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Half of Viking city of Sigtuna were immigrants: study
25 August 2018
12:13 CEST+02:00
No fewer than half the population of the Viking town of Sigtuna were immigrants, a new genetic analysis of human remains from the 10th to the 12th century has discovered.
While rough half of the 38 people whose bones and teeth were genetically tested grew up in or around the nearby Lake Mälaren area, the other half came from as far away as Ukraine, Lithuania, northern Germany, the British Isles, and parts of central Europe, as well as from southern Sweden, Norway and Denmark.
“It was a sort of Viking Age Scandinavian Shanghai or London,†Anders Götherström, Professor of Molecular Archeology at Stockholm University, told the TT newswire. “Anyone who wanted to do something, to work their way up in the church or in politics were first forced to come to Sigtuna.â€
https://www.thelocal.se/20180825/half-of-sigtuna-swedens-first-capital-were-immigrants (https://www.thelocal.se/20180825/half-of-sigtuna-swedens-first-capital-were-immigrants)
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What do they think "Viking" meant?
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All sea lanes lead to Sigtuna.
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Cue Led Zeppelin....
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What do they think "Viking" meant?
My people were travelers.
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Somebody had to pick the lettuce. :shrug:
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While rough half of the 38 people whose bones and teeth were genetically tested grew up in or around the nearby Lake Mälaren area, the other half came from as far away as Ukraine, Lithuania, northern Germany, the British Isles, and parts of central Europe, as well as from southern Sweden, Norway and Denmark.
You know what's funny...... other than Ukraine, that's exactly what showed up in my Ancestry.com DNA test.
All my family back to great great grandparents came from Nora/Orebro and the Lake Vanern/Karlstad area.
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Somebody had to pick the lettuce. :shrug:
Jobs no self-respecting Swedes would do, I'm sure.....
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My people were travelers.
Basically, yes.
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Basically, yes.
There's a big statue in central Kiev of the three Swedes who founded the city and settled in Ukraine.
Not surprising that some came back to the homeland.
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You would think historians would know that Vikings kept and sold slaves,wouldn't you?
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There's a big statue in central Kiev of the three Swedes who founded the city and settled in Ukraine.
Not surprising that some came back to the homeland.
@musiclady
There is a HUGE bronze statue of the Russian/Viking of the prince in downtown Moscow that drove the the Mongol hordes out of Russia. Russia got it's name from the Viking tribe named "Rus" that brought order there.
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@To-Whose-Benefit? Viking ping
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The Correct Usage Of The Term ‘Viking’
Many people tend to mistake the term ‘Viking’ for the broader sense of all Norsemen (i.e. the early medieval Scandinavians). In fact, the term only denotes the occupation of a Norseman and not the ethnicity of the respective individual. Regarding the etymology of the word ‘Viking’, various linguistic theories had been proposed in order to explain from which root had it been derived.
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The correct usage of the term ‘Viking’ can be explained in a nutshell as follows: All Vikings were Norsemen but not all Norsemen were Vikings. In other words, to be Viking was an occupation. It meant that a certain person would go a Viking if he or she would have been disposed to raid, plunder, loot and explore lands overseas.
To be a Viking was not the same thing as being a thief. Theft was not tolerated under any circumstances in the Norse society. In the end, what separated Vikings from thieves were the raids. The raids represented the unique and most valuable chances for one to prove worthy in battle, gain honour and respect, thus exponentially increasing his or her social status, evidently depending on the achievements made on the battlefield...
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?action=post;topic=330115.0;last_msg=1782076 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?action=post;topic=330115.0;last_msg=1782076)
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@musiclady
There is a HUGE bronze statue of the Russian/Viking of the prince in downtown Moscow that drove the the Mongol hordes out of Russia. Russia got it's name from the Viking tribe named "Rus" that brought order there.
I've never been to Moscow (never been east of St. Petersburg in Russia) so haven't seen that statue, but I have been to Ukraine and loved that it was the Swedes who not only settled Kiev, but gave the name "Rus" to Russia.
Too bad all the Swedes are wimps nowadays. They should have stopped somewhere between raping and pillaging and being Milquetoasts like they are now. :laugh:
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@Sanguine
Is there another link involved here - to read more - beside the one you have to comment?
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I've never been to Moscow (never been east of St. Petersburg in Russia) so haven't seen that statue, but I have been to Ukraine and loved that it was the Swedes who not only settled Kiev, but gave the name "Rus" to Russia.
Too bad all the Swedes are wimps nowadays. They should have stopped somewhere between raping and pillaging and being Milquetoasts like they are now. :laugh:
Swedish girls are gorgeous
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@Sanguine
Is there another link involved here - to read more - beside the one you have to comment?
I just did a search. I knew that "go a viking" is an action, not an ethnicity.
Here's some search results:
What does to 'go a viking' mean and how did the term originate ...
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Aug 4, 2017 ... According to To Go A Viking, Viking is a verb. The oldest man in a Norse family would inherit the family's possessions when the father died.
Viking History: Facts & Myths - Live Science
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1 day ago ... ... and was used as a verb by the Scandinavian people for when the men traditionally took time out of their summers to go "a Viking.
The Correct Usage Of The Term 'Viking' - The Dockyards
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Aug 17, 2015 ... It meant that a certain person would go a Viking if he or she would have been disposed to raid, plunder, loot and explore lands overseas.
Go a Viking by Frank Lane on Amazon Music - Amazon.com
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Check out Go a Viking by Frank Lane on Amazon Music. Stream ad-free or purchase CD's and MP3s now on Amazon.com.
Norway: Go "a-viking" - Pafko.com
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Norway: Go 'a-viking'. In 793 AD, several slender longboats sailed toward the English Coast. When the wind died down the single mast was laid bare and each ...
Go-a-Viking (when only one person tells it.) | DeviantArt
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"It was bound to happen someday wasn't it?" he gave a cheerful smile towards the other norwegian. "I finally found you. Although this has to be the wrong place..
Go A Viking (Original Mix) Frank Lane by La Vena Music | Free ...
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Nov 6, 2016 ... FIrst pre-release track on new label La Vena Music. Go A Viking (Original Mix) Frank Lane. 2016 All Rights Reserved.
GOING A VIKING — ACADEMY of VIKING MARTIAL ARTS
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In the sagas, the phrase "to go a VÃking" meant to go on a voyage of discovery. Part-time farmer/hunter/warriors from Norway who went 'a Viking' and traveled to ...
What does to go a-viking mean - Answers.com
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To "go a-viking" means to go raiding. "Viking was originally a Norse term describing a raid for loot and only later came to describe the Norse people who did ...
Vikings Word Search - Let's Go a Viking! by Curriculum Hound | TpT
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Vikings Word Search - Let's Go a Viking! Introduce or reinforce Viking-related vocabulary with this delightful themed word search! This puzzle includes fifteen ...
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Swedish girls are gorgeous
@Freya
Muslims seem to like raping them,anyhow.
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What do they think "Viking" meant?
@Freya
Thanks for the ping.
It's hard to actually say, since translations of Old Norse can sometimes be tricky things without knowing the culture well enough to know when you're dealing with a 'Kenning' / poetic metaphor.
Most likely mention I've hit upon would be "Creek Man" as in sneaking in up a small creek in a big boat designed especially for that job.
Viking longships were relatively shallow draft (about 3 ft) and the steering rudder could be easily tilted up, out of the water for a getaway as fast, in reverse down a creek, as the way they snuck in.
As for translations, I've seen some flat out ludicrous ones of Valkyries in particular: looked like they were pulled out of a hat. So I translated them myself as literally as I could:
http://wulfanson.blogspot.com/search/label/Valkyries (http://wulfanson.blogspot.com/search/label/Valkyries)
19th Century Romanticism painted the Valkyries into Dilbert Cartoons.
They were not chubby love puppies who rescued the dead from the field as strains of Wagner wafted them through the air to Asgard.
Owning a martial spirit was more than an ideal a Viking aspired to. It was who you were, and many Old Norse names are quite blunt about it.
Want in to Valhalla? Die in battle.
Waiting for illness or old age to kill you sent you to Hel. The term is Ana Sótt. (die of disease)
Valhalla’s actual name is Valhöll: Carrion Hall: where you trained in mortal combat every day, all day, and died again and again: hardening you against death by steel to confront the final death you and your mead bench mates would all suffer at Ragnorök: liberating your progeny from the forces of Hel.
Valhöll was full contact, full death and dismemberment, and near eternal, bootcamp.
Odin’s daughters hovered above the battle choosing the doomed and sending death to them. Odin wanted the best and they were at the front of the fight.
So, with that, here's my stab at translating some of the original Valkyrie names.
Hrist: To Shake: as in Shudder, Shock, an Earthquake: from Hrista: To Shake.
Mist: To Avenge: from the Slavic name Mmsti: To Avenge.
Skeggjöld: Old Beard. The Viking Bearded Ax had an extended cutting tail on it called a beard.
Skjógul: Skjóg: Forest, and Ulfr: Wolf: the Forest Wolf
Hlökk: possible variant of Hrörri: Sword
Herfiotr: Army Fetterer: Hirð: a company of men, usually military, fjoturr: to fetter
Hildi: Battle
Þruð: Might (Þor’s daughter)
Göll: Gollr, the talon or claw of a hawk.
Geirölul: Geirr: Spear, Olla: to cause, as in Valda: Authority
Randgrið: Rand: Shield, Grið: Peace, IE, peace through triumph of shields.
Raðgrið: Counsel (of) Peace IE: Accept Peace, on our terms, or else
Reginleif: Regin: Power of the Gods, Leif: Inheritence or Legacy
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@Freya
Muslims seem to like raping them,anyhow.
Must be the blondes? I don’t know. Every Muslim I know is a brunette
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Must be the blondes? I don’t know. Every Muslim I know is a brunette
@Freya
No,it's the religion/culture. If they rape a Muslim woman wearing the full bag and mask,they can't get in Paradise. Raping a non-Muslim woman that shamelessly goes around showing her elbows and ankles is an activity highly approved by Mohammed. So is enslaving them.
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I've never been to Moscow (never been east of St. Petersburg in Russia) so haven't seen that statue, but I have been to Ukraine and loved that it was the Swedes who not only settled Kiev, but gave the name "Rus" to Russia.
Too bad all the Swedes are wimps nowadays. They should have stopped somewhere between raping and pillaging and being Milquetoasts like they are now. :laugh:
@musiclady
You do know about this guy, right?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigurd_the_Crusader
He took being converted seriously.
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Here's from the Cleasby/Vigfusson dictionary of Icelandic - English, 1874
http://lexicon.ff.cuni.cz/html/oi_cleasbyvigfusson/b0716.html (http://lexicon.ff.cuni.cz/html/oi_cleasbyvigfusson/b0716.html)
VÃK, f., gen. vÃkr, pl. vÃkr, [from vÃkja; Dan. vig], prop. a small creek, inlet, bay; vÃk gékk upp fyrir austan nesit en upp at vÃkinni stóð borg mikil, Eg. 161; þeir námu vÃkr þær er við þá eru kenndar, Landn. 236; à vÃk eina ... hjá vÃk þeirri, 57; sá ek at à hverja vÃk vóru rekin brot af þessu tré, Fms. vii. 163; vÃkr ok fjörðu, Fbr. 14 new Ed.; tveim megin vÃkriunar, Fs. 143; margar vÃkr, 146; róa vik á e-n, to row one round, get the better of another; þætti mér mikit vaxa mÃn virðing, eðr þess höfðingja er á Hrafnkel gæti nökkura vÃk róit, Hrafn. 16 (metaph. from pulling in a race), Þjal. 48. II. freq. in local names, VÃk, VÃkr, Húsa-vÃk, Reykjar-vÃk, etc.: the name of VÃk or VÃkin was specially given to the present Skagerack and Christianiafjrord with the adjacent coasts; à VÃk austr, à VÃkinni, sigla inn, út VÃkina, Fms. passim. The form -wick or -wich in British local names is partly of Norse, partly of Latin origin (vicus); all inland places of course belong to the latter class. COMPDS: vÃkr-barmr, m. a little bay; kómu à einn vÃkrbarm, Krók. 460. vÃkr-hvarf, n. a creek, Grett. 128 new Ed.; spelt vÃkhvarf, Fms. vii. 260. VÃk-marr, m. the bay at Bergen. Fms. vii.
VÃk-dælskr, adj. from the county W., Fms. vii.
vÃking, f. a freebooting voyage, piracy; see vÃkingr. In heathen days it was usual for young men of distinction, before settling down, to make a warlike expedition to foreign parts, this voyage was called 'vÃking,' and was part of a man's education like the grand tour in modern times; hence the saying in the old Saga, -- 'when I was young and on my voyage (vÃking), but now I am old and decrepit;' so a son begs his father to give him a 'langskip,' that he may set out on a 'vÃking,' cp. the scene of the young Egil and his mother Bera, and the reference Fms. i. 69; see B. The custom was common among Teutonic tribes, and is mentioned by Caesar B.G. vi. ch. 23 (latrocinia nullam habent infamiam, quae extra fines cujusque civitatis fiunt, sqq.), only there it is a foray on land; (cp. the mod. American filibustering.)
B. REFERENCES illustrating this word: Leifr fór à hernað à vestr-vÃking, Landn. 32; Ólafr inn hvÃti herjaði à vestr-vÃking ok vann Dyflinni, 108; Geirmundr heljar-skinn var herkonungr, hann herjaði à vestr-vÃking, 121; hann kom út sÃð landnáma-tÃðar, hann hafði verit à vestr-vÃking ok haft ór vestr-vÃking þræla Ãrska, 133; Ãnn varð missáttr við Harald konung inn hárfagra, hann fór þvà ór landi à vestr-vÃking, 140; Ingimundr var vÃkingr mikill ok herjaði à vestr-vÃking jafnan, 174; Ævarr fór til Ãslands ór vÃkingu, ok synir hans, 185; Björn var á sumrum à vestr-vÃking en á vetrum með Öndótti, Eyvindr fór þá à vestr-vÃking, 204; þá var Þorsteinn son ÃsgrÃms à vÃkingu, en Þorgeirr annarr son hans var tÃu vetra, 292; hann var à vÃking á sumrum ok fékk sér fjár, Hkr. i. 171; Hjörleifr konungr féll à vÃkingu, Fas. ii. 35; leggjask à vÃking ok hernað, Fms. xi. 73; fara à vÃking, Eg. 260; GrÃmr, þeir vóru à vestr-vÃking, ok drápu à Suðreyjum Ãsbjörn jarl skerja-blesa, ok tóku þar at herfangi Ólöfu konu hans, GrÃmr fór til Ãslands, Landn. 314; þá er ek var ungr ok à vÃkingu ... en nú hálfu sÃðr at ek em gamall ok örvasi, Glúm. 337; ek vil senda yðr austr til SvÃþjóðar á fund tins bezta vinar mÃns, er nú er kallaðr Hákon gamli, við vórum lengi báðir samt à vÃking, var með okkr inn kærasti félagskapr, ok áttum einn sjóð, Fms. i. 69; en er hann var á unga aldri, lá hann à vÃkingu ok hernaði, Eg. (begin.); Björn var farmaðr mikill, var stundum à vÃking en stundum à kaupferðum, 154; er mér þat nær skapi, sagði hann, at þú fáir mér langskip ok þar lið með, ok fara ek à vÃking (the words of a son to his father), 157: of an expedition in the East (in the Baltic), þeir fóru um sumarit à vÃking à Austrveg, fóru heim at hausti ok höfðu aflat fjár mikils ... skip þat höfðu þeir fengit um sumarit à vÃking, Eg. 170, 171; Björn var nú à vÃkingu at afla sér fjár ok frægðar, Bjarn. 13: the word occurs also on Swed. Runic stones, sá varð dauðr à vestr-vegum à vÃkingu, Baut. 962: þá lögðusk sumir menn út à vÃking ok á herskip, ok mörg endemi tóku menn þá til önnur þau er nú mundi ódæmi þykkja ef menn henti slÃkt, Bs. i. 62 (referring to Iceland of A.D. 1056-1180): one of the last instances on record is Sturl. i. 152, -- hann hafði verit útan nokkura vctr ok verit à vÃkingu, referring to A.D. 1195: in the Orkneys, among the Norsemen, the viking-life lasted till the 13th century, if not longer.
vÃkingligr, adj. like a viking, martial, Ld. 276.
vÃkingr, m. a freebooter, rover, pirate, but in the Icel. Sagas used specially of the bands of Scandinavian warriors, who during the 9th and 10th centuries harried the British Isles and Normandy: the word is peculiarly Norse, for although it occurs in A.S. in the poem Byrnoth (six or seven times), it is there evidently to be regarded as a Norse word; and prob. so too in the poem 'Exodus,' in the words rondas bærun sæwicingas, over saltne mere; lastly, in 'Widsith,' as the name of a people, and Liðvicingas (= Liðungar? q.v.) The word 'vÃkingr' is thought to be derived from vÃk (a bay), from their haunting the bays, creeks, and fjords; -- or it means 'the men from the fjords,' the coincidence that the old Irish called the Norsemen 'Lochlannoch.' and Norway 'Lochlan,' is curious.
B. A few selected references will illustrate the word :-- Naddoddr hét maðr, hann var vÃkingr mikill, Landn. 26; Flóki Vilgerðarson hét maðr, hann var v. mikill, 28; slógusk à Eyjarnar vÃkingar ok herjuðu ok ræntu vÃða, 41; Úlfr vÃkingr ok Ólafr bekkr fóru samskipa til Ãslands, 202; en er þeir lágu til hafs kómu at þeim vÃkingar ok vildu ræna þá, en Gautr laust stafnbúann þeirra við hjálmun-veli, ok lögðu vÃkingar við þat frá, siðan var hann kallaðr Hjálmun-gautr, 223; Hrafn hafnar-lykkill var vÃkingr mikill, hann fór til Ãslands ok nam land ..., 269; Ölvir barna-karl hét maðr ágætr à Noregi, hann var vÃkingr mikill, hann lét eigi henda börn á spjóta-oddum sem þá var vÃkingum tÃtt, þvà var hann barna-karl kallaðr, 308; maðr hét Þorsteinn, gamall maðr ok sjónlÃtill, hann hafði verit rauða-vÃkingr (q.v.) à æsku sinni, Þorst. S.; Þorkell miðlangr, hann er rauðr vÃkingr ok à missætti við Hákon jarl, Fms. xi. 121; her-vÃkingr, a pirate, i. 225 (p. 259); vÃkings efni, vÃkinga höfðingi, konungr, Eg. 190, Fms. vi. 389, Fas. ii. 132; vÃkinga lið, Stj.; vÃkinga skip, skeið, snekkja, Hkr. i. 296, Korm. 236, Fms. i. 289; vÃkinga bæli, Eg. 251; vÃkinga rán, Fms. vi. 291; Bera kvað Egil vera vÃkings-efni ... þegar hann hefði aldr til ok honum væri fengin herskip, Eg. 190 (and the following verse -- þat mælti mÃn móðir, at mér skyldi kaupa fley ok fagrar árar, fara à hring með vÃkingum ...); af Gizori má göra þrjá menn, hann má vera vÃkinga höfðingi ..., þá má hann ok vera konungr ..., með þriðja hætti má hann vera biskup, ok er hann bezt til þess fallinn af þessum þremr, Fms. vi. 389: on Swed. Runic stones, sá var vÃkinga-vörðr með Gauti, Baut. 267; allir vÃkingar, Brocm. 197. Of old poems the Hkv. Hund. well illustrates the life and warfare of Vikings of the 9th and 10th centuries, where also the word itself occurs (verpr vÃgroða um vÃkinga); as also vinr vÃkinga, in the song in Hervar. S.; vÃkingr Dana, Helr. 11; the saying, vÃkingar fara ekki at lögum. 2. in after times the word fell into discredit, and is used, esp. in eccl. legends, as = robber, being applied by a misnomer even to highwaymen, Stj. passim; vÃkingsins Alexandri, Al. 98; Besso þeim vánda vÃkingi, 122; vÃkinga dráp, Grett. 100; þessum vansignaða vÃkingi, Stj. 463 (of Goliath), so in Grág. ii. 136; or even in the Landn., Þorbjörn bitra hét maðr, hann var v. ok Ãllmenni, 159. For the laws of the ancient Vikings, their discipline and manners, see esp. Hálfs S. ch. 10, JómsvÃk. ch. 24 (Fms. xi), Flóam. S. ch. 2, Vd. ch. 2, Yngl. S. ch. 34, 41, Eg. ch. 48, Ó.T. (Hkr.) ch. 101, 102, Ó.H. ch. 21, the Orkn. S. (Sweyn Asleifson) ch. 115, Þorvalds S. VÃðf. ch. 1 (Bs. i. 36, 37): records of their wars and voyages, the Landn. passim, the first chapters of Eg., Eb., Ld., Grett., Orkn., Hkr. i. passim. II. VÃkingr, a pr. name, Landn. and several times on the Swed. Runic stones; cp. Súð-vÃkingr, a man from SúðavÃk, Bs.
vÃkingskapr, m. piracy, Fms. i. 98, Fs. 13.
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@musiclady
You do know about this guy, right?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigurd_the_Crusader
He took being converted seriously.
No, I didn't........ but shame on me for not having heard of him!
(Especially since Edvard Grieg wrote an Orchestral Suite about him!)
Thanks for the info. You are a veritable font of knowledge! 888high58888
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@To-Whose-Benefit? Some very impressive work you've done!
So, for the title "Half of Viking city of Sigtuna were immigrants: study", it's a big, duh - Vikings were traveling Scandinavians, and that they were immigrants is obvious.
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My Swedish great grandparents, came to America in the 186s and 70s.
One side were among the most early in the settlement in Chisago County Minnesota, which were the basis for Vilhelm Moberg's "Emigrants" series of historical novels. From Smaland.
The other side from near Karlstad. Varmlands.
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@Sanguine
Thank you.
Speaking of immigrants, @ B References has @121:
hann kom út sÃð landnáma-tÃðar, hann hafði verit à vestr-vÃking ok haft ór vestr-vÃking þræla Ãrska,
He came out improved (with) landnaming tidings (news of land taken/ownership named), he had been into (the) west-(a) viking and had out of (his) west-viking slaves Irish.
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As for Viking names, here's a pdf of a translation from modern Swedish by a lady who knows a Lot about Vikings.
www.vikinganswerlady.com/FTP_Files/NordisktRunnamnslexicon.zip (http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/FTP_Files/NordisktRunnamnslexicon.zip)
They usually mean something very martial. Not just weird sounding tongue twisters.
When you run across a Viking name, this will help you figure out what it means.
The hero in my fiction is named Jarnulf.
Jarn means iron, and though Viking smiths made steel they never bothered with a separate word for it.
It was all iron to them. And they used the word poetically to describe weapons: swords, axes, spears etc.
Ulf means wolf.
So he's either Ironwolf or Weaponwolf.
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My Swedish great grandparents, came to America in the 186s and 70s.
One side were among the most early in the settlement in Chisago County Minnesota, which were the basis for Vilhelm Moberg's "Emigrants" series of historical novels. From Smaland.
The other side from near Karlstad. Varmlands.
The Emigrants series is great! I lived, and have family still in Minnesota and have been to Stillwater, part of where the series takes place.
My Mom's parents were born in Varmland....... her Dad in Vase (near Karlstad) and her Mom in a tiny little town named Vagsjofors, up north. My great grandparents were born in Lungsund, Varmland.
My Dad's dad came from Pershyttan, and lived in Nora, Orebro and his Mom came from Erikstad, Dalsland, and her parents from Bolstad and Gestad.
My husband and I visited each of those places a couple of years ago, many of which were the same as they were in the late 19th and early 20th centuries when they came here.
It was an eerie experience for me, because, though I had never been there, I felt like I was home.
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Somebody had to pick the lettuce. :shrug:
So, Vikings took slaves? Hooda thunkit?
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So, Vikings took slaves? Hooda thunkit?
@Smokin Joe
Some Vikings raided a town on the seacoast of England or Ireland,can't remember which now,and after sacking it they took the survivors as slaves and sold them in Africa.
That's right,Africans were buying white SLAVES hundreds of years before black slaves were sold in Virginia.
When are white people going to get THEIR reparations for having THEIR ancestors enslaved?
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@Smokin Joe
Some Vikings raided a town on the seacoast of England or Ireland,can't remember which now,and after sacking it they took the survivors as slaves and sold them in Africa.
That's right,Africans were buying white SLAVES hundreds of years before black slaves were sold in Virginia.
When are white people going to get THEIR reparations for having THEIR ancestors enslaved?
Just wait until we start getting white farmers from the ANC's territory. I bet there will be cartwheeling sh*tfits when they try to say they are "African-Americans"... :pop41:
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Just wait until we start getting white farmers from the ANC's territory. I bet there will be cartwheeling sh*tfits when they try to say they are "African-Americans"... :pop41:
Remember, Theresa Kerry was an African-American?
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Old Norse is a highly inflected language, and can sometimes be incomprehensible without the cultural background.
Here's a Viking snub that's fallen by the wayside.
Hann/Hon er nef-vitr mikilsti.
He/She is nose-wise too much.
Longer I think on it the funnier it's gotten.
It meant the person was such an accomplished master at looking down their nose at others they'd become cross-eyed from studying it.
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Old Norse is a highly inflected language, and can sometimes be incomprehensible without the cultural background.
Here's a Viking snub that's fallen by the wayside.
Hann/Hon er nef-vitr mikilsti.
He/She is nose-wise too much.
Longer I think on it the funnier it's gotten.
It meant the person was such an accomplished master at looking down their nose at others they'd become cross-eyed from studying it.
aka "proto - nevertrump language"
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Perhaps the archaeologists need to be reminded what the Norse word "thrall" meant.
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aka "proto - nevertrump language"
It does tend to disturb someone's field of vision, don't it?
888high58888
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aka "proto - nevertrump language"
Way to turn a great thread into a "Trash your fellow Briefer" attack thread, @truth_seeker .
Some people are so obsessed with despising their fellow(?) Conservatives that their brains stop working......
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It does tend to disturb someone's field of vision, don't it?
888high58888
And you too, @To-Whose-Benefit? , sharing in the ridicule??
You added so much to this thread, and now you are helping to drive your fellow Viking loving, and Viking blooded Briefers away with a thread hijack....
Shame on you. **nononono*
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@truth_seeker
@musiclady
Do you understand the legal concept of making nið?
Do you understand the concept of a scorn pole?
If the defenceless NTs need, and Expect, their own Safe Space here as one of them recently admonished me: "It's a public Forum and you can't make me stop posting."
Var Þeir reisa upp niðstang, neinn ver, ok ekki vera ver lata kugask.
Was They (who) raised up scorn pole, not we, and not will we be cowered into submission.
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Let's stay on topic. This has absolutely nothing to do with Donald Trump.
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Let's stay on topic. This has absolutely nothing to do with Donald Trump.
Should I connect the Runes?
@MOD3
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@truth_seeker
@musiclady
Do you understand the legal concept of making nið?
Do you understand the concept of a scorn pole?
If the defenceless NTs need, and Expect, their own Safe Space here as one of them recently admonished me: "It's a public Forum and you can't make me stop posting."
Var Þeir reisa upp niðstang, neinn ver, ok ekki vera ver lata kugask.
Was They (who) raised up scorn pole, not we, and not will we be cowered into submission.
One of the best things about this forum is how (most people) seem to be able to have intelligent conversations about topics on which they agree or have a commonality, even if they violently disagree on other subjects.
Bringing Trump into this thread tore a big fat hole in that concept and for me was a hijack that makes me want nothing more to do with a thread that was fascinating to me.
Is it really that important to you to attack your fellow Briefers on a thread about Viking cities?? Really??
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One of the best things about this forum is how (most people) seem to be able to have intelligent conversations about topics on which they agree or have a commonality, even if they violently disagree on other subjects.
Bringing Trump into this thread tore a big fat hole in that concept and for me was a hijack that makes me want nothing more to do with a thread that was fascinating to me.
Is it really that important to you to attack your fellow Briefers on a thread about Viking cities?? Really??
Is it really important to you (obviously) to play grade school teacher and chide me and @truth_seeker for sharing a joke?
No member was named. No member was personally insulted. And no Forum rules were violated.
And yet, Mods let it go For MONTHS, when We were personally insulted for "bowing down to our - color which shall not be named - God", along with a lot more dehumanizing characterizations.
@MOD3 didn't get involved until Your sensibilities dressed the 2 of us down.
You are more than welcome to whatever opinions you want to hold, but as far as playing by the rules here goes, Apparently Free Speech and Equal Protection don't apply when 2 members who don't trash Trump regularly, trade a laugh.
This is a Political Site and dragging in the Speech Police doesn't do it credit.
But 'I' am being rude to MY 'Fellow Briefers/Conservatives'?
Oh Yeah, this is a Viking Thread so I better post something to do with Viking Society.
Here, have a good look at what centralizing Authority did to the Most Free Society I've ever found chronicled.
Viking Age Iceland, Privatization Run Amok or Libertarian Paradise?
http://wulfanson.blogspot.com/2016/04/viking-age-iceland-privatization-run.html (http://wulfanson.blogspot.com/2016/04/viking-age-iceland-privatization-run.html)
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Is it really important to you (obviously) to play grade school teacher and chide me and @truth_seeker for sharing a joke?
No member was named. No member was personally insulted. And no Forum rules were violated.
And yet, Mods let it go For MONTHS, when We were personally insulted for "bowing down to our - color which shall not be named - God", along with a lot more dehumanizing characterizations.
@MOD3 didn't get involved until Your sensibilities dressed the 2 of us down.
You are more than welcome to whatever opinions you want to hold, but as far as playing by the rules here goes, Apparently Free Speech and Equal Protection don't apply when 2 members who don't trash Trump regularly, trade a laugh.
This is a Political Site and dragging in the Speech Police doesn't do it credit.
But 'I' am being rude to MY 'Fellow Briefers/Conservatives'?
Oh Yeah, this is a Viking Thread so I better post something to do with Viking Society.
Here, have a good look at what centralizing Authority did to the Most Free Society I've ever found chronicled.
Viking Age Iceland, Privatization Run Amok or Libertarian Paradise?
http://wulfanson.blogspot.com/2016/04/viking-age-iceland-privatization-run.html (http://wulfanson.blogspot.com/2016/04/viking-age-iceland-privatization-run.html)
I get it. It's MY fault that truth_seeker hijacked the thread with a slam against Conservatives like me on a thread where it was totally irrelevant. *****rollingeyes*****
I didn't call the Mods (never do), and I have nothing to do with what they do and what they tolerate, so that too is irrelevant, your whining notwithstanding.
I have never once made fun of you for your loyalty to Trump, nor will I..... but I now see how little respect you have for me because I don't share that loyalty, and that's worth finding out.
Nonetheless, I find it disappointing that you feel the way you do, and that your sensitivity about (a Viking snowflake?? Isn't that an oxymoron??) and loyalty to Trump has overpowered our common interest in my Nordic heritage.
Sic semper political forums, eh? You lose friendships over totally stupid stuff, and for some reason you think that's a good thing. :shrug:
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Jobs no self-respecting Swedes would do, I'm sure.....
Seems to me that if male Vikings were 'buried' on set afloat boats/rafts, yeah...the cemeteries would be filled with "immigrants" of that region.
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I get it. It's MY fault that truth_seeker hijacked the thread with a slam against Conservatives like me on a thread where it was totally irrelevant. *****rollingeyes*****
I didn't call the Mods (never do), and I have nothing to do with what they do and what they tolerate, so that too is irrelevant, your whining notwithstanding.
I have never once made fun of you for your loyalty to Trump, nor will I..... but I now see how little respect you have for me because I don't share that loyalty, and that's worth finding out.
Nonetheless, I find it disappointing that you feel the way you do, and that your sensitivity about (a Viking snowflake?? Isn't that an oxymoron??) and loyalty to Trump has overpowered our common interest in my Nordic heritage.
Sic semper political forums, eh? You lose friendships over totally stupid stuff, and for some reason you think that's a good thing. :shrug:
"You are more than welcome to whatever opinions you want to hold"
A Viking Snowflake?
Are you familiar with the terms regi or ergi?
Insults, slanders/nîð were a criminal offence right up there with attacks on your person or property.
And provided you acted AT the 'scene of the action' an airtight defense in Court to kill your slanderer on the spot. If you walked away from it you could still take it up in Court and have your attacker Outlawed for it.
But times have moved on and today we have Free Speech instead.
BTW; I have never personally belittled you for your beliefs either.
Here's an explanation of nîð and scorn poles, since you didn't answer my previous query.
http://lexicon.ff.cuni.cz/html/oi_cleasbyvigfusson/b0455.html (http://lexicon.ff.cuni.cz/html/oi_cleasbyvigfusson/b0455.html)
NÃÃ, n. [Ulf. neiþ = GREEK; A. S. nîð; O. H. G. nid; Germ, neid; Dan.-Swed. nid :-- contumely, Vsp. 56; segja e-m nÃð, Akv. 35. 2. particularly as a law term, a libel, liable to outlawry :-- of a libel in verse, yrkja, kveða nÃð um e-n, Nj. 70; ef maðr kveðr nÃð um mann at lögbergi ok varðar skóggang, Grág. (Kb.) ii. 184: the classical passages in the Sagas are Hkr. O. T. ch. 36, cp. Jómsv. S. ch. 13 (Fms. xi. 42, 43), Kristni S. ch. 4, Nj. ch. 45, Bjarn. 33 (the verse). Another and even graver kind of nÃð was the carving a person's likeness (tré-nÃð) in an obscene position on an upraised post or pole (nÃð-stöng), for an instance of which see Bjarn. 33; ef maðr görir nÃð um annan ok varðar þat fjörbaugs-garð, en þat er nÃð ef maðr skerr trénÃð manni eðr rÃstr eða reisir manni nÃðstöng, Grág. i. 147; when the post was set up, a horse's head was also put up, and a man's head was carved on the pole's end, with dire Runes and imprecations; all this is described in a lively manner in Eg. ch. 60 and Vd. ch. 34, Landn. 4. ch. 4, Rd. ch. 25. The beina-kerlinga-vÃsur of mod. times are no doubt a remnant of the old nÃðstöng; -- certain stone pyramids (varða) along mountain-roads are furnished with sheeps' legs or horses' heads, and are called beina-kerling (bone carline); one of the most noted is on the Kaldadal, as one passes from the north to the south of Iceland, it is even marked in the map; a passing traveller alights and scratches a ditty called beina-kerlinga-vÃsa (often of a scurrilous or even loose kind) on one of the bones, addressing it to the person who may next pass by; for a specimen see Bjarni 193, as also in poems of Jón Þorláksson, for there hardly was a poet who did not indulge in these poetical licences. In popular legends the devil always scratches his writing on a blighted horse's bone.
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I just came back to remove my "Viking snowflake" comment as unnecessary and not particularly kind, but I see that it was grabbed up and responded to with great length.
So, I guess I'm glad I didn't live during the Viking days if pointing out ones sensitivity could result in punishment by death.
Sounds like my Viking ancestors had something in common with today's college students requiring safe spaces to keep them from having their feelings hurt. happy77
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I just came back to remove my "Viking snowflake" comment as unnecessary and not particularly kind, but I see that it was grabbed up and responded to with great length.
So, I guess I'm glad I didn't live during the Viking days if pointing out ones sensitivity could result in punishment by death.
Sounds like my Viking ancestors had something in common with today's college students requiring safe spaces to keep them from having their feelings hurt. happy77
Not so. Since there were no forms of mass communication, internet, newspapers, a person's reputation was real property. It determined how the rest of society received them and interacted with them.
Honor (and reputation) called for the head of a household (usually a farmer) to extend hospitality (food and lodging) for 3 days to travelers. Most would, with whatever means they had, and word got around that Thorstein was a generous and upright man. In return, his esteem around the District rose as people spoke well of him, gave him the benefit of the doubt, and opened doors to him and his householders.
Can't remember which saga it was in, but there was one man who earned himself the name of Halfdan the meal stingy. Needless to say that didn't do much good for him around His neighborhood.
And of course there was a downside to Abusing the hospitality of others.
If bums just traveled around the District mooching bed and board they were castrated as criminal vagrants.
Those who weren't Landed Men/Women made agreements for 1 year at a time to work on the farms of those who owned them. And once every year came the "Moving Days" when they could figuratively sign on for another year, or go sign on to work for another farm owner.
So you can see how being known as the 'Meal Stingy' could cost you money, as no one would want to work your farm for you.
Society was full employment. Didn't agree to work for your keep as a farm owner's 'householder'?
Criminal Vagrancy again. See above.
At the other end of the spectrum came the word regi/ergi (depending on the scribe and edition).
It was the lowest insult one man could call another. It translates as 'unmanly'.
It covered cowardice, effeminate behavior, cross dressing, and homosexuality.
The target was not only legally allowed, but expected, to kill his slanderer on the spot.
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Let me be the one to admit that the Minnesota stupidity of American politics, is not unlike the Swedish political stupidity of inviting uneducated illiterates from 3rd world shitholes, to come rape the womenfolk.
Per capita, of Europe's nations, Sweden has allowed the highest percent of migrants.
It is like broadcasting: "See the Swedish, documented to be the most stupid."
Finally, I get the punchline to my fatherline joke "dumb Swede."
Sort of the competition; If youthink Angela Merkel and the Germans are stupid, let the Swedes really show you stupid.
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What would a Viking thread be without building a Viking ship?
The originals were built by eye, no plans, no patterns, and no saws.
Mallets, wedges, axes, planes and augers. All the lumber was split where the tree was felled, thicknessed with axes, and finished out with block planes.
! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQ3u0jjWCkc&feature=youtu.be#)
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Unfortunately the next series has dropped parts 6 and 7, poof, gone, somewhere.
http://wulfanson.blogspot.com/2016/03/vikings-build-new-oseberg-ship-old.html (http://wulfanson.blogspot.com/2016/03/vikings-build-new-oseberg-ship-old.html)
Parts 1 - 5 though are well worth the time to check out.