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General Category => World News => Topic started by: rangerrebew on May 03, 2017, 02:13:22 pm
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Pope Francis Calls on Egypt’s Catholics to Forgive Muslims who Terrorize, Persecute, Slaughter Them
By Pamela Geller - on April 29, 2017
Christians living in Muslim countries under Islamic law (sharia) are terrorized, oppressed and subjugated. In Egypt, the Christian community is under siege by devout Muslims. Slaughtering Christians in their churches, forced conversions, daily humiliations and harassment, and the pope says ….. forgive.
I am no Christian theologian, but this is not what Jesus had in mind when he said turn the other cheek. This pope is leading his flock to slaughter. Christianity has never forbidden self-defense or, in the case of the Christians of Egypt, prudent steps for self-protection in the face of a vastly more powerful foe. The Pope is counseling Egyptian Christians to adopt, under the guise of “forgiveness,” a passive and defenseless stance in the face of constant persecution. This will only hasten the total eradication of the Christian community in Egypt.
http://pamelageller.com/2017/04/pope-francis-calls-egypts-catholics-forgive-muslims-terrorize-persecute-slaughter.html/
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Pope Francis Calls on Egypt’s Catholics to Forgive Muslims who Terrorize, Persecute, Slaughter Them
By Pamela Geller - on April 29, 2017
Christians living in Muslim countries under Islamic law (sharia) are terrorized, oppressed and subjugated. In Egypt, the Christian community is under siege by devout Muslims. Slaughtering Christians in their churches, forced conversions, daily humiliations and harassment, and the pope says ….. forgive.
I am no Christian theologian, but this is not what Jesus had in mind when he said turn the other cheek. This pope is leading his flock to slaughter. Christianity has never forbidden self-defense or, in the case of the Christians of Egypt, prudent steps for self-protection in the face of a vastly more powerful foe. The Pope is counseling Egyptian Christians to adopt, under the guise of “forgiveness,” a passive and defenseless stance in the face of constant persecution. This will only hasten the total eradication of the Christian community in Egypt.
http://pamelageller.com/2017/04/pope-francis-calls-egypts-catholics-forgive-muslims-terrorize-persecute-slaughter.html/
I think that there is a growing body of evidence that Pope Francis is insane. He may be one of the first atheist popes in modern history. The Bible itself explains that forgiveness is not given without conditions even by Almighty God. Forgiveness is granted by experiencing remorse in the heart.
The word for what that lunatic is advocating is "enabling" or worse dhimmitude. The militant fundie muzz are forever demanding "forgiveness" from Christians without extending it in return. Perhaps the Pope would like Christians to simply volunteer to march into death chambers to be exterminated. That would surely "bring peace" with the muzz, but anything short of that will surely not.
This fool is either insane, evil or badly misguided by his own abject, abysmal ignorance of Christian doctrine and scripture. He needs to resign or be removed before he brings a catastrophic collapse to Catholicism as a moral, Christian institution.
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I am no Christian theologian, but this is not what Jesus had in mind when he said turn the other cheek.
Quite true, Pam -- you're no Christian theologian. In fact, it's precisely what Jesus had in mind.
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If by forgive he means put a bullet between their eyes to hasten their eternity with allah, I'm all for it, otherwise not so much.
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Quite true, Pam -- you're no Christian theologian. In fact, it's precisely what Jesus had in mind.
Perhaps you'd like to post the Scripture to which you refer? There are numerous Biblical lines which describe the process of forgiveness as requiring remorse and acceptance of responsibility. Modern Salafist Islam has done neither.
So get off your high horse anteater. You are clearly no Biblical scholar nor remotely worthy to hand out casual sarcastic criticism.
For instance, where exactly in the Bible does it say anything about "turning the other cheek" or "granting forgiveness" to people who espouse Satanic ideology which justifies running over innocent people minding their own business with vehicles, killing them horribly? Just wondering, your wonderfulness.
Awaiting your substantive response and hitting my stop watch...NOW!
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Perhaps you'd like to post the Scripture to which you refer? There are numerous Biblical lines which describe the process of forgiveness as requiring remorse and acceptance of responsibility. Modern Salafist Islam has done neither.
That whole "dying on the cross" thing for one; but if you want a concrete quote,
And Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do.” (Luke 23:34).
And, of course, as St. Stephen was dying after being stoned:
And falling to his knees he cried out with a loud voice, “Lord, do not hold this sin against them.” And when he had said this, he fell asleep. (Acts 7:60)
So get off your high horse anteater. You are clearly no Biblical scholar nor remotely worthy to hand out casual sarcastic criticism.
Awaiting your substantive response and hitting my stop watch...NOW!
Well, you Biblical illiterate, there are your quotes. One from The Man Himself.
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Forgive me but that is sadly pedestrian criticism. I hear that sort of out-of-context reasoning from atheists and agnostics all the time. I saw it coming a mile away .Theological ignorance is what your response demonstrates. With a large degree of pomposity along with it ( not unusal)..
You wrote:
That whole "dying on the cross" thing for one; but if you want a concrete quote,
And, of course, as St. Stephen was dying after being stoned:
Well, you Biblical illiterate, there are your quotes. One from The Man Himself.
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Nonsense. Utter and complete. Your mistakes are classic in every last regard, repeated ad nauseum by faux-Christian Bible quoters going back centuries.
"That whole "dying on the cross" thing for one;"
Not applicable to human beings. The crucifixion was a process which God had Christ undergo in order to cleanse the human race of sin in the most literal sense. Christ was not "showing an example" or encouraging others to allow themselves to be crucified. He was crying out to God to forgive Humanity for crucifying His Son. If you wish to draw a parable from that, it may only extend to those who are grossly ignorant. Christ reserved anger and condemnation for Satan and Satanism, not forgiveness. Evil which is knowing, unrepentant wickedness (such as mass murderers) is not forgiven, not even by Christ.
"And falling to his knees he cried out with a loud voice, “Lord, do not hold this sin against them.” And when he had said this, he fell asleep. (Acts 7:60)"
Again, we are talking about a Saint, not an average person. He was making a statement in relation to avoiding condemnation of the ENTIRE HUMAN RACE and separating the act from the souls. He was not referring to evil people who do not repent of their sins, demons, Satanists or to Satan himself but again to people acting in ignorance. Overt evil and evil people are unworthy of forgiveness. People who act out of ignorance, who believe that they are doing good, are exempted from condemnation. Evil people are to be forgiven ONLY IF THEY REPENT their evil. Salafist fundamentalist militant terrorism-embracing unrepentant mass-murderers are not included in that category.
So save the silly insults for someone who has never studied the topic. Any thing else? Or is that all you have to support your thesis?
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Forgive me but that is sadly pedestrian criticism. I hear that sort of out-of-context reasoning from atheists and agnostics all the time. I saw it coming a mile away .Theological ignorance is what your response demonstrates. With a large degree of pomposity along with it ( not unusal)..
You wrote:
That whole "dying on the cross" thing for one; but if you want a concrete quote,
And, of course, as St. Stephen was dying after being stoned:
Well, you Biblical illiterate, there are your quotes. One from The Man Himself.
Nonsense. Utter and complete. Your mistakes are classic in every last regard, repeated ad nauseum by faux-Christian Bible quoters going back centuries.
"That whole "dying on the cross" thing for one;"
Not applicable to human beings. He was crying out to God to forgive them for crucifying His Son. If you wish to draw a parable from that, it may only extend to those who are grossly ignorant. Christ reserved anger and condemnation for Satan and Satanism, not forgiveness. Evil which is knowing, unrepentant wickedness (such as mass murderers) is not forgiven, not even by Christ.
"And falling to his knees he cried out with a loud voice, “Lord, do not hold this sin against them.” And when he had said this, he fell asleep. (Acts 7:60)"
Again, we are talking about a Saint, not an average person. He was making a statement in relation to avoiding condemnation of the ENTIRE HUMAN RACE and separating the act from the souls. He was not referring to evil people who do not repent of their sins, demons, Satanists or to Satan himself but again to people acting in ignorance. Overt evil and evil people are unworthy of forgiveness. People who act out of ignorance, who believe that they are doing good, are exempted from condemnation. Evil people are to be forgiven ONLY IF THEY REPENT their evil. Salafist fundamentalist militant terrorism-embracing unrepentant mass-murderers are not included in that category.
So save your idiotic insults for someone who has never studied the topic. Any thing else? Or is that all you have to support your thesis?
Summary: "Whatever Jesus or the Saints said or did, it doesn't apply to us. And stop bugging me with what Our Lord And Savior had to say -- what else have you got?"
If you actually did "study the topic," it evidently did not stick.
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Summary: "Whatever Jesus or the Saints said or did, it doesn't apply to us. And stop bugging me with what Our Lord And Savior had to say -- what else have you got?"
If you actually did "study the topic," it evidently did not stick.
Non sequitur. I did not say that the quotations did not apply entirely, only in the context in which you chose to apply them (incorrectly) to construct a purport that militant fundamentalist muzz terrorists or terrorsymps were entitled to unconditional forgiveness.
I responded to your post substantively and in detail, you dismissed it without responding in kind. In debate class, I was taught that refusal to respond substantively is a capitulation of the point.
Either you did not understand my response or you had no substantive reply and so sought to avoid admitting it by dismissing the post entirely. Not unexpected from a ( forgive me) theological dilatant but I had hoped for better from a member of this forum.
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Non sequitur. I did not say that the quotations did not apply entirely, only in the context in which you chose to apply them (incorrectly) to construct a purport that militant fundamentalist muzz terrorists or terrorsymps were entitled to unconditional forgiveness.
I responded to your post substantively and in detail, you dismissed it without responding in kind. In debate class, I was taught that refusal to respond substantively is a capitulation of the point.
Either you did not understand my response or you had no substantive reply and so sought to avoid admitting it by dismissing the post entirely. Not unexpected from a ( forgive me) theological dilatant but I had hoped for better from a member of this forum.
Problem being, your "details" are easily dismissed because they're irrelevant to the point I was making: I was taking exception to a particular statement in the OP. I'm not interested in running in circles about your personal antipathies.
The article in question was written by the execrable Pam Geller -- a dishonest and ruthlessly idiotic pundit whose opinions cannot be trusted. This was just a case in point.
The bottom line is that what the Pope said, is Biblically defensible. It does not foreclose other responses -- but it does echo what Jesus Himself said.
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Did he call on the murderous hordes to stop harming innocents?
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Did he call on the murderous hordes to stop harming innocents?
Just remember: you're arguing about a Pam Geller piece. It's not the sort of source you should trust -- EVER.
The NYT provides a much better summary of his remarks.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/28/world/middleeast/pope-francis-muslims-egypt.html?_r=0
Yes, he did call on murderous hordes to stop harming innocents.
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Problem being, your "details" are easily dismissed because they're irrelevant to the point I was making: I was taking exception to a particular statement in the OP. I'm not interested in running in circles about your personal antipathies.
The article in question was written by the execrable Pam Geller -- a dishonest and ruthlessly idiotic pundit whose opinions cannot be trusted. This was just a case in point.
The bottom line is that what the Pope said, is Biblically defensible. It does not foreclose other responses -- but it does echo what Jesus Himself said.
Well you're about as good at vituperation and at evading a substantive discussion as you are poor at debating. Thanks for several pointless posts full of sound, fury and self adoration but little else. Dilatant. Purely. If you had not insulted the first poster I wouldn't have gone after you as diligently as I have, but I wanted to reveal you for what you are. Thanks for cooperating so enthusiastically. Enjoy your ignorance of Christian doctrine along with your delusions of superiority over people vastly more-informed (and civil) than yourself.
Oh, and I suppose that you think that Pam should forgive the terrorist who tried to murder her.(cuckoo clock sounds). I should think that Pam Geller has more class and wisdom in her little finger than you have in your whole family tree.
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Well you about as good at vituperation and at evading a substantive discussion as you are poor at debating. Thanks for several pointless posts full of sound, fury and self adoration but little else. Dilatant. Purely. If you had not insulted the first poster I wouldn't have gone after you as diligently as I have, but I wanted to reveal you for what you are. Thanks for cooperating so enthusiastically. Enjoy your ignorance of Scripture along with your delusions of superiority over people vastly more informed (and civil) than yourself.
Thanks for reminding me why I have you on "Ignore." You're really a piece of work.
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Thanks for reminding me why I have you on "Ignore." You're really a piece of work.
Wow. Thanks for the compliment!! It is difficult to measure the magnitude of my indifference to being ignored by someone of your level of ignorance about Christian theological / Scriptural matters. Selah! Denial and evasion suit you "R". Run away to your "safe space" and don't worry too much. The truth is not for everybody.
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The idiot who wears the shoes of the fisherman is no Pope.
He is the "anti-pope".
Only a fool would heed or follow him.
He's a disgrace to the robes he wears and to the office he occupies.