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Rubio: Immigration Reform May Be Dead Till Obama Gone
Wednesday, January 29, 2014 02:27 PM
By: Melanie Batley
Sen. Marco Rubio suggested Wednesday that comprehensive immigration reform may have to wait until President Barack Obama leaves office because many lawmakers have little faith in the administration's willingness to enforce new immigration laws.
The Florida Republican, one of the chief architects of the Senate bipartisan immigration overhaul bill passed last year, also told reporters there is an emerging consensus on key provisions of legislation but lawmakers are still divided over proposals for a pathway to citizenship for the nation's 11 million undocumented immigrants.
"I don't know if it's going to happen this year; I don't know if it's going to happen with this administration," the freshman lawmaker said at a breakfast with reporters sponsored by The Wall Street Journal.
According to USA Today, Rubio said lawmakers will need to have confidence that any agreement will include the adequate enforcement of tighter security and border controls. At the moment. he said the lack of faith in the administration is a "real impediment" to achieving reform.
"I think it's a fundamental challenge right now," he said.
The senator cited the IRS scandal, the Benghazi controversy, and decisions involving the implementation of the Affordable Care Act as issues which have contributed to the loss of trust required to push immigration reform forward.
In his State of the Union Address on Tuesday, Obama renewed his call for Congress to "fix our broken immigration system," noting at the same time the progress made by the Senate but the House's failure to take the Senate bill move forward.
"Let's get immigration reform done this year. Let's get it done. It's time," he declared.
House Republicans led by Speaker John Boehner are preparing to unveil a major immigration initiative this week, which is expected to include strengthening border security, creating new visas for foreign workers, and a process for achieving legalization, but not necessarily citizenship for undocumented immigrants
Rubio said that while it is better to put in place a system for immigrants to become citizens, he is willing to discuss the anticipated House proposal that would establish a better pathway to legalization, according to The Hill.
"Do I think it's in the best interest of this country to have millions of people here who can never become Americans? I don't," he said. But he added, "Is that better than the status quo? Yes."
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God knows I hope it is!
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I'd be happy if they'd enforce the laws on the books.
And no, I'm not advocating mass deportations. Those people were lured here, many have made a life here, we're obligated to offer them a path to citizenship.
We are not obligated to continue to lure illegal immigrants, and ignore border crossings.
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I'd be happy if they'd enforce the laws on the books.
And until they do what makes anyone think they would enforce new ones?
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I'd be happy if they'd enforce the laws on the books.
And no, I'm not advocating mass deportations. Those people were lured here, many have made a life here, we're obligated to offer them a path to citizenship.
We are not obligated to continue to lure illegal immigrants, and ignore border crossings.
It's a simple concept so few seem capable of comprehending. No one is talking deportation. Just turn off the freebies to all but American Citizens here legally.
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It's a simple concept so few seem capable of comprehending. No one is talking deportation. Just turn off the freebies to all but American Citizens here legally.
THANK YOU!!!
Perfect summary. Why the hell the Republicans can't put it that simply is beyond me.
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It's a simple concept so few seem capable of comprehending. No one is talking deportation. Just turn off the freebies to all but American Citizens here legally.
What freebies are you talking about please?
No Social Security?
No Unemployment Insurance?
No Obamacare?
No food stamps?
No in state tuition?
No student aid?
If the now legal illegals are to receive no SS, UI, or medicare then I don't see how they can be forced to pay the payroll taxes deduced from their pay. I don't see how the businesses can be forced to pay their share of those taxes either. are these the "freebies?" cause a lot of illegals are already paying into those freebies.
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What freebies are you talking about please?
No Social Security?
No Unemployment Insurance?
No Obamacare?
No food stamps?
No in state tuition?
No student aid?
If the now legal illegals are to receive no SS, UI, or medicare then I don't see how they can be forced to pay the payroll taxes deduced from their pay. I don't see how the businesses can be forced to pay their share of those taxes either. are these the "freebies?" cause a lot of illegals are already paying into those freebies.
Glad you asked! How about 5 Billion in Earned income Credits? They pay no income taxes but get a free welfare check from the IRS. They get free schooling for their children and we have to hire special teachers because they cannot speak English. We have to build new schools. They get free treatment from emergency room hospitals that we all have to pay. Their anchor babies get Medicaid and they get money for their children. Their anchor babies get all the food stamps, SSI, etc. since they improperly are classified US citizens. According to the Heritage Foundation, the cost of a illegal family is approximately $14,000 per year to the US taxpayers. Do you still want to weep because they "may" not get the pittance that they pay in social security taxes?
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What freebies are you talking about please?
No Social Security?
No Unemployment Insurance?
No Obamacare?
No food stamps?
No in state tuition?
No student aid?
If the now legal illegals are to receive no SS, UI, or medicare then I don't see how they can be forced to pay the payroll taxes deduced from their pay. I don't see how the businesses can be forced to pay their share of those taxes either. are these the "freebies?" cause a lot of illegals are already paying into those freebies.
Everything you listed plus a lot more! I would make it illegal to hire, or in any other manner, provide aid and comfort to a felon of any type!
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Everything you listed plus a lot more! I would make it illegal to hire, or in any other manner, provide aid and comfort to a felon of any type!
I'd not go that far. If they have done their time, I'd hire them. Better they work than head back out to commit another crime. Don't see why they should be able to draw bennies though, until they have worked enough to have paid off the cost of their keep in prison.
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I'd not go that far. If they have done their time, I'd hire them. Better they work than head back out to commit another crime. Don't see why they should be able to draw bennies though, until they have worked enough to have paid off the cost of their keep in prison.
I agree! I should have used the word fugitive instead of felon. Sorry for the confusion
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Everything you listed plus a lot more! I would make it illegal to hire, or in any other manner, provide aid and comfort to a felon of any type!
So what would you do with all of those unemployed and permanently unemployable felons?? Should they just wander in the wilderness someplace until they die??? Maybe we should sentence them to death and harvest their healthy organs for the benefit of sick non felons???
Seriously...
:smokin:
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So what would you do with all of those unemployed and permanently unemployable felons?? Should they just wander in the wilderness someplace until they die??? Maybe we should sentence them to death and harvest their healthy organs for the benefit of sick non felons???
Seriously...
:smokin:
See my post right above this one! I was thinking fugitive but wrote felon and upon reflection even that is redundant as it already is illegal to give aid and comfort to a fugitive!
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I agree! I should have used the word fugitive instead of felon. Sorry for the confusion
Happens, brother! :beer:
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Glad you asked! How about 5 Billion in Earned income Credits? They pay no income taxes but get a free welfare check from the IRS. They get free schooling for their children and we have to hire special teachers because they cannot speak English. We have to build new schools. They get free treatment from emergency room hospitals that we all have to pay. Their anchor babies get Medicaid and they get money for their children. Their anchor babies get all the food stamps, SSI, etc. since they improperly are classified US citizens. According to the Heritage Foundation, the cost of a illegal family is approximately $14,000 per year to the US taxpayers. Do you still want to weep because they "may" not get the pittance that they pay in social security taxes?
I believe that it was Milton Friedman that pointed out that a large welfare state and open borders is a tidy recipe for disaster decades ago...
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I believe that it was Milton Friedman that pointed out that a large welfare state and open borders is a tidy recipe for disaster decades ago...
You are absolutely right!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=3eyJIbSgdSE#t=0
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I believe Rubio is a good Republican. A good opposition and alternative to the Democrats' agenda.
Therefore, my take ....the only thing that makes sense to me...is that the GOP is purposely putting it out to the public that "we're eager to assist in bringing about comprehensive immigration reform....aka amnesty for millions of illegal immigrants already here.
The reason?
They can drag this out without being portrayed as being "ANTI-IMMIGRANT" and all the negative connotations associated with that....all the way past the November mid-terms, where we're expected to control both Houses as we did back during Clinton's administration.
The REAL object is to castrate Barack Obama politically. can't do that without the Senate and House.
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I believe Rubio is a good Republican. A good opposition and alternative to the Democrats' agenda.
Therefore, my take ....the only thing that makes sense to me...is that the GOP is purposely putting it out to the public that "we're eager to assist in bringing about comprehensive immigration reform....aka amnesty for millions of illegal immigrants already here.
The reason?
They can drag this out without being portrayed as being "ANTI-IMMIGRANT" and all the negative connotations associated with that....all the way past the November mid-terms, where we're expected to control both Houses as we did back during Clinton's administration.
The REAL object is to castrate Barack Obama politically. can't do that without the Senate and House.
If it was any other party, I'd agree with you. It's a smart bit of calculation to take it off the table for the mid terms. With the GOP though ....
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If it was any other party, I'd agree with you. It's a smart bit of calculation to take it off the table for the mid terms. With the GOP though ....
Yep, I've seen nothing that would lead me to believe the GOP is that smart.
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You are absolutely right!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=3eyJIbSgdSE#t=0
Thank you for posting!!
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Thank you for posting!!
You are most welcome! :beer:
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Yep, I've seen nothing that would lead me to believe the GOP is that smart.
Not only are they not that smart they are supidly taking Obamacare off the map with this idiotic move.
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On Michael Savage's show this afternoon, he interviewed (rare) a Texas Congressman who is on the Committee that funds $$$.
He indicated that at the GOP meeting on the shores of the Maryland Eastern Shore Meeting, the "leadership" promised right out of the gate that they would not bring any immigration reform to a vote UNLESS they had a CLEAR majority of the House.
It reinforces my belief that this action about reform is all smoke and mirrors until we get control of the Congress.
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A recent Kaiser foundation poll found that 70% of immigrants want large government. they like the idea of wealth redistribution and a government safety net. 27% of immigrants support the 2nd Amendment.
They are a Progressive Democrats dream of people conditioned to huge government programs and anti gun because of the totalitarian countries many of them originate from. With them forming a majority, the fundamental change that O is always talking about becomes reality.
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With them forming a majority, the fundamental change that O is always talking about becomes reality.
It's my opinion that the fundamental change has happened. We will see if I'm right I November.
I hope I'm wrong.
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It's my opinion that the fundamental change has happened. We will see if I'm right I November.
I hope I'm wrong.
I reckon you are wrong. It's nothing about being right, or being strong, or being well informed or ill informed.
You guys are the most magnificently stubborn bastards on the planet. :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:
What other nation was foolish enough to dream of sticking a man on the moon - and doing it.
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It's my opinion that the fundamental change has happened. We will see if I'm right I November.
I hope I'm wrong.
Hopefully you read the Rush transcript Myst posted a few minutes ago.. everyone needs to hear or read what he said on his show today.
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I reckon you are wrong. It's nothing about being right, or being strong, or being well informed or ill informed.
You guys are the most magnificently stubborn bastards on the planet. :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:
What other nation was foolish enough to dream of sticking a man on the moon - and doing it.
:hands: :hands: :hands: :hands: :hands: :hands:
Well said my friend! Well said indeed!
Gonna take more that this to put us down!
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Due to it's relevance to our discussion I am posting a letter to the editor which appeared in my local rag this morning. It is from someone who definitely knows what he is talking about!
YOUR LETTERS
Take away jobs in U.S. and illegal immigration will end
Dear Editor, Our immigration system is not broken. The only thing broken is our federal government’s refusal to enforce immigration law.
Please allow me a second of your time to explain why any immigration reform legislation put forth by Congress will fail absolutely.
No legislation that Congress can pass will change illegal immigration. It is naïve to believe that Congress can legislate the action of people in another country. I am a recently retired border patrol agent with years of personal knowledge, experience and insight into illegal immigration and I can tell you that I have yet to hear anything that comes remotely close to doing anything to end illegal immigration and secure our borders.
Here is what Congress fails to understand: As long as there is opportunity for employment, illegal immigrants will continue to come and no legislation, border fence, increase of border patrol agents in the field or electronic surveillance will stop them.
The only way to end illegal immigration is to take away the reason for illegal immigration — jobs. No jobs, little to no illegal immigration.
Also, current law provides relief for legal immigrants to bring immediate family members legally to the United States, therefore, any legislation that grants any form of amnesty to the estimated 11 million illegal immigrants also immediately legalizes immediate family members.
When taken into consideration, mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters, spouse and children; this adds upwards of 60 to 100 million additional immigrants.
Now, what actually needs to be done is simple modifications to existing laws that will end illegal immigration and allow for the securing of our borders with little to no cost increase.
Laws and methods to be enforced/modified are as follows: 1. Increase the employer sanction penalties to such a level that no employer will risk hiring an illegal immigrant.
(a) Mandatory e-verify without exception.
(b) $250,000 fine for every illegal immigrant found to be employed (up from $10,000).
(c) Asset forfeiture; seizure of the business engaged in unlawful labor practices. (RICO Act applies as set out in 18 U.S.C. § 1961. As currently amended it includes: Any act of fraud, obstruction of justice, slavery and several other offenses covered under the Federal criminal code (Title 18) and Bringing in, aiding or assisting aliens in illegally entering the country (if the action was for financial gain).
(d) Asset forfeiture; seizure of personal assets of the business owner, owners, management and partners that profited from illegal labor. (RICO Act applies as set out in 18 U.S.C. § 1961. As currently amended it includes: Any act of fraud, obstruction of justice, slavery and several other offenses covered under the federal criminal code (Title 18) and bringing in, aiding or assisting aliens in illegally entering the country (if the action was for financial gain).
(e) Apply any number of tax fraud violations on the employer as appropriate (all employers must “cook the books” and commit tax fraud when paying illegal immigrants “under the table” and failure to properly withhold payroll taxes).
(f) Minimum mandatory prison sentences in accordance with current law or enhanced prison sentences.
Additionally, ending illegal immigration will allow current levels of border patrol agents to effectively patrol and secure the border.
Currently, border patrol agents spend a very large portion if not their entire shift in the office doing the administrative paperwork of deportation officers (warrant of arrest/notice to appear, expedited removal and reinstatement of deportation orders) and ICE criminal investigators (G-166 Report of Investigation) and not actually out patrolling the border.
In years passed, border patrol agents in the field would execute an I-44 Record of Apprehension or Seizure, which is the summary record of investigation for border patrol agents for both narcotics and alien smuggling arrests, as well as an I-213 Record of Inadmissible/Deportable Alien for immigrants and forward that report with the arrested and evidence to the proper prosecutorial agency for prosecution (ICE, DEA, Deportations Office).
Over the years, the criminal investigators of ICE and deportation officers found all of that pesky paperwork to be bothersome and successfully lobbied to have that work passed down to the border patrol agent in the field thus reducing the time border patrol agents actually spend patrolling and securing the border.
Now that illegal immigration is ended with the above methods and the borders are secured with the above mentioned methods, let us address legal immigration. Having taken away the jobs that cause illegal immigration will also cause the millions of illegal immigrants already in the United States to self deport because their reason for being here is no longer viable.
However, the United States wants and needs immigrants and immigrant labor so we offer something like a 90-day window to report to the nearest Immigration Office or Border Patrol Station without fear of apprehension or deportation for the purpose of registering to return to the United States with a work visa provided that they meet the criteria and are not deportable for another offense committed while illegally residing in the United States.
Work visas will be employer sponsored and allocated by the number of positions to be filled and at what locations the job is to be filled (employers can request visas by name if known, allowing employers to legally rehire former illegal immigrant employees).
The employer will submit the request to the State Department who will then fill those visas from the U.S. Consular Offices abroad from the lists of immigrants that registered prior to self deportation.
Tax identification numbers can also be issued at that time with the work visas for tax purposes. Spouses and children of the guest worker will receive dependent visas and tax identification numbers allowing them to accompany the guest worker and to allow the children to attend school. The spouse of a guest worker can apply for a work visa through any business once settled in the United States.
Registered illegal immigrants with United States citizen children will receive first priority on the work visa lists. Then, registered illegal immigrants. All immigrants not registered during the grace period in the United States must apply in their home country.
Work visas will be issued for a period of five years. Within six months of the expiration of the work visa, the guest worker and family members can apply to adjust status to legal resident.
If the guest worker has not committed any offenses that would cause him/her to become deportable, the adjustment of status to legal resident is applied for a period of five years. After the five-year guest worker and five-year legal resident period, the immigrant can apply for U.S. citizenship.
At no time will a guest worker or legal resident qualify for or receive social welfare benefits. Receiving such benefits automatically revokes legal status and makes the alien deportable as set forth in: (Public Charge: Under Section 212(a)(4) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA), an individual seeking admission to the United States or seeking to adjust status to that of an individual lawfully admitted for permanent residence is inadmissible if the individual, “at the time of application for admission or adjustment of status, is likely at any time to become a public charge.”
Public charge does not apply in naturalization proceedings. If an individual is inadmissible, admission to the United States or adjustment of status is not granted.
“Public charge” means an individual who is likely to become primarily dependent on the government for subsistence, as demonstrated by either the receipt of public cash assistance for income maintenance or institutionalization for long-term care at government expense.).
The above mentioned methods will also resolve any student visa overstays and any other class of legally admitted alien that has violated the terms of their visa and as such became illegally present.
Make no mistake, any form of amnesty or other legalization for the millions who have had and still have contempt for the immigration laws of the United States deserve nothing.
Illegal immigration is a tremendous burden on the country that all citizens and legal immigrants have to bear. Here are just a few examples: Their children go to our public schools yet, their parents pay no school taxes, and we wonder why our schools do not have sufficient money for educational programs. They drive motor vehicles in this country without a license or insurance yet, we are required to carry “uninsured motorist” coverage in order to cover “them”.
In addition, they use the local emergency room as their family doctor and claim indigence and unable to pay for their services and we sit and wonder why our health insurance premiums rise, here's a clue, we are paying for their health care when the hospitals charge our insurance companies more to cover their losses from indigent services.
Furthermore, I have personally spoken with thousands of illegal immigrants during my time as a border patrol agent and guess what, they don’t want to be legalized. That means paying taxes.
They don’t want to pay taxes. They just want to make their money to send back to their home country to support family back home and thus support their hometown economies, not ours. The only ones that “benefit” from illegal immigrant amnesty are the politicians pandering for yet another vote.
Jeffrey A. Clark, United States Border Patrol (Ret.)
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Nice find! And thank you for taking the time to archive it! These things tend to "disappear" from websites.
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Nice find! And thank you for taking the time to archive it! These things tend to "disappear" from websites.
Going to send it to my congressman and senators next!
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Says what some of us have been saying. No need to deport, just take away the candy.
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Says what some of us have been saying. No need to deport, just take away the candy.
And his life's work ensures that what he says carries a LOT of weight!
I've made him famous on facebook and twitter already this morning.
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And his life's work ensures that what he says carries a LOT of weight!
I've made him famous on facebook and twitter this morning already this morning.
Good!
Rule of thumb for me that has served me well. You want to know the details, find someone who does the job. Maybe tip a few beers down their hatch, to get their honest opinion.
You want to know what is going on in the neighborhood, you talk to the kids. They see everything and remember everything.
You want to know the shadier side of an area - you talk to the hookers. Remember to pay them for their time. :tongue2:
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And his life's work ensures that what he says carries a LOT of weight!
I've made him famous on facebook and twitter already this morning.
You're a good man, Bigun.
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You're a good man, Bigun.
Why thank you! I do what I can!
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Glad you asked! How about 5 Billion in Earned income Credits? They pay no income taxes but get a free welfare check from the IRS. They get free schooling for their children and we have to hire special teachers because they cannot speak English. We have to build new schools. They get free treatment from emergency room hospitals that we all have to pay. Their anchor babies get Medicaid and they get money for their children. Their anchor babies get all the food stamps, SSI, etc. since they improperly are classified US citizens. According to the Heritage Foundation, the cost of a illegal family is approximately $14,000 per year to the US taxpayers. Do you still want to weep because they "may" not get the pittance that they pay in social security taxes?
Yeah I also read on NumbersUSA how they commit crimes and fill up our prisons while they spread disease. I'm not weeping for anyone. I asked a question which you are sidesteping with emotionally charged propaganda.
If the illegals are made legal what "freebies" should they be excluded from? You say EITC. OK, so "legal status" workers get no EITC. How about paid into social safety nets like SS, Medicare, UI? If they are not to receive this American's only socialism, should it be withheld from their checks and the profits of the companies who hire these now legal workers? If the answer is no they don't pay these redistribution taxes then employers will have an incentive to hire this new class. I'm not sure how the SCOTUS would rule on a sure challenge to excluding legal workers from any payroll tax paid for benefit.
And what about public schools, food stamps, and Medicaid for what you call anchor babies and the law calls Americans? or college tuition breaks and student aid for the kids who were brought across the border? Tell them to pull up their bootstraps?
Holy Moley that is a lot of American socialism to preserve for the legitimately needy.
I'm just trying to get a better picture of this separate but legal classification of people. What do conservatives want if you don't want illegals deported?