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General Category => National/Breaking News => Topic started by: libertybele on July 09, 2020, 01:19:34 pm
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Yet another conflicting piece of research! First don't wear masks, then wear masks, then masks don't protect wearer and now masks protect wearer :shrug:
Wearing a mask cuts own risk of novel coronavirus by 65 percent, experts say
A range of new research now suggests that masks also protect the wearer
Health experts have stressed the importance of wearing a mask to limit the possibility of infecting others with COVID-19, but a range of new research now suggests they also protect the wearer, according to a report Monday.
With many states implementing policies to make face coverings mandatory in both indoor and outdoor spaces, one doctor says that masks also reduce the risk of infection to the wearer by 65 percent.
"We've learned more due to research and additional scientific evidence and now we know [that] not only wearing a mask prevents the person wearing the mask to transmit to others, but wearing the mask protects the person who's wearing it," said Dean Blumberg, chief of pediatric infectious diseases at UC Davis Children’s Hospital.
"So the wearer of the mask, even the standard rectangular surgical masks ... will decrease the risk of infection by the person wearing the mask by about 65 percent."
He added that N95 masks do an even better job at protecting people from the virus, but they are in short supply and are needed for healthcare professionals.
https://www.foxnews.com/health/wearing-mask-cuts-own-risk-novel-coronavirus-65-percent-experts-say (https://www.foxnews.com/health/wearing-mask-cuts-own-risk-novel-coronavirus-65-percent-experts-say)
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If I may be so bold as to make a suggestion @libertybele, Stop listening to all the BS and use your own perfectly functioning brain to sort out the facts and decide for yourself.
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My theory has always been science is not driving the mask/nomask discussion. It's product availability. In the beginning (February) there were nowhere near enough masks available to try to force the general population to wear them, and that changed, not because of new revelations about the utility of masks, but because mask inventories had been ramped up.
Now that there are plenty of masks, the government masters are free to demand 100% compliance. And so we see people like the Governor of Texas, not known for obeisance, mandating the wearing of masks. For all his good works and atta-boys, Abbot will be remembered for this cowardly cave-in, and that's too bad for him. There's a rule in the corporate world: One "Aw-shit" cancels all previous "Atta-boys."
After paying the price for standing up to the left-bleep, Abbot will now pay a price for capitulating and his "friends list" collapses. This will be the highest office Abbot will ever hold...a career-ender.
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My theory has always been science is not driving the mask/nomask discussion. It's product availability. In the beginning (February) there were nowhere near enough masks available to try to force the general population to wear them, and that changed, not because of new revelations about the utility of masks, but because mask inventories had been ramped up.
Now that there are plenty of masks, the government masters are free to demand 100% compliance. And so we see people like the Governor of Texas, not known for obeisance, mandating the wearing of masks. For all his good works and atta-boys, Abbot will be remembered for this cowardly cave-in, and that's too bad for him. There's a rule in the corporate world: One "Aw-shit" cancels all previous "Atta-boys."
After paying the price for standing up to the left-bleep, Abbot will now pay a price for capitulating and his "friends list" collapses. This will be the highest office Abbot will ever hold...a career-ender.
:yowsa: pointing-up
And he knows it!
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:yowsa: pointing-up
And he knows it!
I just hope that now he's mortally damaged (and knows it), he doesn't cave to the Rats on anything from now until the next Governor.
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I just hope that now he's mortally damaged (and knows it), he doesn't cave to the Rats on anything from now until the next Governor.
Unfortunately, he already is doing that.
Texas Gov. Greg Abbott signals support as Austin weighs fines for people not wearing face masks (https://www.texastribune.org/2020/07/08/greg-abbott-austin-coronavirus-masks/)
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Unfortunately, he already is doing that.
Texas Gov. Greg Abbott signals support as Austin weighs fines for people not wearing face masks (https://www.texastribune.org/2020/07/08/greg-abbott-austin-coronavirus-masks/)
Dang, when they fold like a cheap suit, they go full-scale John Roberts level caving-in to do it.
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My theory has always been science is not driving the mask/nomask discussion. It's product availability. In the beginning (February) there were nowhere near enough masks available to try to force the general population to wear them, and that changed, not because of new revelations about the utility of masks, but because mask inventories had been ramped up.
Now that there are plenty of masks, the government masters are free to demand 100% compliance. And so we see people like the Governor of Texas, not known for obeisance, mandating the wearing of masks. For all his good works and atta-boys, Abbot will be remembered for this cowardly cave-in, and that's too bad for him. There's a rule in the corporate world: One "Aw-shit" cancels all previous "Atta-boys."
After paying the price for standing up to the left-bleep, Abbot will now pay a price for capitulating and his "friends list" collapses. This will be the highest office Abbot will ever hold...a career-ender.
A lot has been done during every crisis "to do something".
It has never really matter if what was being done actually did anything useful or even made things worse.
"Doing something" was the cause into itself to show leadership and that "we care" and that "we are in control".
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A lot has been done during every crisis "to do something".
It has never really matter if what was being done actually did anything useful or even made things worse.
"Doing something" was the cause into itself to show leadership and that "we care" and that "we are in control".
:yowsa: pointing-up
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If I may be so bold as to make a suggestion @libertybele, Stop listening to all the BS and use your own perfectly functioning brain to sort out the facts and decide for yourself.
My perfectly functioning brain tells me if there is even the slightest chance that a mask helps I have no problem wearing one. Do I trust any supposed "research", from the CDC, the WHO, Fauci and others? Absolutely not. Doctors, nurses and medical personnel are wearing masks -- you can't get into many places without one -- so, I wear one and have been wearing one for months. I've had antiviral masks on hand for years -- so I'm using them.
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"We've learned more due to research and additional scientific evidence and now we know [that] ...
We've learned more due to research and additional scientific evidence and now we know [that] wrapping yourself in salami and walking around with a banana in your butt prevents infection entirely. According to our data no one thus equipped has been infected to this date.
*****rollingeyes*****
Ex-spurts.
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"experts" *snort*
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My perfectly functioning brain tells me if there is even the slightest chance that a mask helps I have no problem wearing one. Do I trust any supposed "research", from the CDC, the WHO, Fauci and others? Absolutely not. Doctors, nurses and medical personnel are wearing masks -- you can't get into many places without one -- so, I wear one and have been wearing one for months. I've had antiviral masks on hand for years -- so I'm using them.
I'm good with that @libertybele. I've decided that I'm not going to wear one because I think them to be completely useless but I'm ok with you taking a different tact.
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"experts" *snort*
X = quality or quantity unknown.
Spurt = a drip under pressure.
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A lot has been done during every crisis "to do something".
It has never really matter if what was being done actually did anything useful or even made things worse.
"Doing something" was the cause into itself to show leadership and that "we care" and that "we are in control".
That's right. And to a degree, that's fair...
Emergency happens and there is no solution, throw everything you have at the wall and see what sticks... But fairly early on, logic must begin to dictate. That is not happening here.
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My perfectly functioning brain tells me if there is even the slightest chance that a mask helps I have no problem wearing one. Do I trust any supposed "research", from the CDC, the WHO, Fauci and others? Absolutely not. Doctors, nurses and medical personnel are wearing masks -- you can't get into many places without one -- so, I wear one and have been wearing one for months. I've had antiviral masks on hand for years -- so I'm using them.
I'm OK with that, too, @libertybele. As in other aspects of life, I apply a risk analysis to the question of whether or not to wear a mask. While there may be a molecule of benefit from wearing one, it's not 100% risk-free, especially for people who have some trouble breathing. Each of us must make that calculation for ourselves, and most choose to just limit face-to-face contact as much as possible, by using things like curbside pickup, direct delivery and telemedicine. Then the mask question is moot.
Being considerate, most of us will keep a mask handy and don it if we are asked nicely by somebody who decided their risk differently, or if it's necessary to go into a store or office to conduct necessary business. I have a "Trump 2020" mask for such exigent circumstances, just to piss them off.
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That's right. And to a degree, that's fair...
Emergency happens and there is no solution, throw everything you have at the wall and see what sticks... But fairly early on, logic must begin to dictate. That is not happening here.
I disagree, just a little: There IS logic dictating here, but it's not what we're being told. Above I mentioned it was probably the availability of masks that caused them to flip-flop, not the understanding of how well/poorly they perform as advertised. The efficacy of the action is not even in the bureaucratic decision making process.
This same logic was being applied by the Governors of Michigan and Nevada when they tried to outlaw the use of HCQ with Zinc and Z-Paks. It wasn't because it was thought to be harmful, it was because they didn't want a run on the supplies of HCQ before carving out the share for themselves and the State-run health systems.
It's like the run on toilet paper, minus the laffs.
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I'm OK with that, too, @libertybele. As in other aspects of life, I apply a risk analysis to the question of whether or not to wear a mask. While there may be a molecule of benefit from wearing one, it's not 100&% risk-free, especially for people who have some trouble breathing. Each of us must make that calculation for ourselves, and most choose to just limit face-to-face contact as much as possible, by using things like curbside pickup, direct delivery and telemedicine. Then the mask question is moot.
Being considerate, most of us will keep a mask handy and don it if we are asked nicely by somebody who decided their risk differently, or if it's necessary to go into a store or office to conduct necessary business. I have a "Trump 2020" mask for such exigent circumstances, just to piss them off.
888high58888 I woke up this morning and opened the blinds and noticed that our new neighbors across the street put up a large Trump 2020 flag in his yard. They'll fit into the neighborhood quite nicely. happy77
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Being considerate, most of us will keep a mask handy and don it if we are asked nicely [...]
I don't consider that 'being considerate'. I consider that to be exactly the same as being asked nicely to wear a 'black lives matter' hat. I consider it rude, and an intrusion. Protect yourself, fine. Leave me the hell alone. If you don't like it, you are perfectly welcome to 'social distance' yourself. *****rollingeyes*****
Nobody is making you stand by me.
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Thus far I have twice been asked by local businesses to wear a mask. In both instances, I politely declined and informed them that I would do my shopping elsewhere.
I support their right to require them.
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I disagree, just a little: There IS logic dictating here, but it's not what we're being told. Above I mentioned it was probably the availability of masks that caused them to flip-flop, not the understanding of how well/poorly they perform as advertised. The efficacy of the action is not even in the bureaucratic decision making process.
This same logic was being applied by the Governors of Michigan and Nevada when they tried to outlaw the use of HCQ with Zinc and Z-Paks. It wasn't because it was thought to be harmful, it was because they didn't want a run on the supplies of HCQ before carving out the share for themselves and the State-run health systems.
It's like the run on toilet paper, minus the laffs.
Nah. Then why the moves to outlaw HCQ and penalize doctors for prescribing it off-standard? There was never a shortage of HCQ, and it is the easiest and cheapest and quickest to manufacture.
This is nothing but a giant political game of 'hide the sausage' tied to a gargantuan political, grant, and civil monetary pinata.
And in the mean time, the virus does what a virus does... Not a damn thing is stopping it.
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Thus far I have twice been asked by local businesses to wear a mask. In both instances, I politely declined and informed them that I would do my shopping elsewhere.
I support their right to require them.
That's fine. me too... Never to return, if I can help it.
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888high58888 I woke up this morning and opened the blinds and noticed that our new neighbors across the street put up a large Trump 2020 flag in his yard. They'll fit into the neighborhood quite nicely. happy77
I'm seeing a lot of that in my neighborhood too, along with a healthy number of Gadsden "Don't Tread On Me" flags (I have two, one of them says "Don't F*** With Me."). We sell a lot of them at the GOP HQ. We just beefed up our Trump inventory, it's selling like hotcakes. And yeah, we sell the masks....lol.
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I don't consider that 'being considerate'. I consider that to be exactly the same as being asked nicely to wear a 'black lives matter' hat. I consider it rude, and an intrusion. Protect yourself, fine. Leave me the hell alone. If you don't like it, you are perfectly welcome to 'social distance' yourself. *****rollingeyes*****
Nobody is making you stand by me.
I see your point, but I don't share it. There's a slight difference OBLM hat and a plain paper mask.
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Just to make things perfectly clear, I support the right of a private business to impose any requirement he chooses for potential customers to do business with them.
I do not, in any way, support any blanket government mandates.
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Nah. Then why the moves to outlaw HCQ and penalize doctors for prescribing it off-standard? There was never a shortage of HCQ, and it is the easiest and cheapest and quickest to manufacture.
This is nothing but a giant political game of 'hide the sausage' tied to a gargantuan political, grant, and civil monetary pinata.
And in the mean time, the virus does what a virus does... Not a damn thing is stopping it.
There may be nothing that is stopping it as it runs its natural course, but there is no shortage of charlatans claiming it was their efforts making the death rate go down. The "I told you so brigade."
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I see your point, but I don't share it. There's a slight difference OBLM hat and a plain paper mask.
None at all... both are nothing but a political statement. Neither is effective for its stated purpose.
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Just to make things perfectly clear, I support the right of a private business to impose any requirement he chooses for potential customers to do business with them.
I do not, in any way, support any blanket government mandates.
As do I. The final go/no go decisions may differ, but the core philosophy of "let the business owner decide" remains the same.
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None at all... both are nothing but a political statement. Neither is effective for its stated purpose.
I am generally not in the mood to have to explain to low-information people why I think they're FOS. Sometimes I will, but not often. It's more to do with my normal interactions in life than it is because of the man-made crisis underway.
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I am generally not in the mood to have to explain to low-information people why I think they're FOS. Sometimes I will, but not often. It's more to do with my normal interactions in life than it is because of the man-made crisis underway.
*Shrugs* No diatribe from me IRL either. I am old and grumpy, short and to the point... In a curt but civil "Kindly GFY" kinda way.
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My perfectly functioning brain tells me if there is even the slightest chance that a mask helps I have no problem wearing one. Do I trust any supposed "research", from the CDC, the WHO, Fauci and others? Absolutely not. Doctors, nurses and medical personnel are wearing masks -- you can't get into many places without one -- so, I wear one and have been wearing one for months. I've had antiviral masks on hand for years -- so I'm using them.
So you're going to start wearing a mask during every cold and flu season for the rest of your life? And if so why haven't you been doing this n the past if masks work so well?
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So you're going to start wearing a mask during every cold and flu season for the rest of your life? And if so why haven't you been doing this n the past if masks work so well?
Lord knows how we ever made it this far, right? How did all those folks survive? You know, way back in 2019 and all those centuries befroe... *****rollingeyes*****
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So you're going to start wearing a mask during every cold and flu season for the rest of your life? And if so why haven't you been doing this n the past if masks work so well?
Actually I have worn masks during flu season. During flu season especially I carry hand sanitizer on me as well.
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Actually I have worn masks during flu season. During flu season especially I carry hand sanitizer on me as well.
Ok so you do that because you make the choice...not because someone is forcing you. Good for you.
Do you see the difference?
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Lord knows how we ever made it this far, right? How did all those folks survive? You know, way back in 2019 and all those centuries befroe... *****rollingeyes*****
I'm wondering now how we ever survived every single cold and flu season in the half century I've been on this rock. Much less SARS, Seine Flue and H1N1 without the overlords of the Federal and State governments forcing us to do things against our will.
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Ok so you do that because you make the choice...not because someone is forcing you. Good for you.
Do you see the difference?
??? Of course I see the difference.
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??? Of course I see the difference.
I'm sure you do. You've been posting on this issue for some time, and you've been perfectly consistent about that. You are more cautious than most, you have good reason to be, and you're clear others can reasonably choose differently.
Did I get that about right, @libertybele? :0001:
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I'm sure you do. You've been posting on this issue for some time, and you've been perfectly consistent about that. You are more cautious than most, you have good reason to be, and you're clear others can reasonably choose differently.
Did I get that about right, @libertybele? :0001:
Yes. It is my opinion that IF we were to ALL wear masks it would cut back on the spread of this virus and I think wearing a mask at this point is just being considerate of one another. It IS a PERSONAL CHOICE though. There are those who can't tolerate mask wearing for whatever reason. I've seen people wearing masks while jogging or walking the park. Frankly, I think that's a bit extreme, but to each his/her own. I don't wear a mask as I walk the parks, as I don't see a reason to, nor do I wear a mask in my vehicle or through the drive-thrus. I wear one inside businesses; banks, grocery stores, retail, medical facilities, etc.
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Yes. It is my opinion that IF we were to ALL wear masks it would cut back on the spread of this virus and I think wearing a mask at this point is just being considerate of one another. It IS a PERSONAL CHOICE though. There are those who can't tolerate mask wearing for whatever reason. I've seen people wearing masks while jogging or walking the park. Frankly, I think that's a bit extreme, but to each his/her own. I don't wear a mask as I walk the parks, as I don't see a reason to, nor do I wear a mask in my vehicle or through the drive-thrus. I wear one inside businesses; banks, grocery stores, retail, medical facilities, etc.
:patriot: :beer:
We're together on this. I should have your baby.... :laugh: :police:
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:patriot: :beer:
We're together on this. I should have your baby.... :laugh: :police:
:rolling: :rolling: :rolling: :rolling:
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Yes. It is my opinion that IF we were to ALL wear masks it would cut back on the spread of this virus
I would consider this (and I truly would), except in that everywhere it has been tried (mandated, imposed), it hasn't worked. It hasn't worked at all. At the same time as draconian impositions in big cities back east, testing extrapolation suggests that the virus grew in the wild to a 25% infection rate or more. And in time, those extrapolations proved to be true.
It doesn't work. And, I might add, to the degree that it does work, it only serves to suppress, and in that suppression, presumably causes the virus to linger. And the longer it lingers, the more vectors intrude upon those like you that need protections. To protect the frail and the elderly, the sooner it is over, the more likely their quarantines will be successful.
I am opposed for real and vital reasons. This, all of this, is exactly the wrong thing to do.
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Yes. It is my opinion that IF we were to ALL wear masks it would cut back on the spread of this virus and I think wearing a mask at this point is just being considerate of one another. It IS a PERSONAL CHOICE though. There are those who can't tolerate mask wearing for whatever reason. I've seen people wearing masks while jogging or walking the park. Frankly, I think that's a bit extreme, but to each his/her own. I don't wear a mask as I walk the parks, as I don't see a reason to, nor do I wear a mask in my vehicle or through the drive-thrus. I wear one inside businesses; banks, grocery stores, retail, medical facilities, etc.
Frankly the virus needs to spread. The more we hide out from it the longer this is going to last. Short of a vaccine it is pretty much inevitable that nearly everyone is going to get it.
The key consideration is hospital utilization. As long as the hospitals are not near triage then it needs to spread so we can get it behind us. The hospital utilization measure and response if near triage should be a local issue short of the state and federal government helping to provide additional resources. It varies widely from location to location. One size does not fit all. If the hospitals are not overloaded dragging this out only causes additional economic damage without any benefit.
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Frankly the virus needs to spread. The more we hide out from it the longer this is going to last. Short of a vaccine it is pretty much inevitable that nearly everyone is going to get it.
The key consideration is hospital utilization. As long as the hospitals are not near triage then it needs to spread so we can get it behind us. The hospital utilization measure and response if near triage should be a local issue short of the state and federal government helping to provide additional resources. It varies widely from location to location. One size does not fit all. If the hospitals are not overloaded dragging this out only causes additional economic damage without any benefit.
Precisely right. You can't 'flatten' the curve. The way through is to beat the curve. Stay ahead of it.
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Frankly the virus needs to spread. The more we hide out from it the longer this is going to last. Short of a vaccine it is pretty much inevitable that nearly everyone is going to get it.
The key consideration is hospital utilization. As long as the hospitals are not near triage then it needs to spread so we can get it behind us. The hospital utilization measure and response if near triage should be a local issue short of the state and federal government helping to provide additional resources. It varies widely from location to location. One size does not fit all. If the hospitals are not overloaded dragging this out only causes additional economic damage without any benefit.
Oh, the virus is indeed spreading at warp speed. ???? The hospitals ARE overloaded. They are bringing in nurses and doctors from other areas to help. Elective surgeries and procedures continue to get cancelled -- so those people aren't getting the help that they need. TX is seeing triple digit deaths in one day. FL hospitals are overwhelmed as well; we have over 60 hospitals that don't even have an ICU unit -- so critical patients are having to be transported to wherever. My county today reached 100% bed capacity and they are now scrambling to get staff to take care of those patients. God forbid if you have any kind of emergency right now.
Both of these states have huge populations and not enough hospital rooms, beds, or medical personnel.
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Oh, the virus is indeed spreading at warp speed. ???? The hospitals ARE overloaded. They are bringing in nurses and doctors from other areas to help. Elective surgeries and procedures continue to get cancelled -- so those people aren't getting the help that they need. TX is seeing triple digit deaths in one day. FL hospitals are overwhelmed as well; we have over 60 hospitals that don't even have an ICU unit -- so critical patients are having to be transported to wherever. My county today reached 100% bed capacity and they are now scrambling to get staff to take care of those patients. God forbid if you have any kind of emergency right now.
Both of these states have huge populations and not enough hospital rooms, beds, or medical personnel.
@libertybele
You have a credible link to the part I bolded right?
As for your last statement...that is patently untrue. You've clearly bought into the panic porn being pushed about this virus.
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Yes. It is my opinion that IF we were to ALL wear masks it would cut back on the spread of this virus and I think wearing a mask at this point is just being considerate of one another. It IS a PERSONAL CHOICE though. There are those who can't tolerate mask wearing for whatever reason. I've seen people wearing masks while jogging or walking the park. Frankly, I think that's a bit extreme, but to each his/her own. I don't wear a mask as I walk the parks, as I don't see a reason to, nor do I wear a mask in my vehicle or through the drive-thrus. I wear one inside businesses; banks, grocery stores, retail, medical facilities, etc.
The masks are useless in stopping the spread. IF they were useful the people telling us to wear them now would insist on them being word EVERY cold and flu season.
We've had flu outbreaks with higher death rates. We've had worse pandemics in the past.
None of them have seen the governmental over reach and purposeful subversion of our freedoms and liberties that this one has foisted on us.
All of these moves have nothing to do with stopping the spread of a virus. If that were true it would be done every time there is a bad outbreak of any virus.
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I refuse to panic.
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Alex Berenson
@AlexBerenson
Update from a physician in a large Texas city: hospitals have capacity, some high-acuity patients, fear complicating treatment, especially in very old patients. Unfortunately but unsurprisingly, this doc asked for anonymity, citing fear of administrative retaliation.
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Alex Berenson tweet con't:
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It's really hard to buy into the panic porn and Lockdown Inc BS when two of the people pushing masks, lockdowns and remote schools...Tom Inglesby and Jennifer Nuzzo writ a paper back in 2006 saying the exact OPPOSITE if what they are pushing now.
http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.552.1109&rep=rep1&type=pdf (http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.552.1109&rep=rep1&type=pdf)
What's changed?
Not the science.
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@libertybele
You have a credible link to the part I bolded right?
As for your last statement...that is patently untrue. You've clearly bought into the panic porn being pushed about this virus.
https://www.winknews.com/2020/07/09/lee-health-nears-100-staffed-bed-capacity-activates-pandemic-surge-plan/ (https://www.winknews.com/2020/07/09/lee-health-nears-100-staffed-bed-capacity-activates-pandemic-surge-plan/)
https://www.statesman.com/news/20200709/texas-daily-coronavirus-deaths-hit-triple-digits-as-abbott-expands-elective-surgery-ban (https://www.statesman.com/news/20200709/texas-daily-coronavirus-deaths-hit-triple-digits-as-abbott-expands-elective-surgery-ban)
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/texas-coronavirus-south-texas-medical-system-hospital-overwhelmed-cases/ (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/texas-coronavirus-south-texas-medical-system-hospital-overwhelmed-cases/)
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https://www.winknews.com/2020/07/09/lee-health-nears-100-staffed-bed-capacity-activates-pandemic-surge-plan/ (https://www.winknews.com/2020/07/09/lee-health-nears-100-staffed-bed-capacity-activates-pandemic-surge-plan/)
https://www.statesman.com/news/20200709/texas-daily-coronavirus-deaths-hit-triple-digits-as-abbott-expands-elective-surgery-ban (https://www.statesman.com/news/20200709/texas-daily-coronavirus-deaths-hit-triple-digits-as-abbott-expands-elective-surgery-ban)
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/texas-coronavirus-south-texas-medical-system-hospital-overwhelmed-cases/ (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/texas-coronavirus-south-texas-medical-system-hospital-overwhelmed-cases/)
A couple things of note here...keep in mind I'm a journalist and words matter.
Lee Health is almost at 100% of their current staffed bed capacity.
Current staffed capacity. How many people did they lay off or let go at the start of this political pandemic? Are they at full staff? If not what is their capacity if they are fully staffed.
The article is playing word games to create a panic. If a hospital normally employs lets say 3,500 doctors and nurses and other support staff their capacity is X
If they've cut that staff in half then their "current staffed bed capacity" is Y...a much lower number. But the article you linked to doesn't go into important details like that.
They want you scared.
Texas daily coronavirus deaths hit triple digits
Again the Statesman is giving an incomplete headline. And it's on purpose. The information provided in their article is as shallow as a kiddie pool and doesn't give the total picture.
From the CBS article:
New cases in the Rio Grande Valley have increased by nearly 70% from two weeks ago.
Is that because the virus is truly flaring up again or because testing is expanding and people who didn't even know they had the disease are finding out they carry the antibodies? The story doesn't say.
More reported cases doesn't equal more people sick and dying from the virus.
What none of the articles will tell you either is that there is no accurate number of actual deaths directly related to the Wuhan Flu. Why? Because the loose reporting standards by the CDC allow everyone from a death by DUI to someone who dies of a heart attack to be reported as a virus death by hospitals. Hospitals...who are promised more medicaid money if they report more virus related deaths.
Oh and by the way...the mortality rate from the China Flu is now at .02%. Lower than a normal flu season in the U.S.
Facts....they are an important thing.
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A couple things of note here...keep in mind I'm a journalist and words matter.
Current staffed capacity. How many people did they lay off or let go at the start of this political pandemic? Are they at full staff? If not what is their capacity if they are fully staffed.
The article is playing word games to create a panic. If a hospital normally employs lets say 3,500 doctors and nurses and other support staff their capacity is X
If they've cut that staff in half then their "current staffed bed capacity" is Y...a much lower number. But the article you linked to doesn't go into important details like that.
They want you scared.
Again the Statesman is giving an incomplete headline. And it's on purpose. The information provided in their article is as shallow as a kiddie pool and doesn't give the total picture.
From the CBS article:
Is that because the virus is truly flaring up again or because testing is expanding and people who didn't even know they had the disease are finding out they carry the antibodies? The story doesn't say.
More reported cases doesn't equal more people sick and dying from the virus.
What none of the articles will tell you either is that there is no accurate number of actual deaths directly related to the Wuhan Flu. Why? Because the loose reporting standards by the CDC allow everyone from a death by DUI to someone who dies of a heart attack to be reported as a virus death by hospitals. Hospitals...who are promised more medicaid money if they report more virus related deaths.
Oh and by the way...the mortality rate from the China Flu is now at .02%. Lower than a normal flu season in the U.S.
Facts....they are an important thing.
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A couple things of note here...keep in mind I'm a journalist and words matter.
Current staffed capacity. How many people did they lay off or let go at the start of this political pandemic? Are they at full staff? If not what is their capacity if they are fully staffed.
The article is playing word games to create a panic. If a hospital normally employs lets say 3,500 doctors and nurses and other support staff their capacity is X
If they've cut that staff in half then their "current staffed bed capacity" is Y...a much lower number. But the article you linked to doesn't go into important details like that.
They want you scared.
Again the Statesman is giving an incomplete headline. And it's on purpose. The information provided in their article is as shallow as a kiddie pool and doesn't give the total picture.
From the CBS article:
Is that because the virus is truly flaring up again or because testing is expanding and people who didn't even know they had the disease are finding out they carry the antibodies? The story doesn't say.
More reported cases doesn't equal more people sick and dying from the virus.
What none of the articles will tell you either is that there is no accurate number of actual deaths directly related to the Wuhan Flu. Why? Because the loose reporting standards by the CDC allow everyone from a death by DUI to someone who dies of a heart attack to be reported as a virus death by hospitals. Hospitals...who are promised more medicaid money if they report more virus related deaths.
Oh and by the way...the mortality rate from the China Flu is now at .02%. Lower than a normal flu season in the U.S.
Facts....they are an important thing.
@txradioguy - thank you!!! I needed that. Truly.
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@txradioguy - thank you!!! I needed that. Truly.
MeeToo.
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@txradioguy - thank you!!! I needed that. Truly.
I'm sorry if I sounded harsh at first. But so many people...smart people like you don't know all of the facts on this or realize what is being left out...a lie by omission...on purpose.
With my journalism background I can see things that should be in a useful factual story...that get left out. And having dealt with ehMSM for so long from the military side...I've learned the how's and why's of why this is done. And it pisses me off to no end when I see it.
I just didn't want you to get sucked into the fear being created on purpose over this virus.
I don't begrudge any individual who wants to wear a mask because they are at higher risk. As long as it's a personal decision and something...like you do...on a consistent basis.
But to have some governor or mayor just fire off an EO with no legal basis forcing people to wear masks the minute they set foot outside the door or face jail time goes against everything we stand for as a country. Same with forcing businesses to shut down.
And what scares me the most about what we've seen since this whole mess started...is the vast amount of people that just surrendered without one word of protest or one question about what was happening.
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A couple things of note here...keep in mind I'm a journalist and words matter.
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Facts....they are an important thing.
And to emphasize a bit more globally... Isn't the idea in a pandemic situation to divorce infected patients from hospitals so that hospitals can carry on? What happened to that idea?
If they were truly getting overrun, why not take over an abandoned mall, or any other structure with room and resources (HVAC, power, water, network, etc) and throw in 1000 extra ICU beds, fully staffed? I have jammed big material acquisitions for projects like that, And a small handful of good guys could identify and outfit something like that in a matter of weeks, and really having it up and running in days, with modular extensions happening quickly in rollout.
That's entirely possible. why isn't it happening? And that's just little ol me and the normal pipleline... I am sure Army CoE can go large. It's what they do.
The propaganda at this point is so bad that literally none of it can be believed.
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Oh, the virus is indeed spreading at warp speed. ???? The hospitals ARE overloaded. They are bringing in nurses and doctors from other areas to help. Elective surgeries and procedures continue to get cancelled -- so those people aren't getting the help that they need. TX is seeing triple digit deaths in one day. FL hospitals are overwhelmed as well; we have over 60 hospitals that don't even have an ICU unit -- so critical patients are having to be transported to wherever. My county today reached 100% bed capacity and they are now scrambling to get staff to take care of those patients. God forbid if you have any kind of emergency right now.
Both of these states have huge populations and not enough hospital rooms, beds, or medical personnel.
I'm not aware of any hospital in the US doing triage. Triage is what happens when hospitals are actually overloaded.
Many hospitals are very busy - but - a good percentage of that is catching up on backlog of elective procedures that were delayed earlier.
Hospitals operating at near capacity is exactly what you want to happen to get this behind us.
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888high58888 I woke up this morning and opened the blinds and noticed that our new neighbors across the street put up a large Trump 2020 flag in his yard. They'll fit into the neighborhood quite nicely. happy77
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I'm sorry if I sounded harsh at first. But so many people...smart people like you don't know all of the facts on this or realize what is being left out...a lie by omission...on purpose.
With my journalism background I can see things that should be in a useful factual story...that get left out. And having dealt with ehMSM for so long from the military side...I've learned the how's and why's of why this is done. And it pisses me off to no end when I see it.
I just didn't want you to get sucked into the fear being created on purpose over this virus.
I don't begrudge any individual who wants to wear a mask because they are at higher risk. As long as it's a personal decision and something...like you do...on a consistent basis.
But to have some governor or mayor just fire off an EO with no legal basis forcing people to wear masks the minute they set foot outside the door or face jail time goes against everything we stand for as a country. Same with forcing businesses to shut down.
And what scares me the most about what we've seen since this whole mess started...is the vast amount of people that just surrendered without one word of protest or one question about what was happening.
Yes I fear this pandemic, and yes, I also fear the "under current" of this whole mess. When they announced businesses had to shutdown, I thought at first, ok, I can understand and then I started to ask myself, how long, who's going to enforce this, what is going to happen next, etc. I couldn't help but think what a perfect opportunity to start hauling people away at night and when others inquired where their loved ones went, they could use the excuse we had to quarantine them. A lot of uncertainty. We had an appointment at our attorney's office that had already been scheduled before the shutdown. We walked an approached the office and there was a sign on the door, that was a posted ordinance by the city that businesses could only be by appointment only and only 1 person at a time. What an eerie feeling. Both of us ventured in anyways. Then they closed parks. Parks?? Sunshine and open spaces. Even after the parks were open the "park rangers" still monitored how many people gathered in one area and kept up barricades around the playgrounds.
On the other hand, I also want to convey that part of my fear is what we are hearing from the doctors themselves; one told my hubby that things are much worse than what the news is reporting (which I don't watch) and at my last dr. appointment I was told definitely for my health I should always wear a mask; the doctor was wearing both a mask and a face shield and he's not even a specialist, he's a primary physician. A nurse acquaintance also told me that things are getting to a critical point ... so I am being bombarded with negativity and not a whole lot of positive.
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I cancelled my doctor appt. when I was told I had to wear a mask, and I asked did the doctor wear one. HE DID. I said, I thought a doctor would know better. I have a demon-rat governor. So, far I have not worn a mask. I have immunity and I need my oxygen.
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I cancelled my doctor appt. when I was told I had to wear a mask, and I asked did the doctor wear one. HE DID. I said, I thought a doctor would know better. I have a demon-rat governor. So, far I have not worn a mask. I have immunity and I need my oxygen.
The rare times I'm forced to wear a mask, I get headaches like you wouldn't believe. I can't prove it scientifically...but I think it has to do with rebreathing the carbon dioxide from when we exhale.
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The rare times I'm forced to wear a mask, I get headaches like you wouldn't believe. I can't prove it scientifically...but I think it has to do with rebreathing the carbon dioxide from when we exhale.
Correct. :yowsa: 888high58888
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The rare times I'm forced to wear a mask, I get headaches like you wouldn't believe. I can't prove it scientifically...but I think it has to do with rebreathing the carbon dioxide from when we exhale.
My daughter has to wear a mask all day at work -- she has to go outside now and then and take it off because she starts to feel lightheaded -- she said the same thing about rebreathing the co2
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The rare times I'm forced to wear a mask, I get headaches like you wouldn't believe. I can't prove it scientifically...but I think it has to do with rebreathing the carbon dioxide from when we exhale.
Find a structured mask with an exhaust port. Not only will you not be rebreathing, but the mask will stay functional far longer because exhaled moisture (mostly) goes out the hole.
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My daughter has to wear a mask all day at work -- she has to go outside now and then and take it off because she starts to feel lightheaded -- she said the same thing about rebreathing the co2
Some people who wear the mask, while driving a car, BEING ALONE...are passing out at the wheel. DAWIN AWARD.
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My daughter has to wear a mask all day at work -- she has to go outside now and then and take it off because she starts to feel lightheaded -- she said the same thing about rebreathing the co2
Wearing a mask is definitely problematic for any healthy person for a host of reasons.
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Find a structured mask with an exhaust port. Not only will you not be rebreathing, but the mask will stay functional far longer because exhaled moisture (mostly) goes out the hole.
God as my witness...if this was silliness keeps up I'm gonna put on the one mask I own that WILL prevent any germ from getting to me:
(https://www.fortbraggsurplus.us/v/vspfiles/photos/M40-A1-Gas-Mask-2.jpg?v-cache=1559488438)
Had to buy one (via payroll deduction") when I was moving from one duty station to another in Germany. Didn't find it til I was moving back to the states.
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Some people who wear the mask, while driving a car, BEING ALONE...are passing out at the wheel. DAWIN AWARD.
My wife and I were in the drive through at CFA the other day...there was a guy who was in a jeep with a bikini top on it (very small minimal jeep roof covering) no one else was with him and he was wearing a frigging mask! *****rollingeyes*****
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I've got it covered:
(https://rlv.zcache.com/biden_face_mask-r622c89c83ee24882b58c8628c10efe19_tyimm_324.jpg?rlvnet=1)
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God as my witness...if this was silliness keeps up I'm gonna put on the one mask I own that WILL prevent any germ from getting to me:
Had to buy one (via payroll deduction") when I was moving from one duty station to another in Germany. Didn't find it til I was moving back to the states.
LOL! :laugh: I have the full compliment from paper dust masks through n95s and respirators all the way into full face and full-air w/Pilsbury Doughboy suit. If I thought I needed it, I have it.
But for your comfort, if you need one, a structured n95 with an exhaust port will do fine, and you won't get headaches. I have been in one all day long during sanding sessions precisely for the exhaust port which makes them eminently more wearable than a dust mask.
You can find em, pretty sure, at any professional paint store.
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I've got it covered:
(https://rlv.zcache.com/biden_face_mask-r622c89c83ee24882b58c8628c10efe19_tyimm_324.jpg?rlvnet=1)
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I like! :beer:
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I've got it covered:
(https://rlv.zcache.com/biden_face_mask-r622c89c83ee24882b58c8628c10efe19_tyimm_324.jpg?rlvnet=1)
Is that a G STRING? (making a tiny, lame joke.)
BIDEN needs to wear the Hannibal mask, with his sniffing young children.
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A lady doctor, talks about VACCINES. Starts at 21;00 INTO THE VIDEO.
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYITZ2Sv8fE&t=799s#)
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My wife and I were in the drive through at CFA the other day...there was a guy who was in a jeep with a bikini top on it (very small minimal jeep roof covering) no one else was with him and he was wearing a frigging mask! *****rollingeyes*****
@txradioguy
First, thank you very much for that informative post earlier on this thread, for which a few have given you kudos.
Regarding driving solo, while wearing a mask...consider that other loved ones either use the vehicle, or there are often times passengers are included.
That would be the only reasonable explanation, IMO.
Nobody ever gets inside my vehicle, and I use CLOROX wipes occasionally on the steering wheel, gear shift, emergency brake, control knobs and interior door handles, etc., because I may have touched something while getting gas, receiving change on my purchases and the like.
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Nobody ever gets inside my vehicle, and I use CLOROX wipes occasionally on the steering wheel, gear shift, emergency brake, control knobs and interior door handles, etc., because I may have touched something while getting gas, receiving change on my purchases and the like.
Nobody ever gets in my truck neither... Because I never use chlorox wipes. Heck I can't remember ever really cleaning it... There's literal sh*t on the floorboards... There's a pile of tools in the passenger's foot well... Sorry, if you want a ride, sit in the back (which ain't much better)
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@txradioguy
First, thank you very much for that informative post earlier on this thread, for which a few have given you kudos.
Thank you sir.
Regarding driving solo, while wearing a mask...consider that other loved ones either use the vehicle, or there are often times passengers are included.
That would be the only reasonable explanation, IMO.
I could possibly go with that if the Jeep and the driver weren't out in the open air save for a canvas top over the top of the roll bars. Otherwise he's in open air.
Nobody ever gets inside my vehicle, and I use CLOROX wipes occasionally on the steering wheel, gear shift, emergency brake, control knobs and interior door handles, etc., because I may have touched something while getting gas, receiving change on my purchases and the like.
I clean my car top to bottom a couple times a month. More if my grandkids are going to be riding with me.
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A lot has been done during every crisis "to do something".
It has never really matter if what was being done actually did anything useful or even made things worse.
"Doing something" was the cause into itself to show leadership and that "we care" and that "we are in control".
Precisely. Sometimes the best course of action is to wait until you have the facts.
By the title, thirty five percent of the time the mask won't protect you. That's a two in three shot that your mask will help. That's like playing with your six shooter with only two rounds in the wheel. (Half the odds of Russian Roulette).
Every time you meet someone you spin the wheel...
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The rare times I'm forced to wear a mask, I get headaches like you wouldn't believe. I can't prove it scientifically...but I think it has to do with rebreathing the carbon dioxide from when we exhale.
Yep. Hypercapnea/hypoxia. Symptom can include low blood oxygen, dimmed sight, reduced hearing, drowsiness, confusion, headache, shortness of breath, increases heart rate and blood pressure.
There has been a rise in lung infections and pneumonia. We exhale CO2 and it builds up in the mask.
Don't wear them unless you have to. I wear one on outings because I can't afford the fine if caught without one.
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The youtube has been scrubbed, but if you go to this link, there is a posted short vid on toxicity measured on a meter:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1279528940844003328
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Yep. Hypercapnea/hypoxia. Symptom can include low blood oxygen, dimmed sight, reduced hearing, drowsiness, confusion, headache, shortness of breath, increases heart rate and blood pressure.
There has been a rise in lung infections and pneumonia. We exhale CO2 and it builds up in the mask.
Don't wear them unless you have to. I wear one on outings because I can't afford the fine if caught without one.
@dancer the only reason Ido now is because the UCMJ applies to me and a 2 Star General says I have to. But only til 30 September. After that they can pound sand when it comes to wearing a mask.
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Tomorrow it will be something else, another fact or figure, anything to keep it going. I am going to be amazingly disappointed if the dust settles from this and we find out some congresscritters invested heavily in mask companies...
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Tomorrow it will be something else, another fact or figure, anything to keep it going. I am going to be amazingly disappointed if the dust settles from this and we find out some congresscritters invested heavily in mask companies...
No disrespect, @Practical but that's "Checkers" mentality.
This is all about a drive to allow mail-in ballots for the November election. Also, to drive economic good news off the front pages.
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No disrespect, @Practical but that's "Checkers" mentality.
This is all about a drive to allow mail-in ballots for the November election. Also, to drive economic good news off the front pages.
And to drive the current president out of office before the SHTF over what the last administrations did.
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No disrespect, @Practical but that's "Checkers" mentality.
This is all about a drive to allow mail-in ballots for the November election. Also, to drive economic good news off the front pages.
I thought it was to thwart voter ID....
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And to drive the current president out of office before the SHTF over what the last administrations did.
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I thought it was to thwart voter ID....
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It is...thus the call for mail-in voting and so-called "early voting", which is a sham.
If Mary and Joseph had to ride a donkey for days just to 'register' for taxes, we can stand in a line for an hour to save our Republic from Communism.
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It is...thus the call for mail-in voting and so-called "early voting", which is a sham.
If Mary and Joseph had to ride a donkey for days just to 'register' for taxes, we can stand in a line for an hour to save our Republic from Communism.
Yeah, but it only used to be half a block long, now with (anti-)social distancing it'd be at least twice that...
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Yeah, but it only used to be half a block long, now with (anti-)social distancing it'd be at least twice that...
Would venture a guess that "Trump Voters" would be more inclined to stand in those long lines compared to Dem voters.
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Would venture a guess that "Trump Voters" would be more inclined to stand in those long lines compared to Dem voters.
Well, without chanting some babble and throwing things, anyway.
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Would venture a guess that "Trump Voters" would be more inclined to stand in those long lines compared to Dem voters.
Yup.
Kinda mirrors the difference in philosophy about work between the rank and file of the two parties as well. Republicans (for the most part) work...provide for their family...buy what they ned and want with money earned from the sweat of their brow or a particular skill they have.
Dems...are perfectly fine sitting on their ass at home waiting for Uncle Sugar to send them a check or electronically deposit their "income" without ever having to lift a finger to do anything.
Mitt was spot on about the 47%.
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Yeah, but it only used to be half a block long, now with (anti-)social distancing it'd be at least twice that...
It's amazing that people are told that standing in line to vote is just to damn hard and yet I have driven by a local DMV three times in the last week and every time people were lined up wrapped around the DMV and for what would be the length of a block out on the street. If they can wait in a line like that for a drivers license, tags or registration then there is no reason why they can't que up to vote, arguably one of our most important rights.
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Nobody ever gets in my truck neither... Because I never use chlorox wipes. Heck I can't remember ever really cleaning it... There's literal sh*t on the floorboards... There's a pile of tools in the passenger's foot well... Sorry, if you want a ride, sit in the back (which ain't much better)
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No disrespect, @Practical but that's "Checkers" mentality.
This is all about a drive to allow mail-in ballots for the November election. Also, to drive economic good news off the front pages.
Oh, I believe it is part of a massive scheme, training the US citizen for compliance. I said I would be amazingly disappointed if it WAS for something as small as getting a bunch of congress folks money. Surely they can manipulate a system much easier.