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Title: Trump was captured on audio telling Michigan election workers they'd look 'terrible' if they certifi
Post by: kevindavis007 on December 22, 2023, 01:12:34 pm

Former President Donald Trump was captured on audio pressuring election workers in Michigan not to sign papers certifying the election results, The Detroit News reported.

The phone call obtained by the publication, which took place on November 17, 2020, included Trump; the chairwoman of the Republican National Committee, Ronna McDaniel; and two Republican members of the Wayne County Board of Canvassers, Monica Palmer and William Hartmann, the report said.

Wayne County, which includes the city of Detroit, is the largest in Michigan, a swing state Trump lost to Joe Biden in 2020.

Read More: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/trump-was-captured-on-audio-telling-michigan-election-workers-they-d-look-terrible-if-they-certified-the-election-new-report-says/ar-AA1lSurh


Title: Re: Trump was captured on audio telling Michigan election workers they'd look 'terrible' if they cer
Post by: cato potatoe on December 22, 2023, 02:11:27 pm
Michigan was not close, and the left turn happened throughout the state.  This is perhaps the strongest example of Trump seeking to ignore the will of the voters and plunge the country into chaos.
Title: Re: Trump was captured on audio telling Michigan election workers they'd look 'terrible' if they cer
Post by: Bigun on December 22, 2023, 02:26:08 pm
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Trump was captured on audio telling Michigan election workers they'd look 'terrible' if they certified the election

He was right! They do look terrible!
Title: Re: Trump was captured on audio telling Michigan election workers they'd look 'terrible' if they cer
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on December 22, 2023, 04:17:21 pm
He's allowed to do what he did.
Title: Re: Trump was captured on audio telling Michigan election workers they'd look 'terrible' if they cer
Post by: sneakypete on December 22, 2023, 04:27:42 pm
Michigan was not close, and the left turn happened throughout the state.  This is perhaps the strongest example of Trump seeking to ignore the will of the voters and plunge the country into chaos.

@cato potatoe

"These voters",of course being defined as the corrupt Dim party people who rigged the election.
Title: Re: Trump was captured on audio telling Michigan election workers they'd look 'terrible' if they cer
Post by: cato potatoe on December 22, 2023, 04:57:07 pm
"These voters",of course being defined as the corrupt Dim party people who rigged the election.

No, as in registered voters you would like to disenfranchise, and pretend they would go along with it.
Title: Re: Trump was captured on audio telling Michigan election workers they'd look 'terrible' if they cer
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on December 22, 2023, 05:09:14 pm
Looks bad but...
Title: Re: Trump was captured on audio telling Michigan election workers they'd look 'terrible' if they cer
Post by: DefiantMassRINO on December 22, 2023, 05:56:31 pm
What business does a United States President have to be personally lobbying local and state officials to not do their jobs?
Title: Re: Trump was captured on audio telling Michigan election workers they'd look 'terrible' if they cer
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on December 22, 2023, 06:21:58 pm
What business does a United States President have to be personally lobbying local and state officials to not do their jobs?

None, but it's not illegal.
Title: Re: Trump was captured on audio telling Michigan election workers they'd look 'terrible' if they cer
Post by: Timber Rattler on December 22, 2023, 09:10:52 pm
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McDaniel told the pair not to sign the document and said, "We will get you attorneys," the outlet reported.

"We'll take care of that," Trump was quoted as saying.

Only a sucker would take them up on that offer.  And why is McDaniel not in the dock alongside Trump?
Title: Re: Trump was captured on audio telling Michigan election workers they'd look 'terrible' if they cer
Post by: Hoodat on December 22, 2023, 09:52:03 pm
Michigan was not close, and the left turn happened throughout the state.  This is perhaps the strongest example of Trump seeking to ignore the will of the voters and plunge the country into chaos.

(https://cdn.substack.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https://bucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/3a980650-648e-4a47-b7f5-46402740a24b_888x604.png)
Title: Re: Trump was captured on audio telling Michigan election workers they'd look 'terrible' if they cer
Post by: kevindavis007 on December 27, 2023, 12:50:38 pm
What business does a United States President have to be personally lobbying local and state officials to not do their jobs?


Imagine if Biden had done this...
Title: Re: Trump was captured on audio telling Michigan election workers they'd look 'terrible' if they cer
Post by: sneakypete on December 27, 2023, 02:56:56 pm
Detroit is going to  vote left  until the end of time. Union city controlled by union crooks.

I am just guessing,but my  GUESS is that the votes in Detroit and surrounded union counties control who gets the majority  of the vote in Michigan.

With all this experience,they will make "good little comrades" when the global left takes over.
Title: Re: Trump was captured on audio telling Michigan election workers they'd look 'terrible' if they cer
Post by: sneakypete on December 27, 2023, 02:59:10 pm
Michigan was not close, and the left turn happened throughout the state.  This is perhaps the strongest example of Trump seeking to ignore the will of the voters and plunge the country into chaos.

@cato potatoe


Good to see you coming out of the closet and showing your support for Communism in public.

The choices will be between Trump and a Communist,and you  have clearly  made YOUR choice.
Title: Re: Trump was captured on audio telling Michigan election workers they'd look 'terrible' if they cer
Post by: sneakypete on December 27, 2023, 03:02:49 pm
No, as in registered voters you would like to disenfranchise, and pretend they would go along with it.

@cato potatoe

 
Were  you singing "The Internationale" when you wrote that,comrade?
Title: Re: Trump was captured on audio telling Michigan election workers they'd look 'terrible' if they cer
Post by: sneakypete on December 27, 2023, 03:04:25 pm
What business does a United States President have to be personally lobbying local and state officials to not do their jobs?

@DefiantMassRINO

Their jobs are to support globalism/communism?
Title: Re: Trump was captured on audio telling Michigan election workers they'd look 'terrible' if they cer
Post by: sneakypete on December 27, 2023, 03:06:41 pm

Imagine if Biden had done this...

@kevindavis007

Biden didn't have to do this because  his handlers already own the unions.

Not that I actually think HE makes ANY of the decisions on anything other than ice cream flavors.
Title: Re: Trump was captured on audio telling Michigan election workers they'd look 'terrible' if they cer
Post by: sneakypete on December 27, 2023, 03:23:08 pm
No, as in registered voters you would like to disenfranchise, and pretend they would go along with it.

@cato potatoe

Let me see if I understand this,comrade.

It is just peachy-keen for the Communist Globalists to "franchise" a state,but EVIL when some nasty old Republican that believes in individual freedoms to encourage them to change what remains of their minds?
Title: Re: Trump was captured on audio telling Michigan election workers they'd look 'terrible' if they cer
Post by: sneakypete on December 27, 2023, 03:26:39 pm
(https://cdn.substack.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https://bucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/3a980650-648e-4a47-b7f5-46402740a24b_888x604.png)

@Hoodat

"The will of the voters",comrade?

Since when has the Michigan unions,or any other unions supported anything but the will of the union?
Title: Re: Trump was captured on audio telling Michigan election workers they'd look 'terrible' if they cer
Post by: sneakypete on December 27, 2023, 03:28:03 pm

Imagine if Biden had done this...

@kevindavis007

Biden doesn't have to do this. He and his party are already in the "globalist bag",and have  been for decades. That is why this nation is in the mess it is in.
Title: Re: Trump was captured on audio telling Michigan election workers they'd look 'terrible' if they cer
Post by: LMAO on December 27, 2023, 04:15:19 pm

Imagine if Biden had done this...

If Biden or Hillary were to do half the stuff that Trump did after he lost 2020, you can bet the MAGAs would be howling at the moon. And justifiably so

But Trump sure gets a lot of carve outs
Title: Re: Trump was captured on audio telling Michigan election workers they'd look 'terrible' if they cer
Post by: cato potatoe on December 28, 2023, 12:37:18 am
Were  you singing "The Internationale" when you wrote that,comrade?

Yes, democracy is a communist plot.  If only someone had warned the Greeks.
Title: Re: Trump was captured on audio telling Michigan election workers they'd look 'terrible' if they cer
Post by: Bigun on December 28, 2023, 12:59:16 am
Yes, democracy is a communist plot.  If only someone had warned the Greeks.

The USA was never supposed to be a stinking democracy!

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"Communism needs democracy like the human body needs oxygen."

–Leon Trotsky
Title: Re: Trump was captured on audio telling Michigan election workers they'd look 'terrible' if they cer
Post by: Hoodat on December 28, 2023, 12:59:59 am

Imagine if Biden had done this...

Imagine if Biden had done this:

(https://cdn.substack.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https://bucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/3a980650-648e-4a47-b7f5-46402740a24b_888x604.png)

Oh wait, he did do that.
Title: Re: Trump was captured on audio telling Michigan election workers they'd look 'terrible' if they cer
Post by: cato potatoe on December 28, 2023, 03:11:32 am
The USA was never supposed to be a stinking democracy!

It’s a democratic republic, and has been for a long time.  Note the word democratic.  The modern GOP is focused on disenfranchising the left instead of turning out their own voters while appealing to a majority of independents.  They will keep on losing until they are serious.   

As for the graph - the Republicans are not the only ones to notice the delayed urban counties and the clerical error late in the evening.  The tail end only displays the same red mirage that happened all over the country due to mail in votes.  If you have evidence of actual fraud, bring it forth.   
Title: Re: Trump was captured on audio telling Michigan election workers they'd look 'terrible' if they cer
Post by: sneakypete on December 28, 2023, 12:16:04 pm
It’s a democratic republic, and has been for a long time.  Note the word democratic.  The modern GOP is focused on disenfranchising the left instead of turning out their own voters while appealing to a majority of independents.  They will keep on losing until they are serious.   

As for the graph - the Republicans are not the only ones to notice the delayed urban counties and the clerical error late in the evening.  The tail end only displays the same red mirage that happened all over the country due to mail in votes. If you have evidence of actual fraud, bring it forth.

@cato potatoe

Sure thing. He sleeps in the WH when he is not on "vacation".

Biden serving as President should be all the evidence of voter fraud anyone needs.
Title: Re: Trump was captured on audio telling Michigan election workers they'd look 'terrible' if they cer
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on December 28, 2023, 03:37:28 pm
I don't see how this is remotely illegal.
Title: Re: Trump was captured on audio telling Michigan election workers they'd look 'terrible' if they cer
Post by: catfish1957 on December 28, 2023, 03:50:13 pm
I don't see how this is remotely illegal.

You do know about that infamous matress tag cutting incident in 1986 don't you?    :cool:
Title: Re: Trump was captured on audio telling Michigan election workers they'd look 'terrible' if they cer
Post by: cato potatoe on December 28, 2023, 04:29:22 pm
Sure thing. He sleeps in the WH when he is not on "vacation".

Biden serving as President should be all the evidence of voter fraud anyone needs.

I keep hearing/reading that, but Joe Biden was vice president for two terms, and his favorability was okay.  Trump made glaring mistakes in 2020, losing decisively in suburban precincts, and then he screwed around with the vote certification as well as the electoral college.  When are you going to hold him accountable?
Title: Re: Trump was captured on audio telling Michigan election workers they'd look 'terrible' if they cer
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on December 28, 2023, 04:49:04 pm
What business does a United States President have to be personally lobbying local and state officials to not do their jobs?

As I recall, Democrats made efforts to try to convince electors not to vote for Trump in 2016, and that wasn't the first election where that happened.  It might be "wrong" in some sense, but it isn't criminal.
Title: Re: Trump was captured on audio telling Michigan election workers they'd look 'terrible' if they cer
Post by: Hoodat on December 29, 2023, 10:28:02 pm
As I recall, Democrats made efforts to try to convince electors not to vote for Trump in 2016, and that wasn't the first election where that happened.  It might be "wrong" in some sense, but it isn't criminal.

But it's OK when Democrats do it.  This from 2000:



REPUBLICAN ELECTORS UNDER PRESSURE TO SWITCH VOTES

Thousands Contacting Electors through Non-Partisan Web Site


Claremont, Calif. - Using a Web site that lists contact information for 172 presidential electors, thousands of Americans are asking Republican electors to support the winner of the national popular vote. The drive intensified today with the launch of VoteWithAmerica.com, which provides tools that allow visitors to easily e-mail, call, and write to the electors.

Organized by Citizens for True Democracy (CTD), the campaign targets Republican electors that can legally switch their votes. In particular, the site encourages visitors to contact four electors whose public statements indicate that they may be considering voting for Al Gore.

If three electors switch, Gore wins. Two defections would send the election to the House of Representatives.

"VoteWithAmerica.com asks electors to put patriotism above partisanship," said Citizens for True Democracy director David Enrich. "This campaign is sowing the seeds for the abolition of the unfair and anti-democratic Electoral College."

Republican electors have reported receiving thousands of e-mails and dozens of calls each day from visitors to the CTD Web site. Electors have also received letters based on a sample message provided on the site.

VoteWithAmerica.com expands CTD's campaign. With the click of a mouse, voters can ask 54 electors to switch their votes and can place free long-distance phone calls to targeted electors. Users can also call up to 130 electors or download printable address labels and letters.  .  .

https://web.archive.org/web/20091021133042/http://geocities.com/dave_enrich/ctd/vwa-pr.html
Title: Re: Trump was captured on audio telling Michigan election workers they'd look 'terrible' if they cer
Post by: Timber Rattler on December 31, 2023, 12:09:06 am
But it's OK when Democrats do it.  This from 2000:



REPUBLICAN ELECTORS UNDER PRESSURE TO SWITCH VOTES

Thousands Contacting Electors through Non-Partisan Web Site


Claremont, Calif. - Using a Web site that lists contact information for 172 presidential electors, thousands of Americans are asking Republican electors to support the winner of the national popular vote. The drive intensified today with the launch of VoteWithAmerica.com, which provides tools that allow visitors to easily e-mail, call, and write to the electors.

Organized by Citizens for True Democracy (CTD), the campaign targets Republican electors that can legally switch their votes. In particular, the site encourages visitors to contact four electors whose public statements indicate that they may be considering voting for Al Gore.

If three electors switch, Gore wins. Two defections would send the election to the House of Representatives.

"VoteWithAmerica.com asks electors to put patriotism above partisanship," said Citizens for True Democracy director David Enrich. "This campaign is sowing the seeds for the abolition of the unfair and anti-democratic Electoral College."

Republican electors have reported receiving thousands of e-mails and dozens of calls each day from visitors to the CTD Web site. Electors have also received letters based on a sample message provided on the site.

VoteWithAmerica.com expands CTD's campaign. With the click of a mouse, voters can ask 54 electors to switch their votes and can place free long-distance phone calls to targeted electors. Users can also call up to 130 electors or download printable address labels and letters.  .  .

https://web.archive.org/web/20091021133042/http://geocities.com/dave_enrich/ctd/vwa-pr.html


I hate it when these people, no matter in which party, come up with various schemes to mess with the electoral college and/or the electors, especially AFTER elections.  They could care less that overturning votes can easily lead to a wholesale breakdown in the political system and civil war.  We're close to that point right now, and one more run on the electors in January 2025 might just push the country over the edge.
Title: Re: Trump was captured on audio telling Michigan election workers they'd look 'terrible' if they cer
Post by: kevindavis007 on January 03, 2024, 02:05:04 pm
I hate it when these people, no matter in which party, come up with various schemes to mess with the electoral college and/or the electors, especially AFTER elections.  They could care less that overturning votes can easily lead to a wholesale breakdown in the political system and civil war.  We're close to that point right now, and one more run on the electors in January 2025 might just push the country over the edge.


That is my fear.