The Briefing Room
General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: SirLinksALot on January 21, 2017, 02:59:16 pm
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SOURCE: AMERICAN THINKER
URL: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2017/01/george_will_dumps_on_trumps_inaugural_speech.html (http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2017/01/george_will_dumps_on_trumps_inaugural_speech.html)
By James Longstreet
I know that you will brand me as a sub-intellect for disagreeing with you. It is your way.
I held you in high regard. Was I an intellect then? You began your usually brilliant articles with snippets of history or historical quotes that immediately grounded your coming thoughts. Insightful and delightful. I enjoyed your affinity for baseball and relished your book Men at Work, one of the great baseball books ever written.
But something went off the rails with you, George. Your flare-up with Bill O’Reily was really, for me, neither here nor there. Two egotists crossing swords is light comedy, really. But it was a watershed of sorts. You haven’t been the same. The flare-up was either coincidence or causal, but certainly a milestone.
Why would you find fault with Trump’s inaugural speech? You reach for distant branches that substantiate your points, but as you do, you fall from the tree of logic.
You join company with the likes of Chris Matthews, who finds racism in the “America First” attitude of Trump. Do you even notice, George, the company you now keep?
You note these passages of Trump’s inaugural:
Trump proved that something dystopian can be strangely exhilarating[.]
Something wrong can be corrected. To notice a condition that is detrimental to the country is not to relish a “dystopian exhilaration.” To recognize deterioration in our industrial capacity is not to enjoy or exhilarate in the condition, but it is to identify and attempt to rectify the malady.
You then said this:
He vindicated his severest critics by serving up reheated campaign rhetoric about “rusted out factories scattered like tombstones across the landscape” and an education system producing students “deprived of all knowledge.
George, get out of Washington, D.C. Industrial parks across America are empty. They do rust. We import H-1B visa holders because it is admitted that the pool of those capable of certain jobs cannot be filled by Americans. What does that reveal of the education system?
Here is a historical quote for you, Mr. Will, regarding the devastating impact of an overbearing and regulatory burdening government. It is from 1842 (https://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/90454-de-la-d-mocratie-en-am-rique (https://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/90454-de-la-d-mocratie-en-am-rique)).
After having thus successively taken each member of the community in its powerful grasp and fashioned him at will, the supreme power then extends its arm over the whole community. It covers the surface of society with a network of small complicated rules, minute and uniform, through which the most original minds and the most energetic characters cannot penetrate, to rise above the crowd. The will of man is not shattered, but softened, bent, and guided; men are seldom forced by it to act, but they are constantly restrained from acting. Such a power does not destroy, but it prevents existence; it does not tyrannize, but it compresses, enervates, extinguishes, and stupefies a people, till each nation is reduced to nothing better than a flock of timid and industrious animals, of which the government is the shepherd.
This is the Trump message. There is no dystopian exhilaration other than the want to repair the condition. The exhilaration lies in identifying the condition and the want to rectify the situation. Whose side are you on, George? It seems you are doubling down, and you don’t even have a pair.
As Trump said, a country placing the interest of itself before the interest of others is fair game. Who could argue, other than you?
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It seems you are doubling down, and you don’t even have a pair.
Intentional?
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George Will is having a hard time coming to grips with reality.
And He is NOT alone! The inside the beltway crowd is buying (http://i.walmartimages.com/i/p/00/04/11/67/60/0004116760502_500X500.jpg) by the gallon!
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did you post Will's article?
I'd go with George Will over these fake news sites cultish support of Crump any day
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Trump Cult cannot stand any criticism at all. It is simply amazing how they outdo the Obama-nuts in the thinning of the skin.
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Will is an arrogant, elitist putz. He always has been and he always will be.
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Will is an arrogant, elitist putz. He always has been and he always will be.
and Trump is too
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Will is an arrogant, elitist putz. He always has been and he always will be.
888high58888 888high58888
And I refuse to read his drivel!
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Will is an arrogant, elitist putz. He always has been and he always will be.
You took the words right off my keyboard! 888high58888
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Of course statists and their hangers-on see nothing wrong with the current condition of the nation - their place in it is assured and only getting stronger.
But there is no doubt that schools are producing more ignorant students relative to their predecessors, that wages have been stagnant for decades, that more and more citizens depend upon the government for sustenance, that the country is becoming a balkanized collection of tribes.
Its all by design to benefit the few that pull the strings. The same folks that see nothing wrong with the country the way its evolved.
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George Will's deviationism shall not be tolerated, how dare he have his own opinion! To the camps!
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and Trump is too
Trump didn't write a column calling Will names.
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George Will's deviationism shall not be tolerated, how dare he have his own opinion! To the camps!
No one is threatening his ability to write anything he wants but he is not entitled to an audience!
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George Will's deviationism shall not be tolerated, how dare he have his own opinion! To the camps!
Will can have any opinion he wants and we can have any opinion of Will we want. He is not untouchable. The only one saying "To the Camps" is **nononono* you.
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Trump didn't write a column calling Will names.
Trump doesn't have to, his bully tweeter is limited to 140 characters.
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George Will, Chris Matthews and #nevertrumps
Three peas from the same pod, here on their tiny podium
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Stick to writing about Baseball, George.
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I'm a neverTrumper because I think he lacks personal character. On policy, based on Cabinet picks, I've been more happy than not.
The speech yesterday was terrific for a couple reasons. It's so refreshing to see an elected official, especially POTUS, double down on his campaign promises that got him elected in the first place. The norm is once elected politicians become vague and stress compromise. Another aspect of the speech that caught my attention were the references to GOD. I never thought I'd see a secular elected official allow faith, especially Christian, back into the public square. Also, it was great to see the POTUS strongly announce his priority is to represent the USA's interests first.
All in all I thought it was a very good speech. I think some people are so locked in to criticizing Trump they can't acknowledge any good things he's proposing, or doing. I'm sure part of this is because Trump's supporters have so little class and I think the other part is because Trump himself had so little class in the primaries. He's all we've got right now so lets hope he builds on what I think has been a good start.
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I'm a neverTrumper because I think he lacks personal character. On policy, based on Cabinet picks, I've been more happy than not.
The speech yesterday was terrific for a couple reasons. It's so refreshing to see an elected official, especially POTUS, double down on his campaign promises that got him elected in the first place. The norm is once elected politicians become vague and stress compromise. Another aspect of the speech that caught my attention were the references to GOD. I never thought I'd see a secular elected official allow faith, especially Christian, back into the public square. Also, it was great to see the POTUS strongly announce his priority is to represent the USA's interests first.
All in all I thought it was a very good speech. I think some people are so locked in to criticizing Trump they can't acknowledge any good things he's proposing, or doing. I'm sure part of this is because Trump's supporters have so little class and I think the other part is because Trump himself had so little class in the primaries. He's all we've got right now so lets hope he builds on what I think has been a good start.
Nobody says you have to like the guy personally. All I care about is results.
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I'm a neverTrumper because I think he lacks personal character. On policy, based on Cabinet picks, I've been more happy than not.
The speech yesterday was terrific for a couple reasons. It's so refreshing to see an elected official, especially POTUS, double down on his campaign promises that got him elected in the first place. The norm is once elected politicians become vague and stress compromise. Another aspect of the speech that caught my attention were the references to GOD. I never thought I'd see a secular elected official allow faith, especially Christian, back into the public square. Also, it was great to see the POTUS strongly announce his priority is to represent the USA's interests first.
All in all I thought it was a very good speech. I think some people are so locked in to criticizing Trump they can't acknowledge any good things he's proposing, or doing. I'm sure part of this is because Trump's supporters have so little class and I think the other part is because Trump himself had so little class in the primaries. He's all we've got right now so lets hope he builds on what I think has been a good start.
I am also one who did not vote for Trump but realizes that he IS now our president!
I liked the elements of the speech that put official Washington on notice that the game is now over. I did not like the protectionist parts at all.
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Will is an arrogant, elitist putz. He always has been and he always will be.
He was exactly the same snobbish, egotistical girly-man back in the 80's.
IMO...he overcompensated after he became a persona-non grata during the Reagan years...for calling GHWB, his "lap dog".
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I'm a neverTrumper because I think he lacks personal character. On policy, based on Cabinet picks, I've been more happy than not.
The speech yesterday was terrific for a couple reasons. It's so refreshing to see an elected official, especially POTUS, double down on his campaign promises that got him elected in the first place. The norm is once elected politicians become vague and stress compromise. Another aspect of the speech that caught my attention were the references to GOD. I never thought I'd see a secular elected official allow faith, especially Christian, back into the public square. Also, it was great to see the POTUS strongly announce his priority is to represent the USA's interests first.
All in all I thought it was a very good speech. I think some people are so locked in to criticizing Trump they can't acknowledge any good things he's proposing, or doing. I'm sure part of this is because Trump's supporters have so little class and I think the other part is because Trump himself had so little class in the primaries. He's all we've got right now so lets hope he builds on what I think has been a good start.
It's a valid conundrum we're dealing with: if we come out and praise Trump for doing something good, there's the expectation that a Trumpster will chime in with an:
(https://cdn.meme.am/cache/instances/folder570/500x/59429570.jpg)
I'll deal with that by putting those posters on ignore, and return to The Vineyard. Have much work to do over there.
Feel free to stop by and offer suggestions. 888high58888
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Nobody says you have to like the guy personally. All I care about is results.
He is spouting off potential Rooseveltean $Trillion dollar agendas for infrastructure.
This clown wants to be a blend of Jackson and FDR. Just wait until he tells you the US taxpayer has to fund this.
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I heard America first rah rah rah.
Economic ignorance.
If Trump follows through it will create a trade war. Bad things will happen.
I hope he doesn't follow through.
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Trump didn't write a column calling Will names.
True. Trump uses Twitter for that.
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Nobody says you have to like the guy personally. All I care about is results.
Indeed. If the trains run on time, who could possibly complain?
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True. Trump uses Twitter for that.
Yeah you know, because Trump is so above the fray. He doesn't feel the need to answer every single slight, like if someone insults the steaks at his Manhattan restaurant or makes fun of him on SNL. Trump has thick skin.
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Will is an arrogant, elitist putz. He always has been and he always will be.
And I refuse to read his drivel!
You took the words right off my keyboard!
@beandog @Right_in_Virginia @Bigun
So, gentlemen.... This is how you and yours ruined TOS: by turning it into an echo chamber where any word or thought against your ideas, or your heroes of the day, was heretical.
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@beandog @Right_in_Virginia @Bigun
So, gentlemen.... This is how you and yours ruined TOS: by turning it into an echo chamber where any word or thought against your ideas, or your heroes of the day, was heretical.
WRONG!!!
As I understand it you are free to express any opinion you choose here but no one is compelled to agree with it!
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@beandog @Right_in_Virginia @Bigun
So, gentlemen.... This is how you and yours ruined TOS: by turning it into an echo chamber where any word or thought against your ideas, or your heroes of the day, was heretical.
I have no clue what you're talking about. I didn't ruin the TOS, I got tossed from the other site. It is people like you who runied the other site by thinking I have to have the same opinion as you. I don't like George Will, never have. You want to like him, feel free. Didn't say you couldn't. Just stating my opinion of the man. Sorry that upsets you.
By the way, it's gentlewoman to you. **nononono*
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WRONG!!!
As I understand it you are free to express any opinion you choose here but no one is compelled to agree with it!
True. But I was referring to the figurative "hands to the ears 'lalalalala I can't hear you!'" that you fellows were expressing: it's exactly the same mindset that ruined TOS as anything except an echo chamber. Will says something you don't like. "lalalalal!!!"
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I have no clue what you're talking about. I didn't ruin the TOS, I got tossed from the other site. It is people like you who runied the other site by thinking I have to have the same opinion as you. I don't like George Will, never have. You want to like him, feel free. Didn't say you couldn't. Just stating my opinion of the man. Sorry that upsets you.
By the way, it's gentlewoman to you. **nononono*
Well, ma'am, sorry to mistake you for a man. I never can tell from the internet.
The funny thing is, I got kicked off too, for expressing a contrary opinion. I wasn't saying you had to agree with Mr. Will; however, the echo chamber that TOS became was precisely because people attacked the messenger (whether it was George Will, or Ted Cruz, or whomever) once they strayed from the safe opinions that were at odds with the status quo of the site.
You're attacking the messenger -- refusing to even discuss what he said. Why? I couldn't say. But I will say that the decline of TOS began in earnest when the "the guy's an idiot/putz/elitist/etc so I won't read him" attitude became the standard response on any thread that ran counter to the "received wisdom."
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True. But I was referring to the figurative "hands to the ears 'lalalalala I can't hear you!'" that you fellows were expressing: it's exactly the same mindset that ruined TOS as anything except an echo chamber. Will says something you don't like. "lalalalal!!!"
I have read enough of what George will writes to understand that I need no longer waste my time reading it! THAT is an opinion BTW! You don't have to agree with it! Read him all you like!
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Indeed. If the trains run on time, who could possibly complain?
Italians under Mussolini?
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I heard America first rah rah rah.
Economic ignorance.
If Trump follows through it will create a trade war. Bad things will happen.
I hope he doesn't follow through.
"Start" a trade war?
We are already IN a major, losing, trade war with China and Japan and getting mugged, beaten, robbed and ruined by our complete failure to do Anything about it except scream Trade War, Trade War, The Sky Will Fall.
https://ustr.gov/sites/default/files/files/reports/2015/NTE/2015%20NTE%20China.pdf
https://ustr.gov/sites/default/files/files/reports/2015/NTE/2015%20NTE%20Japan.pdf
Since any business in China worth owning is SOE (State Owned Entity) have a look at what the Chinese State is doing with the money We send them.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/secret-new-hump-back-chinese-9609304#ICID=sharebar_twitter
And as for George Will, I wouldn't cross the street to extinguish him with a bodily fluid if he were on fire.
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I have read enough of what George will writes to understand that I need no longer waste my time reading it! THAT is an opinion BTW! You don't have to agree with it! Read him all you like!
If you're not gonna read him, why did you feel the need to tell us so on a thread about what George Will said? Wouldn't silence work just as well?
If you want to discuss what he said, fine. But just showing up to say bad things about him, and that you won't read his stuff, seems a little off....
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"Start" a trade war?
We are already IN a major, losing, trade war with China and Japan and getting mugged, beaten, robbed and ruined by our complete failure to do Anything about it except scream Trade War, Trade War, The Sky Will Fall.
https://ustr.gov/sites/default/files/files/reports/2015/NTE/2015%20NTE%20China.pdf (https://ustr.gov/sites/default/files/files/reports/2015/NTE/2015%20NTE%20China.pdf)
https://ustr.gov/sites/default/files/files/reports/2015/NTE/2015%20NTE%20Japan.pdf (https://ustr.gov/sites/default/files/files/reports/2015/NTE/2015%20NTE%20Japan.pdf)
Since any business in China worth owning is SOE (State Owned Entity) have a look at what the Chinese State is doing with the money We send them.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/secret-new-hump-back-chinese-9609304#ICID=sharebar_twitter (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/secret-new-hump-back-chinese-9609304#ICID=sharebar_twitter)
You put a tariff on Chinese goods, who will pay that? American workers, how does that help them?
What happens when they put a tariff on our exports to china?
You're as economically ignorant as your boy king Trump. And he will destroy the economy.
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If you're not gonna read him, why did you feel the need to tell us so on a thread about what George Will said? Wouldn't silence work just as well?
If you want to discuss what he said, fine. But just showing up to say bad things about him, and that you won't read his stuff, seems a little off....
I responded to a poster who opined the Will was having a hard time dealing with reality, an opinion which I agree with, and it took off from there. I do see your point however.
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"Start" a trade war?
We are already IN a major, losing, trade war with China and Japan and getting mugged, beaten, robbed and ruined by our complete failure to do Anything about it except scream Trade
And as for George Will, I wouldn't cross the street to extinguish him with a bodily fluid if he were on fire.
It's interesting that your user name, 'To-Whose-Benefit', should be taken from the Latin, Cui Bono: "the idea that the responsibility for an act can usually be determined by asking who stands to gain as a result of the act."
So consider: when Trump says stuff like this, to whose benefit does he say it?
It would be difficult to believe he's acting out of the goodness of his heart: his entire public record doesn't support the idea.
So I ask you: to whose benefit does he say these things?
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Well, ma'am, sorry to mistake you for a man. I never can tell from the internet.
The funny thing is, I got kicked off too, for expressing a contrary opinion. I wasn't saying you had to agree with Mr. Will; however, the echo chamber that TOS became was precisely because people attacked the messenger (whether it was George Will, or Ted Cruz, or whomever) once they strayed from the safe opinions that were at odds with the status quo of the site.
You're attacking the messenger -- refusing to even discuss what he said. Why? I couldn't say. But I will say that the decline of TOS began in earnest when the "the guy's an idiot/putz/elitist/etc so I won't read him" attitude became the standard response on any thread that ran counter to the "received wisdom."
I got tossed, or at least put on permanent suspension, because I didn't support the Donald. I'm not going to start supporting someone I don't agree with, ie George Will, now just because he doesn't like the Donald. I don't agree with George Will's article. I thought the speech was fine as speeches go. I'm not big on what somebody says in a speech anyway. I'm much more interested in what a person does. Speeches are just words. I think Will's just being super critical because he has his panties in a wad. The article was unhelpful and unnecessary except to Will's ego.
I have know problem being critical of Pres. the Donald when there is something to be critical of. His speech is not one of them. Do I like him or trust him, no I don't. I'm still going to wait and see what he actually does. :shrug:
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At least he listened to it..that's more than I can say I did :shrug:
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I have no problem being critical of Pres. the Donald when there is something to be critical of. His speech is not one of them. Do I like him or trust him, no I don't. I'm still going to wait and see what he actually does. :shrug:
Fair enough. I'm withholding judgment on him as well. But an inaugural speech is meant to set both the tone and direction of a presidency, and what I got from Trump's speech I did not like at all (my reasons given above). If that's the tone and direction of Trump's presidency, it's not a good tone, or a good direction.
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Nobody says you have to like the guy personally. All I care about is results.
Gee, that sounds an awful lot like the ends justifies the means. Perhaps you should study up on how that goes - all for the greater good and all.
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Gee, that sounds an awful lot like the ends justifies the means. Perhaps you should study up on how that goes - all for the greater good and all.
I don't get that at all. I don't have to like someone to agree with something they do. If he does what's right for this country that's a good thing. Does it mean I'm going to like him, probably not.
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I don't get that at all. I don't have to like someone to agree with something they do. If he does what's right for this country that's a good thing. Does it mean I'm going to like him, probably not.
Because it matters how you go about getting those results.
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George Will is having a hard time coming to grips with reality.
@Unlimited
He's turned into a fussy old woman,ranting and raving about "those damn kids!"
Even back when he made sense he was no more than a 2 dollar William Buckley.
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Of course statists and their hangers-on see nothing wrong with the current condition of the nation - their place in it is assured and only getting stronger.
But there is no doubt that schools are producing more ignorant students relative to their predecessors, that wages have been stagnant for decades, that more and more citizens depend upon the government for sustenance, that the country is becoming a balkanized collection of tribes.
Its all by design to benefit the few that pull the strings. The same folks that see nothing wrong with the country the way its evolved.
@skeeter
BINGO! As relates to the people of this country,the elitist plan is "United they stand,but if we keep them divided,they will fall."
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George Will, Chris Matthews and #nevertrumps
Three peas from the same pod, here on their tiny podium
@truth_seeker
:beer:
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Indeed. If the trains run on time, who could possibly complain?
Referencing Mussolini is also violation of Godwin's Law.
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I heard America first rah rah rah.
Economic ignorance.
If Trump follows through it will create a trade war. Bad things will happen.
@Weird Tolkienish Figure
You prefer the "Trade Surrender for personal profits" we have had ever since Reagan left office?
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@beandog @Right_in_Virginia @Bigun
So, gentlemen.... This is how you and yours ruined TOS: by turning it into an echo chamber where any word or thought against your ideas, or your heroes of the day, was heretical.
@r9etb
ROFLMAO! Has there even by any time with TOS wasn't an echo chamber for bleeting sheep,ran by a pack of sheepherders? It was already like that the day I signed up over there in 1998.
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And He is NOT alone! The inside the beltway crowd is buying (http://i.walmartimages.com/i/p/00/04/11/67/60/0004116760502_500X500.jpg) by the gallon!
Bwahaha!
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Actually, I'm beginning to become very good a tuning out the fake stream media. I am already sick to death of people insulting our new President and still acting like Bammy was the best thing that ever happened to this country. I was never so glad to see someone board a helicopter as I was him ... good riddance!
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Because it matters how you go about getting those results.
Sorry, I don't agree. Short of breaking the law I don't care how him comes to the correct conclusion. You sound just like Math teachers I used to have. Even if I had the correct answer they wanted me to show I used their formula, not my own, to get the answer. I always thought that was stupid. :shrug:
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Actually, I'm beginning to become very good a tuning out the fake stream media. I am already sick to death of people insulting our new President and still acting like Bammy was the best thing that ever happened to this country. I was never so glad to see someone board a helicopter as I was him ... good riddance!
Seriously, how often did Will call the crooked Bamster's speeches "dreadful". I am at least willing to wait until he actually does something "dreadful" to call it dreadful.
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I read Will's column in today's WaPo which completed the trifecta of anti-Trump editorials on their editorial page. George Will has gone full liberal.
Trump's speech spoke to the heart of a nation that exists beyond the Beltway. Will should visit it some time.
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You put a tariff on Chinese goods, who will pay that? American workers, how does that help them?
What happens when they put a tariff on our exports to china?
You're as economically ignorant as your boy king Trump. And he will destroy the economy.
Manufacturers will charge what the market will bear, regardless of the cost to manufacture, as long as its adequately profitable just like they do today.
If they don't the competition will.
Why does it have to be all one way or the other - totally free vs totally protectionist? Being an absolutist about virtually any subject just makes one wrong at least half the time.
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Referencing Mussolini is also violation of Godwin's Law.
Ah, I see.
So what else am I supposed to make of your claim that all you care about is results?
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I read Will's column in today's WaPo which completed the trifecta of anti-Trump editorials on their editorial page. George Will has gone full liberal.
Trump's speech spoke to the heart of a nation that exists beyond the Beltway. Will should visit it some time.
True. Will and several other old media "characters," are witnessing their relevance slip away. Most conservatives are onboard with Trump's emphasis on RESULTS, not mere rhetoric.
Plus direct delivery of information from the sources, leaves them redundant, as "interpreters" of said info. Most things that need saying, can be done with 140 characters.
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Most things that need saying, can be done with 140 characters.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made thro
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rig
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the c
Well, maybe many things. But a lot of the most important stuff is worth taking the time and effort to use just a few more characters.
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Most things that need saying, can be done with 140 characters.
Only for the simple minded.
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Manufacturers will charge what the market will bear, regardless of the cost to manufacture, as long as its adequately profitable just like they do today.
If they don't the competition will.
@skeeter
Seems so obvious it shouldn't even have to be mentioned,doesn't it?
I guess most people today under 50 are just so used to government meddling in prices by taxing some items,barring others,and even subsidizing some things with state and feral money,the whole idea of the market establishing the price is foreign to them.
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True. Will and several other old media "characters," are witnessing their relevance slip away. Most conservatives are onboard with Trump's emphasis on RESULTS, not mere rhetoric.
@truth_seeker
And why wouldn't we be after getting nothing BUT rhetoric ever since Reagan left office and that evil bastard Poppy Bush took over?
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@skeeter
Seems so obvious it shouldn't even happen to be mentioned,doesn't it?
I guess most people today under 50 are just so used to government meddling in prices by taxing some items,barring others,and even subsidizing some things with state and feral money,the whole idea of the market establishing the price is foreign to them.
Bottom line - it is foolish to believe that a subject as multifaceted and complex as an economy the size of our's can be approached in such a doctrinaire manner.
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In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made thro
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rig
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the c
Well, maybe many things. But a lot of the most important stuff is worth taking the time and effort to use just a few more characters.
Elegantly done. :beer:
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"George Will dumps on Trump’s inaugural speech, calls his speech 'Dreadful' "
Hey George, do you think that President Hillary Clinton's inaugural speech would have been better???
Sometimes, if you don't have anything good to say, it's best to just STFU!
BTW, dem Sen Schumer's speech at the inaugural was absolutely despicable. It was more than "dreadful", dredging up the darkest part of US history: the Civil War. Why did he do that? It looked like a thinly veiled "call to arms" for the dems to engage in CWII to fight Trump and Republicans, even if it leads to bloodshed...
And who is the dumbass that invited Schumer to speak at Trump's inaugural anyway? :shrug:
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This has been brought up before but, in something like 1980, 85, journalists and editorialists like Will ruled the roost.
Their views matter.
Then Rush comes and talk radio, then Satellite news comes; and it just added 10-fold to the people one might listen to for opinions, views and so on. Talk radio of course, has been around well before Rush but he revitalized the industry; and Conservatism IMHO.
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Only for the simple minded.
QFT
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"George Will dumps on Trump’s inaugural speech, calls his speech 'Dreadful' "
Hey George, do you think that President Hillary Clinton's inaugural speech would have been better???
Considering George is most comfortable around beltway insiders and establishment types theres no doubt he does.
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Same here @libertybele
I became so sick of the whining I had to take a vacation from this site before I said something I regretted here. I am under no illusion that our POTUS will do everything as I wish he would do. I fully expect him to do some things that are going to upset me greatly, but whatever he does in totality will be so much better than the Democrats that I am extremely grateful that he won.
If Trump does nothing more than insure a Conservative Majority in the SCOTUS for the next 30 years, it will all be worth it.
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Referencing Mussolini is also violation of Godwin's Law.
@r9etb
People who reference Godwin's Law are just like Hitler.
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@r9etb
People who reference Godwin's Law are just like Hitler.
:silly: :silly: :silly: :silly: :silly:
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I find it funny, in the recent comments view, we have two back to back threads.
George Will dumps on Trump's Inaugural Speech...
Jesse Jackson praises Trump's Inaugural Speech...
Guess which side is the villain and which is the hero.
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You put a tariff on Chinese goods, who will pay that? American workers, how does that help them?
What happens when they put a tariff on our exports to china?
You're as economically ignorant as your boy king Trump. And he will destroy the economy.
He's not my 'Boy King'. He's what we've got, and I'm not going to invest my day putting on airs that I'm better than him.
i.
What's it take? Do I have to post a 'Well yeah' BUT (insert anti Trump rant) as an olive branch preceding an observation that I Agree with him on something? It's either Bash Trump or I'm Ignorant?
Truly fixing this economy is going to take drastic cuts in the Corporate Income Tax. (Which he has mentioned doing. It's wait and see if he does.)
My 'Economic Ignorance' must have me assuming that the American Consumers you've mentioned aren't the marks paying that one.
Or perhaps I really am, That Ignorant.
It's the Corporations and their Stockholders who actually Pay those taxes themselves, rather than tack them onto the price of their goods and services, . . . and PASS THEM THROUGH to the chump on the buying end.
At over 35 pct. Right?
As for China, I don't want us doing Any Trade with them. Nothing. There isn't a single thing they produce we can't manufacture right here.
Totalitarian Communist Regimes cannot support themselves without a steady influx of western capital.
Cut it off.
Did you read beyond the opening paragraph of the China Trade Paper?
"U.S. goods exports in 2014 were $124
.0 billion, up 1.9 percent from the previous year. China is currently
the third largest export market for U.S. goods. Corr
esponding U.S. imports from China were $466.7 billion,
up 6.0 percent. The U.S. goods trade deficit with
China was $342.6 billion in 2014, an increase of $23.9
billion from 2013. "
Did you read the submarine link?
We're not doing business with the Chinese people. We're funding the Chi-Com Party and Chi-Com Military.
They're investing our money in nuclear subs with missiles to reach our shores.
You want to tell this 'Economic Ignorant' how That helps the American Worker?
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At least he listened to it..that's more than I can say I did :shrug:
Same here. Actions speak louder than words. The next year will be very telling.
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He's not my 'Boy King'. He's what we've got, and I'm not going to invest my day putting on airs that I'm better than him.
i.
What's it take? Do I have to post a 'Well yeah' BUT (insert anti Trump rant) as an olive branch preceding an observation that I Agree with him on something? It's either Bash Trump or I'm Ignorant?
Truly fixing this economy is going to take drastic cuts in the Corporate Income Tax. (Which he has mentioned doing. It's wait and see if he does.)
My 'Economic Ignorance' must have me assuming that the American Consumers you've mentioned aren't the marks paying that one.
Or perhaps I really am, That Ignorant.
It's the Corporations and their Stockholders who actually Pay those taxes themselves, rather than tack them onto the price of their goods and services, . . . and PASS THEM THROUGH to the chump on the buying end.
At over 35 pct. Right?
As for China, I don't want us doing Any Trade with them. Nothing. There isn't a single thing they produce we can't manufacture right here.
Totalitarian Communist Regimes cannot support themselves without a steady influx of western capital.
Cut it off.
Did you read beyond the opening paragraph of the China Trade Paper?
"U.S. goods exports in 2014 were $124
.0 billion, up 1.9 percent from the previous year. China is currently
the third largest export market for U.S. goods. Corr
esponding U.S. imports from China were $466.7 billion,
up 6.0 percent. The U.S. goods trade deficit with
China was $342.6 billion in 2014, an increase of $23.9
billion from 2013. "
Did you read the submarine link?
We're not doing business with the Chinese people. We're funding the Chi-Com Party and Chi-Com Military.
They're investing our money in nuclear subs with missiles to reach our shores.
You want to tell this 'Economic Ignorant' how That helps the American Worker?
Splendid post, @To-Whose-Benefit?
Glad you're here! :beer:
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You want to tell this 'Economic Ignorant' how That helps the American Worker?
A tariff is a tax ON AMERICANS. How does that help American workers?
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A tariff is a tax ON AMERICANS. How does that help American workers?
Supposedly it creates jobs by "leveling the playing field" or some such. Never seems to work out that way, but that's the theory. In reality, it just makes it more cost-effective for American companies to replace American workers with robots, than to ship manufacturing overseas where the Chinese can replace their workers with robots....
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Trump Cult cannot stand any criticism at all. It is simply amazing how they outdo the Obama-nuts in the thinning of the skin.
I am not a member of the "Trump Cult" -I didn't vote for him, choosing instead to wright in somebody as did many others here at the BR. But George Will's response to the speech is what I find dreadful. Do I think it was a good speech? Some parts of it I thought quite good and satisfied my conservative litmus test. Other parts of it were just OK or lacking, where he would have benefited greatly by a speech writer and delivery coach. But dreadful? Come on.
Some here fail to recognize the other "cult" - those on the supposed Right who would feel more comfortable attending an anti-Trump protest shoulder to shoulder with Leftist, than attending the inauguration of President Trump.
I didn't vote for him, and I still have huge doubts about how he will govern, and overcoming the pitfalls of just being Trump. But good God man, he's our president and the best hope we have for the next four years of protecting the Courts and driving Conservative legislation. And if wants to earn my vote in four years that's just what he'll do.
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Some parts of it I thought quite good and satisfied my conservative litmus test. Other parts of it were just OK or lacking, where he would have benefited greatly by a speech writer and delivery coach.
It's hard to dispute that.
It's hard generally to get used to a political leader who not only doesn't speak like a politician, but many times doesn't even speak like a leader with whom many of us would be familiar. But I have to say that there was a refreshing quality of absolute candor in that speech.
I'd also say that it is a very rare political speech that can actually be good/worthwhile, without also being controversial. If there's no controversy, then you're basically just talking empty platitudes with which no-one can disagree. I liked it, if only because I think it gave me a better sense of the guy than if he'd spouted some crap about universal healing and coming together.
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Supposedly it creates jobs by "leveling the playing field" or some such. Never seems to work out that way, but that's the theory. In reality, it just makes it more cost-effective for American companies to replace American workers with robots, than to ship manufacturing overseas where the Chinese can replace their workers with robots....
There's also the aspect of putting tariffs on components for products that are otherwise manufactured here. Taxing all those imported components can make the finished product more expensively, and therefore less competitive on the international market.
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There's also the aspect of putting tariffs on components for products that are otherwise manufactured here. Taxing all those imported components can make the finished product more expensively, and therefore less competitive on the international market.
And the countries that manufacture those parts won't sit still and not retaliate with tariffs of their own on things we export to them.
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There's also the aspect of putting tariffs on components for products that are otherwise manufactured here. Taxing all those imported components can make the finished product more expensively, and therefore less competitive on the international market.
Unless tariffs are coupled with massive (and I mean yuge) cuts in regulations the end result is going to be a lot of people ticked off at the rising prices at the store. Lot's of folks say that they are willing to pay more for stuff made in the USA, but if the market could truly support that the jobs wouldn't have moved in the first place.
Tariffs coupled with inflation and increased interest rates (if the economy stops limping they will have to rise) is a recipe for a lot of bad press for Trump. He'd be wise to compromise on the tariffs and focusing on freeing American business so they can be more competitive.
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IMO I think Trump is threatening tariffs to get better trade deals. A good negotiator knows that you never take any option off of the table when it comes to making a deal.
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IMO I think Trump is threatening tariffs to get better trade deals. A good negotiator knows that you never take any option off of the table when it comes to making a deal.
It doesn't have to be all or nothing. For some items and to protect certain strategic industries tariffs its probably a good idea. Others not so much.
What we do know is currently wages are stagnant and have been for years. Underemployment is astronomically high, as are the numbers on public assistance. GDP is anemic.
Of course the stock market is skyrocketing, as a consequence of much improved profitability. But having a job comes before having a retirement account.
I suspect the answer lies somewhere between "free trade" and "protectionism" as currently defined.
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People act as if Free Trade is what we have today.
When China restricts its' imports, it ain't Free Trade.
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People act as if Free Trade is what we have today.
When China restricts its' imports, it ain't Free Trade.
Maybe someone in DC can convince Trump to revoke the permanent most favored nation trading status Billy Jeff gifted to the ChiComs during his second term in office.
Every President prior to Clinton had only renewed this status every couple of years or when China would clean up it's act to a certain degree...but after a few bag fulls of campaign cash courtesy of John Huang and Charlie Trie it was given to them permanently.
That has done a lot of damage as far as cheap wages and cheap imports into this country.
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It doesn't have to be all or nothing. For some items and to protect certain strategic industries tariffs its probably a good idea. Others not so much.
What we do know is currently wages are stagnant and have been for years. Underemployment is astronomically high, as are the numbers on public assistance. GDP is anemic.
Of course the stock market is skyrocketing, as a consequence of much improved profitability. But having a job comes before having a retirement account.
I suspect the answer lies somewhere between "free trade" and "protectionism" as currently defined.
Stagnant wage growth is more the product of automation, rather than globalism. When is Trump going to start his war on the machines?
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Stagnant wage growth is more the product of automation, rather than globalism. When is Trump going to start his war on the machines?
That's probably true.
Still, there are some jobs that still need people. What's interesting is that nobody in the political debate ever seems to talk about making it cheaper for American companies to employ people.
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People act as if Free Trade is what we have today.
When China restricts its' imports, it ain't Free Trade.
Don't forget China's currency manipulation.
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did you post Will's article?
I'd go with George Will over these fake news sites cultish support of Crump any day
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For those who want to read George Will's article, here it is:
TITLE: A most dreadful inaugural address
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2017/01/20/a-most-dreadful-inaugural-address/?utm_term=.201becc93e2b (https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2017/01/20/a-most-dreadful-inaugural-address/?utm_term=.201becc93e2b)
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Thank you, Sir! :beer:
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It's hard generally to get used to a political leader who not only doesn't speak like a politician, but many times doesn't even speak like a leader with whom many of us would be familiar.
I'd rather get used to a political leader who spoke (and thought, and behaved) like a statesman. We haven't had one
of those in the White House in a couple of decades or more.
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Mark Knoller @markknoller 12m12 minutes ago
More Pres Trump called press back to hear Carpenters Union Pres Doug McCarron say Trump's Inaugural "was a great middle class address."
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C24hZwFXAAAhY52.jpg)
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The Country Club is Closed!
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Stagnant wage growth is more the product of automation, rather than globalism. When is Trump going to start his war on the machines?
Far more than automation wage stagnation is the product of practically unrestricted immigration, which eliminates the need for capital investments and retards automation.
Hopefully Trump will follow through on those promises.
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Far more than automation wage stagnation is the product of practically unrestricted immigration, which eliminates the need for capital investments and retards automation.
I have no quibble with anything you said but will add that all this government regulation is a huge factor as well.
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Far more than automation wage stagnation is the product of practically unrestricted immigration, which eliminates the need for capital investments and retards automation.
Hopefully Trump will follow through on those promises.
I'm behind Trump on immigration. But his stance on trade = bad wage growth is just wrong.
We actually had wage growth last quarter I believe, first time in a while.
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I have no quibble with anything you said but will add that all this government regulation is a huge factor as well.
Of course thats correct. Reduced regulations, tightened immigration policies, more equitable overseas trade agreements and wages will rise.
Then inflation becomes the worry but thats what the fed is for.
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@NavyCanDo
Some here fail to recognize the other "cult" - those on the supposed Right who would feel more comfortable attending an anti-Trump protest shoulder to shoulder with Leftist, than attending the inauguration of President Trump.
AKA "Party People" or "Bush-Bots".
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IMO I think Trump is threatening tariffs to get better trade deals. A good negotiator knows that you never take any option off of the table when it comes to making a deal.
@dfwgator
Politicians think about scoring political points with donors and voters,and don't really care about the effect on the country. Businessmen want to win and profit. They ALWAYS ask for more than they want,and then reluctantly agree to negotiate it down to only a little more than they would have settled for. Politicians will never demand the sun,the moon,and the stars because all they are looking for is a little positive press. Businessmen are looking for profits. They get them,or they don't agree to the deal.
WTH is this so hard for people to figure out? It's not like it's some sort of secret.
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Maybe someone in DC can convince Trump to revoke the permanent most favored nation trading status Billy Jeff gifted to the ChiComs during his second term in office.
Bubba Bill never gave anybody anything in his life,other that a STD. You can bet your bippy there was Chinese gold delivered to his accounts.
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Umm so let me get this straight...Fox can dump fairly decent Conservatives like Will...Thomas and Rollins...And then turn around and hire the likes of Marie Harf?????
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Umm so let me get this straight...Fox can dump fairly decent Conservatives like Will...Thomas and Rollins...And then turn around and hire the likes of Marie Harf?????
Curious isn't it. Maybe that young boy Rach Maddow at MSNBC is looking to switch sides?
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Curious isn't it. Maybe that young boy Rach Maddow at MSNBC is looking to switch sides?
Doubtful. Russell's not switching teams.
On another note see Regretta has taken her act to MSNBC...She was on tonight before the alcoholic former speech writer for Jimmy Carter