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General Category => National/Breaking News => Topic started by: Night Hides Not on November 13, 2018, 12:15:32 am
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https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a25017095/baraboo-wisconsin-nazi-salute-high-school/ (https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a25017095/baraboo-wisconsin-nazi-salute-high-school/)
It's hard to dispute anymore that the culture of cruelty, shamelessness, and provocation for its own sake that now dominates our political culture is trickling down to the kids. The trolls have broken out of your computer, and they're smirking through the halls of high schools across this country. The latest example comes to us from Baraboo, Wisconsin, where a group of 50-plus white kids decided to throw up Nazi salutes for a junior prom picture. It blew up Sunday night, and the controversy continued into well into Monday:
According to the journalist who shared the original photo, Jules Suzdaltsev,†the students are actually members of the class of 2019, meaning they're seniors this year. The incident sits on the troubling line between the rise of a genuine ethno-nationalist movement in this country and the tendency for teenagers—especially teenage boys—to do things just to get a rise out of people. But in our current context—it's a year and change after neo-Nazis and other white supremacists marched the streets of Charlottesville, and one of them murdered a counter-protester, Heather Heyer, with his car—the rapid normalization of hate speech and right-wing extremism is dangerous no matter what the original motive.
(https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2018/11/12/14/nazi-salute.png?w968h681)
Absolutely the worst excuse for a Nazi salute I've ever seen. Never underestimate the ability of 17-18 YO boys to be absolute dumbasses. Personally, I'd give them an F in history, followed by a mandatory two hour session after school on Nazism and concentration camps, which I would be happy to present.
Oh heck, it's Wisconsin, the land of cheeseheads.
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This is bizarre. Even if a whole class of students wanted to give a Nazi salute, are they all isolated from social media and unaware of what the fallout would be? How stupid is that? I wonder if it could be something else...?
If it is a Nazi salute, they need their butts kicked.
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Looks like the famous Camera Hogg salute from one of his early SJ rallies.
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Looks like the famous Camera Hogg salute from one of his early SJ rallies.
Yeah, it does. Would be funny if it turned out they were imitating him.
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Watch it.
Baraboo is my favorite Wisconsin city.
The men in the photo aren't portly enough to be from Wisconsin.
:)
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Personally, I'd give them an F in history, followed by a mandatory two hour session after school on Nazism and concentration camps, which I would be happy to present.
Good idea.
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Front row, fifth from left seems to be giving hand signs.
Is that a current picture? Are narrow ties and lapels the current style?
They're all laughing at something so there is more to the story.
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""Morgan Springer graduated from Baraboo High School in 2018 and said she was there when the photo was taken. She said the photographer asked the boys to 'give some kind of like 'Yeah!' symbol' but she didn't believe the photographer indicated they should do the Nazi salute."
" A mother of a Baraboo High School student told WPR that the gesture meant something different altogether: It's a common gesture at Friday night football games, she said."
https://www.npr.org/2018/11/13/667288781/photo-of-students-giving-nazi-salute-being-investigated-by-wisc-school-district (https://www.npr.org/2018/11/13/667288781/photo-of-students-giving-nazi-salute-being-investigated-by-wisc-school-district)
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From Pakistan, no less...
"It exhibits greater than 50 younger males in fits smiling and laughing on the steps of the county courthouse in Baraboo, a city of round 10,000 individuals."
https://instant.com.pk/wisconsin-school-investigated-after-students-perform-nazi-salute-for-junior-prom-photo/
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""Morgan Springer graduated from Baraboo High School in 2018 and said she was there when the photo was taken. She said the photographer asked the boys to 'give some kind of like 'Yeah!' symbol' but she didn't believe the photographer indicated they should do the Nazi salute."
" A mother of a Baraboo High School student told WPR that the gesture meant something different altogether: It's a common gesture at Friday night football games, she said."
Too late for alternate explanations, looks like. They've already been vilified. And the boy (red bow tie) in the top row, far right, has already said on the record that he didn't want to go along with a Nazi salute because he found it offensive.
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the rapid normalization of hate speech and right-wing extremism is dangerous no matter what the original motive.
NAZI's were NATIONAL SOCIALISTS/FASCISTS,which was and is a left-wing political movement. The USSR and Nazi Germany were allies with a mutual defense treaty,right up to the point where Germany invaded the USSR. Suddenly,overnight,Fascism became a right-wing political movement,and the whole world forgot all about them jointly invading Poland and splitting it between them.
Those who don't remember history..........are cretins too stupid to be allowed to vote.
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Front row, fifth from left seems to be giving hand signs.
@endicom
Yeah,it means "kiss my a hole".
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Too late for alternate explanations, looks like. They've already been vilified. And the boy (red bow tie) in the top row, far right, has already said on the record that he didn't want to go along with a Nazi salute because he found it offensive.
@mountaineer
Naw,he was just mad because he wanted to give the Homo Pride Salute,and was told he would be bitch-slapped if he did. Something he prefers to have happen in private.
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Too late for alternate explanations, looks like. They've already been vilified. And the boy (red bow tie) in the top row, far right, has already said on the record that he didn't want to go along with a Nazi salute because he found it offensive.
Some are making fists so there should be an objection to the communist salute.
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Too late for alternate explanations, looks like. They've already been vilified. And the boy (red bow tie) in the top row, far right, has already said on the record that he didn't want to go along with a Nazi salute because he found it offensive.
@mountaineer
Unless it really is a sports-related thing they do and the guy on the right is going along with the media narrative. He doesn’t look like much of a jock. And it’s odd that he wasn’t willing to lift his arm in a Nazi salute, but was willing to be part of the photo.
That may not be the case, but I’m just having a hard time believing these kids could all be so oblivious to what would happen if this got out.
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@mountaineer
Unless it really is a sports-related thing they do and the guy on the right is going along with the media narrative. He doesn’t look like much of a jock. And it’s odd that he wasn’t willing to lift his arm in a Nazi salute, but was willing to be part of the photo.
That may not be the case, but I’m just having a hard time believing these kids could all be so oblivious to what would happen if this got out.
@CatherineofAragon
Given the level of history taught in school these days,chances are these kids have no idea what a "Nazi salute" even looks like. They may have never even heard of one.
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@CatherineofAragon
Given the level of history taught in school these days,chances are these kids have no idea what a "Nazi salute" even looks like. They may have never even heard of one.
@sneakypete
If they’re on social media, they have.
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Just boys being sh*t's and trolling for laughs and being rebellious and telling off PC culture.. 95% don't mean it and they know what it means. Everyone is reading way too much onto this
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Just boys being sh*t's and trolling for laughs and being rebellious and telling off PC culture.. 95% don't mean it and they know what it means. Everyone is reading way too much onto this
Everyone including the authorities.
These adolescent dummies are about to feel the full weight of our hypersensitive contemporary culture.
I'm afraid all of this heavy handed enforcement of 'cultural norms' will eventually result in a self fulfilling prophesy.
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Everyone including the authorities.
These adolescent dummies are about to feel the full weight of our hypersensitive contemporary culture.
I'm afraid all of this heavy handed enforcement of 'cultural norms' will eventually result in a self fulfilling prophesy.
Not to mention being blacklisted from 99% of the colleges and universities in this country.
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Not to mention being blacklisted from 99% of the colleges and universities in this country.
I'm hoping there are no extant examples of doodling I made on Pee Chee folders back in grade school. I'll really be up Sh*t Creek.
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Not to mention being blacklisted from 99% of the colleges and universities in this country.
Is there a downside to that? :pondering:
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Some suggestions:
(1) There's an American flag off camera and someone suggested using the Bellamy salute for the Pledge of Alliegance.
(2) Casting call for extras for season four of Man in the High Castle.
or most likely
(3) Just kids being dumb***es, with either no thought at all, or pour épater les marxistes culturelle.
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@sneakypete
If they’re on social media, they have.
@CatherineofAragon
Nazis are popular on social media? I had no idea. Then again,I have no interest in social media.
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@CatherineofAragon
Nazis are popular on social media? I had no idea. Then again,I have no interest in social media.
@sneakypete
Did I say they’re popular?
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Alright. Locals doing something local and then the outrage monkeys on social media step in to inject their own out of context commentary. How awesome.
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Manufactured outrage over some silly teenage bullshit.
SJW's need to die.
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@sneakypete
Did I say they’re popular?
@CatherineofAragon
If they are not popular,why are there a lot of people using social media to talk about them?
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I'm hoping there are no extant examples of doodling I made on Pee Chee folders back in grade school. I'll really be up Sh*t Creek.
Not to excuse the morons if they really knew they were giving a Nazi salute, but when I was a teen a number of us boys, including yours truly, would make swastikas while doodling during boring classes. Just to see if we could make one that looked like the ones we saw in war movies.
None of us then were Nazis or are now Nazis.
Just dumb kids goofing off in boring classes. Most of my classes bored the h*ll out of me. I doodled a lot of things.
I suppose now if somebody discovered my high school notebooks and found swastikas, I'd be sentenced to hard labor.
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@CatherineofAragon
If they are not popular,why are there a lot of people using social media to talk about them?
@sneakypete
Obviously for the same reason they were in the news here during WW2—popularity.
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Some suggestions:
(1) There's an American flag off camera and someone suggested using the Bellamy salute for the Pledge of Alliegance.
(2) Casting call for extras for season four of Man in the High Castle.
or most likely
(3) Just kids being dumb***es, with either no thought at all, or pour épater les marxistes culturelle.
"Just kids being dumb***es, with either no thought at all, or pour épater les marxistes culturelle"
Never underestimate the ability of teen boys to do stupid things. Especially on a dare.
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"Just kids being dumb***es, with either no thought at all, or pour épater les marxistes culturelle"
Never underestimate the ability of teen boys to do stupid things. Especially on a dare.
The sad thing is the Wisc dummies will probably made to suffer alot more for their stupidity than these dummies did for their's.
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Only Hollywood is allowed to use Nazi salutes for entertainment.
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I suppose now if somebody discovered my high school notebooks and found swastikas, I'd be sentenced to hard labor.
That's the sad truth of it.
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Night Hides wrote:
"Not to mention being blacklisted from 99% of the colleges and universities in this country."
Considering the agenda that those colleges and universities teach these days, that might be a GOOD thing... ;)