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General Category => Editorial/Opinion/Blogs => Topic started by: Bunny Watson on October 21, 2016, 06:29:59 pm
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Trump’s alt-right trolls have subjected me and my family to an unending torrent of abuse that I wouldn’t wish on anyone.
I distinctly remember the first time I saw a picture of my then-seven-year-old daughter’s face in a gas chamber. It was the evening of September 17, 2015. I had just posted a short item to the Corner calling out notorious Trump ally Ann Coulter for aping the white-nationalist language and rhetoric of the so-called alt-right. Within minutes, the tweets came flooding in. My youngest daughter is African American, adopted from Ethiopia, and in alt-right circles that’s an unforgivable sin. It’s called “race-cucking” or “raising the enemy.”
I saw images of my daughter’s face in gas chambers, with a smiling Trump in a Nazi uniform preparing to press a button and kill her. I saw her face photo-shopped into images of slaves. She was called a “niglet” and a “dindu.” The alt-right unleashed on my wife, Nancy, claiming that she had slept with black men while I was deployed to Iraq, and that I loved to watch while she had sex with “black bucks.” People sent her pornographic images of black men having sex with white women, with someone photoshopped to look like me, watching.
Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/441319/donald-trump-alt-right-internet-abuse-never-trump-movement (http://www.nationalreview.com/article/441319/donald-trump-alt-right-internet-abuse-never-trump-movement)
Further down, there's a link to Mickey White's story. The things people have done in Trump's name are repulsive.
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Yep.
That's the Trump movement all right.
And the GOP more than tolerates it. They fundraise and endorse it!
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I knew it was bad and I'm still shocked by the details.
I'm not. I've been posting about this for this entire election cycle.
People have been turning a blind eye... or, in the case of the Trump supporters, endorsing it.
Heck, @Paladin left because she(?) couldn't post from white supremacist sites anymore. The rest are now using fake/propaganda sites to post the same bull... all the while trying to say that reputable news sites are actually full of lies. @aligncare tries to get the information dismissed as just "social justice warrior" cr@p.
The mask was taken off a year ago.
I'll not forget it.
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@musiclady Check this out. I've read some of it before, but here is a great big ol' list of how they treat dissent.
Wow. I'm with you @RAT Patrol....... I knew this stuff was out there, but I had NO idea how vicious and vile it was, and aimed at innocent women and children.
This is so dangerous. This is so sick.
Every campaign attracts its share of fools, cranks, and crazies. But Trump’s candidacy has weaponized them
This gets to the root of it, I think. There are always White Supremacists out there, glomming on to a Republican's campaign, but they have always been rebuffed before.
Not so now, and so the cancer is growing and becoming more empowered.
We had all better be aware of the threat of these dangerous people.
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Wow. I'm with you @RAT Patrol....... I knew this stuff was out there, but I had NO idea how vicious and vile it was, and aimed at innocent women and children.
This is so dangerous. This is so sick.
This gets to the root of it, I think. There are always White Supremacists out there, glomming on to a Republican's campaign, but they have always been rebuffed before.
Not so now, and so the cancer is growing and becoming more empowered.
We had all better be aware of the threat of these dangerous people.
They have guns and aren't going to accept the results of the election unless Trump wins.
Think about that for a minute.
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I'm going to say that there will be blood spilled on election day and the days after.
And it will be fault of the Republican candidate and the Republicans that voted for him.
The American people will see that and remember it come the future.
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Stuff like this is why Trump must be defeated, decisively humiliated. The only downside to that is that it would likely flip the Senate and drain seats for the GOP House.
As to the alt-right, most of them are gutless cowards, hiding behind keyboards. They'll crawl back under the rocks after Trump loses.
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Stuff like this is why Trump must be defeated, decisively humiliated. The only downside to that is that it would likely flip the Senate and drain seats for the GOP House.
As to the alt-right, most of them are gutless cowards, hiding behind keyboards. They'll crawl back under the rocks after Trump loses.
Most, but not all.
If just 1 in 100 becomes violent... that's 140,000 extremists with guns shooting in America. (14 million Trump supporters who voted in the GOP primary as the base of his support)
Heck, even if it's 1 in 1000... that's still 14,000.
We have our own terror organization in the making with these guys.
This could be the tip of the iceberg:
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=229772.0
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They have guns and aren't going to accept the results of the election unless Trump wins.
Think about that for a minute.
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I'm going to say that there will be blood spilled on election day and the days after.
And it will be fault of the Republican candidate and the Republicans that voted for him.
The American people will see that and remember it come the future.
I really don't think so. Most of these people are losers in every other aspect of their lives, so now they can add politics to that list.
Who are they gonna shoot? They're all mouth, too cowardly to risk somebody shooting back.
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I really don't think so. Most of these people are losers in every other aspect of their lives, so now they can add politics to that list.
Who are they gonna shoot? They're all mouth, too cowardly to risk somebody shooting back.
That's the same thing normal Muslims say in the middle east. That the terrorists are losers.
It doesn't take much to buy a gun and pull the trigger. Do that at recess in an elementary school (in a heavily minority area) and scream, "Elections RIGGED!" and you've got instant national/international press. And total disruption for the lives of anyone with elementary school children.
It'd be *very* easy to do... and these guys have enough hate to try. Dylann Roof showed us that.
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I really don't think so. Most of these people are losers in every other aspect of their lives, so now they can add politics to that list.
Who are they gonna shoot? They're all mouth, too cowardly to risk somebody shooting back.
I'm with John. If only a fraction are as dangerous as their online threats, it's too many.
These people are sick!
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The Price I’ve Paid for Opposing Donald Trump
Trump’s alt-right trolls have subjected me and my family to an unending torrent of abuse that I wouldn’t wish on anyone.
By David French — October 21, 2016
I distinctly remember the first time I saw a picture of my then-seven-year-old daughter’s face in a gas chamber. It was the evening of September 17, 2015. I had just posted a short item to the Corner calling out notorious Trump ally Ann Coulter for aping the white-nationalist language and rhetoric of the so-called alt-right. Within minutes, the tweets came flooding in. My youngest daughter is African American, adopted from Ethiopia, and in alt-right circles that’s an unforgivable sin. It’s called “race-cucking” or “raising the enemy.”
I saw images of my daughter’s face in gas chambers, with a smiling Trump in a Nazi uniform preparing to press a button and kill her. I saw her face photo-shopped into images of slaves. She was called a “niglet” and a “dindu.” The alt-right unleashed on my wife, Nancy, claiming that she had slept with black men while I was deployed to Iraq, and that I loved to watch while she had sex with “black bucks.” People sent her pornographic images of black men having sex with white women, with someone photoshopped to look like me, watching.
When we both publicized some of the racist attacks — I in National Review and Nancy in the Washington Post — things took a far more ominous turn. Late the next evening — while Nancy was, fortunately, offline attending a veterans’ charity event in D.C. — the darker quarters of the alt-right found her Patheos blog. Several different accounts began posting images and GIFs of extreme violence in her comments section.
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http://www.nationalreview.com/node/441319/print
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Maybe French should've sat down and compared notes with Trump before writing about his 'ordeal'. :nono:
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Wow.
The sad thing is, having spent time on twitter during this election, French's experience doesn't surprise me. I've seen plenty of that type of thing from Trump supporters.
I have a lot of reasons I won't support Trump, and this is one of them. I won't ally myself with such people.
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Jonah Goldberg @JonahNRO 18h18 hours ago
So far 3 types of criticism of @DavidAFrench piece 1). Liar! 2) Who cares? just tweets of death threats & gassing his kid 3) HE DESERVES IT!
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John Podhoretz @jpodhoretz 15h15 hours ago
The @DavidAFrench essay makes the important point that the rock Trump turned over had more than just anti-Semites under it.
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Maybe French should've sat down and compared notes with Trump before writing about his 'ordeal'. :nono:
Are you kidding me? You really are delusional.
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Maybe French should've sat down and compared notes with Trump before writing about his 'ordeal'. :nono:
So you're saying that not doing so excuses all the disgusting vitriol directed at him and his family? That's nonsense, and you have to know it.
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Wow.
I have a lot of reasons I won't support Trump, and this is one of them. I won't ally myself with such people.
I agree. Trump needs to be (politically) destroyed, because (some of) his supporters are the worst of the worst.
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Maybe French should've sat down and compared notes with Trump before writing about his 'ordeal'. :nono:
Are you actually defending the thugs who are threatening French and his family?
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I agree. Trump needs to be (politically) destroyed, because (some of) his supporters are the worst of the worst.
Agreed. Thanks to their foolish choice, Clinton was always going to win, anyway. Trump might as well be thoroughly crushed.
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Posted already here:
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,230834.0.html
Can we merge these?
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David French
National Review
October 21, 2016
Trump’s alt-right trolls have subjected me and my family to an unending torrent of abuse that I wouldn’t wish on anyone.
I distinctly remember the first time I saw a picture of my then-seven-year-old daughter’s face in a gas chamber. It was the evening of September 17, 2015. I had just posted a short item to the Corner calling out notorious Trump ally Ann Coulter for aping the white-nationalist language and rhetoric of the so-called alt-right. Within minutes, the tweets came flooding in. My youngest daughter is African American, adopted from Ethiopia, and in alt-right circles that’s an unforgivable sin. It’s called “race-cucking” or “raising the enemy.”
I saw images of my daughter’s face in gas chambers, with a smiling Trump in a Nazi uniform preparing to press a button and kill her. I saw her face photo-shopped into images of slaves. She was called a “niglet” and a “dindu.” The alt-right unleashed on my wife, Nancy, claiming that she had slept with black men while I was deployed to Iraq, and that I loved to watch while she had sex with “black bucks.” People sent her pornographic images of black men having sex with white women, with someone photoshopped to look like me, watching.
More (http://www.nationalreview.com/article/441319/donald-trump-alt-right-internet-abuse-never-trump-movement)
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Disgusting.
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I read this last night. After I cried, I started emailing the article to people I know who think Trump is the answer.
His cabal is terrifying and he is beholden to them.
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Are you actually defending the thugs who are threatening French and his family?
Yes. He is.
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Oh, for pete's sakes people!
How hard is it to notice that this was already posted!
It's the TOP trending article in this section!!!
Can we please merge this with:
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,230834.0.html
(This is the third time TODAY!)
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Posted already here:
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,230834.0.html
Can we merge these?
Topics merged.
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Can't be posted too many times. IMHO
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Can't be posted too many times. IMHO
Well, yes. The last one set me off as this thread was, quite literally, the top thread on this board. How does one miss that?
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Oh, for pete's sakes people!
How hard is it to notice that this was already posted!
It's the TOP trending article in this section!!!
Can we please merge this with:
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,230834.0.html
(This is the third time TODAY!)
I don't know how I missed it but I did. 22222frying pan
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Well, yes. The last one set me off as this thread was, quite literally, the top thread on this board. How does one miss that?
:beer: All's good. I'm sure glad to see the article get some attention.
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So you're saying that not doing so excuses all the disgusting vitriol directed at him and his family?
Of course not...and that's just your attempt at creating a strawman to set fire to (good work).
David French briefly stuck his nose into presidential politics and seems surprised at the de jour response from certain quarters.
By comparison, Trump and his family have received far worse for far longer than poor David French. People forget how quickly Trump and his family was assigned secret service protection, which does not typically happen unless there are credible death threats. Even the mild mannered Dr. Carson was assigned secret service protection for a while.
David French also has an extensive background as a prolific online 'gamer', a sub-culture unto itself with a long history of viscous political troll wars and doxing. French famously mocked his gamer enemies in a 2015 NR blog in which he described these battles.
So who knows what's really behind the ongoing attacks on French, its not like his anti-Trump blogging has had any meaningful impact on the race, and his foray as a candidate was so brief and inconsequential it is barely worth mentioning. :shrug:
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Instead of answering the poster, you went to accusing him of a fallacy he did not make.
I answered the question in the first sentence of my response, try reading with a little more 'comprehension' and less 'condemnation' :laugh:
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How frightening that some people think Trump's cabal is nothing more than politics as usual.
Not in my America. No brown shirts welcome here. There is no place for alt/right to be excused for their vitriol, their threats, and their madness.
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I answered the question in the first sentence of my response, try reading with a little more 'comprehension' and less 'condemnation' :laugh:
Now Trump supporters remember the whole 'Do unto others as you would have them do unto you' adage?
That's rich, considering their whole shtick revolved around treating minorities in a manner that no Trump supporter would ever tolerate for themself.
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Now Trump supporters remember the whole 'Do unto others as you would have them do unto you' adage?
Nice scarecrow...
That's rich, considering their whole shtick revolved around treating minorities in a manner that no Trump supporter would ever tolerate for themself.
...and now he's on fire!
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Nice scarecrow...
...and now he's on fire!
The Golden Rule... a scarecrow?
It's how one is supposed to live one's life!
We may stumble and fall, but it's the single most important aspect of *ANY* code of ethics and/or religion.
And Trump violates it with every breath he takes.
It's what drew his supporters in, the ability to lord over those they despise. Don't tell me you weren't THRILLED over the thought of rounding up all dem 'Messicans' and kickin' out all the 'Mudslimes' (regardless of their citizenship). But you'd start a revolution if anyone tried that with you and yours!
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And Trump violates it with every breath he takes.
Trump isn't the one complaining about this though, is he?
No, only French is...despite his past indifference to online trolling. :shrug:
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Of course not...and that's just your attempt at creating a strawman to set fire to (good work).
We can only conclude that you have no idea what a strawman argument actually is. A strawman argument is imputing some falsehood to another for the purpose of then refuting that falsehood. I merely rephrased exactly what you said and asked you if you realized the implications of what you said. Which I think you did, since you refused to answer the question and just engaged in an ad hominem attack against the victim, French. Which is of course what the entire issue is about, such attacks. Nice way to illustrate our point!
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I merely rephrased exactly what you said and asked you if you realized the implications of what you said.
Sure you did...
I find it fascinating that my words needed to be 'rephrased' before you could use them.
That's how a straw man is built. :nono:
-btw speaking of knowing your fallacies, please show where I engaged in ad hominem toward David French
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Trump isn't the one complaining about this though, is he?
No, only French is...despite his past indifference to online trolling. :shrug:
Defending the Alt Right again....
I'm shocked, shocked
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It wasn't a strawman. It was a question. Clearly you did not like the question. Instead of answering the charges, you went to blaming the victim, David French. Instead of answering the poster, you went to accusing him of a fallacy he did not make. Then you end with the "who knows what is behind it" as though we do not know who and what is behind it. We do. They are Trump supporters.
This will give you an idea of who is behind it: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/meet-the-alt-right-spokesman-thrilled-by-trumps-rise-w443902
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This will give you an idea of who is behind it: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/meet-the-alt-right-spokesman-thrilled-by-trumps-rise-w44390
Very informative article, but there's nothing in there about David French.
You'll have to identify why the alt-right would want to attack French more so than his enemies in the gaming world would.
Otherwise this is a classic cowboys dressed as indians attacking the wagon train situation.
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Sure you did...
I find it fascinating that my words needed to be 'rephrased' before you could use them.
That's how a straw man is built. :nono:
-btw speaking of knowing your fallacies, please show where I engaged in ad hominem toward David French
You said, "Maybe French should've sat down and compared notes with Trump before writing about his 'ordeal'." I said, "So you're saying that not doing so excuses all the disgusting vitriol directed at him and his family?" My words took exactly what you said (I didn't even rephrase them, as is clear from these exact quotations) and asked if you recognized the implications of your statement. Again, you seem to have no idea just what a strawman argument is.
As to your ad hominem, you said, "David French briefly stuck his nose into presidential politics and seems surprised at the de jour response from certain quarters," and, "David French also has an extensive background as a prolific online 'gamer', a sub-culture unto itself with a long history of viscous political troll wars and doxing. French famously mocked his gamer enemies in a 2015 NR blog in which he described these battles. So who knows what's really behind the ongoing attacks on French, its not like his anti-Trump blogging has had any meaningful impact on the race, and his foray as a candidate was so brief and inconsequential it is barely worth mentioning." I really shouldn't have to teach you what simple terms like "strawman" and "ad hominem" mean. If you're going to play in this arena, try to keep up.
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Very informative article, but there's nothing in there about David French.
You'll have to identify why the alt-right would want to attack French more so than his enemies in the gaming world would.
Otherwise this is a classic cowboys dressed as indians attacking the wagon train situation.
I'm wondering why you seem to run in circles trying to deflect attention away from the alt-right any time they are mentioned.
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As to your ad hominem, you said, "David French briefly stuck his nose into presidential politics and seems surprised at the de jour response from certain quarters," and, "David French also has an extensive background as a prolific online 'gamer', a sub-culture unto itself with a long history of viscous political troll wars and doxing. French famously mocked his gamer enemies in a 2015 NR blog in which he described these battles. So who knows what's really behind the ongoing attacks on French, its not like his anti-Trump blogging has had any meaningful impact on the race, and his foray as a candidate was so brief and inconsequential it is barely worth mentioning."
Fact based opinion doesn't constitute ad hominem, clearly I didn't attack French personally or call him any names. :shrug:
You may have majored in clever in college @Doug Loss , but you clearly failed here.
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I'm wondering why you seem to run in circles trying to deflect attention away from the alt-right any time they are mentioned.
Or you could respond to some of the legitimate issues I've raised, but that would require some effort on your part wouldn't it?
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Fact based opinion doesn't constitute ad hominem, clearly I didn't attack French personally or call him any names. :shrug:
You may have majored in clever in college @Doug Loss , but you clearly failed here.
Oh son, you really aren't doing yourself any favors here by trying to appear erudite. It just isn't working, and is only making you look foolish.
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Or you could respond to some of the legitimate issues I've raised, but that would require some effort on your part wouldn't it?
Hmmmm... Hypocrisy much? I just called you out elsewhere on this board for the same thing you accuse @LadyLiberty of. Small wonder that you're not able to bring anyone into the Trump camp.
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@Longmire
Nice avatar image. Is that something you plan on using if the results on Nov. 8 don't go your way?
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Or you could respond to some of the legitimate issues I've raised, but that would require some effort on your part wouldn't it?
Legitimate issues, LOL? You claim that gamers (seriously?) have learned the language and have taken on the persona of the alt-right? It's up to you to prove that. I have seen far too many attacked by them that are not gamers that your "look over there at that unicorn" misdirection only makes me roll my eyes.. You are the one that has attempted to deflect and shift blame from those who attack French. Why do you find it so important to do that? Are you alt-right?
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Legitimate issues, LOL? You claim that gamers (seriously?) have learned the language and have taken on the persona of the alt-right? It's up to you to prove that.
They have. Though gamergate seems to have died a much needed and unmourned death. Don't forget Milo Yappylittleshit latched on to gamers as a way of boosting his profile (well documented). So did Mike Cernovich, despite his oft repeated previous disdain for "basement dwelling gaming nerds."
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Fact based opinion doesn't constitute ad hominem, clearly I didn't attack French personally or call him any names. :shrug:
So calling a 40-year-old family man with a law degree and a full-time job at a national publication a "gamer" as a basis for excusing threats of violence against his family isn't name-calling?
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I just called you out elsewhere on this board for the same thing you accuse @LadyLiberty of.
Who knows what you're referring to here...I just checked my mentions and didn't see any from you. :shrug:
If you did in fact 'call me out' then it must have been so meekly I didn't notice.
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They have. Though gamergate seems to have died a much needed and unmourned death. Don't forget Milo Yappylittleshit latched on to gamers as a way of boosting his profile (well documented). So did Mike Cernovich, despite his oft repeated previous disdain for "basement dwelling gaming nerds."
David French's anti-social justice warrior writing actually dovetails nicely with Milo Yiannopoulos, Razib Khan, and the other 'white' nationalists on the alt-right. :laugh:
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David French's anti-social justice warrior writing actually dovetails nicely with Milo Yiannopoulos, Razib Khan, and the other 'white' nationalists on the alt-right. :laugh:
From everything that I've read on this thread, you seem to believe that the kind of threats and vitriol that French and his family have been objected to, are not only to be expected but in fact perfectly acceptable because of past behaviors, his sojourn into politics and some unproven allegations that you may have about his personal habits and his known associates.
Based on that, those who level threats and vitriol against Donald Trump and his family, are simply engaging in expected (and simply put) acceptable behavior due to Trump's KNOWN past behavior(s), his sojourn into politics, and all the allegations out there about his personal (and business) habits as well as his known associates (the Clintons).
Thank you for clarifying that.
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From everything that I've read on this thread, you seem to believe that the kind of threats and vitriol that French and his family have been objected to, are not only to be expected but in fact perfectly acceptable because of past behaviors, his sojourn into politics and some unproven allegations that you may have about his personal habits and his known associates.
Based on that, those who level threats and vitriol against Donald Trump and his family, are simply engaging in expected (and simply put) acceptable behavior due to Trump's KNOWN past behavior(s), his sojourn into politics, and all the allegations out there about his personal (and business) habits as well as his known associates (the Clintons).
Thank you for clarifying that.
Best mind your manners, Luis, or you'll get Longmired (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/avatars/avatar_116301_1477104198.png)
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Just a little tidbit just being reported. Curt Shilling hired by Breitbart. Hah, he questioned why the Jews vote democrat. He's the perfect fit for alt/right.
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Just a little tidbit just being reported. Curt Shilling hired by Breitbart. Hah, he questioned why the Jews vote democrat. He's the perfect fit for alt/right.
Another case of "We hate Jews, we say vile things about Jews, we threaten to restart the Holocaust, we encourage others to kill you by publishing your address and where your children go to school... why don't you vote for us?!?"
Which is the GOP this election cycle. The "alt-right" is part of the GOP, so what they do is (if not vigorously fought by the GOP) *IS* the actions of the GOP.
And the organization of the GOP and most of its politicians have rolled over and let it happened. With mealy mouthed statements of disgust AFTERWARDS!
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Just a little tidbit just being reported. Curt Shilling hired by Breitbart. Hah, he questioned why the Jews vote democrat. He's the perfect fit for alt/right.
Questioning why the Jews vote Democrat makes you alt-right? Guess I'm alt-right then.
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Just a little tidbit just being reported. Curt Shilling hired by Breitbart. Hah, he questioned why the Jews vote democrat. He's the perfect fit for alt/right.
Have you actually watched the interview with Jake Tapper? Schilling wasn't in any way negative toward Judaism or Jews in general. He asked a serious, reasonable question that many of us have wondered about over the years. Tapper answered it reasonably. There was no animus on either side. But predictably, the left and the MSM (but I repeat myself) is going batcrap crazy over the interview, completely mischaracterizing it so they can shriek about it. There was nothing Schilling said that a reasonable conservative wouldn't say. If he's a perfect fit for the alt-right, then alt-right doesn't mean what I thought it did. But actually, I just think you're wrong in your assessment.
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Questioning why the Jews vote Democrat makes you alt-right? Guess I'm alt-right then.
You and a lot of the rest of us...........
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And that was an appropriate question to ask??? So Tapper should answer for every Jewish person in the country.
Really???? Evidently his brilliance, Shilling, thinks all the Jewish people should be lining up to vote for his hero, Trump.
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Maybe French should've sat down and compared notes with Trump before writing about his 'ordeal'. :nono:
How can you defend that crap? Really?
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And that was an appropriate question to ask??? So Tapper should answer for every Jewish person in the country.
Really???? Evidently his brilliance, Shilling, thinks all the Jewish people should be lining up to vote for his hero, Trump.
Again, did you watch the video? He didn't ask Tapper to represent every Jew in the US, he just asked his opinion as someone who has been involved with the Jewish community his entire life. And your last sentence has nothing to do with what Schilling asked; it's pretty much setting up a strawman. We call others out for doing that--we shouldn't be doing it ourselves.
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From everything that I've read on this thread, you seem to believe that the kind of threats and vitriol that French and his family have been objected to, are not only to be expected but in fact perfectly acceptable because of past behaviors, his sojourn into politics and some unproven allegations that you may have about his personal habits and his known associates.
Based on that, those who level threats and vitriol against Donald Trump and his family, are simply engaging in expected (and simply put) acceptable behavior due to Trump's KNOWN past behavior(s), his sojourn into politics, and all the allegations out there about his personal (and business) habits as well as his known associates (the Clintons).
Analysis of imagined interpretations is dull and boring. :pondering:
Next time try writing non fiction.
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Just a little tidbit just being reported. Curt Shilling hired by Breitbart. Hah, he questioned why the Jews vote democrat. He's the perfect fit for alt/right.
That little move might cost him the Hall of Fame.