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DISTURBING REPORT -- Obamacare Fines To Be Seized From Bank Accounts?
October 02, 2013
(PAUL JOSEPH WATSON) -- A man who attempted to sign up for Obamacare online was told that a fine of over $4,000 dollars a year for refusing to take out mandatory health insurance could be taken directly from his bank account, and that his drivers license would be suspended and a federal tax lien placed against his home, according to an entry on the HealthCare.gov Facebook page.
Will Sheehan claims that when he tried to sign up for Obamacare and then register to opt out, he received an ominous warning. Sheehan’s full Facebook post reads;If true, the implementation of Obamacare is going to be a whole lot more draconian than Americans have been led to believe.
“I actually made it through this morning at 8:00 A.M. I have a preexisting condition (Type 1 Diabetes) and my income base was 45K-55K annually I chose tier 2 “Silver Plan” and my monthly premiums came out to $597.00 with $13,988 yearly deductible!!! There is NO POSSIBLE way that I can afford this so I “opt-out” and chose to continue along with no insurance.
I received an email tonight at 5:00 P.M. informing me that my fine would be $4,037 and could be attached to my yearly income tax return. Then you make it to the “REPERCUSSIONS PORTION” for “non-payment” of yearly fine. First, your drivers license will be suspended until paid, and if you go 24 consecutive months with “Non-Payment” and you happen to be a home owner, you will have a federal tax lien placed on your home. You can agree to give your bank information so that they can easy “Automatically withdraw” your “penalties” weekly, bi-weekly or monthly! This by no means is “Free” or even “Affordable.”
Sheehan went on to point out that the site makes you input all your personal information before giving you an indication of the costs, meaning a database of the “uninsured” is being built. He added that he could not afford to pay the premium so would have to break the law and pay the fine, leaving him with no health care coverage.
The federal government has consistently denied that any fines pertaining to Obamacare non-compliance could be seized from bank accounts.
“There’s no criminal sanctions for not paying this, and there’s no ability to levy a bank account or do seizures,” then-IRS commissioner Douglas Shulman said in April 2010.
In addition, Americans who refuse to pay for mandatory health insurance “shall not be subject to any criminal prosecution,” according to the law itself.
Section 1501(g)(2) of the Affordable Care Act also states that the IRS cannot “file notice of lien with respect to any property of a taxpayer by reason of any failure to pay the penalty imposed by this section.”
EIther Sheehan’s claim that he received this notice is a lie, or the feds have been dishonest with the American people all along, and the revolt against Obamacare is about to take “don’t tread on me” to a whole new level.
Read a copy of the full exchange on Facebook below.
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The S is about to meet the fan.
And it's all got Obama's name on it.
Hello, comrade!
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We told you so and you didn't believe us.
Maybe you'll listen next time.
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“I actually made it through this morning at 8:00 A.M. I have a preexisting condition (Type 1 Diabetes) and my income base was 45K-55K annually I chose tier 2 “Silver Plan” and my monthly premiums came out to $597.00 with $13,988 yearly deductible!!! There is NO POSSIBLE way that I can afford this so I “opt-out” and chose to continue along with no insurance.
Another example of what Obama meant....saying he would "transform the United States of America"
Now an up and comer will have to fore go that beautiful BMW sport sedan and buy a Ford Focus.....in honor of Barack Obama. (Cause he's gonna focus all at the same time)
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Another example of what Obama meant....saying he would "transform the United States of America"
Now an up and comer will have to fore go that beautiful BMW sport sedan and buy a Ford Focus.....in honor of Barack Obama. (Cause he's gonna focus all at the same time)
Hey, he was telling the truth, no one is turned down for a pre existing condition. You just have to pay out of the ass for it, sell your soul, and prostitute your daughter.
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DISTURBING REPORT -- Obamacare Fines To Be Seized From Bank Accounts?
Just wait till the unannounced 'bank holiday' occurs some weekend a la Panama...
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See, we had to pass it to find out what was in it...
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I am taking this report with a grain of salt. Not that I don't believe the Obama crowd isn't capable of this kind of heavy intimidation but because of two things: (1) He doesn't document what the article clearly states is a "claim"; and (2) he states they threatened to suspend his driver's license. Driver's licenses are a state, not a federal, matter. Not quite sure where they would get the authority to do that.
Do not get me wrong. I am not saying this report is false. Rather I am saying it is lacking in certain details.
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I am taking this report with a grain of salt. Not that I don't believe the Obama crowd isn't capable of this kind of heavy intimidation but because of two things: (1) He doesn't document what the article clearly states is a "claim"; and (2) he states they threatened to suspend his driver's license. Driver's licenses are a state, not a federal, matter. Not quite sure where they would get the authority to do that.
Do not get me wrong. I am not saying this report is false. Rather I am saying it is lacking in certain details.
The monthly contribution sounds like it's in the ballpark for his income, but a $13,000+ deductable? That is hard to believe. My current Company subsidized plan has a $300 per person annual deductible with $900 maximum.
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The monthly contribution sounds like it's in the ballpark for his income, but a $13,000+ deductable? That is hard to believe. My current Company subsidized plan has a $300 per person annual deductible with $900 maximum.
That is the kicker, Navy. They make the premiums sound really good, but hide the huge deductibles until you go to sign up, there has been a lot on the news lately about the back end costs, basically this is a major medical plan and you pay cash and carry for most visits.
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They make the premiums sound really good, but hide the huge deductibles until you go to sign up, there has been a lot on the news lately about the back end costs...
Well, the out-of-pocket maximum limits were suspended for 2014...
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Sheehan went on to point out that the site makes you input all your personal information before giving you an indication of the costs, meaning a database of the “uninsured” is being built.
Sounds like a good reason to use a public library computer and lie...
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I am taking this report with a grain of salt. Not that I don't believe the Obama crowd isn't capable of this kind of heavy intimidation but because of two things: (1) He doesn't document what the article clearly states is a "claim"; and (2) he states they threatened to suspend his driver's license. Driver's licenses are a state, not a federal, matter. Not quite sure where they would get the authority to do that.
Do not get me wrong. I am not saying this report is false. Rather I am saying it is lacking in certain details.
Its gotta be true. It is on the internet.
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Its gotta be true. It is on the internet.
So are you...
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So are you...
:smokin:
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That is the kicker, Navy. They make the premiums sound really good, but hide the huge deductibles until you go to sign up, there has been a lot on the news lately about the back end costs, basically this is a major medical plan and you pay cash and carry for most visits.
At $13,000+ deductibles unless you are a person with a medical condition, that would be a lot of doctor visits for the average family before the insurance plan takes over. May as well pay cash if you are able and leave the plan out of it. Many doctors and dentist offer cash discounts. Of course I heard talk they were trying to make paying cash illegal.
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Its gotta be true. It is on the internet.
Normally I would agree but every hour we are hearing more and more stories like this. I am leaning more toward the administration reports of what should be maximum payments and fines being the BS part.
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I heard this a few years ago. They will be able to take the fines directly from bank account.
Found this on net....
What's in Obamacare, Part 6:
Federal Government Access to Individual Finances
http://libertyandpride.com/obamacare-gives-the-government-access-to-your-bank-account/
H.R. 3590 gives the federal government specific access to individual bank accounts and medical records as provided by that individuals health plan. The government may monitor an individuals finances and medical records electronically, for the purposes of determining an individuals eligibility for certain programs under the bill. They may also monitor an individuals finances and medical records to ascertain whether that individual has health insurance and is making regular premium payments to an approved health insurance plan; this will allow the federal government to determine each individuals financial responsibilities with respect to penalties and fees prior to or at the point of care as outlined in the bill. This clause also gives the government the ability to transfer funds electronically to or from an individuals bank account for the purposes of debiting his/her account for fees and penalties.
The stated purpose of this clause is “to reduce the clerical burden on patients, health care providers, and health plans.”
Quick note for those of you who say “the government already had access to our bank accounts.” That’s true, but it was previously required that they obtain a court order to access any individuals personal finances. This bill provides them free reign to do so whenever they please.
STANDARDS FOR INFORMATION TRANSACTIONS AND DATA ELEMENTS (http://www.ssa.gov/OP_Home/ssact/title11/1173.htm)
H.R. 3590: Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, Pages 58-77 (http://democrats.senate.gov/reform/patient-protection-affordable-care-act.pdf)
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What's in Obamacare, Part 6:
Federal Government Access to Individual Finances
This truth about this thing just gets worse and worse, doesn't it? It passed and by golly we are definitely finding out what's in it.
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This truth about this thing just gets worse and worse, doesn't it? It passed and by golly we are definitely finding out what's in it.
So it is true? They can take it out of you bank acct?
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So it is true? They can take it out of you bank acct?
Yep, and getting a new bank account won't help.
Remember what you have to provide to open a bank account now? That's right, your SSN.
Bingo! We have a match!
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Its gotta be true. It is on the internet.
It's not. The maximum fine for the first year is $428 for a family. This entire story sounds phony.
A $13,000 deductible doesn't even make any sense.
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Yep, and getting a new bank account won't help.
Remember what you have to provide to open a bank account now? That's right, your SSN.
Bingo! We have a match!
I thought I read that in the ACA a while back.
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The high deductibles sure look like fact, according to this thread (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,115033.0.html). I'd like to see evidence that what this guy says is "phony."
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I'm so happy that I'm 67 years old and don't have to put up with this sh*t.
OTOH.....when the "Death Panel" reviews my request for a stent....they're going to tell me to take the pill instead.
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I'm so happy that I'm 67 years old and don't have to put up with this sh*t.
OTOH.....when the "Death Panel" reviews by request for a stent....they're going to tell me to take the pill instead.
I'm glad I got my new hip before I have to go before the *Death Panel*.....lol
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As much I hate Obama care, I don't believe this story.. Something about it stinks.. Has this been verified?
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AbaraXas wrote:
[[ We told you so and you didn't believe us.
Maybe you'll listen next time. ]]
They wont.
The left and "the diverse" will support this guy and his ilk until nothing remains but wreckage.
And when that happens, they'll point their fingers and blame racis's like YOU.
I wish I could add the "/s" for sarcasm, but no sarcasm intended.
That's what's gonna happen.
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As much I hate Obama care, I don't believe this story.. Something about it stinks.. Has this been verified?
Kevin, I don't know about this specific person but I've been reading many similar stories, tweets, and posts from people finding out their opt-out penalties or fees are far higher than what the administration advertised. I did a bit of digging and found there are a lot of additional fees and fine print they are tacking on that do make the numbers claimed here add up.
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,115156.0.html
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I'm glad I got my new hip before I have to go before the *Death Panel*.....lol
I've been trying to get in as much "doctorin'" as possible. Today I go for some more therapy on a painful thumb, and it occurred to me that O'care would see no reason for a hand therapy department at that hospital. Just take some aspirin if it hurts!
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Kevin, I don't know about this specific person but I've been reading many similar stories, tweets, and posts from people finding out their opt-out penalties or fees are far higher than what the administration advertised. I did a bit of digging and found there are a lot of additional fees and fine print they are tacking on that do make the numbers claimed here add up.
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,115156.0.html
Ok, I stand corrected, the reason why I was skeptical is that I saw that new from inforwars.com thank you for the info.
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I've been trying to get in as much "doctorin'" as possible. Today I go for some more therapy on a painful thumb, and it occurred to me that O'care would see no reason for a hand therapy department at that hospital. Just take some aspirin if it hurts!
The bad part is that I have a lot of moles on my back and I'm a high risk for skin cancer... The death panel will say no to me.
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As much I hate Obama care, I don't believe this story.. Something about it stinks.. Has this been verified?
The $13,000 deductable seemed way to outrages to be believable to me also. Ten times the amount I would expect the average deductable to be. But he did say that he had a preexisting condition (Type 1 Diabetes). That could be the reason for the grossly inflated deductable. Obama did promise those with a preexisting would not be turned away. He didn’t say they would have up to 10-times the deductable than those with no known health issues.
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The $13,000 deductable seemed way to outrages to be believable to me also. Ten times the amount I would expect the average deductable to be. But he did say that he had a preexisting condition (Type 1 Diabetes). That could be the reason for the grossly inflated deductable. Obama did promise those with a preexisting would not be turned away. He didn’t say they would have up to 10-times the deductable than those with no known health issues.
They prolly meant out-of-pocket max, and that isn't outrageous. Had a lady in my office yesterday whose family coverage had a $12,000 out-of-pocket max for 2014. No pre-existing conditions.
And yeah, that's the catch w/ the pre-existing condition. You can't be denied, but you can be gouged so much that you still end up w/ no insurance.
But a politician can claim that they 'helped' you...
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The $13,000 deductable seemed way to outrages to be believable to me also. Ten times the amount I would expect the average deductable to be. But he did say that he had a preexisting condition (Type 1 Diabetes). That could be the reason for the grossly inflated deductable. Obama did promise those with a preexisting would not be turned away. He didn’t say they would have up to 10-times the deductable than those with no known health issues.
Right... I say let it go.. Highlight the failures, and let it crash...
Also I saw this news from infowars.com at first.
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A lot of our patients already have omg deductibles and pay cash for their visits... their deductibles are more for major medical than anything. Yesterday a woman on FOX was saying she wanted Ocare because she needed it if she had an auto accident. My first thought was all she needs is the right auto insurance if that was the only reason and she can get it for a lot less money.
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Feds have been seizing bank assets for various thing for a long time.
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This the way they plan to confiscate your 401Ks and IRAs. Congress, both sides, have been itching for a way to put all retirement plans in their 'lock box' in Congress, and we all know what that means. It will be spent by them and gone in only a few years.
But yes, they want to take land, homes, retirement accounts, businesses, everything. And why shouldn't they take it? It is their money anyway.
"You didn't build that!" (Implying, of course, ... we did!)
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Feds have been seizing bank assets for various thing for a long time.
Yeah, but it used to take a court order to do that.
Not any more...
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A guy on Fox right now, his deductible went from $4000 to $8000 a year and includes benefits he doesn't want or need - as his family is grown - Maternity and newborn care.
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Ok, I stand corrected, the reason why I was skeptical is that I saw that new from inforwars.com thank you for the info.
I can understand that. If InfoWars said the sun was in the sky, I would have to double and triple check.