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Did Muslims Start Notre Dame Fire?
by Rev. Austin Miles | Apr 17, 2019
Why has no other writer asked this question? Simply because most are afraid to. When someone tried to bring up this subject with Shepherd Smith, the gay news anchor got in the way and would not allow the question to be pursued. That surprised me. He of all people should have welcomed the discussion since Muslims not only hate gays, but believe they are all condemned and throw them off the roofs of buildings feeling that they should all die. This is part of their culture.
This writer WILL pursue the Notre Dame fire. First of all, how many know that the week preceding the Notre Dame fire, 12 French churches had been torched? That news was smothered. This was all possibly planned, building up to the grand finale to show Islamic superiority by staging an event as earth shattering as 9-11 which brought them the notoriety they coveted as well as causing widespread fear.
Now let us analyze the time frame. This week is the holiest week for Christians along with the week before leading up to it. This would be the perfect time for Muslims to destroy the largest, most prestigious beautiful Christian church in the world in a high profile action which would demonstrate Islamic power, just like they did on 9-11, for the purpose of murdering and bullying all Americans.
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https://trueconservativepundit.com/2019/04/17/did-muslims-start-notre-dame-fire/ (https://trueconservativepundit.com/2019/04/17/did-muslims-start-notre-dame-fire/)
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Not enough information yet.
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Certainly there is motive and opportunity, but I'll wait till the investigation is further along. My hunch is more than likely they did.
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Patience produces wisdom.
While waiting, the Prefecture in Paris reported today
that an initial investigation indicates that there was
short-circuiting in attic wiring. Add to that, heat levels
there reached 112F* due to Paris humidity under the
lead roof. So stay tuned. Now back to the arson mongers.
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The alarm system did not catch the fire burning behind a wall I understand. Something like this. As of now, I'm going with the official explanations, No.
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If they did, we will never know about it. Almost all of Europe goes to fantastic lengths to cover up Islamic rape, murder, pedophilia, and riots. They simply don't report it in the press, and they do not record it in government crime statistics.
Like America only worse, they believe that if they ignore Islamic depravity that somehow then it does not exist.
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Well it sure wasn't Mrs. O'Leary's cow.
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Nah.... it's just a (another) coinkydence.
https://www.breitbart.com/faith/2019/03/20/twelve-french-churches-attacked-vandalized-in-one-week/ (https://www.breitbart.com/faith/2019/03/20/twelve-french-churches-attacked-vandalized-in-one-week/)
Pay no attention to the logic, the facts, the reality and the effing obvious, IOW.
https://gellerreport.com/2019/04/notre-dame-fire-whatwe-know.html/ (https://gellerreport.com/2019/04/notre-dame-fire-whatwe-know.html/)
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No telling who is was if anyone. But certainly suspicious that flames grew fast almost within minutes and almost three hours after workers left the job and almost an hour after the place closed. Conjecture would say had to be some kind of accelerant tied to a delay fuse. 800 year old timbers don’t burn easily. Wood roofing on the other hand, would.
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Waiting for the investigation. Hope the French are honest about they find.
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No. It was roofers. First the library at Kansas State University, now Notre Dame de Paris. Watch out for roofers, there's not telling how many major public buildings they'd take down before they're brought under control.
If it were Muslims, they'd have claimed responsibility by now. There's no point in attacking an infidel site if you don't strike terror into the infidel.
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Well it sure wasn't Mrs. O'Leary's cow.
If it was a French cow, it would be a vache :)
I’ll wait for the facts. However, in the immortal words of Tom Petty, “the waiting is the hardest partâ€
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No. It was roofers. First the library at Kansas State University, now Notre Dame de Paris. Watch out for roofers, there's not telling how many major public buildings they'd take down before they're brought under control.
If it were Muslims, they'd have claimed responsibility by now. There's no point in attacking an infidel site if you don't strike terror into the infidel.
That’s a good point. If it turned out to be a Muslim, it wouldn’t surprise me. But we just don’t know yet.
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No. It was roofers. First the library at Kansas State University, now Notre Dame de Paris. Watch out for roofers, there's not telling how many major public buildings they'd take down before they're brought under control.
If it were Muslims, they'd have claimed responsibility by now. There's no point in attacking an infidel site if you don't strike terror into the infidel.
It would be interesting to know whether responsibility was claimed following any of the other 850+ churches that have been torched/desecrated in France over the past year or two.
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I did not know about the 12 churches in the week prior. That said, there is not a doubt in my mind that the mussies set this fire. I think it is safe to assume that a large contingent of workers on the renovation are mussies, so I am certain they had access.
I have said for a long time to friends that France would become the next Syria, where the mussies begin killing Christians in earnest and destroy every building and artifact that is not islamic. The religion of peace is the single greatest threat to western civilization, with nothing remotely approaching the damage they will unearth on civilization.
The western world has opened Pandoras Box and allowed the mussies in thinking they are civilized, and nothing is further from the truth.
History tells what the future holds. About every two hundred years or so the mussies rise up and start what they know best, a killing spree that is unwaranted, killing innocent people in their path. And each time, they are knocked down by a more violent force.
I have become a Halseyite. Admiral William Halsey in a speech in 1943 addressed an audience in San Francisco, and there he said, 'the only good Jap, is a Jap that has been dead for six months or more. In a country like Japan, where the civilian population support the military as they do, the only good Jap civilian, is a Jap civilian that has been dead for six months or more.'
Until we can tell the good from the bad, they are all enemies of civilization, and I believe that his sentiments for Japs during WWII applies to mussies today. They are without question the enemy of civilized man. The next great war will be fought with them, and it will be bio weapons, and billions will die. I anticipate in the 2040s, and the death toll will make WWII look tame by comparison. And when it happens, they will be dealt with harshly.
FINALLY, ANYONE BELIEVING THE FRENCH GOVERNMENT WILL REPORT THE TRUTH ABOUT NOTRE DAME AND THE FIRE'S CAUSE IS A FOOL. WILL NOT HAPPEN.
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While I am waiting for the official investigation, I keep hearing stuff about a short circuit in the wiring.
Just one problem. The folks at Notre Dame were so concerned about the possibility of the roof timbers and materials, all incredibly well seasoned wood, catching fire, they didn't allow any wiring in the roof part of the cathedral, known as 'the forrest'.
If they didn't allow electrical wiring up there, how did they have a short circuit?
Which begs the question: would investigators under the Macron government be instructed to not disclose signs of arson in fear of a serious backlash against likely perpetrators, en masse? The 'culture war' in France has gone hot, and all that remains is the acknowledgement that it is happening.
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If they did, we will never know about it. Almost all of Europe goes to fantastic lengths to cover up Islamic rape, murder, pedophilia, and riots. They simply don't report it in the press, and they do not record it in government crime statistics.
Like America only worse, they believe that if they ignore Islamic depravity that somehow then it does not exist.
All true! 100%
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Whether it was Muslims I don't know, but it sure doesn't look like the fire started by accident.
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Whether it was Muslims I don't know, but it sure doesn't look like the fire started by accident.
Yes, muslims are not the only actively anti-Christian force in France.
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...The folks at Notre Dame were so concerned about the possibility of the roof timbers and materials, all incredibly well seasoned wood, catching fire, they didn't allow any wiring in the roof part of the cathedral, known as 'the forrest'.
If they didn't allow electrical wiring up there, how did they have a short circuit? ....
I keep seeing reports claiming this short-circuit event. Just silly when that the wiring did not exist.
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No.
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Who needs wood to start a fire?
Theory: The areas high above the cathedral had years and years of dust. Much easier to catch fire either deliberately or via spontaneous combustion. Sunlight through cracks and with the high humidity and even moisture drops from leaks in the roof could easier catch the dust on fire, hence an accelerant in and of itself.
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Who needs wood to start a fire?
Theory: The areas high above the cathedral had years and years of dust. Much easier to catch fire either deliberately or via spontaneous combustion. Sunlight through cracks and with the high humidity and even moisture drops from leaks in the roof could easier catch the dust on fire, hence an accelerant in and of itself.
You think that moisture causes fires?
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I keep seeing reports claiming this short-circuit event. Just silly when that the wiring did not exist.
Wiring DID exist. They had to have generators/wires/cords to do the renovation work.
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You think that moisture causes fires?
Didn’t say that. But moisture will act like a magnifying glass.
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Didn’t say that. But moisture will act like a magnifying glass.
Sunlight through cracks and with the high humidity and even moisture drops from leaks in the roof could easier catch the dust on fire, hence an accelerant in and of itself.
You said high humidity and moisture acts as an accelerant. Really doesn't make any sense at all.
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You said high humidity and moisture acts as an accelerant. Really doesn't make any sense at all.
*****rollingeyes***** Oh brother, almost as bad as the Dems trying to find something in Mueller’s Report.
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You said high humidity and moisture acts as an accelerant. Really doesn't make any sense at all.
Spontaneous combustion can occur in large piles of organic matter, due to heat produced by bacterial activity that can't escape the pile. Hay is often suspected to ignite in this fashion. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spontaneous_combustion (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spontaneous_combustion)
But it only occurs in situations where there is a large enough pile to prevent the heat from escaping. I doubt that there was that much dust present there.
According to accounts, they were setting up to do the renovation work, not actually doing it.
The fire was first noted shortly after the work day had concluded.
Was electric lighting rigged for the purpose of illuminating the work area?
If so, how? (We use stand alone, diesel generators with light towers in the oil patch for lighting temporary locations with a very low fire hazard from the lighting. Was something similar in use or perhaps some other arrangement, and was it shut down at the end of the work day?).
Just more questions than answers at this point.
One more: In order to prevent violence, would the investigating agencies, on their own or under command from higher ups not release evidence of arson conducted or suspected to be conducted by Muslims?
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Spontaneous combustion can occur in large piles of organic matter, due to heat produced by bacterial activity that can't escape the pile. Hay is often suspected to ignite in this fashion. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spontaneous_combustion (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spontaneous_combustion)
But it only occurs in situations where there is a large enough pile to prevent the heat from escaping. I doubt that there was that much dust present there.
Correct, this is not the case.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D4RDwTOWAAA5zVS.jpg)
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Correct, this is not the case.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D4RDwTOWAAA5zVS.jpg)
So we can rule out spontaneous combustion or faulty wiring not associated with the renovations, because there was no wiring in the forrest.
Which means any wiring which may have been present would be directly related to renovation activity, and should have been powered down at the end of the workday. Especially when accounts indicate the actual renovations had not started yet.
I find the idea that any working there would be careless with any potential ignition source improbable. This is not 'just another job', but a high profile renovation.
Arson remains a strong possibility.
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So we can rule out spontaneous combustion or faulty wiring not associated with the renovations, because there was no wiring in the forrest.
Which means any wiring which may have been present would be directly related to renovation activity, and should have been powered down at the end of the workday. Especially when accounts indicate the actual renovations had not started yet.
I find the idea that any working there would be careless with any potential ignition source improbable. This is not 'just another job', but a high profile renovation.
Arson remains a strong possibility.
At the following link, the embedded video has some great footage of the attic starting at 2:15
https://krcrtv.com/news/nation-world/this-historian-showcased-wooden-framework-supporting-notre-dame-cathedral-back-in-2014
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At the following link, the embedded video has some great footage of the attic starting at 2:15
https://krcrtv.com/news/nation-world/this-historian-showcased-wooden-framework-supporting-notre-dame-cathedral-back-in-2014
I noted several fire extinguishers, but no artificial lighting. It may be hard for people to fathom, but the Cathedral was constructed at a time when electric lighting was not available, and the light in the space is apparently predominantly natural light, enhanced by only the lighting from the camera.
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Waiting for the investigation. Hope the French are honest about they find.
@austingirl
ROFLMAO! Have you ever read anything about the French government? They make our government seem to be composed of sober saints,by comparison.
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It would be interesting to know whether responsibility was claimed following any of the other 850+ churches that have been torched/desecrated in France over the past year or two.
@skeeter
Odd how that seems to be either suppressed or never even mentioned,ain't it?
IF I were the suspicious type..........
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The religion of peace is the single greatest threat to western civilization, with nothing remotely approaching the damage they will unearth on civilization.
And there it is. Nothing more needs to be said other than "get em!"
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*****rollingeyes***** Oh brother, almost as bad as the Dems trying to find something in Mueller’s Report.
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Don't waste your time w/the arson mongers,
as they're looking for arguments not answers.
A leaden roof, trapping heat and humidity among
Oak beams 900 years old should be sufficient to
provoke questioning, not 'know it all' posturing.
Yet look on the bright side. At least you were
spared a lecture in Integral Calculus followed by
the comment; "See how I just proved it was arson!"
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Don't waste your time w/the arson mongers,
as they're looking for arguments not answers.
A leaden roof, trapping heat and humidity among
Oak beams 900 years old should be sufficient to
provoke questioning, not 'know it all' posturing.
Yet look on the bright side. At least you were
spared a lecture in Integral Calculus followed by
the comment; "See how I just proved it was arson!"
A leaden roof, trapping heat (and humidity???) in the blazing hot April sun in Paris.
If only someone with actual firefighting experience would weigh in here.
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Nearly 900 years and no spontaneous combustion. The fact that makes it clear what went down, was that there were 12 churches burned in France in the week prior to Notre Dame. No mystery here. Add a couple million mussies and stir. Death and destruction will follow.
No damn mystery whatsoever. And if you think the French government would ever come out and say it was arson and set by mussies, you are dreaming. Better to let the mussies to destroy their whole country than tell the truth. France becomes Syria in 20 years, where much of the country is destroyed.
It is projected mussies will be the majority in France by 2025. After that, the Christians will slowly be killed off to the point there will not be enough with the power and will to do anything but have their heads cut off. Eventually, France will become just one more peaceful islamic nation.
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@austingirl
ROFLMAO! Have you ever read anything about the French government? They make our government seem to be composed of sober saints,by comparison.
@sneakypete
My hope for the French to be honest was tongue-in-cheek. If muslims are responsible, I doubt the French would admit it. The work crew knew full well the treasure they were working on and should have been exquisitely careful. After Sri Lanka and considering the number of attacks on Churches, I wouldn't be surprised if Notre Dame was deliberately set on fire.
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@sneakypete
My hope for the French to be honest was tongue-in-cheek. If muslims are responsible, I doubt the French would admit it. The work crew knew full well the treasure they were working on and should have been exquisitely careful. After Sri Lanka and considering the number of attacks on Churches, I wouldn't be surprised if Notre Dame was deliberately set on fire.
One media source eagerly theorized the fire was started by wiring. That one quickly went the way of the welding theory when it was found wiring was not allowed in the 'forest'. They weren't so stupid as to allow such fire threats up in there.
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Don't waste your time w/the arson mongers,
as they're looking for arguments not answers.
A leaden roof, trapping heat and humidity among
Oak beams 900 years old should be sufficient to
provoke questioning, not 'know it all' posturing.
Yet look on the bright side. At least you were
spared a lecture in Integral Calculus followed by
the comment; "See how I just proved it was arson!"
@Absalom
That's true. We all know the same conditions for 850 or 875 years would have never created a fire all by itself. It took 900 years. What a difference a half-century makes!
We also know Muslims would NEVER even dream of attacking a church or other non-Muslim religion in any shape or manner,right?
Nice try,though.
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@sneakypete
My hope for the French to be honest was tongue-in-cheek. If muslims are responsible, I doubt the French would admit it.
@austingirl
For that to happen the French government would have to admit they were wrong to allow so many Muslims basically unfettered entrance into France.
There is no way in HELL any government is going to admit to such a thing. This goes double with the French,who consider themselves to be Earth's superior intellectuals. Not that it is going to matter much longer because they will soon be a minority in France,and the ones remaining will be dropping to their knees in the streets several times a day to pray to Allah.
So will we if we don't wake up to the threat pretty soon. The recent Muslim congresscritters were just a toe in the water. Look for several more to be elected in the next cycle. Most likely they will be women also,because we see women as less of a threat.
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@Absalom
That's true. We all know the same conditions for 850 or 875 years would have never created a fire all by itself. It took 900 years. What a difference a half-century makes!
We also know Muslims would NEVER even dream of attacking a church or other non-Muslim religion in any shape or manner,right?
Nice try,though.
Muslim terrorists attack churches with people in them. Notre Dame burned after visiting hours. Most likely just an accident related to the renovations.
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@Absalom
That's true. We all know the same conditions for 850 or 875 years would have never created a fire all by itself. It took 900 years. What a difference a half-century makes!
We also know Muslims would NEVER even dream of attacking a church or other non-Muslim religion in any shape or manner,right?
Nice try,though.
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Sneeky,
Worked in Bahrain for almost two decades; becoming aware of Arab behavior and impulses.
Am also aware that Nature is a far more powerful creative/destructive force than Man.
Pass it on.
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Patience produces wisdom.
Add to that, heat levels
there reached 112F* due to Paris humidity under the
lead roof.
AHA! It was Global Warming!!!
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Police have confirmed that a fire in the French church of Notre-Dame de Grâce on Easter Sunday appears to have been intentionally set, making it the latest in a string of desecrations of Christian churches in the country.
The fire was started in a large, wooden confessional around 4:30pm and proceeded to consume a dais in the presbytery of the eighteenth-century church located in the southern French town of Eyguières, near Provence.
https://www.breitbart.com/faith/2019/04/23/another-french-church-burns-on-easter-sunday-probable-arson/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+breitbart+%28Breitbart+News%29 (https://www.breitbart.com/faith/2019/04/23/another-french-church-burns-on-easter-sunday-probable-arson/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+breitbart+%28Breitbart+News%29)
Another French Church fire at a different Notre-Dame on Easter- probable arson.
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Patience produces wisdom.
While waiting, the Prefecture in Paris reported today
that an initial investigation indicates that there was
short-circuiting in attic wiring. Add to that, heat levels
there reached 112F* due to Paris humidity under the
lead roof. So stay tuned. Now back to the arson mongers.
Humidity does not change temperature. The "feels like" temperature is a real effect, but only for a living body that has to sweat to stay cool. Humidity has no impact at all in actual temperature of non-living items. It does not make wood and lead hotter in actual temperature.
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Humidity does not change temperature. The "feels like" temperature is a real effect, but only for a living body that has to sweat to stay cool. Humidity has no impact at all in actual temperature of non-living items. It does not make wood and lead hotter in actual temperature.
@thackney
AND 112F isn't hot enough for combustion to take place.
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@thackney
AND 112F isn't hot enough for combustion to take place.
Not even close. Fahrenheit 451 had that title because that was the temperature that paper in books catches fire.
Paper.
Try igniting damp paper, for instance, vs dry paper. (it's harder, because the moisture needs to be cooked out first.)
If 112 degrees was all that dangerous, cars in parking lots across the South would self immolate every summer.