this one out, my FRiend.
So glad you're back. :beer:
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Yes, I do. It's a gift. :laugh:
I'm sitting this one out, my FRiend.
So glad you're back. :beer:
Fixed it.
The silence no longer belongs to just the lambs.
:laugh:
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The discussion is about whatever it is that I wish to discuss.
The point I made addressed a point that you made.
Ignore is a wonderful feature.
Use it at will.
You're not worth ignoring, Luis.
Sorry, but you're importance is in your own head.
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You should consider changing your moniker if you're going to be mean like that. :laugh:
LOL! Who says music ladies can't be 'mean' to trolls who aren't even good at trolling? :patriot:
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Amazing.
Complaining about the alleged violation of Robertson's freedom of speech out of one side of her mouth, while dictating what I can or can't say in this thread out of the other.
You can't make this stuff up.
I'm not dictating anything, o sensitive one....
You just keep arguing against things that haven't been said, and while you have all the freedom in the world to say whatever you want, I am also free to point out the irrelevance of your pseudo-arguments.
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Yes, I do. It's a gift. :laugh:
I'm sitting this one out, my FRiend.
So glad you're back. :beer:
Interesting use of the term "FRiend."
It's clear that Luis learned a lot about being a failed troll in that other place......... :smokin:
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LOL! Who says music ladies can't be 'mean' to trolls who aren't even good at trolling? :patriot:
You're good at it, toots.
Somebody clearly got your panties in a wad.
It's a sight to behold!!!!
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Interesting use of the term "FRiend."
It's clear that Luis learned a lot about being a failed troll in that other place......... :smokin:
Heck....most of us here go back to TOS. "FRiend" is a term of endearment to me.
That's where both owners and virtually all of the mods originate too.
No big deal, I hope! :beer:
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*toots*......not long ago it was *dame*.....is that how you refer to women?
Man this thread is heading out of control.....stop the bickering..everyone!
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Once again, the idea that the Robertson family was just speaking out as per scripted is absurd, and conspiratorial.
Ah, don't worry about it, ML. The members of the "publicity stunt" cabal don't mean a word of what they say and are only posting such things in order to draw attention to themselves or for some other deep emotional need.
You have a problem with exploring all of the possibilities? Or is your imagination just too weak to grant Mr. Robertson anything beyond the status of a naif, an innocent incapable of any sort of sophisticated or ingenious planning?
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The discussion is about whatever it is that I wish to discuss.
The point I made addressed a point that you made.
Ignore is a wonderful feature.
Use it at will.
Are you saying that ignorance is bliss? :silly:
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*toots*......not long ago it was *dame*.....is that how you refer to women?
Man this thread is heading out of control.....stop the bickering..everyone!
Never used the term "dame." And "toots" is not derisive. Ethel Merman made the term famous with "Toot, Toot, Tootsie Goodbye." It's not gender-specific.
But, that's all I'll say. You're itching to kick me off the forum again, and I'm not going to give you the ammunition.
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Never used the term "dame." And "toots" is not derisive. Ethel Merman made the term famous with "Toot, Toot, Tootsie Goodbye." It's not gender-specific.
But, that's all I'll say. You're itching to kick me off the forum again, and I'm not going to give you the ammunition.
Considering the amount of "credit" to go around on this thread, I seriously doubt you're in any danger of being sent to the corner for whatever you've posted here.
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*toots*......not long ago it was *dame*.....is that how you refer to women?
Man this thread is heading out of control.....stop the bickering..everyone!
I'm good myst.
I'm banging on that ignore button like a new set of bongo drums.
I'm here to hang out with people that I like; DC, sinkspur, Oceander, aligncare...
The rest won't get to me.
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Considering the amount of "credit" to go around on this thread, I seriously doubt you're in any danger of being sent to the corner for whatever you've posted here.
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I'm good myst.
I'm banging on that ignore button like a new set of bongo drums.
I'm here to hang out with people that I like; DC, sinkspur, Oceander, aligncare...
The ninnies, nannies and numbuts won't get to me.
Now you were doing good until you said The ninnies, nannies and numbuts won't get to me.
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Considering the amount of "credit" to go around on this thread, I seriously doubt you're in any danger of being sent to the corner for whatever you've posted here.
I dunno. Myst doesn't like me anymore.
I have the distinction of being on "ignore" with more posters than anybody else here.
So you and Luis and DC and truth seeker and a few others are all I have left.
But, the cream floats to the top, so I'm happy to be dog-paddling up here with you guys.
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Never used the term "dame." And "toots" is not derisive. Ethel Merman made the term famous with "Toot, Toot, Tootsie Goodbye." It's not gender-specific.
But, that's all I'll say. You're itching to kick me off the forum again, and I'm not going to give you the ammunition.
I could have sworn you referred to someone here as a dame not too long ago...my apologies if you didn't.....and I am not *itching* to kick anyone off the forum......just sick to death of the constant bickering I am seeing on a lot of threads....
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I dunno. Myst doesn't like me anymore.
I have the distinction of being on "ignore" with more posters than anybody else here.
So you and Luis and DC and truth seeker and a few others are all I have left.
But, the cream floats to the top, so I'm happy to be dog-paddling up here with you guys.
I have the distinction of being on "ignore" with more posters than anybody else here.
You may have lost that distinction sink since Luis returned.... :smokin:
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I dunno. Myst doesn't like me anymore.
I have the distinction of being on "ignore" with more posters than anybody else here.
So you and Luis and DC and truth seeker and a few others are all I have left.
But, the cream floats to the top, so I'm happy to be dog-paddling up here with you guys.
I wouldn't worry about it, I bet I'm probably on more ignore lists than you are.
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You may have lost that distinction sink since Luis returned.... :smokin:
Hey, if posters here don't like Luis' reasoned posts, it's their loss. Same with Oceander.
Sticking fingers in ears is no way to go through life.
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I could have sworn you referred to someone here as a dame not too long ago...my apologies if you didn't.....and I am not *itching* to kick anyone off the forum......just sick to death of the constant bickering I am seeing on a lot of threads....
What's the point of a discussion forum if everybody agrees?
"Bickering" (a Cokie Roberts term) is the spice of life.
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What's the point of a discussion forum if everybody agrees?
"Bickering" (a Cokie Roberts term) is the spice of life.
People can disagree without bickering...bickering always leads to insults which I see in many threads....say what you want on the term *toots* we have names.
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You're good at it, toots.
Somebody clearly got your panties in a wad.
It's a sight to behold!!!!
I have to admit that this is getting really amusing. :laugh:
Did I say that I agree that the GOP shouldn't have gotten involved in the DD controversy?
Yep.
I did! Cheers, all! :beer:
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I have to admit that this is getting really amusing. :laugh:
Did I say that I agree that the GOP shouldn't have gotten involved in the DD controversy?
Yep.
I did! Cheers, all! :beer:
:thumbsup:
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People can disagree without bickering...bickering always leads to insults which I see in many threads....say what you want on the term *toots* we have names.
My suggestion: just let it go.
If things get out of hand, move to the boxing ring.
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Heck....most of us here go back to TOS. "FRiend" is a term of endearment to me.
That's where both owners and virtually all of the mods originate too.
No big deal, I hope! :beer:
Not a big deal to me.
I just remember TOS well, and how many trolls were there, not to add cogent arguments, but to disrupt.
Sorry if I see a striking parallel to one or two here.
I'm just amused by their hyper-sensitivity after what we all endured at TOS.
(btw, the "toots" is hilarious. I think it made sink feel like he was cool or something.... :silly: )
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I have to admit that this is getting really amusing. :laugh:
Did I say that I agree that the GOP shouldn't have gotten involved in the DD controversy?
Yep.
I did! Cheers, all! :beer:
But that's not all you said.
No matter, though. Take care. Happy New Year.
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:thumbsup:
And amazingly this toots made that comment with my 'panties in a wad.'
This really is amusing.
Haven't had this much fun in a 'debate' for quite a while. :laugh:
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And amazingly this toots made that comment with my 'panties in a wad.'
This really is amusing.
Haven't had this much fun in a 'debate' for quite a while. :laugh:
Every so often a little roughhousing can be good for the soul.
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But that's not all you said.
No matter, though. Take care. Happy New Year.
Of COURSE that's not all I said.
I was giving my POV about the abridgement of Phil Robertson's free speech by his firing.
Oh, btw, my panties are in the same spot as they were when it all began......................toots.........
Now excuse me as I go off to sensitivity training so I don't offend those on this forum with delicate sensibilities on this forum............hehe..................
And Happy New Year to you too. :patriot:
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And amazingly this toots made that comment with my 'panties in a wad.'
This really is amusing.
Haven't had this much fun in a 'debate' for quite a while. :laugh:
Not a big deal to me.
I just remember TOS well, and how many trolls were there, not to add cogent arguments, but to disrupt.
Sorry if I see a striking parallel to one or two here.
I'm just amused by their hyper-sensitivity after what we all endured at TOS.
(btw, the "toots" is hilarious. I think it made sink feel like he was cool or something.... :silly: )
I'm far from cool. Cool never crosses my mind.
If you don't like "toots," how about "chica"?
It's Spanish for "an extremely hot girl".
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Every so often a little roughhousing can be good for the soul.
It really is.
Especially when you know it never gets out of control because of those who run the place.
I've had a smile on my face the entire time. Nothing like a little verbal fisticuffs to keep you on your toes, eh?
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It really is.
Especially when you know it never gets out of control because of those who run the place.
I've had a smile on my face the entire time. Nothing like a little verbal fisticuffs to keep you on your toes, eh?
Absolutely! And a very Happy, Blessed New Year to you and yours!
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I'm far from cool. Cool never crosses my mind.
If you don't like "toots," how about "chica"?
It's Spanish for "an extremely hot girl".
My husband would agree with you BIG time with that one.. :smokin:
(btw, never said I didn't like "toots." Its inanity and desperation made me laugh).
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Absolutely! And a very Happy, Blessed New Year to you and yours!
And to you as well!
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Oh, btw, my panties are in the same spot as they were when it all began......................toots.........
Now excuse me as I go off to sensitivity training so I don't offend those on this forum with delicate sensibilities on this forum............hehe..................
And Happy New Year to you too. :patriot:
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MusicLady.....this would make a great moniker! LOL!
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MusicLady.....this would make a great moniker! LOL!
Something you took? :silly:
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Something you took? :silly:
LOL! Can't claim this one....but I've used it for inspiration!
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LOL! Can't claim this one....but I've used it for inspiration!
Any further and we get into TMI - too much information!
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Now you were doing good until you said
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Read over the thread. Compared what what is bent said about me directly, I'm being epically well-behaved.
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MusicLady.....this would make a great moniker! LOL!
Maybe this is what she drove up in?
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Art Frahm
Apparently this was a staple theme of his artwork: http://www.lileks.com/institute/frahm/
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I love vintage illustrations. Remember Vargas in Playboy?
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Another Marilyn, perhaps?
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Reality shows are scripted.
They're not given dialogue to read, but predetermined situations where they act as themselves for the cameras.
A clear example of what I said earlier, he's only posting such things in order to draw attention to [himself] or for some other deep emotional need.
My emotional needs aside, I'm quoting a member of the Robertson family when I say that.
“Scripted reality, right?” said Lauer, introducing the subject. “You guys call it, I think, ‘guided reality’? What does that mean? What’s the guided part?”
The first answer came from Robertson family patriarch Phil Robertson. “Most of the time … we ad-lib,” he said. “Think about it: Someone out of L.A. is fixing to put words into our mouth? Gimme a break.”
“Well, they don’t write the script for you, right?” Lauer asked.
“No,” said Phil, although his brother, Si, revealed a few moments later that the producers do hand the family members some sort of script — an apparent guideline that Si said he ignores anyway.
Added Jase, one of the bearded Robertson sons: “It’s a bit of a culture shock,” he said of the producers’ interactions with this family of fiercely independent Louisianans. “They come up with ideas and we just get to be ourselves in the situation,” he explained.
As I said...
Reality shows are scripted.
They're not given dialogue to read, but predetermined situations where they act as themselves for the cameras.
Ask Jase if you don't believe me.
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Now you're getting into the "swing" of things!!!
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Ask Jase if you don't believe me.
I don't...believe you, that is. Your posts, and the posts of several others, completely lack sincerity and are only added in order to meet some deep psychological need, the exact nature of which may vary from case to case; but all of which show a desperate need for attention.
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Ask Jase if you don't believe me.
I don't...believe you, that is. Your posts, and the posts of several others, completely lack sincerity and are only added in order to meet some deep psychological need, the exact nature of which may vary from case to case; but all of which show a desperate need for attention.
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Cincy.....you can edit all you want....some of us still saw what you posted. :whistle:
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Ask Jase if you don't believe me.
I don't...believe you, that is. Your posts, and the posts of several others, completely lack sincerity and are only added in order to meet some deep psychological need, the exact nature of which may vary from case to case; but all of which show a desperate need for attention.
Your loss Cinci.
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What is the big deal? The GOP is just emulating our beloved POTUS by voting "present" on this issue. :whistle:
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What is the big deal? The GOP is just emulating our beloved POTUS by voting "present" on this issue. :whistle:
Eggsactly, Ranger! :patriot:
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Cincy.....you can edit all you want....some of us still saw what you posted.
Busted. So I guess I should come clean and tell everyone what I did. In the clause "...but all of which show a desperate need for attention." I changed the word "demonstrate' to "show". Oh, the humanity!
I had intended to add another sentence and use "demonstrate" in it, but changed my mind and left the original post stand with the minor change of ONE word.
That's it, but sharp eyed DCP caught me; and now I feel so ashamed. Almost as ashamed as a male poster should feel if he ever posts anything which refers to women as "biatches".
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Cincy.....you can edit all you want....some of us still saw what you posted. :whistle:
I never pictured you as a misogynist, DC.
Thanks for the revelation..........
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Cincy.....you can edit all you want....some of us still saw what you posted.
Busted. So I guess I should come clean and tell everyone what I did. In the clause "...but all of which show a desperate need for attention." I changed the word "demonstrate' to "show". Oh, the humanity!
I had intended to add another sentence and use "demonstrate" in it, but changed my mind and left the original post stand with the minor change of ONE word.
That's it, but sharp eyed DCP caught me; and now I feel so ashamed. Almost as ashamed as a male poster should feel if he ever posts anything which refers to women as "biatches".
Cincy.....the truth I think is that I had purposely stayed of this thread and only dropped in when I saw another poster(s) start to personally attack and/or demean Luis Gonzales...instead of the post.
Abraxas! posted something perhaps a year or so ago.....paraphrased...."attack the post and not the poster, if you have to attack something". I try to live by that.
I show respect to everybody...until they disrespect the forum or myself. They I change my delivery.
I'm not a potted plant. I can read and follow a conversation.
And more thing. You are a liar if you claim that you only changed a word in your pre-edited post.
You went out of your way to judge (again...you're good at that it seems) people and accused this "cabal" (your word) and others for posting 'soft porn'....which obviously upsets your sensibilities.
I hope that you and I can remain civil.....but it's going to require BOTH of us to participate in that.
Be well! :patriot:
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I never pictured you as a misogynist, DC.
Thanks for the revelation..........
LOL! Sorry, musiclady. I respect and love all the women in my life.
It was a joke.
Why not go out and buy a sense of humor?