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General Category => Immigration/Border => Topic started by: Fishrrman on November 19, 2014, 05:25:43 pm
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http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/report-obama-sign-executive-amnesty-friday-vegas_819591.html
Report: Obama to Sign Executive Amnesty Friday in Vegas (Updated)
9:36 AM, NOV 19, 2014
BY DANIEL HALPER
John Harwood of CNBC and the New York Times reports that President Obama's executive amnesty order is coming Friday in Las Vegas:
The Las Vegas Review-Journal confirms Obama's visit to Las Vegas on Friday:
President Barack Obama is expected to visit Las Vegas on Friday, stopping here after Republicans swept all top state offices and took control of the Legislature in the Nov. 4 election. ...
Nevada is a battleground state and Obama needs to boost the Democratic Party before the 2016 election where voters will determine who will succeed Obama in the White House. At this point former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is leading the pack even before announcing whether she’s running.
Nevada reporter Jon Ralston suggests the event will be at a local high school:
Hearing POTUS coming to Vegas on Friday for speech at Del Sol High School. I wonder what the topic could possibly be at DEL SOL high school.
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This can't be very far behind:
(http://www.city-data.com/forum/attachments/illegal-immigration/1444d1172256279-new-aztlan-map-showing-occupied-territory-newaztlan.gif)
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This can't be very far behind:
(http://www.david-sadler.org/image/immigration/newaztlan.gif)
I remember the first time I saw that map Aztlan, laughed at the time.
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http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/19/politics/obama-immigration-announcement-thursday/index.html?hpt=hp_t2 (http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/19/politics/obama-immigration-announcement-thursday/index.html?hpt=hp_t2)
Obama to announce immigration executive action in prime time address Thursday
By Jim Acosta, Athena Jones and Kevin Liptak, CNN
updated 1:02 PM EST, Wed November 19, 2014
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Washington (CNN) -- President Barack Obama will unveil his long-awaited immigration plan Thursday evening, sources tell CNN, changing rules governing deportations that could affect millions of undocumented immigrants and setting off an explosive battle with Republicans.
Obama's prime-time address will be followed Friday by an event in Las Vegas, sources added. While exact details of his announcement haven't yet been made public, the basic outline of the plan, as relayed by people familiar with its planning, includes deferring deportation for the parents of U.S. citizens, a move that would affect up to 3.5 million people.
The President declared in June he wouldn't wait for Congress to pass a comprehensive overhaul of the immigration system, initially saying he would announce changes by the end the summer. The decision was delayed until after the midterm elections, when the White House believed it wouldn't be caught up in campaign politics.
But Republicans have expressed deep anger at the anticipated move, saying unilateral action on immigration would forestall any legislative action.
What's in the plan
The contours of Obama's announcement have been the subject of speculation among immigration activists for months, though the White House has yet to officially relay what Obama will announce when he speaks to the American people on Thursday night.
Administration officials say a keystone of the announcement will be allowing the parents of American citizens, who are undocumented immigrants themselves, to remain in the United States without the threat of deportation. That would include the parents of legal residents, but not the parents of children eligible for delayed deportation under a rule Obama enacted in 2012.
Up to 3.6 million people would be affected by that change, according to an estimate from the Migration Policy Institute, though the figures are smaller if Obama's announcement includes a minimum number of years spent in the country.
Mandating parents live in the U.S. for at least 5 years before becoming eligible would bring the number affected to 3.3 million; a 10-year minimum would bring it down further to an estimated 2.5 million people.
READ: Immigration fast facts
Other potential areas of reform include extending the deportation deferment for immigrants who were brought to the United States as children. Altering the age restrictions on that action could allow hundreds of thousands more people to remain in the United States.
Officials also said the plan could include a stronger focus on deporting criminals who are undocumented immigrants and an expansion of worker visas in areas like technology.
Lastly, the plan could include new resources to bolster security on the border.
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Bastard.
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...and no one will try to stop him....
Rush is depressing the hell out of me..says the Repubs will not do a thing about it..
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Rush is also saying they are trying to take away Session's chairmanship because they don't want anyone to buck Obama....did they not pay attention to the election...they won the majority to stop Obama...damn them!
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Good news: Are you ready for some football on the NFL Network?
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...and no one will try to stop him....
Rush is depressing the hell out of me..says the Repubs will not do a thing about it..
Do not listen to Rush. He's gotten completely ridiculous after the elections. I stopped after last week.
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Do not listen to Rush. He's gotten completely ridiculous after the elections. I stopped after last week.
Rush is right!
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I was discussing this elsewhere, and got this reply. This guy is spot on.
Here's the political calculus behind this...
Obama refused to do this before the election, even publicly announcing that an executive order on immigration would be a bad idea and publicly denouncing those calling for it in his speeches.
The day after the election, the Republicans begin talking about 'working together' and healing the wounds (now that they control both houses of Congress)
If Republicans did start working with the Obama administration, it makes Republicans look good...which is something Democrats don't want because they don't Rs to win the next presidential election.
Republicans also want to pass immigration reform, they (like Democrats) recognize that the hispanic vote is essential to the future. They also recognize that latinos are very socially conservative and only vote D because of the immigration issue.
So now you've got a growing segment of the Republican part, led by Rubio, stealing the hispanic vote from Democrats by being in favor immigration reform.
Obama sees this and rightfully assesses that he can't let Republicans pass reform...if he does, he's losing the 2016 presidential election for Democrats before the candidate's even picked.
So, Obama decides that he's going to go back on his word and intentionally stick a thumb in eye of republicans. He decides not only to take an action intentionally designed to deliver a 'bleep you' to Congress by bypassing them, but he also steals the issue from Republicans by cutting their legs out from under them by not letting them get a chance to vote on it next year.
It's a very well, coldly calculated move. Obama knows he's unpopular and a lame duck, so he's sacrificing his own ability to get things done in the future in order to cut the legs out of the growing movement in the republican party that supports immigration reform.
tl;dr: Obama's shutting down any real chance at immigration reform by killing the republican movement in favor it and forcing them into a corner. It's brilliant from a partisan standpoint, but it's terrible for anyone who actually favors immigration reform.
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Every person subscribed to this forum knows in his/her heart what's necessary to "stop" Obama.
Do I need to post it once more?
(Why yes, that's just what I'm gonna do!)
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I can not articulate how detestable this man has become.
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I can not articulate how detestable this man has become.
Makes ole Billy Boy look like a piker!
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Obama is never going to be impeached - ever. He could cut the head off a hostage on live TV and the news media would blame the Tea Party for "creating an atmosphere of violence".
Forget it.
The GOP in Congress should sue in Federal court, and refuse to fund a blatantly unconstitutional Executive act. Let Obama bang his spoon on his highchair and threaten to "shut down" the government (or rather, let him try to blame the Republicans for doing what he's doing). That act has worn thin.
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He's doing it in Vegas because 1/3 of the population here is Hispanic...and a good chunk of that falls within the scope of his action.
He isn't going to be impeached, don't step into that bear trap. But even here where he does it, he is going to be really, really unpopular. Really unpopular. So unpopular that any Democratic candidate for president in 2016 is going to have the smell of that unpopularity all over them. Hillary should be the angriest person in the country today.
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I wonder if the blacks will realize they will be tossed away like a used prophylactic?
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I wonder if the blacks will realize they will be tossed away like a used prophylactic?
That should be tweeted to the Occupy Ferguson crowd and followers. Then retweeted for good measure.
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Rush is also saying they are trying to take away Session's chairmanship because they don't want anyone to buck Obama....did they not pay attention to the election...they won the majority to stop Obama...damn them!
The sole purpose of the Republican Party is to serve as an ineffective alternative to the Democrat Party.
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I was discussing this elsewhere, and got this reply. This guy is spot on.
Yeah it's a great analysis. It was posted on TOS yesterday by "Brownsfan". It will put the GOP in an interesting dilemma not wanting to piss on Latinos even more than they have, but not wanting Obama to get away with this blatant extra-legal, in-your-face tour de force.
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Yeah it's a great analysis. It was posted on TOS yesterday by "Brownsfan". It will put the GOP in an interesting dilemma not wanting to piss on Latinos even more than they have, but not wanting Obama to get away with this blatant extra-legal, in-your-face tour de force.
That's me.
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That's me.
Cool! And it was a good analysis of the situation.
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Cool! And it was a good analysis of the situation.
Yeah! Except for the FACT that no one wants the republicans to "work with" the Obama administration on anything!
They want Obama STOPPED whatever it takes to do that!
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Yeah! Except for the FACT that no one wants the republicans to "work with" the Obama administration on anything!
They want Obama STOPPED whatever it takes to do that!
I would make a crack about who hides the briefcase under the lectern but the watchers might not find the humor.
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Yeah! Except for the FACT that no one wants the republicans to "work with" the Obama administration on anything!
They want Obama STOPPED whatever it takes to do that!
Well obviously not everybody, but I'd agree probably less than before the election. OTOH, most Americans want the GOP to work across the aisle with the Democrats to fashion legislation.
http://online.wsj.com/articles/wsj-nbc-poll-finds-americans-want-parties-to-work-together-1416439838 (http://online.wsj.com/articles/wsj-nbc-poll-finds-americans-want-parties-to-work-together-1416439838)
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Well obviously not everybody, but I'd agree probably less than before the election. OTOH, most Americans want the GOP to work across the aisle with the Democrats to fashion legislation.
http://online.wsj.com/articles/wsj-nbc-poll-finds-americans-want-parties-to-work-together-1416439838 (http://online.wsj.com/articles/wsj-nbc-poll-finds-americans-want-parties-to-work-together-1416439838)
ONLY if that legislation they work across the aisle on serves to STOP OBAMA's imperial rule! Otherwise no!
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Polling is an excellent way for media to overturn election results by planting ideas in the mind of the public...
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He does this tonight. Soon the internet gets hit. Then the globalwarming/attackonwealth plan goes warp-speed. Oh Iran gets nukes Just a wonderful happy 2 years the dems will have. They are just so ecstatic in the White house these days. :chairbang: 8888crybaby **nononono*
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The "Overwhelm The Homeland" strategy is working beyond it's planner's wildest dreams.
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ONLY if that legislation they work across the aisle on serves to STOP OBAMA's imperial rule! Otherwise no!
Most people don't want to see Obama acting unilaterally at least not on the immigration issue. I don't think the 63% referred to in the article though were thinking about just stopping Obama's unilateral plans, but such cross-aisle efforts would take the focus off Obama...not that he'd like that.
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Polling is an excellent way for media to overturn election results by planting ideas in the mind of the public...
So are you saying that before the poll, respondents really didn't want Congress to work together to fashion legislation? I'm not sure how the polling overturned anything, as it appears people are generally happy to see some balance restored.
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Most people don't want to see Obama acting unilaterally at least not on the immigration issue. I don't think the 63% referred to in the article though were thinking about just stopping Obama's unilateral plans, but such cross-aisle efforts would take the focus off Obama...not that he'd like that.
I can't read your article and I'm not about to subscribe in order to but if you are talking about cross-aisle efforts to repeal the ACA or reign in the EPA or force the "Justice" Department to comply with the law I think you are right!
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THIS is what most Americans REALLY want!
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I can't read your article and I'm not about to subscribe in order to but if you are talking about cross-aisle efforts to repeal the ACA or reign in the EPA or force the "Justice" Department to comply with the law I think you are right!
I think the first paragraph told most of the story:
Some 63% Want Candidates Elected This Year to Broker Deals With Lawmakers From Across Aisle
By
Patrick O’Connor
Americans are largely pleased with the outcome of this month’s midterm elections but have little faith that Republican gains in the House and Senate will prompt the two parties to work more closely to solve the nation’s problems, a new Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll finds.
Don't know about your agenda for the GOP, but I do think the Democrats will go along with some of the Republican ideas on Obamacare, especially the device tax. After SCOTUS cuts the federal subsidies, the GOP will have another opportunity. Republicans will get Keystone approved by Congress, and while they'll have some difficulty with the EPA, they may be able to get some reasonable adjustments to its authority. I'd like to see them start on tax reform, which they can do early on. But remember, talking to the Democrats across the aisle will require some amount of compromise with their issues. That's the hard part. If Obama hadn't decided to go it alone on immigration, both parties could have reached an agreement, but not now.
Every bill they send Obama that has a reasonable Democrat representation on them will pay off in '16 regardless of whether BHO vetoes them or not.
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THIS is what most Americans REALLY want!
How do you know that?
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How do you know that?
Intuition!
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I'd like to see them start on tax reform, which they can do early on.
I'm not the least bit interested in "reforming" the current tax code! It's been reformed enough already!
I'd much rather just throw the entire Marxist mess onto the ash heap of history, where it properly belongs, and replace it with a point of retail sale only sales tax on new goods and services only!
http://fairtax.org (http://fairtax.org)
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Intuition!
I suppose we all have a little of that...
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I'm not the least bit interested in "reforming" the current tax code! It's been reformed enough already!
I'd much rather just throw the entire Marxist mess onto the ash heap of history, where it properly belongs, and replace it with a point of retail sale only sales tax on new goods and services only!
http://fairtax.org (http://fairtax.org)
Well given that world peace will occur just prior to that, I'd still like to see something akin to Simpson/Bowles. Lower all tax rates and end all credits, most exclusions, and loopholes. It would be a move toward fiscal responsibility. And we must pay off the debt we have incurred and not through currency inflation.
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I suppose we all have a little of that...
And I'll just bet you that I can come up with a poll just as relevant as your WSJ/NBC poll that supports that!
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Well given that world peace will occur just prior to that, ...
How do you know that?
I'd still like to see something akin to Simpson/Bowles. Lower all tax rates and end all credits, most exclusions, and loopholes. It would be a move toward fiscal responsibility. And we must pay off the debt we have incurred and not through currency inflation.
Knock yourself out! We've been through that exercise any number of times already and always end right back in the same place!!
Anything that retains the Marxist income tax and the IRS is guaranteed to be a loser in the cause of freedom.
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That's me.
Cool. I thought you were a Cincy fan for some reason. Browns fans are among the most dedicated in all of sports.
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And I'll just bet you that I can come up with a poll just as relevant as your WSJ/NBC poll that supports that!
You might just be able to do that. You do know that every poll everywhere for the past several years show congressional approval ratings lower and lower don't you? Do you think that might have anything to do with not working together on major issues?
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You might just be able to do that. You do know that every poll everywhere for the past several years show congressional approval ratings lower and lower don't you? Do you think that might have anything to do with not working together on major issues?
Nope! In fact, I think it is the EXACT opposite of that! I think that the ratings are sinking precisely because the current republican party leadership in Washington is signaling that they have COMPLETELY misinterpreted the election results!
The voters sent them to Washington to STOP Obama and they are signaling that they think they were sent there to work with Obama!
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How do you know that?
Several reasons. First Congress simply wouldn't give away that kind of power. The tax code is used to influence behavior, punish enemies and reward friends. Second, the growing income and wealth gaps are leading more and more Americans to want even more from the rich. Third, I'm not aware of any legislation on it getting past a first reading and ultimately being forwarded to committee to languish.
I think most legislators who have considered it understand that the large tax rate on it pays off only when the seller reduces prices by the same percentage. And taxes aren't the only influence on pricing policies. Finally without repealing the 16th Amendment, most people understand that ultimately we'd wind up with two large tax revenue pools instead of one.
Knock yourself out! We've been through that exercise any number of times already and always end right back in the same place!!
Anything that retains the Marxist income tax and the IRS is guaranteed to be a loser in the cause of freedom.
Well I know that both wealth and income taxes were around long before Marx was a gleam in daddy's eye. I want to see something positive done the next two years if I expect the GOP to hang around for another term.
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There are a GREAT many people out here in the hinterlands who, like me, have NO interest at all in getting along with Democrats! We want only to completely and utterly DEFEAT the Communist pukes once and for all!
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Nope! In fact, I think it is the EXACT opposite of that! I think that the ratings are sinking precisely because the current republican party leadership in Washington is signaling that they have COMPLETELY misinterpreted the election results!
The voters sent them to Washington to STOP Obama and they are signaling that they think they were sent there to work with Obama!
The ratings of Congress have been in the toilet for years Bigun. And if you understand something the polls don't then why are you opposed to impeachment? Wouldn't that stop Obama?
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There are a GREAT many people out here in the hinterlands who, like me, have NO interest at all in getting along with Democrats! We want only to completely and utterly DEFEAT the Communist pukes once and for all!
You chat with them regularly do you? I wouldn't know how to estimate such a group short of some kind of statistical sample. Do you?
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Well I know that both wealth and income taxes were around long before Marx was a gleam in daddy's eye.
Indeed they were and have NEVER worked out well for those having to live under them! A FACT the founders of this once great nation were clearly aware of!
And the FACT that Marx and Engles endorsed them right there in the Communist Manifesto makes them a MARXIST ideal in my book!
Here's the EXACT quote!
“The proletariat will use its political supremacy top wrest, by degrees, all capital from the bourgeoisie, to centralize all instruments of production in the hands of the State, i.e., of the proletariat organized as the ruling class; and to increase the total of productive forces as rapidly as possible. Of course, in the beginning, this cannot be effected except by means of despotic inroads on the rights of property, and on the conditions of bourgeois production; by means of measures, therefore, which appear economically insufficient and untenable, but which, in the course of the movement, outstrip themselves, necessitate further inroads upon the old social order, and are unavoidable as a means of entirely revolutionizing the mode of production. These measures will of course be different in different countries. Nevertheless in the most advanced countries, the following will be pretty generally applicable.
1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
3. Abolition of all right of inheritance.
4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.
6. Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.
7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
8. Equal liability of all to labor. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equable distribution of the population over the country.
10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, &c., &c.
When, in the course of development, class distinctions have disappeared, and all production has been concentrated in the hands of a vast association of the whole nation, the public power will lose its political character. Political power, properly so called, is merely the organized power of one class for oppressing another. If the proletariat during its contest with the bourgeoisie is compelled, by the force of circumstances, to organize itself as a class, if, by means of a revolution, it makes itself the ruling class, and, as such, sweeps away by force the old conditions of production, then it will, along with these conditions, have swept away the conditions for the existence of class antagonisms and of classes generally, and will thereby have abolished its own supremacy as a class. In place of the old bourgeois society, with its classes and class antagonisms, we shall have an association, in which the free development of each is the condition for the free development of all.”
Manifesto of the Communist Party, 1848, Chapter 2. Chapter II. Proletarians and Communists
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The ratings of Congress have been in the toilet for years Bigun. And if you understand something the polls don't then why are you opposed to impeachment? Wouldn't that stop Obama?
Yes they have and, I think, for the exact reason I have already stated! There are very few in Congress who will DO what I think the people are literally BEGGING them to do which is STAND UP AN FIGHT!
I am not opposed to impeachment in principle but I do fully grasp the FACT that the milquetoast people we currently have in the leadership of our party cannot and will not carry it off!
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You chat with them regularly do you? I wouldn't know how to estimate such a group short of some kind of statistical sample. Do you?
I know a few of them personally and many more via other means. I have been actively keeping my ear to the ground for quite along time now!
Can you tell me how Ted Cruz went from 2% name ID to the junior senator from Texas in the span of about a year? It sure as hell wasn't because he was reading these public consumption polls and doing what THEY suggest he should!
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Indeed they were and have NEVER worked out well for those having to live under them! A FACT the founders of this once great nation were clearly aware of!
And the FACT that Marx and Engles endorsed them right there in the Communist Manifesto makes them a MARXIST ideal in my book!
Here's the EXACT quote!
“The proletariat will use its political supremacy top wrest, by degrees, all capital from the bourgeoisie, to centralize all instruments of production in the hands of the State, i.e., of the proletariat organized as the ruling class; and to increase the total of productive forces as rapidly as possible. Of course, in the beginning, this cannot be effected except by means of despotic inroads on the rights of property, and on the conditions of bourgeois production; by means of measures, therefore, which appear economically insufficient and untenable, but which, in the course of the movement, outstrip themselves, necessitate further inroads upon the old social order, and are unavoidable as a means of entirely revolutionizing the mode of production. These measures will of course be different in different countries. Nevertheless in the most advanced countries, the following will be pretty generally applicable.
1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
3. Abolition of all right of inheritance.
4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.
6. Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.
7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
8. Equal liability of all to labor. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equable distribution of the population over the country.
10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, &c., &c.
When, in the course of development, class distinctions have disappeared, and all production has been concentrated in the hands of a vast association of the whole nation, the public power will lose its political character. Political power, properly so called, is merely the organized power of one class for oppressing another. If the proletariat during its contest with the bourgeoisie is compelled, by the force of circumstances, to organize itself as a class, if, by means of a revolution, it makes itself the ruling class, and, as such, sweeps away by force the old conditions of production, then it will, along with these conditions, have swept away the conditions for the existence of class antagonisms and of classes generally, and will thereby have abolished its own supremacy as a class. In place of the old bourgeois society, with its classes and class antagonisms, we shall have an association, in which the free development of each is the condition for the free development of all.”
Manifesto of the Communist Party, 1848, Chapter 2. Chapter II. Proletarians and Communists
So child labor laws are actually a Marxist thing...? :pondering:
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Yes they have and, I think, for the exact reason I have already stated! There are very few in Congress who will DO what I think the people are literally BEGGING them to do which is STAND UP AN FIGHT!
I am not opposed to impeachment in principle but I do fully grasp the FACT that the milquetoast people we currently have in the leadership of our party cannot and will not carry it off!
Still, why are you opposed to it. You know that the fight for the Fair Tax isn't going to ever see success, yet you are in favor of that. If you want your congress critters to stand up and fight, even though they may lose, why wouldn't you be in favor of impeachment?
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I know a few of them personally and many more via other means. I have been actively keeping my ear to the ground for quite along time now!
Can you tell me how Ted Cruz went from 2% name ID to the junior senator from Texas in the span of about a year? It sure as hell wasn't because he was reading these public consumption polls and doing what THEY suggest he should!
I can't answer that about Ted Cruz. I don't follow Texas politics that much other than a Ted Cruz would only make it to the senatorial ranks in a red state.
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Still, why are you opposed to it.
I just told you why!
You know that the fight for the Fair Tax isn't going to ever see success,...
No I DO NOT know that and please do not attempt to put words in my mouth!
... yet you are in favor of that.
Absolutely! I am in favor of FREEDOM and well know that we will never again be truly FREE for so long as we continue to abide the Marxist income tax and the IRS!
If you want your congress critters to stand up and fight, even though they may lose, why wouldn't you be in favor of impeachment?
If I could pick the people who would lead the process I would be but since YOU won't let me do that I'm not. The current leadership of the house and senate is not capable of managing the process properly IMHO and would thus doom it to failure!
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I just told you why!
No I DO NOT know that and please do not attempt to put words in my mouth!
Absolutely! I am in favor of FREEDOM and well know that we will never again be truly FREE for so long as we continue to abide the Marxist income tax and the IRS!
If I could pick the people who would lead the process I would be but since YOU won't let me do that I'm not. The current leadership of the house and senate is not capable of managing the process properly IMHO and would thus doom it to failure!
So your failure to be able to impeach is my fault? :silly:
You think Congress should stand up and fight for various causes without regard to what the American people want...but you don't want impeachment because you fear failure? Umm, okay.
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So your failure to be able to impeach is my fault? :silly:
You think Congress should stand up and fight for various causes without regard to what the American people want...but you don't want impeachment because you fear failure? Umm, okay.
You are areal piece of work MAC! A legend in you own mind!
I think readers of this thread will be able to discern what was said by whom very easily.
Have a GREAT evening!
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You are areal piece of work MAC! A legend in you own mind!
I think readers of this thread will be able to discern what was said by whom very easily.
Have a GREAT evening!
I'm sure you're right Bigun. You have a good evening too. ^-^
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I'm sure you're right Bigun. You have a good evening too. ^-^
Oil and water...... **nononono* :laugh: