He then listed a number of the rules that McCarthy adopted at the request of those representatives who have repeatedly voted against him:
“Andrew Clyde’s proposal to restore public access to the Capitol”
“Lauren Boebert’s proposal to reduce the linkage between the NRCC and the steering committee process”
“Gary Palmer’s proposal to cap spending on suspension bills”
“Ralph Norman’s proposal to limit leadership reports and make conference more about engaging all members”
“Chip Roy’s proposal to provide a five-day notice for suspension votes”
“Dan Bishop’s proposal in privileged resolutions”
“Scott Perry’s proposal for additional conference meetings ahead of key votes”
“Bob Good’s proposal on stand alone appropriations bills”
“Andy Biggs’ proposal limiting suspension waivers from committees”
“Chip Roy’s proposal to make cosponsored amendments in order”
Warren Davidson Lists Concessions McCarthy Made to People Who Voted Against His Speakership
Rep. Warren Davidson (R-OH) nominated Leader Kevin McCarthy for the speakership Wednesday on the fifth speakership ballot, after the fourth did not produce a victor.
Davidson highlighted a laundry list of concessions that McCarthy promised many Republicans who have repeatedly voted against him, and he urged those members to rally behind the California representative.
Gutfeld said to wake him when the plane lands or crashes!
I'm getting ready to head out to tennis practice later. What are the odds that we have a Speaker by the time I get back?
**nononono*
I'm getting ready to head out to tennis practice later. What are the odds that we have a Speaker by the time I get back?
**nononono*
Jack Posobiec
@JackPosobiec
BREAKING: McCarthy leadership Super PAC just cut a deal to not get involved in safe open seat primaries, per Punchbowl News For many anti-McCarthy votes, this was a top concern
7:38 PM · Jan 4, 2023
Jack Posobiec
@JackPosobiec
This deal paves the way for more MAGA candidates to win in open-seat primaries without facing well-funded establishment candidates
7:42 PM · Jan 4, 2023
Thank You Rep Chip Roy for continuing to hold McCarthy's feet to the fire.
Great speech. Too bad so many are willing to fold for the "sure thing" instead of principle.
Chad Pergram
@ChadPergram
McCarthy says he isn't considering dropping out. Said tonight's conversations were productive.
8:22 PM · Jan 4, 2023
Chad Pergram
@ChadPergram
GOP FL Rep-elect Cammack on Fox on Speaker dispute: Now it's at the point where we have to find out who has a personal vendetta and who has a policy issue and the policy issues we can navigate. I think the more voices that we have at the table, the better.
7:31 PM · Jan 4, 2023
A perfect example of what is wrong.... he wants that title so badly he is willing to sell his soul to get it.. Makes me wonder who the buyer is....
Ironic, considering McCarthy's funds saved Boebert's seat.
*hmmmm* He voted for adjournment.
It's not lost on me @Right_in_Virginia that the last time the Freedom Caucus pulled this
I gotta ask, @Right_in_Virginia . Is your hard-on for a Swamp-loving Establishment hack like Kevin McCarthy because of Trump supporting him? Or is it because Mike Pence supports him?
I'd start here ... (Video)
https://mobile.twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1610791512505303040
Should a man in your position be talking about a "hard on"?
I'm not the one here blindly backing the Mike Pence-supporting Swamp-loving GOP Establishment hack.
I'm not the one here blindly backing the Mike Pence-supporting Swamp-loving GOP Establishment hack.
Let's not forget what McCarthy had to say about Jan 6.
https://twitter.com/BarnettforAZ/status/1610737811082317824
And you #AlwaysTrumpers support this? THIS?
So, when is the next vote scheduled?
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This is who folks are betting the farm on. In this rambling, incoherent diatribe Boebert not only proves there is no plan, but also admits McCarthy's replacement doesn't have to be a conservative. . (Video)
https://youtu.be/_hF5aw5K9-Q
McCarthy sweetens his offer to House GOP rebels
Alayna Treene, author of Axios Sneak Peek
4 January, 2023
House GOP leader Kevin McCarthy offered fresh concessions on Wednesday evening in an attempt to keep his speakership bid alive, multiple GOP sources told Axios.
Between the lines: It's unclear whether the 20 House GOP rebels will accept the offer, although one GOP member called the plan "an amazing deal they'd be dumb to turn down."
McCarthy's proposal, according to sources familiar with the plan:
One member motion to vacate, instead of five.
More House Freedom Caucus members on the House Rules Committee.
Promises to hold votes on controversial term limit and border security bills.
What's next: The House resumes at noon eastern time on Thursday.
CNN reported details of the concessions earlier on Wednesday evening.
Source: https://www.axios.com/2023/01/05/kevin-mccarthy-concessions-speaker-vote
Fingers crossed. I'm okay letting him have it with a 6 inch leash.
Even so, I bet the boy doesn't make it a year as Speaker.
A Significant Majority of Republican Voters Agree With the GOP Rebels
STACEY LENNOX | 1:36 PM ON JANUARY 04, 2023
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The Republican establishment that still believes they can manage voters’ expectations to maintain the status quo may want to do a reality check. The base had high expectations in 2022, and the elections did not meet those expectations. Many voters suspect that at least some establishment Republicans put a greater emphasis on ensuring that candidates tied to President Trump did not win than on winning back the Senate and a more significant majority in the House.
Then, the GOP members they did manage to elect voted to keep the wildly unpopular Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) as Senate Republican Leader. Then, with a RealClearPolitics average favorability rating of -33%, McConnell turned around and betrayed Republican voters by helping Democrats pass a $1.7 trillion Omnibus package along with 17 of his colleagues.
No one should be surprised that Republican voters are fed up. They organized the Tea Party and elected candidates who promised fiscal responsibility. When that did not work, they elected a reality television star as president. Yet the incumbents in Washington still don’t learn. . . .
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/stacey-lennox/2023/01/04/a-significant-majority-of-republican-voters-agree-with-the-gop-rebels-n1658511
Well what do you know? These 21 "terrorists" as one Establishment champion calls them, actually do represent a majority of Republican voters. Go figure.
Fingers crossed. I'm okay letting him have it with a 6 inch leash.
This is who folks are betting the farm on. In this rambling, incoherent diatribe Boebert not only proves there is no plan, but also admits McCarthy's replacement doesn't have to be a conservative. . (Video)
https://youtu.be/_hF5aw5K9-Q
A 6 inch leash with one of those dog training collars. You know, the kind that will beep if you’re starting to side with the Dems and will shock you if you passively approve another ridiculous spending bill.
Fingers crossed. I'm okay letting him have it with a 6 inch leash.
Think I'll start posting multi-thread anti-trump pieces too.
McCarthy sweetens his offer to House GOP rebels
Alayna Treene, author of Axios Sneak Peek
4 January, 2023
House GOP leader Kevin McCarthy offered fresh concessions on Wednesday evening in an attempt to keep his speakership bid alive, multiple GOP sources told Axios.
Between the lines: It's unclear whether the 20 House GOP rebels will accept the offer, although one GOP member called the plan "an amazing deal they'd be dumb to turn down."
McCarthy's proposal, according to sources familiar with the plan:
One member motion to vacate, instead of five.
More House Freedom Caucus members on the House Rules Committee.
Promises to hold votes on controversial term limit and border security bills.
What's next: The House resumes at noon eastern time on Thursday.
CNN reported details of the concessions earlier on Wednesday evening.
Source: https://www.axios.com/2023/01/05/kevin-mccarthy-concessions-speaker-vote
Not a fan of the holdouts, but Hannity never lets others finish a sentence unless it advances whatever narrative he supports.
That's a damn fair deal. If McCarthy doesn't do what he's promised, they have the ability to move to vacate the chair and force a new election. That seems a very reasonable compromise to end this stuff and move on.
The problem is that the Gaetz faction has let their rhetoric and emotions ratchet up to the point where they've put their personal egos/prestige on the line, and may not be able to back down even if it's a fair deal. Just a really bad thing to do in any organization.
Not a fan of the holdouts, but Hannity never lets others finish a sentence unless it advances whatever narrative he supports.
And then there's this
Elon Musk Backs Kevin McCarthy for House Speaker
Twitter owner and CEO Elon Musk has publicly backed House Republican leader Kevin McCarthy to become Speaker of the House, using social media Thursday morning to offer his support.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/01/05/elon-musk-backs-kevin-mccarthy-for-house-speaker/
Michael J. Morrison
@OfficeOfMike
Replying to @RepMTG
The plan is to stop McCarthy.
Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene
@RepMTG
The plan is to stop the Democrats!!!
Wake up to political reality and remember who the enemy is.
1:43 PM · Jan 4, 2023
The concessions McCarthy made are significant. Axios and Politico Playbook reported:
One member motion threshold needed to force a vote ousting a speaker, instead of five.
More House Freedom Caucus members on the House Rules Committee (two seats).
Pledges to hold votes on lawmaker term limit and border security bills.
Major changes to the appropriations process to prevent another omnibus bill by allowing floor amendments to be offered by any lawmaker.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/01/05/kevin-mccarthy-gives-4-more-concessions-before-thursdays-speakership-vote/
McCarthy and company provably will not stop the democrats.
Then vote to vacate the Chair.
Then vote to vacate the Chair.
The concessions McCarthy made are significant. Axios and Politico Playbook reported:
One member motion threshold needed to force a vote ousting a speaker, instead of five.
More House Freedom Caucus members on the House Rules Committee (two seats).
Pledges to hold votes on lawmaker term limit and border security bills.
Major changes to the appropriations process to prevent another omnibus bill by allowing floor amendments to be offered by any lawmaker.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/01/05/kevin-mccarthy-gives-4-more-concessions-before-thursdays-speakership-vote/
https://twitter.com/BoSnerdley/status/1610668939633098758@Right_in_Virginia
https://twitter.com/BoSnerdley/status/1610668939633098758
Instead you give Hannity credibility. :silly:
No, just hand it to the guy who has the most votes. I mean, isn't that the way we usually run things?
Acting like royalty is when you have the fewest votes but believe everyone else should cater to you anyway.
These 20 Conservative renegades are not afraid of lack of committee assignments and/or campaign money for their next cycle unlike the 200 other pu$$ys who are hedging their bets for McCarthy.
Then what is the point of electing him if he's going to just screw us all and have to be removed? Because Trump endorsed him?
This is why Conservatives should stop supporting Republicans.
This is who folks are betting the farm on. In this rambling, incoherent diatribe Boebert not only proves there is no plan . . ..
These 20 Conservative renegades are not afraid of lack of committee assignments and/or campaign money for their next cycle unlike the 200 other pu$$ys who are hedging their bets for McCarthy.
No, just hand it to the guy who has the most votes. I mean, isn't that the way we usually run things?
Acting like royalty is when you have the fewest votes but believe everyone else should cater to you anyway.
I am getting close.
Gaetz fights back tsunami of critics after tense day, brutally guts Trey Gowdy
You act like royalty when you tell people to make you boss because you said so, and offer nothing, or crumbs.
Majority plus 1 is the rules. If you don't like it, don't play. Refer all moral pontification to the worship center of your choice.
Gaetz fights back tsunami of critics after tense day, brutally guts Trey Gowdy
January 5, 2023 | Chris Donaldson
The coronation of Kevin McCarthy as the next Speaker of the House continues to drag on after a the embattled Californian came out on the short end of the sixth vote on Wednesday night, leading to increased sniping at his conservative opponents.
One vocal lawmaker who is dug in against the “Speaker Designate” is Rep. Matt Gaetz and the Florida Republican discussed the stalemate with Fox News as the voting will enter a third day with McCarthy’s supporters in Congress and the media fuming over his humiliation.
Gaetz talked with anchor Trace Gallagher on “Fox News at Night” where he said that the only way that the resistance ends is with McCarthy either stepping aside or accepting the holdouts’ proposals.
Responding to Gallagher’s statement that McCarthy didn’t want another vote on Wednesday out of the belief that he’s getting closer to the magic number and whether it’s a fair assessment, Gaetz dismissed the idea.
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2023/01/05/gaetz-fights-back-tsunami-of-critics-after-tense-day-brutally-guts-trey-gowdy-1322378/
“There’s a reason Kevin McCarthy doesn’t want to continue having votes and it’s because with each vote, he seems to be decreasing in his vote share and we’ve only increased with votes in our vote share in opposition to Kevin McCarthy,” Gaetz said. “We suspect that trend is likely to continue.”
“And I think this ends one of two ways, Trace, either Kevin bows out, realizing there’s no path for him to become speaker of the House even if he picks up one, two or three or five of the twenty who have opposed him a half dozen times on the floor, or he essentially has to wake up, bring the House into session, and put on a straitjacket with a rules package that we presented to him that doesn’t allow a lot of discretion for the Speaker of the House,” he continued.
I agree with this @Maj. Bill Martin it's pretty much that way with all show hosts (which is why I'm loathe to watch any of them).
But, Boebert knows this, too, and she couldn't or wouldn't answer one question. I think that's unacceptable when you're holding the Congress hostage ----- itemize your demands and just what you're holding out for "for as long as it takes".
I also think asking her at what point she stands down because she hasn't a candidate or the votes was fair.
@Right_in_Virginia
Snerdley probably has the best argument to channel the ghost of Rush Limbaugh than anyone else on earth... Even Levin. I mean they were inseparable as radio partners for 40 years.......
Instead you give Hannity credibility. :silly:
Heroes sometimes kill dragons, but why that is such a romantic notion is because most of the time, the dragons kill the heroes. Be happy if they live to fight another day...
If these concessions are all they ever get, be content - because that alone was such a fat finger of rebellion against the 'Man', that it's like is seldom seen.
Well...except she kind of did answer his question. He just didn't like the answer.
Her answer was that a lot of McCarthy's support is soft, and would be more than willing to vote for a different speaker. So, she says McCarthy should step aside so that someone with broader support could take the position. He wasn't willing to address that point, so he pretended she never made it.
I think there are some pretty good responses to her answer -- specifically, even if 100-150 are willing to support someone else, that still leaves you unable to get to 218. Maybe it isn't possible to find a Speaker on which 218 agree, so you just agree to resolve it with a majority vote, with everyone supporting the winner. She obviously won't agree to that, but at least that would have been a response by Hannity.
Instead, he just kept repeating his own talking points right over her.
A one-member “motion to vacate”: The GOP leader appears to have finally acquiesced to a demand to lower the threshold needed to force a vote ousting a speaker to just one member. While McCarthy originally indicated that restoring the one-member “motion to vacate” was a red line, his allies now argue that there’s not a huge practical difference between this and his previous offer of requiring five members to trigger the vote.
Rules Committee seats for the Freedom Caucus: McCarthy is prepared to give the House Freedom Caucus two seats on the powerful House Rules Committee, which oversees the amendment process for the floor. (Some conservatives are still holding out for four seats on the panel.) There are also talks about giving a third seat to a conservative close to the Freedom Caucus but not in it — someone like Reps. THOMAS MASSIE (R-Ky.). Who will pick those members? We’re told there is ongoing haggling. Typically, it’s the speaker’s prerogative, but conservatives want to choose their own members for these jobs.
A vote on term limits: This is a key demand of Rep. RALPH NORMAN (R-S.C.), who has proposed a constitutional amendment limiting lawmakers to three terms in the House.
Major changes to the appropriations process: Fears of another trillion-plus-dollar omnibus spending bill have been a major driver of the conservative backlash to McCarthy. The brewing deal includes a promise for standalone votes on each of the 12 yearly appropriations bills, which would be considered under what is known as an “open rule,” allowing floor amendments to be offered by any lawmaker. Conservatives also won a concession to carve out any earmarks included in those packages for separate votes, though it’s unclear if they’d be voted on as one package or separately.
Well...except she kind of did answer his question. He just didn't like the answer.
Her answer was that a lot of McCarthy's support is soft, and would be more than willing to vote for a different speaker.
Don't shoot the messenger @catfish1957 ---- me or Hannity. One doesn't have to like either to acknowledge Boebert came off as a lightweight clown in the interview.
Don't shoot the messenger @catfish1957 ---- me or Hannity. One doesn't have to like either to acknowledge Boebert came off as a lightweight clown in the interview.
Hannity came off as one who solidly backs the Swamp Establishment. And Boebert came off as someone willing to fight against the Swamp Establishment.
These 21 House members are my champions - not Kevin McCarthy. And I don't give a damn for any GOP Establishment bastards who are upset by it.
Numerous prominent conservatives signed a letter encouraging GOP representatives to join their 20 fellow members of Congress in opposing Rep. Kevin McCarthy of California’s bid for speaker of the House.
The signees included Edwin Meese III, former attorney general for Ronald Reagan, Ginni Thomas, president of Liberty Consulting and wife of Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas and Jim DeMint, chairman of the Conservative Partnership Institute and former U.S. senator.
“By failing to deliver any meaningful victories or pushback against the progressive, anti-American movement, the Republican Party has become the party of losing,” American Principles Project President Terry Schilling, who also signed the letter, told the Daily Caller News Foundation.
You act like royalty when you tell people to make you boss because you said so, and offer nothing, or crumbs.
YEP. No surprise that you and I are in grand agreement. :beer:
Acknowlededged. And the fact she won her last election by dozens, and is one of POTUS Trump's biggest supporters. I'd say politically she is a Dead Chick Walking.
Especially after this, maybe her. most watched interview ever.
I'd like to throw out a wild ass scenario, just for S & G's for "what if's"
Which scenario results in the longest term damage to the conservative effort?
(1) Vacate the Seat, let a dim take, let them be blamed for results
or:
(2) McCarthy becomes Speaker, pretty much comes up with the same agenda via capitualtion, and the GOP/Conservatives gets blamed.
Not advocating for either... just asking.
The creamy RINO center of the Republican Party IS soft - Step-and-fetch-it for whichever way the wind is blowing. They stand upon sand and are worried only for their position and being in the shadow of power. Were the Conservatives to ascend, you can bet money the lion's share of the middle would immediately go hard right.
How would you like it if you were one of those other 200 votes, and you saw a disproportionate share of powerful committee assignments going to a small group, plus caving in on all the rules demands you don't support?
If you have 200 members of the Republican Caucus voting one way, and 20 voting the other, it's the 20 who seem closer to the definition of a "RINO".
No, because it gets you past this impasse.
I'd like to throw out a wild ass scenario, just for S & G's for "what if's"
Which scenario results in the longest term damage to the conservative effort?
(1) Vacate the Seat, let a dim take, let them be blamed for results
or:
(2) McCarthy becomes Speaker, pretty much comes up with the same agenda via capitualtion, and the GOP/Conservatives gets blamed.
Not advocating for either... just asking.
If you have 200 members of the Republican Caucus voting one way, and 20 voting the other, it's the 20 who seem closer to the definition of a "RINO".
How will you like it when the 200 get all the committee assignments while the 20 are completely shut out of everything? Maybe McCarthy should try honey instead of vinegar.
I'd like to throw out a wild ass scenario, just for S & G's for "what if's"
Which scenario results in the longest term damage to the conservative effort?
(1) Vacate the Seat, let a dim take, let them be blamed for results
or:
(2) McCarthy becomes Speaker, pretty much comes up with the same agenda via capitualtion, and the GOP/Conservatives gets blamed.
Not advocating for either... just asking.
Seems to me they're standing up for a specific goal to lock down the rules and not let McCarthy get away with just platitudes.
If McCarthy can't stand for that, why should anyone vote for him?
And let's not forget, McCarthy is on record saying that if he has at least four other votes with him, he's gonna keep running till he wins.
How many votes before he backs down?
Gaetz talked with anchor Trace Gallagher on “Fox News at Night” where he said that the only way that the resistance ends is with McCarthy either stepping aside or accepting the holdouts’ proposals.
Six one way. A half dozen the other.
I think McCarthy fears a major photo-op of vacating the Speakers office in shame. He can't back down.
An impasse to everything that has been destroying America for the last 75 years. Been the best two days of Congressional action in my lifetime.
If you have 200 members of the Republican Caucus voting one way, and 20 voting the other, it's the 20 who seem closer to the definition of a "RINO".
An impasse to everything that has been destroying America for the last 75 years. Been the best two days of Congressional action in my lifetime.
Needs repeating and in. a bigger font, in case anyone doesn't thinks that McCarthy is only in it for McCarthy!!!!!!
I don't believe that is true, but the irony in all of this is that the rules changes demanded by the dissenters to give more power to the minority will most help the largest minority in the House, which are the Democrats. If you put a straightjacket on the Speaker, you're going to see a more powerful Democratic minority trying to co-opt the 4-5 most liberal members of the GOP Caucus on a range of stuff, and the Speaker won't have the ability to shut it down.
Here’s what those concessions look like.QuoteA one-member “motion to vacate”: The GOP leader appears to have finally acquiesced to a demand to lower the threshold needed to force a vote ousting a speaker to just one member. While McCarthy originally indicated that restoring the one-member “motion to vacate” was a red line, his allies now argue that there’s not a huge practical difference between this and his previous offer of requiring five members to trigger the vote.
Rules Committee seats for the Freedom Caucus: McCarthy is prepared to give the House Freedom Caucus two seats on the powerful House Rules Committee, which oversees the amendment process for the floor. (Some conservatives are still holding out for four seats on the panel.) There are also talks about giving a third seat to a conservative close to the Freedom Caucus but not in it — someone like Reps. THOMAS MASSIE (R-Ky.). Who will pick those members? We’re told there is ongoing haggling. Typically, it’s the speaker’s prerogative, but conservatives want to choose their own members for these jobs.
A vote on term limits: This is a key demand of Rep. RALPH NORMAN (R-S.C.), who has proposed a constitutional amendment limiting lawmakers to three terms in the House.
Major changes to the appropriations process: Fears of another trillion-plus-dollar omnibus spending bill have been a major driver of the conservative backlash to McCarthy. The brewing deal includes a promise for standalone votes on each of the 12 yearly appropriations bills, which would be considered under what is known as an “open rule,” allowing floor amendments to be offered by any lawmaker. Conservatives also won a concession to carve out any earmarks included in those packages for separate votes, though it’s unclear if they’d be voted on as one package or separately.
Close. Doesn't beat the '94, but other than that...
Here's the thing....
Given a Democratic Senate and Democratic President, a GOP House wasn't going to be able to enact any conservative legislation anyway. We were pretty much going to have an impasse for the next two years no matter what.
I don't even like McCarthy and I'd support him in that. I just absolutely detest the idea of this 20 trying to dictate to the other 200 members of the caucus. If the argument is "well, if you can't get to 218 then you really aren't a leader", then that argument applies equally to whomever runs against McCarthy, and can be used by any small faction -- including McCarthy and his 4 supporters -- that doesn't get exactly what they want. I'd support McCarthy just in principle.
Here's the thing....
Given a Democratic Senate and Democratic President, a GOP House wasn't going to be able to enact any conservative legislation anyway. We were pretty much going to have an impasse for the next two years no matter what.
AGREED. Which is why I am a Republican no more. They give lip service to conservative principles when they need to be elected - but that's the only time... Other than a hardy few --- These among them.
My goal isn't to enact Conservative legislation. My goal is to stop enacting liberal legislation. Congress doing nothing is a win.
If McCarthy can't agree with these, then he should have the integrity to resign and become a Democrat.
And '94 ended up being eyewash. Newt folded to Clinton like a cheap tent when the chips were down
I'm totally fine with that. My point is that if these 20 aren't willing to abide by what the overwhelming majority of the caucus voted for, and are instead making special demands way out of proportions to their numbers, then perhaps they shouldn't have run as Republicans at all in the first place so there wouldn't be any implied obligation to support the majority choice of the caucus.
Gartz himself has used the word "Uniparty", which essentially means he sees no difference between Republicans and Democrats. Okay, fine. Then you shouldn't have run as a Republican.
implied obligation is only implied. And if they got railroaded in conference, and got McCarthy shoved down their throats, then the only rebellion they get is right here right now. And more power to em.
I've found the MTG-MCarthy alliance has been especially fascinating. She's either decided to be 100.000% in lockstep with Trump, or after being stripped of committee assignments desperate to get back into good graces with the powers that be (Swamp).
I know, I have lost a lot of respect for some of the garbage she's Tweeted lately.
25 minutes to Daytime Congressional Drama Part III.
I never got that excited about MTG to start with. :shrug:
My goal isn't to enact Conservative legislation. My goal is to stop enacting liberal legislation. Congress doing nothing is a win.
I don't know, I sure liked the Heckling she gave Obama at his SOTU address a number of years back.
Man did I ever despise Obama.
I tend not to get caught up in the drama. I look at actions and record. :shrug:
I've found the MTG-MCarthy alliance has been especially fascinating. She's either decided to be 100.000% in lockstep with Trump, or after being stripped of committee assignments desperate to get back into good graces with the powers that be (Swamp).
I know, I have lost a lot of respect for some of the garbage she's Tweeted lately.
25 minutes to Daytime Congressional Drama Part III.
Exactly instead of obstruction, with McCarthy, we'll be hearing garbage with terms like collaboratipn, bi-partisanship, and cooperation.
Is that what Briefers want? Let's at least get him in on an iron clad committment to stop Biden. Because all I've heard from him thus far, is mixed signals.
I'm totally fine with that. My point is that if these 20 aren't willing to abide by what the overwhelming majority of the caucus voted for, and are instead making special demands way out of proportions to their numbers, then perhaps they shouldn't have run as Republicans at all in the first place so there wouldn't be any implied obligation to support the majority choice of the caucus.
Gartz himself has used the word "Uniparty", which essentially means he sees no difference between Republicans and Democrats. Okay, fine. Then you shouldn't have run as a Republican.
She was on the radio this morning talking about it. Her claim for supporting McCarthy is because no one else wants the job. She also claims that McCarthy has learned a lot in the last two years and will move forward with more antagonism towards Democrats. But if that were really the case, then McCarthy would accept any terms the Conservatives put forth to get his payback.
The one thing that MTG said that made sense was that there was a lot going on behind the scenes and to not listen to the press.
She was on the radio this morning talking about it. Her claim for supporting McCarthy is because no one else wants the job. She also claims that McCarthy has learned a lot in the last two years and will move forward with more antagonism towards Democrats. But if that were really the case, then McCarthy would accept any terms the Conservatives put forth to get his payback.
So you favor a Democracy?
Rare poster, constant lurker but I gotta tell ya, I really like how this Constitutional Republic thing works.
I'm enjoying watching a party NOT hijacked by a singular principle of follow the leader and get along to get along.
I've found the MTG-MCarthy alliance has been especially fascinating. She's either decided to be 100.000% in lockstep with Trump, or after being stripped of committee assignments desperate to get back into good graces with the powers that be (Swamp).
I know, I have lost a lot of respect for some of the garbage she's Tweeted lately.
The problem is that the counterpart to the 30 or so members of the Freedom Caucus are more squishy GOP types on the other end who are unwilling to do things like shut down the government or not raise the debt ceiling. So what is inevitably going to happen is that the hardliners are going to demand things that can't get support from the squishies, and those squishies aren't going to want to shut down the government. And if the hardliners won't budge, the squishies will end up siding with Democrats, and we'll end up with something worse than if we were willing to compromise a bit.
If we want a more conservative Congress, we have to elect a more conservative Congress.
So you favor a Democracy?
Rare poster, constant lurker but I gotta tell ya, I really like how this Constitutional Republic thing works.
I'm enjoying watching a party NOT hijacked by a singular principle of follow the leader and get along to get along.
So you favor a Democracy?
Rare poster, constant lurker but I gotta tell ya, I really like how this Constitutional Republic thing works.
I'm enjoying watching a party NOT hijacked by a singular principle of follow the leader and get along to get along.
So you favor a Democracy?
So you favor a Democracy?
Rare poster, constant lurker but I gotta tell ya, I really like how this Constitutional Republic thing works.
I'm enjoying watching a party NOT hijacked by a singular principle of follow the leader and get along to get along.
There are 200 other members of that caucus who aren't going to accept all the prime committee slots going to a small group of dissenters.
So you favor a Democracy?
Rare poster, constant lurker but I gotta tell ya, I really like how this Constitutional Republic thing works.
I'm enjoying watching a party NOT hijacked by a singular principle of follow the leader and get along to get along.
And they’re off!
I'm just now rejoining this thread. It appears the time since the Adjournment last night we've just been fighting over the two sides...
So you favor a Democracy?
Rare poster, constant lurker but I gotta tell ya, I really like how this Constitutional Republic thing works.
I'm enjoying watching a party NOT hijacked by a singular principle of follow the leader and get along to get along.
Nawww.... just spirited discussion.... :cool:
Anyone got a C-Span link handy?
Nawww.... just spirited discussion.... :cool:
Anyone got a C-Span link handy?
I'll take grinding this out over coronations, empty suits, helmet hair, flag waving, and back slapping. This has been refreshing.
You seem to be upset that Conservatives are trying to gain a foothold in the Republican Party.
So you favor a Democracy?
Rare poster, constant lurker but I gotta tell ya, I really like how this Constitutional Republic thing works.
I'm enjoying watching a party NOT hijacked by a singular principle of follow the leader and get along to get along.
Guy Benson
@guypbenson
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John James (R-MI), nominates McCarthy ahead of the 7th ballot, giving the best nominating speech thus far.
Uh, no. We're talking about the House of Representatives, right?
No, I'd rather elect more of them, in general.
You do realize that McCarthy/McConnell/McDaniel have been working diligently to prevent that from happening, right?
Yes, I believe we are.
If you still prefer electing a Speaker by simple majority--We would Get Hakeem Jeffries as illustrated by all previous 6 votes.
Apparently someone much smarter than me decided simple majority is fine but "only" by the majority party in electing a speaker.
You're much wiser than I so I'm sure I left holes in my analysis you can contend.
McCarthy will go down again.
McCarthy will go down again.
McCarthy will go down again.
We basically do the same thing with primaries. And I've never had much use for the kind of politician that chooses to belong to a party, participates in primaries, but then won't support the winner if it doesn't happen to be him.
We basically do the same thing with primaries. And I've never had much use for the kind of politician that chooses to belong to a party, participates in primaries, but then won't support the winner if it doesn't happen to be him.
McCarthy will go down again.
Yep. Stubborn fool.
What they're not accepting is Establishment-business-as-usual. And for that they have earned my praise.
We basically do the same thing with primaries. And I've never had much use for the kind of politician that chooses to belong to a party, participates in primaries, but then won't support the winner if it doesn't happen to be him.
Guy Benson
@guypbenson
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11s
John James (R-MI), nominates McCarthy ahead of the 7th ballot, giving the best nominating speech thus far.
Geatz just voted for Trump
Freakin' Gaetz. What an AH.He has proven himself to me. I'd vote FOR him in a heartbeat.
He has proven himself to me. I'd vote FOR him in a heartbeat.
DJT as Speaker?
We basically do the same thing with primaries. And I've never had much use for the kind of politician that chooses to belong to a party, participates in primaries, but then won't support the winner if it doesn't happen to be him.
DJT as Speaker? No thanks.....
Kinda wondering at the inside baseball here. Has McCarthy not moved and blew the dissenters off again, or something else?
Freakin' Gaetz. What an AH.
So, what is the end-game here? Is a democrat speaker, or one beholden to the democrats, really preferable?
So, what is the end-game here? Is a democrat speaker, or one beholden to the democrats, really preferable?
Can't really blame him. It's not like he's gonna get kicked off any committees.
I personally don't care who the speaker is so long as the RULES get fixed so that the speaker cannot be a dictator.
House Speaker election.... Day 3
And that will happen if McCarthy cuts a deal with the democrats? Or if a democrat becomes the speaker?Oh! Hell no! And I never said it would.
Oh! Hell no! And I never said it would.
So, at this point, what is more likely: that McCarthy will agree to handcuffs, and all the other demands of the holdouts, or that he will cut a deal with the democrats?
So, at this point, what is more likely: that McCarthy will agree to handcuffs, and all the other demands of the holdouts, or that he will cut a deal with the democrats?
McCarthy won't be able to cut a deal with Democrats. More likely, Democrats will be able to find six other Republicans to support another GOP Rep that they have more dirt on.
The bigger question is why McCarthy refuses to cut a deal with Conservatives.
So, what is the end-game here? Is a democrat speaker, or one beholden to the democrats, really preferable?
Geatz just voted for Trump
Of course he did. Because it's all just theater and a big joke to him.
Did McCarthy gain a vote from the last time?
Did McCarthy gain a vote from the last time?
McCarthy Votes (218 needed)
Ballot #
1- 203
2- 203
3- 202
4- 201
5- 201
6- 201
7- 201
:thud:
Thanks @catfish1957
Will Kevin want to adjourn now?
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Why won’t he be able to cut a deal with the democrats?
And if he doesn’t, and the democrats peel off a couple of GOP votes for their own choice, is that choice going to be preferable to McCarthy?
I am in tears. Twenty-one Republicans standing on principle, refusing to bend. This is a beautiful moment.
He obviously won't be getting to the 218 with the vitriol flowing now.
Over/Under on the number of Chairmenships McCarthy offers to the dims to broker a deal?
He obviously won't be getting to the 218 with the vitriol flowing now.
How rich that would be. Make it like pulling hens teeth to give up anything to Conservatives, but just hand over to the Rats and end up worse.
And I think he might be that desperate.
I heard a Rep say earlier that there were 6 or 7 members who hated McCarthy's guts and would never vote for him no matter what. As stated earlier, a degree of humility would go a long way here. Give up the concessions, apologize to the 6 or 7, and he will eventually get the votes. Six or seven Republicans won't hold this up forever. But 20 will.
Over/Under on the number of Chairmenships McCarthy offers to the dims to broker a deal?
He obviously won't be getting to the 218 with the vitriol flowing now.
McCarthy would be willing. It is the Democrats that would take a pass on him for something better.
Yes. There are Republicans out there that have much bigger skeletons in their closets than McCarthy.
Democrats won't make a deal with McCarthy.
But the Democrats might well go for someone like Justin Amash, who apparently is in the building. Peel off 5 moderate Republicans, and they've got a "neutral" Speaker. Something like that could come out of nowhere, too. Dem gets up, nominated Amash, and then the vote starts. 5 Republicans jump ship, and it's over.
Victory for Gaetz' crew, I suppose, because they succeed in stopping McCarthy.
Why is that preferable to having McCarthy as speaker?
For the Democrats, yes.
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That was a question: why is having a speaker who was put there by democrats - with all the quid-pro-quos that implies - better than having McCarthy as speaker?
And who is to say that the democrats would select a republican to nominate? Why not select a democrat who leans far enough to the right that 5 or 6 of the most liberal republicans will vote for them as a "unity" speaker to get past the impasse?
Wonder how we will keep up after 15?
Who did Boebert just vote for?
Because it would be someone of their choosing, and the payback would be greater. Their GOP Speaker would owe them for 212 votes. McCarthy would only owe them for 6.
Either way, the Democrats get someone better than McCarthy. Whether right-leaning Dem or left-leaning GOP, the Democrats still get someone they can control.
Who did Boebert just vote for?
Kevin Hern (OK)
Who is that?
Enough of the obscurity.
Who is that?
Enough of the obscurity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Hern
@Hoodat
Thanks...
Fail to see the strategy of voting for someone who has supported McCarthy since Ballot 1.
I am in tears. Twenty-one Republicans standing on principle, refusing to bend. This is a beautiful moment.
All I'm hearing are reasons why this would be a great deal for the democrats, and a truly sucky deal for the recalcitrant 21. I rather doubt the democrats will give them a single one of their demands, simply because it was their recalcitrance that allowed the democrats to put forward a true wolf in sheeps' clothing.
A Primer: Kevin McCarthy’s Olive Branches to Conservatives
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/01/05/a-primer-kevin-mccarthys-olive-branches-to-conservatives/
Rep. Warren Davidson (R-OH) outlined many of the concessions that McCarthy has given conservatives:
“Andrew Clyde’s proposal to restore public access to the Capitol”
“Lauren Boebert’s proposal to reduce the linkage between the NRCC and the steering committee process”
“Gary Palmer’s proposal to cap spending on suspension bills”
“Ralph Norman’s proposal to limit leadership reports and make conference more about engaging all members”
“Chip Roy’s proposal to provide a five-day notice for suspension votes”
“Dan Bishop’s proposal in privileged resolutions”
“Scott Perry’s proposal for additional conference meetings ahead of key votes”
“Bob Good’s proposal on stand alone appropriations bills”
“Andy Biggs’ proposal limiting suspension waivers from committees”
“Chip Roy’s proposal to make cosponsored amendments in order”
A Primer: Kevin McCarthy’s Olive Branches to Conservatives
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/01/05/a-primer-kevin-mccarthys-olive-branches-to-conservatives/
I am a MAGA Republican and now a hard core Ron Desantis supporter. I deeply admire and respect President Trump and his incredible voice and accomplishments. I’ve voted Republican all my life and my conservative credentials are rock solid.
Hell, I don’t like McCarthy at all…but it wasn’t McCarthy who has handed the country to the Dems. Rather, these 20 clowns have destroyed the electoral hopes of Conservatism for a decade at least…possibly for a full generations worth of voters. Any hope for accountability, conservative legislation, and winning congress and the White House are ruined…and not just for 2024. They have essentially destroyed any belief in the credibility and competence of Conservatives and Republicans in the United States.
We must never forgive or forget…and these morons must be primaried and politically gutted from the Right.
You dip$hits have surrendered us all to the far Left. Great work…and some of you are dumb enough to celebrate the end of Conservatism in our government. And making dimwitted assertions like “Better Pelosi than McCarthy” are not declarations of principle, they simply demonstrate moronic delusion and disturbing ignorance of the political spectrum.
For my part, I am now dedicated to getting Andy Biggs primaried and removed in 2024. I’m one small voice here in AZ, but I will do all that I can to make that happen. I suspect many other conservatives will join with me.
A Primer: Kevin McCarthy’s Olive Branches to Conservatives
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/01/05/a-primer-kevin-mccarthys-olive-branches-to-conservatives/
I am a MAGA Republican and now a hard core Ron Desantis supporter. I deeply admire and respect President Trump and his incredible voice and accomplishments. I’ve voted Republican all my life and my conservative credentials are rock solid.
Hell, I don’t like McCarthy at all…but it wasn’t McCarthy who has handed the country to the Dems. Rather, these 20 clowns have destroyed the electoral hopes of Conservatism for a decade at least…possibly for a full generations worth of voters. Any hope for accountability, conservative legislation, and winning congress and the White House are ruined…and not just for 2024. They have essentially destroyed any belief in the credibility and competence of Conservatives and Republicans in the United States.
We must never forgive or forget…and these morons must be primaried and politically gutted from the Right.
You dip$hits have surrendered us all to the far Left. Great work…and some of you are dumb enough to celebrate the end of Conservatism in our government. And making dimwitted assertions like “Better Pelosi than McCarthy” are not declarations of principle, they simply demonstrate moronic delusion and disturbing ignorance of the political spectrum.
For my part, I am now dedicated to getting Andy Biggs primaried and removed in 2024. I’m one small voice here in AZ, but I will do all that I can to make that happen. I suspect many other conservatives will join with me.
I'm in line with most of what you said, right down to "morans".
I was thinking we need 200 more of these "morons", not "politically gutted from the right"--they ARE the right.
Status quo is the left, imo.
They aren't destroying Conservatism, they're defining it.
I am a MAGA Republican and now a hard core Ron Desantis supporter. I deeply admire and respect President Trump and his incredible voice and accomplishments. I’ve voted Republican all my life and my conservative credentials are rock solid.
Hell, I don’t like McCarthy at all…but it wasn’t McCarthy who has handed the country to the Dems. Rather, these 20 clowns have destroyed the electoral hopes of Conservatism for a decade at least…possibly for a full generations worth of voters. Any hope for accountability, conservative legislation, and winning congress and the White House are ruined…and not just for 2024. They have essentially destroyed any belief in the credibility and competence of Conservatives and Republicans in the United States.
We must never forgive or forget…and these morons must be primaried and politically gutted from the Right.
You dip$hits have surrendered us all to the far Left. Great work…and some of you are dumb enough to celebrate the end of Conservatism in our government. And making dimwitted assertions like “Better Pelosi than McCarthy” are not declarations of principle, they simply demonstrate moronic delusion and disturbing ignorance of the political spectrum.
For my part, I am now dedicated to getting Andy Biggs primaried and removed in 2024. I’m one small voice here in AZ, but I will do all that I can to make that happen. I suspect many other conservatives will join with me.
Andy Biggs is my rep and I fully support what he's doing. And I will do what I can to stop the likes of you trying to primary him.
Andy Biggs is my rep and I fully support what he's doing. And I will do what I can to stop the likes of you trying to primary him.
A Primer: Kevin McCarthy’s Olive Branches to Conservatives
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/01/05/a-primer-kevin-mccarthys-olive-branches-to-conservatives/
If McCarthy truly agreed to these terms, then there wouldn't be 21 Republicans voting against him.
I was thinking we need 200 more of these "morons", not "politically gutted from the right"--they ARE the right.
Status quo is the left, imo.
They aren't destroying Conservatism, they're defining it.
I'm in line with most of what you said, right down to "morans".
I was thinking we need 200 more of these "morons", not "politically gutted from the right"--they ARE the right.
Status quo is the left, imo.
They aren't destroying Conservatism, they're defining it.
I'm in line with most of what you said, right down to "morans".
I was thinking we need 200 more of these "morons", not "politically gutted from the right"--they ARE the right.
Status quo is the left, imo.
They aren't destroying Conservatism, they're defining it.
Dittos. Gosar is my guy and he's one of the 21 holding firm. Mrs. Liberty has his cell number and she's been texting him to hold that line.
Biggs gave maybe the strongest most thoughtful nominating speech in the past 3 days, and we have a Briefer who wants to "Primary" this super solid conservative?
Says a lot doesn't it?
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Good. Let him know that he’s losing votes every day. Many of us want the Dems held accountable…not a pointless damn fiasco that makes all Republicans look like dimwitted incompetents.
Tell me…who is “their” candidate for the Speakership? No one seems to know as it keeps changing? They want McCarthy out, yet offer no one capable CNN of getting more than 22 votes…that defines the stupidity of this whole egotistical mess.
Good. Let him know that he’s losing votes every day. Lost 5 in my household already…and he sure ain’t gaining support from anywhere…so what’s the goal here? Many of us want the Dems held accountable…not a pointless damn fiasco that makes all Republicans look like dimwitted incompetents.
Tell me…who is “their” candidate for the Speakership? No one seems to know as it keeps changing? They want McCarthy out, yet offer no one capable CNN of getting more than 22 votes…that defines the stupidity of this whole egotistical mess.
They call us "Terrorists."
Don't say another word - let me get my chest waders on first...
McCarthy doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.
McCarthy doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.
Before you do that…feel free to let us know who the “20” morons are wanting to be Speaker.
That false dichotomy isn't even in the ballpark of reality. You're supporting a 8 time loser. Be a leader, make some deals, live with the consequences. Leave the moral sanctimony at the worship center of your choice.
That false dichotomy isn't even in the ballpark of reality. You're supporting a 8 time loser. Be a leader, make some deals, live with the consequences. Leave the moral sanctimony at the worship center of your choice.
Can't the same be said for Gaetz?
Can't the same be said for Gaetz?
I'm not telling Gosar a lie in order to get a traitor elected speaker. He's not "losing votes," we are the reddest County in the state. Sorry, I don't play that game.
McCarthy is the one who wants Speaker. Be a leader and figure it out what it's going to take, and live with the consequences. Nobody owes him anything.
AND... Loudly proclaimed he'd go scorched earth ,burn down this institution and fight until he had 4 people standing with him.
It’s not a lie. As I said I personally know 5 he and/or Biggs have already lost. I have relative in Texas and Colorado equally disgusted by this fiasco. All I’m asking is you to tell him the truth. My god man…who do u think is being swayed into voting FOR these guys by this idiocy? Those like yourself are ALREADY doing so…but many who joined in the last few elections absolutely won’t be doing so in 2024. That’s no lie, it’s a simple truth.
Whoever this is speaking right now is knocking pitch after of pitch dead center right out of the park.
Whoever this is speaking right now is knocking pitch after of pitch dead center right out of the park.
It’s not a lie. As I said I personally know 5 he and/or Biggs have already lost. I have relative in Texas and Colorado equally disgusted by this fiasco. All I’m asking is you to tell him the truth. My god man…who do u think is being swayed into voting FOR these guys by this idiocy? Those like yourself are ALREADY doing so…but many who joined in the last few elections absolutely won’t be doing so in 2024. That’s no lie, it’s a simple truth.
McCarthy is the one who wants Speaker. Be a leader and figure it out what it's going to take, and live with the consequences. Nobody owes him anything.
Rosendale of Montana. He was very powerful. I’d like to see him as Speaker.
If establishment hacks such as yourself weren't so hellbent from blocking Conservatives from taking office, McCarthy would have more votes to play with.
Sterling example of putting self interest above Party and Country.
You are being disgusted at the wrong people. You should be PO'ed at 30 years of betrayal.
The problem is that what it might "take" to get enough of those 20 may be too much for some of his other 200 supporters. I'd imagine they're not all that keen on giving holdouts the cream of the committee assignments rather than distributing them more evenly.
If the demands of the 20 are too much for the other 200...that's just a stalemate.
30 years of betrayal isn't on the ballot for Speaker.
I don't recall him proclaiming that loudly, or even saying it period. Or did I miss that statement?
Rosendale of Montana. He was very powerful. I’d like to see him as Speaker.
Rosendale of Montana. He was very powerful. I’d like to see him as Speaker.
I am in tears. Twenty-one Republicans standing on principle, refusing to bend. This is a beautiful moment.
This is absolute stupidity on steroids. Let's say the Gang of 20 get what they want - McCarthy withdraws.
OK, what happens next? Only one thing is reasonably possible: Hakeem Jeffries becomes the Speaker of the House.
Why? Because there is no one else among House Republicans who will get more than the Democrats' 212 votes. They will divide their votes among various candidates, because the chance of them agreeing on any one person in lockstep, like the Democrats is nil. None. Nada. Not happening.
Idiots.
That's a half slice. If McCarthy made the same deal with Rats there would be no objections from the same 200.
How rich that would be. Make it like pulling hens teeth to give up anything to Conservatives, but just hand over to the Rats and end up worse.
And I think he might be that desperate.
Fact. McCarthy's in big trouble because he failed to get more R's elected last November.
Ok, so every single Republican in the House other than those 20 would have no problem if McCarthy handed the Democrats prime committee chairmanships and extra seats. Great.
Have a Blessed Day!
"Rep Don Bacon (R-NE): “These 20 Republicans are embarrassing the House, the Republicans, and our country… We also have to be willing to consider working with the Democrats at some point.” (Video)
[...] and they've got a "neutral" Speaker.
https://nypost.com/2023/01/03/rep-kevin-mccarthy-says-earned-house-speaker-job/ (https://nypost.com/2023/01/03/rep-kevin-mccarthy-says-earned-house-speaker-job/)
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Rep. Kevin McCarthy told his fellow Republicans “I earned this job” during a heated conference meeting Tuesday morning, just hours before the full chamber was expected to vote on his bid to be speaker of the House.
“I earned this job,” said McCarthy (R-Calif.). “We earned this majority, and God damn it, we are going to win it today.”
However, the GOP leader also admitted that he won’t have the 218 votes likely needed to win on the first ballot, according to CNN, but vowed not to stand down if his initial bid fails.
“I’m not going to go away,” McCarthy said to his colleagues. “I’m going to stand until the last four friends stand with me.”
It takes 218. No way 6 Republicans vote for Jeffries.
Ok, so every single Republican in the House other than those 20 would have no problem if McCarthy handed the Democrats prime committee chairmanships and extra seats. Great.
Have a Blessed Day!
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If McCarthy is capable of that, then the 21 are definitely in the right.
7 anti-McCarthy votes already
This goes to a 10th ballot. Hopefully not today.
I know he said he wasn't going to withdraw. I'm asking about claim that he "loudly proclaimed" he'd "go scorched earth" and would "burn this institution down".
In the first three days of the new Congress, not a single dime has been added to the federal debt.
Wrong.
https://www.usdebtclock.org/index.html?taxpayer
Wrong.
https://www.usdebtclock.org/index.html?taxpayer
Every Establishment-loving, Democrat-compromising, perk-loving, voter-betraying bitch like this can go straight to hell.
They aren't destroying Conservatism, they're defining it.
It takes 218. No way 6 Republicans vote for Jeffries.
Then Gaetz needs to shut his effing mouth. There is fury building among the 200 Republicans being held hostage. Six, it takes just six.
9th vote. Same result.
If you want to be a leader McCarthy, be a damn leader! It's on you to get the votes, not bully and strong arm to get your way because you feel entitled.
Quit bleeding and wailing at those who oppose you. Quit the church bitty sophistry trying to shame your opposition. Find a solution and live with the consequences.
Leadership starts with leading. Crap or get off the pot.
It would be a logical conclusion to the long existing pattern...
A "fury" of more of the same.
Then Gaetz needs to shut his effing mouth. There is fury building among the 200 Republicans being held hostage. Six, it takes just six.
Sure it would. I'm sure Jim Jordan is a huge Pelosi fan.
WRONG!!!!!
No new additonal incremental debt was added. That takes legislation , and budgetary outlay release via GAO.....
Then Gaetz needs to shut his effing mouth. There is fury building among the 200 Republicans being held hostage. Six, it takes just six.
Then Gaetz needs to shut his effing mouth. There is fury building among the 200 Republicans being held hostage. Six, it takes just six.
So the debt on interest just wasn't incurred? Do the bondholders know that?
Dittos. Gosar is my guy and he's one of the 21 holding firm. Mrs. Liberty has his cell number and she's been texting him to hold that line.
Then Gaetz needs to shut his effing mouth.
So the debt on interest just wasn't incurred? Do the bondholders know that?
Tough crap. McCarthy said he will not back down as long as he has 5 or more in his coalition. That's basically saying he's not going to negotiate. He nuked himself right there because nobody can trust a word he says.
He needs to meet with the 21 or a representative and ask them direct what they want. I only put it on they define what they want and enumerate it.
Then there needs to be a public statement on record by McCarthy. No 'yeah yeah yeah' crap. It needs to be formally defined, we are way past informal agreements.
Mark R. Levin
@marklevinshow
Question: should any of the 20 congressmen who took money from McCarthy’s PAC resign? Should they at least return the money? After all, hypocrisy is unprincipled.
12:01 PM · Jan 5, 2023
Mark R. Levin
@marklevinshow
Question: should any of the 20 congressmen who took money from McCarthy’s PAC resign? Should they at least return the money? After all, hypocrisy is unprincipled.
12:01 PM · Jan 5, 2023
Then why doesn't a faction of those 200 ask McCarthy to cede to the likes of Jordon or Scalise.
Negotiations ONLY work if both sides operate in good faith. The 20 morons are not doing so as Hannity exposed so clearly last night.
I'm sure a significant number of the 21 have told him he has to withdraw because they will never vote for him. Doesn't matter what he "offers."
I'm sure a significant number of the 21 have told him he has to withdraw because they will never vote for him. Doesn't matter what he "offers."
You knew what he meant! LOL
Only if you believe Hammity, the RINO Mouthpiece.
So the debt on interest just wasn't incurred? Do the bondholders know that?
Bond debt is a fixed outlay. I hope you knew that.
30 years of betrayal isn't on the ballot for Speaker.
Yes, I do. And he apparently forgot that the appropriations for this year were passed last year. So the current additional spending he claims isn't happening actually is happening because it has already been authorized.
What Congress votes on this year is mostly spending for next year.
Mark R. Levin
@marklevinshow
Question: should any of the 20 congressmen who took money from McCarthy’s PAC resign? Should they at least return the money? After all, hypocrisy is unprincipled.
12:01 PM · Jan 5, 2023
So the current additional spending he claims . . .
Levin has turned into nothing but a bloviating POS.
Nothing brings joy to a conservative's day like finding someone new to ridicule, diminish and hate.
Oh yes it is. Straight outta the moderate wing.
Nothing brings joy to a conservative's day like finding someone new to ridicule, diminish and hate.
Congress fills the Treasury with money they "borrowed", most recently with $1.7 trillion. This is the money that the Executive Branch draws off of until the legislated deadline. So no, the debt won't increase until the next time Congress needs to "borrow" money. And for the last three days, this has not occurred.
Mark R. Levin
@marklevinshow
I heard on Fox that the 20 Republicans are demanding several new rules, including term limits. The only way term limits can be applied to members of Congress under the federal Constitution is by an amendment.
Says the women who loves Trump more than life itself!
Nothing brings joy to a conservative's day like finding someone new to ridicule, diminish and hate.
Okay, I honestly don't know what a single sentence in there actually means. You're mixing up a few different ideas into a stew I can't decipher, so I'll bow out of this.
Hannity's twitter feed was pretty funny today.
His base viewer/listen-ship is not pleased.
Like the Trump lackey who slandered Gaetz as some kind of rapist, pedophile and human trafficker even though a hostile justice system found nothing?
Sounds like more swampy RINO 'get in line' only we can do that crap.
Yep. To think that we have been criticizing #AlwaysTrumpers for their ignorance about Trump being married to the Establishment. Now we realize that it is been because of his marriage to the Establishment that they have supported him.
Bond debt is a fixed outlay. I hope you knew that.
Yes. That continues to accrue regardless of whether any new legislation is passed. And since the statement was "not one dime has been added to the federal debt", well, yes it has. The federal debt is larger today than it was on Tuesday.
C-Span reported that some kind of deal may being worked in the GOP Whip's office.
After the one "guilting" nomination speech today, I don't see it.
Speaking of the GOP Whip, Steve Scalise's ONLY job is to get all the votes in line. He really sucks at his job.
Note this has brought sunlight to all the Pubbies in the closet. We are in a small minority, but that doesn't mean we're letting go of the tiger's tail. I'm hearing many people starting to repeat my line from Tuesday: "If not now, when?"
Like the Trump lackey who slandered Gaetz as some kind of rapist, pedophile and human trafficker even though a hostile justice system found nothing?
OK, then allow me to put it in simpler terms for you. How much in federal spending has Congress appropriated in the past three days?
In any case, the spending that is occurring right now is spending that was authorized last year. So it's happening already.
What this Congress would be debating is spending for next fiscal year, which doesn't happen until October so it wouldn't be happening whether Congress was in session or not.
So our party is so shallow there is no one other than McCarthy that can lead the house?
Is that what these 200 are saying?
I don't know why anyone thinks he is Conservative.
Making up this shit sure is a good example.
:bkmk: Hold the Line Bookmark (I find myself 20 pages behind)... seems my nap turned into 4 hour tour to Gilligan's Island.
:bkmk: Hold the Line Bookmark (I find myself 20 pages behind)... seems my nap turned into 4 hour tour to Gilligan's Island.
Ummm. Because he’s advocated for every important conservative policy position AND supported an endless stream of conservative leaders and candidates.
McCarthy faction pushing the patriotism angle now.
So our party is so shallow there is no one other than McCarthy that can lead the house?
Is that what these 200 are saying?
Well, it's obvious that McCarthy can't lead the house either. :whistle:
You're kidding, right?
You're kidding, right?
Dibs on MaryAnne.
That’s what they seem to be implying. That the man with a 54% Liberty Score is Thee Only One who is capable.
Hey, it sounded good.
Well, then who’s this magical ubermensch these 22 idiots are putting forward to be Speaker? Or are they so full of empty rhetoric, so vacuously self aggrandizing, that they haven’t figured that part out yet?
S'Alright... I'll be over here with Ellie May...
No. Are you?
Than who fudge is?
Who is to say which is the Hill to Die on and for.......
The dim/RINO steamroller has to stop somewhere.
The lady up on Reply 430's not bad!!!
Jordan Schachtel tweeted this out earlier. Perhaps one of these “rebels”.
Liberty Scores of anti-McCarthy GOP rebels:
Andy Biggs 100
Dan Bishop 100
Lauren Boebert 100
M Cloud 91
A Clyde 91
Byron Donalds 100
Matt Gaetz 84
Bob Good 100
Paul Gosar 100
A Harris 84
Mary Miller 95
R Norman 92
S Perry 86
Matt Rosendale 100
Chip Roy 100
Interesting how far some people will go to keep the swamp masters in charge and that resistance to it is only by "morons" and "traitors"...
Kat Cammack not present.
When Hakeem Jeffries becomes Speaker…every single one of you supporting this idiocy need to come here and acknowledge how these 22 morons and you, their supporters, have handed the Left it’s greatest victory over Conservatism in the post war era. You won’t, but you should. Shame.
I'd go down into the low 80's... There ain't no sense in going any lower.
Well that's 5 against McCarthy... A 11th ballot cometh.
When Hakeem Jeffries becomes Speaker…every single one of you supporting this idiocy need to come here and acknowledge how these 22 morons and you, their supporters, have handed the Left it’s greatest victory over Conservatism in the post war era. You won’t, but you should. Shame.
McCarty scored 46 on that Report. 46%! (I might be off, maybe 56%, still an "F")
But surely McCarthy wouldn't enter into another round of voting without working out a deal in advance. No one is that obtuse, right?
And to think he has a marketing degree.
But surely McCarthy wouldn't enter into another round of voting without working out a deal in advance. No one is that obtuse, right?
And to think he has a marketing degree.
When Hakeem Jeffries becomes Speaker…every single one of you supporting this idiocy need to come here and acknowledge how these 22 morons and you, their supporters, have handed the Left it’s greatest victory over Conservatism in the post war era. You won’t, but you should. Shame.
Dan Bishop not present.
Hern is building momentum.
Jordan Schachtel tweeted this out earlier. Perhaps one of these “rebels”.
Liberty Scores of anti-McCarthy GOP rebels:
Andy Biggs 100
Dan Bishop 100
Lauren Boebert 100
M Cloud 91
A Clyde 91
Byron Donalds 100
Matt Gaetz 84
Bob Good 100
Paul Gosar 100
A Harris 84
Mary Miller 95
R Norman 92
S Perry 86
Matt Rosendale 100
Chip Roy 100
MCCARTHY could end this TODAY. McCarthy is the person dragging this out. McCarthy is to blame. Whatever the reason he cannot be elected, whatever it is, McCarthy could end this NOW by stepping aside. But McCarthy refuses to do that.
If Hakeem Jefferies becomes Speaker, I will be blaming the person with the ego too big to step aside for a single vote. The guy that refused some easy concessions to Conservatives again and again and again.
Oh…wait. That already happened and they were crushed with McCarthy winning the caucus in a landslide.
Huh.
Hern is building momentum.
We could really put a dent in the Federal Debt if we could sell tickets and Pay per view of seeing McCarthy and his furniture leaving the Speaker's Office.
Has he hit 200 votes yet?
Then what is the problem? If McCarthy can't even close a deal with Republicans, then how is he going to be able to run the House?
Great. Put them on a ballot in the caucus and see how many votes they get compared to McCarthy.
Oh…wait. That already happened and they were crushed with McCarthy winning the caucus in a landslide.
Huh.
Not as long as the jackbooted threat of getting no committee assignments is in play.
He’s far closer than anyone else towards closing the deal…has someone else gotten more than 20 votes?
They were/are crushed by a system based on entitlement, nothing more.
Not as long as the jackbooted threat of getting no committee assignments is in play.
'Close' only counts with horseshoes and hand grenades.
He’s far closer than anyone else towards closing the deal…has someone else gotten more than 20 votes? Much less 200. So it seems none of these 22 idiots can close a deal either.
The 22 clowns can’t even get near that number….so if 200 don’t count, 22 is just plain embarrassing.
MCCARTHY could end this TODAY. McCarthy is the person dragging this out. McCarthy is to blame. Whatever the reason he cannot be elected, whatever it is, McCarthy could end this NOW by stepping aside. But McCarthy refuses to do that.
McCarthy is willing to take the Republican Party and America down with him. McCarthy is saying, "If I cannot be speaker, then nobody will be speaker. I will just blow the whole thing up!"
The 22 clowns can’t even get near that number….so if 200 don’t count, 22 is just plainembarrassing.Constitutional
I know dang well. And then folks wonder why he's not sufficient. **nononono*
Fixed, I think.
Again, false dichotomy.
Actually, that wouldn't necessarily end it NOW. You'd still have to find someone who could get to 218
The 22 clowns can’t even get near that number….so if 200 don’t count, 22 is just plain embarrassing.
They only need 5 to block McCarthy. They have four times that number. They have a ten-round win streak.
They only need 5 to block McCarthy. They have four times that number. They have a ten-round win streak.
Exactly. The only thing the 21 are trying to win here is either of these two:
- Conservative concessions from McCarthy
or
- McCarthy withdrawal.
Well, there’s 200 blocking whatever imaginary candidate the 22 morons are pushing for.
If not now, when?
This is an "unexpected opportunity." If God ever pointed to "the opportunity," it's now. This is the hill to die on.
https://twitter.com/JakeSherman/status/1611130638572179458
Actually, that wouldn't necessarily end it NOW. You'd still have to find someone who could get to 218, which might be kind of tough considering the hard feelings on both sides. The 200 may only agree to someone else if the 20 drop ALL of their other demands.That may or may not be true. But if McCarthy would get out of the way, we could at least get off this hamster wheel we are running on now. The point is, McCarthy does not seem to care how much damage he is causing. McCarthy in his own head must be the speaker at any costs. No matter what he has to blow up to get there.
Of course, the thing that would end it NOW for certain would be to elect McCarthy.
A dam bursts beginning with but one crack. 10% is a big crack.
A dam bursts beginning with one butt crack. 10% is a big crack.
That may or may not be true. But if McCarthy would get out of the way, we could at least get off this hamster wheel we are running on now. The point is, McCarthy does not seem to care how much damage he is causing. McCarthy in his own head must be the speaker at any costs. No matter what he has to blow up to get there.
4 possible outcomes in order of likelihood.
1) 18 of the 22 morons cave and make a deal. McCarthy becomes Speaker.
2) McCarthy cuts a deal with devil and a dozen Dems vote for him to be Speaker. And McCarthy becomes speaker.
3) Enough Repubs miss a vote and the threshold drops to 212, and Hakeem Jeffries becomes Speaker.
4) 8 RINO’s crossover and join Dems to make…take your pick..Cheney, Kinzinger or some other such filth Speaker of the House.
Theirs is no option in which some member of the Freedom Caucus becomes Speaker.
Worse, in every one of those outcomes, the credibility and perceived competence of Republicans and the conservative cause are devastated for years to come.
Well, there’s 200 blocking whatever imaginary candidate the 22 morons are pushing for.
He’s far closer than anyone else towards closing the deal…has someone else gotten more than 20 votes? Much less 200. So it seems none of these 22 idiots can close a deal either.
No No. 5? McCarthy does the honorable thing and cedes to an alternative? Are you that hell bent on him? Not healthy for a conservative to be that enamored with a RINO.
Ambition is his precious.
No No. 5? McCarthy does the honorable thing and cedes to an alternative? Are you that hell bent on him? Not healthy for a conservative to be that enamored with a RINO.That’s just it. I’m not enamored. I don’t like the man at all…I’m just not willing to destroy Conservatism so I can feel righteous. And make no mistake, the 22 have destroyed our hopes for 2024 at all levels. That’s not melodrama, it’s a practical look at the implications. Some of you are being willfully blind to what this is doing to the future of conservatism….but voters will open your eyes soon enough. We had a real shot at winning across the board in 2024 and that’s been blown to smithereens…so damn right my hair is on fire over this.
Sure looks that way. I asked a question earlier in the thread about how many Freedom Caucus members there are. It was answered in a later post. It appears even they are divided.
Some of you are being willfully blind to what this is doing to the future of conservatism….
He doesn’t care, because he’s not causing the damage. That title goes entirely to the 22 morons.I disagree. McCarthy is obsessed with become speaker which he considers to be his 'divine right'.
Answer me this, @Mesaclone . If you were McCarthy, what would you do to get those 17 votes? Other than calling them "morons".
He’s already offered them essentially everything they’ve asked for…
That’s just it. I’m not enamored. I don’t like the man at all…I’m just not willing to destroy Conservatism so I can feel righteous. And make no mistake, the 22 have destroyed our hopes for 2024 at all levels. That’s not melodrama, it’s a practical look at the implications. Some of you are being willfully blind to what this is doing to the future of conservatism….but voters will open your eyes soon enough. We had a real shot at winning across the board in 2024 and that’s been blown to smithereens…so damn right my hair is on fire over this.
The Kevin McCarthy's of the world have done more damage to Conservatism than the Democrats ever could.
I disagree. McCarthy is obsessed with become speaker which he considers to be his 'divine right'.
He is willing to f**k everything up before he will give it up to anybody else.
McCarthy is a suicide bomber. IT'S EITHER ME OR NOBODY!!
Well, the likes of Chip Roy have been quoted on C-Span that an agreement between McCarthy and the FC rebels might be in the works.
I sure hope so, and things return to normal.
That's right.
If that were true, then he would be Speaker right now.
200 people VOTED FOR HIM TO BE SPEAKER.
Words can not describe how much I detest the Turdle. He's worse than a democrat. He's a traiterous bastard.
Clearly not, as he did
He’s already offered them essentially everything they’ve asked for…minus some obscure request to deny seniority on committee assignments. Ask this…what the he!! concessions have THEY made.
And tell me, what’s the plan when 10-20 RINOs on the left flank of the party make the sse sort of demand? How is ANY Speaker supposed to achieve ANYTHING if the caucus itself won’t honor a voting decision made within the caucus?
200 people VOTED FOR HIM TO BE SPEAKER. This is not McCarthy stubbornly opposing 22 people…it’s 22 people demanding that TWO HUNDRED other Republicans kowtow to them.
That’s part of why I listed that as the most likely outcome in my post above.
Sure looks that way. I asked a question earlier in the thread about how many Freedom Caucus members there are. It was answered in a later post. It appears even they are divided.
I agree with the Critter voting "present". Take it behind doors, find someone that can be elected and take this crazy out of public view. Although entertaining it's really not productive. Make any demands from the dissenters part of the deal.
When they just start throwing out names during the nomination process, it looks like there is no real plan. And I am beginning to think there isn't.
So were you saying the same thing when Manchin was hanging up the Democrat's trillion dollar spending bills by one vote?
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To all the Never Kevins’: you do realize how this is going to end right? McCarthy & the Never Kevin Caucus will cut a deal where he becomes speaker & they get pretty much everything they want so that McCarthy is on a tight leash & politically neutered. Would that be a win?
That's not true. He has given them some of what they asked but not the most important. Didn't you hear the guy from Montana? They want single issue bills. What American doesn't want that? Why wouldn't McCarthy agree to that?
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To all the Never Kevins’: you do realize how this is going to end right? McCarthy & the Never Kevin Caucus will cut a deal where he becomes speaker & they get pretty much everything they want so that McCarthy is on a tight leash & politically neutered. Would that be a win?
If every bill is single issue, it would be physically impossible to vote on each bill even if congress ran 24/7. One finance bill could address thousands of “issues”…so I’d love to know how that’s even possible.
If every bill is single issue, it would be physically impossible to vote on each bill even if congress ran 24/7. One finance bill could address thousands of “issues”…so I’d love to know how that’s even possible.
Well just perhaps congress shouldn't be a bill mill machine turning out endless unaccountable laws buried in mountains of crap to obscure what they're doing.
Well just perhaps congress shouldn't be a bill mill machine turning out endless unaccountable laws buried in mountains of crap to obscure what they're doing.
That's not true. He has given them some of what they asked but not the most important. Didn't you hear the guy from Montana? They want single issue bills. What American doesn't want that? Why wouldn't McCarthy agree to that?
Doesn't matter. The reason does not matter. The point is McCarthy is going nowhere but he will not get out of the way.
200 people VOTED FOR HIM TO BE SPEAKER. This is not McCarthy stubbornly opposing 22 people…it’s 22 people demanding that TWO HUNDRED other Republicans kowtow to them.
So were you saying the same thing when Manchin was hanging up the Democrat's trillion dollar spending bills by one vote?
Here it comes. Round 11. If you vote against McCarthy, then you are voting to kill kittens and puppies.
Had Manchin’s vote put the House in perpetual limbo AND destroyed the credibility of the Conservative movement…damn right I’d say the same thing.
Since he’s a Senator and a Dem, I’m thrilled he damaged his own party. I actually WANT liberalism stymied and undermined…I sure as hell don’t want that done to Conservatism.
Your analogy is correct that both damaged their own party.
Well just perhaps congress shouldn't be a bill mill machine turning out endless unaccountable laws buried in mountains of crap to obscure what they're doing.
Doesn't matter. The reason does not matter. The point is McCarthy is going nowhere but he will not get out of the way.
McCarthy needs to get out of the way and let the traffic flow. Right now, he is acting as highway wreck which is plugging up the whole road. He needs to recognize that and needs to do right to get things flowing again.
If there is a wreck on the highway, I do not care why they wrecked. I just want them out of the way.
So, the guy with 200 votes is “in the way”, but the ones with 22 votes are not. Logical.
So, the guy with 200 votes is “in the way”, but the ones with 22 votes are not. Logical.
4 possible outcomes in order of likelihood.
1) 18 of the 22 morons cave and make a deal. McCarthy becomes Speaker.
2) McCarthy cuts a deal with devil and a dozen Dems vote for him to be Speaker. And McCarthy becomes speaker.
3) Enough Repubs miss a vote and the threshold drops to 212, and Hakeem Jeffries becomes Speaker.
4) 8 RINO’s crossover and join Dems to make…take your pick..Cheney, Kinzinger or some other such filth Speaker of the House.
Theirs is no option in which some member of the Freedom Caucus becomes Speaker.
Worse, in every one of those outcomes, the credibility and perceived competence of Republicans and the conservative cause are devastated for years to come.
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To all the Never Kevins’: you do realize how this is going to end right? McCarthy & the Never Kevin Caucus will cut a deal where he becomes speaker & they get pretty much everything they want so that McCarthy is on a tight leash & politically neutered. Would that be a win?
Thats how they do "normal" business, I prefer in the light of day with constituents watching.
He's promised a good number of those 200 various goodies in return for their vote. So if they want the goodies, that's how they have to vote as long as he is the source of their goodies.Those 200 are not voting for McCarthy. They are voting for themselves, and whatever McCarthy has promised them. They all know McCarthy is a flaming RINO, but McCarthy made it worth it for them. When I look at McCarthy, I see Romney.
If he steps aside, then we'll see if there really is no one else who can lead.
Don't matter if he's got 217. It don't make.
Doesn't matter. The reason does not matter. The point is McCarthy is going nowhere but he will not get out of the way.
McCarthy needs to get out of the way and let the traffic flow. Right now, he is acting as highway wreck which is plugging up the whole road. He needs to recognize that and needs to do right to get things flowing again.
If there is a wreck on the highway, I do not care why they wrecked. I just want them out of the way.
Those terms are acceptable.
You would come out lightyears ahead if you would stop calling people with which you disagree names like "morons." I should not be the person teaching you that. And I like yiu.
I’m calling the 22 congressman morons…because they are behaving as such. I’m NOT calling anyone on this board anything other than by their names.
Not necessarily. The others may not be able to take the heat, being up for committee placements and such... Only the ones that can play hardball are playing hardball.
Like Rosendale - I guarantee he is getting standing ovations here in the state.
He not only can afford to take a hit, he is actually laying down big-time Conservative creds and staking em in with a 9 pound jack. This is making him golden.
Neither does 22.
Those 200 are not voting for McCarthy. They are voting for themselves, and whatever McCarthy has promised them. They all know McCarthy is a flaming RINO, but McCarthy made it worth it for them.
I’m calling the 22 congressman morons…because they are behaving as such. I’m NOT calling anyone on this board anything other than by their names. I’ll be first admit I’m damn mad watching conservatism dragged through the mud and tarnished for 2024. I will take your advice and reduce the rudeness. Mea Culpa.
Actually, I think you could - with more justification - view the 20 as the wreck in the highway, and they should get out of the way.They are standing for what they believe is in the best interests of the entire nation.
In today's world it's easy enough to find how people vote, even in private.
This has the optics of "willy nilly".
They are standing for what they believe is in the best interests….”
I know.... :thumbsup:
So are the 200.
Neither does 22.
The 22 aren't voting to make someone else Speaker. They are voting to block McCarthy from becoming Speaker. Their target is 5, not 218. And they have hit their target vote after vote after vote.
They are standing for what they believe is in the best interests of the entire nation.
Romney is standing only for himself and his own self glorification.
Every big change in history started with 20 people or less.
So what?
So what, then, is what we should say to the 22 who can’t even gather the courage to put forward their own candidate.
@Mesaclone is an old friend of the Forum. I know too.
If that’s true, it’s utterly reprehensible.
If they have a better candidate, put them forward. If they don’t, grow up because all they’re doing is having at tantrum at the expense of the entire Conservative movement.
They have been Nominating at least one every Ballot.
I'm pretty sure that a large chunk of the 200 do not believe the 20 are doing what is in the best interests of the nation
Yes. Each one losing in a landslide to McCarthy. Should that not be a sign of who the caucus supports for Speaker. And shouldn’t the caucus’ support mean something?
So what, then, is what we should say to the 22 who can’t even gather the courage to put forward their own candidate.
Another vote down the drain.
Think of it this way. Each round of votes “down the drain” ensures another seat lost to the Dems in 2024 and/or another state lost in the Presidential election.
Look guys ... let's just BOTTOM LINE this whole episode.
McCarthy needs to step aside so we can move on. It is that simple.
The fact that he will not, shows that he cares more for himself than his Party or his Country.
Bullshit. This will not be a campaign issue in 2024.
I actually appreciate Cyber tapping me on the shoulder and saying “Chill, Bro.” I needed that, so thank you. That said, still passionate and pretty fired up about this. We can’t just go on looking ridiculous as a party…it’s killing us and creating endless material for Dem campaigns.
I don't see as they need to. If they vote their conscience and can't stomach the candidate on principle, that's all the reason they need.
This is the same dang argument you gave me, in all it's varied forms, to get me to vote for that which I did not want. Screw that.
Since December 11 2020 I've made it clear that I think this once great republic is beyond repair so we don't have a thing to lose at this point. I just wish this fight had happened 30 years ago. @Mesaclone
So if the other 200 hold to their principle and “vote their conscience and can’t stomach the candidate on principle”…I guess we just give the Dems the keys to everything.
Good strategy roamer….ensure conservatives lose EVERY election and can’t govern even should they miraculously win.
I get the sentiment. Yet I have 3 young daughters and now a grandchild with more on the way…I don’t get to just give up on the country and say it’s beyond repair. We MUST repair it, because they deserve to live in a great place too.
I actually appreciate Cyber tapping me on the shoulder and saying “Chill, Bro.” I needed that, so thank you. That said, still passionate and pretty fired up about this. We can’t just go on looking ridiculous as a party…it’s killing us and creating endless material for Dem campaigns.
Another vote down the drain.
I get the sentiment. Yet I have 3 young daughters and now a grandchild with more on the way…I don’t get to just give up on the country and say it’s beyond repair. We MUST repair it, because they deserve to live in a great place too.
Yep. 12 votes down.
I get the sentiment. Yet I have 3 young daughters and now a grandchild with more on the way…I don’t get to just give up on the country and say it’s beyond repair. We MUST repair it, because they deserve to live in a great place too.
Bullshit. This will not be a campaign issue in 2024.
Bullshit. This will not be a campaign issue in 2024.
Not sure how you can classify a 0-0 tie as "losing in a landslide".
Sure. Why would the Dems make commercials SHOWING Republicans acting like petulant children and having a moronic battle to block their own guy from the Speakership? They’d never stoop so low, right?Romney is far from "their own guy". Unless you include Democrats.
The dems have the keys to everything already, or the pubbies would have stalled the latest omnibus bill... And McCarthy changes that not a whit.
Romney is far from "their own guy". Unless you include Democrats.
You don't seem to understand how the false-dilemma logical fallacy works. It is a favorite rhetorical tool of Democrats and Establishment-loving Republicans.
I'm going to do all I can to make Texas an independent republic again.
That's 213. That blocks Jeffries.
Do it, and I’ll move there in a minute. I have a sister north Austin already so thinking about making that move regardless. That said, I’m not to the point I believe the country is unsaveable.
You guys are going to F around and hand this to Jeffries if this keeps going.McCarthy is going to F around and hand this to Jeffries if this keeps going.
You guys are going to F around and hand this to Jeffries if this keeps going.
I thought this was 11?
R's permission to adjourn for tonight...Dems...NO!
Speaking of "F", who has a liberty rating of "F" and is being considered for a position that he has consistently used to bear those same fruits ... That is the central point that is being overlooked by some.
The 20 are doing the work that needs to be done, no more letting the enemy lead you while wearing a mask of a sheep.
Everyone knows that the word of McRino isn't worth the breath it took to make it, he will still continue to slime his own party time and time again.
McCarthy is going to F around and hand this to Jeffries if this keeps going.
You’ve got the emPHASis on the wrong sylLABBLE there.?? whatever?
You guys are going to F around and hand this to Jeffries if this keeps going.
What happens if there is no Card girl past round 15?
McCarthy is going to F around and hand this to Jeffries if this keeps going.I am not convince McCarthy would be upset by that?
R's permission to adjourn for tonight...Dems...NO!
People who are brain dead don't need sleep.
I am not convince McCarthy would be upset by that?
We didn’t have the majority, nor any way to stall through the end of the last congress.
adjourned til noon tomorrow
You mean McCarthy. He's the one who keeps pushing for votes he can't win while at the same time refusing to give up the concessions to Conservatives that would secure his victory.
I stand with the 20 against the 200 who want to come along and get along twatwaffles.
That's what Gaetz' group should be doing - finding another popular member willing to run, and putting forward his/her name.
There is absolutely no prohibition on any other candidate - Gaetz, Jordan, Scalise whomever - throwing their hat into the ring. And if the point came where that person started getting more votes than McCarthy, then perhaps he should think about withdrawing. But so far, the only other guys getting votes don't seem to be catching him. It isn't remotely close. Until it is, he shouldn't withdraw.
There is absolutely no prohibition on any other candidate - Gaetz, Jordan, Scalise whomever - throwing their hat into the ring. And if the point came where that person started getting more votes than McCarthy, then perhaps he should think about withdrawing. But so far, the only other guys getting votes don't seem to be catching him. It isn't remotely close. Until it is, he shouldn't withdraw.
That's what Gaetz' group should be doing - finding another popular member willing to run, and putting forward his/her name.
How's that strategy working for you?
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How's that strategy working for you?
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Better than the strategy of the morons getting just 22 votes.
Just like High School. Vote for most popular. I know our "Voted Most Popular" contestant won by giving Blow jobs.
And that’s the point…you’ve nailed it. They HAVE no alternative. They can’t nominate a Freedom Caucus member because they lose all the moderates. Even a hard line conservative can’t get 218. You CAN get someone who is neither RINO nor FC….but the FC guys won’t nominate such a person. So bottom line is they have nothing and no one to nominate…all they can do is obstruct.
It’s a dumb strategy with no end game….which is why I call them the 22 morons. If they weren’t morons, they’d have a candidate of their own to challenge McCarthy.
Did she win in a blowout?
And that’s the point…you’ve nailed it. They HAVE no alternative.
Those 22 votes are 17 more than they needed. Another win.
Did she win in a blowout?
It was pure idiocy to strong-arm 20 members by telling them that their anti-McCarthy votes ensured that they would not get any committee seats for the next two years. Why in the heck would any of them vote for McCarthy after that?
Did she win in a blowout?
No, what they need is another 196….or they are just being blowhard morons.
t was neck and neck, but in the end, she won by a head.
No, what they need is another 196….or they are just being blowhard morons.
Drop McHoldThePurseStrings PAC and see if they have no problem voting for someone else.
It was pure idiocy to strong-arm 20 members by telling them that their anti-McCarthy votes ensured that they would not get any committee seats for the next two years. Why in the heck would any of them vote for McCarthy after that?
Ok. They’re dropped. Every single person in that caucus is free to vote any way they want to.
Strong strategic move on her part. Probably hard to swallow….for her opponent though.
Just like High School. Vote for most popular. I know our "Voted Most Popular" contestant won by giving Blow jobs.
Better than the strategy of the morons getting just 22 votes.
I don't think trying to get a member who was unpopular elected as Speaker would be a good use of time.Popularity tends to fade away when the person loses the ability/power to bully you (and America).
After suffering through Hassert, Boehner and Ryan we deserve much better than McCarthy.
But we won't get it without fighting for it!
God Bless those with the courage to stand up and fight. I don't care if this goes on till the govt. hits the debt ceiling and has to shut down. Lets get real change in how things are done.
But we won't get it without fighting for it!
God Bless those with the courage to stand up and fight. I don't care if this goes on till the govt. hits the debt ceiling and has to shut down. Lets get real change in how things are done.
Hey. You guys forgot something. An actual candidate. Put ‘em out there and run them against McCarthy. Whatcha waiting for?
Hey. You guys forgot something. An actual candidate. Put ‘em out there and run them against McCarthy. Whatcha waiting for?
Clearly, we do not need an actual candidate to block an establishment collaborator from becoming Speaker.
The next speaker will either be McCarthy, or someone the Dems chose. That's it.
The next speaker will either be McCarthy, or someone the Dems chose. That's it.
How dumb can anyone be to give that power to the Left...and its precisely why these clowns are called the 22 morons.
Knock Knock:
Who's there?
Owen....
Owen Who?
0-10 McRino
Is this real?
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Funny who do the Trumpbots support? Is this the great divide? Which Rino will get the nod. Trump has already flipped on his endorsement, so will Trump also not run for President if elected? Who is the greater swamp creature for some here to get behind?
Stayed tuned tomorrow for the next episode of As the Rino Turns.
It could be real But...F(u)ck Trump. What an ass hole.
The next speaker will either be McCarthy, or someone the Dems chose. That's it.
Yeah, I can't verify it, so I may be passing fake news... @Wingnut ... I try not to do that... but I have a lot on my plate tonight (family things). Apologizes sincere I do.
Hey. You guys forgot something. An actual candidate. Put ‘em out there and run them against McCarthy. Whatcha waiting for?
I only hope the senate republicans are taking notes....
McRomney needs to step aside. Unless he is a Kamikaze. McRomney is a suicide bomber.
Vote for me, or I will blow the whole Congress up!
McCarthy Votes (218 needed)
Ballot #- votes
1- 203
2- 203
3- 202
4- 201
5- 201
6- 201
7- 201
8- 201
9- 200
10- 200
11- 200
Word has it negotiations of McCarthy and the FC aren't going well
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Prediction:No
This thing is over within 48 hours with McCarthy elected as Speaker.
Prediction:
This thing is over within 48 hours with McCarthy elected as Speaker.
Prediction:
This thing is over within 48 hours with McCarthy elected as Speaker.
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https://nypost.com/2023/01/05/deal-reached-for-gop-reps-to-back-mccarthy-for-house-speaker/amp/
“Anti-McCarthy Rep. Chip Roy (R-Texas) and pro-McCarthy Rep. Patrick McHenry reportedly negotiated the truce, according to the news outlet.”
Two peas in a pod?
The next speaker will either be McCarthy, or someone the Dems chose. That's it.
How dumb can anyone be to give that power to the Left...and its precisely why these clowns are called the 22 morons.
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When does the circus get started up again today?
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Kevin Can F__k Himself : Distict of Columbia Style....
Season 1 Episode 4- Today at Noon , Eastern Time
Episode comes to dramatic conclusion and cliff hanger, when Dan Crenshaw's eyepatch gets mysteriously stuck on Kevin McCarthy's fly.
Without a Speaker, the House is unable to conduct any additional business, including passing rules, swearing in members and considering legislation.
Gaetz: If Democrats Join Up with GOP to Elect a Moderate Republican House Speaker, I Will Resign
Thursday on FNC’s “The Ingraham Angle,” Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-FL) said a coalition of Republicans and Democrats electing a moderate Republican was not a concern.
https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2023/01/05/gaetz-if-democrats-join-up-with-gop-to-elect-a-moderate-republican-house-speaker-i-will-resign/
Gaetz: If Democrats Join Up with GOP to Elect a Moderate Republican House Speaker, I Will Resign
Thursday on FNC’s “The Ingraham Angle,” Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-FL) said a coalition of Republicans and Democrats electing a moderate Republican was not a concern.
https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2023/01/05/gaetz-if-democrats-join-up-with-gop-to-elect-a-moderate-republican-house-speaker-i-will-resign/
Desperate deal: Centrist Republicans may join Democrats to end speakership nightmare
With Buck (R, CO) out most of the day for medical treatment the magic number McCarthy will need is 217.
Gaetz: If Democrats Join Up with GOP to Elect a Moderate Republican House Speaker, I Will Resign
Gaetz: If Democrats Join Up with GOP to Elect a Moderate Republican House Speaker, I Will Resign
Thursday on FNC’s “The Ingraham Angle,” Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-FL) said a coalition of Republicans and Democrats electing a moderate Republican was not a concern.
https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2023/01/05/gaetz-if-democrats-join-up-with-gop-to-elect-a-moderate-republican-house-speaker-i-will-resign/
Gaetz needs to quite being so twitchy and keep his head.
So we cannot swear in new members until a speaker is nominated?
Gaetz has voted for 6 different candidates in 11 ballots.
If we wants to avoid the schitzoid memes he needs to level off a bit.
He knew those were ballots that were a holding action.
I rank Gaetz right up at the top in the conference. He is the only Rep I've seen who berated Generals up and down for their incompetence. He is tough and quick on his feet. We need more like him.
He knew those were ballots that were a holding action.
I rank Gaetz right up at the top in the conference. He is the only Rep I've seen who berated Generals up and down for their incompetence. He is tough and quick on his feet. We need more like him.
So we cannot swear in new members until a speaker is nominated?
the arson caucus?
He knew those were ballots that were a holding action.
I rank Gaetz right up at the top in the conference. He is the only Rep I've seen who berated Generals up and down for their incompetence. He is tough and quick on his feet. We need more like him.
Agree. I like Gaetz too, and think overall he's done a good job. But they need an endgame. Either a proposal on paper to lock down the rules process and prevent another Omnibus type disaster, or a list of compromise candidates that they will vote for.
Where you don't want to go is just sitting at the back of the class throwing spitballs. Fun, but they'll lose their credibility and leverage if all they want to do is flip the bird.
There is an ocean of difference between perception and reality. And in the world of politics, you know which prevails.
We all know as political junkies the details of the game. The noobs don't, and don't forget....they vote.
What you are calling the Arson Caucus to some of us, are 20 patriots who don't want to give RINO McCarthy the green light toward full capitualtion to the Biden agenda.
You don't think he's Turdle Jr? Prove me wrong.
The end game without some drastic measures, is going to boil down to McCarthy finding 16 out 20 FC fighters who don't hate his guts so badly that they won't vote for him under any circumstances.
I am guessing Gaetz and Biggs are pretty close to being rock solid "never"
I agree with you, but two weeks after a Speaker is picked the noobs will forget about it, just like Afghanistan was no longer an issue when it came time to vote.
Agree. I like Gaetz too, and think overall he's done a good job. But they need an endgame. Either a proposal on paper to lock down the rules process and prevent another Omnibus type disaster, or a list of compromise candidates that they will vote for.
Where you don't want to go is just sitting at the back of the class throwing spitballs. Fun, but they'll lose their credibility and leverage if all they want to do is flip the bird.
I agree with you, but two weeks after a Speaker is picked the noobs will forget about it, just like Afghanistan was no longer an issue when it came time to vote.
Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) said on a GOP conference call Thursday morning he has made progress on negotiations with Rep. Chip Roy (R-Texas) and others who have not been supporting him for Speaker.
But the deal is not finalized with all of the holdouts, and McCarthy stressed that the deal was still tentative – later telling members to stop leaking the details to the press and for any reporters to get off the call.
Rep. Garret Graves (R-La.), a McCarthy backer, told Republicans on the call that budget cuts under the deal would be similar to those in 2011, according to a source.
There will also be a Church-style committee under the Judiciary panel, as previously agreed to, as well as commitments to move bills through regular order and work on a Texas border bill.
Rep. Patrick McHenry (R-N.C.), another McCarthy backer, also squashed rumors on the call that the deal included Roy being chair of the Rules Committee.
— Emily Brooks
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/3802149-house-speaker-election-coverage-mccarthy-allies-hope-to-hammer-out-deal-on-day-4-of-stalemate/ (https://thehill.com/homenews/house/3802149-house-speaker-election-coverage-mccarthy-allies-hope-to-hammer-out-deal-on-day-4-of-stalemate/)
If Chip Roy gets his concession, it will only take 1 vote of No Confidence to force another Speaker vote.
They got rid of Boehner (Freedom Caucus) and they will at least shackle McCarthy to prevent him from working with the dems.
There is an ocean of difference between perception and reality. And in the world of politics, you know which prevails.
We all know as political junkies the details of the game. The noobs don't, and don't forget....they vote.
Anyone have an idea of how many in the FC holdouts are in the Roy camp?
But, I wonder how binding these agreements really are. It's not like a politican won't lie, steal, or cheat.
But, I wonder how binding these agreements really are. It's not like a politican won't lie, steal, or cheat.
They'll forget about if the MSM let them forget about it; on the other hand, if it becomes the foundation for a constant drumbeat of "look how bad the republicans are at running things", then they won't. Let us not underestimate the power of political propaganda spread by mass media.
This is particularly true given that we are likely to be entering a recession, and the Dems/MSM will be looking for a scapegoat. And if the GOP-led House is objectively dysfunctional, and can't pass legislation, we're handing them their fall guy on a silver platter.
The perception of the FC will determine their popularity among other reps, and whether their own members will stick and/or new members join. So that perception does impact reality.
I think it's safe to assume that Boebert and Gaetz don't see eye to eye with Roy and possibly a few others.
They still got the leverage of a narrow majority to hold the Speaker's feet to the fire.
Still, once the details are worked out, it needs to be on paper and made public for all to see.
Gaetz and Boebert have obviously let it become personal, whereas some of the rest seem to be treating it as business.
You mean like Newt's Contract with America in 1994 which basically had the same value as toilet paper by 1996?
There is a reason that there are 535 slugs in DC who can't be trusted for anything under any circumstance.
Nope...... That "reality" is determined by primary voters in red districts, and their desire for what level conservative zeal in the preference of their candidates.
As the dims continue their push to take us over the socialist cliff, the FC will only get larger and stronger in inverse proportion. Think Newton's 3rd Law.....
I was referring to the election for Speaker, but if you want to talk about the electorate in general, fine.
But in that case, I'm not sure you're right. Just because more voters don't want actual socialism doesn't mean they agree with everything the FC stands for. There are still a lot of voters in that great squishy middle, and they'll lean towards whomever seems the most reasonable.
Newton's Third law doesn't have to be balanced by the Freedom Caucus. It could be balanced in the eyes of those voters by just sticking with less socialistic people in the middle who seem more reasonable.
So, whether they perceive a particular conservative as offering a reasonable alternative is critical. And that's often not just an issue of policy, but also about presentation/rhetoric. So while it clearly is important to stick to principles, it is equally important for purposes of expanding support to not just pander to your base with red-meat rhetoric. All that does is get you high fives from your base, while alienating people you might otherwise have been able to persuade.
What you are calling the Arson Caucus to some of us, are 20 patriots who don't want to give RINO McCarthy the green light toward full capitualtion to the Biden agenda.
You don't think he's Turdle Jr? Prove me wrong.
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The caucus has lost perspective. 2022 midterms were a disaster. By a pretty wide margin, most of the incoming house will be dem and moderate pub. McCarthy' ACU lifetime is 84%, which is left of everyone here, but right of the person who will be elected by a coalition. Total capitulation is not happening --- he knows the base needs to turn out in 2024 if another disaster is to be averted. McCarthy has promised oversight and investigations. Other than blocking the power grabs the dems are contemplating, that is the most he can do until the numbers shift.
The caucus has lost perspective.
Disagree. They seem to have resolve toward holding McCarthy accountible to the wills of the GOP electorate. Which by the way, GOP candidates got 5M more votes than their counterparts. Part of that accountibility includes keeping those voters best interests at heart.
2022 midterms were a disaster. By a pretty wide margin, most of the incoming house will be dem and moderate pub.
And who was Minority Leader? Shouldn't there be some retribution or accountibility for said disaster?
McCarthy' ACU lifetime is 84%, which is left of everyone here, but right of the person who will be elected by a coalition.
Have you seen his trending? Last year it was 74%, and trending downward since he became a congressman...
http://ratings.conservative.org/people/M001165 (http://ratings.conservative.org/people/M001165)
Total capitulation is not happening --- he knows the base needs to turn out in 2024 if another disaster is to be averted.
It isn't? Check Corbe's post just above for recent "greatest hits" from Kev.
Video link to today's proceedings:
Fun, but they'll lose their credibility and leverage if all they want to do is flip the bird.
These dummies that take these "principled stands" that go nowhere, accomplish nothing... basically amount to a buzzing of flies on a pile of putrid feces at the end of the day. It just annoys the rest of the population who aren't "principled", the 80% that only casually follow politics and just want Congress to continue on with it's business of running the country (at least nominally). There is a time and a place to make a stand.
Reminds of the government shutdowns that occur that accomplish much the same that do absolutely nothing.
Stupidity, pure stupidity.
These dummies that take these "principled stands" that go nowhere, accomplish nothing... basically amount to a buzzing of flies on a pile of putrid feces at the end of the day. It just annoys the rest of the population who aren't "principled", the 80% that only casually follow politics and just want Congress to continue on with it's business of running the country (at least nominally). There is a time and a place to make a stand.
Reminds of the government shutdowns that occur that accomplish much the same that do absolutely nothing.
Stupidity, pure stupidity.
That point has already come and gone. I was a big Gaetz fan right up through last week...now its clear he needs to be primaried and dumped. He's played a key part in destroying GOP credibility and has likely destroyed our chances of winning back the Senate and White House in '24. And he's done all this with ZERO plan for who you put in place if its not McCarthy. Zippo. None. That fact is what makes it CRYSTAL clear that this is just virtue signaling with no purpose beyond self aggrandizement. If it were otherwise, they'd have their own candidate and be pushing for that person rather than mere obstruction.
Its a clown show, and that is ENTIRELY the fault of these 22 people.
Why is there not a quorum present right away? These congress critters have one job right now. Ain’t that difficult to do. Be to work and be on time. Sheesh.
This newly elected Congress brings a unique opportunity to fix this $hit. As @Cyber Liberty has quoted 'If not now WHEN?'
275 of 435 present? Are some shenanigans underway?
Why is there not a quorum present right away? These congress critters have one job right now. Ain’t that difficult to do. Be to work and be on time. Sheesh.
Without principles would 1775-1787 had even happened?
When we elect more conservatives to Congress, or at least have a bigger margin in the House.
All of this is going to come back and bite the FC in the ass when they realize they're no longer the key swing voters in the House as a whole.
The Patriots then had a plan, moved rationally and with purpose toward achievable goals. Men like Washington and Adams were extremely calculating...took risks when necessary and FREQUENTLY made compromises to achieve consensus and advance their cause. They thought strategically and played the long game. They were not simpleminded obstructionists like the dolts we're dealing with now. They had a plan, knew where they wanted to go and who they wanted to lead the fight (Washington).
The men of that era are the diametric opposite of the 22 morons we're watching today. These men have no candidate for the speaker, have no purpose other than to obstruct, and are working only to aggrandize themselves and virtue signal. You defame our Founding Fathers in comparing them to these fools.
What you are calling the Arson Caucus to some of us, are 20 patriots who don't want to give RINO McCarthy the green light toward full capitualtion to the Biden agenda.
It’s congress. Shenanigans are always underway.
The Patriots then had a plan, moved rationally and with purpose toward achievable goals. Men like Washington and Adams were extremely calculating...took risks when necessary and FREQUENTLY made compromises to achieve consensus and advance their cause. They thought strategically and played the long game. They were not simpleminded obstructionists like the dolts we're dealing with now. They had a plan, knew where they wanted to go and who they wanted to lead the fight (Washington).
The men of that era are the diametric opposite of the 22 morons we're watching today. These men have no candidate for the speaker, have no purpose other than to obstruct, and are working only to aggrandize themselves and virtue signal. You defame our Founding Fathers in comparing them to these fools.
The Patriots then had a plan, moved rationally and with purpose toward achievable goals.
Apparently, the deal McCarthy made with the Freedom Caucus is a no go. Gaetz just nominated Jim Jordan.
Without principles would 1775-1787 had even happened?
Matt Gaetz says McCarthy does not have the votes today, won't have them tomorrow, etc ...
Doesn't sound like the supposed "deal" went through?
No, they did not. It took 440 day after Lexington & Concord for representatives from 13 colonies to declare independence from the crown. A plan?
Glenn Greenwald
@ggreenwald
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Can someone tell me why it's so horrifying and devastating for Congress to take a few days to debate and negotiate over who should be third in line to the presidency and rule the House?
Aren't debates of this kind called "democracy," as rare as it now is for Congress to do this?
Glenn Greenwald
@ggreenwald
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The $1.7b omnibus bill Congress just passed was 4,000 pages. Nobody who voted read it all. This is how it works: Leaders put together huge bills and order members to vote YES.
This is a fundamentally broken and anti-democratic system. Let's have a few days to shine light on it.
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Bishop (NC) switched to McCarthy.
Bishop (NC) switched to McCarthy.
Another failed and pointless stand, and the brave patriots are folding like warm tortillas.
Hakeem votes for McCarthy...
Because it's pointless. Pick a better fight. Nobody cares about this. Let's form some committees and go after the Dems. Let's go after Hunter Biden's laptop. Or investigate J6 from the other side. Or the Twitter files. Or the myriad of other cause worth actually taking a stand. Not this!!!!
Jake Sherman
@JakeSherman
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2h
🚨🚨🚨NEWS— KEVIN MCCARTHY ANNOUNCES ON GOP CALL THAT HE AND CHIP ROY HAVE A DEAL
Because it's pointless. Pick a better fight. Nobody cares about this. Let's form some committees and go after the Dems. Let's go after Hunter Biden's laptop. Or investigate J6 from the other side. Or the Twitter files. Or the myriad of other cause worth actually taking a stand. Not this!!!!
I don't mean to be an bleep but hey, we've been beat over the head with obnoxious hearings for 2 years now, aren't we ready for some or our own?
How about investigating the stuff the media missed about J6? Twitter files? Transgender stuff? Hunter Biden? Epstein? Etc. etc. We have a majority and really not much else to do, so this just seemed completely pointless to me.
I don't mean to be an bleep but hey, we've been beat over the head with obnoxious hearings for 2 years now, aren't we ready for some or our own?
How about investigating the stuff the media missed about J6? Twitter files? Transgender stuff? Hunter Biden? Epstein? Etc. etc. We have a majority and really not much else to do, so this just seemed completely pointless to me.
I don't mean to be an bleep but hey, we've been beat over the head with obnoxious hearings for 2 years now, aren't we ready for some or our own?
How about investigating the stuff the media missed about J6? Twitter files? Transgender stuff? Hunter Biden? Epstein? Etc. etc. We have a majority and really not much else to do, so this just seemed completely pointless to me.
Glenn Greenwald
@ggreenwald
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2m
Can someone tell me why it's so horrifying and devastating for Congress to take a few days to debate and negotiate over who should be third in line to the presidency and rule the House?
Aren't debates of this kind called "democracy," as rare as it now is for Congress to do this?
Glenn Greenwald
@ggreenwald
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56s
The $1.7b omnibus bill Congress just passed was 4,000 pages. Nobody who voted read it all. This is how it works: Leaders put together huge bills and order members to vote YES.
This is a fundamentally broken and anti-democratic system. Let's have a few days to shine light on it.
Lucas Tomlinson
@LucasFoxNews
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1m
Matt Gaetz nominates Jim Jordan for speaker, calls McCarthy the 'Lebron James' of fundraising
I don't mean to be an bleep but hey, we've been beat over the head with obnoxious hearings for 2 years now, aren't we ready for some or our own?
How about investigating the stuff the media missed about J6? Twitter files? Transgender stuff? Hunter Biden? Epstein? Etc. etc. We have a majority and really not much else to do, so this just seemed completely pointless to me.
Laura Loomer
@LauraLoomer
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BREAKING:
5 GOP Spines Have just Gone missing during the 12th Vote for Speaker of the House.
Dan Bishop
Josh Breechen
Mike Cloud
Andrew Clyde
Byron Donalds
All of these reps just changed their votes in favor of Kevin McCarthy and sold out to the GOP establishment.
Laura Loomer
@LauraLoomer
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BREAKING:
5 GOP Spines Have just Gone missing during the 12th Vote for Speaker of the House.
Dan Bishop
Josh Breechen
Mike Cloud
Andrew Clyde
Byron Donalds
All of these reps just changed their votes in favor of Kevin McCarthy and sold out to the GOP establishment.
They didn't sell out, they got what they wanted from a deal.
Ben Jacobs
@Bencjacobs
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Republican members are walking out of the chamber in droves as Gaetz bashes Kevin McCarthy
Before making that strong of a claim, don't you think we need to hear the details of the deal first?
If they got terms they had demanded, then they didn't "sell out" they got what the considered fair consideration for their vote. That's how voting in a legislative chamber works; horse-trading and sausage-making - not for weak stomaches.
The details are in the vote.
For some, even here on this board, it’s not about anything other than personal vendetta. They are blind to the fact of real and meaningful concessions having been made.
Olivia Beavers
@Olivia_Beavers
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LUNA votes for MCCARTHY, citing "pending negotiations"
To Loud GOP applause
The details are in the vote.
For some, even here on this board, it’s not about anything other than personal vendetta. They are blind to the fact of real and meaningful concessions having been made.
Not surprising Even Jordan voted McCarthy.
Which you say as you moralize like you just kicked the Pope out of his office.
Pending negotiations???/. Is she that dumb?
Nancy Pelosi agrees with you.
None of the people changing to McCarthy look happy about it.
How many of these are yielding to "pending negotiations"? You can't fix stupid.
None of the people changing to McCarthy look happy about it.
Greg Price
@greg_price11
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🚨SIXTH GOP FLIP: Rep. Ana Paulina Luna votes McCarthy after voting against him on the first 11 ballots.
What does this even mean??
You mean the let's vote on it before we find out what's in it?
The details are in the vote?
I know it's all about WIN! WIN! WIN! RAH! RAH! RAH! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! but geesh.
Final tally is 9 of the 20 held.
Looking at the total vote count, McCarthy falls short again
Sleazy Kev only needs to pick off 5 more.
Have any Rats peeled off?
Calm down.
(a) why would they?
(b) why would that matter?
Perhaps that was intended as a show of progress? Just enough of the recalcitrant 20 changed their votes to indicate that McCarthy is making progress, but that he won't get the votes he needs until the deal is signed and sealed.
I hope those changing to a McCarthy vote are doing so out of political gain/clout, not pieces of silver.
I hope those changing to a McCarthy vote are doing so out of political gain/clout, not pieces of silver.
Okay, the votes over....
What was the F'n agreement or pending agreement?
Greg Price
@greg_price11
We have our 11th and 12th GOP flips: Reps. Keith Self and Victoria Spartz voted for McCarthy.
1:12 PM · Jan 6, 2023
Sanity is slowly returning…I hoped/expected as much which is why I called the shot last night that this thing is over within 48 hours
Sanity is slowly returning…I hoped/expected as much which is why I called the shot last night that this thing is over within 48 hours
Sanity is slowly returning…I hoped/expected as much which is why I called the shot last night that this thing is over within 48 hours
Vote for me or swim with the fishes?
https://twitter.com/BrandonStraka/status/1611428488371748864
Yes, because it sounds like the holdouts worked a deal to clean out some of the pus on the festering wound.
Just sad they had to twist your boy Kevs arm and let him beclown himself 11 times to do it.
Why not stop with the "your boy" crap? McCarthy wasn't anyone's first choice. My understanding of the deal is it is solid and secures for conservatives leverage and a voice.
Let's refocus on the real political enemy and get to work.
McCarthy better get his digs in, because 10% of his party aren't going to forget.......
But he was the Trump's, and therefore his cheerleaders first choice.
Kevs has no track record of standing up to the real political enemies. But let's vote for Lucy again.
Why not stop with the "your boy" crap? McCarthy wasn't anyone's first choice. My understanding of the deal is it is solid and secures for conservatives leverage and a voice.
Let's refocus on the real political enemy and get to work.
Let's refocus on the real political enemy and get to work.
Let's refocus on the real political enemy and get to work.
McCarthy should make his own Nomination speech and tell us what he gave to the Freedom Caucus.
This is what a real honest-to-God democratic process looks like, folks. It's not pretty, but it's a darn sight better than the authoritarian, fake-unity set-pieces the democrats come up with.
This IS the real enemy.
This is what a real honest-to-God democratic process looks like, folks. It's not pretty, but it's a darn sight better than the authoritarian, fake-unity set-pieces the democrats come up with.
But he was the Trump's, and therefore his cheerleaders first choice.
Kevs has no track record of standing up to the real political enemies. But let's vote for Lucy again.
Exactly, and can we just say one more time, Kevin McCarthy has an F rating on his voting record! That’s who we want leading the House?!?
Maybe if the McCarthy opposition had nominated a viable alternative candidate they could have spent their time winning votes for him instead of wasting time trying to pull votes away from McCarthy with only the assurance a magical "consensus" candidate would rise from the ashes.
So please, fight the urge to blame your usual suspects and learn from this. Strategy counts.
Maybe if the McCarthy opposition had nominated a viable alternative candidate they could have spent their time winning votes for him instead of wasting time trying to pull votes away from McCarthy with only the assurance a magical "consensus" candidate would rise from the ashes.
So please, fight the urge to blame your usual suspects and learn from this. Strategy counts.
What deal?
15 minutes ago one member used the term "pending",,,,,, and another one "good faith"
I think one of the most disconcerting things for me, in all of this, is that you of all people, someone I continually look up to for solid conservatism, is happy with everything that is happening here.
Kevs could have done that himself by taking himself out of the race after the 3rd failed vote, as the Swampers always demand the Conservatives do when they lose, i.e. get in line. They can't even live by the rules they put on everybody else.
But the holdouts pulled your ass out of the fire by actually negotiating to reign in the debacle of the last two years.
Meanwhile, the cheerleaders were just going to hand over the keys free of charge.
There is a huge difference between just taking conservative actions, and achieving conservative results.
McCarthy better get his digs in, because 10% of his party aren't going to forget.......
It's literally impossible to enact the deal before electing a Speaker because you can't approve the rules and appoint committees until after the Speaker is elected. So at that level, a certain amount of trust is required.
However, the deal is for changes to the rules and for committee appointments, which are things that happen almost immediately after the Speaker is elected. If McCarthy chose to go back on that deal after being elected Speaker, the Freedom Caucus would immediately move to vacate the chair, and that motion would pass. So McCarthy would be right back where he is now except with his reputation destroyed.
The more rational thinkers within the Freedom Caucus clearly have figured that is the kind of promise you can actually trust. It is only those operating on emotion and personal feelings who refuse to recognize it.
Doublespeak, which I always expect from you.
And 90% plus of the party aren't going to forget Gaetz, Boebert, and Biggs. Money will pour into their districts to finance a primary challenger.
And 90% plus of the party aren't going to forget Gaetz, Boebert, and Biggs. Money will pour into their districts to finance a primary challenger.
And 90% plus of the party aren't going to forget Gaetz, Boebert, and Biggs. Money will pour into their districts to finance a primary challenger.
Thanks! I try not to disappoint. It's also comforting for you to confirm that you don't understand the difference.
It's literally impossible to enact the deal before electing a Speaker because you can't approve the rules and appoint committees until after the Speaker is elected. So at that level, a certain amount of trust is required.
However, the deal is for changes to the rules and for committee appointments, which are things that happen almost immediately after the Speaker is elected. If McCarthy chose to go back on that deal after being elected Speaker, the Freedom Caucus would immediately move to vacate the chair, and that motion would pass. So McCarthy would be right back where he is now except with his reputation destroyed.
The more rational thinkers within the Freedom Caucus clearly have figured that is the kind of promise you can actually trust. It is only those operating on emotion and personal feelings who refuse to recognize it.
This is what a real honest-to-God democratic process looks like, folks. It's not pretty, but it's a darn sight better than the authoritarian, fake-unity set-pieces the democrats come up with.
I guess I'm just gonna say--WOW.
I'm a retired General contractor, I never poured someone a foundation and then said--lets sit down and negotiate a price on your new house.
Negotiations are always prior to any contract/deal.
In theory, most of the rules changes sound like good ideas. However, it should be kept in mind that the reason Pelosi changed the rules was to cripple the GOP minority so that the Dems could enact their agenda. Reversing those rules when the GOP has the majority means that we will be strengthening the power of the Democratic minority, and at a time when whatever majority we may have is razor thin.
And of course, the Democrats can easily reverse all these rules changes the moment they regain power so as to cripple the GOP minority once again.
I just hope the Freedom Caucus hasn't outsmarted itself with this.
I guess I'm just gonna say--WOW.But you can't negotiate a price till you have a plan and that is the issue with mccarthy, his plan. I would not expect ANYONE to vote for a plan that was incomplete or contrary to the goals...
I'm a retired General contractor, I never poured someone a foundation and then said--lets sit down and negotiate a price on your new house.
Negotiations are always prior to any contract/deal.
I think one of the most disconcerting things for me, in all of this, is that you of all people, someone I continually look up to for solid conservatism, is happy with everything that is happening here.
Well, the negotiations are prior to the deal. What you're talking about is having a fully-executed and enforceable contract in place before you begin work as a general contractor. Right?
The problem is that is legally impossible in the House. No matter what deals are negotiated before McCarthy becomes speaker, they aren't enforceable even if they are signed by everyone involved. Legally, they are "gentleman's agreements".
We had 20 people stand their ground on principle. That's going to blow up to 30 to 50 or more if old Kevs starts playing footsie with Rats.
It will be a natural limiter, because the more left he goes, the few GOP votes he gets with now already less than 2 years before his next election.
And if not? Then all hope is lost. I've already been going Galt, the next couple of years will seal the deal of walking away from all interest in federal politics or not, for good.
I think one of the most disconcerting things for me, in all of this, is that you of all people, someone I continually look up to for solid conservatism, is happy with everything that is happening here.
You don't by chance believe in passing bills first so you can read them, do you?
As many have said, Kevs has 200+ votes of solid support. He can make whatever agreement there is stick if the holdouts are with him.
And 90% plus of the party aren't going to forget Gaetz, Boebert, and Biggs. Money will pour into their districts to finance a primary challenger.
It has already be shown that McCarthy is a whore. All they are doing now is trying to determine the price for services.
I'm not happy with conservatives going off half-cocked @LilLamb They end up shooting themselves in the ass, every time, and gain nothing but a sore ass. This is why I have asked from the very start: "What's the plan?" .
I'm hoping the conservatives have learned that strategy does, indeed, count ----. and remember this in every committee they sit on, every piece of legislation they propose and every vote they whip.
These are very right wing anti-RINO districts..... This will galvanize the electorate. All the RINOs you allege can spend themselves dry in the primaries, they'll just be pissing in the wind.
I agree. I was simply addressing those who say you can't trust McCarthy, and therefore can't trust that he'll follow through with this deal. I was pointing out that if he doesn't follow through with the deal, the Freedom Caucus will simply move to vacate the chair.
I'd rather take Vegas odds than anything good coming out of that. :beer:
I don't think 90% of the party can fairly be called "RINO's".
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Lauren Boebert will have Kevin McCarthy's balls in her purse for the next 2 years.
And 90% plus of the party aren't going to forget Gaetz, Boebert, and Biggs. Money will pour into their districts to finance a primary challenger.
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Kevin McCarthy has given away his shirt, pants, socks, and underwear.
He has gutted the Speaker's powers.
All to become Speaker.
Even if he can twist enough arms, it will be a Pyrrhic victory.
Lauren Boebert will have Kevin McCarthy's balls in her purse for the next 2 years.
Rumor has it that part of the agreement/concessions was that there would now be no more funding from the PAC to flip safe R seats.
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Kevin McCarthy has given away his shirt, pants, socks, and underwear.
Lauren Boebert will have Kevin McCarthy's balls in her purse for the next 2 years.
He should be thankful she isn't Lorena Bobbitt.
He should be thankful she isn't Lorena Bobbitt.
50% RINOs, 40% conservatives, who are so self serving, they've sold out.
I know you might be ADD, but the your post was about funding for primaries not existing make up of Congressional GOP.
:mauslaff:
I'm going to have to claim rookies remorse, my quote was intended for the Maj. :beer:
Apologies.
Right. And I don't think everyone who doesn't agree with Gaetz, Boebert, and Biggs can fairly be labelled a "RINO". You're going to have an awful lot of mainstream conservatives who are not happy about the way this played out
He should be thankful she isn't Lorena Bobbitt.
But, they are standing up to hold McCarthy’s feet to the fire. They want solid conservative concessions from him BEFORE they vote for him. I can’t see how you don’t stand up for that.
I agree this was a shit show from Ballot No. 1. But please explain why McCarthy didn't work out all of these details long ago. He honestly has had since last summer to prepare.
Wouldn't that show the leadership, knowing the backlash, and hard feelings this might create within the party?
I'm on board when the smoke clears. But McC's screwed the pooch, and I have a suspicion that there is going to be residual congressional animosity among the 20 for the next two years. McCarthy is at some point have to ask himself..... Was it worth it, and why I didn't prepare earlier.
I was referring to the election for Speaker, but if you want to talk about the electorate in general, fine.
But in that case, I'm not sure you're right. Just because more voters don't want actual socialism doesn't mean they agree with everything the FC stands for. There are still a lot of voters in that great squishy middle, and they'll lean towards whomever seems the most reasonable.
Newton's Third law doesn't have to be balanced by the Freedom Caucus. It could be balanced in the eyes of those voters by just sticking with less socialistic people in the middle who seem more reasonable.
So, whether they perceive a particular conservative as offering a reasonable alternative is critical. And that's often not just an issue of policy, but also about presentation/rhetoric. So while it clearly is important to stick to principles, it is equally important for purposes of expanding support to not just pander to your base with red-meat rhetoric. All that does is get you high fives from your base, while alienating people you might otherwise have been able to persuade.
How candidates are perceived impacts the reality of how people vote.
He better not push her too hard. Lauren gets a little crazy going in those eyes from time to time.
Rumor has it that part of the agreement/concessions was that there would now be no more funding from the PAC to flip safe R seats.
And I am all for that. But this isn't what Gaetz has been saying. The moment it became crystal clear Gaetz was fundraising off a personal vendetta he should have been backbenched and removed as the face and driver of the opposition. Conservatives need to learn this lesson, too.
I don't like the deeper split this has created in the caucas. It has created a level of fury that will be remembered and could surface at the most inopportune times. The first time Gaetz calls for a vacate the chair vote (and he will, unless leashed), the caucas will rupture.
While the goals were solid and necessary, the process was extremely damaging. All I can hope is the damage isn't permanent.
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Kevin McCarthy has given away his shirt, pants, socks, and underwear.
He has gutted the Speaker's powers.
All to become Speaker.
Even if he can twist enough arms, it will be a Pyrrhic victory.
Lauren Boebert will have Kevin McCarthy's balls in her purse for the next 2 years.
I agree this was a shit show from Ballot No. 1. But please explain why McCarthy didn't work out all of these details long ago. He honestly has had since last summer to prepare.
Wouldn't that show the leadership, knowing the backlash, and hard feelings this might create within the party?
I'm on board when the smoke clears. But McC's screwed the pooch, and I have a suspicion that there is going to be residual congressional animosity among the 20 for the next two years. McCarthy is at some point have to ask himself..... Was it worth it, and why I didn't prepare earlier.
Nice way to mend a fractured caucas.
Simple... The RINOs ran over the Conservatives in conference, where their numbers did the trick. And then they just expected Conservatives to kowtow now...Much like my opposition here expected...
That ain't what happened. happy77
He just needs two of these to cave-
Biggs
Boebert
Crane
Gaetz
Good
Rosendale
They are isolated now like the the last few at the Alamo. I think he picks off 2 before the end of the day.
No major disagreements on the merits of the post, but I have to ask the same that I asked the Major....
McCarthy has known through polling and trending, that the GOP would be in the majority since last summer
I agree this was a shit show from Ballot No. 1. But please explain why McCarthy didn't work out all of these details long ago. He honestly has had since last summer to prepare.
I don't know. But, a serious negotiation takes two sides. On the opposition side it's Chip Roy. It took him until Wednesday night to really show up
We could debate how many angels can dance on the head of a pin ad nauseam. Or, we can settle this and refocus on working against the democrats.
The choice is ours.
But we didn't even know who was going to be in Congress back then. We didn't know which party was going to control Congress, how much of a margin they would have, what would be the factions with them whichever margin was elected, etc. Heck, Boebert was a pubic hair away from not getting elected at all. So none of this realistically could start until after the election because you wouldn't know how to even begin counting the votes, or what concessions would be required to get to 218.
Even since early summer, no one, even the dims gave themselves a chance to win the house. Do you even look at or watch RCP?
Incorrect statment.
. . . you of all people, someone I continually look up to for solid conservatism . . .
Crane, Good is my pick to flip.
The point is that without knowing exactly how many seats we have, and exactly who is in each of those seats, it is impossible to know what concessions would have to be made to get McCarthy to 218.
There is a huge difference between just taking conservative actions, and achieving conservative results.
And 90% plus of the party aren't going to forget Gaetz, Boebert, and Biggs. Money will pour into their districts to finance a primary challenger.
RCP turned out to be wrong. They had Republicans at 227 seats with 34 still decided. We ended up at 222, which shouldn't have been possible. And even that was a near thing.
The point is that without knowing exactly how many seats we have, and exactly who is in each of those seats, it is impossible to know what concessions would have to be made to get McCarthy to 218.
That's what the Establishment already does.
Handing the Speaker's chair over to Kevin McCarthy is NOT a Conservative result.
There weren't supposed to be ANY concessions. It was to be a coronation.
You don't by chance believe in passing bills first so you can read them, do you?
I'm not happy with conservatives going off half-cocked @LilLamb They end up shooting themselves in the ass, every time, and gain nothing but a sore ass. This is why I have asked from the very start: "What's the plan?" .
But, they are standing up to hold McCarthy’s feet to the fire. They want solid conservative concessions from him BEFORE they vote for him. I can’t see how you don’t stand up for that.
These guys didn't have a plan either.
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Lauren Boebert will have Kevin McCarthy's balls in her purse for the next 2 years.
What are we on now...roynd 14? Man this should have been a drinking game.
He had plenty of time to work out all the scenrios he'd need to build the caucus?
I think this went EXACTLY according to plan.
There were literally hundreds of possible combinations of people that could have endedup in the GOP caucus after the election. The idea that McCarthy should have been able to negotiate with each of those possible combinations, figuring out exactly what concessions would have to be made to each person within each of those combinations to get them to 218, while all those people were in the middle of a race, is just ridiculous. If you want to believe that, though, that's your business.
Adjourned for the day it looks like.
Anyone catch when they were to reconvene?
Whodathunk they'd have held strong for that many votes and extracted what concessions they did?
We came out alot better than what I thought we would going in.
If there was an organizer for all that, they get a hat tip for the testicular fortitude or titanium ovaries alone.
That's ALL right, despite the hand-wringing and pearl-clutching of the various detractors around here.
We still don't know all the details of this so called agreement. Anyone here trust McCarthy?
If any thing has taught me this week, is that the "Uni-Party label" is more than a motif. It's a real and destructive force strangling the long term functionality of this country.
We still don't know all the details of this so called agreement. Anyone here trust McCarthy?
We still don't know all the details of this so called agreement. Anyone here trust McCarthy?The fact that the Democrats and their media support McCarthy for speaker tells you all you need to know.
Just wanted to read this excellent analysis again. Insightful and so true.
It's more than rumor ..... happy77
No more funding from that one particular PAC, yes. But that won't stop any other PAC from doing the exact same thing
We still don't know all the details of this so called agreement. Anyone here trust McCarthy?
The fact that the Democrats and their media support McCarthy for speaker tells you all you need to know.
If the Democrats want it, whatever it is, you know it cannot be a good thing for America.
Right. And I don't think everyone who doesn't agree with Gaetz, Boebert, and Biggs can fairly be labelled a "RINO".
Not until it shows up in writing, it's not. Trust but verify.
That's because RINOs are now the Republican Party. Because of GOP allegiance to the Uniparty, Conservatives are now the ones who are Republican in Name Only, since they don't buy into the liberalism that today's GOP embraces.
The written agreement was signed days ago
McCarthy Votes (218 needed)
Ballot #- votes
1- 203
2- 203
3- 202
4- 201
5- 201
6- 201
7- 201
8- 201
9- 200
10- 200
11- 200
12- 213
13- 214
Then make it public. No Nancy Pelosi Secret Santa stuff.
Thirteen votes, and McCarthy is still holding firm to Uniparty control.
Keep wearing that aluminum foil hat...tell me again how Jim Jordan is a RINO (he's been supporting McCarthy through 14 votes...clearly he's a uniparty guy, right?)
For clarity, when people like Jordan are too soft and too liberal for ya...its a you problem.
Except they don't support him, that's just something you've made up to feel better.You are a delusional fanatic. I cannot take anything you post seriously.
I've been fighting @roamer_1 for years here at TBR about the so called binary choice for the betterment of the country around party loyalty. I am about to concede.
If any thing has taught me this week, is that the "Uni-Party label" is more than a motif. It's a real and destructive force strangling the long term functionality of this country.
I was a pioneer southern Republican, and the 3rd in the history of my County to Register so in 1975. Looks like that relationship is crumbling
Thirteen votes, and McCarthy is still holding firm to Uniparty control.
Jim Jordan and Chip Roy are uniparty?
Except they don't support him, that's just something you've made up to feel better.
The media and the Dems are in love with 6 holdout morons....LOVE. They are twitterpated that these fools will continue making Conservatives look like dysfunctional monkeys. THAT is why they are cheering this on...and that is why these 6 fools are little more than useful idiots.
The crippling of the House GOP - because that is exactly what has happened - benefits the House Democrats more than anyone else.
It was. Easy for you to find.
https://twitter.com/itskatelambert/status/1611434453561229313
Actually it wasn't, not even on Twitter. I'm not sure what I found is even current.
A press conference would bring much more clarity, but I'm sure Old Kevs doesn't like that kind of sunshine.
Pretty sure the FC doesn't want any of it public either.
https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,488702.0.html (https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,488702.0.html)
Seen that, thx.
From reading the underlying article in The Hill, this seems to be from "sources". The agreements, etc., don't appear to have been punished officially by either McCarthy or the FC. That's pretty common in negotiations.
If they are still negotiating. Once it's done, Old Kevs needs to do a press conference, but he won't.
Well, it won't really matter because the rules votes and committee assignments are public anyway.
That's because RINOs are now the Republican Party. Because of GOP allegiance to the Uniparty, Conservatives are now the ones who are Republican in Name Only, since they don't buy into the liberalism that today's GOP embraces.
Keep wearing that aluminum foil hat...tell me again how Jim Jordan is a RINO (he's been supporting McCarthy through 14 votes...clearly he's a uniparty guy, right?)
For clarity, when people like Jordan are too soft and too liberal for ya...its a you problem.
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We still don't know all the details of this so called agreement. Anyone here trust McCarthy?
NO!
I guess that's why they have to get it in writing and have him sign it. When he suspends the rules and violates the agreement they can at least hold it up and say "see he lied to us".
For some, even here on this board, it’s not about anything other than personal vendetta. They are blind to the fact of real and meaningful concessions having been made.
Well, the rules are voted on as a package. If he tries to screw the FC by leaving out the agreed-upon rules, then the FC just won't vote for the rules package at all, and the vote will fail. And he can't run the house without the rules.
Unless it's in the signed agreement and agreed to by the House the Speaker has the power to suspend the rules.
No thanks to you azzhole
He doesn't have any more NFT to pimp?
Matt Gaetz: Kevin McCarthy Likely to Win Speakership
Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-FL), a vocal opponent of House GOP Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-CA), signaled to reporters that McCarthy may be headed for a victory in the speaker race after more than half of those who had initially opposed him flipped their vote in favor of the leader in the 12th round of voting Friday afternoon.
more
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/01/06/matt-gaetz-kevin-mccarthy-likely-to-win-speakership/
Does that mean he will resign? Isn't that what he said?
Of course, he still looks like something of a jackass for repeatedly saying McCarthy should withdraw because there was absolutely no chance of him getting enough votes, and calling him derogatory names for staying in anyway.
Gaetz is standing two away from Scalise.... He's got the votes.
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Gaetz will come in at the end to be the vote that puts McCarthy over the top.
Harris voted McCarthy in the last round
Not a pick up
Can you change your vote?
Can you change your vote?
Gaetz is talking nice talk now. McCarthy is a standup guy, and all that.
I believe so, right after roll call.
I tried to tell you yesterday that this would all be over in 48 hours with McCarthy as Speaker…you scoffed at that possibility.
Depending final roster totals, I figure McCarthy needs to pick up 3 or 4. So far, all he has gotten is 1 present (Boebert). Which I only understand only drops the no. of majority needed. So the way I see it, he needs to go 3 for 3 with Gaetz, Rosendale, and Gosar. Now tht Biggs and Crane went thumbs down.
Present voted McCarthy again
Huh?
Huh?
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So Matt Gaetz and Matt Gaetz alone decides if Kevin McCarthy becomes Speaker.
Extreme Pressure on Boebert and Gaetz
Doesn't look like it's gonna happen tonight...MCcarthy is pissed
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Mike Rogers of Alabama lunged at Matt Gaetz after Kevin McCarthy walked away from him.
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Mike Rogers of Alabama lunged at Matt Gaetz after Kevin McCarthy walked away from him.
Good stuff!
As far as I'm concerned, the Pottery Barn rule is in effect. Gaetz has broken the caucus. McCarthy should cancel any agreements or concessions, restart at square one, and settle in for the long haul on voting.
Let Gaetz see if he can get someone else to 218 with McCarthy still in the race.
My guess is that Jeffries or some outsider gets their first.
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Mike Rogers of Alabama lunged at Matt Gaetz after Kevin McCarthy walked away from him.
Exactly. Time to pull back all concessions and start talking to the Dems and see if they can make a new deal. No other option for Republicans at this point….can never give in to Gaetz and his little cadre of self aggrandizers.
And there it is...
I would vote 'no' to adjourn. Make them stay all weekend.
Exactly. Time to pull back all concessions and start talking to the Dems and see if they can make a new deal. No other option for Republicans at this point….can never give in to Gaetz and his little cadre of self aggrandizers.
It’s that or Hakeem Jeffries becomes Speaker. Out of other options.
Options have been listed here, you are the one that suggested some are so Rino they would vote for a liberal (and I believe you). The only way to get Jeffries is true colors be shown, and you know it is coming.
Options have been listed here, you are the one that suggested some are so Rino they would vote for a liberal (and I believe you). The only way to get Jeffries is true colors be shown, and you know it is coming.
Could also go the plurality route, and force the six to choose between Jeffries and McCarthy. I suspect they'd choose Jeffries, but at least that way, the GOP could be the obstructionists rather than the targets of obstructionism by both the 6 and Democrats.
If Dems had crossed over on the first vote and put McCarthy in there, the Conservatives would have gotten zero concessions.
But they didn't, and the Conservatives held out to get us to this point tonight. I'm not understanding what they are lacking?
Explain…how would that work?
2) Rules changes that will make it much easier for Democrats to sabotage the GOP majority.
I don't have a problem with rules that sabotage the majority. Gridlock means less money gets spent.
They seem to be revoting to have another vote and skip the adjournment after Gaetz and McCarthy has a brief talk on the way out.
Until you get a new working majority consisting of Democrats and the five or six most liberal Republicans who don't want to be held responsible for an unfunded government, and who are sick of the six.
This is, by far, the most fun hubby and I have had on a Friday night in a long time. Talk about theater!
You betcha. Beats watching reruns of "Murder She Wrote".
Gaetz don't overplay your hand...
That's what we have already.
Maybe he offered Gaetz a hand job in the cloakroom.Or maybe he finally agreed to let Gaetz give him one.
Republicans now trying to save face by switching their adjournment votes.
Scuttlebutt is Gaetz will vote for McCarthy in round 15. No one's putting money on it, quite yet.
Better keep it going. Matt Gaetz with a weekend to himself:
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Scuttlebutt is Gaetz will vote for McCarthy in round 15. No one's putting money on it, quite yet.
What could possibly have “changed” from vote 14 to vote 15? If he changes his vote now for no reason it just shows this was all BS.
Maybe it was the dude from Alabama threatening to knock his block off…
Scuttlebutt is Gaetz will vote for McCarthy in round 15. No one's putting money on it, quite yet.
No matter what pretty words are said afterwards, this schism won't heal
What could possibly have “changed” from vote 14 to vote 15? If he changes his vote now for no reason it just shows this was all BS.
Gaetz was all over Fox earlier saying he can't think of anything else to ask for and calling McCarthy Speaker-designate. He has no reason not to vote for him.
I wonder if we'll ever find out what's been going on behind the scenes?
Scuttlebutt is Gaetz will vote for McCarthy in round 15. No one's putting money on it, quite yet.
Charlie Kirk is saying Trump called and basically told Gaetz he MUST vote McCarthy!
Gaetz may be the one to put McCarthy over the top.
He won't. He'll vote 'Present' again.
Biggs, Boebert and Crane still voting Present.
Biggs, Boebert and Crane still voting Present.
This is a change for Biggs and Crane and a positive for McCarthy
Wouldn't that make Rosedale the VOTE?
Maybe it was the dude from Alabama threatening to knock his block off…
Yes. The only things that blocks McCarthy are votes for other candidates. McCarthy could survive up to 9 'present' votes as long as there are no GOP votes for other candidates.
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Gaetz present
Sorry, I cannot see whatever it was that you posted. Darn Apple products.
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Yep. Thanks!
Here's a replay:
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I wonder if the photo will make it into the Congressional newsletter :laugh:
Maybe it was the dude from Alabama threatening to knock his block off…
We need a Tom Delay in this Congress.
McCarthy has it.
Ummm. We are WAYYYY past that now.
I guess not.
Gaetz played it like a harp.
This was take no prisoners negotiation.
Well that isn't McCarthy...
Scalise is the Whip. He sucks at his job.
Well at least we got some good concessions out of him instead of doing what the Trumpers wanted here~just fold up shop and let the screwing begin.
Big time.
It isn't McCarthy's job.
We need a Tom Delay in this Congress.:yowsa:
Trump himself will take credit for this marvelous achievement ofRepublicansConservatives.
Trump himself will take credit for this marvelous achievement ofRepublicansConservatives.
Well, he might want to wait until they actual achieve something tangible rather than just symbolic. Changing rules doesn't do any good unless it improves the eventual legislation.
Rosendale as silent as @roamer_1 on a Friday night.
The rules changes still have to pass the full House ...
If you're the party out of power, taking the Speaker's power and dispersing it to all members equally is a massive gift.
The rules changes still have to pass the full House ...
Sounds like the arrangement of the deck chairs was successfully decided.
Let's sit and listen to the string quartet for a while. They play a lovely tune.
Jeffries Gavel handover speech was an epic abomination, .....disgusting.
Human garbage is too kind of a description of this piece of work.
He was auditioning to be the next Dem presidential candidate.
In the coming weeks, we'll be listening to Sean Hannity boast about all the hard-won Conservative gains, totally oblivious to the fact that he opposed all their actions.
McCarthy and Roy should thank him.
I don't think that will be an issue. The House needs rules to function, the FC won't vote for the Rules unless they contain all the bargained-for provisions, so it'll all be in there.
Other than the Holman rule, all those rule changes greatly benefit the party out of power, so the Dems won't put up much of a fight though they'll vote against them just on principle.
And to those who think they won't benefit the Democrats, here's what Matt Rosendale said on the House floor to Maxine Waters:
"Last summer we began to negotiate, a group of us in good faith, a list of changes, amendments, to the rules of this body. Not to empower ourselves, not to bring personal benefit to ourselves, but to empower you and you and you, Maxine, and you, and you, and everyone sitting in this chamber equally," Rosendale said....
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/rep-elect-maxine-waters-appears-shouting-match-republicans-house-floor
If you're the party out of power, taking the Speaker's power and dispersing it to all members equally is a massive gift.
Think Obama but even twice as nasty......
Which countered McCarthy's concillatory tone.
And there is our problem. We don't need a GOP Speaker who is conciliatory, and will play nice. We need one who will cut these bastards off at the knees, and smile while he does it.
And exactly what do you find so distasteful about fully empowered house members @Maj. Bill Martin ?
InGodWeTrust
@_yogi_Bear_61
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Anyone wanna bet Kevin McCarthy cuts a deal with the Democrats and screws us all.
I'm getting ready to head out to tennis practice later. What are the odds that we have a Speaker by the time I get back?
**nononono*
Ben Domenech
@bdomenech
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Adam Kinzinger has joined CNN! What's your reaction?
https://twitter.com/KevinTober94/status/1610795461740208140
McCarthy: "Speaking of committees, we will hold the swamp accountable, from the withdrawal of Afghanistan, to the origins of Covid and to the weaponization of the FBI. Let me be very clear. We will use the power of the purse and the power of the subpoena to get the job done.". (
@mystery-ak
Well,he has been reduced to speaking on CNN,so who can blame him if he starts crying?
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@Right_in_Virginia, nothing like rubbing it in..... 9999hair out0000
Charlie Kirk
@Charliekirk
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Heard from multiple sources that it was Trump’s calls that sealed the deal.
What's the "it"? @catfish1957
Ah, those wonderful sources.... is that a tribe? Just seems to be a lot of them
Charlie Kirk
@Charliekirk
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Heard from multiple sources that it was Trump’s calls that sealed the deal.
And exactly what do you find so distasteful about fully empowered house members @Maj. Bill Martin ?
Nothing - if those are the Rules that apply regardless of who is controlling the chamber. But they aren't, and they won't be the next time the Dems are in charge. They'll change the Rules right back to enable their majority to run roughshod over our minority.
So all we did was turbo-charge the leftist ratchet effect.
"it" being the fact we got McCarthy. I'm already over it, but having Zellinskyyyyyyyyyyyy crowing about, just doesn't help.
Don't you think McCarthy using the term "swamp accountability" exudes a bit of irony, and warrant some laughter?
He iz the swamp... :cool:
In any case, I am glad it's over.
Under the pending rules package it will matter more what his caucas does than what McCarthy does. Conservatives had a very big win here. Now they need to get to work and show why their win is a good thing.
Nothing - if those are the Rules that apply regardless of who is controlling the chamber. That way, we would have an equal shot at gumming up the Democrats' agenda.
But the Rules aren't the same, and they won't be the next time the Dems are in charge. They'll change the Rules right back to enable their majority to run roughshod over our minority, and to ram through their leftist agenda.
So all we did was turbo-charge the leftist ratchet effect.
I'd be a bit less pessimistic if we had a 20-30 vote margin, but we don't.
You mean just like the Democrats have been doing for years? This didn't open any doors for the Democrats next time they control the house, they would have done the same either way.
I might be looking at this way too simplistically, but with the "1" no confidence provision, does Kev become nothhing more but a high profile procurement logistics clerk, and club president who divies committee assignments and chairmanships?
Got to love a plan. :cool:
Especially since those that stopped the show are against sending more to Ukraine....and they have the voting bloc to defeat any more requests. Zelensky needs to better pace himself.
You mean just like the Democrats have been doing for years? This didn't open any doors for the Democrats next time they control the house, they would have done the same either way.
Thomas Jefferson originally put that in.
I might be looking at this way too simplistically, but with the "1" no confidence provision, does Kev become nothhing more but a high profile procurement logistics clerk, and club president who divies committee assignments and chairmanships?
Got to love a plan. :cool:
And for the life of me, I can't understand why there are people here opposed to it. It's effectively an endorsement of Pelosi's style of leadership.
Pretty much. Just remember where the blame goes when it goes to hell.
Again....
The rule weakens the Speaker, which means it weakens the ability of the majority to get things done. That's perfectly fine if it applies regardless of which side is in power.
However, if it only applies when one side is in power, that creates a structural bias where one party has an easier time advancing its agenda than the other does in trying to reverse it.
Guess we can just wait and see how it turns out, though.
I'm OK with that.
In any given year, GOP control over either house can stop anything the Democrats try to fund. That has always been in place. The problem is that there are enough Republican collaborators out there to vote along with the Democrats.
Take Planned Parenthood funding for example. In 2017, we had a GOP House, a GOP Senate, and a GOP President. And when it came time to pass and sign a budget, did Republicans use their control to block Planned Parenthood funding from that budget? No.
This shit has got to stop. And it has to stop now.
I might be looking at this way too simplistically, but with the "1" no confidence provision, does Kev become nothhing more but a high profile procurement logistics clerk, and club president who divies committee assignments and chairmanships?
Got to love a plan. :cool:
And for the life of me, I can't understand why there are people here opposed to it. It's effectively an endorsement of Pelosi's style of leadership.
The blame for everything bad is going to go to the Republicans, and the credit for everything good is going to go to the Democrats. And there is nothing Republicans can do to change that. So the best thing they can do is to stop operating out of fear, and instead do what is right for the nation as a whole. And #1 on that list is to stop spending money we don't have.
Pelosi's style of leadership was effective as hell.
Pelosi's style of leadership was effective as hell. She just exercised it in a leftist direction.
How so?
The new rules make it even easier for the Dems to offer amendments.
Pelosi's style of leadership was effective as hell. She just exercised it in a leftist direction.
How about we just make sure they never get the opportunity again!
Told yall last night the Trumpers would take credit for something they wanted to demolish in the first place. Correct me if I'm wrong but when MTG tried to hand her phone to Gaetz with the DJT call, he didn't take it.
Unless this change comes with a maximum number of amendments, it allows the democrats to use this to stall, if not stop, the GOP agenda.
You're wrong. It was Matt Rosenthal.
Gaetz, as did Biggs, took Trump's call.
Voting had raged on since Tuesday, as a block of 21 Republicans, primarily driven by House Freedom Caucus members, repeatedly voted against McCarthy. However, the deal McCarthy and his allies struck with the delegation budged enough detractors to land the California Republican the speaker’s gavel.
Chief among those responsible for forging a compromise was Trump, according to several GOP members of Congress and a source familiar with the conversations.
Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH), who will chair the Judiciary Committee in the 118th Congress and was a crucial player in these negotiations, lauded Trump for his work helping to bring about a deal.
"This doesn’t get done without the support and leadership of President Trump,” he told Breitbart News.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/01/06/donald-trump-played-crucial-role-in-getting-speaker-elect-kevin-mccarthy-across-finish-line/
Mike Rogers lunges at Matt Gaetz during House speaker voting, other members forced to intervene:
Now this is pathetic behavior IMO.
You got that right. How dare someone restrain Rogers.
If the GOP agenda is to not allocate any taxpayer money to fund abortion, how are these rules going to allow Democrats to stall if not stop that agenda?
QuoteVoting had raged on since Tuesday, as a block of 21 Republicans, primarily driven by House Freedom Caucus members, repeatedly voted against McCarthy. However, the deal McCarthy and his allies struck with the delegation budged enough detractors to land the California Republican the speaker’s gavel.
Chief among those responsible for forging a compromise was Trump, according to several GOP members of Congress and a source familiar with the conversations.
Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH), who will chair the Judiciary Committee in the 118th Congress and was a crucial player in these negotiations, lauded Trump for his work helping to bring about a deal.
"This doesn’t get done without the support and leadership of President Trump,” he told Breitbart News.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/01/06/donald-trump-played-crucial-role-in-getting-speaker-elect-kevin-mccarthy-across-finish-line/
More importantly, it allows Conservatives to stop the RINO-Liberal Fusion agenda... For the first time in a long time.
Mike Rogers lunges at Matt Gaetz during House speaker voting, other members forced to intervene: video
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mike-rogers-lunges-matt-gaetz-house-speaker-voting-members-forced-intervene-video
Now this is pathetic behavior IMO.
If we only had the same anger and emotion towards our dimocratic enemies. Just think.......
Yep. And there are people on this forum who are highly upset about that.
Here's your (THE) headline: Donald Trump Played Crucial Role in Getting Speaker Kevin McCarthy Across Finish Line
Notice that it doesn't say Trump Played Crucial Role in Gaining Concessions for Conservatives'. It only credits Trump with getting an establishment hack in the Speaker's chair.
So why is Jim Jordan so pleased with the President's efforts and the outcome?
More importantly, it allows Conservatives to stop the RINO-Liberal Fusion agenda... For the first time in a long time.
Exactly how can it do that? The members of the Freedom Caucus are outnumbered 10-1 by the other members of the House.
If the rest of the Republicans truly are no different from Democrats, there isn't a damn thing the FC can do to even slow down their legislation either in committee or on the floor.
The only way the FC will be relevant on legislation is if the rest of the GOP isn't just the same as the Democrats. But that goes against everything you guys apparently believe.
Exactly how can it do that? The members of the Freedom Caucus are outnumbered 10-1 by the other members of the House. If the rest of the Republicans truly are no different from Democrats, there isn't a damn thing the FC can do to even slow down their legislation either in committee or on the floor. They wouldn't have anything close to the number of votes.
The only way the FC will be relevant on legislation is if the rest of the GOP isn't just the same as the Democrats. But that goes against everything you guys apparently believe.
Here's your headline: Donald Trump Played Crucial Role in Getting Speaker Kevin McCarthy Across Finish Line
Notice that it doesn't say 'Trump Played Crucial Role in Gaining Concessions for Conservatives'. It only credits Trump with getting an establishment hack in the Speaker's chair. Nowhere in any of this does Trump have a shred of understanding of House rules. His only concern was having a political ally leading the House that could help him with his 2024 election. That's it. Implementing Conservative policy wasn't even an afterthought with him.
If Trump doesn't step into this at the end, we're all looking at Hakeem Jeffries sitting in the Speaker's chair. You can deflect and divert all you want, but that's simply what occurred last night. Trump called and these guys changed their votes in way that made McCarthy Speaker. Trying to portray it differently is just dishonest.
Trump himself will take credit for this marvelous achievement ofRepublicansConservatives.
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Thank G-d that Boebert, Gaetz, Rosendale, Biggs, etc. told Trump to pound sand while they were working on achieving a victory for Conservatives.
If Trump doesn't step into this at the end, we're all looking at Hakeem Jeffries sitting in the Speaker's chair. You can deflect and divert all you want, but that's simply what occurred last night. Trump called and these guys changed their votes in way that made McCarthy Speaker. Trying to portray it differently is just dishonest.
Charlie Kirk is saying Trump called and basically told Gaetz he MUST vote McCarthy!
I wish Trump would have butted the heck out. This was not the place to interject himself, but he did.
I wish Trump would have butted the heck out. This was not the place to interject himself, but he did.
Report: MTG Tried to Place Rep. Rosendale on Phone with Trump After He Voted Against McCarthyDayum. That girl has some guns.
Rep. Majorie Taylor Greene (R-GA) reportedly tried to place Rep. Matt Rosendale (R-MT) on a live phone call with former President Donald J. Trump Friday night moments after Rosendale voted against Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) for speaker of the House on the unsuccessful 14th ballot.
more
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/01/06/mtg-tried-put-rosendale-phone-trump-anti-mccarthy-vote/
She never brought legislation to the floor unless she had the votes......and she knew how to get the votes, no matter how long it took.
Disagree with her tactics, but they worked and pushed her agenda into law.
This was your post yesterday:
So who did Gaetz vote for? He certainly didn't vote for McCarthy like Trump asked.
By voting present, he voted to make McCarthy Speaker. As Trump wanted him to do. Not sure what part of that you find confusing?
Mike Rogers lunges at Matt Gaetz during House speaker voting, other members forced to intervene: video
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mike-rogers-lunges-matt-gaetz-house-speaker-voting-members-forced-intervene-video
Now this is pathetic behavior IMO.
More importantly, it allows Conservatives to stop the RINO-Liberal Fusion agenda... For the first time in a long time.
Let's go back to the beginning when Conservatives were fighting this battle alone against the Establishment:
Trump’s endorsement proves worthless to Kevin McCarthy in his speaker bid (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/gop-rebels-block-kevin-mccarthy-defiance-trump-rcna64280)
Thank G-d that Boebert, Gaetz, Rosendale, Biggs, etc. told Trump to pound sand while they were working on achieving a victory for Conservatives.
Good question since Trump had nothing to do with achieving what these 20 Conservatives achieved (Jordan not being one of them).
If Trump doesn't step into this at the end, we're all looking at Hakeem Jeffries sitting in the Speaker's chair. You can deflect and divert all you want, but that's simply what occurred last night. Trump called and these guys changed their votes in way that made McCarthy Speaker. Trying to portray it differently is just dishonest.
By voting present, he voted to make McCarthy Speaker. As Trump wanted him to do. Not sure what part of that you find confusing?
By voting present, he voted to make McCarthy Speaker. As Trump wanted him to do. Not sure what part of that you find confusing?
I think there were subliminal messages in 'The Apprentice' because without fail everyone I've asked that voted for Trump had seen that series or some part of it.
In 15 votes, he changed his vote from Daniels, Hern, Trump, Biggs to finally 'Present' because he didn't want to offend Trump, give me a break. He was scared of that bad azz Florida dude with the bad toupee!!!!
Trump stepped in to help close the deal on Friday, saving Republicans from themselves.
Still making it up as you go.
Good question since Trump had nothing to do with achieving what these 20 Conservatives achieved (Jordan not being one of them).
Chief among those responsible for forging a compromise was Trump, according to several GOP members of Congress and a source familiar with the conversations.
Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH), who will chair the Judiciary Committee in the 118th Congress and was a crucial player in these negotiations, lauded Trump for his work helping to bring about a deal.
"This doesn’t get done without the support and leadership of President Trump,” he told Breitbart News.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/01/06/donald-trump-played-crucial-role-in-getting-speaker-elect-kevin-mccarthy-across-finish-line/
No, I am not. I understand your skepticism -----
Again, Trump stepped in before Round 1, telling everyone to confirm McCarthy with ZERO concessions.
Chief among those responsible for forging a compromise was Trump, according to several GOP members of Congress and a source familiar with the conversations.
Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH), who will chair the Judiciary Committee in the 118th Congress and was a crucial player in these negotiations, lauded Trump for his work helping to bring about a deal.
"This doesn’t get done without the support and leadership of President Trump,” he told Breitbart News.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/01/06/donald-trump-played-crucial-role-in-getting-speaker-elect-kevin-mccarthy-across-finish-line/
Here's what he thinks about Trump's involvement:
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Again, Jordan was not one of the 20.
Never said Jordan was. Are you saying the 20 were negotiating with themselves? *hmmmm*
thebradfordfile
@thebradfordfile
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Never underestimate the ability of Republicans to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
Actually, in this case it's the "conservatives" doing the snatching.
Another complete disconnect with what was said. What once were vices are now habits.
Were they negotiating with themselves? Of course not. There is nothing posted on this board by anyone that even remotely suggests that. It is an idiotic claim with zero basis and zero connection to the ongoing discussion. Typical non-rational bullshit.
BUT, since Jordan was not one of the 20, maybe, just maybe he wasn't party to the negotiations of the 20 with the leadership (i.e. Kevin McCarthy). He certainly wasn't a party of those 20 holding up the confirmation of McCarthy in order to get those rules changes. Nope. Jordan was on already on board with McCarthy with zero concessions.
So maybe, just maybe, Jordan was not privy to these negotiations, and didn't get any phone call from Trump. Anyway, that is what one can come up with using critical thinking. But not you. Instead, you drop some senseless bullshit bomb implying some ludicrous idea of the 20 negotiating with themselves. Do you ever read the words you post before clicking that button?
Again, you were one of the ones here backing McCarthy before any concessions were won. Consider the insanity of that. While the Conservatives on this forum were cheering on the 20 to squeeze every concession they could possibly get out of the leadership, you were ridiculing them. Why? Because Trump wanted McCarthy in that seat with no regard to concessions. Round after round, the Conservatives resisted. They ignored Trump while squeezing more and more concessions out of McCarthy. And you howled. You complained. You criticized, urging again and again for the House to get in line and put McCarthy in that seat pronto.
In the end, the Conservatives won. They ignored your advice. They ignored Trump's advice. They won. And you have the chutzpah to give Trump all the credit? How dishonest.
Beautiful Presentation @Hoodat
And let the record show that @Right_in_Virginia was also on board the McCarthy train from Ballot 1, and openly criticized other members here cheering on each hard-won Conservative concession.
To hell with your Establishment-loving god.
It may well be that this was Jordan's moment and because he hesitated it may never come again. Maybe Jordan has gone as far as he is going to go.
Again, Trump stepped in before Round 1, telling everyone to confirm McCarthy with ZERO concessions.
I never saw a minute of The Apprentice."
Really? You really do understand my skepticism? Because I am now having difficult reconciling this statement with the complete absence of any facts to support your claim - a claim with the sole purpose of validating that Donald J. Trump is the cause of everything good in the world - a claim which also is contradicted by the actions of others.
Doesn't smell right when DJT claims credit after arm twisting results in 13 cosecutive rebukes of that advise.
Try flipping a coin 13 times in a row with consecutive results.
There is no doubt his influence and power has waned.... especially after being embarassed from his hand picked choices of Oz and Walker.
I'm absolutely no fan of Trump at all, but it is certainly possible that his continued pressure was one of the factors that led the FC to agree to that deal in the end.
But it's also true that he was not responsible at all for the FC getting any concessions.
@MesacloneSilly me!
Why are you defending Trump?
Don't you know he is both rich and rude????
Not to mention orange.
Why don’t we all just call it a win-win and move forward. This argument had to happen, but it never should have happened on the House floor. Where it would end was rather obvious and we should all willing to blame both the McCarthy Faction AND the FC for failing to resolve this behind closed doors. Not OK the way it went down, and going to be very costly in our next election cycle…but all Republicans can do now is go on the attack through these committees and via legislation. That requires unity of purpose so it’s time for everyone to end the family fight and man the barricades…because the horde is coming for us all.
Why don’t we all just call it a win-win and move forward. This argument had to happen, but it never should have happened on the House floor. Where it would end was rather obvious and we should all willing to blame both the McCarthy Faction AND the FC for failing to resolve this behind closed doors. Not OK the way it went down, and going to be very costly in our next election cycle…but all Republicans can do now is go on the attack through these committees and via legislation. That requires unity of purpose so it’s time for everyone to end the family fight and man the barricades…because the horde is coming for us all.
Nah. a clear win, and a clear capitulation. And I fervently hope the FC uses those concessions to obstruct everything coming from both sides. Screw 'ending the family fight'. Because your horde is made up of BOTH parties... And the best way to stop them now is to f*** up everything. Lock it up so bad them sonsabiches can't move nothing, and can't spend nothing. Suits me fine.
All this "win-win" "rah rah rah" stuff is contingent on McCarthy able to be trusted. **nononono*
Nah. a clear win, and a clear capitulation. And I fervently hope the FC uses those concessions to obstruct everything coming from both sides.If that is their goal, they will fail miserably because they don't have the votes to obstruct everything indefinitely. And when the dam breaks, the result will be worse than if they'd been willing to settle for something less that complete obstruction.
If that is their goal, they will fail miserably because they don't have the votes to obstruct everything indefinitely. And when the dam breaks, the result will be worse than if they'd been willing to settle for something less that complete obstruction.
And I know the response will be "well, at least they would have tried."
As if that actually matters.
I have not been able to 100% monitor this fast moving thread. Can somebody please tell me what "FC" means?
Freedom caucus?
Why don’t we all just call it a win-win and move forward. This argument had to happen, but it never should have happened on the House floor. Where it would end was rather obvious and we should all willing to blame both the McCarthy Faction AND the FC for failing to resolve this behind closed doors. Not OK the way it went down, and going to be very costly in our next election cycle…but all Republicans can do now is go on the attack through these committees and via legislation. That requires unity of purpose so it’s time for everyone to end the family fight and man the barricades…because the horde is coming for us all.
Conservative 101: NONE of them can be trusted - And least of all, those that control the power... And least among them, McCarthy and MurderTurdle.
Damn straight you don't trust em. And hold their feet right IN the fire, Every minute of every day, because you already know damnwell they ain't going to do your bidding otherwise.
TWENTY FRIGGIN TRILLION DOLLARS passed by a Republican House, and Republican senate, and signed by a Republican president. Lying mealymouth sonsabiches.
Anything they can do to obstruct that will be a favor.
If they "obstruct" it for a couple of weeks into October, and then an even larger spending bill ends of passing, that's a loss. I mean, it's a loss of the country. It may not be a loss for the political fortunes of the holdouts who will pander for votes by saying they held firm, and it was everyone else's fault.
If they "obstruct" it for a couple of weeks into October, and then an even larger spending bill ends of passing, that's a loss. I mean, it's a loss of the country. It may not be a loss for the political fortunes of the holdouts who will pander for votes by saying they held firm, and it was everyone else's fault.
NONE can be trusted is a cold, hard fact.
So you are *for* the 'goes along gets along solution', even though they are spending more than we make. They are putting your grandchildren in debt even as we speak.
But you were NOT for fighting for concessions... And now that those hard fought concessions have been won, you council against USING THEM.
When has anything ever been won with such timidity?
You are already defeated before you started. The spending madness is rapidly destroying the country. It is going to consume everything. And no one is even attempting to put on the brakes.
If they "obstruct" it for a couple of weeks into October, and then an even larger spending bill ends of passing, that's a loss. I mean, it's a loss of the country. It may not be a loss for the political fortunes of the holdouts who will pander for votes by saying they held firm, and it was everyone else's fault.
You are already defeated before you started. The spending madness is rapidly destroying the country. It is going to consume everything. And no one is even attempting to put on the brakes.
If that is their goal, they will fail miserably because they don't have the votes to obstruct everything indefinitely. And when the dam breaks, the result will be worse than if they'd been willing to settle for something less that complete obstruction.
And I know the response will be "well, at least they would have tried."
As if that actually matters.
I have not been able to 100% monitor this fast moving thread. Can somebody please tell me what "FC" means?
@Cyber Liberty
The first thing that comes to MY mind is "Bleep Canada!"
NONE can be trusted is a cold, hard fact.
You are already defeated before you started. The spending madness is rapidly destroying the country. It is going to consume everything. And no one is even attempting to put on the brakes.
So you think a block of 30 can dictate the results in a body of 425? Not going to happen.
What they can do is push for the most conservative agenda for which 218 votes can be mustered, which is going to mean they won't get everything they want, and are going to have to make some concessions to some other members of the GOP.
Because if they don't, and just hang on to absolutist positions of refusing to compromise on anything, the most liberal members of the GOP caucus will end up cutting deals with the Democrats rather than the conservatives, and that will be a worse deal.
Conservative 101: NONE of them can be trusted - And least of all, those that control the power... And least among them, McCarthy and MurderTurdle.
Damn straight you don't trust em. And hold their feet right IN the fire, Every minute of every day, because you already know damnwell they ain't going to do your bidding otherwise.
I'm for the approach that results in the most conservative spending possible being enacted. That is NOT what is going to happen if the FC refuses to compromise on anything and insists on 100% of its agenda.
Not true. I was in favor of fighting for some of the concessions -- the committee on FBI/CIA, for example. I do think the insistence on meaningless votes for terms limits and a balanced budget was stupid, and a complete waste of time. I don't like all off the new rules, and I absolutely did not like how Gaetz went public with a bunch of personal attacks. The tactics were crappy.
When has anything ever been won with stupidity?
I have not been able to 100% monitor this fast moving thread. Can somebody please tell me what "FC" means?
@berdie
Not true. ANY of them can be trusted if the voters would hold their feet to the fire and PROMISE they they will lose their offices/positions unless they "toe the line".
The people most at fault in this clusterbiden are "we,the voters" because we let them get away with this crap if they just support one bill that benefits US.
We need to look past "Me,me,ME,DAMMIT!",and start paying some serious attention to "US,US,US,DAMMIT!" or there is going to be no "US". All the power is going to belong to "THEM",and I can guarantee you that 99 percent of you ain't gonna like it.
The path we were on sure wasn't working!
The victory I see out of this is not only rules being changed, but we have 20 Pubs who are willing to fight for us! It's been a long time since I could say that.
Absolutely. The goal here should not be getting the Republican agenda passed. The goal should to block the Uniparty from getting their agenda passed.
I'm for the approach that results in the most conservative spending possible being enacted.
But that's the problem. You won't be blocking them. As Sneaky and the Major made clear, all you'll do is force the 5-10 lib Republicans into alliance with the Dems...who will vote in a solid block...and you'll get a far more liberal and spendy legislation than you would if you'd worked within the caucus.
And it is ugly, as Sneaky said...but its also the truth of the situation. The only way to really slow and reverse spending is to get enough voters on board to elect a STRONGLY conservative Congress. Its just that simple.
I oppose anything where the word 'spending' is preceded by the qualifier 'most'.
I oppose anything where the word 'spending' is preceded by the qualifier 'most'.
Again, the ONLY goal that will work towards restoring a positive future for this country is to reduce spending below 19% of GDP (for starters). Anything short of this will result in more debt.
A Republican President could get this done without Congress. But it would require a Republican President who shares the economic and political philosophy of the 20 Conservatives who stood in the gap.
But that's the problem. You won't be blocking them. As Sneaky and the Major made clear, all you'll do is force the 5-10 lib Republicans into alliance with the Dems...who will vote in a solid block...and you'll get a far more liberal and spendy legislation than you would if you'd worked within the caucus. And it is ugly, as Sneaky said...but its also the truth of the situation. The only way to really slow and reverse spending is to get enough voters on board to elect a STRONGLY conservative Congress. Its just that simple.
And don't forget that one of the hard-won 'demands' of the Conservatives was that Establishment Swampers like Kevin McCarthy stop using PAC money to get Conservatives defeated in safe Republican districts.
The only chance for even getting close to that target is to return to a process that requires appropriations bills to come out of their specific committee and limits amendments to only be specific to that subject. Oh wait a minute, isn't that what the 20 FC members just fought for?
It won't be easy, but we sure have a better chance with the rule changes then we did before.
Well, the "most" qualifier was applied to "conservative", not to "spending", but if you don't like "most conservative", than you just do you!
Try 'most Conservative budget cutting'. I want less spending, not more. Every Democrat pet project for the last 40 years, I want gone. Forever.
Good luck getting that with 25 House members.
Better chance now with the rules changes than there would be had the status quo establishment won. But we'll put you down for the usual 5% increase in taxpayer funding for Planned Parenthood, since that is in keeping with the old rule status quo. For our side though, it will be easier omitting it from one smaller appropriation bill than from one giant omnibus screw-you to the American people.
I think we all know the purpose of the Omnibus bills is to force people to swallow what they don't want. American as apple pie.
End the omnibus bills, kill that Christmas Tree.
For our side though, it will be easier omitting it from one smaller appropriation bill than from one giant omnibus screw-you to the American people.
Absolutely. The goal here should not be getting the Republican agenda passed. The goal should to block the Uniparty from getting their agenda passed.
I agree. Passing those 12 individual appropriations bills is the way to go. That's going to be difficult to do under these rules, and with only a 4 vote cushion, but perhaps it could be done if the entire caucus was committed to actually passing those bills. But here's the problem:
You seem to have very little interest in actually passing those those 12 smaller appropriations bills. You just view having that rule as a way to stymie Democrats, not a way to actually pass legislation. And I suspect Gaetz and Co,. agree with you. Hope I'm wrong, but I suspect not.
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If you want separate appropriations bills to work, you have to start with the goal of actually getting them passed. But that doesn't appear to be the case.
In theory then, it would be better not to try at all, right? *rolls eyes*
Of course, that jibes with your insistence earlier that these inept Conservatives would have been better leaving well enough alone... Leaving you with your chips bet upon the Rino-liberal status quo.
I'm all for it if they're actually going to try to pass those bills. But there's a bit of "this is all a facade because we're really going to try to stop anything from getting passed" attitude to this.
I don't think having the right intentions or goals is enough. I think you have to actually think through a plan for getting there. As I said, this might work if the Freedom Caucus is willing to make some compromises to get those 12 separate appropriations bills passed.
In any case, what that means is that when it gets down to the wire in September/October, and there still are a few of the biggest bills outstanding, what do you suppose is going to happen when the Freedom Caucus refuses to budge on anything? Well...the Rules can be changed by a majority of the House, and a "Speaker in a straightjacket" isn't going to be able to stop it even if he wanted to. And you'll have a half-done or more Nancy Mace types unwilling to be held responsible for the government shutting down, and they'll cave. So you'll end up with a coalition of 212 Democrats and a half-dozen plus Republicans amending the rules, and ramming through that last-minute omnibus spending package. And because the Freedom Caucus will have made themselves irrelevant by refusing to compromise on anything, the Democrats will hold all the cards. So rather than getting the most conservative bills that the RINO's will accept, we'll get the most leftist ones that they'll accept.
If you want separate appropriations bills to work, you have to start with the goal of actually getting them passed. But that doesn't appear to be the case.
I agree. Passing those 12 individual appropriations bills is the way to go. That's going to be difficult to do under these rules, and with only a 4 vote cushion, but perhaps it could be done if the entire caucus was committed to actually passing those bills. But here's the problem:
You seem to have very little interest in actually passing those those 12 smaller appropriations bills. You just view having that rule as a way to stymie Democrats, not a way to actually pass legislation. And I suspect Gaetz and Co,. agree with you. Hope I'm wrong, but I suspect not.
In any case, what that means is that when it gets down to the wire in September/October, and there still are a few of the biggest bills outstanding, what do you suppose is going to happen when the Freedom Caucus refuses to budge on anything? Well...the Rules can be changed by a majority of the House, and a "Speaker in a straightjacket" isn't going to be able to stop it even if he wanted to. And you'll have a half-done or more Nancy Mace types unwilling to be held responsible for the government shutting down, and they'll cave. So you'll end up with a coalition of 212 Democrats and a half-dozen plus Republicans amending the rules, and ramming through that last-minute omnibus spending package. And because the Freedom Caucus will have made themselves irrelevant by refusing to compromise on anything, the Democrats will hold all the cards. So rather than getting the most conservative bills that the RINO's will accept, we'll get the most leftist ones that they'll accept.
If you want separate appropriations bills to work, you have to start with the goal of actually getting them passed. But that doesn't appear to be the case.
I'm all for it if they're actually going to try to pass those bills. But there's a bit of "this is all a facade because we're really going to try to stop anything from getting passed" attitude to this.
I don't think having the right intentions or goals is enough. I think you have to actually think through a plan for getting there. As I said, this might work if the Freedom Caucus is willing to make some compromises to get those 12 separate appropriations bills passed.
@Maj. Bill Martin
NAILED IT!
Where the HELL did this idea of gaining nothing is better than gaining something?
Every little bit helps,and as you keep adding rocks to your pile,your rock pile will grow bigger.
The FACT that the left used this method to take over total control of the country proves this.
We (conservatives) are NOT going to take back control of the country and restory sanity in one election cycle,REGARDLESS of who gets elected as President.
We MUST have a majority of the votes in order to dominate,and that is NOT going to happen in just one election cycle.
THIS is why I want Trump in the WH for 4 years as President that knows he is only going to be there for 4 years,and who STILL wants to go down in the history books as "The President that saved America as an independent nation".
It is also why I want (at this point) to see DeSantis take over the WH when Trump leaves. If 4 years of Trump and 8 years of DeSantis can't get America back on track,it can't be done.
And I am confident that NO President can do this in a single term anymore. We have just slide too far down the rabbit hole for that to be possible.
And do NOT forget the FACT that NO President can do all that by themself. We need to follow up by supporting and voting for local conservative candidates. PLEASE note that I did NOT write "Republican candidates" because there are just too many RINO's in office for the word "Republican" to have any real meaning anymore. I am hoping this will no longer be true after a second DeSantis term.
I agree. Passing those 12 individual appropriations bills is the way to go.
But here's the problem:
You seem to have very little interest in actually passing those those 12 smaller appropriations bills. You just view having that rule as a way to stymie Democrats, not a way to actually pass legislation.
In any case, what that means is that when it gets down to the wire in September/October, and there still are a few of the biggest bills outstanding, what do you suppose is going to happen when the Freedom Caucus refuses to budge on anything?
Well...the Rules can be changed by a majority of the House, and a "Speaker in a straightjacket" isn't going to be able to stop it even if he wanted to. And you'll have a half-done or more Nancy Mace types unwilling to be held responsible for the government shutting down, and they'll cave. So you'll end up with a coalition of 212 Democrats and a half-dozen plus Republicans amending the rules, and ramming through that last-minute omnibus spending package.
So rather than getting the most conservative bills that the RINO's will accept, we'll get the most leftist ones that they'll accept.
So rather than getting the most conservative bills that the RINO's will accept, we'll get the most leftist ones that they'll accept.
That is an admission on your part that the new rules now in place block would block such a scenario. Nice to hear you finally acknowledge that.
As for an attempt to the rules back to the way they were (rules which you have openly supported) in order to bring spending back up to Pelosi levels again, there is nothing in that which discredits the new rules. It only confirms that the new rules prevent an omnibus, and that Republicans would have to expose their true colors by joining with Democrats to put back in place Spendapalooza.
Pure horseshit. These "irrelevant" Conservatives sure as heck were relevant when it came to changing the rules. And they were willing to compromise by giving McCarthy his coveted throne in exchange for those rule changes. It is pure nonsensical idiocy to claim that Democrats will be holding all the cards because of 20 Conservatives demanding something Conservative in exchange for their votes.
Horseshit piled on top of horseshit. Conservatives shifting the rules towards Conservatism will result in even more liberal legislation than we had under Pelosi.
https://twitter.com/RyanAFournier/status/1612504979536810018
The way we increase our share of the vote is to show people that we can act responsibly in accordance with our priority of limiting government.
Deliberately steering the train off the tracks to derail things because "doing nothing is good" does the opposite.
We'll lose the swing voters necessary to expand our majority, and we'll never get where we want to go.
Pass those 12 bills, and show it can be done.
Be willing to make reasonable compromises to hold the GOP majority together. Cut out the over the top rhetoric that bothers that huge segment of the electorate that doesn't follow politics obsessively like we do. Capitalize on the issues where voters agree with us without sounding like we're just looking to antagonize. Expand the majority.
The Freedom Caucus has to recognize that once the Speaker is elected, they are no longer the key swing block. So thier goal should be to try to mend fences with those at the other end of the GOP spectrum in Congress, because they are the ones that are going to determine what actually gets passed. Gaetz' spoiled brat aura won't play well with most people, and is going to lose conservatives support rather the gain it.
Fighting hard isn't enough. We have to fight smart.
The Freedom Caucus has to recognize that once the Speaker is elected, they are no longer the key swing block.
So thier goal should be to try to mend fences with those at the other end of the GOP spectrum in Congress
Gaetz' spoiled brat aura won't play well with most people, and is going to lose conservatives support rather the gain it.
Fighting hard isn't enough. We have to fight smart.
https://twitter.com/RyanAFournier/status/1612504979536810018
I hope they got film of his temper tantrum.
But . . . but . . . but the only way for Republicans to increase their majority is to attack Conservatives. Right?
Again, if we get into late September/October, and it doesn't look like there is enough movement, you will see the Dems make common cause with the RINO's, suspend whatever rules they need
And the reality is that those rules are going to make it harder to get those bills passed in time because of the greater ability to offer amendments, and the Speaker lacking the power to do anything about delay tactics from the Democrats.
That is why I was not in favor of imposing all of those rule changes in this session where we only have a tiny cushion in the House.
The new rules only prevent an omnibus unless/until they are suspended, and you've got the Nancy Mace crowd that wouldn't be "exposing" anything.
And if we don't keep them locked into the caucus, they'll side with the Democrats before shutting down the government.
If Gaetz tries his smirking "you have to deal with ME" act when it comes time to pass legislation, conservativism is screwed.
That tells me that there are more conservatives in the Republican caucus than many here imagined.
And your definition of 'acting responsibly' is to keep the Pelosi rules in place.
btw, the reason the GOP share of the vote is as low as it is is because all the GOP has offered is Democrat-lite. And THAT is what alienates GOP voters. Recent polling shows that a majority of Republican voters applaud what these 20 House members have accomplished. Yet you fought against the majority of the very constituency you wish to increase. How do you reconcile that?
Mend fences with the Uniparty? How should they go about doing that? Sign off on another increase in Planned Parenthood funding?
Claiming victory because of rules changes is wildly premature. Victory will only be discernable when actual legislation starts getting passed.
Good example. Mace is on record right now as supporting increased birth control funding. I don't know if there are others like that, but here's how I see it. If there are enough Republicans who share her view to sink our bill if we lose them, and increased birth control funding can hold their votes on that issue, it might be the smart move. On the flip side, if we say "no", then they may just run to the Democrats and settle for that exact increase in Planned Parenthood funding that we don't want to see.
You were in favor of keeping the same rules Pelosi put in place that have guaranteed nothing but steep spending increases for the past four years. To hell with that.
So you are placing the blame on Conservatives when Republicans choose to reveal their true Democrat-lite nature? Really?
The greatest threat to Conservatism is people like you demanding we not do anything Conservative lest Democrat-lite Republicans get upset. People like you championing the use of Republican PAC money to defeat Conservatives in primaries. People like you claiming that after winning power we must leave everything that Pelosi put in place because somehow more people will choose Democrat-lite over Democrat.
That's actually one of the things I liked. I don't think it is proper for funds donated to a House PAC to be used to pick and choose between GOP candidates in primaries. It should be used to defeat Democrats in general elections.
In any case, you need to improve your reading. Because in terms of the PAC spending, I said this upthread:
Interesting. Just from Conservatives choosing to engage in this fight, you tried to convince us that the GOP would lose both houses of Congress and the White House in 2024. Now that it's over, you suggest that we need to wait and see?
THIS is what is wrong with the Establishment GOP. THIS is why Democrat-lite won't win elections. And THIS is how Democrats get Republicans to do their bidding year after year after year.
This is why we have a $32 trillion debt.
This is why we have open borders.
This is why we fill Democrat campaign coffers with government spending.
This is why we give free health care to half the population, and make the other half pay for it.
This is why Democrats get every single thing they want, and then some, regardless of who is in power.
'Fear' is a sin, both morally and politically.
After the battle was won, of course. But during the fight? Not so much. You were decidedly against those of us here supporting it.
So is ignoring reality. If the choice is between placating enough Republicans to hold the majority with $800Min birth controlto kill babies in the womb, versus having those same Republicans join with the Dems and cause an extra $50B in spending, I'm choosing that first course 10 times out of 10.
We seem to have a fundamental difference of opinion here.
Logical fallacy - false dilemma.
But to answer your question, I would gladly side with $50 billion in extra spending if it guaranteed that no federal tax dollars went towards killing babies in the womb.
:yowsa: @Maj. Bill Martin
"I have little interest in streamlining government or in making it more efficient, for I mean to reduce its size. I do not undertake to promote welfare, for I propose to extend freedom. My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them. It is not to inaugurate new programs, but to cancel old ones that do violence to the Constitution, or that have failed in their purpose, or that impose on the people an unwarranted financial burden. I will not attempt to discover whether legislation is 'needed' before I have first determined whether it is constitutionally permissible. And if I should later be attacked for neglecting my constituents' interests, I shall reply that I was informed their main interest is liberty and that in that cause I am doing the very best I can."
Sen. Barry Goldwater (R-Ariz.), "The Conscience of a Conservative"
I agree with every word of that. But then, he got absolutely annihilated in the election, didn't he? And we ended up with LBJ's massive "War on Poverty", which was one of the biggest disasters to ever happen to this country.
The funny thing is that Reagan used a lot of those exact same ideas in winning the election of 1980. He won and Goldwater didn't because Reagan knew that packaging and presentation matter if you actually want to get things done.
Having the right goals doesn't much matter if you don't have a good plan for how to get there.
The way we increase our share of the vote is to show people that we can act responsibly in accordance with our priority of limiting government. Deliberately steering the train off the tracks to derail things because "doing nothing is good" does the opposite. We'll lose the swing voters necessary to expand our majority, and we'll never get where we want to go.
Pass those 12 bills, and show it can be done. Be willing to make reasonable compromises to hold the GOP majority together. Cut out the over the top rhetoric that bothers that huge segment of the electorate that doesn't follow politics obsessively like we do. Capitalize on the issues where voters agree with us without sounding like we're just looking to antagonize. Expand the majority.
The Freedom Caucus has to recognize that once the Speaker is elected, they are no longer the key swing block. So their goal should be to try to mend fences with those at the other end of the GOP spectrum in Congress, because they are the ones that are going to determine what actually gets passed. Gaetz' spoiled brat aura won't play well with most people, and is going to lose conservatives support rather the gain it.
Fighting hard isn't enough. We have to fight smart.
A small group fighting the establishment with a little success might be contagious.
I’m hoping their courage will spread to my weak-kneed, mamby-pamby, spineless congressman.
I’m hoping their courage will spread to my weak-kneed, mamby-pamby, spineless congressman.
@Maj. Bill Martin
I think that is asking too much for a lot of people. Many people,including some posters here seem to be more interested in ranting and raving about personalities than actually working towards a "fix".
As usual, you're confused. I never said I was against the Freedom Caucus trying to get some concessions, and some were given before the voting started. I was against the all-or nothing crapfest it turned into, and in particular, to how a bratty Matt Gaetz turned it into his own personal vendetta.
I don't really know how to be more clear on this. There were some rules changes I support, and some I opposed both during the process and now. I've been very consistent on that.
They'd have been big fans of Burnside's tactics at Fredericksburg.
Hush yo' mouth! Burnside was a Yankee.
@Hoodat
You misspelled "mouf".
To nearly this day there's been no fight at all.
That is the point.
Regardless of any changes to the Rules, this House was going to be more conservative than the last because Pelosi/Jeffries aren't in charge. The question is how much more conservative. If you want maximum conservative results and not just maximum conservative posturing, we're going to need to see a much more flexible Freedom Caucus than we just saw because majorities can be formed without them. Is their priority going to be passing the most conservative bills that can be passed, or just being inflexible so they can campaign on "standing strong", regardless of what actually ends up passing?
That is going to be the key to whether or not this whole thing works.
I never said I was against the Freedom Caucus trying to get some concessions, and some were given before the voting started. I was against the all-or nothing crapfest it turned into, and in particular, to how a bratty Matt Gaetz turned it into his own personal vendetta.
On Fox, GOP VA Rep Good says GOPers “have got to be willing use” a gov’t shutdown “as leverage” to reduce spending. Says Hse must “be willing” to threaten a gov’t shutdown
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@Maj. Bill Martin
I may be in error there and got you confused with other posters during the heat of the 15-round battle royale. My sincere apologies, sir.
Chad Pergram
@ChadPergram
On Fox, GOP Rep Good says “we ought to eliminate all spending that deals with climate radicalism” and “CRT.” Says “even the military should not be getting a blank check.”
On Fox, GOP VA Rep Good says GOPers “have got to be willing use” a gov’t shutdown “as leverage” to reduce spending. Says Hse must “be willing” to threaten a gov’t shutdown
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I don't disagree with that, but you've got to ensure you have 218 votes lined up who are willing to go to mat on that particular issue before you do it. And if you overuse that threat, you won't hold the caucus together.
Just have to be smart about it, and pick issues where public opinion will be on your side as much as possible.
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He well knew the Turtle was a Bi1ch 2 years ago, yet still endorsed him. :shrug:
Where the heck was Trump on this when he was in the White House? Sure could have used his support on this back then. We could have used his support during the first 14 votes, too. But he wanted to fast track McCarthy, keeping the rules as theyarewere.
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Thank you for pointing that out. My life is changed forever.
:thumbsup: Always glad to help!
It could be concrete...
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"Coco Chow"
What an embarrassment. Offend a bunch of Asian-American voters just because it amuses him.
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"Coco Chow"
What an embarrassment. Offend a bunch of Asian-American voters just because it amuses him.
@Maj.Bill Martin
I don't give a rabid rats ass WHO is offended by that. Frankly,I wouldn't give a damn if all of China caught some sort of disease and died from it.
The end result would be the world would be a safer place.
QuoteI care if Asian-American voters who vote in our elections are offended by it
@Maj. Bill Martin
I don't. If they identify themselves as Chinese,bleep them. If being an American isn't good enough for them,they can take their asses back to China.
QuoteI mean, the goal is to expand the voter base and win elections, not to piss off an entire ethnic group - and anyone else who may be offended by it -- with needless insults.
Do you REALLY think someone of Chinese ethnicity that immigrated to America and became a citizen,or someone of Chinese ethnicity that was born here and STILL refers to themselves as "Chinese" are going to vote conservative?QuoteI'll give you an example. My brother and sister in law are lifelong Republicans. Her only child, her son, married a Chinese-American girl a couple of years ago. Last Thanksgiving we were all hanging out at their house, talking about their baby that was due the second week in January. The next day, the son and his wife were driving back home, hit a deer, and when he got out to check on the car, he was hit and killed. So my sister in law lost her son, and all they have left is their daughter in law and a grandson who is half-Chinese. Needless to say, they are both very important to my brother and his wife.
I get your point,but I suspect the daughter in law and the grandson were important to them before the son was killed.
I also suspect they identify as Americans,not Chinese.QuoteI can't really describe how furious they were the first time Trump played the "Coco Chow" card. Suffice it to say that both of them voted for Trump in 2016 and 2020, and both would sooner eat glass than vote for him in 2024. Obviously, that is an extreme case, but that comment did not go over well among a lot of potential Republican voters. Now, maybe people shouldn't make their voting decisions based on things like that, but as you've pointed out, not everyone is a policy-obsessed political nerd. And their votes count just as much as yours and mine.
We don't have the luxury of needlessly offending potential Republican voters.
I do "get" your points,but I am going to stand by my "If you don't consider yourself to be an America,get your asses out of MY country" stance.
And to state the obvious,which I know you see and understand,being an America is NOT a ethnic identifier. Many people see it in different ways,but I see it as a identifier that states you put America,and what you think is good for America first over all other nations.
Ethnicity doesn't have a single damn thing to do with it.
I also suspect they identify as Americans,not Chinese.
Ethnicity doesn't have a single damn thing to do with it.
@Maj. Bill Martin There is no such thing as a hyphenated-American". They are either Americans or they are not. You can thank me later.
You may see it that way, and maybe Trump does as well. But many others don't, and it is their perceptions that matter when it comes to voting.
@Maj. Bill Martin There is no such thing as a hyphenated-American". They are either Americans or they are not. You can thank me later.
It was mostly middle-aged rich white male Globalist kleptocrats who sold out our country to the Chi-Coms.
Many Asians' families immigrated to the United States to escape Communist oppression in North Korea, China, Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia.
That orange bigot, The Donald, should got back to his old job at Pizza Hut
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@DefiantMassRINO
Are you a professional fool,or is this just a hobby?
@sneakypete - to be a professional I'd need to be paid ... this is just a hobby.
@Maj. Bill Martin
BTW,this whole "hyponated American" crap is a tool the left uses to divide us.
BTW,PLEASE show these posts to your relatives and let me (us?) know what they think about them. I am really curious about this.
1) You are being overly-literal. I know plenty of people who say "I'm Irish", or "I'm Italian", etc., and in context, everyone knows exactly what they mean. They're talking about their ancestors' ethnicity, not their nationality or national loyalty. And the same with "Asian-American" or whatever. Hell, "Asia" isn't even a country at all, so it's clearly just ethnicity and not nationality to which they are referring. I see absolutely nothing wrong with that. But even if you or I do, that doesn't matter, because....
2) most people/voters don't think that way. Right now, there are two cases in front of the Supreme Court dealing with colleges discriminating against Asian-Americans (and really, everyone who isn't black). Should they not have filed those lawsuits because ethnicity "doesn't matter", even though it very clearly matters to those elitist schools that are discriminating? There are those high schools in Virginia that are refusing to hand out National Merit Scholar recognition because too many Asian kids are winning those rewards. Should those parents pretend that discrimination against Asian-Americans students in those districts doesn't exist, when it very clearly does?
3) that is the exact context you are ignoring. Again, whether you or I think that should matter is irrelevant, because there are both perpetrators and victims of discrimination to whom ethnicity matters very much. And Trump using a stupid slur like "Coco Chow" makes those people think that he looks down on Asian-Americans (or the more awkward "people who have Asian ethnicity") as well because of their ethnicity. Ask yourself -- why does he use "Chow" instead of her actual name, which is "Chao"? He surely knows the difference, and even if he didn't it surely would have been brought to his attention after the first time he said it. But he does it anyway, because he thinks "Chow" -- you know, like in "Chow Mein", is just funny. And he truly doesn't care if it offends or pisses off any members of that ethnic group because he doesn't think he needs any of their votes anyway. He's suffering under the delusion that hardcore MAGA voters are actually a majority of the electorate.
I'm just waiting for Trump to play the "Kunta Kinte" on Senator Tim Scott the first time he displays "disloyalty".
You mean show them the argument that they shouldn't be offended by "Coco Chow" because ethnicity shouldn't matter, even though it very clearly matters to Trump? I don't think so. I mean, I can take my older brother, but I think I'd deserve to get punched in the mouth for telling him he shouldn't be upset about it. I personally think it was a despicable thing for Trump to say. If he wanted to attack her for being soft on China, fine. But to do that with ethnic-based name calling is simply repugnant. To me, anyway.
Quote1) You are being overly-literal. I know plenty of people who say "I'm Irish", or "I'm Italian", etc., and in context, everyone knows exactly what they mean.
@May Bill Martin
The same can be said for you after reading the above sentence.
Is it or is it NOT a fact that when black Americans claim "I am African!" they are literally claiming they ARE Africans,NOT black people whose ancestors came here from Africa? Hell,changing their given English names to African names was common after "Roots" came out. Actually it was common amongst black radicals/communists BEFORE Roots was published or aired,but there for a while it was mainstream. May even be mainstream now in some areas,for all I know.QuoteAnd the same with "Asian-American" or whatever. Hell, "Asia" isn't even a country at all, so it's clearly just ethnicity and not nationality to which they are referring.
Africa isn't a nation,either. It is a continent.QuoteI see absolutely nothing wrong with that. But even if you or I do, that doesn't matter, because....
2) most people/voters don't think......
That is very true. Most Americans of all nationalities vote for whoever promises to give them the most
"free stuff"
QuoteRight now, there are two cases in front of the Supreme Court dealing with colleges discriminating against Asian-Americans (and really, everyone who isn't black)
I may well be wrong because my memory isn't as sharp as it used to be,but I think this has been happening since the 70's. LOTS of people seemed to be upset at the economic successes of Asians in the US and seemed to think they wee so successful because Asians were born with some sort of "success gene" that gave them an unfair advantage over everyone else.
What THESE people were displaying was their own "jealousy and ignorance genes". The truth of the matter is Asians tend to do better than other races because their culture teaches them to work hard if they want to succeed, and being successful in life is probably THE number one focus of every Asian I have ever met.
Of course,"being successful in life" means different things to different people. For example,a rice farmer would consider himself successful if he had several sons and more than one water buffalo to farm with,as well as more fields to work,and an Asian child born in a city will be working towards at least working in an office,if not owning the office.
I am sure there are exceptions,but I personally never met an Asian in 5 years of living in Asia that was a slacker. It was almost like they ranked child molesters and lazy people in the same social categories. You might be related to one of these people,but you would be ashamed to admit it.
There ain't a damn thing genetic about it.You almost never meet an Asian that was born and raised in Asia that seems to be stupid or lazy because being stupid or lazy is considered to be shameful in every Asian culture I have been exposed to. Hell,it was common for the Montangad tribes for men we hired to be soldiers during the VN war to save their money and use it to send their younger brothers and sisters off to school in other countries because the VN were so prejudiced against the "natives" (the Montangards were the original people in VN). The Asians that were there came from ancestors that immigrated there primarily from China. I knew several "hill tribesmen" who sent their younger brothers to Japan to attend a private school,using money they earned working as mercenary soldiers for us.
And it also has to be said that the (primarily) Catholic orphanages did a first-class,if sometimes brutal,job of educating the orphans they took in so they would be able to get jobs and support themselves when they left the orphanage.
QuoteShould they not have filed those lawsuits because ethnicity "doesn't matter", even though it very clearly matters to those elitist schools that are discriminating? There are those high schools in Virginia that are refusing to hand out National Merit Scholar recognition because too many Asian kids are winning those rewards.
As I wrote above,the Asian kids tend to dominate because generally speaking,they work harder than anyone else.
QuoteShould those parents pretend that discrimination against Asian-Americans students in those districts doesn't exist, when it very clearly does?
The difference is these people have VERY good reasons to complain. The PRIME one being racial discrimination because their genetics doesn't have a damn thing to do with their success. Their success comes from a culture that DEMANDS they work hard to succeed,while the people doing all the whining and bitching come from cultures that admire people who get something for nothing.Quote3) that is the exact context you are ignoring. Again, whether you or I think that should matter is irrelevant,
Seems like almost everything I think is irrelevant to most people. This amuses me more than it pisses me off.Quotebecause there are both perpetrators and victims of discrimination to whom ethnicity matters very much.
These people are parasites,so who,other than the creatures we call "politicians" cares what they "feel". I wrote "feel" because these creatures seem to be incapable of actually thinking.
QuoteAnd Trump using a stupid slur like "Coco Chow" makes those people think that he looks down on Asian-Americans (or the more awkward "people who have Asian ethnicity") as well because of their ethnicity.
I missed that,but have no doubt it happened. That was a MASSIVE brain fart for a man trying to gain a political office.QuoteAsk yourself -- why does he use "Chow" instead of her actual name, which is "Chao"?
I don't know because I am not him,but I am GUESSING because they sound so much alike?QuoteHe surely knows the difference, and even if he didn't it surely would have been brought to his attention after the first time he said it. But he does it anyway, because he thinks "Chow" -- you know, like in "Chow Mein", is just funny. And he truly doesn't care if it offends or pisses off any members of that ethnic group because he doesn't think he needs any of their votes anyway. He's suffering under the delusion that hardcore MAGA voters are actually a majority of the electorate.
I have no idea why he does that,but I do wish he would stop. Your claim that " He's suffering under the delusion that hardcore MAGA voters are actually a majority of the electorate." shows your own biases. The truth is you don't know why he does that any more than I do.QuoteI'm just waiting for Trump to play the "Kunta Kinte" on Senator Tim Scott the first time he displays "disloyalty".
I have no doubt about that. How will you celebrate?QuoteYou mean show them the argument that they shouldn't be offended by "Coco Chow" because ethnicity shouldn't matter, even though it very clearly matters to Trump? I don't think so. I mean, I can take my older brother, but I think I'd deserve to get punched in the mouth for telling him he shouldn't be upset about it. I personally think it was a despicable thing for Trump to say. If he wanted to attack her for being soft on China, fine. But to do that with ethnic-based name calling is simply repugnant. To me, anyway.
To start with,telling someone they shouldn't be offended by anything is too close to ordering them to not be offended. You can,and maybe should,depending on the circumstances,try to teach them to see your POV,much like you are doing with me,but TELLING someone other than a child what to think or say is wrong.
But you are obviously a smart man and know that.
The truth seems to be that both of us have now devolved to the point where we are arguing about "how many angels can dance on the head of a pin?" territory.
I think that for the most part,we are in agreement,although how each of us "got there" was by treading on different "paths".
And we both like to argue and have the last word. You more than me,obviously. (G)
I missed that,but have no doubt it happened. That was a MASSIVE brain fart for a man trying to gain a political office.
I don't know because I am not him,but I am GUESSING because they sound so much alike? I have no idea why he does that,but I do wish he would stop.
Your claim that " He's suffering under the delusion that hardcore MAGA voters are actually a majority of the electorate." shows your own biases. The truth is you don't know why he does that any more than I do.
"BREAKING: @mattgaetz applauds Kevin McCarthy for keeping his promises as Speaker in new Republican Congress". (Video)
https://mobile.twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1613953673562030080
:thumbsup:
So though all the gnashing of teeth last week, and us yelling at each other........ Was the FC tantrum worth it?
Starting to look that way.
The nickname was my only point. I didn't care who he goes after for ties to China -- we need more of that, actually. He first did something like that back in August, when he blasted her as "Coco Chao". Spelled correctly, though, which shows that he knows the difference.
https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/108880263911466699
But then, at the end of September during the home stretch for the midterms, he decided to blast McConnell and his wife again, except this time he changes it to "Coco Chow", for which he just got hammered by pretty much everyone.
https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/109089793652113562
And so just last week, he "Coco Chow's" her twice again:
https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/109628095735391441
https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/109631120959426595
It's just a stupid, unforced error that does nothing but hurt the conservative cause. And he doesn't seem to care because he keeps doing it despite the pushback.
Well, you're right. That's just a guess on my part. It seems to me he really like the applause, and doesn't give two craps about the boos. And I don't know how to interpret that other than he doesn't care what people think about him unless they already like him.
Lol, I tried looking at the links at Trump's truthsocial...
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I must be on another list somewhere... this time via The Trump Train no post list.
Gaetz knocks Speaker pro tem for sending lawmakers home to ‘cry for a week’
by Lauren Sforza - 10/04/23 8:32 AM ET
Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.) is already taking aim at Speaker pro tempore Patrick McHenry (R-N.C), saying that he should not send lawmakers home for the next week.
“I do have to offer some pretty sharp criticism of the new pro tem of the House, Patrick McHenry,” Gaetz said on Newsmax’s “The Balance” with host Eric Bolling on Tuesday. “We met tonight, and he sent us home until Tuesday of next week.”
“We should be here tomorrow, working to elect a new Speaker, getting onto our appropriations bills and engaging in a negotiation with the Senate to get the government funded, but instead these people got to go home and cry for a week,” he continued. “They’ve got to go do a week of hand wringing and bedwetting over the fact that Kevin McCarthy isn’t speaker anymore. This institution is about more than one man.”
Gaetz spearheaded the effort to oust former Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) from his leadership role Tuesday afternoon after months of threatening to do so. The House voted to oust McCarthy as Speaker in a 216-210 vote, with all Democrats and eight Republicans joining forces to remove him.
After the vote, McHenry was declared Speaker pro tempore. He said the House would go into recess so that Democrats and Republicans could meet separately to “discuss the path forward.”
more
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4237607-gaetz-knocks-mchenry-for-sending-lawmakers-home/
We could easily have President Harris by next week.
Gaetz knocks Speaker pro tem for sending lawmakers home to ‘cry for a week’
by Lauren Sforza - 10/04/23 8:32 AM ET
Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.) is already taking aim at Speaker pro tempore Patrick McHenry (R-N.C), saying that he should not send lawmakers home for the next week.
“I do have to offer some pretty sharp criticism of the new pro tem of the House, Patrick McHenry,” Gaetz said on Newsmax’s “The Balance” with host Eric Bolling on Tuesday. “We met tonight, and he sent us home until Tuesday of next week.”
“We should be here tomorrow, working to elect a new Speaker, getting onto our appropriations bills and engaging in a negotiation with the Senate to get the government funded, but instead these people got to go home and cry for a week,” he continued. “They’ve got to go do a week of hand wringing and bedwetting over the fact that Kevin McCarthy isn’t speaker anymore. This institution is about more than one man.”
Gaetz spearheaded the effort to oust former Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) from his leadership role Tuesday afternoon after months of threatening to do so. The House voted to oust McCarthy as Speaker in a 216-210 vote, with all Democrats and eight Republicans joining forces to remove him.
After the vote, McHenry was declared Speaker pro tempore. He said the House would go into recess so that Democrats and Republicans could meet separately to “discuss the path forward.”
more
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4237607-gaetz-knocks-mchenry-for-sending-lawmakers-home/
We could easily have President Harris by next week.(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgflip.com%2F3a59vs.jpg&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=83d4981944a93b44f01157d4f66c86e930b0b5831402b5ae65618a742eaacaf5&ipo=images)
@sneakypete - to be a professional I'd need to be paid ... this is just a hobby.
“I do have to offer some pretty sharp criticism of the new pro tem of the House, Patrick McHenry,” Gaetz told NewmaxTV host Eric Bolling. “We met tonight and he sent us home until Tuesday of next week, Eric.”
“We should be here tomorrow working to elect a new speaker, getting onto our appropriations bills, and engaging in a negotiation with the Senate to get the government funded,” the congressman continued on “The Balance.”
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https://twitter.com/CitizenFreePres/status/1709344183087948262
Congratulations, Mr. Gaetz. Good work. I'm sure the check from the DNC will clear in a few days.
@Kamaji please explain to me how the American people and our country benefited under the leadership of Boehner, Ryan and McCarthy?
Would you have preferred the House been Democrat though?
https://twitter.com/CitizenFreePres/status/1709344183087948262
Would you have preferred the House been Democrat though? Especially during Obama's tenure?
@Kamaji please explain to me how the American people and our country benefited under the leadership of Boehner, Ryan and McCarthy?
Kind of hope he gets it. Would be a blast to watch the fireworks on our side.
Are you joining the blow-it-up crowd now, too?
I think those Republicans - both elected and unelected - that demand a non-conservative House majority vote conservative need a reality check.
So, I'm hoping that whomever is elected Speaker makes no concessions to anyone. Take them as they are, or don't take them at all. And I don't want to see those who blew up the House profit from this by getting one of their own FC buddies as Speaker. I like Jordan, but not this way.
So, I'd sooner see tossed it to the Dems than see either of those things happen. Speakership or not, the Dems would still be in the minority when it came to voting on legislation.
Are you joining the blow-it-up crowd now, too?
As opposed to being under Pelosi, and likely Jeffries now - while the GOP technically has the majority in the House? Is that really an improvement, or are conservatives and republicans so far gone now that they'd prefer to be in the minority, out of control, so they can howl at the Moon in impotence?
I think a lot of us, saw McCarthy as a traitor in the his deeds the past 9 months, and wanted him canned.
No sane person thinks this was a good idea under yesterday's circumstances. The 8 ousters did not have a "Plan B" as smart money would have waited until January '25, and then show him the door.
You still didn't answer my question; how did Americans benefit under Boehner, Ryan and McCarthy? They didn't because all 3 caved to the DEMS and gave them what they wanted even they they had the majority under their heels. So, that's ok with you, because hey at least the have an 'R' next to their name?
Conservatives and Republicans expecting those they voted for and their leaders to at least bring something to the table instead of allowing the DEMS to continue to rule when they are in the minority isn't howling at the moon.
If we had a bigger majority I would agree. As I see it...anybody that is appointed will face the same issues as McCarthy. I sincerely hope I'm wrong. But as splintered as the GOP is, I don't see it.
Likely Jeffries remains to be seen.
We could easily have President Harris by next week.
You still didn't answer my question; how did Americans benefit under Boehner, Ryan and McCarthy?
You still didn't answer my question; how did Americans benefit under Boehner, Ryan and McCarthy? They didn't because all 3 caved to the DEMS and gave them what they wanted even they they had the majority under their heels. So, that's ok with you, because hey at least the have an 'R' next to their name?
Conservatives and Republicans expecting those they voted for and their leaders to at least bring something to the table instead of allowing the DEMS to continue to rule when they are in the minority isn't howling at the moon.
Likely Jeffries remains to be seen.
Gaetz is right.
I am not a Gaetz/MAGA fan... but to the extent that McCarthy did not keep his word, then his word is no good... And then I am alright with Gaetz.
That's where I am. For those who say "The timing is terrible," I reply that with the Speaker controlling the gavel, there exists no "Good time." A good time to do it is when you have the votes, and Gaetz knows it.
McCarthy tried business as usual by breaking multiple promises he made to get elected, and we need to see more people burned for doing that.
That's right. :beer:
LOL. I am dangerously close to just wanting to see the world burn. A pox on all of them.
You still didn't answer my question; how did Americans benefit under Boehner, Ryan and McCarthy? They didn't because all 3 caved to the DEMS and gave them what they wanted even they they had the majority under their heels.
LOL. I am dangerously close to just wanting to see the world burn. A pox on all of them.
Pretty sure that view comes from sitting on a mountain top... :whistle: That's what they tell me anyway... :laugh:
My mountain top is not as high as yours, but it's 900 Ft. above the Colorado River....