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There's More on the Florida Principal Who Paddled The Six-Year-Old Girl
By Shipwreckedcrew | May 08, 2021 9:30 AM ET
Last week, I published this story about a Florida elementary school principal who was captured on a cell phone video giving a few forceful “swats” with a paddle across the backside of a six-year-old little girl, while the girl’s mother watched. The video was posted on YouTube, and it was quite disturbing to watch.
I published it under the non-descript headline “$50 or I Beat Your Child”.
I did not mince words with respect to my view on what the videotape showed, and suggested that the principal would be well-advised to retain a criminal defense lawyer.
Well, as Paul Harvey was famous for saying, now it’s time “For The Rest of the Story.”
The prosecuting attorney for Hendry County announced on Friday that the principal will not face any criminal charges for her conduct. Corporal punishment is permissible under the law in Florida, although it is prohibited by the school district where the principal worked.
But the reason the swats across the backside are considered by the prosecutor as having been corporal punishment and not “child abuse” is… because the girl’s mother asked the principal to discipline the child on the mother’s behalf.
Apparently, the girl had broken a computer screen at school, and the principal called the mother to discuss having the mother pay something towards the cost of repair.
The mother told the principal that the little girl had been breaking things at home as well, but when the mother threatened to punish the girl for her actions, the six-year-old would threaten to “DCF” her — a reference to the Florida Department of Children and Families. The mother told the Principal she had not been able to discipline the girl for her misbehavior out of fear she would be turned in to the police, so she asked if the Principal would discipline the girl on her behalf.
The Principal agreed to do so, but only if the mother was present for the event.
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https://redstate.com/shipwreckedcrew/2021/05/08/follow-up-on-the-florida-principal-who-paddled-the-six-year-old-girl-your-mommy-made-me-do-it-n376535
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And WHO is it that teaches a six year old child about DCF?
The corrupt schools.
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Should have swatted the mom on the backside.
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If you have a 6-year-old who is already threatening to "DCF you", then that kid is probably already too far gone to be redeemable, short of some time in "reform school"... ;)
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If you have a 6-year-old who is already threatening to "DCF you", then that kid is probably already too far gone to be redeemable, short of some time in "reform school"... ;)
They started teaching this to kids well over two decades ago, 'my parents beat me', 'my father touches me in my private places', ' my _______ did _______ to me, etc. I knew someone whose kid threatened that many years ago and the father told him go ahead, I hope you enjoy your new family if you are even lucky enough to be placed in a foster home let alone a decent one. Made the kid sit up and rethink his threat.
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The mother told the principal that the little girl had been breaking things at home as well, but when the mother threatened to punish the girl for her actions, the six-year-old would threaten to “DCF” her — a reference to the Florida Department of Children and Families. The mother told the Principal she had not been able to discipline the girl for her misbehavior out of fear she would be turned in to the police, so she asked if the Principal would discipline the girl on her behalf.
The Principal agreed to do so, but only if the mother was present for the event.
If that little girl routinely purposely breaks things,it should be clear to everyone smarter than the typical rock that she is emotionally disturbed,and paddling her is counterproductive. She needs psychological help and counseling,NOT Corporal Punishment.
On top of that it seems clear to ME the mother AND the principal are more disturbed than she is or they wouldn't have done what they did.
The little girl needs counseling. The adults need to have their asses locked up.
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They started teaching this to kids well over two decades ago, 'my parents beat me', 'my father touches me in my private places', ' my _______ did _______ to me, etc. I knew someone whose kid threatened that many years ago and the father told him go ahead, I hope you enjoy your new family if you are even lucky enough to be placed in a foster home let alone a decent one. Made the kid sit up and rethink his threat.
@GtHawk
I live in a rural area that was even more rural 15-20 years ago when the story I am telling happened.
A local farmer and his wife took off to have a "night on the town" in the nearest city,leaving their 16 year old son and his 15 year old sister at home to watch over the place.
They took the wife's Lincoln and told the 16 year old boy,who had recently gotten his drivers license to NOT use his fathers diesel 4x4 pu,but to stay at home with his sister.
Well,the boy took the new PU,and put it in a ditch,resulting in the highway patrol calling his father and mother home to come to the county jail and get him. The "boy" was probably about 6 foot tall and 180 lbs at the time,and feeling froggy,started running his mouth at his father when they got home,and the father punched his ass out.
He damn near went to jail for that,and the judge DID threaten him with jail,if not prison,time if he ever did it again.
Which of course gave the 16 year old the "keys to the kingdom". He did anything he wanted to do after that and anytime either of his parents tried to correct him,he threatened to drop a dime on them to the DA.
I understand the girl started giving them trouble,too. Staying out all night and telling them "You are not the boss of me!" when they tried to lay down the law to her.
It did end up costing that idiot kid more than he had planned,though. His father told him to hit the road when he turned 18. No college funds,no job on the farm,no nothing,but "get the hell off of MY farm!"
Not sure what happened with the girl. I knew who they all were,but didn't really "know them".
I have no doubt the boy ended up hating his father to this very day for "ruining my life".
THIS is the kind of unintentional crap that can happen when the courts "put the children in charge of the parents".
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If that little girl routinely purposely breaks things,it should be clear to everyone smarter than the typical rock that she is emotionally disturbed,and paddling her is counterproductive. She needs psychological help and counseling,NOT Corporal Punishment.
On top of that it seems clear to ME the mother AND the principal are more disturbed than she is or they wouldn't have done what they did.
The little girl needs counseling. The adults need to have their asses locked up.
I dunno @sneakypete
I think corporal punishment to be very useful - It creates a very bright line at where 'Oh Hell No' is.
Nothing makes you think about how you are treating your mother like the words, "You wait till your father gets home..." And the reason that has teeth is because you KNOW what the old man is GOING to do to your sorry ass. That is the only thing that really kept me in line. And in order for that to work the threat has to be real.
But it can be abused, for sure. I always used my hand, and never raised a bruise, not even once.
I stayed away from the belt and the switch because I was witness to that getting carried away among my friends.
But the Old Man has got to be the Old Man, or all is lost, and that child will go wild.
When I received corporal punishment at school, it was nearly always followed by corporal punishment when I got home. But that was meted with justice. I will never forget the times I cried bullcrap to my father - AND HE BELIEVED ME - and went to bat against the principal. Nothing warmed my heart and taught me justice like the old man exercising his power draggin that principal across his desk and poking his finger in his chest. And he made sure I was there to see it happen.
So yeah - I got it hard, and mostly deserved it when it happened. But it also was mostly just. And that is what is being laid down.
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I dunno @sneakypete
I think corporal punishment to be very useful - It creates a very bright line at where 'Oh Hell No' is.
The line between corrective discipline and abuse is usually so wide Ray Charles could see it.
I also see it as something that should only be applied by the parents.
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The line between corrective discipline and abuse is usually so wide Ray Charles could see it.
I also see it as something that should only be applied by the parents.
I don't think that's right @sneakypete
Respect always starts in fear.
Consider how cops were respected when they walked a beat and had the ability to tune you up with a nightstick. I mean, I have a fairly regular stance with relation to cops where rednecks are concerned... But I respect them and will come to their aid if they need it (and have before).
I can tell you what - It would take but a few of those hardass Irish beat cops to turn things around, and I don't care which city...
The same goes with the 'Board of education' . Institutions need teeth to be effective. And kids need to learn early on where the lines are. If they did it would save them a helluva lot of trouble down the road.
Jussayin.
On the whole, I probably agree with you more than it sounds.
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I have old man's privilege as I am older than dirt.
My daughter needed a spanking sometime during grade school.
So she got it. It wasn't anywhere near the degree that my dad gave me.
My son came along 10 years later and he needed it. It took about three
times to make a point. But he did mention before the third one that he
could report me to the school. I said, fine. But you are going to get
your ass spanked now. Tell them that tomorrow if you think that will
be in your long term interest.
The lesson must have taken as I received no calls from the school,
the police nor from some family services type group.
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If that little girl routinely purposely breaks things,it should be clear to everyone smarter than the typical rock that she is emotionally disturbed,and paddling her is counterproductive. She needs psychological help and counseling,NOT Corporal Punishment.
In all the reporting and discussion I have heard about this case,
I have yet to hear anyone make ANY mention of any father.
Does this child have anyone who is functioning as a father for her?
Does anyone even know who this child's father is?
Just the absence of any father, by itself, is plenty enough
to cause all kinds of emotional disturbances.
That's why the left has been waging a war on fathers for several decades.
Their objective is to CAUSE as many children as possible to have emotional disturbances,
which will create more need for the government to offer "help".
The left has been so successful in its propaganda against fatherhood
it never occurs to anyone to even ask the question!
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I dunno @sneakypete
I think corporal punishment to be very useful - It creates a very bright line at where 'Oh Hell No' is.
Nothing makes you think about how you are treating your mother like the words, "You wait till your father gets home..." And the reason that has teeth is because you KNOW what the old man is GOING to do to your sorry ass. That is the only thing that really kept me in line. And in order for that to work the threat has to be real.
But it can be abused, for sure. I always used my hand, and never raised a bruise, not even once.
I stayed away from the belt and the switch because I was witness to that getting carried away among my friends.
But the Old Man has got to be the Old Man, or all is lost, and that child will go wild.
When I received corporal punishment at school, it was nearly always followed by corporal punishment when I got home. But that was meted with justice. I will never forget the times I cried bullcrap to my father - AND HE BELIEVED ME - and went to bat against the principal. Nothing warmed my heart and taught me justice like the old man exercising his power draggin that principal across his desk and poking his finger in his chest. And he made sure I was there to see it happen.
So yeah - I got it hard, and mostly deserved it when it happened. But it also was mostly just. And that is what is being laid down.
:beer: Yeah, and the times I got it were not as many as the times I deserved it. But the line was there, and I still pushed right up to it (and occasionally a little over). Still, boundaries are important, and there was the thin gray line you might get away with (where usually, the act incorporated it's own punishment), and then the 'Oh, Hell No zone' to be avoided. My grandfather nearly defoliated the farm plucking switches (or worse, having us pick our own to be 'switched' with), but we learned, and his hand was stayed by a good sense of what was punishment and what would be excess (he never got carried away, something for which I will ever respect him, because the punishment was often well deserved). And yes, the kids (and even grandkids) knew I'd go to bat for them If they were right and make no bones about it, but I'd better get the whole unvarnished story first. Honesty, even in the face of being wrong, is something I get from them to this day.
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In all the reporting and discussion I have heard about this case,
I have yet to hear anyone make ANY mention of any father.
Does this child have anyone who is functioning as a father for her?
Does anyone even know who this child's father is?
Just the absence of any father, by itself, is plenty enough
to cause all kinds of emotional disturbances.
That's why the left has been waging a war on fathers for several decades.
Their objective is to CAUSE as many children as possible to have emotional disturbances,
which will create more need for the government to offer "help".
The left has been so successful in its propaganda against fatherhood
it never occurs to anyone to even ask the question!
Yep!
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...or worse, having us pick our own to be 'switched' with...
That was the absolute worst. I'd spend twenty minutes practice switching in the air trying reach the minimum point of expected pain but not drop below the dreaded, OH NO, I WILL GET A REAL SWITCH! point.
I would spend so much time thinking about what was coming. It was way, WAY worse than actually getting hit. And sometime, he would lay it down and ask me to come back in 30 minutes.
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That was the absolute worst. I'd spend twenty minutes practice switching in the air trying reach the minimum point of expected pain but not drop below the dreaded, OH NO, I WILL GET A REAL SWITCH! point.
I would spend so much time thinking about what was coming. It was way, WAY worse than actually getting hit. And sometime, he would lay it down and ask me to come back in 30 minutes.
The killer was that if I picked something too limber to have effect, my grandfather would give me a lesson on the right grade of switch and pick one himself... Bless him, and I mean that sincerely, for his patience (and determination), because I had my moments of being a vexing child.
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The killer was that if I picked something too limber to have effect, my grandfather would give me a lesson on the right grade of switch and pick one himself... Bless him, and I mean that sincerely, for his patience (and determination), because I had my moments of being a vexing child.
Dad had me pick the switch. It was a family tradition.
It was about the 8th grade before I understood that these rules were absolute.
Yep, some are slow learners.
I did get one from Mom but Dad gave me at least 50. I have three younger brothers
who also picked out the switch.
It is a hard and persistent job to turn a boy into a man. It's in the top three responsibilities.
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So, y'all are cool with the government usurping parental authority and beating the shit out of those who won't obey?
I mean, I'm seeing a lot of posts by people lauding their incompetent parents for beating the crap out of them because the parents failed to teach the child properly. I never had to beat my children and they're just fine. One graduated with two degrees from UCLA, with a near 4.0 GPA in each, and the other scored 98 out of 99 on the ASVAB prior to enlisting in the Navy.
What did I do wrong, not beating the crap out of my kids?
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So, y'all are cool with the government usurping parental authority and beating the shit out of those who won't obey?
I mean, I'm seeing a lot of posts by people lauding their incompetent parents for beating the crap out of them because the parents failed to teach the child properly. I never had to beat my children and they're just fine. One graduated with two degrees from UCLA, with a near 4.0 GPA in each, and the other scored 98 out of 99 on the ASVAB prior to enlisting in the Navy.
What did I do wrong, not beating the crap out of my kids?
Well ain't you just special...
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Well ain't you just special...
Nope.
Just a real American.
Real Americans don't have to beat their children.
They voted for Trump, too.
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Real Americans don't have to beat their children.
My liberal sister says the same dang thing.
Go figger.
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So, y'all are cool with the government usurping parental authority and beating the shit out of those who won't obey?
I mean, I'm seeing a lot of posts by people lauding their incompetent parents for beating the crap out of them because the parents failed to teach the child properly. I never had to beat my children and they're just fine. One graduated with two degrees from UCLA, with a near 4.0 GPA in each, and the other scored 98 out of 99 on the ASVAB prior to enlisting in the Navy.
What did I do wrong, not beating the crap out of my kids?
All children are unique. Some of them are wild animals, and will only respond to threat of injury. My 3rd grade teacher kept a paddle on his office wall, branded "Ass Buster." He never had to use it, but I saw other teachers smack their students in front of God and everybody. It worked.
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My liberal sister says the same dang thing.
Go figger.
She's a liar.
That's what being a liberal is all about.
I'm an American. I voted for Trump.
People who did not vote for Trump are not Americans.
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So, y'all are cool with the government usurping parental authority and beating the shit out of those who won't obey?
In this case, the mother first gave permission to spank the child.
I mean, I'm seeing a lot of posts by people lauding their incompetent parents for beating the crap out of them because the parents failed to teach the child properly. I never had to beat my children and they're just fine. One graduated with two degrees from UCLA, with a near 4.0 GPA in each, and the other scored 98 out of 99 on the ASVAB prior to enlisting in the Navy.
What did I do wrong, not beating the crap out of my kids?
Your problem appears to be failure to understand the difference between corporal punishment and a beating.
I never hit my kids in anger. Corporal punishment was just one of the many tools in the tool box and not the most commonly or first used.
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Real Americans don't have to beat their children.
My liberal sister says the same dang thing.
She's a liar.
Beautiful, just beautiful
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Beautiful, just beautiful
'nuff said. happy77
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In this case, the mother first gave permission to spank the child.
I don't think that is necessary within the margin, any more than it is for a cop. There has to be teeth. Now, the other side of that is that the school had better damn sure be right about it when it happens, as my father before me, (and I myself) have strenuously pointed out. Dragging a principal over his desk seems to be a family tradition. No userpation of parental authority goes unnoticed.
If my kid had the paddle coming to him, more power to em. But he better have it coming.
Your problem appears to be failure to understand the difference between corporal punishment and a beating.
I never hit my kids in anger. Corporal punishment was just one of the many tools in the tool box and not the most commonly or first used.
Facts.
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So, y'all are cool with the government usurping parental authority and beating the shit out of those who won't obey?
I mean, I'm seeing a lot of posts by people lauding their incompetent parents for beating the crap out of them because the parents failed to teach the child properly. I never had to beat my children and they're just fine. One graduated with two degrees from UCLA, with a near 4.0 GPA in each, and the other scored 98 out of 99 on the ASVAB prior to enlisting in the Navy.
What did I do wrong, not beating the crap out of my kids?
I was schooled by Franciscans and Jesuits in my youth. Corporal punishment was common.
Got paddled by Father Gordian, the Prefect of Discipline...over the loudspeaker for the entire school and staff to hear.
My crime? I worked in the school cafeteria for a free lunch, stacking EMPTY plastic cardboard milk containers from the trays for the trash. So, I ate ten minutes before the student body.
One day, while enjoying my spaghetti with meat sauce (therefore it was Thursday happy77) and a paper airplane landed in my plate.
Without looking up, I simply picked it up and tossed it.
Father Gordian happened to be walking by and saw me. There was no appeal process. Can still recall him telling me to "Bend over and hold your ankles...."
I yelled out "OWW! OWW-OWW!!!" and my ass was on fire for 20 minutes. :silly:
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I was schooled by Franciscans and Jesuits in my youth. Corporal punishment was common.
Got paddled by Father Gordian, the Prefect of Discipline...over the loudspeaker for the entire school and staff to hear.
My crime? I worked in the school cafeteria for a free lunch, stacking EMPTY plastic cardboard milk containers from the trays for the trash. So, I ate ten minutes before the student body.
One day, while enjoying my spaghetti with meat sauce (therefore it was Thursday happy77) and a paper airplane landed in my plate.
Without looking up, I simply picked it up and tossed it.
Father Gordian happened to be walking by and saw me. There was no appeal process. Can still recall him telling me to "Bend over and hold your ankles...."
I yelled out "OWW! OWW-OWW!!!" and my ass was on fire for 20 minutes. :silly:
Nice anecdote... And I too was punished unfairly a time or two... Hardly made up for the times I got away with it...
And I think a bygone era that we are speaking of speaks for itself. Children were far more respectful of parents and institutions in that time... Rightly so, I think.
And that is something this willful and weak generation will never understand.
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In this case, the mother first gave permission to spank the child.
So, you're cool with the government usurping authority.
Was the child presented with an indictment of the crimes alleged against her?
Was her right to legal counsel protected?
Was she give a trial BY HER PEERS?
Who was there to protect the child's rights? Not the parent, obviously. Since that female didn't habla very well, just like the "principal", I'm pretty sure none of the protections the Constitution grants citizens were respected.
It's the parent's job to administer corporal punishment, which should never be applied with a TOOL.
Your problem appears to be failure to understand the difference between corporal punishment and a beating.
Nope. No difficulty in making the distinction at all.
I saw the movie "Funny Farm". Remember the scene where Chevy Chase hooks the other fisherman in the boat and trying to knock him out before pulling the hook? "Looks like you're just beating the shit outta him."
They were just beating the child.
The child could not have damaged the computer equipment if she had been PROPERLY SUPERVISED. The fault lay with the SCHOOL. It was the principal who should have been beaten with the Ugly Stick (fishing reference included).
I never hit my kids in anger. Corporal punishment was just one of the many tools in the tool box and not the most commonly or first used.
I never hit my kids.
I supervised them if they were doing things that carried some risk of harm to themselves or property. It's not complicated.
The State has no business being a parental surrogate. The ONLY correct answer to any government official who asks "Can I beat your children?" is "Let me get my shotgun, we have things to discuss."
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So, you're cool with the government usurping authority.
That is not what happened. Parental permission is all the legal BS you claim below.
Was the child presented with an indictment of the crimes alleged against her?
Was her right to legal counsel protected?
Was she give a trial BY HER PEERS?
Who was there to protect the child's rights? Not the parent, obviously. Since that female didn't habla very well, just like the "principal", I'm pretty sure none of the protections the Constitution grants citizens were respected.
It's the parent's job to administer corporal punishment, which should never be applied with a TOOL.
Nope. No difficulty in making the distinction at all.
I saw the movie "Funny Farm". Remember the scene where Chevy Chase hooks the other fisherman in the boat and trying to knock him out before pulling the hook? "Looks like you're just beating the shit outta him."
They were just beating the child.
The child could not have damaged the computer equipment if she had been PROPERLY SUPERVISED. The fault lay with the SCHOOL. It was the principal who should have been beaten with the Ugly Stick (fishing reference included).
I never hit my kids.
I supervised them if they were doing things that carried some risk of harm to themselves or property. It's not complicated.
The State has no business being a parental surrogate. The ONLY correct answer to any government official who asks "Can I beat your children?" is "Let me get my shotgun, we have things to discuss."
Since you are incable of understanding the difference beating a child and corporal punishment, you made a wise decision for own children.
My family understands the difference.
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That is not what happened. Parental permission is all the legal BS you claim below.
Since you are incable of understanding the difference beating a child and corporal punishment, you made a wise decision for own children.
My family understands the difference.
No.
I understand perfectly that we should not allow our government to change our diapers or beat our kids, because family if family and government is a horrible tentacular and insatiably voracious monster that should never be either fed nor encouraged.
You feel differently.
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No.
I understand perfectly that we should not allow our government to change our diapers or beat our kids, because family if family and government is a horrible tentacular and insatiably voracious monster that should never be either fed nor encouraged.
You feel differently.
There was a time I would of 100% disagreed with your reasoning. I got paddled in school, it was good calls 99% of the time. I deserved and respected the discipline as did my folks. I needed to know the lines of right and wrong. Spare the rod, spoil the child applied to my educators and they for the most part used it when needed.
Now days the messed up minds of liberal educators makes me some what doubt their judgement. In this case, the girl got a few swats that were patty-cake jokes, but she deserved them (and more). Parents in the old days only reinforced good discipline (mine said let them know what I got a paddling for, and often I got a real whooping at home on top of what I got at school). I needed it, I was a strong willed child and wanted to know that line was not to be tip-toed.
I don't care for my kids going to places that doesn't discipline other kids. It makes for ghetto environments that distract from getting an education. I dislike it so much, that we homeschooled out kids k-12 and still do (and a few other kids on top of ours). We have seen the effect of parents letting kids rule the roost, and it is not easy to correct (thus why we are paid good to correct the problems they have allowed, and yes we work with the parents to ensure they know how to raise respectful children at home too).
There was one lesson I learned right fast while a child, you didn't gloat to your mother with something like "that didn't hurt". Years later, I am glad I felt those lashes, they shaped character in a positive direction, just what I needed (and my siblings saw not to do things the hard way like I tried).
But... like I stated at the start... now days we have mindless liberals often at the helm. They are apt to have faulty reasoning guided by PC factors. Will just some kids get discipline? Will the punishments be PC motivated and affect their grades if they reason the kids are from conservative backgrounds? Lots of stuff that helped our decisions to homeschool our kids. I am just a big redneck fellow that was not suited to be an educator, but we found out I did just fine in my sector of educating, I did the mechanical sector, wife did the rest. Our first two kids have good ACT scores and one has a full ride to engineering school, other has partial scholarship and attends local community college with great grades.
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There was a time I would of 100% disagreed with your reasoning. I got paddled in school, it was good calls 99% of the time. I deserved and respected the discipline as did my folks. I needed to know the lines of right and wrong. Spare the rod, spoil the child applied to my educators and they for the most part used it when needed.
Now days the messed up minds of liberal educators makes me some what doubt their judgement. In this case, the girl got a few swats that were patty-cake jokes, but she deserved them (and more). Parents in the old days only reinforced good discipline (mine said let them know what I got a paddling for, and often I got a real whooping at home on top of what I got at school). I needed it, I was a strong willed child and wanted to know that line was not to be tip-toed.
I don't care for my kids going to places that doesn't discipline other kids. It makes for ghetto environments that distract from getting an education. I dislike it so much, that we homeschooled out kids k-12 and still do (and a few other kids on top of ours). We have seen the effect of parents letting kids rule the roost, and it is not easy to correct (thus why we are paid good to correct the problems they have allowed, and yes we work with the parents to ensure they know how to raise respectful children at home too).
There was one lesson I learned right fast while a child, you didn't gloat to your mother with something like "that didn't hurt". Years later, I am glad I felt those lashes, they shaped character in a positive direction, just what I needed (and my siblings saw not to do things the hard way like I tried).
That's right - And you are right that the liberal school system is no longer to be trusted. In my yoot, the federal aspect had not yet taken hold, and things were pretty well run by the PTA. So the standards of the school reflected the standards of the community, rather than the standards of the federal nanny state.
The times I went to bat for my boys was nearly always due to a punishment enforcing nanny state authority... Usually over self defense or the defense of others. My boys were taught not to throw the first punch, but to throw the last one... and likewise were taught to stand up for the downtrodden. My elder son knocked a kid out for b*tch-slapping his (the kid's) girlfriend. He rose to defend a girl. Not a damn thing wrong with that. But it got him an expulsion, whittled down to a three week suspension.
I did drag the principal over his desk for that, which was the difference between the expulsion and suspension. Then it went to the lawyer. He was back in school the following monday and the school paid for my lawyer.
They'll back up if you won't back down.
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There was one lesson I learned right fast while a child, you didn't gloat to your mother with something like "that didn't hurt".
Yep, one and done with that. Her reply was predictable: "wait until your father gets home".
Dad stepped up to that challenge and met it squarely. Quite clear that lesson was. It only took one.
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Yep, one and done with that. Her reply was predictable: "wait until your father gets home".
Dad stepped up to that challenge and met it squarely. Quite clear that lesson was. It only took one.
That one was earthshaking. He noticeably referred to 'my wife' rather than 'your mother'. That puts a wholly different spin on the thing.
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All children are unique. Some of them are wild animals, and will only respond to threat of injury. My 3rd grade teacher kept a paddle on his office wall, branded "Ass Buster." He never had to use it, but I saw other teachers smack their students in front of God and everybody. It worked.
I would say "pain" instead of "injury."
The main point is valid. One size does NOT fit all.
I once read an article by a couple who thought parenting was easy breezy,
until their third child arrived.
Their job suddenly seemed impossible.
Every child is unique.
In terms of "carrot and stick"
lead with the carrot.
If that doesn't work, then use the stick as needed.
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The main point is valid. One size does NOT fit all.
More or less. Though I do not know of any red blooded American boy of my generation who never felt the sting of the Board of Education. At least that is true around here.
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I would say "pain" instead of "injury."
The main point is valid. One size does NOT fit all.
I once read an article by a couple who thought parenting was easy breezy,
until their third child arrived.
Their job suddenly seemed impossible.
Every child is unique.
In terms of "carrot and stick"
lead with the carrot.
If that doesn't work, then use the stick as needed.
Maybe those parents, and everyone else that can't figure out the metaphor, needed to be taught that the carrot is tied to the stick to dangle in front of the mule, and when the carrot no longer works, it's time to take the carrot off the stick and let the mule eat the carrot, then hang another carrot.
So many violent people these days, they can't even understand the simplest things.
My experience with the fascists in my children's school was that when the monster who lived next door to me groped my daughter in the six grade, the principal of that particular zoo tried to punish HER for following her Hapkido training and giving the boy a spinning backhand that knocked him on his ass. They were going to suspend the girl, who was the victim, instead of the perpetrating boy, until I mentioned how profitable a lawsuit would be. Even then, the principal decided that my daughter should be sequestered in the Math For Retards Classes, until we moved her to a different school the next year.
Do not trust fascists, not ever.
Do not ever give fascists any authority, EVER, to conduct any form of non-judicial punishments, not for any reason.
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Maybe those parents, and everyone else that can't figure out the metaphor, needed to be taught that the carrot is tied to the stick to dangle in front of the mule, and when the carrot no longer works, it's time to take the carrot off the stick and let the mule eat the carrot, then hang another carrot.
Of course you will have your own opinions. But making up your own definitions to frequently used terms is silly.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/carrot-and-stick
https://wordhistories.net/2017/07/17/carrot-and-stick-origin/
https://www.indeed.com/career-advice/career-development/carrot-and-stick-motivation
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Of course you will have your own opinions. But making up your own definitions to frequently used terms is silly.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/carrot-and-stick
https://wordhistories.net/2017/07/17/carrot-and-stick-origin/
https://www.indeed.com/career-advice/career-development/carrot-and-stick-motivation
You never saw a picture of "The Carrot And The Stick"?
And Merriam Webster defines "them" as a singular pronoun these days.
Not my fault you don't study American metaphor and just use whatever it is the modern media shoves in your face.
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My experience with the fascists in my children's school was that when the monster who lived next door to me groped my daughter in the six grade, the principal of that particular zoo tried to punish HER for following her Hapkido training and giving the boy a spinning backhand that knocked him on his ass. They were going to suspend the girl, who was the victim, instead of the perpetrating boy, until I mentioned how profitable a lawsuit would be. Even then, the principal decided that my daughter should be sequestered in the Math For Retards Classes, until we moved her to a different school the next year.
Your daughter made appropriate use of the "stick" part of the metaphor.
So did you, by threatening to whack the school with a lawsuit.
The principal must have flunked even the "math for retards" class.
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Your daughter made appropriate use of the "stick" part of the metaphor.
So did you, by threatening to whack the school with a lawsuit.
The principal must have flunked even the "math for retards" class.
Boy are you people confused and obsessed, or what?
She had neither carrot nor stick. She was not attempting to get a Democrat to go anywhere.
She was minding her own business and was assaulted.
The Principal was a Rodent. It's pretty certain, as a person with an education degree, that he was not competent to tie shoelaces and chew gum at the same time, even if someone else was doing the chewing.
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She had neither carrot nor stick. She was not attempting to get a Democrat to go anywhere.
She was minding her own business and was assaulted.
She (rightfully) attempted (and succeeded) at getting the Democrat in Training to stop assaulting her.
Apart from our differing interpretations of "carrot and stick"
I'm glad we all agree that she deserves to be celebrated for her defense of civilization.
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More or less. Though I do not know of any red blooded American boy of my generation who never felt the sting of the Board of Education. At least that is true around here.
One of the worst things to happen to children in America, besides the communist takeover of the education system, was Dr. Spock.
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One of the worst things to happen to children in America, besides the communist takeover of the education system, was Dr. Spock.
AYUP. 888high58888
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One of the worst things to happen to children in America, besides the communist takeover of the education system, was Dr. Spock.
I wouldn't blame Spock, nonsense is always around, but the Media pushed his stuff, and some people lapped it up. **nononono*
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AYUP. 888high58888
@roamer_1
I agree with that to a certain extent,but NOBODY has the right to paddle a 6 year old. Not even the parents,and ESPECIALLY not some school principal.
In FACT,I don't believe anyone but the parents have a right to apply any type of physical punishment to a child. They are CHILDREN,and adults don't need to be so casual about physical punishment.
The PARENTS have a right to do some occasional light spanking with a hand for correctional purposes if that is necessary to teach the child a lesson to get them to stop doing something dangerous,but that's it.
NO FREAKING PADDLE.
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@roamer_1
I agree with that to a certain extent,but NOBODY has the right to paddle a 6 year old. Not even the parents,and ESPECIALLY not some school principal.
In FACT,I don't believe anyone but the parents have a right to apply any type of physical punishment to a child. They are CHILDREN,and adults don't need to be so casual about physical punishment.
The PARENTS have a right to do some occasional light spanking with a hand for correctional purposes if that is necessary to teach the child a lesson to get them to stop doing something dangerous,but that's it.
NO FREAKING PADDLE.
I will flatly disagree @sneakypete , and the proof is in the quality and respect in children today vs yesterday. All them whiny little shits need is a slap upside the head and an occasional ass-whuppin.
And like I said, that paddle was applied to my particular ass in school, and that was the sort of thing that kept me somewhat in line. And almost invariably, when I got home, my old man would have heard about it and I would get sommore from him.
There has to be a line, and that line has to be bright. You want to wander past 'oh hell no' there has to be a consequence.
One of the riots a while back, I think it was the one in Missouri, there was a big black mamma wailin on her kid (no doubt an erstwhile rioter) about the head and shoulders, kickin his ass all the way back to the house. Thing was, she wasn't all that tall, and her kid was late teens and full grown. And he was running ahead of her and still getting thumped.
That's a mamma, right there.
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I will flatly disagree @sneakypete , and the proof is in the quality and respect in children today vs yesterday. All them whiny little shits need is a slap upside the head and an occasional ass-whuppin...
+1
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I will flatly disagree @sneakypete , and the proof is in the quality and respect in children today vs yesterday. All them whiny little shits need is a slap upside the head and an occasional ass-whuppin.
And like I said, that paddle was applied to my particular ass in school, and that was the sort of thing that kept me somewhat in line.
@roamer_1
My high school principal was going to paddle me once,and I told him to go for it if he thought he could get away with it.
For some reason he changed his mind.
BTW,I hadn't really done anything to deserve corporal punishment. Just talked back to a new male teacher that was an bleep,and he needed to be talked back to. SOB wanted to be a bully.
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@roamer_1
My high school principal was going to paddle me once,and I told him to go for it if he thought he could get away with it.
For some reason he changed his mind.
BTW,I hadn't really done anything to deserve corporal punishment. Just talked back to a new male teacher that was an bleep,and he needed to be talked back to. SOB wanted to be a bully.
@sneakypete
I have no problem admitting that abuses exist, having experienced them myself. But taking the teeth out of discipline is the wrong thing to do.
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@sneakypete
I have no problem admitting that abuses exist, having experienced them myself. But taking the teeth out of discipline is the wrong thing to do.
@roamer_1
Discipline is the responsibility of parents,not teachers.
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@roamer_1
Discipline is the responsibility of parents,not teachers.
@sneakypete
No. The school needs teeth of their own. That used to be the paddle Now it's a sheriff's deputy.
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@roamer_1
Discipline is the responsibility of parents,not teachers.
I went through race riots in High School. If no one maintains discipline in the schools, teachers can't do their job. The students who want to learn cannot. Ultimately, that discipline needs to be enforced. There were then, and are now, more than enough parents who are not up to the task.
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@sneakypete
No. The school needs teeth of their own. That used to be the paddle Now it's a sheriff's deputy.
As it should be.
Fascists should never be allowed to paddle children. First comes the paddle, then comes the gas chamber.
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I went through race riots in High School. If no one maintains discipline in the schools, teachers can't do their job. The students who want to learn cannot. Ultimately, that discipline needs to be enforced. There were then, and are now, more than enough parents who are not up to the task.
There's an easy way to maintain discipline in school.
It's called the door.
The nation will never have to import an anti-trump labor force from Mexico so long as we have kids that don't want to learn.
Kick those who want to interrupt class out of school.
Let their parents deal with them.
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As it should be.
Fascists should never be allowed to paddle children. First comes the paddle, then comes the gas chamber.
Quite the other way around. As for the fascists, maybe the Republicans should have stopped the takeover of the school system some time in the last forty years. Then the fascists wouldn't be there... And the PTA and the state would still be ordering things... You know, like they did when there was still spanking in school.
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They started teaching this to kids well over two decades ago, 'my parents beat me', 'my father touches me in my private places', ' my _______ did _______ to me, etc. I knew someone whose kid threatened that many years ago and the father told him go ahead, I hope you enjoy your new family if you are even lucky enough to be placed in a foster home let alone a decent one. Made the kid sit up and rethink his threat.
Up in Buffalo was told saying that would get you dropped off at Fr. Bakers, which was a quasi orphanage. A friend of mine's son threatened to call the police. He called the cops himself and told them to take the kid away. Cop told the kid that if got called back there again he would personally spank the kid. I miss the good old days.
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Quite the other way around. As for the fascists, maybe the Republicans should have stopped the takeover of the school system some time in the last forty years. Then the fascists wouldn't be there... And the PTA and the state would still be ordering things... You know, like they did when there was still spanking in school.
Some how, with Some people, the Very Special kinds of people, no matter how intentionally malicious the treasonous Rodents are towards children, towards other people, towards the innocent, towards their own slaves, towards Americans, some how, for Some Reason, certain really Strange yet Very Special People can't find it within themselves, in the Strangely Hidden place where they worship Marx, they can't bring themselves to admit that the cause of all the Evillllllllllllllllllll in the United States are those Rodents they never ever speak any ill about or ever challenge them on any of their positions.
The normal Americans know to blame the Rodents.
The Special People blame the victims.
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Some how, with Some people, the Very Special kinds of people, no matter how intentionally malicious the treasonous Rodents are towards children, towards other people, towards the innocent, towards their own slaves, towards Americans, some how, for Some Reason, certain really Strange yet Very Special People can't find it within themselves, in the Strangely Hidden place where they worship Marx, they can't bring themselves to admit that the cause of all the Evillllllllllllllllllll in the United States are those Rodents they never ever speak any ill about or ever challenge them on any of their positions.
The normal Americans know to blame the Rodents.
The Special People blame the victims.
ROTFLMAO!!! Yeah you"re victims alright. Actual Americans - You know, the kind that are individual and liberty minded ain't suited for victimhood... which is why I am Republican no more (spit). Y'all SAY you oppose Democrats, but as long history attests, you never really do.
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There's an easy way to maintain discipline in school.
It's called the door.
The nation will never have to import an anti-trump labor force from Mexico so long as we have kids that don't want to learn.
Kick those who want to interrupt class out of school.
Let their parents deal with them.
It appears to me that your understanding of the demographic involved is superficial at best.
All but two doors to the school (1200 students) were chained and locked shut. Illegal as Hell.
Aside from the FBI arresting a student for his 'work' with H Rap Brown, Stokeley Carmichael, and Eldridge Cleaver, and a couple of local PD arrests (well, done by State Troopers patrolling the halls of the High School with K-9s), removing half the student body would have spread the 'problem' we were having in school to the community at large and generated a real issue that would have spread farther and faster amid claims of racism. What you see now is just the redux of then, with another 50 years of preparatory bombardment by the Marxists and Race-baiters.
In the proximity to Washington D.C. ~25 miles), this would have been very messy, very quick. Besides, the school board was in denial over the whole thing, because the schools had been 'integrated' just a few years before and the other High Schools in the county were not having similar problems (mainly because school district gerrymandering ensured the children of TPTB were going to schools elsewhere in the county with a different demographic distribution, and admitting a problem in just one school would have exposed the self-interests, corruption, and possible racism of members of the school board).
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ROTFLMAO!!! Yeah you"re victims alright. Actual Americans - You know, the kind that are individual and liberty minded ain't suited for victimhood... which is why I am Republican no more (spit). Y'all SAY you oppose Democrats, but as long history attests, you never really do.
It is stupid comments like you responded to that will keep morons like SD forever on my ignore list. Ya gotta love liberals pretending to be Pubbies.
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It is stupid comments like you responded to that will keep morons like SD forever on my ignore list. Ya gotta love liberals pretending to be Pubbies.
:seeya:
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It is stupid comments like you responded to that will keep morons like SD forever on my ignore list. Ya gotta love liberals pretending to be Pubbies.
You would learn more if you inverted your ignore list. Read every post and study them.
Sled Dog is a great asset to this forum.
He says what he thinks and backs that up.
@Slide Rule
I can see myself saying the same things as Sled Dog though
not as well.
If you disagree, add me to your ignore list.
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You would learn more if you inverted your ignore list. Read every post and study them.
Sled Dog is a great asset to this forum.
He says what he thinks and backs that up.
@Slide Rule
I can see myself saying the same things as Sled Dog though
not as well.
If you disagree, add me to your ignore list.
@Slide Rule While I don't agree with everything you say, you post are intelligent and generally insightful. After reading other people's responses to SD the only mistake I made was not putting him on ignore earlier.
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It appears to me that your understanding of the demographic involved is superficial at best.
All but two doors to the school (1200 students) were chained and locked shut. Illegal as Hell.
Judge ye not a person by the color of his skin, rather judge him on how stupid he wants to be.
That goes for children as well as giant babies with fully grown physical bodies.
Martin Luther King Jr was a smart guy. Too bad all the (b)lacks hate him and want their children to die in poverty and servitude.
Education ain't a right, pal. It's a privilege, and if parents are so stupid they don't want to discipline their own children to respect others, and thus remain where he can access the privilege of public education, then there's no reason for their spawn to remain in school where they will persist in disrupting other children attempting to exercise their privileged opportunity to learn.
And if the parent refuses to discipline their spawn, that's the end of that, unless the spawn has committed a crime that can be prosecuted as such by the proper authorities. None of whom are ignorant fat idiot school principals. The job of the school principal is to make sure the children wishing to exercise their privilege to learn is respected and not interfered with. Thus the principal has the authority, now never exercised, to expel dis-interested interfering students and turn the child over to the parent, who then has to babysit the child.
The schools are not supposed to be baby sitters.
The schools are not supposed to be indoctrination centers.
The school principal is not a Commandant, able to exercise violence upon his charges at whim.
The child in this case should have been sent home under the care of the parent-beasty with instructions that the suspension could easily turn into a permanent expulsion if the child is not properly regulated at home. Then the parent, assuming it isn't a welfare parasite, has to stay home from work or whatever, none of which is the school's problem.
But, in general, if a spawn does not want to learn at school, learn it shall. It shall learn to regret that it didn't get an education then, and now it's picking strawberries or spending it's life in prison.
Their body, their choice.
Aside from the FBI arresting a student for his 'work' with H Rap Brown, Stokeley Carmichael, and Eldridge Cleaver, and a couple of local PD arrests (well, done by State Troopers patrolling the halls of the High School with K-9s), removing half the student body would have spread the 'problem' we were having in school to the community at large and generated a real issue that would have spread farther and faster amid claims of racism. What you see now is just the redux of then, with another 50 years of preparatory bombardment by the Marxists and Race-baiters.
Think of it as societal evolution.
Think "LaMarck".
So we waste a large percentage of this crop of spawn. Some will end up in prison, some will end up in the morgue, some will end up in the gutter, some will get menial jobs and attempt to get the education their earlier stupidity denied them. They will all be the examples for the next crop of spawn. The next crop of spawn will learn better and fewer of them will become "problem children".
Same thing works for drug abuse. Make all drugs all legal, with no criminal penalties for use and possession, but require the sale thereof to come with a business license and the requirement to not sell to underage buyers. Crack down on underage sales with death and dismemberment. Enough morons will waste their useless lives to serve as a lesson to the next generation of spawn to reduce the problem to treatable levels. Sales taxes collected on drug sales can go to this. Or not. Who really cares if an addict lives, anyway?
This is all about the cost we have to pay today because our parents were useless interfering phoques (that's a "seal" in French...pronounced somewhat differently than it's spelling indicates...) who wanted to mind everyone's business but didn't realize it wasn't their business to do so.
The world needs more real libertarians.
In the proximity to Washington D.C. ~25 miles), this would have been very messy, very quick. Besides, the school board was in denial over the whole thing, because the schools had been 'integrated' just a few years before and the other High Schools in the county were not having similar problems (mainly because school district gerrymandering ensured the children of TPTB were going to schools elsewhere in the county with a different demographic distribution, and admitting a problem in just one school would have exposed the self-interests, corruption, and possible racism of members of the school board).
Laissez Faire, Laissez Faire.
I don't care if the animals run riot in DC. It's not a state, is it?
Remember, the United States has never had to import uneducated people to do the menial work. We have plenty of people available to do the work, once we end the unconstitutional abomination known as "welfare". Work or starve. Their body, their choice.
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@Slide Rule While I don't agree with everything you say, you post are intelligent and generally insightful. After reading other people's responses to SD the only mistake I made was not putting him on ignore earlier.
I'm certainly not one to force a good education on anyone who doesn't want one.
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Judge ye not a person by the color of his skin, rather judge him on how stupid he wants to be.
That goes for children as well as giant babies with fully grown physical bodies.
Martin Luther King Jr was a smart guy. Too bad all the (b)lacks hate him and want their children to die in poverty and servitude.
Education ain't a right, pal. It's a privilege, and if parents are so stupid they don't want to discipline their own children to respect others, and thus remain where he can access the privilege of public education, then there's no reason for their spawn to remain in school where they will persist in disrupting other children attempting to exercise their privileged opportunity to learn.
And if the parent refuses to discipline their spawn, that's the end of that, unless the spawn has committed a crime that can be prosecuted as such by the proper authorities. None of whom are ignorant fat idiot school principals. The job of the school principal is to make sure the children wishing to exercise their privilege to learn is respected and not interfered with. Thus the principal has the authority, now never exercised, to expel dis-interested interfering students and turn the child over to the parent, who then has to babysit the child.
The schools are not supposed to be baby sitters.
The schools are not supposed to be indoctrination centers.
The school principal is not a Commandant, able to exercise violence upon his charges at whim.
The child in this case should have been sent home under the care of the parent-beasty with instructions that the suspension could easily turn into a permanent expulsion if the child is not properly regulated at home. Then the parent, assuming it isn't a welfare parasite, has to stay home from work or whatever, none of which is the school's problem.
But, in general, if a spawn does not want to learn at school, learn it shall. It shall learn to regret that it didn't get an education then, and now it's picking strawberries or spending it's life in prison.
Their body, their choice.
Think of it as societal evolution.
Think "LaMarck".
So we waste a large percentage of this crop of spawn. Some will end up in prison, some will end up in the morgue, some will end up in the gutter, some will get menial jobs and attempt to get the education their earlier stupidity denied them. They will all be the examples for the next crop of spawn. The next crop of spawn will learn better and fewer of them will become "problem children".
Same thing works for drug abuse. Make all drugs all legal, with no criminal penalties for use and possession, but require the sale thereof to come with a business license and the requirement to not sell to underage buyers. Crack down on underage sales with death and dismemberment. Enough morons will waste their useless lives to serve as a lesson to the next generation of spawn to reduce the problem to treatable levels. Sales taxes collected on drug sales can go to this. Or not. Who really cares if an addict lives, anyway?
This is all about the cost we have to pay today because our parents were useless interfering phoques (that's a "seal" in French...pronounced somewhat differently than it's spelling indicates...) who wanted to mind everyone's business but didn't realize it wasn't their business to do so.
The world needs more real libertarians.
Laissez Faire, Laissez Faire.
I don't care if the animals run riot in DC. It's not a state, is it?
Remember, the United States has never had to import uneducated people to do the menial work. We have plenty of people available to do the work, once we end the unconstitutional abomination known as "welfare". Work or starve. Their body, their choice.
@Sled Dog
Want to stop this crap I highlighted in bold?
Pass federal and state laws REQUIRING the parent/parents,or guardians to be PERSONALLY responsible for the actions of their spawn,or the spawn they are paid to care for.
What this means is that after the 2nd or 3rd expulsion from school for missing classes or bad behavior,the "Baby Mama/Baby Daddy lose their "free publik housing". They also lose the checks to care for the children the state has been sending them because the state itself is now responsible for their care and upbringing.
The sudden attention given to the chil-runs by their caretakes would be so sudden and intense it would scare you.
Ain't NOTHING will get the attention of the "free monies" crowd than a sincere threat to take away their "free money" and make them get jobs and earn it,just like the rest of us.
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@Sled Dog
Want to stop this crap I highlighted in bold?
Pass federal and state laws REQUIRING the parent/parents,or guardians to be PERSONALLY responsible for the actions of their spawn,or the spawn they are paid to care for.
What this means is that after the 2nd or 3rd expulsion from school for missing classes or bad behavior,the "Baby Mama/Baby Daddy lose their "free publik housing". They also lose the checks to care for the children the state has been sending them because the state itself is now responsible for their care and upbringing.
The sudden attention given to the chil-runs by their caretakes would be so sudden and intense it would scare you.
Ain't NOTHING will get the attention of the "free monies" crowd than a sincere threat to take away their "free money" and make them get jobs and earn it,just like the rest of us.
No.
All that means is that the Bad Seed has been given YET ANOTHER tool by the fascist state to punish parents and generate income revenue.
So it won't be just the brat being told by the teachers and other fascists that the brat can control the parent by going to Child Welfare or whatever, now it will be the teachers saying "hey, here's how you can drag more money out of your dad..."
Won't work. Really won't do much to curb the NWA's from acting out.
Nope.
Just do what the so-called parent does with the Bad Seeds and let them spoil where they land.
Besides, I see no reason in attempting to stop uncivilized behavior from creatures raised by uncivilized parents. Civilization is a learned process and it exists solely to protect the citizen from the barbarian. If there are barbarians among us who refuse to be civilized, take away the benefits they derive from their civilized betters, and, when they act out, put them in Minneapolis or New York, only Snake Bliscom managed to escape from New York, or some other large prison, with only other animals for company. They can prey on each other, no loss to civilization.
I object to babies being murdered. I've no problem with animals being animals towards each other.
Separate them, they are not equal.
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Judge ye not a person by the color of his skin, rather judge him on how stupid he wants to be.
That goes for children as well as giant babies with fully grown physical bodies.
Martin Luther King Jr was a smart guy. Too bad all the (b)lacks hate him and want their children to die in poverty and servitude.
Education ain't a right, pal. It's a privilege, and if parents are so stupid they don't want to discipline their own children to respect others, and thus remain where he can access the privilege of public education, then there's no reason for their spawn to remain in school where they will persist in disrupting other children attempting to exercise their privileged opportunity to learn.
And if the parent refuses to discipline their spawn, that's the end of that, unless the spawn has committed a crime that can be prosecuted as such by the proper authorities. None of whom are ignorant fat idiot school principals. The job of the school principal is to make sure the children wishing to exercise their privilege to learn is respected and not interfered with. Thus the principal has the authority, now never exercised, to expel dis-interested interfering students and turn the child over to the parent, who then has to babysit the child.
The schools are not supposed to be baby sitters.
The schools are not supposed to be indoctrination centers.
The school principal is not a Commandant, able to exercise violence upon his charges at whim.
The child in this case should have been sent home under the care of the parent-beasty with instructions that the suspension could easily turn into a permanent expulsion if the child is not properly regulated at home. Then the parent, assuming it isn't a welfare parasite, has to stay home from work or whatever, none of which is the school's problem.
But, in general, if a spawn does not want to learn at school, learn it shall. It shall learn to regret that it didn't get an education then, and now it's picking strawberries or spending it's life in prison.
Their body, their choice.
Think of it as societal evolution.
Think "LaMarck".
So we waste a large percentage of this crop of spawn. Some will end up in prison, some will end up in the morgue, some will end up in the gutter, some will get menial jobs and attempt to get the education their earlier stupidity denied them. They will all be the examples for the next crop of spawn. The next crop of spawn will learn better and fewer of them will become "problem children".
Same thing works for drug abuse. Make all drugs all legal, with no criminal penalties for use and possession, but require the sale thereof to come with a business license and the requirement to not sell to underage buyers. Crack down on underage sales with death and dismemberment. Enough morons will waste their useless lives to serve as a lesson to the next generation of spawn to reduce the problem to treatable levels. Sales taxes collected on drug sales can go to this. Or not. Who really cares if an addict lives, anyway?
This is all about the cost we have to pay today because our parents were useless interfering phoques (that's a "seal" in French...pronounced somewhat differently than it's spelling indicates...) who wanted to mind everyone's business but didn't realize it wasn't their business to do so.
The world needs more real libertarians.
Laissez Faire, Laissez Faire.
I don't care if the animals run riot in DC. It's not a state, is it?
Remember, the United States has never had to import uneducated people to do the menial work. We have plenty of people available to do the work, once we end the unconstitutional abomination known as "welfare". Work or starve. Their body, their choice.
Lovely solution, but you are too effing late. The current crop in the streets are their grandchildren or great grandchildren.
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Lovely solution, but you are too effing late. The current crop in the streets are their grandchildren or great grandchildren.
It's never to late to start obeying the Constitution and to start doing things the right way.
Too bad for the fools spending their lifetimes voting Rodent and being so confused about why things are always getting worse.
But it's time for a change. It can never be past time for a change once time for a change is upon us, because the need for a change is like an urgent bowel movement. It doesn't stop wanting to come just because it's later.
And if the Rodents aren't the biggest bowel movement ever, what is?
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It's never to late to start obeying the Constitution and to start doing things the right way.
Too bad for the fools spending their lifetimes voting Rodent and being so confused about why things are always getting worse.
But it's time for a change. It can never be past time for a change once time for a change is upon us, because the need for a change is like an urgent bowel movement. It doesn't stop wanting to come just because it's later.
And if the Rodents aren't the biggest bowel movement ever, what is?
I think surgical intervention is indicated. The bowel you speak of has become impacted after over a half century of stasis.
There is no way the cessation of welfare will not be met with blood in the streets, even if it is a major factor in the current problems.
But let's say you send little Rakisha home to mommy (cause daddy ain't in that picture), and cut mommy off from her "paycheck" as so many call it.
Who is going to repo the Escalade? It's a bad hood.
Instead of cutting them all off, make it conditional on keeping a clean criminal record (all members of the household).
How about some expectations? (Yeah, it'll be called "racist".) Especially now when the Communists are pushing for a "guaranteed basic income" (welfare for all), which we know will be diverted from a demographic based on fabricated "crimes" of being racist or hate crimes for not letting the guy who thinks he is a girl pee next to your 5 year old daughter.
Whatever is done needs to be done soon (it's already 50 years late), needs to make a significant change, but that has to happen on a wide social level as well. It's hard to see a way to save the proverbial village without burning it down. Either option ends up with draconian results.
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Whatever is done needs to be done soon (it's already 50 years late), needs to make a significant change, but that has to happen on a wide social level as well. It's hard to see a way to save the proverbial village without burning it down. Either option ends up with draconian results.
Oh its happening alright - Home schooling leaped to 11% nationally over covid, and our Christian school is beefing up networking to provide more services for the home-schooled community, not to mention expanding its own full time role. If that 11% grows, or a significant portion do not return to public school, that is a devastating hit to one of the entrenched avenues the liberals own..
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I think surgical intervention is indicated. The bowel you speak of has become impacted after over a half century of stasis.
There is no way the cessation of welfare will not be met with blood in the streets, even if it is a major factor in the current problems.
But let's say you send little Rakisha home to mommy (cause daddy ain't in that picture), and cut mommy off from her "paycheck" as so many call it.
Who is going to repo the Escalade? It's a bad hood.
Instead of cutting them all off, make it conditional on keeping a clean criminal record (all members of the household).
How about some expectations? (Yeah, it'll be called "racist".) Especially now when the Communists are pushing for a "guaranteed basic income" (welfare for all), which we know will be diverted from a demographic based on fabricated "crimes" of being racist or hate crimes for not letting the guy who thinks he is a girl pee next to your 5 year old daughter.
Whatever is done needs to be done soon (it's already 50 years late), needs to make a significant change, but that has to happen on a wide social level as well. It's hard to see a way to save the proverbial village without burning it down. Either option ends up with draconian results.
To use words in basic English, you are saying we have to continue paying the extortionist his blackmail, or else.
Time for the "else" to happen.
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Oh its happening alright - Home schooling leaped to 11% nationally over covid, and our Christian school is beefing up networking to provide more services for the home-schooled community, not to mention expanding its own full time role. If that 11% grows, or a significant portion do not return to public school, that is a devastating hit to one of the entrenched avenues the liberals own..
Taxes levied to support public education should be reduced by the fraction of students not attending the public Hitler Youth Facilities....or, Obama Youth, rather.
Or the parents homeschooling their children should receive the per capita value the state expends per pupil on the public OYFs since those students homeschooled are not being accounted for at the OYF. Either way, the "Teacher" goonion is not providing services to the state to warrant their receipt of those excess funds.
So, taxes should be cut commensurate with the public's avoidance of the OYFs, or the funding allocated to students not at the OYF should be re-directed to those educating said student and the OYF funding should be cut by that amount.
This is basic freshman level accounting and terrifyingly simple anti-Rodent level politics. If they don't earn the money, they shouldn't get the money.
The arguments against home schooling have always been based on the money the schools waste and the control the Rodents lose over those young minds.
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Taxes levied to support public education should be reduced by the fraction of students not attending the public Hitler Youth Facilities....or, Obama Youth, rather.
Or the parents homeschooling their children should receive the per capita value the state expends per pupil on the public OYFs since those students homeschooled are not being accounted for at the OYF. Either way, the "Teacher" goonion is not providing services to the state to warrant their receipt of those excess funds.
So, taxes should be cut commensurate with the public's avoidance of the OYFs, or the funding allocated to students not at the OYF should be re-directed to those educating said student and the OYF funding should be cut by that amount.
This is basic freshman level accounting and terrifyingly simple anti-Rodent level politics. If they don't earn the money, they shouldn't get the money.
The arguments against home schooling have always been based on the money the schools waste and the control the Rodents lose over those young minds.
That's right. It's been a while since I had a kid in school, but at the time, the levy and matching fed and etc figured out to $10k per kid... When Christian/Private school was $3500 per kid. Off the get-go, I am still paying taxes on the public school, even though my kids went to Christian...
AND, when I could no longer afford to keep them in Christian, them kids loafed for 2 YEARS before the public curriculum caught up to where they were when they left the Christian school (That Christian education was that much better)
So yeah - Eventually, that kid staying home-school will be counted against that levy and taken off the roles, but that ain't for years. With you 100% on that. Figure that levy and matching fed and all per annum. or even quarterly, and watch the competition start to turn things around.
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26 years teaching high school here. I am 100% in favor of homeschooling, Parochial schools, private schools, charter school, etc... If your child attends one of these "alternative" educational systems your taxes should be deferred in proportion to the tuition or the state/ county should be required to pay a percentage of the cost of that education. But and here is the big proviso: Public schools should be given the exact same latitude as those schools. Not a single one of these schools is required by law to provide educational opportunities to EVERY SINGLE CHILD that walks through the front door. We are required to provide those opportunities. If a child's behavior is so severe that it requires expulsion we have to send them to an Alternative educational system at public expense. This could be jail, Juvenile detention, or home tutoring. I want public school to be able to kick little Jimmy or Susie to the curb for telling a teacher or staff member to Eff off, bullying a special Ed student, vandalizing school property, etc...... I have lost count of the students that were "homeschooled" and then enrolled in my school because liberal mommy or daddy couldn't handle their behavior, kicked out of one of the Catholic school for stealing an exam and then doing the EXACT same thing at a school I worked at the very next year. I can tell you about the young minority student kicked out of a "Christian" school for selling drugs. He lasted 3 days at the school I worked at. You see the "Christian" school would not allow the police on the property to make arrests, but as a public school we did. I can tell you about a friend of mine working at an inner city school. He tried to stop a 98 lb minority girl student from being beat up by her 200 lb boyfriend. SHE then turned around and kicked my friend in the groin. He lost a testicle and was off work for 8 weeks. She got 3 nights detention. For those of you that believe you can do better; Come on in the water is warm, I would love for you to show me how I can help your children do better.
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26 years teaching high school here. I am 100% in favor of homeschooling, Parochial schools, private schools, charter school, etc... If your child attends one of these "alternative" educational systems your taxes should be deferred in proportion to the tuition or the state/ county should be required to pay a percentage of the cost of that education. But and here is the big proviso: Public schools should be given the exact same latitude as those schools. Not a single one of these schools is required by law to provide educational opportunities to EVERY SINGLE CHILD that walks through the front door. We are required to provide those opportunities. If a child's behavior is so severe that it requires expulsion we have to send them to an Alternative educational system at public expense. This could be jail, Juvenile detention, or home tutoring. I want public school to be able to kick little Jimmy or Susie to the curb for telling a teacher or staff member to Eff off, bullying a special Ed student, vandalizing school property, etc...... I have lost count of the students that were "homeschooled" and then enrolled in my school because liberal mommy or daddy couldn't handle their behavior, kicked out of one of the Catholic school for stealing an exam and then doing the EXACT same thing at a school I worked at the very next year. I can tell you about the young minority student kicked out of a "Christian" school for selling drugs. He lasted 3 days at the school I worked at. You see the "Christian" school would not allow the police on the property to make arrests, but as a public school we did. I can tell you about a friend of mine working at an inner city school. He tried to stop a 98 lb minority girl student from being beat up by her 200 lb boyfriend. SHE then turned around and kicked my friend in the groin. He lost a testicle and was off work for 8 weeks. She got 3 nights detention. For those of you that believe you can do better; Come on in the water is warm, I would love for you to show me how I can help your children do better.
I fully agree that some animals are not trainable.
I support totally closed borders so the animals can work on the farms.
I also support the idea that violent ten year-olds should be tried as adults if they commit crimes like adults, and be given adult sized criminal penalties, too.
As Heinlein said, coddling is not how puppies are turned into good dogs.
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For those of you that believe you can do better; Come on in the water is warm, I would love for you to show me how I can help your children do better.
I feel for you @verga , I do. Because it ain't my kids that will give you any grief. Oh sure, my boys kicked their heels up a bit... But if they get too far out of line, I would expect, especially out of the shop teacher, for you to give him a slap upside his fool head (to get his attention), tell him his fault, show him the guardrails, and remind hm that you know me (because if you were my boys' shop teacher, you would know me). I declare, and I guarantee, that child will be on the straight and narrow again.
And there are tales from the other side too - One of my boys got threatened with expulsion for defending himself, and the other for defending a girl. That ain't right. Damn straight when something like that happens I am gonna go down there and read to them knuckleheaded administrators from the good book - And a slap upside THEIR heads ain't out of the question. Lord knows they need it.
Were I to do it again, especially since the advent of the modern homesteading community, where raising your own is the whole point, had I the resources to hand that they do now, I am sure I would have homeschooled, even over Christian education.
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I feel for you @verga , I do. Because it ain't my kids that will give you any grief. Oh sure, my boys kicked their heels up a bit... But if they get too far out of line, I would expect, especially out of the shop teacher, for you to give him a slap upside his fool head (to get his attention), tell him his fault, show him the guardrails, and remind hm that you know me (because if you were my boys' shop teacher, you would know me). I declare, and I guarantee, that child will be on the straight and narrow again.
Ag teachers and Horse riding coaches were also good and maintaining discipline. Always had some required jobs involving manure that anyone out of line could be sent to complete, as my daughter well learned.
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Ag teachers and Horse riding coaches were also good and maintaining discipline. Always had some required jobs involving manure that anyone out of line could be sent to complete, as my daughter well learned.
That's right - pig manure at that. AND a slap upside the head. I have a certain familiarity with VoAg teachers.
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I feel for you @verga , I do. Because it ain't my kids that will give you any grief. Oh sure, my boys kicked their heels up a bit... But if they get too far out of line, I would expect, especially out of the shop teacher, for you to give him a slap upside his fool head (to get his attention), tell him his fault, show him the guardrails, and remind hm that you know me (because if you were my boys' shop teacher, you would know me). I declare, and I guarantee, that child will be on the straight and narrow again.
And there are tales from the other side too - One of my boys got threatened with expulsion for defending himself, and the other for defending a girl. That ain't right. Damn straight when something like that happens I am gonna go down there and read to them knuckleheaded administrators from the good book - And a slap upside THEIR heads ain't out of the question. Lord knows they need it.
Were I to do it again, especially since the advent of the modern homesteading community, where raising your own is the whole point, had I the resources to hand that they do now, I am sure I would have homeschooled, even over Christian education.
I was almost mugged by some Knee Grows in my high school. What stopped the three of them was a simple razor blade box cutter in my pallid white hand. I would have gotten in serious trouble if I'd been caught with a (gasp!) weapon on my body. I would have gotten in serious injury if I hadn't had it. An easy decision to make. No blood was spilled, especially not mine, and that's as far as it went.
The lower animals naturally respect superior firepower.
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I feel for you @verga , I do. Because it ain't my kids that will give you any grief. Oh sure, my boys kicked their heels up a bit... But if they get too far out of line, I would expect, especially out of the shop teacher, for you to give him a slap upside his fool head (to get his attention), tell him his fault, show him the guardrails, and remind hm that you know me (because if you were my boys' shop teacher, you would know me). I declare, and I guarantee, that child will be on the straight and narrow again.
And there are tales from the other side too - One of my boys got threatened with expulsion for defending himself, and the other for defending a girl. That ain't right. Damn straight when something like that happens I am gonna go down there and read to them knuckleheaded administrators from the good book - And a slap upside THEIR heads ain't out of the question. Lord knows they need it.
Were I to do it again, especially since the advent of the modern homesteading community, where raising your own is the whole point, had I the resources to hand that they do now, I am sure I would have homeschooled, even over Christian education.
I hear you on the defending himself bit. A grandson got punched in the face while on crutches. All he did was pin his attacker to the wall (one handed, by their throat) until staff intervened. (This is a kid I KNOW could have painted the walls with the one who punched him). He got suspended from school for a week, same as the one who attacked him. (Miss 9 days here and the year is a do-over).
Here's the rub, though, the school had video of the incident. No question who attacked who, and who was in the wrong.
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I hear you on the defending himself bit. A grandson got punched in the face while on crutches. All he did was pin his attacker to the wall (one handed, by their throat) until staff intervened. (This is a kid I KNOW could have painted the walls with the one who punched him). He got suspended from school for a week, same as the one who attacked him. (Miss 9 days here and the year is a do-over).
Here's the rub, though, the school had video of the incident. No question who attacked who, and who was in the wrong.
Well then, somebody'd Better Call Saul!! :shrug:
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I hear you on the defending himself bit. A grandson got punched in the face while on crutches. All he did was pin his attacker to the wall (one handed, by their throat) until staff intervened. (This is a kid I KNOW could have painted the walls with the one who punched him). He got suspended from school for a week, same as the one who attacked him. (Miss 9 days here and the year is a do-over).
Here's the rub, though, the school had video of the incident. No question who attacked who, and who was in the wrong.
@Smokin Joe
Ain't ya just LOVING all this "equality stuff"?
Nobody is ever wrong,and everybody is equally right!
After all,if your son hadn't been on crutches he wouldn't have looked like an easy target,and the other boy wouldn't have attacked him!
Thus,your son was at fault for inviting an attack! The FIEND!
We iz da wurld.........
We iz da peep-pulls........
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I feel for you @verga , I do. Because it ain't my kids that will give you any grief. Oh sure, my boys kicked their heels up a bit... But if they get too far out of line, I would expect, especially out of the shop teacher, for you to give him a slap upside his fool head (to get his attention), tell him his fault, show him the guardrails, and remind hm that you know me (because if you were my boys' shop teacher, you would know me). I declare, and I guarantee, that child will be on the straight and narrow again.
And there are tales from the other side too - One of my boys got threatened with expulsion for defending himself, and the other for defending a girl. That ain't right. Damn straight when something like that happens I am gonna go down there and read to them knuckleheaded administrators from the good book - And a slap upside THEIR heads ain't out of the question. Lord knows they need it.
Were I to do it again, especially since the advent of the modern homesteading community, where raising your own is the whole point, had I the resources to hand that they do now, I am sure I would have homeschooled, even over Christian education.
The vast majority of my kids are great and after one conversation with the parents you can tell why a kid is the way they are (Good or bad). And you are correct expulsion for defending yourself or someone else is not right. In this day and age when so many schools have cameras there should be no question. About 10-12 years ago one of my students stopped another kid from literally getting stomped. He went up behind the aggressor and just wrapped his arms around the kid and picked him up and held him until teachers arrived on the scene. County policy said he should get 10 days and disciplinary review. His father asked the Principal how he planned to defend that in court when the jury see the tape. No punishment.
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Ag teachers and Horse riding coaches were also good and maintaining discipline. Always had some required jobs involving manure that anyone out of line could be sent to complete, as my daughter well learned.
Nothing like sweat punishment to correct your attitude.
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Nothing like sweat punishment to correct your attitude.
Second time the riding coach had learned not to send multiple offenders to the same location with the same punishment. First time led to a manure fight that had the Mamas pissed when taking the girls home.
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@Smokin Joe
Ain't ya just LOVING all this "equality stuff"?
Nobody is ever wrong,and everybody is equally right!
After all,if your son hadn't been on crutches he wouldn't have looked like an easy target,and the other boy wouldn't have attacked him!
Thus,your son was at fault for inviting an attack! The FIEND!
We iz da wurld.........
We iz da peep-pulls........
It used to be about who threw the first punch.
Then it became everyone is equally guilty.
Now it's "who's the white guy, he's guilty".
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I was almost mugged by some Knee Grows in my high school. What stopped the three of them was a simple razor blade box cutter in my pallid white hand. I would have gotten in serious trouble if I'd been caught with a (gasp!) weapon on my body. I would have gotten in serious injury if I hadn't had it. An easy decision to make. No blood was spilled, especially not mine, and that's as far as it went.
The lower animals naturally respect superior firepower.
Everybody respects firepower. That's why everybody up in here is fairly polite.
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I hear you on the defending himself bit. A grandson got punched in the face while on crutches. All he did was pin his attacker to the wall (one handed, by their throat) until staff intervened. (This is a kid I KNOW could have painted the walls with the one who punched him). He got suspended from school for a week, same as the one who attacked him. (Miss 9 days here and the year is a do-over).
Here's the rub, though, the school had video of the incident. No question who attacked who, and who was in the wrong.
Ain't no damn body gonna tell my kid not to defend himself. That ain't right.
Both times they got suspended immediately, and expulsion was on the table... some 'no tolerance' bullsh*t... Both times I had to go in there mad as hell and drag the principal over his desk and poke my finger in his chest... the first time that was enough (the defense of self). the nother one I had to rack up my lawyer (the defense of others thing). That one cost me eight hundred bucks, which is what the lawyer costs pretty much just to show up...
And in both cases the thing was over quick. the first one the suspension was lifted the next day. the second three days later. After they figgered out that I was not only damn mean to deal with when I am pissed, but also willing and able to chase em down the legal route - with a heave duty legal house bought and paid for, I never had any more trouble.
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The vast majority of my kids are great and after one conversation with the parents you can tell why a kid is the way they are (Good or bad). And you are correct expulsion for defending yourself or someone else is not right. In this day and age when so many schools have cameras there should be no question. About 10-12 years ago one of my students stopped another kid from literally getting stomped. He went up behind the aggressor and just wrapped his arms around the kid and picked him up and held him until teachers arrived on the scene. County policy said he should get 10 days and disciplinary review. His father asked the Principal how he planned to defend that in court when the jury see the tape. No punishment.
It don't make no sense to me. The only way you get rid of a bully is for someone to stand up to him. My kind do that by nature. One sort is bad for community, the other of high value. Standing up for self, and especially standing up for others should not only be encouraged, but lauded and praised.
That is one of the biggest indicators to me that the school system is messed up.
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It don't make no sense to me. The only way you get rid of a bully is for someone to stand up to him. My kind do that by nature. One sort is bad for community, the other of high value. Standing up for self, and especially standing up for others should not only be encouraged, but lauded and praised.
That is one of the biggest indicators to me that the school system is messed up.
Yep, even the times early on when I lost the fight, I at least had respect for standing up and not quitting. It is the only way to defeat the bullies, whether they are other students, some kid from the neighborhood, or some pencil neck in a suit masquerading as an administrator.
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Yep, even the times early on when I lost the fight, I at least had respect for standing up and not quitting. It is the only way to defeat the bullies, whether they are other students, some kid from the neighborhood, or some pencil neck in a suit masquerading as an administrator.
Yep. It you're right, don't back up, and don't back down. All in, right now.
That's how I was raised, and how I raised my own. and that's exactly the kind the bully will find hard to run over. Note that the administration thinks they can step in on that. They cannot. the effect of that breaks the deal. Some kid with the balls to do it has to beat that bully down. That is how the micro-community artificially represented in the school, learns governance, not by way of the teachers.
It is a serious point of order. Necessary.
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I sent my kids to a public school where they didn't have fights. If they had 5 fights in a year, it was considered way too much. Usually it was girls. Having grown up in a city, I was amazed. We had them every day.
Luckily, my son inherited my ability to take a punch because he also inherited my ability to say the wrong thing to the wrong person.
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Hey @Restored ! Nice to see you! :seeya:
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@Slide Rule While I don't agree with everything you say, you post are intelligent and generally insightful. After reading other people's responses to SD the only mistake I made was not putting him on ignore earlier.
I don't know Sled Dog other than his unusual name and his piercing statements.
This is conjecture, but he is mostly self made and improved his own standard of life through hard
work. I am the same and I had help from Dad correcting his animal and being an example.
I had a coach who called me animal, a compliment as he was a national wrestling champion.
I am mostly civilized, but I often consider physical response.
I like his presentation as it grabs the obvious and points to historical solutions. Solutions that have
worked for hundreds of years.
I always like hearing common sense that is less and less common. What do you have to lose as
it is your country and mine. If a politician, subordinate, or a teacher is compassionate, I have
little use for them. They might be a good neighbor, but they should be directing no one. Their track
record brought and amplified this conflict. Get a bat ready as we will be needing them.
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I don't know Sled Dog other than his unusual name and his piercing statements.
This is conjecture, but he is mostly self made and improved his own standard of life through hard
work. I am the same and I had help from Dad correcting his animal and being an example.
I had a coach who called me animal, a compliment as he was a national wrestling champion.
I am mostly civilized, but I often consider physical response.
I like his presentation as it grabs the obvious and points to historical solutions. Solutions that have
worked for hundreds of years.
I always like hearing common sense that is less and less common. What do you have to lose as
it is your country and mine. If a politician, subordinate, or a teacher is compassionate, I have
little use for them. They might be a good neighbor, but they should be directing no one. Their track
record brought and amplified this conflict. Get a bat ready as we will be needing them.
Thanks.
Lower middle class origins, enlisted in Navy, nuclear submarine reactor operator, paid my own way through a private university, am engineer for things that fly. Engineering things that fly permits no nonsense. People die with mistakes, or huge piles of money are lost.
Always been interested in history, history is a very important class young Americans need to learn. It's not taught in schools any more.
Anyway, not a big fan of socialists and whiners. They need to get a job and out of our pockets. Some people just can't understand that attitude.
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Thanks.
Lower middle class origins, enlisted in Navy, nuclear submarine reactor operator, paid my own way through a private university, am engineer for things that fly. Engineering things that fly permits no nonsense. People die with mistakes, or huge piles of money are lost.
Always been interested in history, history is a very important class young Americans need to learn. It's not taught in schools any more.
Anyway, not a big fan of socialists and whiners. They need to get a job and out of our pockets. Some people just can't understand that attitude.
Thought so.
Engineering guy too. I missed that.
I am also a History fan but back in HS had no use for it. Tests were a dates quiz without analysis of what was happening.
Half of what I read today is history.
Do you by any chance play pool? I post on a pool forum, mostly in the non pool area.
https://forums.azbilliards.com (https://forums.azbilliards.com)
The political sections are closed to non members.
I mostly type commentary, and read it again before hitting enter. Slight word changes can help.
Cheers.