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Energy Department finalizes efficiency standards for washers and dryers
By
Nancy Vu
February 29, 2024 6:10 pm
The Department of Energy finalized efficiency standards on Thursday for new residential clothes washers and dryers coming to the market in an effort to reduce carbon emissions and cut down energy costs for consumers.
The DOE expects the finalized rule to save consumers $2.2 billion per year on utility bills, amounting to $39 billion over 30 years, according to a press release. The rules are also expected to reduce 71 million metric tons of carbon dioxide emissions, the equivalent of emissions from 9 million homes.
“For decades, DOE’s appliance standards actions for clothes washers and dryers have provided loads of savings for American families while also de-creasing harmful carbon emissions,” Secretary of Energy Jennifer Granholm said in a statement. “With strong support from industry leaders and consumer advocates, DOE will continue to roll out innovative appliance solutions throughout 2024 to lower costs for the American people—continuing the cycle of household savings that are the backbone of President Biden’s Investing in America agenda.”
The clothes washer standards are expected to allow for between 9%-11% in energy savings and 17%-28% in water savings, while the standards for clothes dryers are expected to use 40% less energy. Compliance is expected to be required from March 1, 2028.
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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/energy-and-environment/2897155/energy-department-finalizes-efficiency-standards-washers-dryers/
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The clothes washer standards are expected to allow for between 9%-11% in energy savings and 17%-28% in water savings, while the standards for clothes dryers are expected to use 40% less energy. Compliance is expected to be required from March 1, 2028.
Fact is, complying with these standards will double Energy and water use. Clothes wont get clean and you will have to wash them twice. Just like Low flow terlets and shower heads. To wash a turd down takes two flushes and in the shower you stay in longer to get clean.
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:chairbang: Does that mean we have 4 years in which to buy washers and dryers that actually work? :chairbang:
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:chairbang: Does that mean we have 4 years in which to buy washers and dryers that actually work? :chairbang:
Those days are long gone, methinks.
I remember when my grandparents built their house (in 1973). Grandma got a brand new washer/dryer set. I think it was Maytag. Could have been Kenmore. Goldenrod color. The set lasted the entire 25 years that they lived in the house.
I’m lucky if I get 3-5 years out of my energy-efficient washer.
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Our future washing machines if the Biden maladministration has its way (https://i.imgur.com/f9XROR6.jpeg)
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Fact is, complying with these standards will double Energy and water use. Clothes wont get clean and you will have to wash them twice. Just like Low flow terlets and shower heads. To wash a turd down takes two flushes and in the shower you stay in longer to get clean.
Yup. I was just thinking, "Oh, goody, we're going to have British-style clothes-dryers that don't actually dry your clothes in one cycle from now on."
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Fact is, complying with these standards will double Energy and water use. Clothes wont get clean and you will have to wash them twice. Just like Low flow terlets and shower heads. To wash a turd down takes two flushes and in the shower you stay in longer to get clean.
*FACTS* People who design this shit don't think about folks who work for a living. My whole life my standard at the end of the day would be to come in so dirty or greasy or covered in shit that the old lady wouldn't even let me in the house. Many's the time that the 'first wash' was by her hand, out in the yard, with the garden hose.
I have a matched set of Kenmores, Large capacity/Heavy Duty, with mechanical controls. They'll do whatever I throw at em. They'll wash a comforter. They'll wash a horse blanket. I've thrown the dog beds through, many a time. Not to mention enough water in em to float out all the grime in my own clothes.
Try all that with your low-flow POS.
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Our future washing machines if the Biden maladministration has its way (https://i.imgur.com/f9XROR6.jpeg)
I still have one of them...
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I still have one of them...
I still have memories of my friggin brother running my fingers through the ringer 9999hair out0000
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I still have memories of my friggin brother running my fingers through the ringer 9999hair out0000
LOL! I did that... To my brother, I mean. Sisters were generally too wise... And I done it to myself by accident more than once too... :whistle:
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Our future washing machines if the Biden maladministration has its way (https://i.imgur.com/f9XROR6.jpeg)
My aunt had one of those sans the apparatus at the side. She turned the wringer by hand. It was considered high tech at the time.
Myself, I had a set of Whirlpool that lasted 35 years. When the washer died I sprung the extra bucks and bought a set of Speed Queens. Best $$ I ever spent and the Government will have to Come And Get Them from my cold, dead hands, lol :laugh:
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My aunt had one of those sans the apparatus at the side. She turned the wringer by hand. It was considered high tech at the time.
Myself, I had a set of Whirlpool that lasted 35 years. When the washer died I sprung the extra bucks and bought a set of Speed Queens. Best $$ I ever spent and the Government will have to Come And Get Them from my cold, dead hands, lol :laugh:
That's right. I'll stand corrected... Them ones I have ain't Kenmores. They're Speed Queen. And I feel the same way. Bulletproof.
And I have a hand-crank wringer that clamps onto a board... I take it it was supposed to be clamped to a table top or something... But I have a board for it that I can wire upright to a tree... Been a camp feature for most of my life.
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Just one more leftist regulation for Mr. Trump to repeal if he wins in November...
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Our future washing machines if the Biden maladministration has its way (https://i.imgur.com/f9XROR6.jpeg)
Pedal faster, it'll work...
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That's right. I'll stand corrected... Them ones I have ain't Kenmores. They're Speed Queen. And I feel the same way. Bulletproof.
And I have a hand-crank wringer that clamps onto a board... I take it it was supposed to be clamped to a table top or something... But I have a board for it that I can wire upright to a tree... Been a camp feature for most of my life.
I have an old Amana electric dryer. As long as I can get parts, it will keep going, and I have fixed it a few times over the years. The Washer is getting up in miles, too, but so far has been great. I got them after we decided to get rid of the Whirlpool Duet pair we had, which ground up clothes and had nothing but issues (and didn't get the surviving clothes clean, either).
Worse come to worse, I have a dual sink tin wash tub and a couple of washboards. I'll go old school if I have to, and I can put up more clothesline.
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Worse come to worse, I have a dual sink tin wash tub and a couple of washboards. I'll go old school if I have to, and I can put up more clothesline.
Yeah... It's the waiting for spring for em to all thaw out on the line that's a bother :laugh:
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Those days are long gone, methinks.
I remember when my grandparents built their house (in 1973). Grandma got a brand new washer/dryer set. I think it was Maytag. Could have been Kenmore. Goldenrod color. The set lasted the entire 25 years that they lived in the house.
I’m lucky if I get 3-5 years out of my energy-efficient washer.
When we sold our house 5 years ago, it had a GE washer & dryer that were over 20 years old. This house we bought came with new appliances so I left the old ones behind. The new washer is a joke as far as energy and water conservation. The washer selects the amount of water to wash the load of clothes in -- seriously -- first time I used it, I had to rinse them twice. The water level that is automatically selected doesn't cover the clothes. So now I use the 'max fill' option, which on the shortest setting takes over an hour. An hour of electricity to run the darn thing and filling up the tub all the way with water. So, you don't save squat. I liked the old washer that had water level options - low - med and full. The dryer is ok -- but to dry a full load still takes around an hour. I don't consider the new 'energy efficient' washer or dryer energy efficient at all.
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Yeah... It's the waiting for spring for em to all thaw out on the line that's a bother :laugh:
I'll wash mine down at the creek and slap them dry on the rocks.
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I'll wash mine down at the creek and slap them dry on the rocks.
If you wash em while you still got em on, that counts for a bath... But you better keep movin in the winter.
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So ... this is all to cut down carbon emissions and save energy?? What a crock of crappola. You watch, they will have some type of meter on them and the gov't will only allow you to use so much energy or water per household/person.
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I'll wash mine down at the creek and slap them dry on the rocks.
When we first moved to FL, we only purchased a washer in our first home as I thought it wouldn't be a problem to dry them on a clothesline. :laugh: I never realized that drying clothes in the humidity would take so long and then the rainy season hit -- nope -- it doesn't do much good to try to dry clothes in the rain.
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Yeah... It's the waiting for spring for em to all thaw out on the line that's a bother :laugh:
In a normal winter, they'd freeze-dry in a day or so.
It is, but I have a basement, and can string them up in there. Besides, they'd double as a humidifier. :laugh: Make lemonade...
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So ... this is all to cut down carbon emissions and save energy?? What a crock of crappola. You watch, they will have some type of meter on them and the gov't will only allow you to use so much energy or water per household/person.
I'm big, I'm hairy. If they don't want to confront that in its smelly, unwashed glory, they will let me be the judge of how much I need. (No low flow showerheads here!)
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When we first moved to FL, we only purchased a washer in our first home as I thought it wouldn't be a problem to dry them on a clothesline. :laugh: I never realized that drying clothes in the humidity would take so long and then the rainy season hit -- nope -- it doesn't do much good to try to dry clothes in the rain.
Up in camp we'd stretch ridge line, fly a tarp over it and build a big fire as close as you dare.
Hang em up in there to dry.
You could always tell the greenhorns, cuz they'd burn down all their clothes.
That's funny as hell.
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When we sold our house 5 years ago, it had a GE washer & dryer that were over 20 years old. This house we bought came with new appliances so I left the old ones behind. The new washer is a joke as far as energy and water conservation. The washer selects the amount of water to wash the load of clothes in -- seriously -- first time I used it, I had to rinse them twice. The water level that is automatically selected doesn't cover the clothes. So now I use the 'max fill' option, which on the shortest setting takes over an hour. An hour of electricity to run the darn thing and filling up the tub all the way with water. So, you don't save squat. I liked the old washer that had water level options - low - med and full. The dryer is ok -- but to dry a full load still takes around an hour. I don't consider the new 'energy efficient' washer or dryer energy efficient at all.
I visited my folks for a while and they have one of those washers. It took three times as long to wash a load of clothes, and, well, I missed my washer back home.
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(No low flow showerheads here!)
I have one... works fine since I drilled it out. It's the low-flow toilet I can't get around. Might as well poop out the window. It'd be less trouble. :laugh:
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I have one... works fine since I drilled it out. It's the low-flow toilet I can't get around. Might as well poop out the window. It'd be less trouble. :laugh:
Yeah, my showerheads were acquainted with the 3/8 drill bit, too.
Now, that window thing would get counterproductively chilly, especially if the wind was wrong...
Not to mention the flies when the weather was nice.
So, flush twice, it's a long way to DC!
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Yeah, my showerheads were acquainted with the 3/8 drill bit, too.
Now, that window thing would get counterproductively chilly, especially if the wind was wrong...
Not to mention the flies when the weather was nice.
So, flush twice, it's a long way to DC!
I'm alright with composting toilets. Had a composting outhouse for a while... Had a bin you could get at with the forks on the tractor. That's how you do it. One big flush onto the compost heap Bury it up and you're good for another 3 or 4 months. No plumbing at all.
And you never have to move the outhouse, which is another whole thing... or hole thing...
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Just one more leftist regulation for Mr. Trump to repeal if he wins in November...
@Fishrrman
Serious question.
If anyone still making items like washing machines in the US now,or are we buying Chinese crap with America labels?
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I mean, I had occasion to use plunger now and then with the ol 5 gallon flush toilets. You can prolly imagine the troubles now... :whistle:
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I mean, I had occasion to use plunger now and then with the ol 5 gallon flush toilets. You can prolly imagine the troubles now... :whistle:
Well, for a short time when I first moved to AK, we had no toilet, so it was either use the outdoors or if it was too cold, use a bucket in the side room (filled it part way with snow or ice). No plunger needed. :laugh:
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Well, for a short time when I first moved to AK, we had no toilet, so it was either use the outdoors or if it was too cold, use a bucket in the side room (filled it part way with snow or ice). No plunger needed. :laugh:
Out house ain't so bad... We had styrofoam to sit on in the winter... You ain't gonna sit on the pot and read the paper or nothing, but not so bad...
Didn't ever use a thunder bucket much (though I have)... The womenfolk generally insisted on composting... you bed your work in pine chips as you go... Doesn't stink at all. And as far as hauling it off is concerned, it's a whole bunch more pleasant than dumping a thunder bucket.
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I didn't look up thread, but has anyone considered that our government just might have better things to do than tinker with the settings on our laundry machines?
At least stand shoulder to shoulder in the gaps at the border while they are making this stuff up.
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I didn't look up thread, but has anyone considered that our government just might have better things to do than tinker with the settings on our laundry machines?
At least stand shoulder to shoulder in the gaps at the border while they are making this stuff up.
Are you implying that it’s not their job to micromanage every minuscule thing in our lives? :pondering:
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Are you implying that it’s not their job to micromanage every minuscule thing in our lives? :pondering:
In a word, yes.
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Makes perfect sense. Spend $2,000 on new appliances so that you can save $10/mo. on your electric bill.
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Makes perfect sense. Spend $2,000 on new appliances so that you can save $10/mo. on your electric bill.
I'm not even so sure about that. Our washer is supposed to be energy efficient, but the wash cycles are at least an hour so I think in the long run electric bills will go up.
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I'm not even so sure about that. Our washer is supposed to be energy efficient, but the wash cycles are at least an hour so I think in the long run electric bills will go up.
All I know is the old top loader we replaced our 'energy efficient, water saving' washer with gets the clothes clean in one pass, and cleans more per load. Not only that, it hasn't sucked away any socks or ground up even one t-shirt.