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General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: sinkspur on November 13, 2016, 09:01:22 pm
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Ryan won't commit to passing Trump tariff plan
State of the Union
Paul Ryan and Donald Trump disagree on taxing businesses in order to make them conduct business in a way that benefits the American worker. Source: CNN
Video at link
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It may be the Congressional GOP that ends up saving Trump from himself
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Ryan will be replaced as Speaker if he keeps this up.
Can't wait... :pop41:
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I hope this is a sign that Congressional Republicans are going to be a check on Trump's big government dreams.
They'll need to say no to Trump's "infrastructure" stimulus spending plans
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Ryan will be replaced as Speaker if he keeps this up.
Can't wait... :pop41:
Paul Ryan got more votes this year than he did in 2014 and 2012. I guess the fact that he wasn't thrilled by the Donald didn't hurt him after all. The tRumpsters tried really hard to get him defeated but I guess the people in his district didn't care. I think he'll be just fine. :whistle:
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Ryan will be replaced as Speaker if he keeps this up.
Can't wait... :pop41:
I'm willing to bet he wins re-election to Speaker easily.
But you never bet, so I suspect you know that too.
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Paul Ryan got more votes this year than he did in 2014 and 2012. I guess the fact that he wasn't thrilled by the Donald didn't hurt him after all. The tRumpsters tried really hard to get him defeated but I guess the people in his district didn't care. I think he'll be just fine. :whistle:
Yup.
I remember when Ryan was suppose to go down in defeat in his primary contest according to the FR population :silly:
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I'm willing to bet he wins re-election to Speaker easily.
But you never bet, so I suspect you know that too.
I'm not especially fond of Ryan but I suspect he'll be reelected to the speakership easily.
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I'm not especially fond of Ryan but I suspect he'll be reelected to the speakership easily.
I think you're right and I think the Pubs are going to back Trump on everything, except term limits. They love their jobs and know they will lose the majority in the House in 2018 if they undercut him. Also, they know Trump is "malleable" and will bend on things they want to get what he wants.
The Rats only hope is if the Pubs openly fight Trump. They are moving even further left (if that were possible) and look to lose a lot seats in the Senate in 2018. If the Pubs are smart (I know a big question) they will back Trump and push border security, visa security, e-verify, tax reform, obamacare repeal, and entitlement reform all in the first 6 months. It's not like they are starting from scratch. They've been proposing bills covering all these things for 8 years. Now's the time!
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I think you're right and I think the Pubs are going to back Trump on everything, except term limits. They love their jobs and know they will lose the majority in the House in 2018 if they undercut him. Also, they know Trump is "malleable" and will bend on things they want to get what he wants.
The Rats only hope is if the Pubs openly fight Trump. They are moving even further left (if that were possible) and look to lose a lot seats in the Senate in 2018. If the Pubs are smart (I know a big question) they will back Trump and push border security, visa security, e-verify, tax reform, obamacare repeal, and entitlement reform all in the first 6 months. It's not like they are starting from scratch. They've been proposing bills covering all these things for 8 years. Now's the time!
Trump does not favor entitlement reform. There will be no repeal of Obamacare, just tweaking.
If the Republicans don't fight Trump on his luddite trade policies, the resulting recession will make 2020 look like 2008 for the GOP.
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Trump does not favor entitlement reform. There will be no repeal of Obamacare, just tweaking.
If the Republicans don't fight Trump on his luddite trade policies, the resulting recession will look like 2008 for the GOP.
Entitlement reform is going to be required if obamacare is repealed (which it will be). The obamacare death panels that would decide benefit allocations also covers medicare.
The Trump trade policies will in the end work out because nations will cut back on their currency manipulation and with low corporate taxes the need to relocate will be greatly diminished.
I'm willing to give Trump 6 months after he's sworn in to show what he's really going to do. During this time I'll avoid condemning his every move. Will you do the same?
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Entitlement reform is going to be required if obamacare is repealed (which it will be). The obamacare death panels that would decide benefit allocations also covers medicare.
The Trump trade policies will in the end work out because nations will cut back on their currency manipulation and with low corporate taxes the need to relocate will be greatly diminished.
I'm willing to give Trump 6 months after he's sworn in to show what he's really going to do. During this time I'll avoid condemning his every move. Will you do the same?
No reputable trade economist thinks imposing tariffs will do anything but result in a trade war, which will destroy as many as 6 million jobs in the exporting industry.
It's not about taxes. It's about the cost of labor. And labor costs in America are too high, even if corporate taxes are zero. Trump says he'll "bring jobs back." He can't do that. You know that. I know that.
Trump has no guiding philosophy other than his lazy brand of populism. He doesn't know what he's doing, and Peter Navarro (his trade advisor) is ridiculed by most economists.
Criticism is part of the job if you're president. When he's wrong, he's wrong.
Did you hold off criticizing Obama when his first thing out of the chute was a $1 trillion stimulus? I didn't, and I won't give Trump any grace either.
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I'm willing to bet he wins re-election to Speaker easily.
But you never bet, so I suspect you know that too.
If Trump wants Ryan gone he will be voted out, so don't kid yourself.
-btw you should have followed my advice and taken the landslide bet over at Predictit, it paid off 6:1.
:bullie smokin:
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It's not about taxes. It's about the cost of labor. And labor costs in America are too high, even if corporate taxes are zero. Trump says he'll "bring jobs back." He can't do that. You know that. I know that.
Exactly right. if Tennis shoes can be made in the Philippines for $5 a day, that's what an American who works in a factory that makes Tennis shoes is worth.
It's a changing economy that some are having difficulty adapting to. Watch the movie "Other people's Money" with Danny Devito in that scene were Gregory Peck's character and Danny Devito's each make their pleas
Democrats and Republicans always make these promises to the good folks in these jobs, esp in the Rust Belt
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I hope to hell congress puts a stop to any proposals that include tariffs. Tariffs are the absolute last thing we need in this country right now. Lower corporate taxes, lower government spending, get the federal budget under control, invest in infrastructure that will boost economic growth, but please stay away from tariffs. We are leaders in the global economy and our currency is the world's default currency only because we are the most free nation on earth when it comes to trade. If we start erecting trade barriers we will lower our own standard of living and begin the descent of the king dollar in international markets. Dumb move.
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I hope to hell congress puts a stop to any proposals that include tariffs. Tariffs are the absolute last thing we need in this country right now. Lower corporate taxes, lower government spending, get the federal budget under control, invest in infrastructure that will boost economic growth, but please stay away from tariffs. We are leaders in the global economy and our currency is the world's default currency only because we are the most free nation on earth when it comes to trade. If we start erecting trade barriers we will lower our own standard of living and begin the descent of the king dollar in international markets. Dumb move.
Dumb move, indeed. His Democrat roots are showing. Leave it to a former casino owner to rig things so the house wins every time.
The natural order of a free market is the closest thing to an "unrigged" system there might be.
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This one of many moments were we will be thankful we have a GOP House and Senate
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Ryan will be replaced as Speaker if he keeps this up.
Can't wait... :pop41:
Yes because anyone who tries to save Dear Leader from himself must be purged!
The GOP and the hardcore Trump supporters are becoming a parody of the DNC and DU.
Sad really...
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If Trump wants Ryan gone he will be voted out, so don't kid yourself.
-btw you should have followed my advice and taken the landslide bet over at Predictit, it paid off 6:1.
:bullie smokin:
You really have no clue how the process works do you?
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If Trump wants Ryan gone he will be voted out, so don't kid yourself.
-btw you should have followed my advice and taken the landslide bet over at Predictit, it paid off 6:1.
:bullie smokin:
Is that another threat of personal violence? Is Trump going to have him taken out back and shot?
If not, then Trump can't do diddly.
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Exactly right. if Tennis shoes can be made in the Philippines for $5 a day, that's what an American who works in a factory that makes Tennis shoes is worth.
Actually, less than that, since American workers insist on OSHA and EPA protections, etc. Therefore, American wages must be lower, to come up with a market labor cost when you acount for these costs.
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You really have no clue how the process works do you?
Similar to those people who are demanding an end to the Electoral College.
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Similar to those people who are demanding an end to the Electoral College.
You mean Trump? :silly:
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Yes because anyone who tries to save Dear Leader from himself must be purged!
In your hallucination...maybe.
Thankfully we don't live in such a fantasy world.
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You really have no clue how the process works do you?
In your fantasy world...no I don't. :laugh:
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If Trump wants Ryan gone he will be voted out, so don't kid yourself.
Naked hero worship.
Trump isn't the Wizard of Oz, @Longmire.
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In your fantasy world...no I don't. :laugh:
You don't in reality either it would appear.
You don't want a President...you want a Mafia Don.
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Actually, less than that, since American workers insist on OSHA and EPA protections, etc. Therefore, American wages must be lower, to come up with a market labor cost when you account for these costs.
On the other hand, you have to look at moral hazards of dealing with a foreign government and foreign middle men who might steal your proprietary assets, impose taxes of their own down the road (in retaliation for what Trump does, for example), the management and logistics of bringing finished goods back to the USA, higher inventory costs associated with waiting times, etc. It is not as cut and dried as people might believe.
In general, way more jobs have been lost to technology in the past few decades than have been lost to foreign outsourcing. And while American companies leaving makes news, foreign companies entering our market does not. Fact is, most Toyotas, Hondas, Mercedes and BMWs sold in the USA are made in the USA. Most of these jobs are in red states, however, as foreign companies are smart enough to avoid the labor unions in non-right to work states.
If you want to protect American jobs, get rid of the minimum wage, which would encourage upward mobility and make it more expensive for companies to switch to high tech ways to avoid labor costs. That would have a much bigger impact than tariffs, which would only make the American consumer suffer, and do little to help workers over the long term.
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On the other hand, you have to look at moral hazards of dealing with a foreign government and foreign middle men who might steal your proprietary assets, impose taxes of their own down the road (in retaliation for what Trump does, for example), the management and logistics of bringing finished goods back to the USA, higher inventory costs associated with waiting times, etc. It is not as cut and dried as people might believe.
In general, way more jobs have been lost to technology in the past few decades than have been lost to foreign outsourcing. And while American companies leaving makes news, foreign companies entering our market does not. Fact is, most Toyotas, Hondas, Mercedes and BMWs sold in the USA are made in the USA. Most of these jobs are in red states, however, as foreign companies are smart enough to avoid the labor unions in non-right to work states.
If you want to protect American jobs, get rid of the minimum wage, which would encourage upward mobility and make it more expensive for companies to switch to high tech ways to avoid labor costs. That would have a much bigger impact than tariffs, which would only make the American consumer suffer, and do little to help workers over the long term.
QFT
The real trick to all of this is to get agencies like the EPA and some of the other government entities that exacerbate the costs that producers pass on to the customer.
But the incestuous relationship some government agencies have with special interest groups...actually funding and in some cases encouraging their lawsuits against companies...its an uphill battle.
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It may be the Congressional GOP that ends up saving Trump from himself
That would be the hope. Any rational politician knows there are only two ways the 2018 mid-terms aren't a disaster for the GOP.
1. Save Trump from himself and make sure people know it
2. Turn against Trump if he can't control himself.
The political dynamics of the next couple of years promise to be "interesting" -- hopefully not in the Chinese sense of the word.
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It's not about taxes. It's about the cost of labor. And labor costs in America are too high, even if corporate taxes are zero.
That's not entirely correct. The metric of interest is cost of doing business, of which labor costs are only a part. Seen from that perspective, it is about taxes, but not only about taxes.
Elimination of corporate taxes saves more than just the tax bill -- it also saves money on the efforts needed either to comply with or to avoid the tax bill, which includes lawyers, lobbyists, accountants, IT systems, and the general overhead costs of employing those people.
The high cost of employing people has its own explanations, which can probably be addressed more or less independently.
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Paul Ryan got more votes this year than he did in 2014 and 2012.
I'm not talking about his congressional seat, I'm talking about his position as Speaker.
He can and will get replaced if he continues to make noises about opposing Trump.
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He can and will get replaced if he continues to make noises about opposing Trump.
And he should make noises on this issue and other fiscal and economic issues. That's what he was elected to do
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And he should make noises on this issue and other fiscal and economic issues. That's what he was elected to do
Amazing how some forget that the House of Representatives is the people's house...it was never intended to be the Presidents rubber stamp.
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He can and will get replaced if he continues to make noises about opposing Trump.
He won't.
Every sane member of the House understands that their own political survival depends on holding Trump accountable. Among other things, that means not doing something simply because Trump wants it.
Ryan has already established himself as a guy who will hold Trump accountable. He'll win the speakership, no problem.
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Naked hero worship.
Trump isn't the Wizard of Oz, @Longmire.
Pay no attention to the man behind the orange curtain.
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Amazing how some forget that the House of Representatives is the people's house...it was never intended to be the Presidents rubber stamp.
I don't want Ryan to oppose Trump on everything just to be vindictive, tho.
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I don't want Ryan to oppose Trump on everything just to be vindictive, tho.
No, that would be stupid. More to the point, though, Ryan has never said that's what he would do.
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He can and will get replaced if he continues to make noises about opposing Trump.
When did you people decide you wanted Trump to be a dictator?
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Well - what's the plan? Where is it? Show me the actual final text please.
I'd not commit either, til I knew what the hell I were committing to - wasn't one "You'll have to pass the bill to find out what's in it" enough for any lifetime?
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I'm not talking about his congressional seat, I'm talking about his position as Speaker.
He can and will get replaced if he continues to make noises about opposing Trump.
You forget that little thing called the Constitution which creates separate but equal branches.
Trump has no power on who becomes speaker.
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Trump has no power on who becomes speaker.
Good grief, of course he does. Trump looms over the DC swamp like Godzilla over Tokyo.
Ryan will lose in any show down with the newly elected President and I almost wish he'd try it just to see how far Trump kicks him. :laugh:
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Naked hero worship.
As opposed to the naked zero worship some folks here engage in...I'll take it. :laugh:
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Good grief, of course he does. Trump looms over the DC swamp like Godzilla over Tokyo.
Fat, clumsy, scaly, slimy, and incredibly destructive?
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Ryan will lose in any show down with the newly elected President and I almost wish he'd try it just to see how far Trump kicks him. :laugh:
Yeah, right.
If it comes to a showdown between Ryan and Trump, it'll be because Trump wants to do something stupid. Trump can't win that sort of battle: he can only sign or veto what the House and Senate send to him.
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Fat, clumsy, scaly, slimy, and incredibly destructive?
And don't forget that Godzilla generally lost....
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Good grief, of course he does. Trump looms over the DC swamp like Godzilla over Tokyo.
Ryan will lose in any show down with the newly elected President and I almost wish he'd try it just to see how far Trump kicks him. :laugh:
Just more proof of the fact you people want Trump to be your Mussolini.
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Just more proof of the fact you people want Trump to be your Mussolini.
@INVAR
Once Dear Leader Trump is immaculated, Amtrak will run on time.
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@INVAR
Once Dear Leader Trump is immaculated, Amtrak will run on time.
Yes. Trains will go East and everyone will know it's for 'work'.