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Title: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: bigheadfred on October 29, 2019, 10:15:54 pm
Who needs heaven when you can evolve into a laser beam..?

Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waZpn7kATc0#)
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: bigheadfred on October 29, 2019, 10:17:30 pm
If you were able to become a digitized immortal would you be willing, able, or unable to kill yourself or any other sentient "being"?

Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: bigheadfred on October 29, 2019, 10:21:26 pm
GOOGLE AI

http://ai.googleblog.com/2019/10/quantum-supremacy-using-programmable.html (http://ai.googleblog.com/2019/10/quantum-supremacy-using-programmable.html)

Quantum Supremacy Using a Programmable Superconducting Processor

Wednesday, October 23, 2019

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Posted by John Martinis, Chief Scientist Quantum Hardware and Sergio Boixo, Chief Scientist Quantum Computing Theory, Google AI Quantum Physicists have been talking about the power of quantum computing for over 30 years, but the questions have always been: will it ever do something useful and is it worth investing in? For such large-scale endeavors it is good engineering practice to formulate decisive short-term goals that demonstrate whether the designs are going in the right direction. So, we devised an experiment as an important milestone to help answer these questions. This experiment, referred to as a quantum supremacy experiment, provided direction for our team to overcome the many technical challenges inherent in quantum systems engineering to make a computer that is both programmable and powerful. To test the total system performance we selected a sensitive computational benchmark that fails if just a single component of the computer is not good enough. Today we published the results of this quantum supremacy experiment in the Nature article, “Quantum Supremacy Using a Programmable Superconducting Processor”. We developed a new 54-qubit processor, named “Sycamore”, that is comprised of fast, high-fidelity quantum logic gates, in order to perform the benchmark testing. Our machine performed the target computation in 200 seconds, and from measurements in our experiment we determined that it would take the world’s fastest supercomputer 10,000 years to produce a similar output.

Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: bigheadfred on October 29, 2019, 10:22:17 pm
Reinvent the wheel. Wheel there is still "time".
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: bigheadfred on October 29, 2019, 10:28:21 pm
Skip the New Terminator, and Watch This Unnerving Robo-Apocalypse Instead

This is how the robots will take over.
imageBy Courtney Linder   
Oct 28, 2019

    A Los Angeles-based production studio has filmed a terrifying video that features killer robots acting in place of soldiers.
    The YouTube clip has already amassed over two million views in just two days.
    Don't freak out: this video is a parody. We repeat, parody. No need to stock up on canned goods and hide in your basement (yet).

There are some legitimate arguments that robotic technology and the military are, uh, absolutely horrifying. Some students and faculty at Carnegie Mellon University feel uneasy about the new Army AI research base on campus and Google employees protested working on an AI project for the U.S. Pentagon.

Then again, who doesn't love a good killer robot flick?

Terminator: Dark Fate is out in theaters this weekend, but this video might be even scarier due to some unnerving realism. Corridor Digital, an L.A. production studio that specializes in visual effects, has filmed a wet-your-pants level parody video that depicts a future full of robotic soldiers, eliminating the need for human intervention.

 Are We There, Yet? (https://www.popularmechanics.com/our-robotic-future)


Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: bigheadfred on October 29, 2019, 10:28:55 pm
FWIW, I heard this new terminator movie realy sucks.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: bigheadfred on October 29, 2019, 10:32:13 pm
Face recognition and the ethics of AI

September 09, 2019 in Artificial Intelligence

https://www.ben-evans.com/benedictevans/2019/9/6/face-recognition (https://www.ben-evans.com/benedictevans/2019/9/6/face-recognition)

    We worry about face recognition just as we worried about databases - we worry what happens if they contain bad data and we worry what bad people might do with them

    It’s easy to point at China, but there are large grey areas where we don't yet have a clear consensus of what ‘bad’ would actually mean, and how far we worry because this is different rather than just because it’s just new and unfamiliar

    Like much of machine learning, face recognition is quickly becoming a commodity tech that many people can and will use to build all sorts of things. ‘AI Ethics’ boards can go a certain way but can’t be a complete solution, and regulation (which will take many forms) will go further.  But Chinese companies have their own ethics boards and are already exporting their products.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: bigheadfred on October 29, 2019, 10:34:27 pm
Want $125k? Just Donate Your Face to Some Humanoid Robots

https://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/robots/a29514131/humanoid-robot-face/ (https://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/robots/a29514131/humanoid-robot-face/)

    Additive manufacturing company Geomiq is asking for volunteers to send in photos of their face to be considered for a new line of humanoid robots.
    If selected, the person signing over the rights to their likeness will receive over $125,000 in compensation.
    The client is mysterious, but Geomiq says the company is working on robots for elderly care, and those prototypes will be produced next year.

Need a pile of cash, fast? Have a face? Then step right up to waive the copyrights to it. In exchange, you'll receive about $125,000. And best of all, one day you'll see your mug on an army of humanoid robots.

Geomiq, an additive manufacturing and machining startup based in London, is looking for a person to fork over their face for a new line of human-looking robots. Full stop.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: bigheadfred on October 29, 2019, 10:41:50 pm
Wave after wave of military expenditures for dinosaur tech.

Article after article.

Why not? Anyone career military is brainwashed into dinosaur thinking. Anyone who thinks "boots on the ground" is the answer...

uh huh

War amongst human beings is as psychotic as you can get.

War Pigs (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjvp-XixMLlAhUvJzQIHbhgDtYQ3ywwAHoECAsQBA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DLQUXuQ6Zd9w&usg=AOvVaw1KstFukveNntOUG-6RWYYh)

There are two different wars.

Figure it out.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: bigheadfred on October 30, 2019, 11:16:19 pm
Now.

Here is a question for you.

You get the tech. You are trans humanised. You are bionic.

Better, stonger, faster.

And then THEY send you an "update".

Don't ask me, ask the admins. @Cyber Liberty  @mystery-ak @Sanguine.

Updates are dangerous wild animals.

The question I asked above.

If your update fails or causes some kind of crash...will you still be "sentient"?

Think about it.

Or shoot first and don't even question it.

Because I am asking the question now.






Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: bigheadfred on October 30, 2019, 11:30:21 pm
Explainer: Is the US losing the artificial intelligence arms race?

By: James Johnson, Middlebury Institute of International Studies

 The Dogs Of War  (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiYw738kMXlAhXZGDQIHcZBAoIQxfQBMAB6BAgDEAM&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.militarytimes.com%2Fnews%2Fyour-navy%2F2019%2F10%2F29%2Fexplainer-is-the-us-losing-the-artificial-intelligence-arms-race%2F&usg=AOvVaw1_0uhNiNm79wkiuoFgPndC)

The U.S. government, long a proponent of advancing technology for military purposes, sees artificial intelligence as key to the next generation of fighting tools.

Several recent investments and Pentagon initiatives show that military leaders are concerned about keeping up with – and ahead of – China and Russia, two countries that have made big gains in developing artificial-intelligence systems. AI-powered weapons include target recognition systems, weapons guided by AI, and cyberattack and cyberdefense software that runs without human intervention.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: Cyber Liberty on October 30, 2019, 11:30:57 pm
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Now.

Here is a question for you.

You get the tech. You are trans humanised. You are bionic.

Better, stonger, faster.

And then THEY send you an "update".

Don't ask me, ask the admins. @Cyber Liberty  @mystery-ak @Sanguine.

Updates are dangerous wild animals.

That would be a huge concern, @bigheadfred.  I don't think I would cotton to the notion that my OS could be updated without my knowledge or permission, like Microsoft does with Windows, and for that very reason.  I don't want to be "killed" and have some coder in Redmond saying "Ooops!  Oh, well."

Or have my personality altered.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: bigheadfred on October 30, 2019, 11:46:08 pm
That would be a huge concern, @bigheadfred.  I don't think I would cotton to the notion that my OS could be updated without my knowledge or permission, like Microsoft does with Windows, and for that very reason.  I don't want to be "killed" and have some coder in Redmond saying "Ooops!  Oh, well."

Or have my personality altered.

After all the articles that social media is harmful, what could possibly go wrong here?

I am planning on posting some information on the use of psychedelics for their therapeutic value, and not as an argument for their legalization, vs. manmade psycho...add various adjectives. virtual reality, etc.

As a hint, the U.S. Go and well-educated individuals were doing a ton of research into the subject until the 60's counter-culture hit and then there was a complete stop. No research. At least on the public front. Plants, chemicals, and their properties deemed Schedule 1 by the fed/gov.

You can't have the people given the ability to choose their reality. Not now.

I happen to think there is going to be a schism between people who tech and people who go back to nature. People from every statum of society.

@OfTheCross
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: bigheadfred on October 30, 2019, 11:50:42 pm
Schism (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjo4rTklcXlAhW3GTQIHSI1BhMQ3ywwAHoECAoQBA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DMM62wjLrgmA&usg=AOvVaw3uRVFkW1IIMTjtkWRZwe_B)

"I know the pieces fit 'cause I watched them fall away
Mildewed and smoldering, fundamental differing
Pure intention juxtaposed will set two lover's souls in motion
Disintegrating as it goes testing our communication…
"
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: Sanguine on October 31, 2019, 03:56:04 pm
After all the articles that social media is harmful, what could possibly go wrong here?

I am planning on posting some information on the use of psychedelics for their therapeutic value, and not as an argument for their legalization, vs. manmade psycho...add various adjectives. virtual reality, etc.

As a hint, the U.S. Go and well-educated individuals were doing a ton of research into the subject until the 60's counter-culture hit and then there was a complete stop. No research. At least on the public front. Plants, chemicals, and their properties deemed Schedule 1 by the fed/gov.

You can't have the people given the ability to choose their reality. Not now.

I happen to think there is going to be a schism between people who tech and people who go back to nature. People from every statum of society.

@OfTheCross

I think we already see that.  @roamer_1

Fred, see what you think of this one:  https://www.bbc.com/news/stories-50211901 (https://www.bbc.com/news/stories-50211901)

Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: roamer_1 on October 31, 2019, 04:04:00 pm
I think we already see that.  @roamer_1

Huh @Sanguine ??

I am a computer tech. I probably know more about tech than 90% of y'all...
That I also am a hillbilly, and prefer to return to a country life means I am also a Luddite according to many. In fact, many tumpsters suggest that I am ignorant because of my location on the planet, and my lifestyle... That I am somehow disconnected...

So I am on both sides of this particular issue. In what way am I exampled?

Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: Sanguine on October 31, 2019, 04:12:45 pm
Huh @Sanguine ??

I am a computer tech. I probably know more about tech than 90% of y'all...
That I also am a hillbilly, and prefer to return to a country life means I am also a Luddite according to many. In fact, many tumpsters suggest that I am ignorant because of my location on the planet, and my lifestyle... That I am somehow disconnected...

So I am on both sides of this particular issue. In what way am I exampled?

I just thought you were a good example of both.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: bigheadfred on October 31, 2019, 10:56:56 pm
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So I am on both sides of this particular issue. In what way am I exampled?

You've described your own paradox. Unless you can't see it. @roamer_1

I'll look at the link later, @Sanguine I am too tired right now. Straight ten hours on a jobsite with no breaks and no lunch.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: Gefn on October 31, 2019, 10:58:20 pm
I couldn’t kill either.

And I would like a pair of ducks
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: bigheadfred on October 31, 2019, 11:10:10 pm
I couldn’t kill either.

And I would like a pair of ducks

Real ones?

Cause if it walks like a duck...
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: roamer_1 on October 31, 2019, 11:59:20 pm
You've described your own paradox. Unless you can't see it. @roamer_1


But it isn't a paradox @bigheadfred ... I would prefer to go the Luddite route, but realize how big gov can use tech to fence me in... So I keep my fingers in it, skittering across the belly of the beast, so that I know how to subvert it. I figure to need that sort of thing before too long.

See? Makes sense to me.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: bigheadfred on November 02, 2019, 09:50:50 am
But it isn't a paradox @bigheadfred ... I would prefer to go the Luddite route, but realize how big gov can use tech to fence me in... So I keep my fingers in it, skittering across the belly of the beast, so that I know how to subvert it. I figure to need that sort of thing before too long.

See? Makes sense to me.

Right.

I get the rationale.

I am saying you are serving two masters.

PM  if you want the details (why I think that)
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: roamer_1 on November 06, 2019, 02:37:08 am
Right.

I get the rationale.

I am saying you are serving two masters.

PM  if you want the details (why I think that)

Well @bigheadfred ... I PM'd you a while back and never heard back from you... What gives?
 :shrug:
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on November 06, 2019, 03:24:57 am
Freddy really hates roombas huh?
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: bigheadfred on November 09, 2019, 02:23:56 am
@Gefn

5G isn't staring back at a 45 caliber barrel. It is a 45 blowing your head off.

I m definitely serious about this. The frequency range and the permeation.

"Climate change" will be the most "real" change. And I am Talking about the whether. Not the the weather.

Two different threads. One recent that there is a place that wifi is prohibited. I think that was posted by @Applewood. The irradtion from human polluted Electomagntetic radiation made those intruments useless.

There was another thread posted that the Chinese shield pregnant women from wifi. The Chinese? Protecting women from high (frequency) short microwave exposure? 5g is a weapon.

I posted the relevant info on robot 1.

Interestinly enough.

Most of the "new" AI  info isn't the same when I started robot 1.

This tells me four things>

1. They don't understand it

2. They can't contriol it.

3 They don't care.

4. You will buy it.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: bigheadfred on November 09, 2019, 02:28:28 am
And...

Epstein didn't kill himself.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: Gefn on November 09, 2019, 11:53:05 am
@Gefn

5G isn't staring back at a 45 caliber barrel. It is a 45 blowing your head off.

I m definitely serious about this. The frequency range and the permeation.

"Climate change" will be the most "real" change. And I am Talking about the whether. Not the the weather.

Two different threads. One recent that there is a place that wifi is prohibited. I think that was posted by @Applewood. The irradtion from human polluted Electomagntetic radiation made those intruments useless.

There was another thread posted that the Chinese shield pregnant women from wifi. The Chinese? Protecting women from high (frequency) short microwave exposure? 5g is a weapon.

I posted the relevant info on robot 1.

Interestinly enough.

Most of the "new" AI  info isn't the same when I started robot 1.

This tells me four things>

1. They don't understand it

2. They can't contriol it.

3 They don't care.

4. You will buy it.

@bigheadfred I’ve read enough on 5G to know my next phone will be 4G. I don’t want to upgrade that high. Thanks buddy.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: Cyber Liberty on December 01, 2019, 05:25:21 pm
I saw this in the paper this morning, and thought of this thread (click to embiggen):

(https://assets.amuniversal.com/6fe0f370d2a00137c723005056a9545d)

@bigheadfred
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: Gefn on December 01, 2019, 05:30:50 pm
Janet from the”Good Place” got smarter each time she “died” or got rebooted.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: bigheadfred on December 07, 2019, 12:07:49 am
Hat tip to @DeerSlayer

A>B>C>D is not science, it is unintelligent

http://theevolutionfraud.wordpress.com/ (http://theevolutionfraud.wordpress.com/)

Swear to GOD/ I am going to update this thread more regularly.

This link is a good start.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: bigheadfred on December 07, 2019, 12:20:24 am
Link to "Robot 1".

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,350928.msg1912978.html#msg1912978 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,350928.msg1912978.html#msg1912978)

Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: bigheadfred on December 07, 2019, 04:19:46 pm
Facebook's Head of AI Says the Field Will Soon ‘Hit the Wall’

The Wall (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwih_JOY-KPmAhWE9Z4KHXvhAMcQFjABegQICxAF&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.wired.com%2Fstory%2Ffacebooks-ai-says-field-hit-wall%2F&usg=AOvVaw0WNgZTMje0AMMgXatkAxcm)

/snip

JP: Deep learning and current AI, if you are really honest, has a lot of limitations. We are very very far from human intelligence, and there are some criticisms that are valid: It can propagate human biases, it’s not easy to explain, it doesn't have common sense, it’s more on the level of pattern matching than robust semantic understanding.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: Cyber Liberty on December 07, 2019, 04:28:17 pm
Facebook's Head of AI Says the Field Will Soon ‘Hit the Wall’

The Wall (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwih_JOY-KPmAhWE9Z4KHXvhAMcQFjABegQICxAF&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.wired.com%2Fstory%2Ffacebooks-ai-says-field-hit-wall%2F&usg=AOvVaw0WNgZTMje0AMMgXatkAxcm)

/snip

JP: Deep learning and current AI, if you are really honest, has a lot of limitations. We are very very far from human intelligence, and there are some criticisms that are valid: It can propagate human biases, it’s not easy to explain, it doesn't have common sense, it’s more on the level of pattern matching than robust semantic understanding.

Doesn't bode well for the "Sentience" part of the discussion.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: bigheadfred on December 07, 2019, 04:30:06 pm
Facebook's Head of AI Says the Field Will Soon ‘Hit the Wall’

The Wall (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwih_JOY-KPmAhWE9Z4KHXvhAMcQFjABegQICxAF&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.wired.com%2Fstory%2Ffacebooks-ai-says-field-hit-wall%2F&usg=AOvVaw0WNgZTMje0AMMgXatkAxcm)

/snip

JP: Deep learning and current AI, if you are really honest, has a lot of limitations. We are very very far from human intelligence,

and there are some criticisms that are valid: It can propagate human biases, it’s not easy to explain, it doesn't have common sense, it’s more on the level of pattern matching than robust semantic understanding.

My key point here is the fact that it may be impossible to somehow imbue "common sense" into an
AI. Mostly because "common sense" is a vanishing point.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: Cyber Liberty on December 07, 2019, 04:53:11 pm
My key point here is the fact that it may be impossible to somehow imbue "common sense" into an
AI. Mostly because "common sense" is a vanishing point.

Heck, there are a lot of flesh and blood humans running around without common sense.  "Common sense" isn't common.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: Gefn on December 07, 2019, 07:04:11 pm

Robots Are Very Bad News for Millennial Workers


The rise of populist politicians across the rich world has led to a profound rethinking of the way developed economies work. In particular, the impact of automation on the labor market, and the disappearance of routine manufacturing jobs, has been blamed for the electoral successes of leaders such as U.S. President Donald Trump and Italy’s Matteo Salvini.

Yet there are profound differences in what determines the economic winners and losers on the two sides of the Atlantic. In the U.S., the main factor deciding whether a worker can prosper in the age of robots appears to be education. Conversely, in the European Union, it seems to be whether staff have strong protection in their employment contracts — as many older industrial workers do here.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-12-07/why-the-automation-of-jobs-is-much-worse-for-millennial-workers?srnd=premium (https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-12-07/why-the-automation-of-jobs-is-much-worse-for-millennial-workers?srnd=premium)
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: bigheadfred on October 06, 2020, 02:46:08 am
Time. To fire it up.  I do the doo with the doodoo.

@Quix @dancer  @AllThatJazzZ

Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3caauq7Dyw&t=218s#)
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: bigheadfred on October 06, 2020, 02:55:01 am
The point here is that every person I know is tense, fearful, combative, virulent.

And they really can't tell you why.

I can.

Robot I. They are programming people nonstop. That incessant force to disabound your humanity grinds  deep in the oyster.  Me. The oyster. I'll take your shit and make that true grit and form a pearl around it.

That is the mindset I have. 
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: bigheadfred on October 06, 2020, 02:57:07 am
Pay attention. This video is from 1992.

Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oOPgUZkwM4#)
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: bigheadfred on October 06, 2020, 02:58:33 am
Repost.

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,414408.msg2286611.html#msg2286611 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,414408.msg2286611.html#msg2286611)
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: bigheadfred on October 06, 2020, 03:09:32 am
Fixing the brain isn’t just an engineering problem
By Nicole Wetsman Sep 29, 2020, 10:00am EDT

Neuralink (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwj5-cPt_Z7sAhWpIjQIHbjYDhkQFjASegQIGBAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theverge.com%2F2020%2F9%2F29%2F21493224%2Felon-musk-neuralink-neuroscience-brain-machine&usg=AOvVaw2cMQHgTCMmt_ajPP1lL2n5)

Elon Musk’s Neuralink: what’s science and what’s not


Elon Musk wants everyone to get brain surgery. Specifically, he wants everyone to get a brain implant — the brain-machine interface created by his company, Neuralink. He says it will be able to solve any number of medical conditions — including paralysis, anxiety, and addiction.

Machines that connect to the human brain and translate the electrical signals to a computer have been around since 2006. Since then, neuroscientists and engineers have made incremental improvements to that technology. Musk’s Neuralink slots into that work: the company developed a system of thin wires that snake into the brain, which may cause less damage than the usual rigid spikes. But Musk’s ambitions also go far beyond altering the architecture of machine-brain devices. Apart from treating brain-based medical conditions, he also said during a recent press event that, eventually, Neuralink’s device could enable things like telepathy or interactions between the brain and artificial intelligence.

More at link
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: Quix on October 06, 2020, 03:20:31 am
Time. To fire it up.  I do the doo with the doodoo.

@Quix @dancer  @AllThatJazzZ

Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3caauq7Dyw&t=218s#)

THANKS THANKS SOBERING.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: Cyber Liberty on October 06, 2020, 03:28:47 am
Time. To fire it up.  I do the doo with the doodoo.

@Quix @dancer  @AllThatJazzZ

See, Fred?  We kept it exactly how you left it!
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: Smokin Joe on October 06, 2020, 07:49:27 am
Pay attention. This video is from 1992.

Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oOPgUZkwM4#)
Sorry, catching up here.

The biggest reason the Soviet planning didn't work?

In two words, Human Nature.

Even as individuals we display random seeming (to an outside observer, ad sometimes to ourselves) behaviour, desires, urges to do, learn, create, various things which are outside our ordinary day to day pattern of behaviour.

It might be something as simple as seeing what's behind that rock over there, taking a different route just for the heck of it, or diving into a new subject that strikes our fancy. While sweeping generalizations can be made in retrospect, simply put, humans are not completely predictable and the Devil is in the details. Who would have known some guy importing beach pebbles from Mexico by the dump truck load and sticking them in little cages with an inexpensive but cute pamphlet would become a millionaire selling "Pet Rocks"? Or there would be fights in supermarkets over "Tickle Me Elmo"?

While much of that is marketing, something which appeals often not to the rational nature of people, but which is designed to make people want things they often do not need, our wants ultimately drive us to do extraordinary things, above and beyond the relatively mundane basics.  Not only that, but those 'basics' are different, depending on where and how you live, that commonly the ultimate reflection of your personal wants and needs.

Three of the six vehicles in the 'fleet' are 4wd capable, one an all wheel drive, the others 2WD, but all have tires far more aggressive than those which might be seen as practical in a more temperate and urban climate, all of necessity. (Not every day necessity, but for those times when you absolutely have to get somewhere and nothing less will do.)  Where I grew up, those would be seen as 'overkill', but here, they are rather tame examples compared to the common pickups with lift kits, oversized tires and wheels, and other modifications: mine are pretty much factory stock.

No central planning department in a nation as broad and varied as this one will succeed, because it is not in human nature to have identical wants or needs, outside of that for fundamental survival: food, clothing, water, shelter, breathable air, at a temperature we can survive or with the means to alter that to a level which supports human life (up or down).

The successful use of an AI to interface with humans would have to be capable of dealing not just with the rational things humans do, but the irrational, the impulsive, the tweaks that occur in a daily routine from curiosity, spotting or noticing something new, and the rational improbabilities of being delayed by stopping to help someone, having an urge to see an old friend, or any of the myriad other things that slow a human down, right down to slowing down or stopping to admire a particularly beautiful sight. Human motivation may sometimes be predictable, but not always, and there is the bugaboo.

The other issue, and one that will ever remain with any attempt to quantify human behaviour is that not all answers will be honest or complete, adding yet another level of complexity to the equations.

With data which are based on generalizations or questionable honesty, garbage in, garbage out. Every AI would have to develop its own personality. Which means that with even the most careful handling, some of them just won't be wired right...the fodder for horror movies, or plot twists from the HAL 9000 on.

As to the original question, at the start of this all, well, it would depend on the human or the machine. I'd be biased in favor of keeping the human, generally, because of a species bias, not to mention the Commandment against murder, but that begs the question of whether a truly sentient machine would have a soul.

And that circles back to our learned responses to the idea of pain or mortality, are we thinking any more than a machine programmed to react the same way? Or do our proclaimed instincts go even deeper?

Good stuff Fred, thanks.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: Smokin Joe on October 06, 2020, 08:27:48 am
Time. To fire it up.  I do the doo with the doodoo.

@Quix @dancer  @AllThatJazzZ

Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3caauq7Dyw&t=218s#)
Yep. I have been aware of the AGENDA 21 bit since Clinton was in office.

People look at you strange and don't even bother to go to the UN site and read all the buzzwords, like "sustainable", the new meaningless term for describing most anything, like 'organic sustainably grown cage free eggs from vegan free range chickens' or some other word salad nonsense designed to impress the gullible into paying more for essentially the same product. It's a friggin' cackleberry. If it isn't straight from the farm still warm from the hen's ass it's likely weeks old, anyway.

Anyway, that's why towns in North Dakota have traffic circles instead of 4-way stops and traffic lights at road junctions, even though the traffic circles guarantee snowdrifts in the road, and are difficult to plow. (I can't begin to count the number of wrecks that have occurred at those things, especially where large semi trucks have to go through them).
One of the main highways through here was designated a NAFTA Highway under Bush, and that fits in with his Daddy's New World Order... It's all related and part of the same plan.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: bigheadfred on October 07, 2020, 12:18:31 am
Thanks for the invite to your person. @dancer

I am a grandfaughter to four. Cabinetmaker.

I t all of my shit on front street. Dox me? I dox myself.

I am a convicted killer.

I read many things. I watch many videos. I have been watching the shitshow all my ife. All my life.

I do my  own research. Whether I share it or not in publc is different.

I intentionally live in BF Idaho in a trailer house. You want that? You want what I "don't" have? Come take it. I'll help you load it.

But if you try to take what I do have. You will die
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on October 07, 2020, 05:33:18 pm
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Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: bigheadfred on October 08, 2020, 01:30:23 am
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Laugh now.

Cry later.

David Paulides.

If you were a father that cared you would do some research.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: bigheadfred on October 08, 2020, 01:46:40 am


I watched a TED talk on the problem with AGI. They set up a little video game to have the player figure out a simple obstacle course.

A stick figure player traversing a simple obstacle course.  Jump crawl whatever from different sized and spaced blocks.

A human playing tries to figure out each block scenario. The AGI comes to the first obstacle. Creates for itself one giant leg and steps over the entire course. In one shot.

This is the problem with AGI. No real world applicabiity.

What do YOU think an ASI will do?

@Smokin Joe
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: roamer_1 on October 08, 2020, 03:59:22 am
David Paulides.

Ran into him a while back... He lives up this way nowadays. I don't buy his whole thing, but I buy some of it. Folks do weird things when thy get lost in the woods. Crazy stuff. so it seldom makes sense, at least to me. But sometimes the conditins go past crazy, and those times he talks about, I listen.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on October 09, 2020, 12:33:10 am
Hey Fred/Roamer, what do you guys think of this?


Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkcKdfL7G3A#)
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: roamer_1 on October 09, 2020, 01:40:15 am
Hey Fred/Roamer, what do you guys think of this?


@Weird Tolkienish Figure

The tech side of me is impressed. The fluid motion is a gas, the balance and load-sensing is much improved. The hard part to me is going to be translating 3 dimensions from vid, which is why it has a 'stair mode' I bet. Right now it looks like it is all load sensing and balance with some sense of obstacle avoidance. But to get true autonomous navigation in an unpredictable environment looks to be a ways off.

The spirit side of me doesn't like it. Other-worldly. unnatural/creepy. Tech always has a downside that will be exercised and can't be exorcised (that was just for you Fred). You likely see a different future there than I do... I see that with 360 degree awareness, running through the woods like  wolf, with an automatic fifty on it's back.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on October 09, 2020, 05:15:13 pm
@Weird Tolkienish Figure

The tech side of me is impressed. The fluid motion is a gas, the balance and load-sensing is much improved. The hard part to me is going to be translating 3 dimensions from vid, which is why it has a 'stair mode' I bet. Right now it looks like it is all load sensing and balance with some sense of obstacle avoidance. But to get true autonomous navigation in an unpredictable environment looks to be a ways off.

The spirit side of me doesn't like it. Other-worldly. unnatural/creepy. Tech always has a downside that will be exercised and can't be exorcised (that was just for you Fred). You likely see a different future there than I do... I see that with 360 degree awareness, running through the woods like  wolf, with an automatic fifty on it's back.

My wife thought it was creepy as do a lot of people (google "uncanny valley"). I think it's neat but this will absolutely be used as a weapon, even a terrorist weapon at some point. I guess Boston Dynamics has you sign a waiver promising not to use this thing to do harm (seems pointless though).

But I feel it's probably the most advanced robot in the world now... when it stands in a prone position, it looks like a real animal, balancing and constantly making calculations on how to stay upright... like a real dog would or like a human does subconsciously.

It's interesting to say the least.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: bigheadfred on October 10, 2020, 03:33:31 am
My wife thought it was creepy as do a lot of people (google "uncanny valley"). I think it's neat but this will absolutely be used as a weapon, even a terrorist weapon at some point. I guess Boston Dynamics has you sign a waiver promising not to use this thing to do harm (seems pointless though).

But I feel it's probably the most advanced robot in the world now... when it stands in a prone position, it looks like a real animal, balancing and constantly making calculations on how to stay upright... like a real dog would or like a human does subconsciously.

It's interesting to say the least.

The tech is great. What I want to see is the human world advantage.

The creepiness is I don't like roombas. It is the falsity of it that hits you at a deep visceral level.

And I ask myself why the distrust? Because it it is someone trying to create a mimicry of this life and force me to it.

Graham Hancock makes an interesting point. "We are a species with Amnesia".

People aren't afraid of the dark. They are afraid of what is hidden in it.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: bigheadfred on October 10, 2020, 03:49:11 am
@Weird Tolkienish Figure

The tech side of me is impressed. The fluid motion is a gas, the balance and load-sensing is much improved. The hard part to me is going to be translating 3 dimensions from vid, which is why it has a 'stair mode' I bet. Right now it looks like it is all load sensing and balance with some sense of obstacle avoidance. But to get true autonomous navigation in an unpredictable environment looks to be a ways off.

The spirit side of me doesn't like it. Other-worldly. unnatural/creepy. Tech always has a downside that will be exercised and can't be exorcised (that was just for you Fred). You likely see a different future there than I do... I see that with 360 degree awareness, running through the woods like  wolf, with an automatic fifty on it's back.

Here is the thing. We already have it. It is already here/there. We should try to convince wolves to be our friend. Instead of replacing them.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: roamer_1 on October 10, 2020, 08:34:48 am
My wife thought it was creepy as do a lot of people (google "uncanny valley"). I think it's neat but this will absolutely be used as a weapon, even a terrorist weapon at some point. I guess Boston Dynamics has you sign a waiver promising not to use this thing to do harm (seems pointless though).

But I feel it's probably the most advanced robot in the world now... when it stands in a prone position, it looks like a real animal, balancing and constantly making calculations on how to stay upright... like a real dog would or like a human does subconsciously.

It's interesting to say the least.

@Weird Tolkienish Figure

I find it interesting too - In it's current capacity, or even with some sort of rudimentary AI toward navigation autonomy and decision-making... In that much capacity, it is still a machine,  and a wonderment... A fun and potentially useful piece of tech...

But as we both know, it won't stay at that level. 'They' won't let it.

And I will mess with it up to a point.. like I do with AI, trying to get near the bleeding edge. There is a place for that which is useful, even if it's mostly stupid pet tricks. Google as an instance. I use the heck out of Google. 

I will say that if Giggles (Assistant) is an example of AI, there is a very, very long way to go. But I use it. Giggles keeps track of all my appointments, reminds me to do things sometimes - just enough times to make it seem short of reliable... I have set up routines... When I wake, and when I go out, and I am even exploring smart home stuff as it is safe to do...I don't care if some super computer somewhere has control of my porch light (actually a different porch light), So as part of my 'I'm Home' routine, if it happens to be dark, Giggles will turn on that porch light. Kewl.

I am even writing my own, for kicks... As part of my wake up routine, Giggles sends a magic packet to my main server waking it up, and telling it (though an internal routine) to wake up the whole network... All of my sleeping system comes to life 3 1/2 minutes after I say 'Good morning Giggles' - Which also reads my agenda to me, tells me about my day, tells me the weather, and then plays the latest Fox News report. Fun. Useful. No, not really. All just stupid pet tricks. I could literally do all that myself in almost the same amount of time.

Cortana is another thing.  Ever try leaving the mike on in your PC? Howabout in 7 machines? Say 'cortana' and they all respond! What a headache that is. And all the things you would want it to actually DO, it can't do. "Hey cortana... copy this folder (file explorer window in focus) to the thumb drive in 'Plato' (a computer name)" Nope. Won't happen.

AI loses all it's usefulness on a local LAN, which is exactly the opposite of what you would think. you would think it the most powerful in a localized network. No, what makes it useful is when it is on the fly.

I see Robotics in much the same way... Right now, there's things I would like to do to turn my truck into a robot. It already knows it is HOME, and will back up to the house network before shutting down... I WANT a backup cam... I want proximity sensors, and load sensors would be awesome on the bed. Nav is awesome, and a real interaction with Giggles would be great. All super fun and barely useful.

At this stage, in exploration, it's a lot of fun to dick with. And I HAVE to, to be able to understand it when it gets serious enough to be dangerous. But even as it all is now, look at the danger. You are literally tracked, everywhere you go. and that little bit of use is paid for in grievous destruction of privacy - Even as it is now.

And therein lies the problem. In the big picture, it always seems to be the surrender of liberty and privacy - and way more than it is worth.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: roamer_1 on October 10, 2020, 08:42:09 am
Here is the thing. We already have it. It is already here/there. We should try to convince wolves to be our friend. Instead of replacing them.

That's really right. A dog is way more reliable, has a far better autonomy, far better 360 degree awareness, and eats the same things you do. And he loves you. And will die fighting for you.

Same goes with a mule. and it automatically recharges in 6 hrs or so and runs on grass. How do you beat that?
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: Gefn on October 10, 2020, 10:53:40 am
@roamer_1 dogs might eat everything I do except chocolate

Never give a doggy chocolate.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: roamer_1 on October 10, 2020, 11:43:56 am
@roamer_1 dogs might eat everything I do except chocolate

Never give a doggy chocolate.

Well yes, of course, @Gefn ... But if I eat fish, he'll eat fish, and if I eat rabbit, he'll eat rabbit. That can even be complimentary, because for instance, if I get a deer, he will happily fill his belly on the gut pile without even messing with the parts I might want. 

Compare that to that electronic dog, that needs to eat electricity. That means solar panels at the very least or a generator, or a whole bunch of batteries to plug into him. Whole different scenario there if you're off in the woods, which is what I was getting at.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on October 10, 2020, 12:15:39 pm
Compare that to that electronic dog, that needs to eat electricity. That means solar panels at the very least or a generator, or a whole bunch of batteries to plug into him. Whole different scenario there if you're off in the woods, which is what I was getting at.

Solar would be feasible but time consuming. The way to run these things in scenarios like this is like you said, with a ton of batteries. According to the internet, one battery gives this thing 90 minutes life.

Biggest thing holding back robots at this time is our primitive battery tech.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on October 10, 2020, 12:25:10 pm
Here is the thing. We already have it. It is already here/there. We should try to convince wolves to be our friend. Instead of replacing them.

That's a good question, Boston Dynamics has spent millions... maybe billions, not sure... creating something we already have a lot of of. I mean, I know you don't like roombas, but i've never seen a dog vacuum a floor. Only scenario i can see for this thing is operating in environments dogs would find hazardous or dangerous.

I was thinking this could be good for older people who don't like stairs (for example, carrying laundry or groceries up/down stairs), but then that got me thinking why you couldn't train dogs to carry stuff up and down stairs, they'd probably enjoy the exercise. Back in the 90's they sold dog packs, but my guess is they weren't good for the dogs because i don't see them around any more.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on October 10, 2020, 12:37:08 pm
BHF, are you conflicted being so anti-digital/robot and yet using a computer to communicate so much?
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: roamer_1 on October 10, 2020, 02:35:34 pm
I was thinking this could be good for older people who don't like stairs (for example, carrying laundry or groceries up/down stairs), but then that got me thinking why you couldn't train dogs to carry stuff up and down stairs, they'd probably enjoy the exercise. Back in the 90's they sold dog packs, but my guess is they weren't good for the dogs because i don't see them around any more.

I don't have one for Chewy, And Mose never got out in the woods much (that's while I was in business or screaming sick), but ALL of my malamutes were trained to pack and to sled. Dog packs are still very much a thing, and it is customary for the dog to carry his own gear and food.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: roamer_1 on October 10, 2020, 02:43:51 pm
Solar would be feasible but time consuming. The way to run these things in scenarios like this is like you said, with a ton of batteries. According to the internet, one battery gives this thing 90 minutes life.

Biggest thing holding back robots at this time is our primitive battery tech.

Solar is actually getting really good. Feasible even. $10-15k will put in a system capable of all the modern conveniences, to include air conditioning (using mini-splits). Some of that is better efficiencies in appliances, but the li-iron batteries, better solar cells and more efficient inversion and controller tech is fine tuning things to an amazing degree. On a micro level, I have two fold-out solar panels made for camping that put out close to 300 watts. enough to recharge just about everything, and still run a portable fridge. The same with power blocks. they are spendy (about a buck a watt), but a 1000watt power brick makes a terrific buffer.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: Smokin Joe on October 11, 2020, 08:40:20 am
That's a good question, Boston Dynamics has spent millions... maybe billions, not sure... creating something we already have a lot of of. I mean, I know you don't like roombas, but i've never seen a dog vacuum a floor. Only scenario i can see for this thing is operating in environments dogs would find hazardous or dangerous.

I was thinking this could be good for older people who don't like stairs (for example, carrying laundry or groceries up/down stairs), but then that got me thinking why you couldn't train dogs to carry stuff up and down stairs, they'd probably enjoy the exercise. Back in the 90's they sold dog packs, but my guess is they weren't good for the dogs because i don't see them around any more.
I dunno, dogs used to be light pack animals here before the locals got horses, among other duties.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: bigheadfred on October 13, 2020, 12:16:52 am
Study reveals big regional divides in views on AI risks

A new study of opinions on using AI in decision-making shows views on the risks and benefits vary greatly between regions and nations.

Researchers from the Oxford Commission on AI and Good Governance revealed the findings after analyzing survey data from a sample of 154,195 respondents in 142 countries collected for the 2019 World Risk Poll.

One question asked respondents whether “machines or robots that can think and make decisions, often known as artificial intelligence” will mostly help or harm people in their country in the next 20 years.

Worries that it will be mostly harmful were highest in Latin America and the Caribbean (49% of respondents), North America (47%), and Europe (43%), and lowest in East Asia (11%) and Southeast Asia (25%).

People in China appear particularly enthusiastic about the prospects. Despite numerous reports of Xi Jinping’s government using AI to foster totalitarian rule, only 9% of respondents in the country said the tech will be mostly harmful, while 59% believe it will be mostly beneficial.

https://thenextweb.com/neural/2020/10/12/study-reveals-big-regional-divides-in-views-on-ai-risks/
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: bigheadfred on October 13, 2020, 12:19:17 am
Pretty sure disagreeing with the CCP is still a death sentence. No surprise the Chinese see the benefit.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: roamer_1 on October 13, 2020, 02:53:22 am
Worries that it will be mostly harmful were highest in Latin America and the Caribbean (49% of respondents), North America (47%), and Europe (43%) [...]

So Christendom, in a word...  :pondering:
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: Smokin Joe on October 13, 2020, 06:20:15 am
So Christendom, in a word...  :pondering:
No deus ex machina for us!
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: bigheadfred on October 13, 2020, 09:36:37 am
No deus ex machina for us!
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For sure not for me.  We set up  a security camera system recently.  Had it in a box, brand new for at least four years. It took a smartphone app to activate it. We don't have a smartphone. Had to borrow one. Frustrating.

Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: Gefn on October 13, 2020, 09:38:07 am
No deus ex machina for us!
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For sure not for me.  We set up  a security camera system recently.  Had it in a box, brand new for at least four years. It took a smartphone app to activate it. We don't have a smartphone. Had to borrow one. Frustrating.

@bigheadfred if I lived near you, I would let you borrow my iPhone.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: bigheadfred on October 13, 2020, 09:45:24 am
@bigheadfred if I lived near you, I would let you borrow my iPhone.

Thanks. I should have been able to connect with my Wi-Fi computer. But I have it dedicated now. Separate system. Haven't figured out all of it. Sure made some neighbors nervous.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: Gefn on October 13, 2020, 10:02:31 am
Thanks. I should have been able to connect with my Wi-Fi computer. But I have it dedicated now. Separate system. Haven't figured out all of it. Sure made some neighbors nervous.

My sister put up one of those Ring doorbells in my mom’s house. A lot of her neighbors have them. She’s in a 55 and older community, but they had some high school kids trying to break into cars, and some other kids trying to steal Amazon/Fedex packages. This way she can see all this if it happens to her.

I don’t care for it. I can see any visitor to her house. I have a link to her feed, as does my sister. We see the mailman, the guy who cuts her grass, her friends stop by. We see joggers and people walking their dogs go by and every time a car goes by, that also activates it. At night deer activate it all night long because it’s mating season.

Now my sister wants to put one in her house to check on her Incase she falls and can’t get up. I’m against that. Too much AI. Sis has one at her home so she can watch her puppy when she’s at work.

Too much technology. But I am still waiting for my Jetsons flying car, lol.
@bigheadfred
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: bigheadfred on October 13, 2020, 10:21:37 am
We got this system because of my ex-DILs drug exploits. The people across the street are causing chaos. They have been given an eviction notice. The ex dil got arrested and charged with EIGHT more felonies but is back in the streets. She is a nightmare and has said she would take her kids if she got the chance.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: bigheadfred on October 13, 2020, 10:25:55 am
BHF, are you conflicted being so anti-digital/robot and yet using a computer to communicate so much?

Tech is great as a tool. But not as a control feature over my life.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: bigheadfred on October 13, 2020, 10:39:55 am
The future of AI depends on 9 companies — if they fail, we’re doomed

Long article people

If artificial intelligence will destroy humanity, it probably won’t be through killer robots and the incarnation—it will be through a thousand paper cuts. In the shadow of the immense benefits of advances in technology, the dark effects of AI algorithms are slowly creeping into different aspects of our lives, causing divide, unintentionally marginalizing groups of people, stealing our attention, and widening the gap between the wealthy and the poor.

While we’re already seeing and discussing many of the negative aspects of AI, not enough is being done to address them. And the reason is that we’re looking in the wrong place, as futurist and Amy Webb discusses in her book The Big Nine: How the Tech Titans and Their Thinking Machines Could Warp Humanity.

Many are quick to blame large tech companies for the problems caused by artificial intelligence. They’re not wrong. A few very wealthy organizations wield enormous power on how AI systems are being developed and deployed across thousands of applications and delivered to billions of devices and users. And by extension, they are responsible for many of the problems we are facing, from algorithmic bias and social media filter bubbles to privacy issues and lack of diversity.

These companies, however, are not inherently evil and not alone to blame for the broken state of AI, Webb argues in The Big Nine. The problems run much deeper in the underlying systems that push these companies to work as they do. And if we don’t fix the problems at the root, the consequences can be disastrous.

In The Big Nine, Webb provides a comprehensive layout of the current problems of the AI industry, an outlook of what can happen in the future, and a roadmap for setting the industry on the right path.

Link redirects from an excerpt to the full article.

https://www.onenewspage.com/news.php?nid=119015362-3191 (https://www.onenewspage.com/news.php?nid=119015362-3191)
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: bigheadfred on October 13, 2020, 10:48:29 am
So Christendom, in a word...  :pondering:

Yep.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: bigheadfred on October 14, 2020, 08:49:28 am
What is machine learning data poisoning?

By Ben Dickson -October 7, 2020


This article is part of Demystifying AI, a series of posts that (try to) disambiguate the jargon and myths surrounding AI.

It’s not hard to tell that the image below shows three different things: a bird, a dog, and a horse. But to a machine learning algorithm, all three might the same thing: a small white box with a black contour.

This example portrays one of the dangerous characteristics of machine learning models, which can be exploited to force them into misclassifying data. (In reality, the box could be much smaller; I’ve enlarged it here for visibility.)

machine learning data poisoning
Machine learning algorithms might look for the wrong things in images
This is an example of data poisoning, a special type of adversarial attack, a series of techniques that target the behavior of machine learning and deep learning models.

If applied successfully, data poisoning can provide malicious actors backdoor access to machine learning models and enable them to bypass systems controlled by artificial intelligence algorithms.

more at link (https://bdtechtalks.com/2020/10/07/machine-learning-data-poisoning/)

GIGO


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Post by: Smokin Joe on October 14, 2020, 09:11:18 am
I would suggest training the machine to ask the wrong questions is akin to what is being done to humans at colleges and universities. GIGO, indeed.
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Post by: bigheadfred on October 14, 2020, 12:46:59 pm
I would suggest training the machine to ask the wrong questions is akin to what is being done to humans at colleges and universities. GIGO, indeed.

Hacked military weapons targeting systems would account for a lot of collateral death.

"STOP! You're kiling the wrong people!"
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Post by: Smokin Joe on October 14, 2020, 05:37:31 pm
Hacked military weapons targeting systems would account for a lot of collateral death.

"STOP! You're kiling the wrong people!"
...and the machine replies...."let God sort them out."
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Post by: bigheadfred on October 24, 2020, 02:37:04 pm
https://artificialintelligence-news.com/2020/10/23/ibm-ai-predicts-alzheimers-better-standard-tests/

 By Ryan Daws | October 23, 2020 | TechForge Media

IBM has developed a new AI model which predicts the onset of Alzheimer’s better than standard clinical tests.

The AI is designed to be non-invasive and uses a short language sample from a verbal cognitive test given to a patient. Using this sample, the AI model is able to predict the onset of Alzheimer’s with around 71 percent accuracy.

For comparison, standard clinical tests are correct approximately 59 percent of the time and take much longer to diagnose. Current tests analyse the descriptive abilities of people as they age for potential warning signs.
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Post by: bigheadfred on October 24, 2020, 02:38:28 pm
71% accurracy is pretty good..

Makes me wonder how well it identifies people just stuck on stupid?
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Post by: bigheadfred on October 25, 2020, 12:38:14 am
How to create an AI that chats like you on WhatsApp

LOL (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjl-73Ov87sAhWXtJ4KHbyZCSAQ0PADegQIAhAH&url=https%3A%2F%2Fthenextweb.com%2Fneural%2F2020%2F10%2F24%2Fhow-to-create-an-ai-that-chats-like-you-on-whatsapp-syndication%2F&usg=AOvVaw1BBIiZiO3N1t6k7e8PWr6-)


The goal of this guide is to build a system capable of chatting like you, using your own WhatsApp and Telegram chats as an machine learning dataset.
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Post by: bigheadfred on October 25, 2020, 12:39:43 am
Can't fix stupid.

But you can replicate it.



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Post by: bigheadfred on October 25, 2020, 01:55:00 pm
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/10/201015173131.htm (https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/10/201015173131.htm)

All-terrain microrobot flips through a live colon

A rectangular robot as tiny as a few human hairs can travel throughout a colon by doing back flips, Purdue University engineers have demonstrated in live animal models.

More at link
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Post by: bigheadfred on October 25, 2020, 01:56:07 pm
What everyone needs. A robot doing back flips in their....
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: Cyber Liberty on October 25, 2020, 02:31:57 pm
What everyone needs. A robot doing back flips in their....

When they come up with one that moves like an inchworm, I'm outta here....
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Post by: bigheadfred on October 25, 2020, 02:41:15 pm
When they come up with one that moves like an inchworm, I'm outta here....

Almost makes me miss my pet tapeworm Obiwan.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: Cyber Liberty on October 25, 2020, 02:48:32 pm
Almost makes me miss my pet tapeworm Obiwan.

Did Obiwan keep you slim and trim for all those years?
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: bigheadfred on October 25, 2020, 03:19:35 pm
Did Obiwan keep you slim and trim for all those years?

Only because he wouldn't shut up. That know it all BS. Year after year. Kept threatening to reach down my throat and strangle the SOB. Got tired of him always chewing  my a$$.
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Post by: Smokin Joe on October 26, 2020, 01:58:43 am
Only because he wouldn't shut up. That know it all BS. Year after year. Kept threatening to reach down my throat and strangle the SOB. Got tired of him always chewing  my a$$.
And here I thought they were the ideal pet. They go where you go, eat what you eat, don't bite the neighbor's kid (even when they deserve it)...Don't chew the spines off of low shelved books, or make a mess on the carpet...they can even fly with you for free...
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: Cyber Liberty on October 26, 2020, 02:04:13 am
And here I thought they were the ideal pet. They go where you go, eat what you eat, don't bite the neighbor's kid (even when they deserve it)...Don't chew the spines off of low shelved books, or make a mess on the carpet...they can even fly with you for free...

The Goa'uld multiply like rabbits...
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Post by: bigheadfred on October 27, 2020, 12:44:07 pm
Scientists develop 'mini-brains' to help robots recognize pain and to self-repair

Using a brain-inspired approach, scientists from Nanyang Technological University, Singapore (NTU Singapore) have developed a way for robots to have the artificial intelligence (AI) to recognise pain and to self-repair when damaged.

The system has AI-enabled sensor nodes to process and respond to 'pain' arising from pressure exerted by a physical force. The system also allows the robot to detect and repair its own damage when minorly 'injured', without the need for human intervention.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/10/201015101812.htm (https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/10/201015101812.htm)
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Post by: bigheadfred on October 27, 2020, 12:45:37 pm
If a robot can inflict pain, it should be they can feel it, too.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on October 27, 2020, 03:39:43 pm
If a robot can inflict pain, it should be they can feel it, too.

Feedback circuits do exist. Like if  your roomba sucks up a sock, the rollers have a circuit to detect it.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: bigheadfred on October 27, 2020, 11:19:14 pm
Feedback circuits do exist. Like if  your roomba sucks up a sock, the rollers have a circuit to detect it.

Feedback circuits. If a romba eats a sock does it get stuck in an endless loop or does it teleport the sock to the dark side of the moon like clothes dryers do?
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Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on October 28, 2020, 12:10:02 am
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dmrrBIk6jc#)

Think I'll buy my dad one for xmas.
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Post by: bigheadfred on October 28, 2020, 12:17:00 am
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dmrrBIk6jc#)

Think I'll buy my dad one for xmas.

I just set up a 4 camera security system. I didn't aim to spy on the neighbors, but it sure ended the 3 a.m. fights out side the across the street neighbors are fond of doing.  This looks cool.

About the only thing I have worth stealing is a four camera security system.
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Post by: bigheadfred on October 30, 2020, 03:25:47 pm
The AI Company Helping the Pentagon Assess Disinfo Campaigns

Primer can quickly sort through hundreds of sources to identify, say, Russian interference in Azerbaijan. It sells its tech to Walmart too.

Walmart could use some intelligence. No matter the source.

https://www.wired.com/story/ai-helping-pentagon-assess-disinfo-campaigns/ (https://www.wired.com/story/ai-helping-pentagon-assess-disinfo-campaigns/)

More at link
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Post by: bigheadfred on November 05, 2020, 12:24:06 am
Deep Blue versus Garry Kasparov

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_Blue_versus_Garry_Kasparov

Deep Blue versus Garry Kasparov was a pair of six-game chess matches between world chess champion Garry Kasparov and an IBM supercomputer called Deep Blue. The first match was played in Philadelphia in 1996 and won by Kasparov. The second was played in New York City in 1997 and won by Deep Blue. The 1997 match was the first defeat of a reigning world chess champion by a computer under tournament conditions.

Deep Blue (chess computer) - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_Blue_(chess_computer)
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Post by: bigheadfred on November 05, 2020, 12:43:59 am
bump
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on November 05, 2020, 12:45:31 am
I'm buying you a Roomba, Fred.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: bigheadfred on November 05, 2020, 12:46:57 am
I'm buying you a Roomba, Fred.

Sounds like a cage match.
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Post by: bigheadfred on November 05, 2020, 01:08:04 am
bump
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Post by: bigheadfred on November 05, 2020, 01:13:25 am
There is a good Youtube vid out there about this.

This was one of the first onstage applications of AI. Or in that realm.

To get a machine to think like a human.

And now us. Our machines think for us.

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Post by: Smokin Joe on November 05, 2020, 05:41:19 am
There is a good Youtube vid out there about this.

This was one of the first onstage applications of AI. Or in that realm.

To get a machine to think like a human.

And now us. Our machines think for us.
Howard Mumford Jones put it: "Ours is the age which is proud of machines that think and suspicious of men who try to."

Today, the machine would be safe.
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Post by: bigheadfred on November 07, 2020, 03:52:37 pm
https://venturebeat.com/2020/11/06/ai-weekly-the-election/

AI Weekly: The election

Seth Colaner
@SethColaner
November 6, 2020 3:01 PM

In the United States, there was nothing else this week except for the presidential election. More people voted in this election than in any other previous U.S. presidential election — a total of 143,518,226 votes and counting. As we close out a long, stressful week, it appears all but a formality that Joe Biden and Kamala Harris will be the country’s next President and Vice President. Meanwhile, Donald Trump rages on in a toothless effort to hang onto power.

The results of the election were not the resounding referendum against white supremacy, misogyny, xenophobia, and bigotry that many had hoped for. But at least the fears about how technology could tip the scales of this election didn’t apparently come to pass — many were concerned about numerous threats from (or enabled by) technology, from deepfakes to bots to hacking. It’s true that technology certainly contributed to, or at least enabled, some of those threats, and we may not know much about the extent of their effects for some time, but it’s a relief that it’s not been so onerous that it’s dominated conversations about the election results. Instead, all eyes are on the slow trickle of run-of-the-mill ballot counting. We’ve heard little in the way of the controversy that could have emerged because of voting machine flaws; conversations have been more focused on things like how Nebraska divides its electoral votes and the political predilections of independent voters in Maricopa County than hacked voting systems.
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Post by: Cyber Liberty on November 07, 2020, 04:30:47 pm
The results of the election were not the resounding referendum against white supremacy, misogyny, xenophobia, and bigotry that many had hoped for. But at least the fears about how technology could tip the scales of this election didn’t apparently come to pass — many were concerned about numerous threats from (or enabled by) technology, from deepfakes to bots to hacking.

Utter bullshit.  This election is a mess precisely because the flawed technology has tipped the scales!  The counting software used by 30 states was hacked to turn Trump votes into Biteme votes.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: bigheadfred on November 14, 2020, 01:43:36 am
https://artificialintelligence-news.com/2020/11/12/synthesized-free-tool-detect-remove-algorithmic-biases/

Synthesized’s free tool aims to detect and remove algorithmic biases


By Ryan Daws | November 12, 2020 | TechForge Media

Synthesized has launched a free tool which aims to quickly identify and remove dangerous biases in algorithms.

As humans, we all have biases. These biases, often unconsciously, end up in algorithms which are designed to be used across society.
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Post by: bigheadfred on November 14, 2020, 01:43:59 am
Even votong machines...
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Post by: bigheadfred on November 14, 2020, 02:45:29 am
Skills development in Physical AI could give birth to lifelike intelligent robots

    November 10, 2020
Source:
    Imperial College London
Summary:

    New research suggests combining educational topics and research disciplines to help researchers breathe life into lifelike intelligent robots.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/11/201110112512.htm (https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/11/201110112512.htm)
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Post by: bigheadfred on November 14, 2020, 02:45:58 am
Burning the candle at both ends.
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Post by: Smokin Joe on November 16, 2020, 05:15:24 am
Even votong machines...
of late, especially voting machines...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ztu5Y5obWPk&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ztu5Y5obWPk&feature=youtu.be)
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Post by: bigheadfred on November 19, 2020, 01:37:23 pm
OK people. If you want your floors clean get a baby. @Weird Tolkienish Figure
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Post by: bigheadfred on November 19, 2020, 01:40:21 pm
https://thenextweb.com/neural/2020/07/17/a-beginners-guide-to-the-ai-apocalypse-artificial-stupidity/

A beginner’s guide to the AI apocalypse: Artificial stupidity


In this edition we’re going to flip the script and talk about something that might just save us from being destroyed by our robot overlords on September 23, 2029 (random date, but if it actually happens your mind is going to be blown), and that is: artificial stupidity.

But first, a few words about humans.

You won’t find any comprehensive data on the subject outside of the testimonials at the Darwin Awards, but stupidity is surely the biggest threat to humans throughout all of history.

Luckily we’re still the smartest species on the planet, so we’ve managed to remain in charge for a long time despite our shortcomings. Unfortunately a new challenger has entered the arena in the form of AI. And despite its relative infancy, artificial intelligence isn’t as far from challenging our status as the apex intellects as you might think.
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Post by: bigheadfred on November 19, 2020, 01:45:25 pm
Luckily we’re still the smartest species on the planet....

Pride goeth before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall. Proverbs 16:18
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Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on November 19, 2020, 03:27:06 pm
OK people. If you want your floors clean get a baby. @Weird Tolkienish Figure

Have one, he's a major reason my floors are dirty.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: bigheadfred on November 20, 2020, 02:51:05 am
Have one, he's a major reason my floors are dirty.

uh huh  :laugh:
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Post by: bigheadfred on December 13, 2020, 03:50:21 pm
https://artificialintelligence-news.com/2020/12/09/from-fantasy-to-reality-misunderstanding-the-impact-of-ai/

From fantasy to reality: Misunderstanding the impact of AI

The prominence of artificial intelligence (AI) has significantly grown in pop culture and science fiction over the years. It has speculated on how AI can change people’s lives, the places we live and our day-to-day activities. However, despite the increase of AI in popular films such as I, Robot, Star Trek and WALL-E, it’s continued depiction and futuristic tendencies throughout the years have altered individual perceptions about the true meaning of AI and how it is already playing a vital part in our everyday lives.

A recent survey conducted by O’Reilly paints this exact picture. It gives AI-creators an in-depth look at how consumers identify and use AI technology, showcasing the heightened misunderstanding that consumers have of AI and its use.
AI takes over popular culture

Television and the big screen have played a large role in introducing AI into our homes, but how does this depiction impact how we develop and implement the technology?

For those working to incorporate AI technology into products and develop new ways to use it, robots and cars are not an everyday focus. The areas of advancement instead look at AI that learns from our actions to more efficiently help us in our day-to-day lives, answering questions for us and completing tasks through speech recognition and language processing at work and at home.

But how do we harness the excitement around the fantasy of AI to increase everyday adoption?
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Post by: bigheadfred on December 13, 2020, 03:53:40 pm
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwifh8npp8vtAhWYsZ4KHZPhBZ0QFjABegQICRAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FMemetics&usg=AOvVaw1WuuXAsthkiz7vM1UQEW4z (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwifh8npp8vtAhWYsZ4KHZPhBZ0QFjABegQICRAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FMemetics&usg=AOvVaw1WuuXAsthkiz7vM1UQEW4z)

Memetics

Memetics is the study of information and culture based on an analogy with Darwinian evolution. Proponents describe memetics as an approach to evolutionary models of cultural information transfer. Memetics describes how an idea can propagate successfully, but doesn't necessarily imply a concept is factual.
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Post by: rustynail on December 13, 2020, 04:01:08 pm
Are democrats sentient robots?
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Post by: Cyber Liberty on December 13, 2020, 04:13:23 pm
Are democrats sentient robots?

They may be robots, but they are only marginally sentient.
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Post by: bigheadfred on December 13, 2020, 04:31:22 pm
Are democrats sentient robots?

The idea of memetics intrigues me. They are  sentient robots that exemplify group think.. Think of all the bad habits AI will learn from them.
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Post by: bigheadfred on April 02, 2021, 10:57:26 pm
Affectiva receives six new patents for using AI to analyse vehicle occupants

https://artificialintelligence-news.com/2021/03/23/affectiva-six-new-patents-using-ai-analyse-vehicle-occupants/

Human perception AI pioneer Affectiva has been granted six patents for detecting the awareness and emotions of vehicle occupants.

Your car knows more about how you are feeling than you do.
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Post by: bigheadfred on April 02, 2021, 11:15:49 pm
https://artificialintelligence-news.com/2020/10/28/medical-chatbot-openai-gpt3-patient-kill-themselves/

Medical chatbot using OpenAI’s GPT-3 told a fake patient to kill themselves

We’re used to medical chatbots giving dangerous advice, but one based on OpenAI’s GPT-3 took it much further.


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Post by: roamer_1 on April 03, 2021, 12:49:11 am
Affectiva receives six new patents for using AI to analyse vehicle occupants

https://artificialintelligence-news.com/2021/03/23/affectiva-six-new-patents-using-ai-analyse-vehicle-occupants/

Human perception AI pioneer Affectiva has been granted six patents for detecting the awareness and emotions of vehicle occupants.

Your car knows more about how you are feeling than you do.

I wonder if it can detect if I am using a Western half-bird or a back-east full bird....  :whistle:
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Post by: bigheadfred on April 03, 2021, 12:51:55 am
I wonder if it can detect if I am using a Western half-bird or a back-east full bird....  :whistle:

Is this one of those see if it can swallow that things?
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Post by: roamer_1 on April 03, 2021, 01:02:44 am
Is this one of those see if it can swallow that things?

yeah.

You want some fun? haul out your phone and ask google: "Hey Google... Did you fart?"

Maybe she says something different to you though...
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: bigheadfred on April 03, 2021, 01:04:02 am
yeah.

You want some fun? haul out your phone and ask google: "Hey Google... Did you fart?"

Maybe she says something different to you though...

I don't have a phone.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: roamer_1 on April 03, 2021, 01:06:16 am
I don't have a phone.

Well... You could try it on a trash can or a spoon or something... But I don't think the result would be the same.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: bigheadfred on April 03, 2021, 01:07:23 am
Well... You could try it on a trash can or a spoon or something... But I don't think the result would be the same.

Why try it at all?
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: roamer_1 on April 03, 2021, 01:10:42 am
Why try it at all?

Right. Blame it on the dog. That always works.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: bigheadfred on April 03, 2021, 01:12:48 am
Right. Blame it on the dog. That always works.

No need to go fer getting political. Biteme isn't a robot. Merely brain dead.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: roamer_1 on April 03, 2021, 01:15:29 am
No need to go fer getting political. Biteme isn't a robot. Merely brain dead.

LOL!
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: roamer_1 on April 03, 2021, 01:16:47 am
Why try it at all?

Seriously... I take a different tack than you... If something is going to try to rule me, I am going to learn how to hack it.

And I will learn how.
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Post by: bigheadfred on April 03, 2021, 10:40:28 pm
Artificial intelligence can now design new antibiotics in a matter of days

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjV-LnokePvAhXE854KHZyHCR0QxfQBMAp6BAgsEAk&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.vox.com%2Ffuture-perfect%2F22360573%2Fai-ibm-design-new-antibiotics-covid-19-treatments&usg=AOvVaw3iiarKOReOe3o4wdQFlB4A

magine you’re a scientist who needs to discover a new antibiotic to fight off a scary disease. How would you go about finding it?

Typically, you’d have to test lots and lots of different molecules in the lab until you find one that has the necessary bacteria-killing properties. You might find some contenders that are good at killing the bacteria only to realize that you can’t use them because they also prove toxic to humans. It’s a very long, very expensive, and probably very aggravating process.

But what if, instead, you could just type into your computer the properties you’re looking for and have your computer design the perfect molecule for you?
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Post by: bigheadfred on April 03, 2021, 10:41:02 pm
I need a new drug...one with no doubt...
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: roamer_1 on April 04, 2021, 12:25:24 am
I don't trust modern medicine to start with, so...  :shrug:
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: bigheadfred on April 04, 2021, 12:36:12 am
I don't trust modern medicine to start with, so...  :shrug:

Modern medicine is an oxymoron maybe even a non sequitur.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: roamer_1 on April 04, 2021, 12:38:48 am
Modern medicine is an oxymoron maybe even a non sequitur.

It has its place... But for the most part, you do better with native/folk remedies
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: bigheadfred on April 04, 2021, 12:50:18 am
It has its place... But for the most part, you do better with native/folk remedies

I mean the difference between modern health care and medicine. No one has shown me many native remedies aren't modern medicine.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: roamer_1 on April 04, 2021, 12:54:02 am
I mean the difference between modern health care and medicine. No one has shown me many native remedies aren't modern medicine.

Heh heh... That's right.  :beer: :seeya:
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: bigheadfred on April 07, 2021, 11:59:32 pm
Fujitsu develops AI to detect product abnormalities during manufacturing

https://artificialintelligence-news.com/2021/03/29/fujitsu-develops-ai-product-abnormalities-manufacturing/

Thanks.

I didn't order a trans...whatever...doll.
Title: Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
Post by: Elderberry on October 05, 2021, 01:03:33 pm
It’s all fun and games until the robot kills a cheerleader…

Mizzou FOUR legged ROBOT does dance with the GOLDEN GIRLS

Oct 2, 2021

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_-i2CjAGaE&t=1s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_-i2CjAGaE&t=1s)