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Title: Lines of Code Comparison To Healthcare.gov (Obamacare portal)
Post by: famousdayandyear on October 23, 2013, 11:52:19 pm
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Source:
http://www.alexmarchant.com/blog/2013/10/22/healthcare-dot-gov-lines-of-code-comparison.html (http://www.alexmarchant.com/blog/2013/10/22/healthcare-dot-gov-lines-of-code-comparison.html)
Title: Re: Lines of Code Comparison To Healthcare.gov (Obamacare portal)
Post by: Oceander on October 24, 2013, 12:25:11 am
seriously?
Title: Re: Lines of Code Comparison To Healthcare.gov (Obamacare portal)
Post by: Atomic Cow on October 24, 2013, 12:27:56 am
I find that hard to believe.

The line of code for a F-22 Raptor is about 2 million, the B-2 Spirit has slightly more.
Title: Re: Lines of Code Comparison To Healthcare.gov (Obamacare portal)
Post by: aligncare on October 24, 2013, 12:34:29 am
For those of us who don't speak geek, is there anyone among you who can explain in American English what this means?
Title: Re: Lines of Code Comparison To Healthcare.gov (Obamacare portal)
Post by: Atomic Cow on October 24, 2013, 12:39:38 am
Quote from: aligncare on October 24, 2013, 12:34:29 am
For those of us who don't speak geek, is there anyone among you who can explain in American English what this means?

Computer software is comprised of lines of code, basically the instructions which tell the software how to operate.  The more lines, the more complex the program.  Even websites have lines of code.  Here is an example of this site's main page.  It means nothing looking like that, but your browser will interpret it and display the site correctly.

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Title: Re: Lines of Code Comparison To Healthcare.gov (Obamacare portal)
Post by: aligncare on October 24, 2013, 12:44:59 am
And this is what computer programmers do all day? Damn. And these people have access to guns?
Title: Re: Lines of Code Comparison To Healthcare.gov (Obamacare portal)
Post by: ABX on October 24, 2013, 12:50:01 am
Quote from: Atomic Cow on October 24, 2013, 12:27:56 am
I find that hard to believe.

The line of code for a F-22 Raptor is about 2 million, the B-2 Spirit has slightly more.

Go to Healthcare.gov, right click and click view page source. Just their landing page is an absolute mess. It looks like a patchwork quilt of mishmash code stolen from other sites.  And that is just the front-end, what should be the simplest part. It is a nightmare. Someone must have been drunk coding that.
Title: Re: Lines of Code Comparison To Healthcare.gov (Obamacare portal)
Post by: ABX on October 24, 2013, 12:51:06 am
Quote from: aligncare on October 24, 2013, 12:44:59 am
And this is what computer programmers do all day? Damn. And these people have access to guns?

We have many, many guns. It is what we do on the weekend after staring at code all week to bring us back to sanity.
Title: Re: Lines of Code Comparison To Healthcare.gov (Obamacare portal)
Post by: famousdayandyear on October 24, 2013, 01:22:15 am
For programmers, certain structured languages (early "C" from Bell Labs, for instance) provided an elegance not present in some other languages.  This "elegance" delivers scalability, easy debugging features, expandability, self documenting code and so on, that "clunkier" languages do not.  Applications written using structured code are much easier to implement, expand, "fix" and so on.

I doubt very seriously that the healthcare.gov took advantage of best industry practices when designing this monster.

Jeff Bezos:  White courtesy phone
Title: Re: Lines of Code Comparison To Healthcare.gov (Obamacare portal)
Post by: aligncare on October 24, 2013, 01:24:21 am
Does anyone think that the website may be Obamacare's undoing? That because people can't sign up, the penalties for not signing up and the deadline may have to be waived?
Title: Re: Lines of Code Comparison To Healthcare.gov (Obamacare portal)
Post by: Atomic Cow on October 24, 2013, 01:29:52 am
It won't be.  They'll just spin all day long and the stupid voters will believe it is somehow the Republicans fault.  Obama will never be blamed.
Title: Re: Lines of Code Comparison To Healthcare.gov (Obamacare portal)
Post by: famousdayandyear on October 24, 2013, 01:34:33 am
Quote from: aligncare on October 24, 2013, 01:24:21 am
Does anyone think that the website may be Obamacare's undoing? That because people can't sign up, the penalties for not signing up and the deadline may have to be waived?

I am not a programmer but had to be able to decipher code as part of my position in the SW development field.  Looking at that sample page does not look like any structured base code I have ever worked with.  IMO, this monstrosity was put out there to FAIL BIG TIME.  No alpha testing; no beta testing; just a friendly web page with happy people graphic and some text.  And why nearly a billion was spent to create and implement is a ruse--$$ prolly went to a slush fund somewhere. 
Title: Re: Lines of Code Comparison To Healthcare.gov (Obamacare portal)
Post by: ABX on October 24, 2013, 01:42:30 am
Quote from: aligncare on October 24, 2013, 01:24:21 am
Does anyone think that the website may be Obamacare's undoing? That because people can't sign up, the penalties for not signing up and the deadline may have to be waived?

They'll just blame Bush.
Title: Re: Lines of Code Comparison To Healthcare.gov (Obamacare portal)
Post by: Relic on October 24, 2013, 03:33:30 pm
Quote from: Atomic Cow on October 24, 2013, 01:29:52 am
It won't be.  They'll just spin all day long and the stupid voters will believe it is somehow the Republicans fault.  Obama will never be blamed.

Couldn't agree more. We are seeing graphic examples of Obama's teflon nature. Obama is responsible for nothing bad, and gets credit for anything good. And that's how it will always be with the media and the stupid public.
Title: Re: Lines of Code Comparison To Healthcare.gov (Obamacare portal)
Post by: Oceander on October 25, 2013, 02:15:44 am
Quote from: aligncare on October 24, 2013, 12:34:29 am
For those of us who don't speak geek, is there anyone among you who can explain in American English what this means?

Basically the code is like an operating manual - it "tells" the computer what to do - and for analogy, think of each "line of code" as a single page in that manual.  That should give a fairly concrete illustration of the disparities here.
Title: Re: Lines of Code Comparison To Healthcare.gov (Obamacare portal)
Post by: Liberal_Spy on October 25, 2013, 02:26:00 am
Quote from: aligncare on October 24, 2013, 12:44:59 am
And this is what computer programmers do all day?

It's enough to drive you crazy.