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Trump, Kim Summit Ends With No Agreement
HANOI, VIETNAM —
U.S. President Donald Trump said his summit with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un ended Thursday with no agreement because of a divide over the lifting of U.S. sanctions.
“Basically they wanted the sanctions lifted in their entirety and we couldn’t do that,†Trump told reporters at a closing news conference in the Vietnamese capital, Hanoi, the venue for the talks.
“They were willing to denuke a large portion of the areas we wanted, but we couldn’t give up all the sanctions for that.†He said they discussed dismantling the Yongbyon nuclear complex and that Kim promised him North Korea would not conduct tests of rockets, missiles or anything nuclear.
Continued at: https://www.voanews.com/a/trump-kim-summit-ends-with-no-agreement-/4807344.html (https://www.voanews.com/a/trump-kim-summit-ends-with-no-agreement-/4807344.html)
Trump-Kim summit breaks down over sanctions
A summit between US President Donald Trump and the North Korean leader Kim Jong-un ended with no agreement after the US refused North Korean demands for sanctions relief, President Trump said.
"It was about the sanctions," he said at a news conference. "They wanted the sanctions lifted in their entirety and we couldn't do that."
The pair had been expected to announce progress on denuclearisation.
Read more at: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-47398974 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-47398974)
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Later, when asked about the treatment of Otto Warmbier, an American student who spent 17 months in North Korean detention before being returned to the US in a vegetative state and subsequently dying, Trump denied Kim had been aware of the incident.
"He felt badly about it. He felt very badly," Trump said. "He tells me that he didn't know about it and I will take him at his word."
"I don't think that the top leadership knew about it," Trump added. "I don't believe that he (Kim) would have allowed that to happen."
https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/02/27/politics/donald-trump-kim-jong-un-vietnam-summit/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F (https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/02/27/politics/donald-trump-kim-jong-un-vietnam-summit/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F)
Kim, Putin, bin Salman....he’s got a real problem with giving the absolute worst people the benefit of the doubt, publicly.
:facepalm2:
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The Art of the Deal
*****rollingeyes*****
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Trump cuts short North Korea summit after dispute over sanctions: 'Sometimes you have to walk'
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-wasnt-prepared-to-lift-us-sanctions-on-north-korea-leading-to-abrupt-end-to-summit (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-wasnt-prepared-to-lift-us-sanctions-on-north-korea-leading-to-abrupt-end-to-summit)
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Perhaps Trump is reprising Reykjavik.
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A deal does not mean signing on to anything. I'm a bit surprised that Trump is being judged so harshly, the whole thing is a process. Surely, we will hear more analysis.
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Perhaps Trump is reprising Reykjavik.
You mean the summit that eventually led to the 1987 Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty that the Russians constantly violated and from which Trump just recently announced the process of withdrawal?
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You mean the summit that eventually led to the 1987 Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty that the Russians constantly violated and from which Trump just recently announced the process of withdrawal?
Yes that one. BTW what is your point?
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No deal is better than a bad deal. It is unfortunate but we are at that point.
Marco Rubio
â€Verified account @marcorubio
Marco Rubio Retweeted Jonathan Swan
I would love to have a deal with #NorthKorea that eliminates their nuclear weapons & missiles in exhange for lifting many sanctions.
But agreeing to sanctions relief while allowing them to hide warheads & keep missiles would not just be a bad deal,it would be a dangerous one.
https://twitter.com/marcorubio/status/1101144714517065729
That may be stating the obvious but isn't this part of it, not making bad deals.
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A deal does not mean signing on to anything. I'm a bit surprised that Trump is being judged so harshly, the whole thing is a process. Surely, we will hear more analysis.
People can't see the value in the tethers Trump is connecting I guess. No president has ever even met with NK leadership before. His progress is unprecedented and gives plenty of reason to hope.
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Yes that one. BTW what is your point?
The point is rather obvious. Reykjavik led to a deal where we were the only ones living up to it for decades. Why would we want a repeat of that?
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A deal does not mean signing on to anything. I'm a bit surprised that Trump is being judged so harshly, the whole thing is a process. Surely, we will hear more analysis.
But for all his supposed skill at deal making, it looks like Trump can't negotiate anything as president. His heavy handedness may have worked for him in business, but when negotiating with foreign leaders, a certain amount of diplomacy is necessary. Trump does not know how to be diplomatic. Lately, even when negotiating on the home front, his negotiating skill consists of stomping his feet and walking out when he doesn't get his way.
And I hate to tell him, but flattering dictators and our enemies doesn't impress them. All it does is confirm to our enemies that Trump is weak and a pushover.
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The point is rather obvious. Reykjavik led to a deal where we were the only ones living up to it for decades. Why would we want a repeat of that?
How many previous presidents have made deals with North Korea that were the exact repeats of that?
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The point is rather obvious. Reykjavik led to a deal where we were the only ones living up to it for decades. Why would we want a repeat of that?
Oh I see. Following that logic all such negotiations are a waste of time.
Anyway I think most others see Reagan's Reykjavik walkout as a successful negotiating ploy, regardless of what ultimately happened to the resulting agreement.
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How many previous presidents have made deals with North Korea that were the exact repeats of that?
One...two if you count Carter’s participation in it. It’s the gold standard as to why NK is not a trustworthy partner in negotiations.
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Oh I see. Following that logic all such negotiations are a waste of time.
Anyway I think most others see Reagan's Reykjavik walkout as a successful negotiating ploy, regardless of what ultimately happened to the resulting agreement.
So tactics used in what ultimately results in a bad deal are what matters? FFS.
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So tactics used in what ultimately results in a bad deal are what matters? FFS.
Lol.
Some problems can only be fixed by total thermonuclear war.
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People can't see the value in the tethers Trump is connecting I guess. No president has ever even met with NK leadership before. His progress is unprecedented and gives plenty of reason to hope.
goopo
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Compared to the US, NK is an economic carcass w/a military ranking w/Namibia.
Meeting w/ them bestows undeserved stature and unearned notoriety.
Their missiles threaten Japan, Philippines, Taiwan, among several; hardly us.
Fat Boy won't surrender his nukes because his generals would revolt and shoot him.
Commencing w/the Japanese occupation in 1910, Koreans have gravitated to the South
and as a result, Seoul is the economic and intellectual center of gravity on the Peninsula,
while the North remains barren, frigid, devoid of both arable land and natural resources.
The result of this Summit gives our Journo Schmucks something to yap about; nothing more.
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Trump cuts short North Korea summit after dispute over sanctions: 'Sometimes you have to walk'
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-wasnt-prepared-to-lift-us-sanctions-on-north-korea-leading-to-abrupt-end-to-summit (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-wasnt-prepared-to-lift-us-sanctions-on-north-korea-leading-to-abrupt-end-to-summit)
I sure wish he had walked onthat last budget bill.
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I sure wish he had walked onthat last budget bill.
No kidding. The rats are no more trustworthy.
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I sure wish he had walked onthat last budget bill.
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Agree.
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Agree.
I think that is one thing that is pretty much agreed to across the board here.
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See:
Reagan and Gorbachev at Reykjavik...
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See:
Reagan and Gorbachev at Reykjavik...
As previously noted, that’s a shit example.
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A deal does not mean signing on to anything. I'm a bit surprised that Trump is being judged so harshly, the whole thing is a process. Surely, we will hear more analysis.
I agree @TomSea And surely this was but step two in a long process.
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Yes that one. BTW what is your point?
Thank you @skeeter You took the words right off my keyboard.
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The point is rather obvious. Reykjavik led to a deal where we were the only ones living up to it for decades. Why would we want a repeat of that?
So then you should be celebrating no deal in Hanoi. In fact, you're advocating no deals, ever. :laugh:
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So then you should be celebrating no deal in Hanoi. In fact, you're advocating no deals, ever. :laugh:
With untrustworthy people who would never abide by them while we do? Absolutely. Who the hell would disagree?
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With untrustworthy people who would never abide by them while we do? Absolutely. Who the hell would disagree?
Who do deem to be absolutely trustworthy? Other than Pelosi.
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Who do deem to be absolutely trustworthy? Other than Pelosi.
Schumer, Putin, Kim Jong Un, Iranian mullahs, Xi Jinping, most ME leaders, and the UN, for starters.
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Schumer, Putin, Kim Jong Un, Iranian mullahs, Xi Jinping, most ME leaders, and the UN, for starters.
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Put the msm at the top of that list!
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Put the msm at the top of that list!
OK, but you’re not likely to make a legislative, peace, or trade deal with them.
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People can't see the value in the tethers Trump is connecting I guess. No president has ever even met with NK leadership before. His progress is unprecedented and gives plenty of reason to hope.
Correct. We've had about 75 years od dealing with a rogue No. Korea. No other president has done so well with No. Korea as president TRUMP. Kim wanted ALL SANCTIONS REMOVED. President TRUMP said 'No". Not a good deal. So the meeting ended. We still have 3 live hostages returned, the remains of other American soldiers returned to USA, NO rockets being fired over Japan, or anywhere else. Then one Nuclear site destroyed by KIM. It cost America nothing! Just talk by my beautiful president. :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:
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My beautiful president. I love Pompeo too. The "journalists' suck.
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Trump denied Kim had been aware of the incident. "He felt badly about it. He felt very badly," Trump said. "He tells me that he didn't know about it and I will take him at his word." "I don't think that the top leadership knew about it," Trump added. "I don't believe that he (Kim) would have allowed that to happen."
Kim, Putin, bin Salman....he’s got a real problem with giving the absolute worst people the benefit of the doubt, publicly.
@edpc
Trump wishes to be like the ones you listed above - a country dictator.
Last year he wanted to have a big military parade and stand on the reviewing stand watching the "troops" and "weapons" paying homage to him - I was nauseated hearing that because that IS want he wants.
Today, I read the report below and believe it to be true rather than believe Kim did not know the student was tortured and left to die when sent back home.
Because I believe the report below, I expect to see Kim firing up the rockets/missiles to prove to the world he is bigger/better/meaner to kill people than Trump is.
"But a North Korean official reportedly said later that “Chairman Kim got the feeling that he didn't understand the way Americans calculate†and added that Kim may have “lost the will for more negotiations."
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So...let's do a brief recap: Had Trump gotten a deal, any deal he would be a sucker being tricked. Since there was no deal, then Trump failed. Do I have that correct?
Maybe the solution is to nuke N Korea into the stone age? Oh, wait.....
(https://geopolicraticus.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/north_korea-night.jpg)
N/M.
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So...let's do a brief recap: Had Trump gotten a deal, any deal he would be a sucker being tricked. Since there was no deal, then Trump failed. Do I have that correct?
Maybe the solution is to nuke N Korea into the stone age? Oh, wait.....
(https://geopolicraticus.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/north_korea-night.jpg)
N/M.
I'd say you have it about right.
But then you always do...
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I'd say you have it about right.
But then you always do...
Thank you for the kind words! I do have days where nothing much seems to come out right, but I'm trying to improve.
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@Cyber Liberty
Do you believe NK has the ability to strike the continental US with a nuclear missile?
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@Cyber Liberty
Do you believe NK has the ability to strike the continental US with a nuclear missile?
Not yet, but Japan is an easy target, along with S Korea, Taiwan and maybe Singapore.
Why?
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@Cyber Liberty
Do you believe NK has the ability to strike the continental US with a nuclear missile?
You've already gone on record opposing ANY agreement because no one is trustworthy so what the hell difference does it make to you?
Stop trying to talk out of both sides of your damn pie hole.
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You've already gone on record opposing ANY agreement because no one is trustworthy so what the hell difference does it make to you?
Stop trying to talk out of both sides of your damn pie hole.
............... :thumbsup:
Some would rather USA fail, then get along with other country's. OR want a WAR instead of peace.
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Not yet, but Japan is an easy target, along with S Korea, Taiwan and maybe Singapore.
Why?
Because assessments of their last test shows they can. By his own metrics, he failed.
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
North Korea just stated that it is in the final stages of developing a nuclear weapon capable of reaching parts of the U.S. It won't happen!
5:05 PM · Jan 2, 2017 · Twitter for Android
It happened - on his watch.
https://www-m.cnn.com/2017/11/28/politics/north-korea-missile-launch/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2Fsearch%3Fsize%3D10%26q%3DNew%2520missile%2520test%2520shows%2520North%2520Korea%2520capable%2520of%2520hitting%2520all%2520of%2520US%2520mainland (https://www-m.cnn.com/2017/11/28/politics/north-korea-missile-launch/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2Fsearch%3Fsize%3D10%26q%3DNew%2520missile%2520test%2520shows%2520North%2520Korea%2520capable%2520of%2520hitting%2520all%2520of%2520US%2520mainland)
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You've already gone on record opposing ANY agreement because no one is trustworthy so what the hell difference does it make to you?
Stop trying to talk out of both sides of your damn pie hole.
Run along and talk about whatever the hell the royals are doing and wearing you designated forum fishwife. The adults are talking. Speaking of both sides of a pie hole....
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
I told Rex Tillerson, our wonderful Secretary of State, that he is wasting his time trying to negotiate with Little Rocket Man...
9:30 AM · Oct 1, 2017 · Twitter for iPhone
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I say it was a great meeting. Both sides put out their visions & plans & ideas. No. Korea wanted ALL SANCTIONS REMOVED.
USA SAID..."NO". See success by USA. Now, No. Korea will re-think their plans. They now know, it is a 'NO" on sanctions. Of course they had to try and go for the whole ball of wax. It didn't work. It was a meeting. No guarantees in meetings with rouge nations.
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No guarantees in meetings with rouge nations.
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Because assessments of their last test shows they can. By his own metrics, he failed.
North Korea just stated that it is in the final stages of developing a nuclear weapon capable of reaching parts of the U.S. It won't happen!
It happened - on his watch.
@edpc
Yes, I remember this well:
"US Defense Secretary James Mattis said earlier the missile launched demonstrated North Korea had the ability to hit 'everywhere in the world.'"
I think we will see more "tests" start. However, Trump will make an excuse for it happening - like he is sure Kim did not know they were going to fire missiles, after all, it's a big country with lots of people in it, and anyway, they "love" each other.
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Trump did a good thing walking on this.
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Because assessments of their last test shows they can. By his own metrics, he failed.
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
North Korea just stated that it is in the final stages of developing a nuclear weapon capable of reaching parts of the U.S. It won't happen!
5:05 PM · Jan 2, 2017 · Twitter for Android
It happened - on his watch.
https://www-m.cnn.com/2017/11/28/politics/north-korea-missile-launch/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2Fsearch%3Fsize%3D10%26q%3DNew%2520missile%2520test%2520shows%2520North%2520Korea%2520capable%2520of%2520hitting%2520all%2520of%2520US%2520mainland (https://www-m.cnn.com/2017/11/28/politics/north-korea-missile-launch/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2Fsearch%3Fsize%3D10%26q%3DNew%2520missile%2520test%2520shows%2520North%2520Korea%2520capable%2520of%2520hitting%2520all%2520of%2520US%2520mainland)
I guess you got him now.
I prefer to not trust the NORK's assesments on anything (How many holes in one did Un's pop get in one round?). I don't really care. I'm sure that given time tweets can be fount that say just about anything desired.
I've been watching this same game of "Heads I win, tails you lose" for more than the past two years. :shrug:
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Trump did a good thing walking on this.
Yes. Before president TRUMP..no one was even TALKING to No. Korea! NO ONE or president for decades.
I say it was a great meeting. Both sides put out their visions & plans & ideas. No. Korea wanted ALL SANCTIONS REMOVED.
USA SAID..."NO". See success by USA. Now, No. Korea will re-think their plans. They now know, it is a 'NO" on sanctions. Of course they had to try and go for the whole ball of wax. It didn't work. It was a meeting.
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That some people prefer America to suffer or FAIL is mind boggling to me. Why are they living here?
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Trump did a good thing walking on this.
In that, I most certainly agree with you, @Bill Cipher. Un needed this more than Trump. Un knows it, too.
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That some people prefer America to suffer or FAIL is mind boggling to me. Why are they living here?
Because they love this country as much as you and I. The only disagreement is, "Can Trump get us to where we want to go." I'm not one to draw conclusions, and my predictions have an abysmal track record. :tongue2:
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President Trump is going to pull, this one off i have faith in Him this is still the early stages of negotiations and i see really GOOD things coming out of this meeting it will just take a little time and patients to get there
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Apparently the goober posse' gets together beforehand and decides
who will assume the roles of Curly, Larry and Moe for these posts?
* NK, a backwater on the Peninsula, came into existence in 1948
and has less standing as a world power than Antarctica.
* Trump's message was directed at China which has been economically
damaged by our Tariffs!
* Japan is the ranking power on the Pacific Rim and has been for
centuries; thrashing both China and Russia w/regularity.
Trump grasps that leaders should keep their friends close but must
keep their enemies closer; hence his attitude and behavior in Hanoi.
The journo assholery remains oblivious.
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I prefer to not trust the NORK's assesments on anything
Fortunately, you don’t have to, since the article quotes other sources. Is their guidance sophisticated enough to land it on the South Lawn? No, but the yield of their last nuclear test, which destroyed the mountain, makes the CEP less important.
Besides, after the first summit, Trump said they were no longer a nuclear threat. Now, they declined to denuclearize, until sanctions were removed. Is the threat back on again? I can’t keep up.
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President Trump is going to pull, this one off i have faith in Him this is still the early stages of negotiations and i see really GOOD things coming out of this meeting it will just take a little time and patients to get there.
Inpatients or outpatients?
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President Trump is going to pull, this one off i have faith in Him this is still the early stages of negotiations and i see really GOOD things coming out of this meeting it will just take a little time and patients to get there.
Him? Yu are equating Trump to God?
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Fortunately, you don’t have to, since the article quotes other sources. Is their guidance sophisticated enough to land it on the South Lawn? No, but the yield of their last nuclear test, which destroyed the mountain, makes the CEP less important.
Besides, after the first summit, Trump said they were no longer a nuclear threat. Now, they declined to denuclearize, until sanctions were removed. Is the threat back on again? I can’t keep up.
I sleep better at night when I don't pay that close attention to the King of Hype. :shrug:
YMMV
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I sleep better at night when I don't pay that close attention to the King of Hype. :shrug:
YMMV
That’s my biggest problem with him. No matter what he says, there’s a previous documented statement that counters it. Yet, there are fanbois - and fangirlz - that want to accuse me of duplicity. Go figure.
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Well, edpc, you've had your say, and now I'll have mine.
You're on ignore.
Sayonara!
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That’s my biggest problem with him. No matter what he says, there’s a previous documented statement that counters it. Yet, there are fanbois - and fangirlz - that want to accuse me of duplicity. Go figure.
He's certainly thrown out a lot of "red meat." Too much red meat is bad for me, so I don't partake. I'm only interested in results.
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Well, edpc, you've had your say, and now I'll have mine.
You're on ignore.
Sayonara!
Bahaha....how will I ever carry on?
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Trump did a good thing walking on this.
Yes. Both sides laid out their vision. Now, both know where they stand. SUCCESSFUL MEETING. Next..a compromise.
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Because they love this country as much as you and I. The only disagreement is, "Can Trump get us to where we want to go." I'm not one to draw conclusions, and my predictions have an abysmal track record. :tongue2:
I believe it. My predictions come true. I predicted in Aug. 2016. that TRUMP would be president. I totally understand him.
He has never disappointed me, as it is CONGRESS & CONSTITUTION that is in control. They have disappointed me.
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I sleep better at night when I don't pay that close attention to the King of Hype. :shrug:
YMMV
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I looked at it. I don't care for Hagiography dressed up as "News."
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@edpc
Badfinger - Carry On Till Tomorrow
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I'm pretty sure I'm on his prestigious Ignore List also.
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I looked at it. I don't care for Hagiography dressed up as "News."
No. It is a site recording all his accomplishments. 205 accomplishments. Good works for VETERANS. GOOD WORKS BY GOVERNMENTS HEADINGS. DHS. etc. Come on...come to the light!
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But for all his supposed skill at deal making, it looks like Trump can't negotiate anything as president. His heavy handedness may have worked for him in business, but when negotiating with foreign leaders, a certain amount of diplomacy is necessary. Trump does not know how to be diplomatic. Lately, even when negotiating on the home front, his negotiating skill consists of stomping his feet and walking out when he doesn't get his way.
And I hate to tell him, but flattering dictators and our enemies doesn't impress them. All it does is confirm to our enemies that Trump is weak and a pushover.
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Do you have the foggiest notion of what you're talking about?????
Trump, despite his warts, delivered a Lima/Charlie message in Hanoi> TO CHINA,
one of the three nation/states on the Pacific Rim that matter.
And NK, a rock-pile constituted in 1948, emphatically ain't one of them!!!!
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Do you have the foggiest notion of what you're talking about?????
Trump, despite his warts, delivered a Lima/Charlie message in Hanoi> TO CHINA,
one of the three nation/states on the Pacific Rim that matter.
And NK, a rock-pile constituted in 1948, emphatically ain't one of them!!!!
So that's the official spin, huh? *****rollingeyes*****
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So what?
Would anyone put any faith in an agreement between the two least trustworthy people (not named Clinton) on the planet?
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By the way:
Trump blames Cohen testimony for failed deal with North Korea
For the Democrats to interview in open hearings a convicted liar & fraudster, at the same time as the very important Nuclear Summit with North Korea, is perhaps a new low in American politics and may have contributed to the “walk.†Never done when a president is overseas. Shame!
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-blames-cohen-testimony-for-failed-deal-with-north-korea/2019/03/03/4d11c082-3e26-11e9-a44b-42f4df262a4c_story.html?utm_term=.3dc (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-blames-cohen-testimony-for-failed-deal-with-north-korea/2019/03/03/4d11c082-3e26-11e9-a44b-42f4df262a4c_story.html?utm_term=.3dc)
*****rollingeyes*****
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By the way:
Trump blames Cohen testimony for failed deal with North Korea
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-blames-cohen-testimony-for-failed-deal-with-north-korea/2019/03/03/4d11c082-3e26-11e9-a44b-42f4df262a4c_story.html?utm_term=.3dc (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-blames-cohen-testimony-for-failed-deal-with-north-korea/2019/03/03/4d11c082-3e26-11e9-a44b-42f4df262a4c_story.html?utm_term=.3dc)
*****rollingeyes*****
“It was about the sanctions Cohen,†Trump said. “Basically, they wanted the sanctions lifted in their entirety $130K not to talk to the press, and we couldn’t do that. They were willing to denuke a large portion of the areas that we wanted sign an NDA, but we couldn’t give up all of the sanctions hush money for that.â€
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-wasnt-prepared-to-lift-us-sanctions-on-north-korea-leading-to-abrupt-end-to-summit (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-wasnt-prepared-to-lift-us-sanctions-on-north-korea-leading-to-abrupt-end-to-summit)
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This has all the earmarkings of the next tempest in a teapot. Here is what the President said rather than @edpc 's "interpretation".
Donald Trump
Verified account @realDonaldTrump
For the Democrats to interview in open hearings a convicted liar & fraudster, at the same time as the very important Nuclear Summit with North Korea, is perhaps a new low in American politics and may have contributed to the “walk.†Never done when a president is overseas. Shame!
5:01 PM - 3 Mar 2019
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1102373344987496448?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
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This has all the earmarkings of the next tempest in a teapot. Here is what the President said rather than @edpc 's "interpretation".
B-effing-S. Immediately after the talks broke off, sanctions were noted as the cause, as the strike sections of my post show. The embellishments are to show how re-goddam-diculous he sounds, mentioning Cohen well after the fact.
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By the way:
Trump blames Cohen testimony for failed deal with North Korea
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-blames-cohen-testimony-for-failed-deal-with-north-korea/2019/03/03/4d11c082-3e26-11e9-a44b-42f4df262a4c_story.html?utm_term=.3dc (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-blames-cohen-testimony-for-failed-deal-with-north-korea/2019/03/03/4d11c082-3e26-11e9-a44b-42f4df262a4c_story.html?utm_term=.3dc)
*****rollingeyes*****
Trump has a point.
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B-effing-S. Immediately after the talks broke off, sanctions were noted as the cause, as the strike sections of my post show. The embellishments are to show how re-goddam-diculous he sounds, mentioning Cohen well after the fact.
Talk about "B-effing-S" @edpc If the President says "good morning" he sounds "re-goddam-diculous" to you. It's your curse. :laugh:
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Talk about "B-effing-S" @edpc If the President says "good morning" he sounds "re-goddam-diculous" to you. It's your curse. :laugh:
He says ‘good morning’ and to you it’s the greatest utterance ever made. Your vomit inducing obsequiousness ceased to be amusing long ago.
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This thread is not about you two. Stick to the topic.
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It was remarked on and by many that the Cohen testimony at a minimum, was a distraction to the talks. It was a bit of sabotage by the Dems, disgraceful, really.
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I suppose we can completely ignore the fact this appearance was based upon the fact he was already scheduled to be in DC the day the summit began, because the republican controlled senate intelligence committee had him appear under subpoena. They’re blameless, though, right?
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So that's the official spin, huh? *****rollingeyes*****
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Respectfully but seriously, Japan, China and SK are the ranking Asian powers; NK
being a 3rd rate nobody having to import food to feed its people, is Asia's Venezuela.
Attributing stature to NK, which they neither deserve nor have earned, is media
malarkey to diminish Trump; their daily obsession.
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I suppose we can completely ignore the fact this appearance was based upon the fact he was already scheduled to be in DC the day the summit began, because the republican controlled senate intelligence committee had him appear under subpoena. They’re blameless, though, right?
Poor ol' dems. Just a victim of circumstance.
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Poor ol'
dems Trump. Just a victim of circumstance his inability to negotiate.
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Poor ol' dems Trump. Just a victim of circumstance his inability to negotiate.
Nothing is ever his fault. He is never a failure. Always has to have a scapegoat.
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I suppose we can completely ignore the fact this appearance was based upon the fact he was already scheduled to be in DC the day the summit began, because the republican controlled senate intelligence committee had him appear under subpoena. They’re blameless, though, right?
EDPC is a treasure to the forum with this kind of knowledge, I was reading up a bit. The committee is split, 8-7. I will be glad to acknowledge any lack of knowledge on such situations.
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OTOH:
Dan Crenshaw
â€Verified account @DanCrenshawTX
Trump’s critics are desperately trying to frame the North Korea summit as a Trump failure. This is reactionary, disingenuous, and predictable.
Denuclearization will take time, more talks, and incremental steps. I’m grateful that we have a leader willing to do that.
4:06 AM - 1 Mar 2019
https://twitter.com/DanCrenshawTX/status/1101453692350484481
That's great if some declare the summit a failure. However, that is not the only view out there.
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Nothing is ever his fault. He is never a failure. Always has to have a scapegoat.
If you want to see just how out of his league he is with negotiations, watch his lead in the China trade talks explain clearly what a memorandum of understanding is, then call it something else, just to shut him up.
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://youtube.com/watch?v=nyeU7Ew3iKg#)
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OTOH:
That's great if some declare the summit a failure. However, that is not the only view out there.
In my view, it would have been a failure to make a bad deal. You can call it a waste of time or lack of progress, but it’s not a complete failure.
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EDPC is a treasure to the forum with this kind of knowledge, I was reading up a bit. The committee is split, 8-7. I will be glad to acknowledge any lack of knowledge on such situations.
The committee is split [along Party lines], 8-7.
Fixed it... :smokin:
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The committee is split [along Party lines], 8-7.
Fixed it... :smokin:
EDPC is a treasure to the forum with this kind of knowledge, I was reading up a bit. The committee is split, 8-7. I will be glad to acknowledge any lack of knowledge on such situations.
I fixed the fix. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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In my view, it would have been a failure to make a bad deal. You can call it a waste of time or lack of progress, but it’s not a complete failure.
Totally agree, it's not a complete failure. I disagree the Rats posturing in a committee caused the walkaway, I just think NK was trying too hard to press for relief from sanctions before they start dismantling their Nuke program. That was a non-starter. It was unwise of President Trump to muddy the waters by blaming Rats for it.
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I fixed the fix. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
888high58888
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This thread is not about you two. Stick to the topic.
............. :thumbsup:
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North Korean Foreign Minister Ri Yong Ho, in a rare press statement, told reporters in Hanoi Thursday, "Our proposal will never be changed, even though the United States proposes negotiation again in the future."
When asked about that by USA Today, Pompeo blasted the reporter, saying, "That’s not what the North Koreans said. Don't say things that aren't true." But when he was read the quote from Ri, Pompeo reportedly "fell silent for about six seconds" before saying, "What they said is they're prepared to continue conversations with us, and that's what we intend to do."
https://www.yahoo.com/gma/despite-no-progress-trump-senior-aides-spin-north-133103881--abc-news-topstories.html (https://www.yahoo.com/gma/despite-no-progress-trump-senior-aides-spin-north-133103881--abc-news-topstories.html)
Pompeo should just do like Haley did and get out, while the getting is good. That way, he can focus on an easy win for the KS US Senate seat in 2020.
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President Trump is going to pull, this one off i have faith in Him this is still the early stages of negotiations and i see really GOOD things coming out of this meeting it will just take a little time and patients to get there
Yes, Walking Liberty. I did see, a good outcome. Kim wanted all sanctions removed...he had to try...President TRUMP said "NO". Kim is now clear on what president Trump wants. Kim had to "try". He was testing TRUMP. This will be on going. No one knows for how long. At least President TRUMP negotiated a meeting, twice now with KIM. Others did not even get that far, yet they want to criticize.
P.S. I did read somewhere that an assassination attempt was going to be made, on BOTH KIM & TRUMP...so the meeting had to stop quickly. I don't know. Just something I read, somewhere.
BTW. WELCOME. 888high58888 I am still fairly new on here too.
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This has all the earmarkings of the next tempest in a teapot. Here is what the President said rather than @edpc 's "interpretation".
I agree with president TRUMP. The world is watching and seeing what is going on in America, undermining our president.
They all needed to focus on that meeting. No doubt KIM felt slighted by American MEDIA & CONGRESS. Who knows, maybe Kim got uppity because of LEFTS IN OUR COUNTRY BAD MOUTHING MY PRESIDENT? Internet is everywhere.
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Jimmy Carter offers to visit North Korea for denuclearization talks
https://thehill.com/policy/international/433187-jimmy-carter-offers-visit-to-north-korea-for-denuclearization-talks
Great. The last time he got involved, they got fissile material producing capabilities.
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Oh Lordy.
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Jimmy Carter offers to visit North Korea for denuclearization talks
https://thehill.com/policy/international/433187-jimmy-carter-offers-visit-to-north-korea-for-denuclearization-talks
Great. The last time he got involved, they got fissile material producing capabilities.
Maybe he's there to certify an election, Venezuela style?
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Jimmy Carter? I thought it was a joke. The man is close to 100 years old. Please...a DEMON-RAT to talk to KIM? More delusion's from the LEFT. MORE INSANITY. They never stop.. He was voted the worst president , till Obama came along.