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Russian ambassador to Turkey seriously injured after being shot in 'assassination attempt'
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ByChris kitching
16:21, 19 DEC 2016Updated16:28, 19 DEC 2016
Russia's ambassador to Turkey has been seriously wounded in an 'assassination attempt'.
Ambassador Andrei Karlov was rushed to hospital after he was shot as he attended an event at an art gallery in the Turkish capital of Ankara.
Photos published online by Turkish media showed Mr Karlov on the floor in a pool of blood.
The gunman allegedly entered the art gallery with police identification, the Hurriyet newspaper reported.
more
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/russian-ambassador-turkey-seriously-injured-9485836
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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-38369962
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Wow. Just Wow!
Putin will not step back and let this slide like Obama did. Blood, a lot of blood, will flow over this one as it should.
This could be the act that lights the elephant sized powder keg in the Syria neighborhood.
Having served many years in that area of the world, I say screw Turkey, screw Syria, and I hope the Kurds finally get the homeland peace and security they deserve.
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Picture from Drudge.
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I hope the ambassador can recover, it sounds like shot in the back, it sounds like "early reporting" said someone had a police id and did it. We know what early reporting is like though. Often, not reliable.
Some pictures are here: http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/russian-ambassador-ankara-targeted-gunmen-local-media-1223148265
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So Drudge now reports, the ambassador is dead. I'm sorry to hear this if so.
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http://www.jamestown.org/single/?tx_ttnews[tt_news]=44573&tx_ttnews[backPid]=381#.VklYxV6KZVI
Alleged assassinations in Turkey by Chechen Russians, copy and paste link if it does not work.
Turkey is really hanging on a thread with everything that goes on there.
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BBC news reporting he has died.
They are also reporting the man who shot him was overheard "Don't forget about Aleppo, don't forget about Syria"
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-38369962
@mystery-ak or mods- does the headline need to be changed?,
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Damn.
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This won't be good for anyone.
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I assume the young man with a gun is the killer. :shrug: He stands there and rails . Why did no one shoot him?
Edit to add: Just saw a photo of him lying dead, so I guess he eventually got justice (and, presumably, his 72 virgins).
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Pamela Geller @PamelaGeller 11m11 minutes ago
Caliph Erdogan (Obama's "most trusted" foreign leader) poked the (Russian) bear. Putin will act. Is it casus belli?
Michelle Malkin @michellemalkin 13m13 minutes ago
Michelle Malkin Retweeted Michael Horowitz
Screaming #allahuakbar at the top of his lungs, but deaf dhimmis still will not be able to determine motive...
Stephen Miller @redsteeze 37m37 minutes ago
Probably safe to assume Putin's not going to blame a YouTube video here.
JΞSTΞR ✪ ΔCTUAL³³º¹ @th3j35t3r 43m43 minutes ago
#UPDATE Russian Ambassador shooter shouted 'Allah Akbar', recited Arabic verse & said "do not forget Syria". Vowed nobody is safe. Got shot.
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On June 28, 1914, a teenage Serbian nationalist gunned down Archduke Franz Ferdinand and his wife, Sophie, as their motorcade maneuvered through the streets of Sarajevo. Next in line for the Austro-Hungarian throne, Ferdinand had not been particularly well liked in aristocratic circles. Nonetheless, his death quickly set off a chain reaction of events culminating in the outbreak of World War I.
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This won't be good for anyone.
Nope. If Russia and Turkey have ever in human history been on friendly terms, I don't think I'm aware of it. Russia has the choice to make of this what they will. I doubt Erdogan's got the credibility to mollify them.
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On June 28, 1914, a teenage Serbian nationalist gunned down Archduke Franz Ferdinand and his wife, Sophie, as their motorcade maneuvered through the streets of Sarajevo. Next in line for the Austro-Hungarian throne, Ferdinand had not been particularly well liked in aristocratic circles. Nonetheless, his death quickly set off a chain reaction of events culminating in the outbreak of World War I.
Thank you @240B - I had the same thought when I called my mom this morning. She said I was full of it .
I think history really is cyclical.
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On June 28, 1914, a teenage Serbian nationalist gunned down Archduke Franz Ferdinand and his wife, Sophie, as their motorcade maneuvered through the streets of Sarajevo. Next in line for the Austro-Hungarian throne, Ferdinand had not been particularly well liked in aristocratic circles. Nonetheless, his death quickly set off a chain reaction of events culminating in the outbreak of World War I.
My first thought, too. What a grand time for the US to have the leadership it currently has.
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Am I alone, thinking of Obama calling both sides and lecturing them to stay calm, etc.?
And both hang up, dismissing Obama as a nobody in terms of their problems of today.
And of course not fearing his hollow threats, or intending to consider his advice.
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This won't be good for anyone.
Nope....what will Putin do is the question...
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maytham @maytham956 48m48 minutes ago
Criminal who assasinated the Russian ambassador is a Police Man, his name is Mevlüt Altıntaş he is 22 y/o
#Erdogan recruits #ISIS as police!
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Nope....what will Putin do is the question...
Putin hasn't said anything but his peeps are calling it a terrorist attack.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-ambassador-dead-shooting-assassination-terrorist-act-turkey-ankara-andrey-andrei-karlov-a7485166.html
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What happened
The Russian Su-24, an all-weather attack aircraft, was shot down by Turkish F-16s in the Turkey-Syria border area on 24 November 2015.
The plane crashed in the mountainous Jabal Turkmen area of the Syrian province of Latakia, killing the pilot.
A Russian marine involved in a helicopter rescue attempt was killed when the helicopter came under fire.
The navigator in the jet, Capt Konstantin Murakhtin, survived the crash and was taken to Russia's Hmeimim airbase in Latakia by Syrian government forces.
Turkey said planes were warned 10 times during five minutes via an "emergency" channel and asked to change direction.
The Russian defence ministry insisted that the aircraft remained within Syria's borders throughout its mission and did not violate Turkish airspace and received no warnings.
Strained relations
The incident strained relations between Moscow and Ankara, with Mr Putin saying he had been "stabbed in the back".
The Russian leader also accused Mr Erdogan of collaborating with so-called Islamic State.
Russia hit Turkey with a raft of sanctions, banning import of Turkish foodstuffs and stopping Russian package holidays to Turkey.
Mr Erdogan offered to meet Mr Putin in person but Moscow refused and the pair have not spoken to each other since.
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Russia and Turkey were already at a state of alert. Both were already militarizing in preparation for a conflict.
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This will also gin up the Russian war machine to drop more bombs, act aggressively; but perhaps against Rebels, their attacks on ISIS seem limited.
Talks were scheduled for Tuesday between Russia, Iran and Turkey in Moscow, so chances are, those will be cancelled. http://www.aina.org/news/20161219132405.htm
How can one vet when this assassin must have had clearance. No diplomat is safe, virtually no one is.
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Not good, that's for sure. And Turkey is a member of NATO. Will NATO stand behind Turkey if Russia attacks, even in a limited manner?
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After shooting the ambassador, he repeated the infamous phrase of former al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden "you will not have security, even in your dreams until we live it in reality in our countries."
He was then killed by the police.
https://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/middle-east/2016/12/19/Watch-Moment-Russian-ambassador-shot-dead.html
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Nope....what will Putin do is the question...
You can bet he won't be setting up a Tee time at the nearest golf course,
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Not good, that's for sure. And Turkey is a member of NATO. Will NATO stand behind Turkey if Russia attacks, even in a limited manner?
Doubtful.
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Not good, that's for sure. And Turkey is a member of NATO. Will NATO stand behind Turkey if Russia attacks, even in a limited manner?
Another question is what will the UN do?
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Not good, that's for sure. And Turkey is a member of NATO. Will NATO stand behind Turkey if Russia attacks, even in a limited manner?
I'm hopping that the NATO alliance will act as a brake on Russia responding to this directly. I think @TomSea may be right -- the Russian response will be to use this incident as leverage to take a more free hand in Syria, and basically dare Turkey to up the ante by confronting them.
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Some of these conflicts are just like our position over there, if you are present over there, something like this may happen.
This seems very vivid because of the way it has been meticulously recorded, the Russian ambassador was giving a speech.
For all we know, what this guy did might make him a hero to millions of the ME Muslim population, obviously the Russians can be very angered over this and saber rattling could occur.
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My church just shot a video yesterday to help secure the release of a Christian pastor being held there on trumped up charges of terrorism. This definitely ups the ante.
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I'm hopping that the NATO alliance will act as a brake on Russia responding to this directly. I think @TomSea may be right -- the Russian response will be to use this incident as leverage to take a more free hand in Syria, and basically dare Turkey to up the ante by confronting them.
Good points. Thanks.
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What happened
The Russian Su-24, an all-weather attack aircraft, was shot down by Turkish F-16s in the Turkey-Syria border area on 24 November 2015.
The plane crashed in the mountainous Jabal Turkmen area of the Syrian province of Latakia, killing the pilot.
A Russian marine involved in a helicopter rescue attempt was killed when the helicopter came under fire.
The navigator in the jet, Capt Konstantin Murakhtin, survived the crash and was taken to Russia's Hmeimim airbase in Latakia by Syrian government forces.
Turkey said planes were warned 10 times during five minutes via an "emergency" channel and asked to change direction.
The Russian defence ministry insisted that the aircraft remained within Syria's borders throughout its mission and did not violate Turkish airspace and received no warnings.
Strained relations
The incident strained relations between Moscow and Ankara, with Mr Putin saying he had been "stabbed in the back".
The Russian leader also accused Mr Erdogan of collaborating with so-called Islamic State.
Russia hit Turkey with a raft of sanctions, banning import of Turkish foodstuffs and stopping Russian package holidays to Turkey.
Mr Erdogan offered to meet Mr Putin in person but Moscow refused and the pair have not spoken to each other since.
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Russia and Turkey were already at a state of alert. Both were already militarizing in preparation for a conflict.
This above is an old story, Putin and Erdogan met in August at a minimum, I don't know how many meetings they have had or if that is the only time.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/09/world/russia-putin-turkey-erdogan-meeting/index.html
All of those economic sanctions and so forth, ended months ago.
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Am I alone, thinking of Obama calling both sides and lecturing them to stay calm, etc.?
And both hang up, dismissing Obama as a nobody in terms of their problems of today.
And of course not fearing his hollow threats, or intending to consider his advice.
Nah............. he won't do anything.
His protectors probably won't even tell him, and we know he doesn't even know as much about international news as we do.
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This won't be good for anyone.
Understatement of the day.
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Wow. Just Wow!
Putin will not step back and let this slide like Obama did. Blood, a lot of blood, will flow over this one as it should.
Putin might have arranged this as a pretext
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My church just shot a video yesterday to help secure the release of a Christian pastor being held there on trumped up charges of terrorism. This definitely ups the ante.
I am not sure how they'd be related
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My church just shot a video yesterday to help secure the release of a Christian pastor being held there on trumped up charges of terrorism.
Here's the TBR thread (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,235092.0.html) on that situation.
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Putin: Assassination of Russian envoy to Ankara attempt to ruin Turkish-Russian relations
http://www.turkishminute.com/2016/12/19/putin-assassination-russian-envoy-turkey-attempt-derail-syrian-peace-process/
Erdoğan briefs Putin on assassination of Russian ambassador to Turkey
http://www.turkishminute.com/2016/12/19/erdogan-briefs-putin-assassination-russian-ambassador-turkey/
Russian envoy shooting: What impact on Russia-Turkey ties? ·
https://www.yahoo.com/news/russian-envoy-shooting-impact-russia-turkey-ties-200701914.html
Five Things to Worry About After the Assassination of Russia’s Ambassador to Turkey
http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/12/19/five-things-to-worry-about-after-the-assassination-of-russias-ambassador-to-turkey/?utm_content=buffer20b72&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer
I don't think war is going to happen, discussed in the last link but all of this is quite a jolt.
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While it's worth noting the shoot down of the Russian plane, recent comments of Erdogan cannot be overlooked. At the end of November, he was quoted as saying in regards to Turkish forces in Syria, "We are there to bring justice. We are there to end the rule of the cruel Assad, who has been spreading state terror," Erdogan said.
Russia quickly asked for an explanation. I don't recall any reports as to what occurred afterwards.
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While it's worth noting the shoot down of the Russian plane, recent comments of Erdogan cannot be overlooked. At the end of November, he was quoted as saying in regards to Turkish forces in Syria, "We are there to bring justice. We are there to end the rule of the cruel Assad, who has been spreading state terror," Erdogan said.
Russia quickly asked for an explanation. I don't recall any reports as to what occurred afterwards.
Turkey walked back the remarks as they say.
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Any number of groups could have wanted Russian ambassador dead
Ted Kemp | @TedKempCNBC
Bremmer pointed out that Erdogan made a bad situation worse by imprisoning many of his own leading generals after a failed coup attempt rocked the country in July. Erdogan may have removed threats to his own power by arresting military leaders and thousands of other people, but he also made his army less effective.
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/12/19/who-shot-russias-ambassador-to-turkey-it-could-be-a-lot-of-people.html
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We had a general killed in Afghanistan and we've put up with a lot of these sorts of incidences, this one today just seems very high-profile.
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I don't think war is going to happen, discussed in the last link but all of this is quite a jolt.
The real issue is Turkey is a NATO member and any war or spite with Russia could drag the USA in.
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Nope....what will Putin do is the question...
If this was the US ambassador dead I know what our President would do - go play a round of golf or attend a fundraiser.
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If this was the US ambassador dead I know what our President would do - go play a round of golf or attend a fundraiser.
Or send a 'shout out' to Dr Joe Medicine Crow.
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It sure feels like an outrage was crossed today and other events, I don't know if we are on the precipice of anything but this problem of terrorism once again rears its head. These things seem to happen a bit when one gets in these internecine conflicts one might say. We are at a very fascinating point in time right now and I would not be alarmed but we need to watch it.
Europe | The Great War
In Sarajevo, Divisions That Drove an Assassin Have Only Begun to Heal
By JOHN F. BURNS JUNE 26, 2014
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“To me, what is happening across Bosnia today, and what is happening in many other parts of the world, is very much like the beginning of the 20th century,” said Vera Katz, a scholar at the University of Sarajevo’s History Institute. “Seeing how some of our communities have made Princip into a mythical figure has made me think that we have hardly moved on at all.”
The archducal couple were on their way to a civic reception in the yellow-and orange-banded city hall, an endowment of the Hapsburg era that borrowed from Moorish Spain, when the violence began, with a conspirator tossing a homemade bomb from a bridge over the Miljacka River. It bounced off the folded canopy of the archduke’s car before exploding.
What ensued stands as a monument to imperial folly and to the role of chance and mischance in history. Shortly before 11 a.m., the couple left the reception, deeply shaken by the bombing but determined to see the day’s formalities through. With the archduke in a military tunic and helmet, and the duchess in a dress of white filigreed lace with a matching hat and parasol, they headed back along the lightly guarded Miljacka embankment — and, 500 yards on, to their fateful encounter with Princip.
Continued: https://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/27/world/europe/in-sarajevo-gavrilo-princip-set-off-world-war-i.html?_r=0
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Am I alone, thinking of Obama calling both sides and lecturing them to stay calm, etc.?
And both hang up, dismissing Obama as a nobody in terms of their problems of today.
And of course not fearing his hollow threats, or intending to consider his advice.
Obama's gone in about a month.
What's Trump going to do?
He's already panned NATO as obsolete and our own allies as worthless unless they cough up more dough for defense.
Is he going to back those worthless allies and the obsolete NATO? Do you even want him to?
After all, Putin's 'our buddy' now.
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Here's the TBR thread (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,235092.0.html) on that situation.
Yep. That's him. He and his wife have visited our church several times. Currently, a member of our church is on the ground in Turkey trying to hold his together.
Thanks for the link.
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If this was the US ambassador dead I know what our President would do - go play a round of golf or attend a fundraiser.
And arrest an innocent filmmaker.
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Valid points? :shrug: I guess one would need to know how diplomats operate. Anyone here know? And if all he, this Kuzu, is saying is true.
[VIDEO] Erdoğan adviser: Why didn’t Russian ambassador have a security guard?
By TM - December 20, 2016
urhan Kuzu, an advisor to President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan and Justice and Development Party (AKP) İstanbul deputy, questioned why the Russian Embassy in Ankara had not assigned a private Russian guard for Ambassador Andrei Karlov, who was killed by a Turkish police officer while giving a speech at an Ankara art gallery on Monday.
Speaking during a TV show following the assassination of the Russian ambassador, Kuzu said the Russian Embassy in Ankara should have provided Karlov Russian security guards in the same way that Turkey provides guards to all its envoys abroad.
“Why doesn’t the Russian Embassy have any Russian security guards? I don’t understand. OK, we [Turkish authorities] are lax [on security issues]. That’s another issue. However, as we understand it, there were no [Russian guards inside],” he said.
http://www.turkishminute.com/2016/12/20/erdogan-adviser-didnt-russian-ambassador-security-guard/
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Man fires gunshots near US Embassy after killing of Russian envoy
By TM - December 20, 2016
A man identified only as Şahin S. fired several gunshots into the air outside the US Embassy in Ankara a few hours after the assassination of the Russian ambassador at an art gallery in the same district of Çankaya on Monday evening.
Police near the US Embassy detained Şahin S., who shouted “I swear to God, don’t play with us” as he was being put in a police car, and took him to the Ankara Police Station for questioning after seizing his rifle.
No one was hurt by the gunshots.
Continued: http://www.turkishminute.com/2016/12/20/man-fires-gunshots-near-us-embassy-killing-russian-envoy/
"Don't play with us", as bad as this is, it is in their own backyard. Unbelievable. There are other examples of things like this one just doesn't hear about. And we and the Russians might have some thoughts if people were meddling in our business.
And in turn, about refugees, you know, it is kind of the same sentiment, why are we in their land and why are they coming over. Something like that.
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Valid points? :shrug: I guess one would need to know how diplomats operate. Anyone here know? And if all he, this Kuzu, is saying is true.
Considering how long the killer walked around lecturing the crowd after he shot the guy, and before they finally shot him dead, Kuzu's quite correct to question why the Russians didn't give their ambassador a security team. (Much like Obama and Hillary didn't give one to Chris Stevens.)
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Considering how long the killer walked around lecturing the crowd after he shot the guy, and before they finally shot him dead, Kuzu's quite correct to question why the Russians didn't give their ambassador a security team. (Much like Obama and Hillary didn't give one to Chris Stevens.)
Ouch, that is going to leave a mark.
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Wow. Just Wow!
Putin will not step back and let this slide like Obama did. Blood, a lot of blood, will flow over this one as it should.
@doghouse
No kidding. The Soviets didn't play kissy-face with people that attacked their officials,and neither does the current government. It ain't going to be pretty if it is ever made public,but they will do whatever it is they have to do to track down the people behind that attack,and heads will roll. Literally, and at least some of them in public.
They see,and rightly so,an attack on any of their officials as an attack on "Holy Mother Russia",and if you know anything about history you know it doesn't get any more serious than that for them. The people that pushed that nutcase to shoot the ambassador can run and they can hide,but they WILL be found regardless of how much money it takes or how many people have to be "interrogated" in order to follow the trail.
And when it's over,there won't even be a hint of an apology from Putin or anyone else in their government.
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Nope....what will Putin do is the question...
@mystery-ak
There is no doubt in my mind what he is focused on at the moment,and that is tracking down and killing everyone even remotely responsible for this murder.
What he will do after that depends on what Turkey does. I hope they aren't foolish enough to seriously believe that Europe and the US will send them military aid if they decide to attack Russia for what Putin will have done to some ragheads living in Turkey.
As I wrote earlier,it is the nature of the Russians to consider an attack on prominent Russian officials as an attack on "Holy Mother Russia" herself,and they won't be taking any prisoners. Or at least not many that won't get a quick trial and quick execution if found inside Russia.
Which is the way the US Government should operate,but won't.
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Talks were scheduled for Tuesday between Russia, Iran and Turkey in Moscow, so chances are, those will be cancelled. http://www.aina.org/news/20161219132405.htm
@TomSea
Which is what most likely put the cop/assassin plan in motion. The fundie Muslims can't afford to face a united force because they couldn't survive it,so they did this to break the alliance before it even formed.
IF the leadership in Turkey has enough sense to pour urine out of a boot,they will VERY quickly announce they are cooperating fully with the Russians to find and bring to justice anyone else associated with the attack on the Russian Ambassador,and then do just that.
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Will NATO stand behind Turkey if Russia attacks, even in a limited manner?
@Oceander
I don't see that happening. I may well be wrong,but I see NATO as being seen in Europe as a useful tool to use the money and military might of America as their own troops so they can have smaller militaries and smaller defense budgets.
The big question may be "What will the US and GB do?" Especially since Bathhouse Barry is still making the decisions for the next 30 days.
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How can one vet when this assassin must have had clearance. No diplomat is safe, virtually no one is.
@TomSea
I'm sure that one of the VERY pointed questions being asked of the Turkish government right now is "WHY was this 22 year old Muslim the ONLY armed security officer in the room at the time the Russian Ambassador was giving his speech?" There SHOULD have been multiple teams of armed police or military security people on site at the time. Especially given the tensions in that area from fundie Muslim attacks on everyone. Whoever was placed in charge of security there is in a heap of trouble,including the security people from the Russian Embassy. Why weren't THEY there? Ambassadors almost never go anywhere without a security team in place from their own embassy. Were they not there because someone in the Turkism government wouldn't allow them in the building?
It's too early to know these things yet,but you can believe these questions are being asked at very high levels.
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Another question is what will the UN do?
@verga
Form a circle jerk?
That seems to be what they do best.
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Putin might have arranged this as a pretext
@geronl
I'm not a betting man,but if I were,I would bet there is not even the tiniest chance of that having happened.
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Valid points? :shrug: I guess one would need to know how diplomats operate. Anyone here know? And if all he, this Kuzu, is saying is true.
@TomSea
IF the head security officer at the Russian Embassy in Turkey did not send a bodyguard escort with the Ambassador because it was HIS decision to not do so,he has been running for his life ever since the raghead pulled the trigger.
I have been in a few embassies and known a few people that worked in embassies many,many years ago,and US Ambassadors don't go to the coffee shop across the street without having security with them.
Given that Russians are generally not considered to be the lease paranoid people in the world,for many,many good historical reasons,I find it hard to believe the Russian head of Embassy security would take it upon himself to make such a decision.
Either the Ambassador himself ordered his security to stay in the embassy,or the Turkish government for some reason denied them entry into the building where the Russian Ambassador was giving the speech. IF the Ambassador entered anyhow,that's on him as well as the Turkish government because there is NO excuse for the Turkish government to have have that room flooded with teams of armed security guards. It just boggles the imagination that a lone 22 year old plainclothes cop could get anywhere close to a Russian Ambassador by himself unless the other Turkish security agents were told to stand down by their own government.
Normally the room they are in would be sealed off with sub-machine gun toting guards from every country involved guarding the doors and patrolling the halls,the basement,and the parking garages. ID's are checked before anyone enters the room,and wands are used to check for concealed weapons. MAYBE a VERY senior police official from the host nation MIGHT be allowed through the door by himself,but I can't think of any circumstances were a very junior cop is allowed in the room by himself and with a weapon.
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@TomSea
Which is what most likely put the cop/assassin plan in motion. The fundie Muslims can't afford to face a united force because they couldn't survive it,so they did this to break the alliance before it even formed.
IF the leadership in Turkey has enough sense to pour urine out of a boot,they will VERY quickly announce they are cooperating fully with the Russians to find and bring to justice anyone else associated with the attack on the Russian Ambassador,and then do just that.
@sneakypete
The talks are scheduled to go on.
http://www.rferl.org/a/best-frenemies/28186842.html
Graphic per Putin and Erdogan.
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sneakypete wonders:
"There SHOULD have been multiple teams of armed police or military security people on site at the time. Especially given the tensions in that area from fundie Muslim attacks on everyone. Whoever was placed in charge of security there is in a heap of trouble,including the security people from the Russian Embassy. Why weren't THEY there?"
Maybe they were advised, or paid, to NOT "be there"...
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sneakypete wonders:
"There SHOULD have been multiple teams of armed police or military security people on site at the time. Especially given the tensions in that area from fundie Muslim attacks on everyone. Whoever was placed in charge of security there is in a heap of trouble,including the security people from the Russian Embassy. Why weren't THEY there?"
Maybe they were advised, or paid, to NOT "be there"...
@Fishrrman
Naw,can't be. That would be like telling or bribing the Secret Service to not protect US politicians that have been threatened. The only ones that could order the Russian embassy security detail to not escort the Russian Ambassador to a public event outside the embassy would be Putin or the Ambassador himself,and both seem very unlikely to do that to me.
Given that it's Russia we are talking about,we may never know who was behind ordering the embassy security detail to remain at the embassy.
There are deeper waters swirling around this event than anything I can even guess at,at this point.
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Demands were made from Russia and the Turks walked the line.
It took the Turks about nine hours to kill the shooter.
I'm sure that was not the only demand but it bought some time for some folks to cool down and think things out.
It the Turks had not killed the shooter or turned him over to the Russians this would have exploded rather quickly.
Screw Obama and his pacivist ideas this was none of his or our countries business. The powers that be in this world do not give a hot damn what the cowardly US government thinks anymore.
Lesson to Obama. When you draw a line in the sand and do not react when it is crossed you show yourself as a coward. That is now how our enemies and our friends see us.
It is great that Trump has a spine and gonads and we can attain some respect in this world again.
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Lesson to Obama. When you draw a line in the sand and do not react when it is crossed you show yourself as a coward. That is now how our enemies and our friends see us.
That should be a lesson to America about what happens when you put an Obama in office. Not even Jimmy Carter was this weak.
It is great that Trump has a spine and gonads and we can attain some respect in this world again.
Trump also has 'crazy' going for him, which can be quite effective on the diplomatic stage.
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@verga
Form a circle jerk?
That seems to be what they do best.
I thought their specialty was such a group . . . made up of eunuchs.