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General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: mystery-ak on August 07, 2022, 05:47:39 pm
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Cardin: If You Paid Your Taxes, ‘You Should Want’ to Have 87,000 More IRS Agents
Pam Key 7 Aug 2022
Senator Ben Cardin (D-MD) said on this week’s “Fox News Sunday” broadcast that people who pay their taxes should not worry about the Democrats’ bill that ramps up enforcement at the IRS.
Partial transcript as follows:
HOST MIKE EMANUEL: The bill also includes $80 billion to ramp up enforcement at the IRS. Here is Senate GOP Leader Mitch McConnell.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
SEN. MITCH MCCONNELL (R-KY): American families don’t want tens of thousands more IRS agents. What they like are more border patrol and ICE agents.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
EMANUEL: I know you’re working hard at improving this very unpopular agency, but, Senator, rich people have accountants and high-powered attorneys.
Do you worry that ramped up enforcement will only end up hurting middle and working-class Americans?
CARDIN: You’re right. I have worked with Republicans and Democrats to try to modernize the IRS.
Most Americans pay their taxes. Most Americans have their taxes taken out from their payroll and there’s never a question of their paying their fair share of taxes.
But for those that have complicated incomes, those who have high incomes, they’re the ones that are escaping. It’s been estimated that we have a $1 trillion leakage in tax collections every year. I think most Americans want a level playing field. They want to pay their taxes but they want everyone else paying their taxes. So I think this is a fair situation. The IRS desperately needs help and this bill gives them the help they need.
EMANUEL: Let me follow up there. Can you understand how 87,000 new IRS agents would scare the heck out of millions of Americans?
CARDIN: Well, millions of Americans aren’t going to be impacted by that other than getting better service from the IRS, having their telephone answered, getting the questions they need in order to comply with our tax laws. The auditing is going to be focused on those with high income, the large corporations, etc. So, there’s no reason to be fearful. And if you paid your taxes and if you comply with our laws, you should want to make sure everyone else does that.
https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2022/08/07/cardin-if-you-paid-your-taxes-you-should-want-to-have-87000-more-irs-agents/
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Tax payers don't want to pay the salaries of 87,000 more gestapo agents.
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They won't be going after tax cheats. There will be more tax agents to go after political opponents.
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They won't be going after tax cheats. There will be more tax agents to go after political opponents.
Yep.
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I pay my taxes meticulously.
I have gotten an IRS letter every year for the past 11 claiming I owe addtional tax.
10 of 11 of those years.... I was right, and they were wrong.
So I now get to deal with an addtional 87,000 F up's?
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Cardin has never been audited, and never will be.
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My brother went 10 years or so without filing a return. IRS did nothing. My mother's accountant got him straightened out. Now he's gone another 6 or 7 years without filing. Still no sign of the IRS. But of course, he's apolitical, so no one cares.
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My brother went 10 years or so without filing a return. IRS did nothing. My mother's accountant got him straightened out. Now he's gone another 6 or 7 years without filing. Still no sign of the IRS. But of course, he's apolitical, so no one cares.
Is his income reported on 1099s? The IRS has a huge backlog, but that could be changing soon.
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My brother went 10 years or so without filing a return. IRS did nothing. My mother's accountant got him straightened out. Now he's gone another 6 or 7 years without filing. Still no sign of the IRS. But of course, he's apolitical, so no one cares.
If he’s mainly W-2 income, he’s probably made some gifts to Uncle Sam he can’t get back. The withholding system is intentionally designed to over withhold on W-2 income, to incentivize people to file returns. That would also explain why he’s low on the priority list for examination.
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If they put a significant number of these additional agents on the various phone systems, that would be a benefit. Right now the IRS only answers about 11% of the calls it gets, and getting your call answered can require spending an hour or two on hold.
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I pay my taxes meticulously.
I have gotten an IRS letter every year for the past 11 claiming I owe addtional tax.
10 of 11 of those years.... I was right, and they were wrong.
So I now get to deal with an addtional 87,000 F up's?
That's the real problem. You THINK you paid your taxes, till some IRS douchewheel comes along and says you didn't. Then you spend ridiculous money and time away from your life trying to defend yourself every flippin' year.
Republicans, conservatives and Trump supporters will get extra scrutiny of course.
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Is his income reported on 1099s? The IRS has a huge backlog, but that could be changing soon.
He didn't report income when he worked (W-2s) and doesn't file returns now that he receives Social Security and investment income (1099).
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The only news about the IRS I want to hear is that its gone!
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He'd have a point, but I am not envious and I don't complain if anybody has more than I do. I learned long ago that the only wealth I should pay attention to is my own.
Same for taxes. I don't GAF about anybody's but my own. No reason to complicate my life like that.
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Benny Johnson 🍊
@bennyjohnson
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Did you know that the IRS only audits Americans who live in RED States?
Large swaths of the country are left untouched and unmolested by federal power — as long as they consistently deliver for the Democrat party.
See the east coast, upper Midwest, PA, New York & Illinois!?!?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FZt9kxyXgAA-1ef?format=jpg&name=small)
That, and apparently the IRS has always gone after poor people who claim the Earned Income Credit.
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That, and apparently the IRS has always gone after poor people who claim the Earned Income Credit.
NE and Midwest are getting a free ride at the expense of mostly red southern states.
Nothing fishy about that. /s
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https://youtu.be/LKcYNpl5xeM
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No, I don't.
The IRS will chase the lowest hanging fruit to juice their daily, weekly, monthly, quarterly, and yearly performance statistics to get bigger bonuses for the bosses.
In the end, it's a chase for more numbers. It's easier, and quicker, to get more from people who don't have lawyers and accountants.
Chasing high net worth people and corporations down for alleged owed taxes can take years, thousand of hours, and millions of dollars. In the meantime, the IRS supervisors need to show more immediate results to placate their bosses. This is how jack-booted government thugs come to raid a shanty in Appalachia for the loose change in a child's piggy bank.
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The only news about the IRS I want to hear is that its gone!
:yowsa:
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:yowsa:
I hate to be repetitive, but a simple flat tax could actually be configured to be a net increase abd positive for the fed's coffers......
But that would mean the congress and the federal government relinqusihing power. We know the odds of that.
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I hate to be repetitive, but a simple flat tax could actually be configured to be a net increase abd positive for the fed's coffers......
But that would mean the congress and the federal government relinqusihing power. We know the odds of that.
A point of retail sale only national sales tax would not require the government to know so much as your name to collect its taxes.
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A point of retail sale only national sales tax would not require the government to know so much as your name to collect its taxes.
Yep, lots of ways to skin that cat. But, most importantly the cat has to be skinned.
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ABOLISH THE IRS!!
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Yep, lots of ways to skin that cat. But, most importantly the cat has to be skinned.
:yowsa: And I favor the most FREEDOM friendly way possible! The Fairtax! HR25
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ABOLISH THE IRS!!
:amen: and :amen:
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ABOLISH THE IRS!!
Seconded....
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If we were to replace the Income Tax with a National Sales Tax, we would still have the IRS. :shrug:
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If we were to replace the Income Tax with a National Sales Tax, we would still have the IRS. :shrug:
No, much worse. We would have a massive Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms, and Everything Else Sold Under the Sun. I don't need some ATF+ agent coming by my house questioning me on whether I can prove I paid taxes on the wood stacked up in my back yard.
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I'm sure the Global Climate Change Moonbats want to levy a toilet flush tax ... for the environment, and the children.
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No, much worse. We would have a massive Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms, and Everything Else Sold Under the Sun. I don't need some ATF+ agent coming by my house questioning me on whether I can prove I paid taxes on the wood stacked up in my back yard.
And all businesses, large and small, will be under permanent Audit, like Donald Trump.
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If we were to replace the Income Tax with a National Sales Tax, we would still have the IRS. :shrug:
BZZZZ! Wrong!
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No, much worse. We would have a massive Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms, and Everything Else Sold Under the Sun. I don't need some ATF+ agent coming by my house questioning me on whether I can prove I paid taxes on the wood stacked up in my back yard.
BS! 100% USDA Choice! We would have exactly what Texas and 45 other states have today and nothing more!
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BZZZZ! Wrong!
I wish I could agree with that. We've disagreed agreeably on this subject for years, and that's OK.
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BS! 100% USDA Choice! We would have exactly what Texas and 45 other states have today and nothing more!
Texas currently has federal IRS agents cracking down on income earners. With a national sales tax, Texas will have federal 'revenuers' cracking down on consumers.
I am not afraid of Texas tax agents. I am afraid of Federal tax agents. And Texans are already dealing with those.
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I propose that when a Republican takes office after the 2024 election, he immediately assign those 87,000 new IRS agents to the southern border in order to cut down on the large number of illegals coming across to live on benefits provided by the tax dollars paid by honest Americans.
:smokin:
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. . . to cut down on the large number of illegals coming across to live on benefits provided by the tax dollars paid by honest Americans.
And there it is. Stop handing out free shit to illegals, and you will stop seeing 5,000 illegals a day crossing the border.
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BZZZZ! Wrong!
Then who is going to raise $6 trillion? That's something like $18k per head. As long as the vast majority of Americans want cradle-to-grave welfare and world police, the collection agents are likely to be a menace. Republicans pay zero respect to candidates who wish to cut spending. Just look at how Trump dealt with Thomas Massie ... fool retweeted John Kerry, who said "Congressman Massie has tested positive for being an bleep. He must be quarantined to prevent the spread of his massive stupidity..."
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I wish I could agree with that. We've disagreed agreeably on this subject for years, and that's OK.
https://youtu.be/HTOOw7u_lsI
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Texas currently has federal IRS agents cracking down on income earners. With a national sales tax, Texas will have federal 'revenuers' cracking down on consumers.
I am not afraid of Texas tax agents. I am afraid of Federal tax agents. And Texans are already dealing with those.
The IRS is disbanded BY STATUTE in the legislation I support!
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The income tax comes to us directly from the Communist manifesto!
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Then who is going to raise $6 trillion? That's something like $18k per head. As long as the vast majority of Americans want cradle-to-grave welfare and world police, the collection agents are likely to be a menace. Republicans pay zero respect to candidates who wish to cut spending. Just look at how Trump dealt with Thomas Massie ... fool retweeted John Kerry, who said "Congressman Massie has tested positive for being an bleep. He must be quarantined to prevent the spread of his massive stupidity..."
The states! With the very same collection mechanisms they currently use to collect their state sales taxes! Two or three additional lines of code in the software! nothing more.
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The IRS is disbanded BY STATUTE in the legislation I support!
The ATF is not.
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The ATF is not.
One thing at a time!
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The IRS is disbanded BY STATUTE in the legislation I support!
Somebody has to administer the "Prebates." So it will have to be a brand-new bureaucracy created by the same people who brought us the IRS.
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Somebody has to administer the "Prebates." So it will have to be a brand-new bureaucracy created by the same people who brought us the IRS.
Nope! That is handled by the Social Security administration.
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Cardin: If You Paid Your Taxes, ‘You Should Want’ to Have 87,000 More IRS Agents
Pam Key 7 Aug 2022
Senator Ben Cardin (D-MD) said on this week’s “Fox News Sunday” broadcast that people who pay their taxes should not worry about the Democrats’ bill that ramps up enforcement at the IRS.
Partial transcript as follows:
HOST MIKE EMANUEL: The bill also includes $80 billion to ramp up enforcement at the IRS. Here is Senate GOP Leader Mitch McConnell.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
SEN. MITCH MCCONNELL (R-KY): American families don’t want tens of thousands more IRS agents. What they like are more border patrol and ICE agents.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
EMANUEL: I know you’re working hard at improving this very unpopular agency, but, Senator, rich people have accountants and high-powered attorneys.
Do you worry that ramped up enforcement will only end up hurting middle and working-class Americans?
CARDIN: You’re right. I have worked with Republicans and Democrats to try to modernize the IRS.
Most Americans pay their taxes. Most Americans have their taxes taken out from their payroll and there’s never a question of their paying their fair share of taxes.
But for those that have complicated incomes, those who have high incomes, they’re the ones that are escaping. It’s been estimated that we have a $1 trillion leakage in tax collections every year. I think most Americans want a level playing field. They want to pay their taxes but they want everyone else paying their taxes. So I think this is a fair situation. The IRS desperately needs help and this bill gives them the help they need.
EMANUEL: Let me follow up there. Can you understand how 87,000 new IRS agents would scare the heck out of millions of Americans?
CARDIN: Well, millions of Americans aren’t going to be impacted by that other than getting better service from the IRS, having their telephone answered, getting the questions they need in order to comply with our tax laws. The auditing is going to be focused on those with high income, the large corporations, etc. So, there’s no reason to be fearful. And if you paid your taxes and if you comply with our laws, you should want to make sure everyone else does that.
https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2022/08/07/cardin-if-you-paid-your-taxes-you-should-want-to-have-87000-more-irs-agents/
No, that doesn't follow. That simply drives up my costs, which ultimately leads to an increase in my taxes.
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Will adding all those storm troopers result in even one of the deadbeat big name democrats whether unelected like some phony reverends, celebrities or elected like congresscriter or senator being penalized or incarcerated....let alone forced to pony up all their back taxes? I think we all know the answer, they will be used to go after the little guy and be just as weaponized to attack conservatives as they have been since the days of those POS's the Clintons. Which by the way how about a deep dive into one of the most corrupt charities ever, the Clinton Foundation.
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And there it is. Stop handing out free shit to illegals, and you will stop seeing 5,000 illegals a day crossing the border.
:bingo: Also, the billions that we have sent to Ukraine should have been used to build an incredible, fantastic border wall.
Here we sit!!!!
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Thanks for the post -- I feel so much better. /s (Not finding fault, just a bit of sarcasm)
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That is worrying enough. But now that the White House promises that with all these new agents the number of audits for people making less than $400k won't increase, my worrying has increased exponentially.
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And if that graphic isn't disturbing enough, now try to imagine how many of those 87,000 the democrats are going to physically weaponize with actual...weapons.
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Given the difficulty the private sector has had finding workers in the past year, maybe the IRS won't get 87,000 job applicants. :pondering:
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Given the difficulty the private sector has had finding workers in the past year, maybe the IRS won't get 87,000 job applicants. :pondering:
The only way they'll get that many is if they get rid of drug testing of applicants.
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The only way they'll get that many is if they get rid of drug testing of applicants.
Yeah, that and any semblance of a literacy requirement.
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This OP is a fallacy. NOBODY WANTS 87000 more IRS agents.
*NOBODY*
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This OP is a fallacy. NOBODY WANTS 87000 more IRS agents.
*NOBODY*
Well, the utterer of that was a GD lying Democrat, so what do we expect?
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Well, the utterer of that was a GD lying Democrat, so what do we expect?
That was redundant and repetitive!
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That was redundant and repetitive!
I work at the Department of Redundancy Department. :cool:
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I work at the Department of Redundancy Department. :cool:
I took it as emphasis. :shrug:
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Well, the utterer of that was a GD lying Democrat, so what do we expect?
DCP = lying hypocrite.
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Was that plagiarized from Prince/King John (taxes)or the Biden crime syndicate? Of course all over spending is Trumps fault, little or none of the democrats are to blame for costs and taxes ,the democrats are now ready to ram massive taxes down your throats. Fair/justice, keep your barf bag close and ready! Learn to do without energy except acceptable to the global ultra rich the democrats show they dearly love. Democrats dementia WWIII new world order, you have no one to blame, bend over. You have no recourse.
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Why? Are you saying they are going to come to my house and cut my grass?