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Kyle Olson9 Jul 20201,764
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Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY), who just won her primary with 72.5 percent of the vote, said Thursday that public safety will require “experimentation†after police departments are defunded.
“We can disagree about the details of it, but we can’t go back,†Ocasio-Cortez said during a virtual town hall.
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Tommy Pigott
@TCPigott
Rep. Ocasio-Cortez proves Democrats have no idea what would take the place of police after defunding.
She calls for “experimentation†with public safety, and to “even pass laws in the spirit of that experimentationâ€
“And this conversation— figuring out that path forward— as much as we want policy to be ‘I’m going to propose it, I’m going to have all of the answers’ and put a neat little bow and pass this one law once and everything is going to be fixed, that’s how we wish all of this stuff works, but what really it’s going to take it experimentation, and to ask, ‘What if?'†she said.
“And to even pass laws in the spirit of that experimentation, as well,†the socialist congresswoman said.
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https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/07/09/aoc-public-safety-requires-experimentation-after-defunding-police/ (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/07/09/aoc-public-safety-requires-experimentation-after-defunding-police/)
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Are the US Capitol Police to be defunded first, as part of this experiment? Give us a couple of years and let us know how it went.
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That's called 'throwing the baby out with the bathwater'.
To tear down a vital system with no reasonable solution in reserve is beyond irresponsible.
It is downright stupid. Terror will reign in the streets.
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This is the same as the medieval Nobles who live in the defended castle, pulling troops from the peasant areas. Of course politicians and billionaires don't care about 'defunding the police'. They all have their own private police force. What happens to the peasants is not their problem. Which is why they are so willing to 'experiment'.
This will all lead directly to anarchy and chaos. And the people supporting this nutty idea know that full well. That is what they want. That is the goal.
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How many black lives need to be lost before they are willing to admit that their experiment illustrates the need for police.
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How many black lives need to be lost before they are willing to admit that their experiment illustrates the need for police.
By then it will be too late. Most current police officers will be retired or in a different career. And after watching the Police being pummeled by the very politicians they work for and in all the media, who would be crazy enough to apply for the job?
Nope. I'm afraid it is up to us to defend ourselves from now on. I am preparing for that very situation. We joke about hiding a body, but if it came down to a situation where I had to kill a criminal in my home, I seriously doubt that I would report it only to be sued, also vilified in the press and social media.
Not sure what I would do with the body. Hope it doesn't ever come to that.
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By then it will be too late. Most current police officers will be retired or in a different career. And after watching the Police being pummeled by the very politicians they work for and in all the media, who would be crazy enough to apply for the job?
Nope. I'm afraid it is up to us to defend ourselves from now on. I am preparing for that very situation. We joke about hiding a body, but if it came down to a situation where I had to kill a criminal in my home, I seriously doubt that I would report it only to be sued, also vilified in the press and social media.
Not sure what I would do with the body. Hope it doesn't ever come to that.
Sell what you got and be a pig farmer. :whistle:
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What happened to "If it saves just one life"?
Stupid liberals tear down a building to reinvent the truss, and will eventually end up with either the same design (because that's what all that 'experimentation' led to in the first place, or something more akin to the Soviet model, or the Kempetai secret police which is more likely their goal.
This is like buying a new car because you had a flat tire.
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or something more akin to the Soviet model, or the Kempetai secret police which is more likely their goal.
@Smokin Joe
Speaking of the Kempetai, have you watched the series 'The Man in the High Castle'?
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I hope the criminals hit her abode first, and see how this experiment works out for her.
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By then it will be too late. Most current police officers will be retired or in a different career. And after watching the Police being pummeled by the very politicians they work for and in all the media, who would be crazy enough to apply for the job?
Nope. I'm afraid it is up to us to defend ourselves from now on. I am preparing for that very situation. We joke about hiding a body, but if it came down to a situation where I had to kill a criminal in my home, I seriously doubt that I would report it only to be sued, also vilified in the press and social media.
Not sure what I would do with the body. Hope it doesn't ever come to that.
As the big cities get more lawless, I think the demand for law enforcement will increase significantly outside the war zone. I see more hiring in that respect.
Big difference for the thug perps , will be that they will play by our politican and citizen's rules, not theirs.
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@Smokin Joe
Speaking of the Kempetai, have you watched the series 'The Man in the High Castle'?
Yes. If anything, any portrayal of the Kempetai on screen will be far milder than they actually were.
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She calls for “experimentation†with public safety, and to “even pass laws in the spirit of that experimentationâ€
Lets conduct the "experiments" in Squeaky Spice's district.
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Lets conduct the "experiments" in Squeaky Spice's district.
Right. No sense in universally promoting an untried model, let her turf be the test bed.
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I hope the criminals hit her abode first, and see how this experiment works out for her.
My exact thought. It's not like the police aren't hampered enough by politics. Start your experiment with yourself...let me know how that works out.
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Hoodat wonders:
"How many black lives need to be lost before they are willing to admit that their experiment illustrates the need for police"
It doesn't matter -- is of no consequence to them.
In fact, the more black lives that are lost, the better.
Because... from their viewpoint, blacks are but cannon fodder for the communist insurgency.
The communists will NEVER give blacks any real power -- they are but tools to be used to attain the goal.
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Hoodat wonders:
"How many black lives need to be lost before they are willing to admit that their experiment illustrates the need for police"
It doesn't matter -- is of no consequence to them.
In fact, the more black lives that are lost, the better.
Because... from their viewpoint, blacks are but cannon fodder for the communist insurgency.
The communists will NEVER give blacks any real power -- they are but tools to be used to attain the goal.
@Fishrrman
You know what? If the majority of the blacks are so stupid they believe the stuff their "leaders" are promoting,they DESERVE slavery. It is their natural level in the order of things. They are clearly too stupid to be taking care of themselves.
This includes their "Wannabe black white followers".
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@Fishrrman
You know what? If the majority of the blacks are so stupid they believe the stuff their "leaders" are promoting,they DESERVE slavery. It is their natural level in the order of things. They are clearly too stupid to be taking care of themselves.
This includes their "Wannabe black white followers".
I wouldn't go so far as to say anyone deserves slavery, but it appears they are choosing it.
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I wouldn't go so far as to say anyone deserves slavery, but it appears they are choosing it.
Yes, they truly are.
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That's called 'throwing the baby out with the bathwater'.
To tear down a vital system with no reasonable solution in reserve is beyond irresponsible.
It is downright stupid. Terror will reign in the streets.
Stay out of the city @roamer_1 I think liberals are going to get what they are asking for. The destruction of their cities. Here in Washington they want to defund police by 50% Nobody is going to want a police job. Nobody is going to want to visit Seattle. It has already become the hellhole that everyone makes fun of and wouldn't step foot in. When people's businesses start failing and there is nothing left I wonder if they will even admit they have destroyed Seattle Washington. What a shame. And where are they going to get their money then?
Trump started this with First Act. BLM Kanye West wanting prisoners set free. He is as guilty as the rest of the liberals.
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Stay out of the city @roamer_1
That's a fair bet on any given day, darlin. Heck you could say 'stay out of town', and I'd only cross that up once or maybe twice a month - And it's only a mile off.
The last time I was in a city was Salt Lake City, for emergency care for my daughter, going on 25 years ago... And the time before that was either Chicago or KC, depending on which way I went first, and that was to show off my new wife to the folks, maybe 30 years ago. City ain't ever where I am.
But you and yours... I reckon you should highly consider moving east.
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That's a fair bet on any given day, darlin. Heck you could say 'stay out of town', and I'd only cross that up once or maybe twice a month - And it's only a mile off.
The last time I was in a city was Salt Lake City, for emergency care for my daughter, going on 25 years ago... And the time before that was either Chicago or KC, depending on which way I went first, and that was to show off my new wife to the folks, maybe 30 years ago. City ain't ever where I am.
But you and yours... I reckon you should highly consider moving east.
I already have my eyes set on retirement destination. Far from the city.
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I already have my eyes set on retirement destination. Far from the city.
Close enough to come sit on my porch for tea? Aw NM... A year or two and I will be so far back up in the holler you'd need a horse to get there. :shrug:
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Close enough to come sit on my porch for tea? Aw NM... A year or two and I will be so far back up in the holler you'd need a horse to get there. :shrug:
Probably not. 8888crybaby
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National defense is the only mandatory function of the national government. Most of the powers granted to Congress are permissive in nature. Congress is given certain authorities but not required by the Constitution to exercise them. For example, Article One, Section Eight gives Congress power to pass a bankruptcy code, but Congress actually did not enact bankruptcy laws until well into the 19th century.
But the Constitution does require the federal government to protect the nation. Article Four, Section Four states that the “United States shall guarantee to every State a republican form of government and shall protect each of them against invasion.†In other words, even if the federal government chose to exercise no other power, it must, under the Constitution, provide for the common defense.
https://www.heritage.org/defense/report/constitutional-basis-defense (https://www.heritage.org/defense/report/constitutional-basis-defense)
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I think that she's been 'sperimentin' a little to much with mind bending substances.
:pop41:
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I wouldn't go so far as to say anyone deserves slavery, but it appears they are choosing it.
@roamer_1 @Smokin Joe
What's the difference between choosing it and deserving it,other than the people who choose it have nothing to bitch about?
These people are NATURAL slaves or they would no longer demand they be free and responsible for themselves.
If you want to have sympathy for someone,have it for the people who were forced into slavery,not the people who welcome it.
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I think that she's been 'sperimentin' a little to much with mind bending substances.
:pop41:
Assumes a fact not in evidence, :silly: . wink777
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Stay out of the city @roamer_1 I think liberals are going to get what they are asking for. The destruction of their cities. Here in Washington they want to defund police by 50% Nobody is going to want a police job. Nobody is going to want to visit Seattle. It has already become the hellhole that everyone makes fun of and wouldn't step foot in. When people's businesses start failing and there is nothing left I wonder if they will even admit they have destroyed Seattle Washington. What a shame. And where are they going to get their money then?
@Chosen Daughter
They are going to demand it from thee and me,or course. You don't really expect them to go without party favors and cable teebee,do you?
Trump started this with First Act.
You are as full of Pelosi as a Christmas Goose. If it rains when we don't need rain,you blame it on Trump. IF you were within shouting distance of sanity,you would realize Trump is the ONLY think keeping us all from becoming slaves of the state.
But you are not sane,so I am wasting my time.
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That's a fair bet on any given day, darlin. Heck you could say 'stay out of town', and I'd only cross that up once or maybe twice a month - And it's only a mile off.
The last time I was in a city was Salt Lake City, for emergency care for my daughter, going on 25 years ago... And the time before that was either Chicago or KC, depending on which way I went first, and that was to show off my new wife to the folks, maybe 30 years ago. City ain't ever where I am.
But you and yours... I reckon you should highly consider moving east.
@roamer_1 @Chosen Daughter
Oh,HELL,NO! We already have more than our fair share of fools in the east already. She should remain in the west,where being fool is also a profession.
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Assumes a fact not in evidence, :silly: . wink777
@PeteS in CA
Only if you have her on "ignore".
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@roamer_1 @Chosen Daughter
Oh,HELL,NO! We already have more than our fair share of fools in the east already. She should remain in the west,where being fool is also a profession.
@sneakypete
There is no 'west' from where Chosen lives... Or at least not much.
East would bring her here, and @Chosen Daughter is welcome on my porch anytime.
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But the Constitution does require the federal government to protect the nation. Article Four, Section Four states that the “United States shall guarantee to every State a republican form of government and shall protect each of them against invasion.†In other words, even if the federal government chose to exercise no other power, it must, under the Constitution, provide for the common defense.
Article IV, Sec 4
The United States shall guarantee to every state in this union a republican form of government, and shall protect each of them against invasion; and on application of the legislature, or of the executive (when the legislature cannot be convened) against domestic violence.
Protection must be afforded any State against domestic violence provided that such State requests protection via their legislature or by default their governor. In other words, if the State of Washington does not request protection, then the Federal government is under no obligation to provide it.
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Article IV, Sec 4
The United States shall guarantee to every state in this union a republican form of government, and shall protect each of them against invasion; and on application of the legislature, or of the executive (when the legislature cannot be convened) against domestic violence.
Protection must be afforded any State against domestic violence provided that such State requests protection via their legislature or by default their governor. In other words, if the State of Washington does not request protection, then the Federal government is under no obligation to provide it.
Now, using the latest Roberts' SCOTUS logic, any State run by Democrats should have its government nullified because it isn't Republican. :pondering:
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Article IV, Sec 4
The United States shall guarantee to every state in this union a republican form of government, and shall protect each of them against invasion; and on application of the legislature, or of the executive (when the legislature cannot be convened) against domestic violence.
Protection must be afforded any State against domestic violence provided that such State requests protection via their legislature or by default their governor. In other words, if the State of Washington does not request protection, then the Federal government is under no obligation to provide it.
Oh, yes he can and he knows it. The Insurrection Act. He just talks about it though. And FOX News runs clips of armed rioters. We have seen people gunned down. States talking about disassembling their law enforcement is a threat to the Security of the Nation. Its a threat to every citizen. But it seems more advantageous to allow it all to continue. Somehow doing nothing and letting anarchy reign in our streets is good for elections.
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Oh, yes he can and he knows it. The Insurrection Act. He just talks about it though. And FOX News runs clips of armed rioters. We have seen people gunned down. States talking about disassembling their law enforcement is a threat to the Security of the Nation. Its a threat to every citizen. But it seems more advantageous to allow it all to continue. Somehow doing nothing and letting anarchy reign in our streets is good for elections.
Oh yes, 'who' can? What does this even mean? I said that without a formal request, the federal government is under no obligation under Article IV to address domestic violence. How is that even related to your response? Or is this just another Trump bashing moment.
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Oh yes, 'who' can? What does this even mean? I said that without a formal request, the federal government is under no obligation under Article IV to address domestic violence. How is that even related to your response? Or is this just another Trump bashing moment.
Trump. You knew that but I will call him by name next time. Obligation doesn't stand in the way of restoring order.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution-conan/article-2/section-3/the-president-as-law-enforcer (https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution-conan/article-2/section-3/the-president-as-law-enforcer)
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Oh yes, 'who' can? What does this even mean? I said that without a formal request, the federal government is under no obligation under Article IV to address domestic violence. How is that even related to your response? Or is this just another Trump bashing moment.
Yes, under the Constitution the President's main responsibility is to uphold the Constitution and nowhere in the Constitution does it specifically state his duty is to protect its citizens. However, under the Insurrection Act the President does have the full authority without a formal request from the states to deploy the military and use the national guard to calm civil unrest. Ideally, use of the national guard is the best resource for the State governors to utilize during civil unrest. Obviously what we continue to see is the failure of the governors to take the needed action to protect the citizens of their states.
Several times the President has mentioned that he will take action and yes, he mentioned utilizing his authority under the Insurrection Act if governors didn't do their job. Trump has yet to do so. During his speech at Mt. Rushmore he again made reference that things (civil unrest) would be changed very quickly. Again, there has been little change.
Churches are burning, kids are being killed, rioting is still going on, yet nothing is done. Oh, well, he did mention that he was going to sign an e.o. granting a pathway to citizenship for DACA.
Allowing the riots to continue and granting amnesty to DACA recipients may be political maneuvers, but he sure isn't winning my vote; quite the opposite.
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However, under the Insurrection Act the President does have the full authority without a formal request from the states to deploy the military and use the national guard to calm civil unrest.
@libertybele
Yeah,and how would THAT work out for him,PR-wise? Think CNN,The Toady Show,AllAboutCommunism,or the other networks will stand up and applaud?
You DO know there is an election coming up,right? And you DO know that most elections are ironically enough,decided by the "undecided voters"?
How do YOU think they would react to "Trump orders troops to gun down innocent wimmin and chill-runs in the street!" headlines?
You have to get re-elected to do anything.
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@libertybele
Yeah,and how would THAT work out for him,PR-wise? Think CNN,The Toady Show,AllAboutCommunism,or the other networks will stand up and applaud?
You DO know there is an election coming up,right? And you DO know that most elections are ironically enough,decided by the "undecided voters"?
How do YOU think they would react to "Trump orders troops to gun down innocent wimmin and chill-runs in the street!" headlines?
You have to get re-elected to do anything.
Awe Sneaky is fearful of what the Communists will think.
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Awe Sneaky is fearful of what the Communists will think.
@Chosen Daughter
I see your prediction record remains perfect.
Get someone to explain that to you if your rev-rund is out of town.
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Trump. You knew that but I will call him by name next time. Obligation doesn't stand in the way of restoring order.
So the goalposts have been moved from 'Trump is required to do something' to 'Trump can do something'. Got it.
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So the goalposts have been moved from 'Trump is required to do something' to 'Trump can do something'. Got it.
Not in my mind.
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Awe Sneaky is fearful of what the Communists will think.
It isn't what the Communists will think: We already know they hate YHWH and His Children.
It is what the Communists will convince the brainwashed masses to think, leading them down the wide smooth road to Hell.
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It isn't what the Communists will think: We already know they hate YHWH and His Children.
It is what the Communists will convince the brainwashed masses to think, leading them down the wide smooth road to Hell.
I bet King Cyrus didn't have to whine about opposition to him carrying out God's Will. Just saying. I don't think YHWH would be sending Q signals either. And if it was Gods Will the deep state would be toast by now.
Another thing doesn't fit that you should think about. At a private party with Ruddy's associates Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman Trump gets a present from the Ukrainian Rabbi. Parnas tells Trump he is the Messiah. I am not going to get into that but the children of YHWH know what that means.
https://www.jpost.com/American-Politics/In-secret-recording-Lev-Parnas-and-Igor-Fruman-draw-parallel-between-Trump-and-the-messiah-615474 (https://www.jpost.com/American-Politics/In-secret-recording-Lev-Parnas-and-Igor-Fruman-draw-parallel-between-Trump-and-the-messiah-615474)
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I bet King Cyrus didn't have to whine about opposition to him carrying out God's Will. Just saying. I don't think YHWH would be sending Q signals either. And if it was Gods Will the deep state would be toast by now.
Another thing doesn't fit that you should think about. At a private party with Ruddy's associates Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman Trump gets a present from the Ukrainian Rabbi. Parnas tells Trump he is the Messiah. I am not going to get into that but the children of YHWH know what that means.
https://www.jpost.com/American-Politics/In-secret-recording-Lev-Parnas-and-Igor-Fruman-draw-parallel-between-Trump-and-the-messiah-615474 (https://www.jpost.com/American-Politics/In-secret-recording-Lev-Parnas-and-Igor-Fruman-draw-parallel-between-Trump-and-the-messiah-615474)
If you would have the Communists in power, then what side of all this are you on.
Nothing like promoting evil to do good? Only it doesn't work that way. Since you insist on making this about trump (as you would, no doubt, a post about butterflies) Sure, he is imperfect--AS WE ALL ARE. (Romans 3:10).
But he hasn't made it his stock in trade to destroy all references to The Almighty, nor Our Saviour, as the Communists have.
You want to be a martyr, go there and preach, they will not disappoint. Don't give them power here.
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I bet King Cyrus didn't have to whine about opposition to him carrying out God's Will. Just saying.
He didn't have to. Cyrus was a king. He had absolute power.
Right now, Trump stands in the gap just as Cyrus did. And I am sure Cyrus had his detractors as well, although they weren't as vocal lest their lives be jeopardized.
Part of what is going on now is that G-d is revealing the battle that lies before us and is giving us a clear choice in November. Either way, there will be violence after this election.
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He didn't have to. Cyrus was a king. He had absolute power.
Right now, Trump stands in the gap just as Cyrus did. And I am sure Cyrus had his detractors as well, although they weren't as vocal lest their lives be jeopardized.
Part of what is going on now is that G-d is revealing the battle that lies before us and is giving us a clear choice in November. Either way, there will be violence after this election.
Oh, I see. You buy into the Trump/Cyrus prophesy. And you see that is much of my problem with Trump. (by far not all) It From the false prophesies to the conspiracy theory Q. Its all one big fantasy. And we have Fruman telling Trump he's the Messiah.
Imperfect person isn't the word for Trump. He is destroying this country, while we all play our reality game. Its like watching episodes of Survivalist. It isn't even serious. It goes from one chaotic episode to the next. And I hate his foreign policy. His hyper nationalism that is putting our country in danger. If Trump wins another 4 years this country is bound to have another major terrorist attack. Because Trump is isolationist and supports, even calls extremist Erdogan friend. Russia busy taking its place in Afghanistan helping Taliban. Turkey, Russia and Iran are the new axis of evil and Trump has just stood by and allowed it.
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Oh, I see. You buy into the Trump/Cyrus prophesy.
Prophesy? What prophesy?
And you see that is much of my problem with Trump.
No, your problem with Trump is that you have made a judgment against him, and you will get in agreement with anything that maligns him with zero regard to truth.
Imperfect person isn't the word for Trump. He is destroying this country, while we all play our reality game.
Others seem him as the only thing standing in the way of this country being destroyed. And after witnessing the current state of lawlessness that is infesting our cities, I tend to agree with them.
And I hate his foreign policy. His hype nationalism that is putting our country in danger.
I wasn't a fan of his foreign policy either. But I gotta admit that he has pulled it off. His thinking was completely outside the Establishment box, but he got it done. And no, it hasn't put our country in danger. In fact, it has made us safer, North Korea and Iran being prime examples. Anyone even thinking about attacking us now has got to be thinking that Trump would retaliate with full nuke attack. Better to be feared than to be loved.
Because Trump is isolationist and supports, even calls extremist Erdogan friend.
He got Erdogan to release Pastor Andrew Brunson. For that, I really don't give a damn what he called him. Actions matter more than words.
Russia busy taking its place in Afghanistan helping Taliban.
The only people on the planet that the Taliban hates more than the US (besides Israel) would be the Russians.
Turkey, Russia and Iran are the new axis of evil and Trump has just stood by and allowed it.
The new axis of evil? You really believe this? Seriously? Turkey and Iran/Russia are on opposing sides in Syria. What you are saying simply is not true.
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Prophesy? What prophesy?
https://www.redletterchristians.org/debunking-the-trump-cyrus-prophecy/ (https://www.redletterchristians.org/debunking-the-trump-cyrus-prophecy/)
No, your problem with Trump is that you have made a judgment against him, and you will get in agreement with anything that maligns him with zero regard to truth.
No, its about his chaos, his comedy show. His incompetence to do anything. Even do the things he says he will do. I fully admit that I have never liked him. I like it even less that Christians are making some kind of anointed King out of him.
Others seem him as the only thing standing in the way of this country being destroyed. And after witnessing the current state of lawlessness that is infesting our cities, I tend to agree with them.
I feel sad for you because all he has done is talk. Always say's he is going to do something and does nothing.
I wasn't a fan of his foreign policy either. But I gotta admit that he has pulled it off. His thinking was completely outside the Establishment box, but he got it done. And no, it hasn't put our country in danger. In fact, it has made us safer, North Korea and Iran being prime examples. Anyone even thinking about attacking us now has got to be thinking that Trump would retaliate with full nuke attack. Better to be feared than to be loved.
No, he hasn't pulled anything off. Bad players are jockeying for power wherever we leave the void. Christianity in the ME and worldwide is increasingly suffering from persecution. Jihad.
He got Erdogan to release Pastor Andrew Brunson. For that, I really don't give a damn what he called him. Actions matter more than words.
Oh, yes he did and I am grateful. But at what cost. One pastor and villages of Christians now suffering the Jihad sting of the Turkish invasion.
The only people on the planet that the Taliban hates more than the US (besides Israel) would be the Russians.
I don't think so. Although they are using semantics to downplay Russia paying Taliban and supplying them with weapons it is a fact. It has been reported at least since 2019. They are arguing over the word "bounty"
The new axis of evil? You really believe this? Seriously? Turkey and Iran/Russia are on opposing sides in Syria. What you are saying simply is not true.
Yes, I do believe that and you should too because it is true. It has been in the news all month.
Russia, Turkey and Iran coordinate anti-US Syria policy, slamming Israel
Today, the US says it guards “oil†in eastern Syria and has a base at Tanf near the Jordanian border.
By SETH J. FRANTZMAN JULY 5, 2020 17:10
https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/russia-turkey-and-iran-coordinate-anti-us-syria-policy-slamming-israel-633680 (https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/russia-turkey-and-iran-coordinate-anti-us-syria-policy-slamming-israel-633680)
Please read:
Mideast Africa
What was Russia’s Putin up to after the death of Iran’s Soleimani?
By: Matthew Bodner   January 15
https://www.defensenews.com/global/mideast-africa/2020/01/15/what-was-russias-putin-up-to-after-the-death-of-irans-soleimani/ (https://www.defensenews.com/global/mideast-africa/2020/01/15/what-was-russias-putin-up-to-after-the-death-of-irans-soleimani/)[/color]
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Prophesy? What prophesy?
https://www.redletterchristians.org/debunking-the-trump-cyrus-prophecy/ (https://www.redletterchristians.org/debunking-the-trump-cyrus-prophecy/)
Your article clearly states that there is no prophecy. As a member of a prophetic church, I take these things seriously. It is clear to me now that the word 'prophecy' does not mean what you think it means. Once again, you have jumped onto an anti-Trump diatribe without taking the time to decipher what was actually being said (which also explains why you supplied a link instead of actually answering the question).
Characterizing Trump as a friend of Israel (like Cyprus was) has absolutely nothing to do with long-standing prophesy. It is entirely possible that Trump received a personal prophetic word on this, but that is between him and G-d.
I fully admit that I have never liked him.
And thus the source of your bias. Your animosity towards Trump overrides your ability to discern truth from falsehood. If the narrative bashes Trump, then you are 100% on board even when that narrative is 100% false. It has become an observable pattern with you.
He got Erdogan to release Pastor Andrew Brunson. For that, I really don't give a damn what he called him. Actions matter more than words.
Oh, yes he did and I am grateful. But at what cost. One pastor and villages of Christians now suffering the Jihad sting of the Turkish invasion.
The Turkish invasion has absolutely positively NOTHING to do with Pastor Andrew's release. Could you possibly turn off you hate for just one minute and be thankful that Trump got him out? If Hillary had won, Pastor Andrew would still be over there sharing a prison cell with Christian-hating jihadists.
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He didn't have to. Cyrus was a king. He had absolute power.
Right now, Trump stands in the gap just as Cyrus did. And I am sure Cyrus had his detractors as well, although they weren't as vocal lest their lives be jeopardized.
Part of what is going on now is that G-d is revealing the battle that lies before us and is giving us a clear choice in November. Either way, there will be violence after this election.
A clear choice that.... alas.... the stuckonstupid morons are eternally unable to discern.
Good thing God has it handled ... and not them.
As for the violence, that tree is awfully thirsty now. It's about time....
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https://www.redletterchristians.org/debunking-the-trump-cyrus-prophecy/ (https://www.redletterchristians.org/debunking-the-trump-cyrus-prophecy/)
Your article clearly states that there is no prophecy. As a member of a prophetic church, I take these things seriously. It is clear to me now that the word 'prophecy' does not mean what you think it means. Once again, you have jumped onto an anti-Trump diatribe without taking the time to decipher what was actually being said (which also explains why you supplied a link instead of actually answering the question).
Characterizing Trump as a friend of Israel (like Cyprus was) has absolutely nothing to do with long-standing prophesy. It is entirely possible that Trump received a personal prophetic word on this, but that is between him and G-d.
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Pentecostal/charismatic vs. non-P/c issues really aren't in play the Cyrus prophecy business. Because the Cyrus-Trump comparison is not, that I've heard of, any prophecy but simply people saying the nonbeliever Trump is analogous to nonbeliever Cyrus in benefiting Christian believers as Cyrus benefited Jews. It's a comparison, not some sort of prophecy. Had @Chosen Daughter read the Michael Brown article she posted in an Alternate Realities forum thread, she would understand that. Whether Chosen does, :shrug: . BTW, IIRC, Michael Brown is a charismatic.
How this thread Trumpjacking has anything to do with AOC's lunacy, I also :shrug: .
Fixed a word substitution.
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A clear choice that.... alas.... the stuckonstupid morons are eternally unable to discern.
Oh they can discern it alright. Like I said, G-d is making the choice clear - Lawfulness or lawlessness. They just aren't making the same choice as you.
2 Thessalonians 2:5-12 (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Thessalonians+2%3A5-12&version=NKJV)
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Oh they can discern it alright. Like I said, G-d is making the choice clear - Lawfulness or lawlessness. They just aren't making the same choice as you.
2 Thessalonians 2:5-12 (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Thessalonians+2%3A5-12&version=NKJV)
No, some truly don't know. Like this black lady I spoke to at the store today. Very friendly so we struck up a conversation about the masks and virus while waiting in line. She finally got around to saying something negative about Trump, but I could tell it was something she had "heard" (and no, I didn't bother to correct her... it would have taken too long) ... vs. something that she knew.
There are a LOT of folks out there that are just ignorant of the truth, facts and the reality....and have been fed nothing but disinformation (lies). And since they either don't have all the facts/truth... they will no doubt make the wrong choice this November. It is what it is.
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The Belobed Dopey should remember that Robespierre was executed by the very mobs he thought he controlled.
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Your article clearly states that there is no prophecy. As a member of a prophetic church, I take these things seriously. It is clear to me now that the word 'prophecy' does not mean what you think it means. Once again, you have jumped onto an anti-Trump diatribe without taking the time to decipher what was actually being said (which also explains why you supplied a link instead of actually answering the question).
Yes there IS a prophecy, and the main was given by Kim Clement before his death. Trey Smith on Youtube has done quite a bit on it (from a favorable point of view)
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Yes there IS a prophecy, and the main was given by Kim Clement before his death. Trey Smith on Youtube has done quite a bit on it (from a favorable point of view)
Thank you, @roamer_1 . I will check it out.
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No, some truly don't know. Like this black lady I spoke to at the store today. Very friendly so we struck up a conversation about the masks and virus while waiting in line. She finally got around to saying something negative about Trump, but I could tell it was something she had "heard" (and no, I didn't bother to correct her... it would have taken too long) ... vs. something that she knew.
There are a LOT of folks out there that are just ignorant of the truth, facts and the reality....and have been fed nothing but disinformation (lies). And since they either don't have all the facts/truth... they will no doubt make the wrong choice this November. It is what it is.
That's fair. A great point I have also made. BY FAR AND AWAY, most folks are not politically minded, and many don't care about the news.
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Thank you, @roamer_1 . I will check it out.
I would be very interested in your reaction, @Hoodat , to that as well as the fireman's prophecies, and whether in your mind they have weight.
I am pro-spirit, pro-gifts, a charismatic a step or two away from the Pentecostals... but my radar on discernment runs way different. PM would likely be better, as many cc'd as you would like :beer:
This is one example of why there shoulld be a religion forum here, where things like this can be winnowed... SHOULD be winnowed.
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Yes there IS a prophecy, and the main was given by Kim Clement before his death. Trey Smith on Youtube has done quite a bit on it (from a favorable point of view)
Much of what came from Bethel Redding.