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townhall
Kurt Schlichter
Posted: May 28, 2018 12:01 AM
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https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2018/05/28/real-conservatives-refuse-to-kneel-before-their-liberal-overlords-n2484875
There's a great scene in the movie Witness where a bunch of bullies start picking on some Amish farmers, and then they pick on Harrison Ford, who is sporting Extreme Mennonite drag. They knock off his straw hat, laugh at him, and then he beats the crap out of them.
The bullies are shocked, stunned, and bewildered. Why, he’s not supposed to fight back! Why, the Amish, they’re better than that! But Harrison’s not. As his buddy says, he’s from Ohio.
I am not better than that either. How about you?
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Conservatives in the abstract versus getting something done. It's easy to claim any belief when your claim is to the purest, pie-in-the-sky, ain't-gonna-happen version. Getting something done, moving in the right direction, is not so easy.
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Because today, being “better than that†means being willing to allow other people to control you by defining you, and the definition is always “a pushover.†You’re supposed to be “conservative,†our conservasuperiors tell us, and we must therefore rigidly adhere to their precious “conservative principles.†But these bear no resemblance to real principles, much less conservative ones.
Gosh, where have I head that before? The "conservative" position is to cave to the leftists. @INVAR, does that line sound familiar to you? :laugh: :police:
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townhall
Kurt Schlichter
Posted: May 28, 2018 12:01 AM
[excerpt]
https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2018/05/28/real-conservatives-refuse-to-kneel-before-their-liberal-overlords-n2484875 (https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2018/05/28/real-conservatives-refuse-to-kneel-before-their-liberal-overlords-n2484875)
There's a great scene in the movie Witness where a bunch of bullies start picking on some Amish farmers, and then they pick on Harrison Ford, who is sporting Extreme Mennonite drag. They knock off his straw hat, laugh at him, and then he beats the crap out of them.
The bullies are shocked, stunned, and bewildered. Why, he’s not supposed to fight back! Why, the Amish, they’re better than that! But Harrison’s not. As his buddy says, he’s from Ohio.
I am not better than that either. How about you?
I am not better either.
I am from Ohio.
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And we’ll leverage our political power to regulate the Twittfacegrams into submission if they keep trying to exclude us from participation in our own culture......
So to Kurt, using the a!mighty power of big government to force private business to bend to our will is 'conservative'? It is one thing for citizens to boycott and speak with their wallet, but in his screed, Kurt has become what he claims to oppose.
Big government in the right of left is still big government and the enemy of liberty.
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So to Kurt, using the a!mighty power of big government to force private business to bend to our will is 'conservative'? It is one thing for citizens to boycott and speak with their wallet, but in his screed, Kurt has become what he claims to oppose.
Big government in the right of left is still big government and the enemy of liberty.
Exactly. We must allow the liberals to run roughshod over us because that's the "conservative" approach, right?
You found a sentence or two you didn't like, but I think you missed the whole rest of the article somehow.
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So to Kurt, using the a!mighty power of big government to force private business to bend to our will is 'conservative'? It is one thing for citizens to boycott and speak with their wallet, but in his screed, Kurt has become what he claims to oppose.
Big government in the right of left is still big government and the enemy of liberty.
@AbaraXas
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The debate would be better served if we all would stop speaking about 'conservative' as if it were some abstract concept.
In the manner in which we select our leaders and the manner in which those leaders lead, I want strict adherence to the Constitution. Period.
Where this president does, he gets applause. Where he doesn't, he earns condemnation.
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Exactly. We must allow the liberals to run roughshod over us because that's the "conservative" approach, right?
You found a sentence or two you didn't like, but I think you missed the whole rest of the article somehow.
That one sentence is very telling and consists of 50% of the solution he proposed. His long rant up until one paragraph offered no 'how's just ranting like a freeper. When he gets to the 'so how', half of his solution involves acting like a big government liberal. No thanks. Usually when there is a big anger and hate filled rant, that is usually a red flag it won't end in a good way. It is an article to appeal to base emotion, not intellect. There usually a sign they don't want you to think, the author instead wants you to fire up emotionally so you follow without thinking.
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So to Kurt, using the a!mighty power of big government to force private business to bend to our will is 'conservative'? It is one thing for citizens to boycott and speak with their wallet, but in his screed, Kurt has become what he claims to oppose.
Big government in the right of left is still big government and the enemy of liberty.
You seem to have missed the point .... it's not about government, big or otherwise ...
We reject the bizarre notion that we are somehow obligated to stoically take guff from people who despise us without responding because doing so is “unconservative.†We decline to be commanded by conscientious objectors.
Here’s how we roll. When the enemy deploys its power against us, whether it’s some football jerk dissing us via Old Glory or some tech titan deciding to not allow us access to social media, we will fight back using whatever power we have. We’ll bankrupt the NFL before we just sit there watching them flip us off. And we’ll leverage our political power to regulate the Twittfacegrams into submission if they keep trying to exclude us from participation in our own culture. There is no conservative principle that requires you to not use your most effective weapon in your own self-defense. None.
“But that’s not conservative!†the sissies whimper.
https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2018/05/28/real-conservatives-refuse-to-kneel-before-their-liberal-overlords-n2484875
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"Real conservatives" are politically impotent and no two can work together. Who cares what they think.
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"Real conservatives" are politically impotent and no two can work together. Who cares what they think.
Exactly right.
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That one sentence is very telling and consists of 50% of the solution he proposed. His long rant up until one paragraph offered no 'how's just ranting like a freeper. When he gets to the 'so how', half of his solution involves acting like a big government liberal. No thanks. Usually when there is a big anger and hate filled rant, that is usually a red flag it won't end in a good way. It is an article to appeal to base emotion, not intellect. There usually a sign they don't want you to think, the author instead wants you to fire up emotionally so you follow without thinking.
Not gonna happen for me. In fact, I can only think of a few Briefers who believe that couple of sentences is a good idea.
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"Real conservatives" are politically impotent and no two can work together. Who cares what they think.
They still vote. Tell them to piss up a rope enough, you lose their votes, and there aren't enough "Pragmatics" to defeat the Dems. As impotent as you say "they" are, you will have doomed yourself to be equally impotent if you drive them away.
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What’s a “real conservative�
Whenever that phrase gets trotted out, I always hear echoes of the “no true Scotsman†logical fallacy.
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What’s a “real conservative�
Whenever that phrase gets trotted out, I always hear echoes of the “no true Scotsman†logical fallacy.
You and I agree on that. The only fellow on TBR who declares others "not real conservatives" is constantly advocating leftist positions. It's a tactical thing.
I'm going to Google the Scotsman thing. It will come in handy.
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What’s a “real conservative�
Whenever that phrase gets trotted out, I always hear echoes of the “no true Scotsman†logical fallacy.
We exist. Those who admire and adhere to thinkings of Coolidge, Goldwater, Buckley, and Reagan. And yes to earlier posts.... We are a dying breed, and will be lost as a balancing force of political direction. As we plunge deeper into fezdzlla debt hell (with no help from DJT) our country's demise becomes more and more evident. I have seen data that shows over 50% of the populous now suckles the left hind teat of entitlements. This can't be sustained forever.
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We exist. Those who admire and adhere to thinkings of Coolidge, Goldwater, Buckley, and Reagan. And yes to earlier posts.... We are a dying breed, and will be lost as a balancing force of political direction. As we plunge deeper into fezdzlla debt hell (with no help from DJT) our country's demise becomes more and more evident. I have seen data that shows over 50% of the populous now suckles the left hind teat of entitlements. This can't be sustained forever.
Definition, please.
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What’s a “real conservative�
Whenever that phrase gets trotted out, I always hear echoes of the “no true Scotsman†logical fallacy.
No true Scotsman would get trotted out. Or claim to not know that Schlichter referred to who call themselves the real conservatives.
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Seems to me that much of this argument comes down to whether or not you really see us righties as "at war" with the progressive left. Ever Trumps, especially those inclined to war imagery like Col. Schlicter, are wartime conservatives and have already declared the war is on and are easily able to rationalize ethical and moral problems in service to the greater good. Never Trumps are peacetime conservatives whose goal it is to maintain conservative principles as steadfastly as possible within the confines of a civilized society.
Short of something glaringly obvious like say a shooting war over the confiscation of guns it's hard for me to know what's right. It's pretty clear that the society is quickly becoming less civilized. A time for choosing may well be near. Until then, I'll just hang out and see how many variations of the "Ever-Never" argument can be had. The accompanying invective is sometimes funny.
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Definition, please.
Definition? Without seeming baited......
Anyone who supports near 100% of conservative positions and candidates of the same? Small Gov, Fiscal responsibility., Pro-life, Pro-2A, Pro-military, Pro- self reliance, etc.
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They still vote. Tell them to piss up a rope enough, you lose their votes, and there aren't enough "Pragmatics" to defeat the Dems. As impotent as you say "they" are, you will have doomed yourself to be equally impotent if you drive them away.
They be too late.
We have other plans.
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What’s a “real conservative�
Whenever that phrase gets trotted out, I always hear echoes of the “no true Scotsman†logical fallacy.
That's quite true in the sense that most attempts to define what is "conservatism" or what it means to be a "conservative" ultimately wind up being essentially self-referential, rather than universal.
There is in fact such a thing as "conservatism" and there are "conservatives" who seek to follow its principles, but what comprises those principles can and does change based upon time, place and the course of human events.
In our own time and place, conservatism can be understood to reflect a preference for ideas that have been tried and found to be true, as opposed to an automatic dissatisfaction with all current states, and a preference instead for novelty, dissent and the attempt to alter both nature and reality.
Conservatives may also be defined as those who reject the notion of human perfectibility; they understand the fundamental purpose of government to be one of promoting and protecting ordered liberty, and that of civil society to be the promotion of voluntary association in the service of social and cultural achievement.
Within that framework, conservatives can and do often differ on means, strategy, and even on desired outcomes for a wide variety of social and political issues. Such is the natural outcome of a belief in limited government and individual liberty, and it is not something to be feared or denied.
Only those who seek governmental control over wide swaths of human interaction - today, these are our "Progressives" - would prefer a social order where the collective rules the individual, where lockstep thought and action are seen as desirable, and where governments are empowered to enforce such rules in the service of a march toward an imagined - and imaginary - perfect society.
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Definition? Without seeming baited......
Anyone who supports near 100% of conservative positions and candidates of the same? Small Gov, Fiscal responsibility., Pro-life, Pro-2A, Pro-military, Pro- self reliance, etc.
I don't know what I am anymore but this best describes my positions
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The debate would be better served if we all would stop speaking about 'conservative' as if it were some abstract concept.
In the manner in which we select our leaders and the manner in which those leaders lead, I want strict adherence to the Constitution. Period.
Where this president does, he gets applause. Where he doesn't, he earns condemnation.
Obviously, it is an abstract concept to many.
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The debate would be better served if we all would stop speaking about 'conservative' as if it were some abstract concept.
In the manner in which we select our leaders and the manner in which those leaders lead, I want strict adherence to the Constitution. Period.
Where this president does, he gets applause. Where he doesn't, he earns condemnation.
:hands:
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Small Gov, Fiscal responsibility., Pro-life, Pro-2A, Pro-military, Pro- self reliance, etc.
What is funny is that now we are being lectured by the Trumplican Populists that those issues are 'losers' and "unrealistic" - while they also tell us that social issues are losers as well.
It's funny reading the knee jerk reaction to the proverb that says 'I will stand on principles, even if I stand alone' is now considered an evil by those who go batshit crazy that we will not march in lockstep with them and Trump.
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I don't know what I am anymore but this best describes my positions
You're really not allowed to be anything. Someone will come along and tell you why you're wrong. I don't care what the label is, I know what I believe and what I'm not willing to compromise on; those things listed by @catfish1957 . Those things aren't in gov't too much anymore, and I imagine never will be again. Not all in one package in any substantial numbers.
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You're really not allowed to be anything. Someone will come along and tell you why you're wrong. I don't care what the label is, I know what I believe and what I'm not willing to compromise on; those things listed by @catfish1957 . Those things aren't in gov't too much anymore, and I imagine never will be again. Not all in one package in any substantial numbers.
I know...it's hard finding a candidate who meets my expectations..but like you said I have to compromise more and more now.
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Definition? Without seeming baited......
Anyone who supports near 100% of conservative positions and candidates of the same? Small Gov, Fiscal responsibility., Pro-life, Pro-2A, Pro-military, Pro- self reliance, etc.
Those are Conservative
Pro-Constitution, Pro-God, Pro-liberty. Anti-Control. Conservative to me is dedication to the Republic that our Founders gave us. A thoughtful politicians that lets God and country direct His/Her actions. Not His/Her wallet or what they will get from lobbyists.
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What is funny is that now we are being lectured by the Trumplican Populists that those issues are 'losers' and "unrealistic" - while they also tell us that social issues are losers as well.
It's funny reading the knee jerk reaction to the proverb that 'I will stand on principles, even if I stand alone' is now considered an evil by those who go batshit crazy that we will not march in lockstep with them and Trump.
This article isn't about the President @INVAR
This article is taking to task "real" conservatives who do nothing BUT *stand* on principles. He's ridiculing the "real" conservative's inability to fight. He is saying it is they who kneel before their liberal overlords.
Here's how the author sees the difference between me, the "Trumplican Populist", and you . . . .
We reject the bizarre notion that we are somehow obligated to stoically take guff from people who despise us without responding because doing so is “unconservative.†We decline to be commanded by conscientious objectors.
Here’s how we roll. When the enemy deploys its power against us, whether it’s some football jerk dissing us via Old Glory or some tech titan deciding to not allow us access to social media, we will fight back using whatever power we have. We’ll bankrupt the NFL before we just sit there watching them flip us off. And we’ll leverage our political power to regulate the Twittfacegrams into submission if they keep trying to exclude us from participation in our own culture. There is no conservative principle that requires you to not use your most effective weapon in your own self-defense. None.
“But that’s not conservative!†the sissies whimper.
https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2018/05/28/real-conservatives-refuse-to-kneel-before-their-liberal-overlords-n2484875
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I think what Schlichter is saying, and I know I will be corrected if I'm wrong, is that conservatism has become synonymous with not fighting back while being sure that that position is the only true one. Schlichter says that Trump fights back, therefore his is the correct attitude.
I would disagree with Schlichter in that Trump is not a conservative (maybe out of ignorance and lack of exposure more than anything else), but do agree that fighting back is necessary, and even if Trump doesn't know the 9th Amendment from both Corinthians, he is at least fighting back and supporting a conservative agenda, even if he is doing so sort of instinctively and not because he understands conservatism. His bobbles and errors reveal the lack of depth of his understanding, but I do think he's learning and learning quickly.
Do I think he will ever become a true conservative? No, but he is fighting and moving the doomsday clock a bit back to the right. It's up to conservatives to take up the fight....if we really think it is worth fighting. If not, we can just stick to our keyboards and argue amongst ourselves as to who is the most orthodox and who are the heretics.
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They be too late.
We have other plans.
Which are?
Do you have hundreds of millions of dollars lined up/donated?
Do you have a slate of committed candidates (in sufficient numbers so their votes IF elected, are worth squat) ready to leap at the sound of the starter's pistol?
If not, how are you going to obtain them?
Because until you Do have that machine, . . . .
IF you make any serious start at building it
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_the_United_States
the only thing your plans might accomplish is another 8 years of the Next Obama or worse.
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Speaking as a Trumpervative, I have only this to add.........Trump is GOD!!!!!!
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This article isn't about the President @INVAR
Horseshit. This entire issue is the result of the endless justifications for why Conservatives should support Trump and why those who stand on principles and are not savvy on your prince are your number one enemy.
This article is taking to task "real" conservatives who do nothing BUT *stand* on principles.
We have read ad nauseum all the contempt you and the Left have for them. You - because you insist they lose elections and are a contemptuous burden that need too be discarded in order to 'win', the Left because those principles are an obstacle to what they seek to impose by force.
He's ridiculing the "real" conservative's inability to fight. He is saying it is they who kneel before their liberal overlords.
Right. Because you see here on this board all of us who are not Trumsplicans 'keeling before liberals'?
I find that statement fascinating after all the justifications you people have flung out there to intimidate support for a lifelong NYC liberal Democrat you wanted to make your standard bearer of Conservatism.
Here's how the author sees the difference between me, the "Trumplican Populist", and you . . . .
Unfortunately, Schlichter and party hacks are stuck on stupid. They think 'fighting back' means voting Republican and hiding behind their skirts to fight for them.
Of course to equate us with being sissies is a hoot, considering our resident Liberal Leftist thinks we are unhinged lawless wannabe terrorists when it comes to his gun control ideas and our reaction to them.
So you Trumsplicans think we're sissies - and Leftists think we're dangerous lawless terrorists.
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Which are?
To stop supporting a wholly corrupted and irredeemably perverted party system for starters, and to think outside the box constructed for you by those who have convinced you that you must choose one or the other to be your rulers.
The rest, is to not play by their rules and make plans for the preservation of your liberty.
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Horseshit. This entire issue is the result of the endless justifications for why Conservatives should support Trump and why those who stand on principles and are not savvy on your prince are your number one enemy.
We have read ad nauseum all the contempt you and the Left have for them. You - because you insist they lose elections and are a contemptuous burden that need too be discarded in order to 'win', the Left because those principles are an obstacle to what they seek to impose by force.
Right. Because you see here on this board all of us who are not Trumsplicans 'keeling before liberals'?
I find that statement fascinating after all the justifications you people have flung out there to intimidate support for a lifelong NYC liberal Democrat you wanted to make your standard bearer of Conservatism.
Unfortunately, Schlichter and party hacks are stuck on stupid. They think 'fighting back' means voting Republican and hiding behind their skirts to fight for them.
Of course to equate us with being sissies is a hoot, considering our resident Liberal Leftist thinks we are unhinged lawless wannabe terrorists when it comes to his gun control ideas and our reaction to them.
So you Trumsplicans think we're sissies - and Leftists think we're dangerous lawless terrorists.
Is gibberish now the official language of true conservatives? Just a guess, but this could be working against your message. :laugh:
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What is funny is that now we are being lectured by the Trumplican Populists that those issues are 'losers' and "unrealistic" - while they also tell us that social issues are losers as well.
It's funny reading the knee jerk reaction to the proverb that says 'I will stand on principles, even if I stand alone' is now considered an evil by those who go batshit crazy that we will not march in lockstep with them and Trump.
You're the one accusing others of going "batshit crazy" and insisting that Trumplican Populists insist you march lockstep with them.
WTF do you actually Have to Offer as an alternative?
IF whatever it is was Real you'd be too busy working with IT to have time to be here continually, nobly screaming that The Sky Is Falling.
Per Merriam-Webster, a major party has "electoral strength sufficient to permit it to win control of a government usually with comparative regularity and when defeated to constitute the principal opposition to the party in power."[3]. In the United States, only the Democratic and Republican parties meet this definition.
What do you Have that has you feeling so high and all mighty Superior to the rest of us who Also understand with Perfect Clarity that this current situation, as it is, sucks?
Since you're unwilling/unable to even Philosophically lend a shoulder to clean up the current paradigm, how do you expect to completely overturn it?
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Since you're unwilling/unable to even Philosophically lend a shoulder to clean up the current paradigm, how do you expect to completely overturn it?
Since Trumsplicans have largely rejected the principles we are governed by for whatever is convenient and pragmatic - you go your own way and figure it out for yourselves.
You people have already discarded, held in contempt or ridiculed the ideas and plans suggested and offered.
So we're done talking and we have other plans.
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They be too late.
We have other plans.
Thank you for coming. This is why I pinged you. You make the case I can only point at. If the "pragmatists" want to tell people to piss off, then they will lose just as surely as the people they openly scoff at.
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Since Trumsplicans have largely rejected the principles we are governed by for whatever is convenient and pragmatic - you go your own way and figure it out for yourselves.
You people have already discarded, held in contempt or ridiculed the ideas and plans suggested and offered.
I haven't seen you offer Anything beyond purple invective to pound home your dissatisfaction yet.
So we're done talking and we have other plans.
Refusing substantive questions while repeating that you have have Other plans so we're done talking, is not going to influence people to see it your way and join you.
Where do you expect to get the massive support you're going to need if not from here?
You certainly won't get it from Democrats.
WHAT, Are your other plans? Ideals, no matter how lofty, are not Plans.
Without huge voting support (big enough to defeat Both the Democrats AND the Republicans) you're left with an armed, violent insurrection/revolution, and the people you've kissed off will set the Police/National Guard on you.
There isn't anywhere near the political wisdom/education among the populace at large (if you accomplish change by force) to Not leave us all far worse off than we already are, warts and all.
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We exist. Those who admire and adhere to thinkings of Coolidge, Goldwater, Buckley, and Reagan. And yes to earlier posts.... We are a dying breed, and will be lost as a balancing force of political direction. As we plunge deeper into fezdzlla debt hell (with no help from DJT) our country's demise becomes more and more evident. I have seen data that shows over 50% of the populous now suckles the left hind teat of entitlements. This can't be sustained forever.
That's right. Every bit of it.
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Seems to me that much of this argument comes down to whether or not you really see us righties as "at war" with the progressive left. Ever Trumps, especially those inclined to war imagery like Col. Schlicter, are wartime conservatives and have already declared the war is on and are easily able to rationalize ethical and moral problems in service to the greater good.
In other words, 'the ends justify the means'...
Never Trumps are peacetime conservatives whose goal it is to maintain conservative principles as steadfastly as possible within the confines of a civilized society.
Not the ones here. Nearly to a man, I know them to be the hard core. I have fought with them long and hard, the last rendition being the TEA party, which had massive results.
The difference is that Conservatives fight for principles. Populists and pragmatists fight for their cause de jur, and for their glorious leader.
It's bad enough we have to fight the jackals and hyenas of the left... now we have to fight them on the moderate and liberal right too.
All of it, vanity and hot air. Bread and circuses. Without the principles of our founding, it is all done in vain.
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Since you're unwilling/unable to even Philosophically lend a shoulder to clean up the current paradigm, how do you expect to completely overturn it?
In what way does 'lending a shoulder' advance the Principles of Conservatism?
This is not Conservatism. Not by a long shot.
This is not fighting. This is flailing about in a drunken stupor.
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Thank you for coming. This is why I pinged you. You make the case I can only point at. If the "pragmatists" want to tell people to piss off, then they will lose just as surely as the people they openly scoff at.
I don't see how anyone can look at the results of the last presidential election and think there's a certain segment of the population, historically aligned with Republicans, that is no longer needed.
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[...] the people you've kissed off will set the Police/National Guard on you.
And btw, @To-Whose-Benefit? ... That is the predictable end, regardless.
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I don't see how anyone can look at the results of the last presidential election and think there's a certain segment of the population, historically aligned with Republicans, that is no longer needed.
Perzackly. I think some Trump supporters fail to realize a lot of people swallowed hard, and held their noses to vote Trump. I see many of that group deciding not to do so next time, simply because of the insults they continue to receive, even after casting their votes for the Chosen One. Instead of reaching out to make common cause to solidify support, they are actively throwing that support away. :shrug:
Meanwhile the Dems are careening even farther left. In 2020 we are very likely to see somebody even more liberal that Hillary win it all.
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In what way does 'lending a shoulder' advance the Principles of Conservatism?
This is not Conservatism. Not by a long shot.
This is not fighting. This is flailing about in a drunken stupor.
My Point is there is nothing to be gained in attempting to overthrow the Republican Party with a Pure Conservative Party. By lending a Philosophical shoulder I Mean, . . . . even if it's only words posted here, . . . . . Trying to reform the existing Party through replacing the moderate hacks in it.
This is not Conservatism. Not by a long shot.
This is not fighting. This is flailing about in a drunken stupor.
Not a bit different from continual 'flailing about in a drunken stupor' that's nothing more than "I'm Taking My Ball and Going Home because your Orange God sucks and You Trumplicans are too stupid to understand how stupid you are", . . . . . . without ever Going Home.
I did not vote for Trump to marry my daughter and I've had more than too much of this road apple that there's no difference between the Parties which shoved DJT and HRC at us, . . . . . as if that justifies "Follow Me, I Know The Way, or I'll rescue you all (except the Trumplicans of course), one more time with yet another empty I'm Taking My Ball".
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Perzackly.
What ever could you mean? Everyone knows it was the bigliest win in all of winning! A victory unrivaled in all of history! And oh, by the way, soooo much better than Reagan. *****rollingeyes*****
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And btw, @To-Whose-Benefit? ... That is the predictable end, regardless.
Right you are.
Only way I see of getting this problem dealt with is Firing as many Govt Myrmidons as we can.
It's got to be shrunk. By 90 t0 95%, . . . for starters.
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What ever could you mean? Everyone knows it was the bigliest win in all of winning! A victory unrivaled in all of history! And oh, by the way, soooo much better than Reagan. *****rollingeyes*****
Perzackly.
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Right you are.
Only way I see of getting this problem dealt with is Firing as many Govt Myrmidons as we can.
It's got to be shrunk. By 90 t0 95%, . . . for starters.
An idea I can get behind.
(You sent me to Google for "Myrmidons." Kudos!)
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My Point is there is nothing to be gained in attempting to overthrow the Republican Party with a Pure Conservative Party. By lending a Philosophical shoulder I Mean, . . . . even if it's only words posted here, . . . . . Trying to reform the existing Party through replacing the moderate hacks in it.
@To-Whose-Benefit?
There's nothing to be gained either way. Thirty years of doing what you suggest has given me nothing but knives in my back.
Not a bit different from continual 'flailing about in a drunken stupor' that's nothing more than "I'm Taking My Ball and Going Home because your Orange God sucks and You Trumplicans are too stupid to understand how stupid you are", . . . . . . without ever Going Home.
Oh, but I DID go home.
I did not vote for Trump to marry my daughter and I've had more than too much of this road apple that there's no difference between the Parties which shoved DJT and HRC at us, . . . . . as if that justifies "Follow Me, I Know The Way, or I'll rescue you all (except the Trumplicans of course), one more time with yet another empty I'm Taking My Ball".
I don't give a shit how you justify voting for Tump. I don't care at all.
I do care that this brand of populism is trying to abscond with the Conservative Mantle. And I will fight that with every drop of blood I have. Just as I did against Bushs' 'kinder gentler' and 'compassionate' form.
You have attached yourself to a movement that doesn't even know what Conservatism means, nor the basis of its principles. That you have done so, does not require the same from me.
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Right you are.
Only way I see of getting this problem dealt with is Firing as many Govt Myrmidons as we can.
It's got to be shrunk. By 90 t0 95%, . . . for starters.
And you intend to do that with a big spending NYC Liberal at the helm? Good luck.
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There's nothing to be gained either way. Thirty years of doing what you suggest has given me nothing but knives in my back.
Oh, but I DID go home.
I don't give a shit how you justify voting for Tump. I don't care at all.
I do care that this brand of populism is trying to abscond with the Conservative Mantle. And I will fight that with every drop of blood I have. Just as I did against Bushs' 'kinder gentler' and 'compassionate' form.
You have attached yourself to a movement that doesn't even know what Conservatism means, nor the basis of its principles. That you have done so, does not require the same from me.
I'm sensing you've read my sarc. as referring to you personally. It is not.
And yes, I've got more knives than I can count sticking out the back of my neck too from 40 years of this Gargantua of a Govt with it's damnable benevolence.
As for attaching myself to this movement, I'm not forgetting the NRA had to take POTUS to the woodshed and set him straight on gun control, or a host of other complaints with him. Porkulous? Appointing Woody Johnson as our Ambassador to the U.K.? That looked like a tit for tat with JNJ to get prescription drug prices lowered. Ain't happened. Ain't going to. He got played and we got played.
My blood's still a good 20 degrees colder than it should be.
What I'm attached to is Firing Govt workers bloodsuckers wholesale and I'm seeing a tiny, tiny bit of it. No where near enough but still more than we'd have got under Shrillary.
As for Fighting, we don't have a 3rd choice. It's done at the polls or it's done with arms.
And the 2nd option would be suicide, win or lose.
I do know what Conservatism is.
I also know what trying to lead an infantry platoon into 1945 Berlin Without Ike, Patton, and Bradley at my side would have accomplished.
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Refusing substantive questions while repeating that you have have Other plans so we're done talking, is not going to influence people to see it your way and join you.
I'm not interested in influencing avatars online to join me in what I am doing locally. And as I've said - no one on this board is going to be influencing anyone to change their positions on anything. So I'm not interested in tossing pearls just to have them trampled underfoot by those who have repeatedly told us that our positions and principles are losers, irrelevant and worse.
WHAT, Are your other plans? Ideals, no matter how lofty, are not Plans.
My plans are already being implemented. I bid you all the luck you'll need to continue practicing insanity to your heart's content within the confines of the box you've limited yourself to. I want nothing to do with the Trumplican Party or the Oligarchy it is part and parcel of. But you go right ahead and enjoy thinking you are making progress by doing the same thing over and over and over again.
Without huge voting support (big enough to defeat Both the Democrats AND the Republicans) you're left with an armed, violent insurrection/revolution, and the people you've kissed off will set the Police/National Guard on you.
Then let it come. Let's fight and get it over with.
My Point is there is nothing to be gained in attempting to overthrow the Republican Party with a Pure Conservative Party. By lending a Philosophical shoulder I Mean, . . . . even if it's only words posted here, . . . . . Trying to reform the existing Party through replacing the moderate hacks in it.
You are welcome to continue practicing insanity and ignore the rules changes made at the last two Conventions that eliminate any grassroots challenge on the national level and pretend your 'Philosophical shoulder' is not as despised by your party bosses and leaders as it is in the Democrat party.
None so blind and all that.
This is not fighting. This is flailing about in a drunken stupor.
Some of us spent the better part of 30 years in the trenches in hostile areas knocking on doors for your party and peoples - with nothing to show for it except being told to shut up, sit down, vote or get out of the party.
So - we're done. You are welcome to sail on the new Democrat Party running as Republicans boat and convince yourself that you can correct the course by voting for more of the same. Knock yourself out.
Not a bit different from continual 'flailing about in a drunken stupor' that's nothing more than "I'm Taking My Ball and Going Home
With luck the Trumplican party will be able to persuade a whole lot of liberals and moderate liberals and not-ready-for-full-Marxism Leftists to the GOP to grow their voting bloc. And you can go ahead and convince yourself that you are slowly moving your intrepid party to the right in imperceptible margins.
The rest of us took our balls and went where we think the principles that govern us are best served.
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The rest, is to not play by their rules and make plans for the preservation of your liberty.
@INVAR
You and I did that and continue to do it.
To others: Don't depend on government to save you, least of all Trump.
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@INVAR
You're not interested in influencing Avatars online.
Then why do you keep coming back here continually doing just that with ghost carrots about 'rescuing' True Conservatives with whatever you've got that's so super secret you don't dare let it out of the bag, much less crow about it to attract supporters?
If you really want to fight it out you'll need at least 10% of the population. Not to win but to Hope for a negotiated settlement. You got them lined up, signed up, armed with real weapons and trained up? Of course you don't or you'd already be in irons and the biggest media circus of the last 100 years. Those ghouls would love to have a right wing "extremist" with a Brigade strength militia training to overthrow the Govt.
The only way you'll survive even your 1st real fight is if the Guard or the Army chokes on the thought of massacring a bunch of idiots.
You have a plan. Everybody has a plan. And we're all here bitching to each other after they didn't work out.
Are you and your Fight It Out prepared to deal with just 1 Air National Guard A-10?
How about 1 Attack Copter?
With 1 Gun?
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Even if you somehow managed to assemble, train, and hide a half dozen Brigades you'd probably just be surrounded and starved into submission.
The people you're going to Fight It Out with do NOT have to engage you to defeat you, 100 out of 100 times.
And who are these people you're going to Fight It Out with?
The U.S. Military?
And you have the Unmitigated GALL to draw your Fight It Out line, here, on Memorial Day weekend?
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Conservatives in the abstract versus getting something done. It's easy to claim any belief when your claim is to the purest, pie-in-the-sky, ain't-gonna-happen version. Getting something done, moving in the right direction, is not so easy.
You have to get first downs to get to the goal line. Some people have their eyes on that 10 yards, some of us won't take our eyes off the goal line. As long as the former group doesn't forget that the first down is just a step along the way and not the goal, we can work together, but we will continue to remind all that the end zone is the real objective.
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@INVAR
You and I did that and continue to do it.
To others: Don't depend on government to save you, least of all Trump.
I can only count on one source for salvation. I count those people I completely trust on the toes of one hand, knowing full well there are few who will not sell their mothers for a crust of bread when things get tough. My clothes will be appropriately worn and baggy, and I can do 'scruffy' well enough and be comfortable with it after years of working in remote locations with primitive facilities. I have worked until my hands bled, gone a week without food, ad learned a fair amount of 'bush' medicine. There is always more to learn, and where I can, to teach. I may not live to see that need for those skills, but they can live on in others.
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Then why do you keep coming back here continually doing just that with ghost carrots about 'rescuing' True Conservatives with whatever you've got that's so super secret you don't dare let it out of the bag, much less crow about it to attract supporters?
What I do in the meat world is my business, but I will say that we have had much success locally in getting fed-up Conservatives out of the Republican Party.
I'm not leading anything - so I'm not in the business of accruing a following. I'm not interested in the chief seats. I prefer to wash feet.
If you really want to fight it out you'll need at least 10% of the population.
Wow, you went from saying I'm not influencing avatars online to suggesting that because I am not attracting supporters I want to raise an army to start an armed insurrection?
Really? You decided to gin that up out of thin air there pal?
Not to win but to Hope for a negotiated settlement.
If we ever reach a point of open conflict - I'm perfectly aware that history is not too kind to the remnant that attempts to hold onto what is being replaced by the hand of new government.
The only way you'll survive even your 1st real fight is if the Guard or the Army chokes on the thought of massacring a bunch of idiots.
If we've reached the point that applauding using the National Guard and the Army to massacre American citizens and laugh at 'them idiots' who refuse to comply with government tyranny- then I submit that death will be preferable to a life in chains to paraphrase Patrick Henry.
Or should we ridicule his sentiments too?
You have a plan. Everybody has a plan. And we're all here bitching to each other after they didn't work out.
My plans no longer involve enabling the existing Corruptocracy.
Are you and your Fight It Out prepared to deal with just 1 Air National Guard A-10?
If we are at that point, the question I have to answer is if I am prepared to accept subjugation to a government iron fist or accept a mass grave? History tends to teach us that those are usually the choices a people have when their government becomes despotic or when mass movements become ravenous bloodbaths.
The people you're going to Fight It Out with do NOT have to engage you to defeat you, 100 out of 100 times.
Do you think we are ignorant of what despotic regimes have done to their own people they intend to subjugate or eradicate?
And who are these people you're going to Fight It Out with?
The U.S. Military?
And you have the Unmitigated GALL to draw your Fight It Out line, here, on Memorial Day weekend?
No, that is something you have done all by yourself - out of thin air on this thread - simply because I no longer subscribe to the political solution you say I must be obeisant.
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I'm not interested in influencing avatars online to join me in what I am doing locally. And as I've said - no one on this board is going to be influencing anyone to change their positions on anything. So I'm not interested in tossing pearls just to have them trampled underfoot by those who have repeatedly told us that our positions and principles are losers, irrelevant and worse.
My plans are already being implemented. I bid you all the luck you'll need to continue practicing insanity to your heart's content within the confines of the box you've limited yourself to. I want nothing to do with the Trumplican Party or the Oligarchy it is part and parcel of. But you go right ahead and enjoy thinking you are making progress by doing the same thing over and over and over again.
Then let it come. Let's fight and get it over with.
You are welcome to continue practicing insanity and ignore the rules changes made at the last two Conventions that eliminate any grassroots challenge on the national level and pretend your 'Philosophical shoulder' is not as despised by your party bosses and leaders as it is in the Democrat party.
None so blind and all that.
Some of us spent the better part of 30 years in the trenches in hostile areas knocking on doors for your party and peoples - with nothing to show for it except being told to shut up, sit down, vote or get out of the party.
So - we're done. You are welcome to sail on the new Democrat Party running as Republicans boat and convince yourself that you can correct the course by voting for more of the same. Knock yourself out.
With luck the Trumplican party will be able to persuade a whole lot of liberals and moderate liberals and not-ready-for-full-Marxism Leftists to the GOP to grow their voting bloc. And you can go ahead and convince yourself that you are slowly moving your intrepid party to the right in imperceptible margins.
The rest of us took our balls and went where we think the principles that govern us are best served.
Your words, not mine.
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@INVAR
"I submit that death will be preferable to a life in chains to paraphrase Patrick Henry.
Or should we ridicule his sentiments too?"
Your Words, not mine.
Henry refused to attend the Constitutional Convention because he felt that even that much Govt was anathema to Liberty, . . . . this, at a time when George III had walked away from subjugating the colonies because Washinton et all had made it more expensive for him than he thought they were worth. Washington had not won a conclusive victory. He did not Subjugate and Occupy England.
The Colonies were flat broke, tired of war, and wide open to being invaded, conquered and subjugated by other European powers.
Henry's sentiments are a red herring in this thread.
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Your words, not mine.
To be fair, you were the one that said you would set the National Guard on him, so...
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I'm sensing you've read my sarc. as referring to you personally. It is not.
@To-Whose-Benefit?
I am not prone to taking things personally... But neither shall I be blind to my inclusion in the aggregate. I agree with my fellows.
And yes, I've got more knives than I can count sticking out the back of my neck too from 40 years of this Gargantua of a Govt with it's damnable benevolence.
Show me ~ONE~ lasting win for Conservatism in my lifetime. Just one. You cannot. A record that bad is not by luck. It is by design. Republicans are no friends to Conservatives.
What I'm attached to is Firing Govt workers bloodsuckers wholesale and I'm seeing a tiny, tiny bit of it. No where near enough but still more than we'd have got under Shrillary.
Riiiiight. Everybody is leaping for joy because he turned the handle open on a garden hose to drain the swamp... Nevermind the 3T$ firehose he turned on that's filling the swamp.
As for Fighting, we don't have a 3rd choice. It's done at the polls or it's done with arms.
And the 2nd option would be suicide, win or lose.
Well it ain't gonna be any better tomorrow.
I do know what Conservatism is.
Well rounded too, with a hard bend toward civil-libertarianism.
I also know what trying to lead an infantry platoon into 1945 Berlin Without Ike, Patton, and Bradley at my side would have accomplished.
Then our doom is already before us. May your chains rest lightly on your shoulders. I will be going another way.
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Anyone who thinks a civil war or armed insurrection will result in a return to our Constitutional Republic is someone who needs to read more history.
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History proved Washington to be correct and Henry to be wrong.
A weak and broke, deep in debt Confederation of Colonies
Shay's Rebellion
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shays'_Rebellion
Shays' Rebellion was an armed uprising in Massachusetts (mostly in and around Springfield) during 1786 and 1787. Revolutionary War veteran Daniel Shays led four thousand rebels (called Shaysites) in an uprising against perceived economic and civil rights injustices. In 1787, the rebels marched on the United States' Armory at Springfield in an unsuccessful attempt to seize its weaponry and overthrow the government.
The rebellion took place in a political climate where reform of the country's governing document, the Articles of Confederation, was widely seen as necessary. The events of the rebellion served as a catalyst for the calling of the U.S. Constitutional Convention and ultimately the shape of the new government.[1]
The shock of Shays' Rebellion drew retired General George Washington back into public life, leading to his two terms as the United States' first President.[1] The exact nature and consequence of the rebellion's influence on the content of the Constitution and the ratification debates continues to be a subject of historical discussion and debate.
Whiskey Rebellion
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whiskey_Rebellion
Then England, whom Washington had Not conclusively defeated but only driven off came back and burned the White House in 1814.
War of 1812
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_1812
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burning_of_Washington
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@To-Whose-Benefit?
Show me ~ONE~ lasting win for Conservatism in my lifetime. Just one. You cannot. A record that bad is not by luck. It is by design. Republicans are no friends to Conservatives.
Oh, palease get yourself out of the victim trap. If conservatism hasn't had one lasting win it's either because American voters don't want what "conservatism" is selling ~OR~ "conservatives" do a piss poor job of explaining their positions.
Spend some time figuring it out. I suspect the problem stems from a combination of both.
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Oh, palease get yourself out of the victim trap. If conservatism hasn't had one lasting win it's either because American voters don't want what "conservatism" is selling ~OR~ "conservatives" do a piss poor job of explaining their positions.
Spend some time figuring it out. I suspect the problem stems from a combination of both.
@Right_in_Virginia
piss poor would be an improvement.
As seen around here you aren't a "real" conservative if you've ever compromised on anything. The real ones tend to sit on their mountain tops looking down on everyone else in this Constitutional Republic.
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Oh, palease get yourself out of the victim trap. If conservatism hasn't had one lasting win it's either because American voters don't want what "conservatism" is selling ~OR~ "conservatives" do a piss poor job of explaining their positions.
Spend some time figuring it out. I suspect the problem stems from a combination of both.
@Right_in_Virginia
Pure bullshit. Every Republican platform since 1980 has been more or less the same - and catered to Conservatives, in the main. And every one of those mealy-mouthed bastards goes full-on Conservative when they come home to campaign.
The difference between Democrats and Republicans is that Democrats actually do what they say they are going to do - They serve their base.
Upthread I asked for ~ONE~ single, lasting victory that the Republicans delivered to Conservatives. Just one in my lifetime.
Now think of all the gains made by liberals as delivered by the Democrats.
Liberalism isn't winning on it's merit. It is winning because it has no opposition. You think on that and figure it out.
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Your words, not mine.
And why exactly did I write those words there pal?
Because YOU SAID: Without huge voting support (big enough to defeat Both the Democrats AND the Republicans) you're left with an armed, violent insurrection/revolution, and the people you've kissed off will set the Police/National Guard on you.
To which I replied, 'Then let it come. Let's fight and get it over with'.
You're the guy who introduced into this discussion, using the military to massacre civvies who do not vote correctly.
If we have arrived at that place where using A-10s and tanks to massacre those who do not vote correctly - then obviously that is a sign of what time it is.
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And why exactly did I write those words there pal?
Because YOU SAID:
To which I replied, 'Then let it come. Let's fight and get it over with'.
You're the guy who introduced into this discussion, using the military to massacre civvies who do not vote correctly.
If we have arrived at that place where using A-10s and tanks to massacre those who do not vote correctly - then obviously that is a sign of what time it is.
And how many vociferously hostile scatalogical references have you previously invoked against this POTUS, defacto implying that those who find anything to recommend him are no better?
I've asked you more than once to enlighten us about your Master Plan. No specifics yet but crowing about helping/taking/leading Conservatives out of the Republican Party. If that's it, . . . . . .
What type of True Conservatism are you going Fight for through increasing the Democrats odds of winning elections?
If that reduces me to your label of a "Trumsplican" (A term I can't even find a definition of at the Online Slang Dictionary) that's your prerogative.
"Dread To Tread"?
If I changed my Borgnine avatar to this:
(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/67/1d/4d/671d4d0d926f6e05765a37378b3f9ec1.jpg)
and my cant towards "Bring It On You Pieces of ^^^^" would that make me a 'True Conservative' in your estimation?
Would that cement my Bona Fides as someone who even has any Idea of what Conservative or Civil Libertarian means?
THIS is all your 3rd way is going to get you and the True Conservatives you've 'rescued'.
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(Edmond O'Brien's screed at the end)
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@Right_in_Virginia
Pure bullshit. Every Republican platform since 1980 has been more or less the same - and catered to Conservatives, in the main. And every one of those mealy-mouthed bastards goes full-on Conservative when they come home to campaign.
Liberalism isn't winning on it's merit. It is winning because it has no opposition. You think on that and figure it out.
Because conservatives would rather fight amongst themselves. They won't accept a partial win, or anything which moves the ball incrementally in their favor. No, it must be a grand slam or its not worth supporting.
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Because conservatives would rather fight amongst themselves. They won't accept a partial win, or anything which moves the ball incrementally in their favor. No, it must be a grand slam or its not worth supporting.
NO! You've won NOTHING. NOTHING in better than THIRTY YEARS. There has been no incremental ANYTHING. There has been N-O-T-H-I-N-G.
But you'll giggle like school girls and bend over for a NYC liberal who throws you a handful of EOs and $3T increase in spending. 9999hair out0000 *****rollingeyes*****
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NO! You've won NOTHING. NOTHING in better than THIRTY YEARS. There has been no incremental ANYTHING. There has been N-O-T-H-I-N-G.
But you'll giggle like school girls and bend over for a NYC liberal who throws you a handful of EOs and $3T increase in spending. 9999hair out0000 *****rollingeyes*****
@roamer_1
Right because if you can't have a partial win then you take your ball and go home. You don't even play the game. You make yourself politically irrelevant.
I'd say a massive reduction in govt regulations to be a good thing, even a win. A possible end to the Korean War, now thats a win. Even if its not final yet. Reigning in the EPA, IRS and other agencies. heck thats a win
meanwhile you are talking about giggling school girls. now thats just creepy
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And why exactly did I write those words there pal?
Because YOU SAID:
To which I replied, 'Then let it come. Let's fight and get it over with'.
You're the guy who introduced into this discussion, using the military to massacre civvies who do not vote correctly.
If we have arrived at that place where using A-10s and tanks to massacre those who do not vote correctly - then obviously that is a sign of what time it is.
@INVAR
@roamer_1
I gotta tell y'all I think it's hilarious that the people who say your opinions don't matter, care so much about what your opinion is.
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@roamer_1
Right because if you can't have a partial win then you take your ball and go home. You don't even play the game. You make yourself politically irrelevant.
@driftdiver
The GAME is what is politically irrelevant. Of course I go home. You are fighting for the opposition. I got no dog in this hunt.
I'd say a massive reduction in govt regulations to be a good thing, even a win.
What 'massive reduction'? Five hundred regulations in a field of how many? Not just tomes, but whole libraries of regulation. It's a pittance, hardly even worth mention...
Reigning in the EPA, IRS and other agencies. heck thats a win
HOW? All that you mentioned so far is gone like a puff of smoke in as little as two more years, and maybe less than that. How is that 'reigned in' AT ALL? It's but a momentary discomfiture.
A possible end to the Korean War, now thats a win. Even if its not final yet.
Not final yet? It's not even STARTED yet, and you count it as a win?
NOTHING has happened and you are already cheerleading with fanfare and ticker-tape, hailing the conquering hero.
What asinine pap.
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@driftdiver
The GAME is what is politically irrelevant. Of course I go home. You are fighting for the opposition. I got no dog in this hunt.
What 'massive reduction'? Five hundred regulations in a field of how many? Not just tomes, but whole libraries of regulation. It's a pittance, hardly even worth mention...
HOW? All that you mentioned so far is gone like a puff of smoke in as little as two more years, and maybe less than that. How is that 'reigned in' AT ALL? It's but a momentary discomfiture.
Not final yet? It's not even STARTED yet, and you count it as a win?
NOTHING has happened and you are already cheerleading with fanfare and ticker-tape, hailing the conquering hero.
What asinine pap.
And THAT folks is a great example of irrelevancy
Its also a great example of what turns off many people to conservatism. Because if conservatives are like that guy then I sure as heck don't want to be one of them nasty people.
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@INVAR
@roamer_1
I gotta tell y'all I think it's hilarious that the people who say your opinions don't matter, care so much about what your opinion is.
That and the fact that our 'irrelevance' is so annoying to them that they have to continually berate, ridicule and argue with us while demanding to know what 'our plans' are - which makes no sense at all when they previously stated that we are irrelevant and no better than Jihad Terrorists.
But somehow they continue to demand to know what our 'plans are'. We've told them we stopped practicing insanity and that we are no longer playing the game they have limited themselves to, and it drives them insane that we refuse to march in lockstep with them. So, obviously then we are enemies of the state and the same as Jihad terrorists.
It's gotten to the point that I see them as a bigger clear and present danger to my liberty than the leftists are.
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That and the fact that our 'irrelevance' is so annoying to them that they have to continually berate, ridicule and argue with us while demanding to know what 'our plans' are - which makes no sense at all when they previously stated that we are irrelevant and no better than Jihad Terrorists.
But somehow they continue to demand to know what our 'plans are'. We've told them we stopped practicing insanity and that we are no longer playing the game they have limited themselves to, and it drives them insane that we refuse to march in lockstep with them. So, obviously then we are enemies of the state and the same as Jihad terrorists.
It's gotten to the point that I see them as a bigger clear and present danger to my liberty than the leftists are.
Or they could just be nosy bastards.
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That and the fact that our 'irrelevance' is so annoying to them that they have to continually berate, ridicule and argue with us while demanding to know what 'our plans' are - which makes no sense at all when they previously stated that we are irrelevant and no better than Jihad Terrorists.
But somehow they continue to demand to know what our 'plans are'. We've told them we stopped practicing insanity and that we are no longer playing the game they have limited themselves to, and it drives them insane that we refuse to march in lockstep with them. So, obviously then we are enemies of the state and the same as Jihad terrorists.
It's gotten to the point that I see them as a bigger clear and present danger to my liberty than the leftists are.
If I want circular, evasive semantics, . . . .
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Now you're playing the victim card, . . . . you've laid all your pearls and we've just dismissed them, . . . . as the swine we are.
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And how many vociferously hostile scatalogical references have you previously invoked against this POTUS, defacto implying that those who find anything to recommend him are no better?
As an enemy of the state, and a Jihad Terrorist because I sound just like them for refusing to salute your leader as demanded and because bovine scatalogical references and Trump go together like peanut butter and jelly - the fact you are all upset about what I think says more about you than it does me.
I've asked you more than once to enlighten us about your Master Plan.
Since you've decided to accuse me of forming an army to start an armed insurrection, why would I engage you in a discussion about any plans of any kind that I may or may not have?
No specifics yet but crowing about helping/taking/leading Conservatives out of the Republican Party.
Yup.
What type of True Conservatism are you going Fight for through increasing the Democrats odds of winning elections?
Your party has done more to ensure that than anything I could muster on my own in three lifetimes.
"Bring It On You Pieces of ^^^^" would that make me a 'True Conservative' in your estimation?
I think it is clear that we do not remotely share the same definitions.
Would that cement my Bona Fides as someone who even has any Idea of what Conservative or Civil Libertarian means?
Why do you give a shit what I think about anything? I'm irrelevant, remember?
THIS is all your 3rd way is going to get you and the True Conservatives you've 'rescued'.
My, for someone who thinks we're so irrelevant - you certainly are all aflutter about what happens to us and what our master plans are.
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As an enemy of the state, and a Jihad Terrorist because I sound just like them for refusing to salute your leader as demanded and because bovine scatalogical references and Trump go together like peanut butter and jelly - the fact you are all upset about what I think says more about you than it does me.
Since you've decided to accuse me of forming an army to start an armed insurrection, why would I engage you in a discussion about any plans of any kind that I may or may not have?
Yup.
Your party has done more to ensure that than anything I could muster on my own in three lifetimes.
I think it is clear that we do not remotely share the same definitions.
Why do you give a shit what I think about anything? I'm irrelevant, remember?
My, for someone who thinks we're so irrelevant - you certainly are all aflutter about what happens to us and what our master plans are.
My, my, but aren't we in a petulant mood today, . . . .
! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHDq1ehz_cg#)
Sooper Sekret Plans and all.
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@Right_in_Virginia
Pure bullshit. Every Republican platform since 1980 has been more or less the same - and catered to Conservatives Now think of all the gains made by liberals as delivered by the Democrats.
You're doing a very poor job of defining what you mean by conservative and .... now this is important, so listen up .... how conservatism can influence the lives of Americans (presumably for the better).
You're got to mingle with, speak with and convince the great unwashed that your way is better---- not as a philosophy but as a way of life.
I suggest you get busy, this window is closing.
@roamer_1
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My, my, but aren't we in a petulant mood today, . . . .
Sooper Sekret Plans and all.
What was it you were saying about circular, evasive semantics?
I guess posting Youtube clips of flop movies no one has ever seen is somehow cogent to the discussion?
I guess you missed the part where I predicated my question citing the fact you decided to accuse me of raising an army to start an armed insurrection and going up against A-10s and the like? You know - the bullshit you yanked out of thin air to fill whatever label you are attempting to smear me with?
Why in the hell would you assume we would share a damned thing with the likes of you after that?
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As an enemy of the state, and a Jihad Terrorist because I sound just like them for refusing to salute your leader as demanded and because bovine scatalogical references and Trump go together like peanut butter and jelly - the fact you are all upset about what I think says more about you than it does me.
Since you've decided to accuse me of forming an army to start an armed insurrection, why would I engage you in a discussion about any plans of any kind that I may or may not have?
Yup.
Your party has done more to ensure that than anything I could muster on my own in three lifetimes.
I think it is clear that we do not remotely share the same definitions.
Why do you give a shit what I think about anything? I'm irrelevant, remember?
My, for someone who thinks we're so irrelevant - you certainly are all aflutter about what happens to us and what our master plans are.
@INVAR
Yes
Advocating for the violent overthrow of the current government does indeed make you an enemy of the State. Its been that way for over 200 years.
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@INVAR
@roamer_1
I gotta tell y'all I think it's hilarious that the people who say your opinions don't matter, care so much about what your opinion is.
@RoosGirl
I just want a decent sammich.
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What was it you were saying about circular, evasive semantics?
I guess posting Youtube clips of flop movies no one has ever seen is somehow cogent to the discussion?
I guess you missed the part where I predicated my question citing the fact you decided to accuse me of raising an army to start an armed insurrection and going up against A-10s and the like? You know - the bullshit you yanked out of thin air to fill whatever label you are attempting to smear me with?
Why in the hell would you assume we would share a damned thing with the likes of you after that?
@INVAR Who are these "we" people you speak of so often ... do we have a moral obligation to contact the FBI? :pondering:
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@RoosGirl
I just want a decent sammich.
Ask @RoosGirl to make you one. She's very friendly about these things.
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Ask @RoosGirl to make you one. She's very friendly about these things.
He asked for one before and I explained to him that no sammich would help what ails him.
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You're doing a very poor job of defining what you mean by conservative and .... now this is important, so listen up .... how conservatism can influence the lives of Americans (presumably for the better).
You're got to mingle with, speak with and convince the great unwashed that your way is better---- not as a philosophy but as a way of life.
I suggest you get busy, this window is closing.
That will have to happen outside the parameters of your party, as they have rejected it wholesale in favor of Statism and a NYC liberal bulldozer whose sole talents seem to be limited to causing media fits and Leftist hysteria.
Who are these "we" people you speak of so often ... do we have a moral obligation to contact the FBI? :pondering:
@INVAR
Advocating for the violent overthrow of the current government does indeed make you an enemy of the State.
Where exactly have I done this? Care to post the actual quotations where I have advocating raising an army for the violent overthrow of the government?
Or will you just deem what TWB ascribed to me as something I actually said I was engaged in?
Tell you what people, why not get together and contact your Alphabet Pals and try to do the SWATTING thing if you seem so morally obligated to accuse a member here who does not support Trump for advocating the violent overthrow of the government?
Seems to be a new intimidation tactic you people are now having to resort to. Accusing me of being a terrorist just like the Taliban and raising an army to overthrow the government because I criticize your leader and refuse to salute fulfills my discernment about what you Trump fanatics really are. You truly are no different than the Marxist Leftists you pretend to oppose, and indeed you reveal yourselves to be the more pressing clear and present danger to our liberties than we have to fear from Leftists.
So if it makes you feel better about yourselves - report me to your Alphabet pals for this mythical armed insurrection TWB has accused me of doing to assuage your moral consciences. You know - going up against A-10s and helicopter gunships with mini-guns on them that TWB was so kind to post a video of, as some kind of intimidation tactic of what awaits me.
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Ask @RoosGirl to make you one. She's very friendly about these things.
She'll only make me a turd sammich. Just really disappointing
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Tell you what people, why not get together and contact your Alphabet Pals and try to do the SWATTING thing if you seem so morally obligated to accuse a member here who does not support Trump for advocating the violent overthrow of the government?
This has nothing to do with the President @INVAR You make veiled threats in almost all of your posts with constant references to "we" are doing something and now you've added references to violence.
Tell me why I shouldn't take you seriously.
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This has nothing to do with the President @INVAR You make veiled threats in almost all of your posts with constant references to "we" are doing something and now you've added references to violence.
Tell me why I shouldn't take you seriously.
Please post the quotes of these references to violence that I have made.
Or as I have said - you are resorting to SWATTING as a debate and intimidation tactic because like all tyrants you pretend to oppose - you are just fine using them on those you want to see punished.
Better yet, why not collect all of these supposed quotations I'v made advocating Taliban and terrorism to overthrow this government with violence and hand them over to the owner and mods and see what they might want to do about it?
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Please post the quotes of these references to violence that I have made.
Or as I have said - you are resorting to SWATTING as a debate and intimidation tactic because like all tyrants you pretend to oppose - you are just fine using them on those you want to see punished.
Better yet, why not collect all of these supposed quotations I'v made advocating Taliban and terrorism to overthrow this government with violence and hand them over to the owner and mods and see what they might want to do about it?
This is not a denial, @INVAR
A friendly suggestion for you: Tone down your rhetoric. If not for Briefers, then for visitors.
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This is not a denial, @INVAR
A friendly suggestion for you: Tone down your rhetoric.
You have no authority to tell me to do a damn thing here on this board lady.
Zero, zilch, nada.
You're less than nobody in terms of authority here.
But I will tell you this - If you are all morally concerned over what I post here and assert I am raising an army to violently overthrow the government - then PLEASE - find all these mythical quotes and statements I have made on this board that assert as much - and notify Nancy and the Mod Staff about them and see if you can get them to boot me off the board first, as I am sure that advocating an open armed insurrection against the government is something they do not want their board to be seen associated with.
So - get busy, and find all those quotes of mine that are terroristic, in league with the Taliban, are advocating I go up against A-10s and helicopter gunships and alert the owner and Mods to this nefarious behavior you Trump fanatics (or should I say Fascists) are so concerned about coming from me. I am sure Tom Sea, TWB, and the host of you Trump nuts will be more than willing to help you collate and list all my quotes and their urls to the threads in question for you to forward to the owner and staff here.
And then just think - you'll have what you need to forward to your pals in the FBI or whatever other Alphabet agents you want to send my way to make me shake in my boots.
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What was it you were saying about circular, evasive semantics?
I guess posting Youtube clips of flop movies no one has ever seen is somehow cogent to the discussion?
I guess you missed the part where I predicated my question citing the fact you decided to accuse me of raising an army to start an armed insurrection and going up against A-10s and the like? You know - the bullshit you yanked out of thin air to fill whatever label you are attempting to smear me with?
Why in the hell would you assume we would share a damned thing with the likes of you after that?
Ohhhh K.
I'm going to try Color Matching my replies to your assertions this time, . . . . since you seem to be eluding the essence of my arguments with a regularity that implies you don't Want to/Can't, cut to the chase.
Flop Movies No One Has Ever Seen.
Sam Peckinpah created today's Anti Hero with his masterpiece The Wild Bunch.
Snow White and the Huntsman? 2 A List female stars: Charlize Theron and Kristen Stewart, so unseen it warranted a sequel.
You are hiding from My predicate that for the type and size of the only change that would satisfy you out of your endless 5th grade scatalogical repetitions smearing opposing POVs here to happen, . . . . would require 1 of 2 possible methodologies, . . . . 1: Work within the system (which you won't do) 2: through force of arms (which you also won't do.)
You're the one claiming you want to Fight. Sword At The Ready, Dread To Tread and all.
I ask you how you propose to Fight, and you're too far above my limited intellect to be let in on your Secret.
True Conservatives are supposed to take it on faith, fall in behind you leading the parade, and beat march time on that big bass drum bearing the motto:
"Follow INVAR, He Knows The Way".
I have no need to smear you with a Label. Not with that 55 Gallon Drum full of resentments you keep ladling out.
Is your Plan Dropping Off The Grid?
Those nasty, stupid, vicious Trumsplicans will never find you, . . . . because You have a Plan.
Until you use a telephone, drive a car, use a bank, a credit card, . . . .
Nope, you and your Plan will just vanish Completely off the evil, brutish Trumsplicans Radar.
Maybe you could get Hillary's crew to scrub all those server connections you created coming here to TBR with bleach bit.
Although, . . . . . correct me if need be here, . . . . you claim to set quite a bit of store behind being a Christian, no?
How do you square that with insulting everyone else here who does Not subscribe to your Unknown Plan?
You know, the Big Plan?
The one I'm too stupid to comprehend?
The one I've been as tactfully as I can, pointing out, appears to be complete BS?
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Is your Plan Dropping Off The Grid?
Those nasty, stupid, vicious Trumsplicans will never find you, . . . . because You have a Plan.
Until you use a telephone, drive a car, use a bank, a credit card, . . . .
Nope, you and your Plan will just vanish Completely off the evil, brutish Trumsplicans Radar.
Maybe you could get Hillary's crew to scrub all those server connections you created coming here to TBR with bleach bit.
This cones across as threatening. Like you are telling everyone that agrees with Invar that they are going to be tracked down. Are you threatening people now? It sure seems like it.
See, two can play at that game.
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This cones across as threatening. Like you are telling everyone that agrees with Invar that they are going to be tracked down. Are you threatening people now? It sure seems like it.
See, two can play at that game.
English wasn't your strongest subject in school, was it?
Sarc. eludes you?
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Ohhhh K.
I'm going to try Color Matching my replies to your assertions this time, . . . . since you seem to be eluding the essence of my arguments with a regularity that implies you don't Want to/Can't, cut to the chase.
Flop Movies No One Has Ever Seen.
Sam Peckinpah created today's Anti Hero with his masterpiece The Wild Bunch.
Snow White and the Huntsman? 2 A List female stars: Charlize Theron and Kristen Stewart, so unseen it warranted a sequel.
You are hiding from My predicate that for the type and size of the only change that would satisfy you out of your endless 5th grade scatalogical repetitions smearing opposing POVs here to happen, . . . . would require 1 of 2 possible methodologies, . . . . 1: Work within the system (which you won't do) 2: through force of arms (which you also won't do.)
You're the one claiming you want to Fight. Sword At The Ready, Dread To Tread and all.
I ask you how you propose to Fight, and you're too far above my limited intellect to be let in on your Secret.
True Conservatives are supposed to take it on faith, fall in behind you leading the parade, and beat march time on that big bass drum bearing the motto:
"Follow INVAR, He Knows The Way".
I have no need to smear you with a Label. Not with that 55 Gallon Drum full of resentments you keep ladling out.
Is your Plan Dropping Off The Grid?
Those nasty, stupid, vicious Trumsplicans will never find you, . . . . because You have a Plan.
Until you use a telephone, drive a car, use a bank, a credit card, . . . .
Nope, you and your Plan will just vanish Completely off the evil, brutish Trumsplicans Radar.
Maybe you could get Hillary's crew to scrub all those server connections you created coming here to TBR with bleach bit.
Although, . . . . . correct me if need be here, . . . . you claim to set quite a bit of store behind being a Christian, no?
How do you square that with insulting everyone else here who does Not subscribe to your Unknown Plan?
You know, the Big Plan?
The one I'm too stupid to comprehend?
The one I've been as tactfully as I can, pointing out, appears to be complete BS?
@To-Whose-Benefit?
DAMN!!! That sure was fun to read.
LOL! :beer:
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English wasn't your strongest subject in school, was it?
Sarc. eludes you?
Yeah, I hate sarcasm.
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Nope, you and your Plan will just vanish Completely off the evil, brutish Trumsplicans Radar ...
How do you square that with insulting everyone else here who does Not subscribe to your Unknown Plan?
You know, the Big Plan?
The one I'm too stupid to comprehend?
It's just driving you absolutely batshit NUTS that I'm not playing your game and walking in lockstep with you isn't it?
I LOVE IT!
And yes, obviously you are too stupid to comprehend - which is why you have to say stupid shit like the above and assert that I am raising an army to violently overthrow the government so you can get your Trumplican pals to try your hand at SWATTING.
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Enough with the name calling. If your argument is so weak that is the only way you can make it, you might want to reconsider the whole argument.
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This cones across as threatening. Like you are telling everyone that agrees with Invar that they are going to be tracked down. Are you threatening people now? It sure seems like it.
And some people wonder why it is that I think that rabid Trumplican extremists are the greater and more direct clear and present danger to what remains of our liberties.
I'll keep a hotlink to this thread so they can see it for themselves and understand.
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Enough with the name calling. If your argument is so weak that is the only way you can make it, you might want to reconsider the whole argument.
What if your argument is rock solid and unimpeachable, but you want to add a little flourish. Can you drop a name call or two for color?
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What if your argument is rock solid and unimpeachable, but you want to add a little flourish. Can you drop a name call or two for color?
You need no added color, Frank. Flourishes are good, names not.
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There are a couple of colors I think Frank would look good in.
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There are a couple of colors I think Frank would look good in.
Shiny black latex?
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That and the fact that our 'irrelevance' is so annoying to them that they have to continually berate, ridicule and argue with us while demanding to know what 'our plans' are - which makes no sense at all when they previously stated that we are irrelevant and no better than Jihad Terrorists.
But somehow they continue to demand to know what our 'plans are'. We've told them we stopped practicing insanity and that we are no longer playing the game they have limited themselves to, and it drives them insane that we refuse to march in lockstep with them. So, obviously then we are enemies of the state and the same as Jihad terrorists.
It's gotten to the point that I see them as a bigger clear and present danger to my liberty than the leftists are.
Irrelevance sounds like the name of a movie, if you catch my drift :whistle:
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You're doing a very poor job of defining what you mean by conservative and .... now this is important, so listen up .... how conservatism can influence the lives of Americans (presumably for the better).
Nah. I don't need to do any damn thing @Right_in_Virginia . All I need to do is stop. And in that:
*not* generate a buttload of dough during the election season.
*not* participate organizationally in the GOTV, covering operational costs and transportation needs regionally.
*not* provide the conduit between people of faith in business and political organizations
Just stop, and I have already effected your bottom line politically, and probably far more than most all y'all. That is all I had to do, and that is what I have done. And I vow right here and now: Never again. Not for Republicans, and not for RTL. Faithless, feckless, betraying bastards.
I have retired from the field and will remain so, as far as you are concerned. I may gear up for the Constitution party, or for some Life oriented PAC, but if I do, it'll be none of your business, and certainly will not show you or yours any profit whatsoever.
As for the philosophy - I will continue to preach. But like my friend @INVAR ,to act as a witness against all y'all. To be sure that the tenets of Conservatism are preserved and in your face as you freely choose otherwise. I have ~zero~ faith in Republicans. And even less faith in your besotted movement, not to mention your dear leader, the Won.
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That and the fact that our 'irrelevance' is so annoying to them that they have to continually berate, ridicule and argue with us while demanding to know what 'our plans' are - which makes no sense at all when they previously stated that we are irrelevant and no better than Jihad Terrorists.
But somehow they continue to demand to know what our 'plans are'. We've told them we stopped practicing insanity and that we are no longer playing the game they have limited themselves to, and it drives them insane that we refuse to march in lockstep with them. So, obviously then we are enemies of the state and the same as Jihad terrorists.
It's gotten to the point that I see them as a bigger clear and present danger to my liberty than the leftists are.
@INVAR
Clear and present danger eh but no threat right?
America is a Constitutional Republic but anyone that disagrees with you is a "clear and present danger". Curious
Oh and your irrelevance doesn't bother me. I only worry about those who can influence the political system.
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@INVAR
Clear and present danger eh but no threat right?
America is a Constitutional Republic but anyone that disagrees with you is a "clear and present danger". Curious
Oh and your irrelevance doesn't bother me. I only worry about those who can influence the political system.
Amen, brother.
"Keep your eye upon the doughnut and not upon the hole."... (((wink)))
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Clear and present danger eh but no threat right?
Attempting intimidation to silence opposition by threatening to report TBR members to the feds over mythical accusations that I have secret plans to raise an army to do violent armed insurrection against your government, isn't a Clear and present danger to liberty in your book?
No, of course not. Obviously refusing to support Trump is a threat.
America is a Constitutional Republic but anyone that disagrees with you is a "clear and present danger". Curious
Oh I don't know - it was declared just this morning that I sound more like the Taliban or other terrorist enemies and say some of the same things they do. Your pal RiV said on this very thread that I should be reported to the FBI for my views and posts, so the concept of liberty is something Trump Fascists obviously have no regard for, even as they pay lip service to the Constitution.
Oh and your irrelevance doesn't bother me. I only worry about those who can influence the political system.
Couldn't prove that by the posts you guys continually make. I recall we were charged with helping the Left defeat Trump and voting for Hildabeast or sabotaging Trump's agenda because we do not support him vocally or dare to criticize him. Today we learn that my 'secret plans' are not just BS, but the equivalent of raising an army to overthrow the government by armed insurrection.
Obviously you turkeys are worried sick about what kind of influence people like me have, or you would not have spent the time you have attempting to ridicule and intimidate into silence.
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Nah. I don't need to do any damn thing @Right_in_Virginia . All I need to do is stop.
@roamer_1 If by this you mean you need to stop whining and complaining, well, then we agree on something! l'chaim :beer:
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@roamer_1 If by this you mean you need to stop whining and complaining, well, then we agree on something! l'chaim :beer:
More garbage posting by our head refuse officer at TBR.
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@roamer_1 If by this you mean you need to stop whining and complaining, well, then we agree on something! l'chaim :beer:
@Right_in_Virginia
Pardon me if I don't wish you luck with your national socialist dreams.
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Where exactly have I done this? Care to post the actual quotations where I have advocating raising an army for the violent overthrow of the government?
Tell you what people, why not get together and contact your Alphabet Pals and try to do the SWATTING thing if you seem so morally obligated to accuse a member here who does not support Trump for advocating the violent overthrow of the government?
Seems to be a new intimidation tactic you people are now having to resort to. Accusing me of being a terrorist just like the Taliban and raising an army to overthrow the government because I criticize your leader and refuse to salute fulfills my discernment about what you Trump fanatics really are. So if it makes you feel better about yourselves - report me to your Alphabet pals for this mythical armed insurrection TWB has accused me of doing to assuage your moral consciences. You know - going up against A-10s and helicopter gunships with mini-guns on them that TWB was so kind to post a video of, as some kind of intimidation tactic of what awaits me.
@INVAR
Atlas Shrugged: Who Is John Galt?
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@roamer_1 If by this you mean you need to stop whining and complaining, well, then we agree on something! l'chaim :beer:
That's right @roamer_1 , tough shit if you don't like the liberal crap the republicans and current POTUS are trying to get you to eat. You shut up and eat it, and if you know what's good for you you won't just eat it, you'll like it too.
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That's right @roamer_1 , tough shit if you don't like the liberal crap the republicans and current POTUS are trying to get you to eat. You shut up and eat it, and if you know what's good for you you won't just eat it, you'll like it too.
@RoosGirl
Eat yer damn peas!
:silly:
Not likely. *****rollingeyes*****
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@Right_in_Virginia
Pardon me if I don't wish you luck with your national socialist dreams.
You're very confused. :shrug:
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That's right @roamer_1 , tough shit if you don't like the liberal crap the republicans and current POTUS are trying to get you to eat. You shut up and eat it, and if you know what's good for you you won't just eat it, you'll like it too.
Ah, here's the problem ... you think lower taxes, a stronger military, secure borders, fair trade, constitutionalist judges, a pro-life agenda are all "crap".
Thanks, now I understand where you're coming from.
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I’m trying to understand why it is that ‘true’ liberals and ‘true’ conservatives, as a group, both see Trump as the devil?
My best guess? He must be doing something right.
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Ah, here's the problem ... you think lower taxes, a stronger military, secure borders, fair trade, constitutionalist judges, a pro-life agenda are all "crap".
Thanks, now I understand where you're coming from.
Whatevs, toots.
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Whatevs, toots.
LOL! I do love your compelling rebuttals. :laugh:
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LOL! I do love your compelling rebuttals. :laugh:
Why in the world would I bother? Things have been explained to you from "our" perspective innumerous times. You think I'm an idiot, I think you're an idiot and the world keeps spinning.
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LOL! I do love your compelling rebuttals. :laugh:
@Right_in_Virginia
Her rebuttals are even worse then her sandwiches.
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So when a person posts numerous veiled threats, references to 'other plans', references to violence and then says you are a "clear and present danger" to them. More of a danger in fact then leftists. How exactly is that to be taken?
Just on this thread a single poster has made the following statements. Despite the poster having edited several of his posts which may have removed even more. We've all seen much worse on other threads.
Reply #21
They be too late.
We have other plans.
Reply #35
They think 'fighting back' means voting Republican and hiding behind their skirts to fight for them.
Reply #36
The rest, is to not play by their rules and make plans for the preservation of your liberty.
Reply #39
So we're done talking and we have other plans.
Reply #56
My plans are already being implemented.
Then let it come. Let's fight and get it over with
Reply #61
If we ever reach a point of open conflict - I'm perfectly aware that history is not too kind to the remnant that attempts to hold onto what is being replaced by the hand of new government.
then I submit that death will be preferable to a life in chains to paraphrase Patrick Henry.
If we are at that point, the question I have to answer is if I am prepared to accept subjugation to a government iron fist or accept a mass grave? History tends to teach us that those are usually the choices a people have when their government becomes despotic or when mass movements become ravenous bloodbaths.
Reply #79
It's gotten to the point that I see them as a bigger clear and present danger to my liberty than the leftists are.
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@Right_in_Virginia
Her rebuttals are even worse then her sandwiches.
:laugh: @driftdiver
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Just on this thread a single poster has made the following statements. Despite the poster having edited several of his posts which may have removed even more.
Excuse you - any edits were for typos within a few seconds of posting. But you go ahead and think I went back to edit them for nefarious reasons.
We've all seen much worse on other threads.
Well, collate them and get them to the owner and the Mods. I am sure they do not want someone engaged in posting threats on their board. Go ahead, get busy.
Reply #21
They be too late.
We have other plans.
Oh yes.... such a THREATENING statement. Ought to make the average member quake in their boots with fear over the portents of what that statement might really mean.
Reply #35
They think 'fighting back' means voting Republican and hiding behind their skirts to fight for them.
THIS is a "threatening" post according to you?
You may be the biggest snowflake I've ever read on the internet.
Reply #36
The rest, is to not play by their rules and make plans for the preservation of your liberty.
Next, you might want to go look for all the posts where I support not only the Second Amendment, but also the right to keep and bear arms. Much more target rich environment for you to find all kinds of statements that you spin into threats to get me booted off the board and visited by Alphabets.
Reply #39
So we're done talking and we have other plans.
By now I guess you are shivering in a corner sucking on your thumb.
Reply #56
My plans are already being implemented.
Then let it come. Let's fight and get it over with[/quote]
Context much? Nah,doesn't fit the narrative you and the rest of the Trump fascists on the board are attempting to create.
Reply #61
If we ever reach a point of open conflict - I'm perfectly aware that history is not too kind to the remnant that attempts to hold onto what is being replaced by the hand of new government.
then I submit that death will be preferable to a life in chains to paraphrase Patrick Henry.
Like all good Marxists, posting quotes from the Founders or quoting the Declaration of Independence is now considered a THREAT by snowflake fascists like you and yours.
If we are at that point, the question I have to answer is if I am prepared to accept subjugation to a government iron fist or accept a mass grave? History tends to teach us that those are usually the choices a people have when their government becomes despotic or when mass movements become ravenous bloodbaths.
Yes, because noting history and human nature is also a threat by someone who sees a threat from everyone who does not march in lockstep with his worship of Trump.
Reply #79
It's gotten to the point that I see them as a bigger clear and present danger to my liberty than the leftists are.
I think this reply of yours and all the quotes you collated to suggest they are threats - is good prima facia evidence of the fact that you most certainly are once your goal is to intimidate into silence those you oppose.
Won't work with me buster. You'll have to get the owner and the mods to boot me off the board, and maybe do the SWATTING thing with the FBI or whatever other Alphabet agency are now your allies.
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Excuse you - any edits were for typos within a few seconds of posting. But you go ahead and think I went back to edit them for nefarious reasons.
@INVAR
Thats ok, the content with the edits is enough to prove the point. You made veiled threats and references to plans all the time. You have also shown you lack the integrity to take ownership of what you post.
No you choose to go on the attack and throw personal insults.
Wait, Trump does the same thing. You are emulating Trumps behavior. Now thats delicious irony.
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@INVAR
Thats ok, the content with the edits is enough to prove the point.
Then I am sure the owners and the Mods at TBR will be more that eager to recognize your unassailable evidence and boot me out of here for the well-being of the board, correct?
Have you PM'd Myst and the Mods yet top offer them all this evidence you have collated?
Have you and RiV called your pals at the FBI to warn them about me?
If not, what are you waiting for?
You made veiled threats and references to plans all the time.
Have you notified the owner and the Mods and called the FBI yet?
No you choose to go on the attack and throw personal insults.
Have you notified the Myst and the Mods yet?
Wait, Trump does the same thing. You are emulating Trumps behavior. Now thats delicious irony.
I don't use Twitter, so - you're wrong.
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Then I am sure the owners and the Mods at TBR will be more that eager to recognize your unassailable evidence and boot me out of here for the well-being of the board, correct?
Have you PM'd Myst and the Mods yet top offer them all this evidence you have collated?
Have you and RiV called your pals at the FBI to warn them about me?
If not, what are you waiting for?
Have you notified the owner and the Mods and called the FBI yet?
Have you notified the Myst and the Mods yet?
I don't use Twitter, so - you're wrong.
@INVAR
Well the FBI wouldn't do anything, heck they've proven that. As for anyone else, I'm sure you're already on their radar.
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Let's get back to reality here. No one is saying anything that would be of interest to the FBI (or most of the posters here) other than in a can't take my eyes off the gory accident kind of way.
If this sort of argument gets you so worked up that you make this kind of statement, maybe you need to go get a cup of coffee and chill for a bit.
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Let's get back to reality here. No one is saying anything that would be of interest to the FBI (or most of the posters here) other than in a can't take my eyes off the gory accident kind of way.
If this sort of argument gets you so worked up that you make this kind of statement, maybe you need to go get a cup of coffee and chill for a bit.
@MOD3 @mystery-ak
You must find my posts boring. You always call me boring.
You must also be ok with veiled threats of violence. oh well
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Let's get back to reality here. No one is saying anything that would be of interest to the FBI
@INVAR Who are these "we" people you speak of so often ... do we have a moral obligation to contact the FBI? :pondering:
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You're very confused. :shrug:
No, I am not confused at all.
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Topic locked.