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Can Chris Christie be the Republican Bill Clinton?
By: Rich Lowry
November 6, 2013 10:37 PM EST
Chris Christie couldn’t have been any more obvious about his 2016 intentions if he had begun his victory speech Tuesday with the words “my fellow Americans” and ended it with a balloon drop.
He offered New Jersey as an example for national healing. “Tonight,” he said, “a dispirited America, angry with their dysfunctional government in Washington, looks to New Jersey to say ‘Is what I think’s happening really happening? Are people really coming together?’”
Trenton, a nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
None of this was subtle, but Christie had certainly earned it. Almost every decision he’s made — sometimes blatantly and shamelessly so — has been geared to making the rubble bounce in his reelection and then using his crushing victory as a credential in an incipient national campaign. He succeeded brilliantly on his own terms.
In a state President Barack Obama won by 17 points in 2012, Christie won 60 percent overall. He won Latinos outright and took 21 percent of the black vote. He won women and men. He won high school graduates and people with advanced degrees. He won people making more than $200,000 and people making less than $50,000.
These numbers are eye-popping. If they were automatically transferable to the national stage, Hillary Clinton would have to give it up and content herself with giving $200,000 speeches for Goldman Sachs forevermore. But they aren’t.
As Henry Olsen of the Ethics and Public Policy Center points out, essentially uncontested races against badly overmatched opponents aren’t a predictor of anything. William Weld won 70 percent of the vote and every county in Massachusetts in his 1994 reelection as governor, then lost by 7 points to John Kerry in a 1996 Senate race in which the map of Massachusetts snapped back to its natural state.
Granted, getting into a position where you can run essentially uncontested against a badly overmatched opponent in a major race is an achievement in itself.
Christie’s implicit pitch to the national GOP will probably be that he’s to Republicans in the 2010s what Bill Clinton was to the Democrats in the 1990s. In other words, he offers a different kind of politics that can potentially unlock the presidency after a period of national futility for his party.
Like Clinton when he was governor of Arkansas in the 1980s, Christie is operating on hostile partisan and cultural territory, and managing to thrive by co-opting or neutralizing natural enemies.
Like the “explainer-in-chief,” Christie has a knack for public persuasion. The New Jersey governor’s relentless town halls during the fight for his public-sector reforms were model examples of making an argument fearlessly and effectively.
Like Clinton, who so famously felt people’s pain, Christie connects. He has a reputation for confrontation — rightly — but Christie’s emotional range is much broader. His response to Hurricane Sandy was, in part, a great act of empathy. Near the end of his victory speech, he spoke about hugging New Jerseyeans.
What Clinton had that Christie evidently lacks is a well-thought-out approach to his party’s predicament. Clinton had a new governing philosophy, embodied in the Democratic Leadership Council and its associated think tank, and expressed in a raft of new policy proposals. Chris Christie has an affect and a style of governance, plus a resounding victory over Barbara Buono.
If Christie’s message to the GOP is merely that it should look to what he did in the Garden State and be as wonderfully unifying as he is, it deserves to flop. It could come off as boastful and hectoring, and about as original as the average political discussion on NPR. Coupled with his various departures from conservative orthodoxy, it could be toxic.
For Christie to capitalize on the opportunity he has created for himself, he will need a conservative reform agenda. He should pick up the phone and call (202) 224-5444. That is Sen. Mike Lee’s office number. The Utah Republican is doing more than anyone else at the moment to forge a new middle-class-oriented platform for the party, and he sketched its outlines in an important talk at The Heritage Foundation last week.
In his victory speech, Christie spoke of being “one of you.” As Henry Olsen writes, Christie’s potential is in matching that Everyman appeal with substance. He could set out to make himself a Republican by and for the middle class in a substantive and stylistic departure for the contemporary party.
Congratulations on the big win, governor. Now show us what’s next.
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When we stop pretending "fly over" country is amber waves of high kicking teen aged drum majorettes, apple pie baking moms, steely eyed righteous parsons and boys enlisting and not hands out for subsidies farmers and electors of some of the most liberal senators in the nation's history, we can get started on righting this ship. I mentioned on another thread, all people vote their interests, whether it's obamaphones or ethanol subsidies.
A united electorate isn't rocket science. Find one basic issue, keep religion and race out of it and focus like a LASER. Everybody needs to eat. Everybody wants more money. Everybody wants more for their own.
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Christie has the potential. People who know him say he's the genuine article. But whether his tough guy persona will play well in Iowa remains to be seen. Giuliani had that same potential and look where it got him.
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Christie is being built up by the media so he can go down in flames against Hellary.
Nothing more...
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When we stop pretending "fly over" country is amber waves of high kicking teen aged drum majorettes, apple pie baking moms, steely eyed righteous parsons and boys enlisting and not hands out for subsidies farmers and electors of some of the most liberal senators in the nation's history, we can get started on righting this ship. I mentioned on another thread, all people vote their interests, whether it's obamaphones or ethanol subsidies.
A united electorate isn't rocket science. Find one basic issue, keep religion and race out of it and focus like a LASER. Everybody needs to eat. Everybody wants more money. Everybody wants more for their own.
Good point. The GOP gets so bogged down in the religion/social issue swamp that it drowns them.
Americans aren't as religious, or moral, as they were 30 years ago. Like it or not, it's true.
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Christie is being built up by the media so he can go down in flames against Hellary.
Nothing more...
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Good point. The GOP gets so bogged down in the religion/social issue swamp that it drowns them.
Americans aren't as religious, or moral, as they were 30 years ago. Like it or not, it's true.
I agree. It is what it is.
I was at a dinner party on Halloween. Politics came up, and the people there pretty well scoffed at the Tea Party because they perceived it exactly that way-like a resurgence of Pat Robertson. And one of them was a freedom-loving fiscal conservative who would buy into the TP philosophy if he was clear on what it was.
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I agree. It is what it is.
I was at a dinner party on Halloween. Politics came up, and the people there pretty well scoffed at the Tea Party because they perceived it exactly that way-like a resurgence of Pat Robertson. And one of them was a freedom-loving fiscal conservative who would buy into the TP philosophy if he was clear on what it was.
The TP started as grass roots, with no leader, no spokesman. Ideal for liberty. Each group was whatever they wanted to be with conservatism as a common thread. Conservatism in the sense of small government, and fiscal responsibility. Seemed like a good idea to me, but I didn't count on the efforts of the traitorous, liberal media.
If you have a loosely bound group consisting of many parts, it's easy to find the outliers and cast the whole group as conforming to the outlier's views. With no central body, and no national spokesperson, the target was just too easy for the media.
The media is expert at telling a stupid public what to think. Here is the current orthodoxy:
Republicans are very uncool, if you vote Republican, you can never be part of the "in" crowd like Kanye and Kim.
Republican = rich, old, angry, racist, white MEN.
Tea Party = extreme Republicans.
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I agree. It is what it is.
I was at a dinner party on Halloween. Politics came up, and the people there pretty well scoffed at the Tea Party because they perceived it exactly that way-like a resurgence of Pat Robertson. And one of them was a freedom-loving fiscal conservative who would buy into the TP philosophy if he was clear on what it was.
It's what's preventing good, blue-collar, Reagan Democrats from getting back.
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Wow...if he was the Republican Bill Clinton, he'd probably crush a few interns to death.
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The media is expert at telling a stupid public what to think.
Myself, I use every opportunity to open people's eyes to the lie that is our 'free press'.
Basically, I tell them that if they are relying on the TV to tell them what reality is, they are being lied to on a constant and consistent basis.
If they can't figure it out after that, well... I've done what I can do...
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Well, Chris Christie's On The Issues chart is similar to Bill Clinton's.
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Good point. The GOP gets so bogged down in the religion/social issue swamp that it drowns them.
Americans aren't as religious, or moral, as they were 30 years ago. Like it or not, it's true.
If that is true, and I think it is, the left have successfully used this, to portray the GOP as clinging to a past that will not return.
Too many GOP figures, give them examples. And the beat goes on.
One aspect of the Cucc loss which I have NOT seen discussed is going from McDonals 58% four years ago, to over 10% below that for Cucc. Could that partly be his social issues stridency?
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The TP started as grass roots, with no leader, no spokesman. Ideal for liberty ... but I didn't count on the efforts of the traitorous, liberal media.
If you have a loosely bound group consisting of many parts, it's easy to find the outliers and cast the whole group as conforming to the outlier's views. With no central body, and no national spokesperson, the target was just too easy for the media. ...
Great observation. Complete agreement.
What you described is an argument for the tea party to reach some accord or coalition with establishment GOP, rather than make an attempt at autonomy. We already have plenty of third parties.
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Why do we need a Republican Bill Clinton? Why not just vote for Hillary, the genuine article?
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Except Hillary is not pro-life or pro-traditional marriage or pro-business. Nor is Hillary for tax cuts or shrinking government spending as Chris Christie as governor of New Jersey has proven he is for.
With all due respect, your comparison is specious.
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The TP started as grass roots, with no leader, no spokesman. Ideal for liberty. Each group was whatever they wanted to be with conservatism as a common thread. Conservatism in the sense of small government, and fiscal responsibility. Seemed like a good idea to me, but I didn't count on the efforts of the traitorous, liberal media.
If you have a loosely bound group consisting of many parts, it's easy to find the outliers and cast the whole group as conforming to the outlier's views. With no central body, and no national spokesperson, the target was just too easy for the media.
The media is expert at telling a stupid public what to think.
That was exactly what I was trying to explain to them. I even read a book on the virtues of organizing that way--in loose clusters with no central organization--I can't remember the name of the book, and its driving me crazy.
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Except Hillary is not pro-life or pro-traditional marriage or pro-business. Nor is Hillary for tax cuts or shrinking government spending as Chris Christie as governor of New Jersey has proven he is for.
With all due respect, your comparison is specious.
Your comment just made me realize something, Christie's principles aren't very deep. For example, he was against obamacare, went against setting up exchanges and such until the first couple of Republican governors went with Medicaid expansion, then he went for it. Same thing with gun control and gay marriage.
He's not against anything as long as he isn't the first. He's not a leader, he's a follower.
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That was exactly what I was trying to explain to them. I even read a book on the virtues of organizing that way--in loose clusters with no central organization--I can't remember the name of the book, and its driving me crazy.
I don't know the name of the book either but it's a central principle in anti-government groups. Basic cell structure, prevents people from knowing co-conspirators.
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Remembered it! :woohoo:
The Starfish and the Spider (http://www.amazon.com/The-Starfish-Spider-Unstoppable-Organizations/dp/1591841836)
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Why do we need a Republican Bill Clinton? Why not just vote for Hillary, the genuine article?
Bingo. In just about every state in the union other than NJ, NY, CA or WA - Christie is a Democrat.
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Except Hillary is not pro-life or pro-traditional marriage or pro-business. Nor is Hillary for tax cuts or shrinking government spending as Chris Christie as governor of New Jersey has proven he is for.
With all due respect, your comparison is specious.
Neither is Christie. A tax cutter doesn't expand medicaid in their state. And the economy in NJ is absolutely nothing to write home about... Christie has done nothing to turn it around - unlike Perry in Texas for example.
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Can Chris Christie be the Republican Bill Clinton?
I don't know. Does he like cigars?
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Can Chris Christie be the Republican Bill Clinton?
I don't know. Does he like cigars?
Don't know about that, but the book Double Down says his wife has a really foul mouth - just like Hillary.
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I don’t think Christie is totally amoral like b Clinton however I’m not sure there is much daylight between them politically. Personally, I will never support anyone that is not an unabashed supporter of the 2nd amendment. That is my proverbial canary in the mine shaft. Anyone that would compromise on any part of the constitution would do so on other parts. Beyond that, anyone that doesn’t recognize the right of people to defend themselves is never to be trusted.
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That weight loss surgery he had has been know to cause mental issues.
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I agree. It is what it is.
I was at a dinner party on Halloween. Politics came up, and the people there pretty well scoffed at the Tea Party because they perceived it exactly that way-like a resurgence of Pat Robertson. And one of them was a freedom-loving fiscal conservative who would buy into the TP philosophy if he was clear on what it was.
I'll add "at the beginning" to what I bolded, say that it's my opinion. Taxed Enough Already in 2009 had nothing to do with immigration, or abortion, or anything outside of true capitalism, and leaving more money in the hands of consumers rather than having government redistribute it.
As with anything, though, different factions who were disappointed with the GOP, many including social conservatives, started to co-opt the Tea Party movement to the point it's become a bit of a parody of itself. I'm all for a new TEA movement that focuses solely on fiscal policy, and cutting the size of government. The social issues, frankly, are a battle the social conservatives are losing.
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I'm all for a new TEA movement that focuses solely on fiscal policy, and cutting the size of government. The social issues, frankly, are a battle the social conservatives are losing.
Absolutely. And, quite frankly, most social issues ought to be given the old - the real - liberal treatment (liberal as in John Stuart Mill and parties like the Australian Liberal Party), which is, namely, that they're a matter of private business that the government should generally not get involved with. Beyond that, the focus on social issues ought to be on protecting that same sphere of privacy so that social conservatives do not find themselves being forced to participate in social activities they abhor. Social conservatives have, unfortunately, not made that defense any sort of a priority and they are now beginning to suffer for it with things like Obamacare's insistence on forcing religious groups to offer things like contraceptives regardless of the fact that contraception is anathema to the groups' religious beliefs.
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Funny that the only people who keep indicating the TP is about social issues is the people who don't consider themselves TP in the first place. Anyone who has actually been to a rally knows it is about fiscal conservatism... if they would actually look at what TEA actually stands for they would know that
TEA - Taxed Enough Already. It really is that simple.. it's all about getting back to our constitution - while we still have one.
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Morals and character have not gone out of style it is just harder to find a person who has them. Christie will never get my vote he is a democrat and I will not vote for anyone who is a rhino. Guess what you people also aren't living in the mid west who are fed up with liberal eastern united states politics. You have no idea how fed up we are with liberals and rhinos maybe you will get to see in the 2014 election if not we can kiss our country and values all good bye. Tea partiers are the only people I have met with common sense anymore.
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Morals and character have not gone out of style it is just harder to find a person who has them. Christie will never get my vote he is a democrat and I will not vote for anyone who is a rhino. Guess what you people also aren't living in the mid west who are fed up with liberal eastern united states politics. You have no idea how fed up we are with liberals and rhinos maybe you will get to see in the 2014 election if not we can kiss our country and values all good bye. Tea partiers are the only people I have met with common sense anymore.
I have always wondered why more serial killers come from the central states.
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Good point. The GOP gets so bogged down in the religion/social issue swamp that it drowns them.
Americans aren't as religious, or moral, as they were 30 years ago. Like it or not, it's true.
Exactly, Relic! And it doesn't translate that we're "anti-religion" or anything like that.
I cherish my growing up Catholic and having a Jesuit education.
But leave the bible with your coat in the coatroom when it comes to winning elections in today's USA.
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Christie is being built up by the media so he can go down in flames against Hellary.
Nothing more...
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Exactly, Relic! And it doesn't translate that we're "anti-religion" or anything like that.
I cherish my growing up Catholic and having a Jesuit education.
But leave the bible with your coat in the coatroom when it comes to winning elections in today's USA.
You're the one who brought religion into the thread - ergo accusing those of us who don't kneel at the alter of Christie of being rabid socons..........
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You're the one who brought religion into the thread - ergo accusing those of us who don't kneel at the alter of Christie of being rabid socons..........
I did nothing of the sort.
Furthermore, all I was doing was expressing my liking the current flavor of the month. Chris Christie.
It doesn't mean I'm not going to fall in love with somebody else before the 2016 convention.
And all I attempted to do was show his 'positives'....and all you wanted to do was bite my head off and then top it off by telling me you'd sit it out and not vote.
You wanna dance again, Rap? :laugh:
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I did nothing of the sort.
Furthermore, all I was doing was expressing my liking the current flavor of the month. Chris Christie.
It doesn't mean I'm not going to fall in love with somebody else before the 2016 convention.
And all I attempted to do was show his 'positives'....and all you wanted to do was bite my head off and then top it off by telling me you'd sit it out and not vote.
You wanna dance again, Rap? :laugh:
I don't think any of us should "fall in love" before the debates and until we know who is running, but that i JMHO....... and this is your quote BTW my friend:
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Opinions/Blogs / Re: Grover Norquist Calls Christie a ‘Strong Voice for Conservative Governance’
« on: Today at 04:18:27 PM »
Quote from: Rapunzel on Today at 04:15:34 PM
What is that supposed to mean?
It means I'm sick and tired of SOCONS dictating the path the GOP must take. That's what it's supposed to mean.
SOCONS = Social Conservatives. No one here was even discussing social conservatives in re: Christie.
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[[ Find one basic issue, keep religion and race out of it ]]
So long as one of the parties continues to do everything possible to drive religion out of America, and so long as that same party continues to do everything possible to push the issue of race to the forefront in a one-sided attack against the Euro-majority, what you wish for is impossible.
Won't happen.
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[[ Christie is being built up by the media so he can go down in flames against Hellary.
Nothing more... ]]
Dan the gourmet man nails it.
The non-support of the national democrats, producing a low turnout and "lopsided" election (Christie seemed to win "support" amongst Hispanics because few turned out as a whole, and those who did were predisposed to vote for him, thus "increasing" his percentage of the vote), is a set-up.
They're hoping that Christie will rise amongst Republicans like a gaseous new Hindenburg, and then they're going to break out the matches in '16...
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I don't think any of us should "fall in love" before the debates and until we know who is running, but that i JMHO....... and this is your quote BTW my friend:
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Opinions/Blogs / Re: Grover Norquist Calls Christie a ‘Strong Voice for Conservative Governance’
« on: Today at 04:18:27 PM »
Quote from: Rapunzel on Today at 04:15:34 PM
What is that supposed to mean?
SOCONS = Social Conservatives. No one here was even discussing social conservatives in re: Christie.
Since when does typing the word SOCON denote religion? WTH??
There are many people that have social conservative POVs that are not religious.
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[[ But leave the bible with your coat in the coatroom when it comes to winning elections in today's USA. ]]
No RINO could have said it more succinctly...
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[[ But leave the bible with your coat in the coatroom when it comes to winning elections in today's USA. ]]
No RINO could have said it more succinctly...
I'm a Republican because I was always self-employed. Since my paper route when I was twelve.
I ironed my own shirts. And folded my own clothes. And put them away. Since I was eight.
I'm a Republican because at a critical time in my life when politics mattered, Reagan was the candidate.
I'm a Republican today because the Democrats are the Enemy Within.
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I'm a Republican because I was always self-employed. Since my paper route when I was twelve.
I ironed my own shirts. And folded my own clothes. And put them away. Since I was eight.
I'm a Republican because at a critical time in my life when politics mattered, Reagan was the candidate.
I'm a Republican today because the Democrats are the Enemy Within.
No. Sorry. You're wrong. Someone's opinion is that you're a RINO. Therefore, you're not what you say you are. Get it? You have been judged. Sentence has been passed. Deal with it.
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No. Sorry. You're wrong. Someone's opinion is that you're a RINO. Therefore, you're not what you say you are. Get it? You have been judged. Sentence has been passed. Deal with it.
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Except Hillary is not pro-life or pro-traditional marriage or pro-business. Nor is Hillary for tax cuts or shrinking government spending as Chris Christie as governor of New Jersey has proven he is for.
With all due respect, your comparison is specious.
Christie is only "Pro-life" or pro anything for political convenience. In that regard he is exactly like Bill Clinton. Neither has any real core, except promoting himself. Neither has any real moral character either.
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Christie is only "Pro-life" or pro anything for political convenience. In that regard he is exactly like Bill Clinton. Neither has any real core, except promoting himself. Neither has any real moral character either.
Exactly.
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Christie is only "Pro-life" or pro anything for political convenience. In that regard he is exactly like Bill Clinton. Neither has any real core, except promoting himself. Neither has any real moral character either.
http://www.lifenews.com/2011/01/24/new-jersey-governor-chris-christie-headlines-pro-life-rally/
From lifenews:
New Jersey Governor Chris Christie continued the strong relationship he’s developed with pro-life advocates in the northeastern state by attending and speaking at the Rally for Life at the Statehouse steps today.
New Jersey Right to Life is the sponsor of the event that received more publicity thanks in part to the governor’s appearance.
“I stand with you,” on opposing abortion, the governor told the crowd, and “with each and every one of those precious human lives.”
15 years ago, before Christie sought political office, Christie had a change of heart:
Talking about his own views, Christie added: “As you all may know this is not an issue that I always understood nor was I always on your side. It is an issue I came to grow and learn about in a very personal way. My daughter Sarah will turn 15 in February. When I heard her heartbeat at three months in our doctor’s office, it was at that moment that it became clear to me that being on the sidelines on this issue was not something I could live with. I needed to speak out in favor of a very simple idea, that that child is a life which deserves protection.”
As a Christian, I believe in redemption, I believe a person's heart can change.
Christie is pro-life.
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Me too. I believe him here.
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http://www.lifenews.com/2011/01/24/new-jersey-governor-chris-christie-headlines-pro-life-rally/
From lifenews:
15 years ago, before Christie sought political office, Christie had a change of heart:
Talking about his own views, Christie added: “As you all may know this is not an issue that I always understood nor was I always on your side. It is an issue I came to grow and learn about in a very personal way. My daughter Sarah will turn 15 in February. When I heard her heartbeat at three months in our doctor’s office, it was at that moment that it became clear to me that being on the sidelines on this issue was not something I could live with. I needed to speak out in favor of a very simple idea, that that child is a life which deserves protection.”
As a Christian, I believe in redemption, I believe a person's heart can change.
Christie is pro-life.
I will say this AC, Chris Christie leaves a bad taste in my mouth anymore. As a person that regards herself as a "southerner", I'll acknowledge a degree of pre-judging him because he is a "yankee" conservative and that is different than a southern conservative. Yankee conservatives are needed where they are at.
Which brings me to this, Rudy Guiliani. When he was running - I liked him for New York - but for a lot of the same reasons I don't like Christie, I didn't like him for the rest of the country.
I'll say it now that in retrospect - I would one million times rather Guiliani have won than Obama. But the fix is in. Elections in America are pretty much rigged and I have little faith in the process. We must win by such a huge margin to offset that and that is our challenge.
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http://www.lifenews.com/2011/01/24/new-jersey-governor-chris-christie-headlines-pro-life-rally/
From lifenews:
15 years ago, before Christie sought political office, Christie had a change of heart:
Talking about his own views, Christie added: “As you all may know this is not an issue that I always understood nor was I always on your side. It is an issue I came to grow and learn about in a very personal way. My daughter Sarah will turn 15 in February. When I heard her heartbeat at three months in our doctor’s office, it was at that moment that it became clear to me that being on the sidelines on this issue was not something I could live with. I needed to speak out in favor of a very simple idea, that that child is a life which deserves protection.”
As a Christian, I believe in redemption, I believe a person's heart can change.
Christie is pro-life.
Which explains why he isn't a Democrat! People who hold such views are decidedly unwelcome in that party these days!
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Funny that the only people who keep indicating the TP is about social issues is the people who don't consider themselves TP in the first place. Anyone who has actually been to a rally knows it is about fiscal conservatism... if they would actually look at what TEA actually stands for they would know that
TEA - Taxed Enough Already. It really is that simple.. it's all about getting back to our constitution - while we still have one.
THANK you!
It is the left who has tried to conflate social issues with what the Tea Party is all about. As one who still participates (as I am able) in our local Tea Party, it is the same as it has been from the beginning, about fiscal conservatism and faithfulness to the Constitution.
Those who participate in it are by and large social conservatives, but that's not what the Tea Party is about.
As a strong pro-lifer, I get my social conservative information from other sources......NOT from the Tea Party.
Both social conservatives and the Tea Party are being smeared by left and right alike.
It's sad to see it being done here.............
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Exactly, Relic! And it doesn't translate that we're "anti-religion" or anything like that.
I cherish my growing up Catholic and having a Jesuit education.
But leave the bible with your coat in the coatroom when it comes to winning elections in today's USA.
If one is a Christian......a true Christ-follower.......... the teachings of Jesus are inside you, and radiate from you.
You can no more discard them than fly to the moon (without a spaceship).
What you are asking is that Christians running for political office deny the very essence of who they are.
That, my friend, aside from being impossible, is the precise opposite of what this country needs.
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Which explains why he isn't a Democrat! People who hold such views are decidedly unwelcome in that party these days!
Unwelcome???
They're tarred and feathered and run out of town on a rail.
You cannot be a national Democrat candidate and have a shred of respect for the unborn. You will be accused of hating women and be told to get lost.....
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Very well said, MusicLady:
If one is a Christian......a true Christ-follower.......... the teachings of Jesus are inside you, and radiate from you.
You can no more discard them than fly to the moon (without a spaceship).
What you are asking is that Christians running for political office deny the very essence of who they are.
That, my friend, aside from being impossible, is the precise opposite of what this country needs.
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Very well said, MusicLady:
If one is a Christian......a true Christ-follower.......... the teachings of Jesus are inside you, and radiate from you.
You can no more discard them than fly to the moon (without a spaceship).
What you are asking is that Christians running for political office deny the very essence of who they are.
That, my friend, aside from being impossible, is the precise opposite of what this country needs.
Thank you, sir! :patriot:
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Unwelcome???
They're tarred and feathered and run out of town on a rail.
You cannot be a national Democrat candidate and have a shred of respect for the unborn. You will be accused of hating women and be told to get lost.....
That would seem to me to be decidedly unwelcome but perhaps I should have said ...will not be tolerated instead.
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That would seem to me to be decidedly unwelcome but perhaps I should have said ...will not be tolerated instead.
That's OK, Bigun. I appreciated your understatement. :patriot: