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General Category => Science, Technology and Knowledge => Archaeology => Topic started by: Timber Rattler on January 12, 2024, 02:08:58 pm
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https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-67940671?fbclid=IwAR3zICs60ivO1gmmj9Uz6hPs6Ko7POxatZr8xMHfd3hyJkcMm1Q8OdXK1Cs
The discovery changes what we know about the history of people living in the Amazon.
The houses and plazas in the Upano area in eastern Ecuador were connected by an astounding network of roads and canals.
The area lies in the shadow of a volcano that created rich local soils but also may have led to the destruction of the society.
While we knew about cities in the highlands of South America, like Machu Picchu in Peru, it was believed that people only lived nomadically or in tiny settlements in the Amazon.
"This is older than any other site we know in the Amazon. We have a Eurocentric view of civilisation, but this shows we have to change our idea about what is culture and civilisation," says Prof Stephen Rostain, director of investigation at the National Centre for Scientific Research in France, who led the research.
"It changes the way we see Amazonian cultures. Most people picture small groups, probably naked, living in huts and clearing land - this shows ancient people lived in complicated urban societies," says co-author Antoine Dorison.
The city was built around 2,500 years ago, and people lived there for up to 1,000 years, according to archaeologists.
It is difficult to accurately estimate how many people lived there at any one time, but scientists say it is certainly in the 10,000s if not 100,000s.
The archaeologists combined ground excavations with a survey of a 300 sq km (116 sq mile) area using laser sensors flown on a plane that could identify remains of the city beneath the dense plants and trees.
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So does anybody here follow the theories and research of Graham Hancock?
https://grahamhancock.com/
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Dang.... I hope they spare us from another awful Indiana Jones Movie.
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Depending on the exact location, this is in the margins where the Andes highlands merge into the Amazonian jungle. Being near a river, there's water for drinking and agriculture.
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Yet, another civilization becomes a victim of Global Climate Change.
If only they had replaced their methane-spewing alpaca's and llama's with electric vehicles, they'd still be with us.
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:bkmk:
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Yet, another civilization becomes a victim of Global Climate Change.
If only they had replaced their methane-spewing alpaca's and llama's with electric vehicles, they'd still be with us.
:silly:
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https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-67940671?fbclid=IwAR3zICs60ivO1gmmj9Uz6hPs6Ko7POxatZr8xMHfd3hyJkcMm1Q8OdXK1Cs
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So does anybody here follow the theories and research of Graham Hancock?
https://grahamhancock.com/
Yes, I've read some of his books, and watched his series "Ancient Apocalypse" on Netflix. He also has a channel on YouTube. Also, Randall Carlson, who has collaborated on some of these theories with Graham Hancock, has a quite active channel on YouTube. There are some other folks outside of the archaeology mainstream talking about this stuff on YouTube as well.
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They've found many with LIDAR drones down there and other places. Watched a Tubes of You video on one in Brazil from about the same period.
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https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-67940671?fbclid=IwAR3zICs60ivO1gmmj9Uz6hPs6Ko7POxatZr8xMHfd3hyJkcMm1Q8OdXK1Cs
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So does anybody here follow the theories and research of Graham Hancock?
https://grahamhancock.com/
Yeah... I bounce around in his circles...
Ayahuasca
He messes with demons.
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https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-67940671?fbclid=IwAR3zICs60ivO1gmmj9Uz6hPs6Ko7POxatZr8xMHfd3hyJkcMm1Q8OdXK1Cs
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So does anybody here follow the theories and research of Graham Hancock?
https://grahamhancock.com/
He use to be on Art Bell all the time back in the day.
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I have little doubt that prior civilizations rose and fell, lost to the mists of legend or faded completely out of memory.
I expect the largest pre-Ice Age and contemporaneous cities are under water, flooded when sea levels rose during and after the thaw, most likely in the tropical latitudes.
Proving it is another matter. I want to see the evidence.
A water well driller I knew claimed to have pulled up a piece of brass while drilling a water well through glacial till here in ND, which would have made it over 12,000 years old (Pre-Clovis) if it actually came from below the Laurentide Ice Sheet till layer.
I never saw the piece, and as far as I know it is lost.
It would have been interesting to see if it was relatively modern junk that fell down the hole as it was being drilled, plucked from a shallow sidewall, or truly an anachronistic discovery. :shrug:
But, as with all else in science, for every question answered, more are raised.
The more we learn, the less we know.
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I have little doubt that prior civilizations rose and fell, lost to the mists of legend or faded completely out of memory.
Proving it is another matter. I want to see the evidence.
A water well driller I knew claimed to have pulled up a piece of brass while drilling a water well through glacial till here, which would have made it over 12,000 years old (Pre-Clovis) if it came from below the Laurentide Ice Sheet till layer.
I never saw the piece, and as far as I know it is lost.
It would have been interesting to see if it was relatively modern junk that fell down the hole as it was being drilled, plucked from a shallow sidewall, or truly an anachronistic discovery. :shrug:
But, as with all else in science, for every question answered, more are raised.
The more we learn, the less we know.
The stuff that gets me is the stuff they bust out of coal deposits.
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The stuff that gets me is the stuff they bust out of coal deposits.
I have seen some claims, but would like to examine the material.
The question is one of if someone was mining the coal before that shaft collapsed, to be mined later, and introduced artifacts to the seam. Even that could have been long ago.
I suspect there is more in Heaven and Earth than is dreamed of in man's philosophies, to paraphrase Hamlet.
One day we'll know.
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I have seen some claims, but would like to examine the material.
The question is one of if someone was mining the coal before that shaft collapsed, to be mined later, and introduced artifacts to the seam. Even that could have been long ago.
I suspect there is more in Heaven and Earth than is dreamed of in man's philosophies, to paraphrase Hamlet.
One day we'll know.
Sure... but pretty hard to fake when they break it out of a lump, and the imression is right there in the deposit it came from. Beautiful silverwork, delicate chains, coins in a strange language... pretty kewl.
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Sure... but pretty hard to fake when they break it out of a lump, and the imression is right there in the deposit it came from. Beautiful silverwork, delicate chains, coins in a strange language... pretty kewl.
Do you have a link to any of that?
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Do you have a link to any of that?
Nah... It's been a long while... But my favorite ooparts site is https://www.s8int.com/
I am sure there are references somewhere in there....
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Do you have a link to any of that?
Here is one. @Smokin Joe
https://www.ancient-origins.net/unexplained-phenomena/ooparts-found-coal-0010767