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Poll: 62% support Obama’s executive amnesty on the merits, 55% say Congress should let it stand
posted at 2:01 pm on January 15, 2015 by Allahpundit
You would think there’d be more support for Congress letting the policy stand than there is for the policy on the merits. Realistically, some slice of the public that opposes executive amnesty will nonetheless submit to it on grounds that it’s the status quo now, illegals are enrolling in it, we don’t need any messy new standoffs between the legislature and the executive, etc. As it is, maybe there’s some segment of people who support the policy on the merits who also think, “You know, come to think of it, this is an egregious affront to separation of powers. Maybe Congress should give him a hard time.”
Anyway. Joe Manchin, Claire McCaskill, and the other remaining red-state Dems in the Senate are surely studying these numbers as they mull whether to vote with McConnell in defunding Obama’s amnesty. The first column here shows overall public support, the next three show Republicans, Democrats, and independents, respectively. For some reason some of the rows in each table are pushed over one slot to the right. Must be a formatting problem for CBS:
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More than six in 10 Americans support what Obama’s trying to achieve with his policy. That’s a 10-point increase from last month, when WaPo found 52 percent support for the new program. When you ask specifically how people feel about this policy being implemented by executive diktat, support does drop — but not as much as you would hope.
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Polls taken late last year tended to show majority opposition to Obama’s executive order. In early December Gallup found a 41/51 split; around the same time Pew got a 46/50 result. A few weeks before that, CNN found fully 72 percent of the public thought Obama’s new immigration policy was either about right or didn’t go far enough — yet when asked if they thought it should be implemented by executive action, they split 41/56. Today, 48 percent say it’s within his authority versus just 46 percent who say it isn’t. That’s not precisely the same question as asking someone if they support his action, but given that 62 percent agree with the policy on the merits, it’s a safe bet that those 48 percent are onboard. And if there’s any lingering doubt, just look at the follow-up question: 55 percent think Congress should leave it alone while just 40 percent say they should try to stop Obama. Independents side with Democrats in both cases in support of O’s action, particularly on the question of whether Congress should stand down (56 percent agree versus just 38 percent who don’t). CBS’s pollster gave people multiple chances here to say that this amnesty should be derailed. They passed every time.
Why the change since December? Some of it, I think, is simple civic deficiency among the public: They don’t much care about constitutional lawmaking niceties, they tend to embrace the status quo once it’s had a chance to firm up, and they usually have a short attention span for the hot-button issue du jour. That short attention span has hurt Obama on other left-wing wishlist items: He pushed hard to quickly pass gun-control legislation after the Newtown shootings because he knew that, as time passed, the public would gradually revert to form in supporting gun rights. He was right. He didn’t dare do something bold via executive action there — a kingly order targeting guns would have been a political atomic bomb dropped on Democrats — but there are enough constituencies on his side, and enough complexity to the issue itself, to embolden him on immigration. I think he’s figured out that the political price for executive overreach, at least on most subjects, is small and fleeting because ultimately the public doesn’t care enough about who’s making the law or why it’s being made. Better to act in that case, weather a few weeks of GOP grumbling, and wait for the storm to pass. The other reason for the change in polling here is O’s improving job approval. That has little to do with amnesty and lots to do with the rosier monthly jobs reports lately, but the better he looks to the public on a core issue like the economy, the more likely they are to give him the benefit of the doubt on other things like this. That’s another reason why Manchin and McCaskill might think twice about voting against him: If they’re economic optimists, then sticking a little more closely to Obama than they had planned over the next two years won’t cost them much in 2018.
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I'm sorry but I do not believe one word of this!
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I'm sorry but I do not believe one word of this!
It's CBS....not to be believed at all..hope those on Cap Hill know better..
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Who conducted this poll?
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This is total non-sense from the American Pravda style media. I don't believe one word of it. Even the legal immigrants do not support amnesty. Many Blacks do not support amnesty, because they know they are going to be the hardest hit from it.
This is bullshit. The only people supporting amnesty are farmers, corporations, Latino activists, and bought and paid for Congressmen.
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Given the environment in Europe (Paris, Belgium), the mood among the GOP Senate may shift and you might see the immigration piece of DHS funding removed and the Senate will send a clean bill back to the House.
In any case, none of this matters, it's all theatrics. Obama is not going to sign any bill overturning his EO and the DHS funding will have to be passed.
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Yeah, right. If 62% of Americans backed amnesty, then Democrats would have won in a landslide in November.
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I'd have to call BS on this poll. Not buying it at all
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It's CBS....not to be believed at all..hope those on Cap Hill know better..
Exactly..this was Repubs number one issue at the polls..
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Until there's another poll to counter it, this is the one Manchin and other Democrats will be looking at. I don't see any way the House bill gets past a filibuster.
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Until there's another poll to counter it, this is the one Manchin and other Democrats will be looking at. I don't see any way the House bill gets past a filibuster.
We spent 6 months screaming and crying about all the polls leading up to November 2012. They were all cooked, propaganda, or just flat out lies. Guess what? Most of them were right, we were wrong.
I don't take polls as absolute truth, but I don't reflexively dismiss them either.
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No way I believe these numbers.
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The results were skewed by careful wording. Americans like the status quo, and to them a work permit is not the same as permanent residency; the poll also is deliberately vague on what the requirements will be for those work permits. They worded the question to be as favorable as possible toward supporting the action.
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The results were skewed by careful wording. Americans like the status quo, and to them a work permit is not the same as permanent residency; the poll also is deliberately vague on what the requirements will be for those work permits. They worded the question to be as favorable as possible toward supporting the action.
Of course... we have been reduced to evaluating unconstitutional acts based on polling data...
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The word "amnesty" is used for many variations of action on illegal immigration.
What polling has learned about the American electorate, is a majority want to "regularize" illegal immigrants already here, with a status along the lines of legal residency. Not citizenship. Not deport them all.
The article cites polls by Pew, Gallup and CNN, and I have seen similar polling results.
Politicians on both sides use the ambiguity of mere words, to speak to different interests.
The pragmatic Republican must now placate the far right by saying he won't support "amnesty," even though he intends to settle for legal residency under limited conditions.
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The word "amnesty" is used for many variations of action on illegal immigration.
What polling has learned about the American electorate, is a majority want to "regularize" illegal immigrants already here, with a status along the lines of legal residency. Not citizenship. Not deport them all.
The article cites polls by Pew, Gallup and CNN, and I have seen similar polling results.
Politicians on both sides use the ambiguity of mere words, to speak to different interests.
The pragmatic Republican must now placate the far right by saying he won't support "amnesty," even though he intends to settle for legal residency under limited conditions.
I agree that "amnesty" has become an ugly code word that means different things to the different ends of the spectrum.
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We spent 6 months screaming and crying about all the polls leading up to November 2012. They were all cooked, propaganda, or just flat out lies. Guess what? Most of them were right, we were wrong.
I don't take polls as absolute truth, but I don't reflexively dismiss them either.
A poll about an issue, not an election, should not be trusted, pure and simple. The media will flat out lie to support Obama.
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We spent 6 months screaming and crying about all the polls leading up to November 2012. They were all cooked, propaganda, or just flat out lies. Guess what? Most of them were right, we were wrong.
I don't take polls as absolute truth, but I don't reflexively dismiss them either.
Yup. The reason that statistics make for such powerful lies is because they're built on a foundation of basic truth (the trick is in distorting that foundation, not in dispensing with it). The fact of the matter is that a lot of people want a solution that doesn't involve being really, really nasty to a lot of people.