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Title: Islamic State reportedly burns Jordanian pilot to death
Post by: rangerrebew on February 03, 2015, 05:04:01 pm

Islamic State reportedly burns Jordanian pilot to death

Video of slaying comes after talks over prisoner swap collapsed last week; ministry was warned about road ahead of deadly crash; Israeli wary of Obama on Iran

By Jonathan Beck February 3, 2015, 2:16 pm 4


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Title: Re: Islamic State reportedly burns Jordanian pilot to death
Post by: flowers on February 03, 2015, 05:14:54 pm
Horrible, looked like he had a black eye too. Burned him in a cell cage, he knew it was coming.
Title: Re: Islamic State reportedly burns Jordanian pilot to death
Post by: mystery-ak on February 03, 2015, 05:21:17 pm
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/02/03/254EE29800000578-0-image-m-20_1422982121059.jpg)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2938199/Burned-alive-cage-ISIS-release-video-claiming-horrifying-murder-captured-Jordanian-pilot.html?ito=social-facebook (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2938199/Burned-alive-cage-ISIS-release-video-claiming-horrifying-murder-captured-Jordanian-pilot.html?ito=social-facebook)
Title: Re: Islamic State reportedly burns Jordanian pilot to death
Post by: mystery-ak on February 03, 2015, 05:33:18 pm
Horrible, looked like he had a black eye too. Burned him in a cell cage, he knew it was coming.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B87vOfPIgAEyTLV.jpg:small)
Title: Re: Islamic State reportedly burns Jordanian pilot to death
Post by: Bigun on February 03, 2015, 06:14:46 pm
Horrible, looked like he had a black eye too. Burned him in a cell cage, he knew it was coming.

Only one way to deal with these savages but Obama will have none of it!
Title: Re: Islamic State reportedly burns Jordanian pilot to death
Post by: flowers on February 03, 2015, 06:19:48 pm
Only one way to deal with these savages but Obama will have none of it!
They also had a front loader full of stones which they dropped on the cage after he was burnt alive and that crushed the cage and his body. also reports of next murder will be worse than burning alive. Also Jordan has moved the 5 muzzies to the place where they conduct death sentences.
Title: Re: Islamic State reportedly burns Jordanian pilot to death
Post by: flowers on February 03, 2015, 06:20:17 pm
https://twitter.com/NewsOnTheMin

Title: Re: Islamic State reportedly burns Jordanian pilot to death
Post by: flowers on February 03, 2015, 06:21:27 pm
It seems he was murdered by obies fun lovin' JV team on jan 3


ISIS posts photos purportedly showing Jordanian pilot burnt alive

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Joran confirms pilot dead after horrifying images claim to show Islamic State setting captive Jordanian on fire as he is held in metallic cage, surrounded by fighters; Jordan says pilot was killed on January 3.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4622603,00.html
Title: Re: Islamic State reportedly burns Jordanian pilot to death
Post by: mystery-ak on February 03, 2015, 06:23:31 pm
BBC said it happened a month ago..just now being released

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-31121160 (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-31121160)


trying to verify twitter report that Jordan is going to execute 6 Isis members
Title: Re: Islamic State reportedly burns Jordanian pilot to death
Post by: mystery-ak on February 03, 2015, 06:31:45 pm
http://allenwestrepublic.com/2015/02/03/breaking-sky-news-arabic-reports-prisoners-jordan-planned-to-swap-with-isis-to-be-executed-tonight/ (http://allenwestrepublic.com/2015/02/03/breaking-sky-news-arabic-reports-prisoners-jordan-planned-to-swap-with-isis-to-be-executed-tonight/)

BREAKING: Sky News Arabic reports prisoners Jordan planned to swap with ISIS to be executed tonight
Title: Re: Islamic State reportedly burns Jordanian pilot to death
Post by: GourmetDan on February 03, 2015, 06:36:44 pm
BREAKING: Sky News Arabic reports prisoners Jordan planned to swap with ISIS to be executed tonight

In other news, Obiewan is reviewing the first draft of a strongly-worded letter he is thinking of sending...


Title: Re: Islamic State reportedly burns Jordanian pilot to death
Post by: GourmetDan on February 03, 2015, 06:39:11 pm
Only one way to deal with these savages but Obama will have none of it!

Actually there is another way that will save many lives.

Simply desecrate the bodies of dead jihadis so that the others don't believe they got their 72 virgins and threaten to do the same to any others they catch.

Will scare the pants off these guys if they think they will lose their lives in jihad and then end up in Hell...


Title: Re: Islamic State reportedly burns Jordanian pilot to death
Post by: flowers on February 03, 2015, 06:45:57 pm
I watched the video of this. it is 1:30. He lives at least 30 seconds before he stops screaming. The men in the video lighting the fire are in fatigues, no doubt given to them by obie when he gave them Iraq. It has some type of music which I am sure is the isis theme song.
Title: Re: Islamic State reportedly burns Jordanian pilot to death
Post by: mountaineer on February 03, 2015, 06:46:20 pm
In other news, Obiewan is reviewing the first draft of a strongly-worded letter he is thinking of sending...
Only after he decides that he's deeply concerned and is monitoring the situation.
Title: Re: Islamic State reportedly burns Jordanian pilot to death
Post by: mystery-ak on February 03, 2015, 06:58:27 pm
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/02/03/us-mideast-crisis-jordan-army-idUSKBN0L725T20150203?utm_source=Facebook (http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/02/03/us-mideast-crisis-jordan-army-idUSKBN0L725T20150203?utm_source=Facebook)

Jordan says killers of its pilot will face revenge
AMMAN Tue Feb 3, 2015 1:28pm EST


Jordan »
(Reuters) - The Jordanian army said on Tuesday it would avenge the death of a Jordanian pilot killed by Islamic State militants.

"The revenge will be as big as the calamity that has hit Jordan," army spokesman Colonel Mamdouh al Ameri said in a televised statement, confirming the death of Mouath al-Kasaesbeh, who was captured by the insurgents in December when his plane crashed over Syria.

Islamic State earlier released a video purporting to show Kasaesbeh being burnt alive.
Title: Re: Islamic State reportedly burns Jordanian pilot to death
Post by: flowers on February 03, 2015, 07:17:15 pm
Obama Responds to ISIS Torching of Jordanian Pilot By Pushing Obamacare (VIDEO)WARNING GRAPHIC PIC OF BURNING AT THIS LINK

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/02/obama-responds-to-isis-torching-of-jordanian-pilot-by-pushing-obamacare-video/

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Barack Obama responded to the horrific murder by pushing Obamacare.

    “Should, in fact, this video be authentic, it’s just one more indication of the viciousness and barbarity of this organization. And I think we’ll redouble the vigilance and determination of the a global coalition to make sure they are degraded and ultimately defeated. And it also just indicates the degree to which whatever ideology they’re operating off of is bankrupt. We’re here to talk about how to make people healthier and make their lives better. And this organization appears only interested in death and destruction.”

Title: Re: Islamic State reportedly burns Jordanian pilot to death
Post by: musiclady on February 03, 2015, 07:26:54 pm
When I read and hear things like this, one of the things that occurs to me is that Obama hates me and my fellow conservatives more than he hates Islamofascists.

This utter, unspeakable EVIL will keep getting worse because there is no world leadership coming from America.
Title: Re: Islamic State reportedly burns Jordanian pilot to death
Post by: Millee on February 03, 2015, 07:29:37 pm
Obama Responds to ISIS Torching of Jordanian Pilot By Pushing Obamacare (VIDEO)WARNING GRAPHIC PIC OF BURNING AT THIS LINK

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/02/obama-responds-to-isis-torching-of-jordanian-pilot-by-pushing-obamacare-video/

They must be quaking in their boots now. 
Title: Re: Islamic State reportedly burns Jordanian pilot to death
Post by: mountaineer on February 03, 2015, 07:30:11 pm
Quote
Barack Obama responded to the horrific murder by pushing Obamacare
We know he's a narcissist, but is he also a sociopath?
Title: Re: Islamic State reportedly burns Jordanian pilot to death
Post by: Bigun on February 03, 2015, 08:03:43 pm
We know he's a narcissist, but is he also a sociopath?

Apparently yes!
Title: Re: Islamic State reportedly burns Jordanian pilot to death
Post by: mystery-ak on February 03, 2015, 08:10:17 pm
I hope America has learned it's lesson on electing an inexperienced weak president...but I bet not.......
Title: Re: Islamic State reportedly burns Jordanian pilot to death
Post by: flowers on February 03, 2015, 08:11:42 pm
Apparently yes!
anyone normal who watched that couldn't have come out with a statement like he did. I watched that video. It is very disturbing.
Title: Re: Islamic State reportedly burns Jordanian pilot to death
Post by: Bigun on February 03, 2015, 08:30:46 pm
I hope America has learned it's lesson on electing an inexperienced weak president...but I bet not.......

He's an enemy agent! Bought and paid for!
Title: Re: Islamic State reportedly burns Jordanian pilot to death
Post by: mystery-ak on February 03, 2015, 08:46:27 pm
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2938199/Burned-alive-cage-ISIS-release-video-claiming-horrifying-murder-captured-Jordanian-pilot.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2938199/Burned-alive-cage-ISIS-release-video-claiming-horrifying-murder-captured-Jordanian-pilot.html)

Jordan announces execution of six ISIS prisoners 'within hours' in retaliation after terrorists release lavish video of Jordanian pilot being TORCHED to death in a cage in yet another new low for humanity

    Video titled 'Healing the Believers' Chests' shows brutal murder of pilot
    Moaz al-Kasasbeh is filmed being burnt alive while locked in a cage
    He was captured in December after his jet crashed over ISIS-held territory
    Jordan has confirmed pilot was brutally murdered by ISIS on January 3
    Barack Obama condemned the killing, branding it 'vicious and barbaric'
    David Cameron said 'sickening murder' would 'strengthen our resolve'
    In response to sickening footage, Jordan vowed to execute of all six of its ISIS-linked prisoners 'within hours'
    Security sources said that will include execution of failed female suicide bomber Sajida al-Rishawi

By John Hall and Tom Wyke and Steph Cockroft for MailOnline and David Williams, Chief Reporter for the Daily Mail

Published: 11:50 EST, 3 February 2015 | Updated: 15:38 EST, 3 February 2015



Militants fighting for the Islamic State terror group in Syria and Iraq have claimed to have burned alive captured Jordanian pilot Moaz al-Kasasbeh while he was locked helpless in a cage.

The footage, which is titled 'Healing the Believers' Chests' appears to show the captured airman wearing an orange jumpsuit as a trail of petrol leading up to the cage is seen being set alight.

Flames are seen quickly spreading to the cage where they completely engulf the helpless pilot in images that are far too distressing to publish.

The release of the video has prompted Jordan to announce it will execute all prisoners convicted of association with ISIS 'within hours'.

Within an hour of the 22-minute-long video's publication, Jordan reportedly moved six ISIS-linked prisoners to a jail in the south of the country which is usually used for state executions.

Security sources in the country told international news agencies that would include Sajida al-Rishawi, the female militant whom ISIS had originally demanded Jordan release in exchange for Kasasbeh. 

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2938199/Burned-alive-cage-ISIS-release-video-claiming-horrifying-murder-captured-Jordanian-pilot.html#ixzz3QiW6soON

Title: Re: Islamic State reportedly burns Jordanian pilot to death
Post by: flowers on February 03, 2015, 08:58:20 pm
 Breaking News @NewsOnTheMin  ·  29m 29 minutes ago

BREAKING: ISIS has burned 2 Iraqis alive in Anbar Iraq for being soldiers in Iraqi Army. (@zaidbenjamin)
Title: Re: Islamic State reportedly burns Jordanian pilot to death
Post by: alicewonders on February 03, 2015, 09:06:04 pm
Breaking News @NewsOnTheMin  ·  29m 29 minutes ago

BREAKING: ISIS has burned 2 Iraqis alive in Anbar Iraq for being soldiers in Iraqi Army. (@zaidbenjamin)

I guess they were getting bored with beheading.  Seriously, are civilized people going to allow these atrocities to continue?  They get ever more evil with each passing day.

Title: Re: Islamic State reportedly burns Jordanian pilot to death
Post by: GourmetDan on February 03, 2015, 09:07:55 pm
I guess they were getting bored with beheading.  Seriously, are civilized people going to allow these atrocities to continue?  They get ever more evil with each passing day.

Kinda makes me wonder what it will take for people to start fighting this at the psychological-level.

What is it going to take?


Title: Re: Islamic State reportedly burns Jordanian pilot to death
Post by: alicewonders on February 03, 2015, 09:26:09 pm
Kinda makes me wonder what it will take for people to start fighting this at the psychological-level.

What is it going to take?

I though beheading was the worst....now burning someone alive in such a horrific way....who sits around and thinks these things up?  Satan would have to be sitting with them.  I can't imagine what will be next.

Title: Obama Responds to ISIS Torching of Jordanian Pilot By Pushing Obamacare (VIDEO)
Post by: mystery-ak on February 03, 2015, 09:28:36 pm
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/02/obama-responds-to-isis-torching-of-jordanian-pilot-by-pushing-obamacare-video/#disqus_thread (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/02/obama-responds-to-isis-torching-of-jordanian-pilot-by-pushing-obamacare-video/#disqus_thread)

Obama Responds to ISIS Torching of Jordanian Pilot By Pushing Obamacare (VIDEO)
Posted by Jim Hoft on Tuesday, February 3, 2015, 12:38 PM

ISIS murdered a Jordanian pilot today.
They torched Lt. Moaz al-Kasasbeh alive in a cage.

(http://1-ps.googleusercontent.com/hk/9dO3E1tyAM9FEJoQjUgzLfLy1j/www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/575x323xisis-cage-575x323.jpg.pagespeed.ic.8cjV4D36rtpF7HQK652B.webp)

Barack Obama responded to the horrific murder by pushing Obamacare.

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“Should, in fact, this video be authentic, it’s just one more indication of the viciousness and barbarity of this organization. And I think we’ll redouble the vigilance and determination of the a global coalition to make sure they are degraded and ultimately defeated. And it also just indicates the degree to which whatever ideology they’re operating off of is bankrupt. We’re here to talk about how to make people healthier and make their lives better. And this organization appears only interested in death and destruction.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Z_bx3mGYek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Z_bx3mGYek)
Title: Re: Islamic State reportedly burns Jordanian pilot to death
Post by: Lando Lincoln on February 03, 2015, 09:33:13 pm
I though beheading was the worst....now burning someone alive in such a horrific way....who sits around and thinks these things up?  Satan would have to be sitting with them.  I can't imagine what will be next.

History is replete with ever-more cruel and barbaric ways to savage another human being. 
Title: Re: Islamic State reportedly burns Jordanian pilot to death
Post by: olde north church on February 03, 2015, 09:45:04 pm
History is replete with ever-more cruel and barbaric ways to savage another human being.

The Assyrians made these people look like kindergarten.
Title: Re: Islamic State reportedly burns Jordanian pilot to death
Post by: flowers on February 03, 2015, 09:47:21 pm
I though beheading was the worst....now burning someone alive in such a horrific way....who sits around and thinks these things up?  Satan would have to be sitting with them.  I can't imagine what will be next.
I saw a post elsewhere that said what would be next, no you don't want to know.
Title: Re: Islamic State reportedly burns Jordanian pilot to death
Post by: Luis Gonzalez on February 03, 2015, 10:08:04 pm
When the Hell will it be cry havoc and dogs of war time?

It's like Hitler televising Gas Chamber Saturdays and the world doing nothing.
Title: Re: Islamic State reportedly burns Jordanian pilot to death
Post by: rangerrebew on February 03, 2015, 10:24:38 pm
In other news, Obiewan is reviewing the first draft of a strongly-worded letter he is thinking of sending...

What is he going to say?  Its the worst case of workplace violence he ever saw? :peeonobama:
Title: Re: Islamic State reportedly burns Jordanian pilot to death
Post by: flowers on February 03, 2015, 10:49:45 pm
What is he going to say?  Its the worst case of workplace violence he ever saw? :peeonobama:
No he will call it a workplace accident and get OSHA involved.
Title: Re: Islamic State reportedly burns Jordanian pilot to death
Post by: Lando Lincoln on February 04, 2015, 12:19:54 am
To slightly morph a line of Michelle Obama: This is the first time I fear for my country.
Title: Re: Obama Responds to ISIS Torching of Jordanian Pilot By Pushing Obamacare (VIDEO)
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on February 04, 2015, 12:20:32 am
Did I hear correctly that the Jordanian king is here .... and will meet with Obama tonight?
Title: Re: Obama Responds to ISIS Torching of Jordanian Pilot By Pushing Obamacare (VIDEO)
Post by: mystery-ak on February 04, 2015, 12:29:22 am
Did I hear correctly that the Jordanian king is here .... and will meet with Obama tonight?

Yes..Greta and her guests have been talking about this...they are sure King Abdullah is strong with his resolve to strike back and may ask Obama for help..the panel is not confident that Obama will help...
Title: Re: Islamic State reportedly burns Jordanian pilot to death
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on February 04, 2015, 12:58:44 am
When the Hell will it be cry havoc and dogs of war time?

I've often asked that question, too.  But I think we need to start seriously discussing what blood and treasure we are willing to commit to this.  Congress is going to, obviously, need to hear our voices.

But while it sounds like a question with an easy answer, it really is not.  So--do we commit money to Jordan, increase air attacks, put boots on the ground--if so, where?  Do we do this with a like-minded coalition, or take the leading role? 

Do we none of or all of the above?

What will victory look like?

I think the time has come to snap out of the horror and figure out how to stop it.  But this is just my $.02.
Title: Re: Islamic State reportedly burns Jordanian pilot to death
Post by: Luis Gonzalez on February 04, 2015, 01:22:04 am

What will victory look like?


Like this:

(http://www.historyandheadlines.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/bombing-of-Dresden-1945.jpg)
(http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1892952.1407328444!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/gallery_1200/atomic-bombing-hiroshima-nagasaki-69-years.jpg)
Title: Re: Islamic State reportedly burns Jordanian pilot to death
Post by: Bigun on February 04, 2015, 01:38:05 am
I've often asked that question, too.  But I think we need to start seriously discussing what blood and treasure we are willing to commit to this.  Congress is going to, obviously, need to hear our voices.

But while it sounds like a question with an easy answer, it really is not.  So--do we commit money to Jordan, increase air attacks, put boots on the ground--if so, where?  Do we do this with a like-minded coalition, or take the leading role? 

Do we none of or all of the above?

What will victory look like?

I think the time has come to snap out of the horror and figure out how to stop it.  But this is just my $.02.

And my $.02 is that we should immediately stop hacking at the branches of the problem  and start striking at the root which is Iran!  I'm sure of it and it my opinion will not change!
Title: Re: Islamic State reportedly burns Jordanian pilot to death
Post by: 240B on February 04, 2015, 01:45:39 am
When the Hell will it be cry havoc and dogs of war time?

It's like Hitler televising Gas Chamber Saturdays and the world doing nothing.

[Julius Caesar]
O, pardon me, thou bleeding piece of earth,
That I am meek and gentle with these butchers!
Thou art the ruins of the noblest man
That ever lived in the tide of times.
Woe to the hand that shed this costly blood!
Over thy wounds now do I prophesy,
--Which, like dumb mouths, do ope their ruby lips,
To beg the voice and utterance of my tongue--
A curse shall light upon the limbs of men;
Domestic fury and fierce civil strife
Shall cumber all the parts of Italy;
Blood and destruction shall be so in use
And dreadful objects so familiar
That mothers shall but smile when they behold
Their infants quarter'd with the hands of war;
All pity choked with custom of fell deeds:
And Caesar's spirit, ranging for revenge,
With Ate by his side come hot from hell,
Shall in these confines with a monarch's voice
Cry 'Havoc,' and let slip the dogs of war;
That this foul deed shall smell above the earth
With carrion men, groaning for burial. (3.1.254-275)
Title: Re: Islamic State reportedly burns Jordanian pilot to death
Post by: Fishrrman on February 04, 2015, 02:30:08 am
GourmetDan asks above:
[[ Kinda makes me wonder what it will take for people to start fighting this at the psychological-level.
What is it going to take? ]]


Dan, you and every other poster in this forum "knows what it's going to take".

Actually, I'm wondering if even that is going to be enough to wake up the somnolent West.

Indeed, if it happens during Obama's reign, or that of another democrat, I fully expect "submission", not revenge.
Title: Re: Islamic State reportedly burns Jordanian pilot to death
Post by: Fishrrman on February 04, 2015, 02:41:12 am
Right_in_Virginia asks above:
[[ I've often asked that question, too.  But I think we need to start seriously discussing what blood and treasure we are willing to commit to this.
....
What will victory look like? ]]


What "treasure"?
Two of "the big ones".

What will it "look like"?
Ashes where two cites used to be.
Two cities with names that began with "m"...
Title: Re: Islamic State reportedly burns Jordanian pilot to death
Post by: 240B on February 04, 2015, 03:05:42 am
Indeed, if it happens during Obama's reign, or that of another democrat, I fully expect "submission", not revenge.

You only have to look at Britain (the home of Neville Chmberlain, btw)
 for 'submission'. They have already willingly turned their country over to Islamic control, in the name of being 'sensitive' to other cultures. (political correctness)
 
And the rest of Europe is following their trail. Either America will stand, or it will fall just like Britain and the rest of Europe already have.
 
It is a ticking clock. It is simply a matter of time before Britain outlaws Scotch and Beer, and requires all their women to wear Burquas. That is simply, and sadly, just the way it is.
 
You know. In the name of being 'culturally sensitive'.

'Culturally Sensitive' always applies one way with the Leftists. And it never applies to Muslims, who are supposedly "guests' (LOL) in thier country.
Title: Re: Obama Responds to ISIS Torching of Jordanian Pilot By Pushing Obamacare (VIDEO)
Post by: musiclady on February 04, 2015, 03:19:42 am
Yes..Greta and her guests have been talking about this...they are sure King Abdullah is strong with his resolve to strike back and may ask Obama for help..the panel is not confident that Obama will help...

Meghan Kelly just announced that Jordan will now execute the female Iraqi terrorist they are holding.....

Should be an interesting meeting, since Obama doesn't even believe in enhanced interrogation.   **nononono*
Title: Re: Islamic State reportedly burns Jordanian pilot to death
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on February 04, 2015, 04:26:40 am
And my $.02 is that we should immediately stop hacking at the branches of the problem  and start striking at the root which is Iran!  I'm sure of it and it my opinion will not change!

Well I agree with "stop hacking at the branches of the problem"-- but how?  Are we advocating all out boots on the ground war? (If we'd be in it to win it, I could support that)

Are you sure Iran is the root of the problem?  I thought they were in Syria fighting ISIS--or no?
Title: Re: Islamic State reportedly burns Jordanian pilot to death
Post by: Bigun on February 04, 2015, 04:39:05 am
Well I agree with "stop hacking at the branches of the problem"-- but how?  Are we advocating all out boots on the ground war? (If we'd be in it to win it, I could support that)

Are you sure Iran is the root of the problem?  I thought they were in Syria fighting ISIS--or no?

Well what I'm talking about is taking down the Mullah regime in Iran by any and every means available!  Syria is just a client state of Iran! When Iran has been properly dealt with Syria, and every other problem state in the region, will fall into place rather quickly.
Title: Re: Islamic State reportedly burns Jordanian pilot to death
Post by: Fishrrman on February 04, 2015, 04:39:20 am
Right_in_Virginia wonders above:  (with a side reference to Bigun)
[[ Are you sure Iran is the root of the problem? ]]

(sigh)
The "root" of "the problem" lies between no national boundary of any nation.
Not even Iran.

It lies between the covers of a book.

Can you guess which book that might be?
Title: Re: Islamic State reportedly burns Jordanian pilot to death
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on February 04, 2015, 12:53:39 pm
Right_in_Virginia wonders above:  (with a side reference to Bigun)
[[ Are you sure Iran is the root of the problem? ]]

(sigh)
The "root" of "the problem" lies between no national boundary of any nation.
Not even Iran.

It lies between the covers of a book.

Can you guess which book that might be?

LOL.  Yes, I get your point.  I'm just not sure what you're advocating.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Islamic State reportedly burns Jordanian pilot to death
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on February 04, 2015, 12:55:48 pm
Well what I'm talking about is taking down the Mullah regime in Iran by any and every means available!  Syria is just a client state of Iran! When Iran has been properly dealt with Syria, and every other problem state in the region, will fall into place rather quickly.

Will taking down the Mullah regime in Iran end ISIS? 
Title: Re: Islamic State reportedly burns Jordanian pilot to death
Post by: aligncare on February 04, 2015, 01:57:21 pm
LOL.  Yes, I get your point.  I'm just not sure what you're advocating.

Thanks.

Fishrrman is talking about a holy war...in his scenario Islam can never incorporate peacefully into the world community because it's sacred texts compel believers to conquer all other faiths—using fear and violence if necessary. Submit or die.
Title: Re: Islamic State reportedly burns Jordanian pilot to death
Post by: Bigun on February 04, 2015, 02:25:48 pm
Will taking down the Mullah regime in Iran end ISIS?

IMHO absolutely YES!
Title: Re: Islamic State reportedly burns Jordanian pilot to death
Post by: GourmetDan on February 04, 2015, 02:55:17 pm
Will taking down the Mullah regime in Iran end ISIS?

Wasn't ISIS a U.S. creation to destabilize Syria that apparently 'got away'?


Title: Re: Islamic State reportedly burns Jordanian pilot to death
Post by: Bigun on February 04, 2015, 02:59:45 pm
Wasn't ISIS a U.S. creation to destabilize Syria that apparently 'got away'?

All of the facts aren't publicly in on that yet but I personally think that ISIS or ISIL or whatever they choose to call it today really began in BENGHAZI!
Title: Re: Islamic State reportedly burns Jordanian pilot to death
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on February 04, 2015, 03:55:08 pm
IMHO absolutely YES! 

If Iran is in Syria fighting ISIS to assist its closest ally, how would removing the current regime help eliminate the ISIS sub-humanoids?

IOW, with the Mullah regime gone and Iran weakened, wouldn't this combination strengthen ISIS?  If so, is a strengthened ISIS simply a small price to pay to upset the status quo in Iran?
Title: Re: Islamic State reportedly burns Jordanian pilot to death
Post by: DCPatriot on February 04, 2015, 03:55:29 pm
Al Qaeda was NEVER defeated.

ISIS is Al Qaeda from Iraq. They are the formerly 'protected' tribe under Saddam Hussein who are extracting revenge for the previous slaughter when Hussein was toppled.

As Obama once said, you can put all the lipstick on a pig you desire, but it's still a pig.
Title: Re: Islamic State reportedly burns Jordanian pilot to death
Post by: Bigun on February 04, 2015, 04:02:41 pm
If Iran is in Syria fighting ISIS to assist its closest ally, how would removing the current regime help eliminate the ISIS sub-humanoids?

IOW, with the Mullah regime gone and Iran weakened, wouldn't this combination strengthen ISIS?  If so, is a strengthened ISIS simply a small price to pay to upset the status quo in Iran?

The Iranian regime is masterful at playing both ends against the middle to achieve it's end purpose! Beware of making to much out of surface appearances where they are concerned!
 

It may very temporarily strengthen ISIS but not for long!
Title: Re: Islamic State reportedly burns Jordanian pilot to death
Post by: Bigun on February 04, 2015, 04:03:27 pm
Al Qaeda was NEVER defeated.

ISIS is Al Qaeda from Iraq. They are the formerly 'protected' tribe under Saddam Hussein who are extracting revenge for the previous slaughter when Hussein was toppled.

As Obama once said, you can put all the lipstick on a pig you desire, but it's still a pig.

And Al Qaeda is IRAN!
Title: Re: Islamic State reportedly burns Jordanian pilot to death
Post by: Bigun on February 04, 2015, 04:05:57 pm
Al Qaeda was NEVER defeated.

ISIS is Al Qaeda from Iraq. They are the formerly 'protected' tribe under Saddam Hussein who are extracting revenge for the previous slaughter when Hussein was toppled.

As Obama once said, you can put all the lipstick on a pig you desire, but it's still a pig.

You mean like ACORN, having never missed a beat, operating under other name(s) today!
Title: Re: Islamic State reportedly burns Jordanian pilot to death
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on February 04, 2015, 05:29:08 pm
And Al Qaeda is IRAN!

Wait...what?  I thought Al Qaeda was Saudi Arabia?  When did it become Iran?
Title: Re: Islamic State reportedly burns Jordanian pilot to death
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on February 04, 2015, 05:30:14 pm
The Iranian regime is masterful at playing both ends against the middle to achieve it's end purpose! Beware of making to much out of surface appearances where they are concerned!
 
It may very temporarily strengthen ISIS but not for long! 

Who's going to weaken this "temporarily strengthened" ISIS?  Who?
Title: Re: Islamic State reportedly burns Jordanian pilot to death
Post by: Bigun on February 04, 2015, 05:40:48 pm
Wait...what?  I thought Al Qaeda was Saudi Arabia?  When did it become Iran?

There were definitely Saudis in Al Qaeda Usama himself was one. There still are many Saudis in that outfit but the MONEY and the weapons of all types come mostly from IRAN!
Title: Re: Islamic State reportedly burns Jordanian pilot to death
Post by: Bigun on February 04, 2015, 05:43:14 pm
Who's going to weaken this "temporarily strengthened" ISIS?  Who?

The fact that the Iranian Mulla regime not being there to support them will have a very large long term effect on the outfit!

If you actually talk to people who know anything in that region they will ALL tell you that Iran is THE problem!
Title: Re: Islamic State reportedly burns Jordanian pilot to death
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on February 04, 2015, 05:51:18 pm
The fact that the Iranian Mulla regime not being there to support them will have a very large long term effect on the outfit!

If you actually talk to people who know anything in that region they will ALL tell you that Iran is THE problem!

Please, explain this to me:  If the Iranian regime is in Syria fighting ISIS to protect their closest ally (that would be Syria) how does eliminating the Iranian regime help defeat ISIS.

I am "getting" your passion regarding Iran, but not your logic regarding Iran and ISIS.  So help me, please.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Islamic State reportedly burns Jordanian pilot to death
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on February 04, 2015, 05:54:58 pm

If you actually talk to people who know anything in that region they will ALL tell you that Iran is THE problem!

Please do share--who are the experts you're talking to--ALL of them?
Title: Re: Islamic State reportedly burns Jordanian pilot to death
Post by: Bigun on February 04, 2015, 05:55:52 pm
Please, explain this to me:  If the Iranian regime is in Syria fighting ISIS to protect their closest ally (that would be Syria) how does eliminating the Iranian regime help defeat ISIS.

I am "getting" your passion regarding Iran, but not your logic regarding Iran and ISIS.  So help me, please.

Thanks.

All I can tell you is that things are not always as they appear and that is especially true in the particular circumstance you raise but you are free to believe whatever you want.
Title: Re: Islamic State reportedly burns Jordanian pilot to death
Post by: Bigun on February 04, 2015, 05:56:45 pm
Please do share--who are the experts you're talking to--ALL of them?

No can do! Sorry!

All I can tell you is that I spent a large chunk of my life living and working in that area of the world.

Title: Re: Islamic State reportedly burns Jordanian pilot to death
Post by: Luis Gonzalez on February 04, 2015, 06:07:05 pm
No can do! Sorry!

All I can tell you is that I spent a large chunk of my life living and working in that area of the world.

Bigun, you're a true asset to this forum.

You have personal relationships with current members of Congress, helped write the GOP platform and have confidential intelligence sources in the ME.

That's amazing.

Are you free to discuss the technical inaccuracies of the movie "Interstellar"?

 :patriot:
Title: Re: Islamic State reportedly burns Jordanian pilot to death
Post by: Scottftlc on February 04, 2015, 06:11:28 pm
When I read and hear things like this, one of the things that occurs to me is that Obama hates me and my fellow conservatives more than he hates Islamofascists.

This utter, unspeakable EVIL will keep getting worse because there is no world leadership coming from America.

He sees you and your fellow conservatives as an enemy that can thwart him, his beliefs and his personal legacy.  You are more the enemy than Islamofascists to him - because you can take his power away, he does not believe that Islamofascists pose such a personal threat to him.  He is worried first about himself and his power.  He does not believe they pose that kind of threat.
Title: Re: Islamic State reportedly burns Jordanian pilot to death
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on February 04, 2015, 06:41:23 pm
All I can tell you is that things are not always as they appear and that is especially true in the particular circumstance you raise but you are free to believe whatever you want.

I'm not referring to any "belief"--whether yours or mine.  I'm asking for tangible evidence, one way or the other.  And there must be some or your passion would not be so strong (!!!!!!). 

Without some tangibles, the most strongly stated opinion can begin to sound like hyperbole.

Just saying.
Title: Re: Islamic State reportedly burns Jordanian pilot to death
Post by: Bigun on February 04, 2015, 06:51:12 pm
Bigun, you're a true asset to this forum.

You have personal relationships with current members of Congress, helped write the GOP platform and have confidential intelligence sources in the ME.

That's amazing.

Are you free to discuss the technical inaccuracies of the movie "Interstellar"?

 :patriot:

I have indeed had the good fortune to do many things and work with many people in my lifetime! Thanks for the vote of confidence!

Sorry but I don't know anything about that movie and thus have no interest in discussing it.
Title: Re: Islamic State reportedly burns Jordanian pilot to death
Post by: Bigun on February 04, 2015, 06:58:11 pm
I'm not referring to any "belief"--whether yours or mine.  I'm asking for tangible evidence, one way or the other.  And there must be some or your passion would not be so strong (!!!!!!). 

Without some tangibles, the most strongly stated opinion can begin to sound like hyperbole.

Just saying.

I completely understand your position and wish that I were able to comply with your request. Unfortunately I cannot so you will just have to use your own judgement about what I have said here. All I ask is that you focus on the BIG picture and not snapshots on the periphery. Start by looking at events that occurred around forty years ago and move forward.
 
Title: Re: Islamic State reportedly burns Jordanian pilot to death
Post by: Bigun on February 04, 2015, 07:23:49 pm
http://conservativebyte.com/2015/02/u-s-backed-fighters-switch-islamic-state/ (http://conservativebyte.com/2015/02/u-s-backed-fighters-switch-islamic-state/)
Title: Re: Islamic State reportedly burns Jordanian pilot to death
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on February 04, 2015, 07:40:07 pm
I completely understand your position and wish that I were able to comply with your request. Unfortunately I cannot so you will just have to use your own judgement about what I have said here. All I ask is that you focus on the BIG picture and not snapshots on the periphery. Start by looking at events that occurred around forty years ago and move forward.
 

Can I start with this question about the here and now:  Is or is not Iran in Syria fighting ISIS?

Just a "yes", a "no" or an "I don't know" would help me greatly.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Islamic State reportedly burns Jordanian pilot to death
Post by: Bigun on February 04, 2015, 07:43:36 pm
Can I start with this question about the here and now:  Is or is not Iran in Syria fighting ISIS?

Just a "yes", a "no" or an "I don't know" would help me greatly.

Thanks.

Iran is indeed propping up their puppet in Syria by every means possible.
Title: Re: Islamic State reportedly burns Jordanian pilot to death
Post by: Luis Gonzalez on February 04, 2015, 07:44:15 pm
I completely understand your position and wish that I were able to comply with your request. Unfortunately I cannot so you will just have to use your own judgement about what I have said here. All I ask is that you focus on the BIG picture and not snapshots on the periphery. Start by looking at events that occurred around forty years ago and move forward.
 

What in the world would me finally getting to third base with Marce D. have to do with this topic?
Title: Re: Islamic State reportedly burns Jordanian pilot to death
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on February 04, 2015, 07:50:28 pm
Iran is indeed propping up their puppet in Syria by every means possible.

Just to be clear  ^-^ --- Iran's fighting ISIS to protect and help Assad?
Title: Re: Islamic State reportedly burns Jordanian pilot to death
Post by: Bigun on February 04, 2015, 07:55:40 pm
Just to be clear  ^-^ --- Iran's fighting ISIS to protect and help Assad?

They would like you to believe that for sure. What they are actually doing is the exact same thing that Obama is doing in Iraq which is to give the appearance of doing something while actually doing not much of anything!  Assad's enemies in Syria are many but I do not believe ISIS or ISIL is among them.
Title: Re: Islamic State reportedly burns Jordanian pilot to death
Post by: Bigun on February 04, 2015, 07:59:44 pm
or at least not the same ISIL or ISIS that is currently operating in Iraq! Just like anyone can call themselves a republican here, any group operating in Syria can call themselves whatever they like.
Title: Re: Islamic State reportedly burns Jordanian pilot to death
Post by: Bigun on February 04, 2015, 08:20:15 pm
We have ventured far off into the weeds on this thread and I'm going to leave it right here. I continue to believe that IRAN is the key to the entire Middle East problem we are currently experiencing. Others are free to draw their own conclusions.
Title: Re: Islamic State reportedly burns Jordanian pilot to death
Post by: Luis Gonzalez on February 04, 2015, 08:23:41 pm
or at least not the same ISIL or ISIS that is currently operating in Iraq! Just like anyone can call themselves a republican here, any group operating in Syria can call themselves whatever they like.

Yeah...

Ain't that the truth?

Anyone can make just about any claim about themselves here.
Title: Re: Islamic State reportedly burns Jordanian pilot to death
Post by: Bigun on February 04, 2015, 08:30:42 pm
Yeah...

Ain't that the truth?

Anyone can make just about any claim about themselves here.

Exactly right Luis!   And "here" is on the internet so I would strongly suggest that everyone here look closely at everything said here and make their own determinations as to whether or not it is valid.
Title: Re: Islamic State reportedly burns Jordanian pilot to death
Post by: Luis Gonzalez on February 04, 2015, 09:53:04 pm
Exactly right Luis!   And "here" is on the internet so I would strongly suggest that everyone here look closely at everything said here and make their own determinations as to whether or not it is valid.

Valuable and ironically appropriate advice Bigun.

Thanks.

 :patriot:
Title: Re: Islamic State reportedly burns Jordanian pilot to death
Post by: Lando Lincoln on February 04, 2015, 09:56:03 pm
My head hurts.
Title: Re: Islamic State reportedly burns Jordanian pilot to death
Post by: Bigun on February 04, 2015, 09:56:29 pm
Valuable and ironically appropriate advice Bigun.

Thanks.

 :patriot:

I would say the exact same thing about anything said anywhere on the internet.

 :beer:
Title: Re: Islamic State reportedly burns Jordanian pilot to death
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on February 04, 2015, 10:49:49 pm
They would like you to believe that for sure. What they are actually doing is the exact same thing that Obama is doing in Iraq which is to give the appearance of doing something while actually doing not much of anything!  Assad's enemies in Syria are many but I do not believe ISIS or ISIL is among them.

So the "they" you're referring to is Iran....yes?  And Iran wants me to believe that they're in Syria fighting ISIS on behalf of their strongest ally, Syria.  But you submit that AHA!! ISIS is not really an enemy of Assad so Iran is up to something VERY devious.

Okay..  I'm a little dizzy.  Well, really quite dizzy.

Sir, if I may drill down to what I think is your bedrock point:  Iran needs to be bombed unto rubble and dust.   The reasons may be too convoluted to understand--but rubble and dust it MUST be!!

Have I got at least that right? 
Title: Re: Islamic State reportedly burns Jordanian pilot to death
Post by: Bigun on February 05, 2015, 12:36:23 am
So the "they" you're referring to is Iran....yes?  And Iran wants me to believe that they're in Syria fighting ISIS on behalf of their strongest ally, Syria.  But you submit that AHA!! ISIS is not really an enemy of Assad so Iran is up to something VERY devious.

Okay..  I'm a little dizzy.  Well, really quite dizzy.

Sir, if I may drill down to what I think is your bedrock point:  Iran needs to be bombed unto rubble and dust.   The reasons may be too convoluted to understand--but rubble and dust it MUST be!!

Have I got at least that right?

Not exactly!  What needs to be done is for the regime of the Mullahs in Iran to be ended by any means necessary!  I personally don't think we would have to do much beyond completely supporting the people of Iran who desperately want that exact same result but if we wind up needing to do more than that we definitely should do it!

If we actually did that the entire dynamic of the Middle East Region would change rapidly in our favor!

If Obama were really on our side he would have done EXACTLY that way back in 2009!


Title: Re: Islamic State reportedly burns Jordanian pilot to death
Post by: Bigun on February 05, 2015, 12:40:03 am
The CURRENT situation over there is quite complicated, enough to make anyone dizzy, and purposefully made more so by the Obama administration.