General Category => Crime And Punishment => Topic started by: mystery-ak on December 30, 2022, 04:07:49 pm
Title: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: mystery-ak on December 30, 2022, 04:07:49 pm
December 30, 2022 10:59am EST Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says Moscow Police Department, FBI and Idaho State Police have been working feverishly for weeks to solve the case
By Rebecca Rosenberg , Stephanie Pagones , Audrey Conklin | Fox News
MOSCOW, Idaho – Authorities have a suspect in custody in the Nov. 13 murders of four University of Idaho students, a law enforcement source told Fox News Digital.
A man in his mid 20s was taken into custody by local police and the FBI at 3 a.m. in Scranton, Pennsylvania, the law enforcement source said.
The suspect is a college student but does not attend the University of Idaho, the source added. He appeared in court this morning.
Ethan Chapin, 20, Xana Kernodle, 20, Kaylee Goncalves, 21, and Madison Mogen, 21, were stabbed to death in the early morning hours in a rental home just yards from campus.
The mysterious killings initially baffled investigators and left the small college town of 25,000 deeply shaken.
The four students were each stabbed multiple times in the torso and were likely ambushed in their sleep with a large fix-bladed knife between 3 a.m. and 4 a.m., according to the coroner and police.
more https://www.foxnews.com/us/idaho-murders-suspect-custody-killings-4-university-students-law-enforcement-source-says
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Post by: Gefn on December 30, 2022, 05:10:52 pm
Person Of Interest in Idaho Homicides Arrested in Pennsylvania Near Pocono Mountains
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A man has been taken into custody near the Pocono Mountains in connection with the homicide of four University of Idaho students.
Four law enforcement sources confirm to NBC10's Deanna Durante and NBC News that the person of interest is in custody in Monroe County, Pa.
Further circumstances regarding the nature of the arrest and the suspect's capture are not immediately known. The suspect appeared in front of a Monroe County judge around 8:30 a.m. Friday, sources tell NBC10.
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 30, 2022, 05:22:27 pm
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December 30, 2022 12:06pm EST Idaho murders: Suspect arrested in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says Suspect Bryan Christopher Kohberger, 28, now in custody in connection to deaths of Moscow, Idaho college students
By Rebecca Rosenberg , Stephanie Pagones , Audrey Conklin , Michael Ruiz | Fox News
MOSCOW, Idaho – Authorities have arrested a suspect the Nov. 13 murders of four University of Idaho students, a high-ranking law enforcement source told Fox News Digital.
Bryan Christopher Kohberger, 28, was taken into custody by local police and the FBI at 3 a.m. in Scranton, Pennsylvania, the law enforcement source said Friday.
Kohberger was being held for extradition in Monroe County Court for first-degree murder issued by the Moscow Police Department and the Latah County Prosecutor's Office in connection to the slayings of Ethan Chapin, 20, Xana Kernodle, 20, Kaylee Goncalves, 21, and Madison Mogen, 21.
The suspect is a graduate student at Washington State University in Pullman, Washington, according to the college's website. Pullman is a 15-minute drive from the rental home where the four students were stabbed to death.
A press conference is scheduled in Moscow, Idaho, at 4 p.m. to announce the major break in the case.
more https://www.foxnews.com/us/idaho-murders-suspect-custody-killings-4-university-students-law-enforcement-source-says
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: mystery-ak on December 30, 2022, 05:28:07 pm
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: mystery-ak on December 30, 2022, 05:29:55 pm
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: Kamaji on December 30, 2022, 05:59:57 pm
Suspect is a PhD candidate in Criminology.
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: DB on December 30, 2022, 06:09:26 pm
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: catfish1957 on December 30, 2022, 06:16:09 pm
And might have knowledge and expertise to beat the rap.
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: mystery-ak on December 30, 2022, 06:50:08 pm
He had to have left his DNA at the scene for the FBI to find him... :shrug:
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: mystery-ak on December 30, 2022, 06:54:15 pm
BREAKING NEWS:Police serve search warrant at home of Idaho college student murder suspect
December 30, 2022 1:34pm EST Idaho murders: Police serve search warrant at Bryan Christopher Kohberger's home in Pullman, WA Bryan Christopher Kohberger is listed as a PhD student at Washington State University in Pullman
By Stephanie Pagones , Michael Ruiz | Fox News
PULLMAN, Wash. – EXCLUSIVE: Police are serving a search warrant at the Washington apartment of Bryan Kohberger Friday morning, the man taken into custody earlier in Pennsylvania in connection with the stabbing deaths of four students at the University of Idaho.
The Idaho school is less than 10 miles from Washington State University in Pullman, Washington, where Kohberger is listed as PhD student.
Bryan Christopher Kohberger, 28, was taken into custody by local police and the FBI at 3 a.m. near Scranton, Pennsylvania, a law enforcement source told Fox News Digital.
On the other side of the country, police were searching his apartment hours later.
more https://www.foxnews.com/us/idaho-murders-police-serve-search-warrant-bryan-christopher-kohbergers-home-pullman-wa
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: mystery-ak on December 30, 2022, 06:56:11 pm
December 30, 2022 12:18pm EST Idaho murders: Cleaning crew arrives to begin crime scene removal amid news of suspect arrest University of Idaho students Ethan Chapin, Kaylee Goncalves, Xana Kernodle and Madison Mogen were found fatally stabbed over six weeks ago
By Stephanie Pagones | Fox News
MOSCOW, Idaho — A cleaning crew tasked with going through the Moscow, Idaho, crime scene before relinquishing the home to its owners arrived early Friday morning, just hours after investigators took a suspect into custody in connection with the grisly slayings, law enforcement sources said.
Two trucks and a trailer arrived at 1122 King Road in Moscow around 8:30 a.m. Friday, as news broke of a suspect who had been identified and taken into custody thousands of miles away in Pennsylvania. Officials are expected to hold a press conference at 1 p.m. local time, or 4 p.m. ET, on Friday.
The cleaning crew, deployed by Moscow Police Department in conjunction with the property management company, will undergo the hefty task of clearing the home of any biohazards and "harmful substances" used during the process of evidence collection over the course of the nearly seven weeks since the University of Idaho quadruple homicide. Police said they still have control of the home, which remains an active crime scene through the remediation process.
more https://www.foxnews.com/us/idaho-murders-cleaning-crew-arrives-begin-crime-scene-removal-news-suspect-arrest
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: DB on December 30, 2022, 07:00:02 pm
He had to have left his DNA at the scene for the FBI to find him... :shrug:
Cell phone would seem most likely. Then a process of elimination.
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: catfish1957 on December 30, 2022, 07:02:42 pm
Cell phone would seem most likely. Then a process of elimination.
Media reporting at least initial seems to be focused on his vehicle being ID'ed.
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: mountaineer on December 30, 2022, 08:42:15 pm
... Kohberger has same model of car Moscow police were searching for:
A white Hyundai Elantra was taken from Kohberger's home in Pennsylvania on Friday, according to NBC News. Authorities were searching for a white 2011-2013 Elantra that was believed to have been in the “immediate area” of the home at the time of the murders. ...
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: DCPatriot on December 30, 2022, 08:48:03 pm
... Kohberger has same model of car Moscow police were searching for:
A white Hyundai Elantra was taken from Kohberger's home in Pennsylvania on Friday, according to NBC News. Authorities were searching for a white 2011-2013 Elantra that was believed to have been in the “immediate area” of the home at the time of the murders. ...
To me, this proves how incredible ...tools available/utilized to catch this guy.
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: berdie on December 30, 2022, 09:27:20 pm
He had to have left his DNA at the scene for the FBI to find him... :shrug:
Agree. And truly hope this is the perp.
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: DB on December 30, 2022, 09:38:21 pm
Media reporting at least initial seems to be focused on his vehicle being ID'ed.
If they had a license plate number. Otherwise it was matching someone with that make/model of car with a cell phone ping in the area of the murders.
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: LadyLiberty on December 30, 2022, 09:45:11 pm
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: LadyLiberty on December 30, 2022, 09:47:12 pm
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: DB on December 30, 2022, 09:48:52 pm
Real PHD material there... Good thing most criminals aren't too bright...
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: DB on December 30, 2022, 09:49:33 pm
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: Hoodat on December 30, 2022, 09:50:38 pm
The cleaning crew, deployed by Moscow Police Department in conjunction with the property management company, will undergo the hefty task of clearing the home of any biohazards and "harmful substances" used during the process of evidence collection over the course of the nearly seven weeks since the University of Idaho quadruple homicide. Police said they still have control of the home, which remains an active crime scene through the remediation process.
Can't wait to be the first tenant to rent out that place.
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: Hoodat on December 30, 2022, 09:53:35 pm
He had to have left his DNA at the scene for the FBI to find him... :shrug:
Only if your DNA is already in the FBI crime base. If he's never been arrested before (at his age), then the FBI would have no DNA on record to compare crime samples with.
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: DB on December 30, 2022, 09:58:24 pm
There are a bunch of responses to this on Twitter saying that this is a fake account. I don't know what the truth is.
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: goatprairie on December 30, 2022, 10:06:52 pm
According to renowned FBI profiler John Douglas who has helped numerous police departments capture many serial and mass killers many killers are fascinated with police work. Some hang around crime scenes and police stations and even ask cops questions about the progress on a particular murder. Of course, many of the killers believe they're smarter than the police and can't be caught. Douglas also told police officers to pay attention to people who hang around cemetery burials. A number of killers like to visit the graves of people they murdered just to think about good times. In their twisted minds they were successful. Many serial killers, despite overall being losers in life, have high intelligence. One reason they think they're too smart to get caught.
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: mountaineer on December 30, 2022, 11:53:10 pm
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SWAT teams descended on sleepy Poconos mountain town to catch Libertarian Idaho murder suspect Bryan Kohberger who was 'obsessively vegan' as a teen and 'looked drugged at school'
Bryan Kohberger is in custody on charges of homicide for the Idaho killings Relatives say he was 'OCD' about veganism and forced family to buy new pots He is registered as a Libertarian in voter records and has never been arrested Some who attended school with him say he 'looked drugged'
By Jennifer Smith, Chief Reporter For Dailymail.Com and Andrea Cavallier For Dailymail.Com Published: 15:56 EST, 30 December 2022 | Updated: 18:01 EST, 30 December 2022
... Kohberger is a registered Libertarian, although does not appear to have had any active social media profiles at the time of his arrest.
A relative told The New York Post Kohberger is 'OCD' about his eating habits and forced his family to buy new pots that had never been used to cook meat.
'It was above and beyond being vegan. His aunt and uncle had to buy new pots and pans because he would not eat from anything that had ever had meat cooked in them. He seemed very OCD (obsessive-compulsive disorder)' the woman said. ...
Sources say that authorities knew who they were looking for and hunted the suspect down to Pennsylvania in the Pocono Mountains - more than 2,400 miles from Idaho.
NewsNation reported that Kohberger had a quiet, blank stare' when arrested by local cops and the FBI on Friday morning. ...
Daily Mail (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11586427/SWAT-teams-descended-Poconos-mountain-town-arrest-Idaho-murder-suspect-Bryan-Kohberger.html)
Where he was picked up in Monroe County is very near the home of one of my oldest, dearest friends. **nononono*
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: DCPatriot on December 31, 2022, 02:31:13 am
Nancy Grace is hosting the Ingraham Hour on FOXNEWS at 10pm Eastern.
Dedicated to the arrest of the Idaho murders.
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: DCPatriot on December 31, 2022, 02:35:58 am
Nancy Grace said that the first thing he asked...wanted to know when apprehended..."AM I the only person being arrested"?
She laughed, reminding everyone that he's a PhD with a Masters in Criminology.
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Post by: corbe on December 31, 2022, 11:18:43 pm
Idaho student murders: Police found suspect using public genealogy data, report says by Brady Knox, Breaking News Reporter December 31, 2022 04:06 PM
Police reportedly identified the suspect in the fatal stabbings of four Idaho students through genealogy.
A law enforcement source familiar with the matter told CNN that police found unknown DNA at the scene of the killings. However, the DNA didn't match anything within the police system, so police utilized genealogical techniques. The unknown DNA was run through a public database, which identified relatives of the suspect.
"Subsequent investigative work" done by police led to graduate student Bryan Kohberger being identified.
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: mystery-ak on January 01, 2023, 02:44:53 pm
Idaho murder suspect to waive extradition hearing: reports by Misty Severi, Breaking News Reporter December 31, 2022 10:27 PM
The prime suspect in the quadruple homicide of four Idaho college students is expected to waive his extradition hearing, according to news reports.
An attorney for Bryan Kohberger, who allegedly killed the group of students at an off-campus house in Moscow, Idaho, last month, said his client will waive his extradition hearing that's set for Tuesday. But Kohberger will still be required to be at the Pennsylvania court house on Tuesday to sign the proper paperwork, according to CBS News.
"Because of obviously the attention of this case, I assume Idaho is prepared and ready to transport him back already," Monroe County Chief Public Defender Jason LaBar told the outlet.
Kohberger, who was arrested by federal authorities on Friday in Pennsylvania, could be transported to Idaho as quickly as 72 hours after he signs the paperwork, LaBar said. However, procedure gives authorities as much as 10 days to start the extradition process.
The suspect has been charged with four counts of first degree homicide, according to the Moscow police department, and one court of petty burglary, for the deaths of college students Xana Kernodle, Madison Mogen, Ethan Chapin, and Kaylee Goncalves. All four students were fatally stabbed in their beds, authorities said.
LaBar warned the public not to assume his client was guilty, reminding people that the United States justice system means a suspect is "innocent until proven guilty."
"Mr. Kohberger has been accused of very serious crimes, but the American justice system cloaks him in a veil of innocence," LaBar wrote in a prepared statement reported by Fox News. "He should be presumed innocent until proven otherwise — not tried in the court of public opinion."
more https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/crime/idaho-student-murder-suspect-waive-extradition-hearing-reports
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: mystery-ak on January 01, 2023, 02:47:44 pm
Idaho student murders: Police found suspect using public genealogy data, report says by Brady Knox, Breaking News Reporter | December 31, 2022 04:06 PM
Police reportedly identified the suspect in the fatal stabbings of four Idaho students through genealogy.
A law enforcement source familiar with the matter told CNN that police found unknown DNA at the scene of the killings. However, the DNA didn't match anything within the police system, so police utilized genealogical techniques. The unknown DNA was run through a public database, which identified relatives of the suspect.
"Subsequent investigative work" done by police led to graduate student Bryan Kohberger being identified.
more https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/idaho-police-suspect-genetic-genealogy-technology
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: mystery-ak on January 01, 2023, 03:08:24 pm
‘So freaking scary’: Source cites cop to say suspected killer followed Idaho students’ ‘every move for weeks’
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Post by: Idiot on January 01, 2023, 03:11:56 pm
Idaho murder suspect to waive extradition hearing: reports by Misty Severi, Breaking News Reporter December 31, 2022 10:27 PM
The prime suspect in the quadruple homicide of four Idaho college students is expected to waive his extradition hearing, according to news reports.
An attorney for Bryan Kohberger, who allegedly killed the group of students at an off-campus house in Moscow, Idaho, last month, said his client will waive his extradition hearing that's set for Tuesday. But Kohberger will still be required to be at the Pennsylvania court house on Tuesday to sign the proper paperwork, according to CBS News.
"Because of obviously the attention of this case, I assume Idaho is prepared and ready to transport him back already," Monroe County Chief Public Defender Jason LaBar told the outlet.
Kohberger, who was arrested by federal authorities on Friday in Pennsylvania, could be transported to Idaho as quickly as 72 hours after he signs the paperwork, LaBar said. However, procedure gives authorities as much as 10 days to start the extradition process.
The suspect has been charged with four counts of first degree homicide, according to the Moscow police department, and one court of petty burglary, for the deaths of college students Xana Kernodle, Madison Mogen, Ethan Chapin, and Kaylee Goncalves. All four students were fatally stabbed in their beds, authorities said.
LaBar warned the public not to assume his client was guilty, reminding people that the United States justice system means a suspect is "innocent until proven guilty."
"Mr. Kohberger has been accused of very serious crimes, but the American justice system cloaks him in a veil of innocence," LaBar wrote in a prepared statement reported by Fox News. "He should be presumed innocent until proven otherwise — not tried in the court of public opinion."
more https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/crime/idaho-student-murder-suspect-waive-extradition-hearing-reports
Does Idaho have the death penalty?
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Post by: Hoodat on January 01, 2023, 03:55:02 pm
A law enforcement source familiar with the matter told CNN that police found unknown DNA at the scene of the killings. However, the DNA didn't match anything within the police system, so police utilized genealogical techniques. The unknown DNA was run through a public database, which identified relatives of the suspect.
So he had relatives with criminal records?
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: Kamaji on January 01, 2023, 03:58:38 pm
Not necessarily. Most likely he had relatives who had used a service like 23andme to build their own family tree genetically.
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Post by: DCPatriot on January 01, 2023, 03:59:35 pm
Nope...someone in the family used "23 and Me" or another commercial DNA application
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: mystery-ak on January 01, 2023, 04:00:15 pm
No..I think they used something like Ancestry to track him down...
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: mystery-ak on January 01, 2023, 04:00:38 pm
Nope...someone in the family used "23 and Me" or another commercial DNA application
Yep...
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: Hoodat on January 01, 2023, 04:03:56 pm
Not necessarily. Most likely he had relatives who had used a service like 23andme to build their own family tree genetically.
Ah, so companies basically violate people's HIPAA rights by sharing confidential medical information with the federal government. Got it.
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: Kamaji on January 01, 2023, 04:04:43 pm
Ah, so companies basically violate people's HIPAA rights by sharing confidential medical information with the federal government. Got it.
No. The people made that information publicly available.
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: mountaineer on January 01, 2023, 04:07:38 pm
According to this person who blogs on DNA-related subjects (https://whoareyoumadeof.com/blog/dna-privacy-and-law-enforcement-should-you-worry/), no major DNA testing company gives any special information to any law enforcement agency about any DNA testers or website users without a warrant. This means that law enforcement must have a warrant to access information that is not available to the average user of any given website. :shrug:
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: Hoodat on January 01, 2023, 04:08:50 pm
No. The people made that information publicly available.
That's insane. The next National Socialist regime will be able to identify Jews, Slavs, etc. from a genetic database.
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: Kamaji on January 01, 2023, 04:09:42 pm
That's insane. The next National Socialist regime will be able to identify Jews, Slavs, etc. from a genetic database.
Whatever.
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: Smokin Joe on January 01, 2023, 04:12:16 pm
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: rangerrebew on January 01, 2023, 04:36:33 pm
No other arrests likely in Idaho murders, chief says: 'We believe we have our guy' Yesterday 5:50 PM
28-year-old graduate student arrested in connection with the murders of four University of Idaho students is believed to be the only suspect in the high-profile case, authorities said.
"We believe we have our guy, the one that committed these murders," Moscow Police Chief James Fry told ABC News Saturday.
Fry said he does not anticipate additional arrests in connection with the murders of roommates Kaylee Goncalves, Madison Mogen and Xana Kernodle, and Kernodle's boyfriend, Ethan Chapin, who were all stabbed to death in the girls' off-campus house on Nov. 13.
The suspect, Bryan Kohberger, was arrested early Friday in Pennsylvania's Pocono Mountains, authorities said. He is a graduate student at Washington State University, located less than 10 miles away from the University of Idaho, police said.
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Post by: Mod2 on January 01, 2023, 04:39:38 pm
Merged threads
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: mountaineer on January 01, 2023, 04:41:03 pm
Bryan Kohberger stalked Idaho victims before murders, wore gloves in grocery store weeks afterward: report By Jesse O’Neill January 1, 2023 10:38am NY Post (https://nypost.com/2023/01/01/bryan-kohberger-stalked-university-of-idaho-victims-before-mass-murder-report/)
The criminology student accused of slaying four University of Idaho students had stalked his alleged victims before the November murders and wore gloves in a supermarket weeks afterwards, according to a new report.
Cellphone data shows that Bryan Kohberger, 28, was often in the same location as the three sorority sisters and one of their boyfriends before he allegedly slashed them to death as they apparently slept at an off campus house, a source close to one of the case’s investigators told The Daily Mail.
Kohberger also seemed to be careful about not leaving fingerprints in public even as he fled to his native state of Pennsylvania in recent days, the anonymous source told the outlet Sunday. ...
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Post by: DCPatriot on January 01, 2023, 04:50:27 pm
No. The people made that information publicly available.
I'm sure it's in the fine print when you click on "accept terms"....that DNA information derived becomes the property of Ancestry...for example.
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: DB on January 01, 2023, 06:12:51 pm
Bryan Kohberger stalked Idaho victims before murders, wore gloves in grocery store weeks afterward: report By Jesse O’Neill January 1, 2023 10:38am NY Post (https://nypost.com/2023/01/01/bryan-kohberger-stalked-university-of-idaho-victims-before-mass-murder-report/)
The criminology student accused of slaying four University of Idaho students had stalked his alleged victims before the November murders and wore gloves in a supermarket weeks afterwards, according to a new report.
Cellphone data shows that Bryan Kohberger, 28, was often in the same location as the three sorority sisters and one of their boyfriends before he allegedly slashed them to death as they apparently slept at an off campus house, a source close to one of the case’s investigators told The Daily Mail.
Kohberger also seemed to be careful about not leaving fingerprints in public even as he fled to his native state of Pennsylvania in recent days, the anonymous source told the outlet Sunday. ...
Cell phone location data is most likely responsible for identifying him. Law enforcement just doesn't want to expose their most powerful tool to find people.
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: DCPatriot on January 01, 2023, 06:18:37 pm
...using Pandemic as a cover for his behavior/intentions?
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: Fishrrman on January 01, 2023, 10:53:36 pm
I'm wondering if this guy's defense is going to promulgate an "insanity" defense?
Either "not guilty by reason of insanity", or "guilty, but insane" (some insanity laws were changed after Mr. Reagan was shot in 1981).
It might not be all that far from the truth. This guy sounds as psycho as Norman Bates...
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: Idiot on January 02, 2023, 01:19:05 am
I'm wondering if this guy's defense is going to promulgate an "insanity" defense?
Either "not guilty by reason of insanity", or "guilty, but insane" (some insanity laws were changed after Mr. Reagan was shot in 1981).
It might not be all that far from the truth. This guy sounds as psycho as Norman Bates...
Don't you have to be a bit insane to hack up 4 people? He still deserves to die, if he is indeed the killer.
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: rangerrebew on January 02, 2023, 12:29:08 pm
Accused Idaho killer was studying under serial killer expert Story by Brian Entin • Yesterday 7:12 PM
Nation(NewsNation) - Accused Idaho killer Bryan Kohberger previously studied under an academic who is a serial killer expert.
Kohberger, who was a graduate student at Washington State University's Department of Criminal Justice and Criminology at the time of the killings, also studied criminology during his time at DeSales University in Center Valley, Pa.
It was there that he studied under Dr. Katherine Ramsland, a forensic psychologist who has spent decades researching serial killers and mass murderers. She appeared on NewsNation in October to discuss the Delphi case.
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: mountaineer on January 02, 2023, 02:28:43 pm
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... Shocked former classmates remembered the accused killer as being an intelligent student in high school, but was bullied often and could, in turn, be a bully to others himself. They said he struggled with heroin addiction and weight loss.
“It was bad,” Kohberger’s former high school classmate Sara Healey told Fox News Digital on Friday. “There was definitely something off about him, like we couldn’t tell exactly what it was. I remember one time when I was walking in the hallway, and he stopped me and was like, ‘Do you want to hang out?’”
“But Bryan was bullied a lot, and I never got a chance to say something to defend him, because he would always run away,” she added.
Despite always performing well in school, she said he was often rejected and bullied by girls that she believes he may have internalized, leading him to lash out and commit such a heinous, violent crime.
Another friend said that Kohberger suddenly changed in his senior year of high school when he lost a significant amount of weight. ...
NY Post: Bryan Kohberger harassed women at Pennsylvania brewery: report (https://nypost.com/2022/12/31/bryan-kohberger-harassed-women-at-pennsylvania-brewery-report/)
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Post by: GtHawk on January 02, 2023, 06:09:33 pm
NY Post: Bryan Kohberger harassed women at Pennsylvania brewery: report (https://nypost.com/2022/12/31/bryan-kohberger-harassed-women-at-pennsylvania-brewery-report/)
Oh Boo Friggin Hoo! He was bullied a lot in high school, so was I until I fought back, but I never went out and butchered people up many years later! Why do people always have to try and come up with excuses for a monster or heinous acts? Maybe the SOB has always been evil and his studies with Dr. Katherine Ramsland gave him the thought that he could finally indulge himself to the fullest and...get away with it. Just hang the son of a bitch!
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Post by: DB on January 02, 2023, 06:46:39 pm
Oh Boo Friggin Hoo! He was bullied a lot in high school, so was I until I fought back, but I never went out and butchered people up many years later! Why do people always have to try and come up with excuses for a monster or heinous acts? Maybe the SOB has always been evil and his studies with Dr. Katherine Ramsland gave him the thought that he could finally indulge himself to the fullest and...get away with it. Just hang the son of a bitch!
"Oh Boo Friggin Hoo! He was bullied a lot in high school, so was I until I fought back, but I never went out and butchered people up many years later!"
You still have time...
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Post by: Idiot on January 02, 2023, 07:46:32 pm
This likely isn't his first rodeo. He's probably killed animals and people previously.
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: GtHawk on January 02, 2023, 11:05:23 pm
"Oh Boo Friggin Hoo! He was bullied a lot in high school, so was I until I fought back, but I never went out and butchered people up many years later!"
You still have time...
Nah, I just swear, it relieves the tension like a T&P valve on a water heater, and then I'm good to go...unless I didn't take my BP meds :whistle:
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: Hoodat on January 03, 2023, 12:11:04 am
I'm wondering if this guy's defense is going to promulgate an "insanity" defense?
Absolutely. He was just crazy about those girls.
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: DCPatriot on January 03, 2023, 12:27:12 am
One of the girls publicly insulted him for his lack of social graces and all three may have laughed their asses off. The young man was in the wrong place...or ...
He came to the girl's aid who wanted him to go away?
This is the Hollywood script I'd submit for the $1M prize.
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: rustynail on January 03, 2023, 12:33:43 am
Anyone know how tall the suspect is?
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: catfish1957 on January 03, 2023, 01:44:33 am
Moment of Kudos to the specific law enforcement guys who were able to take this monster out of commission.
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: mystery-ak on January 03, 2023, 05:46:19 pm
Idaho murder suspect Bryan Kohberger spotted for first time since arrest Kohberger's parents and two sisters are expected to be in court Tuesday for the extradition hearing
By Rebecca Rosenberg , Stephanie Pagones , Chris Eberhart | Fox News
STROUDSBURG, Pa – Idaho murder suspect Bryan Kohberger was spotted Tuesday for the first time since his arrest stepping out of a prisoner transport van at the courthouse in advance of his highly anticipated extradition hearing.
Kohberger, 28, wore a red jail-issue jumpsuit and had his hands shackled in front of him, as two law enforcement officials escorted him to the Monroe County Courthouse at about 10:45 a.m.
He remained stone faced as reporters pelted him with questions that included, "Why did you do it?" and "Are you going to Idaho?"
At one point the accused mass murderer, wearing a haunting expression, looked directly at the scrum of media.
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Kohberger was nabbed after authorities matched DNA from the crime scene to a sample submitted by one of his immediate family members to a genealogy testing website, a law enforcement source told Fox News.
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: mystery-ak on January 03, 2023, 08:48:03 pm
January 3, 2023 2:30pm EST Bryan Kohberger's lawyer sends defense investigators to crime scene: source Bryan Kohberger's parents and two sisters say they are standing behind him By Ted Williams , Rebecca Rosenberg | Fox News
EXCLUSIVE - MOSCOW, Idaho — Investigators hired by Bryan Kohberger's defense team arrived Tuesday at the home where he's accused of fatally stabbing four University of Idaho students, Fox News Digital has learned.
Three men and two women arrived at the King Road house at about noon Eastern time and spent 45 minutes taking video inside and outside the property.
Kaylee Goncalves, Ethan Chapin, Xana Kernodle and Madison Mogen were knifed to death in the early morning hours of Nov. 13 on the second and third floors of the home.
Four of the investigators left after touring the home Tuesday, while a crime scene reconstruction analyst remained.
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: Kamaji on January 03, 2023, 09:29:53 pm
Where oh where could two simple professors find the money for lawyers and investigators and who knows what else.
Mortgage on their house, plus personal loans, plus draw-downs on their retirement plans and savings.
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: DB on January 03, 2023, 10:52:11 pm
Mortgage on their house, plus personal loans, plus draw-downs on their retirement plans and savings.
All the while creating more victims to his madness.
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: mystery-ak on January 04, 2023, 12:14:02 am
January 3, 2023 5:18pm EST Idaho murders: Bryan Kohberger seen on body camera footage during traffic stop in Indiana He waived extradition and will be returned to Idaho to face murder charges
By Michael Ruiz , Paul Best | Fox News
MOSCOW, Idaho — Bryan Kohberger, the criminology Ph.D. student suspected of stabbing four University of Idaho students to death in November, was stopped last month in Indiana while on a cross-country road trip with his father to the family's home in Pennsylvania, according to body camera footage obtained by Fox News Digital.
A wide-eyed Kohberger could be seen leaning over in the driver's seat of a white Hyundai Elantra after he was pulled over by an Indiana state trooper at approximately 10:50 a.m. on Dec. 15 in Hancock County, Indiana.
"When you were driving by me there you were a little too close to the back of the semi," the state trooper tells Kohberger and his father, who is sitting in the passenger seat.
Kohberger appears to reference being previously stopped by a local sheriff's deputy.
"I'm not going to give you guys another ticket or warning if you just got stopped. Just make sure you're giving yourself plenty of room," the state trooper said.
more https://www.foxnews.com/us/idaho-murder-bryan-kohberger-seen-body-camera-footage-traffic-stop-indiana
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: mystery-ak on January 04, 2023, 12:21:29 am
January 3, 2023 6:13pm EST Idaho murders: PA police say 'force was used' when search warrant was executed at Kohberger home Pennsylvania police said windows and doors were broken in the Albrightsville home where Bryan Kohberger was arrested
By Adam Sabes , Chris Eberhart | Fox News
STROUDSBURG, Pa. — Law enforcement officials broke windows and doors when executing an overnight search warrant in the arrest of Idaho quadruple murder suspect Bryan Kohberger, Pennsylva police said Tuesday.
Pennsylvania State Police Major Christopher Paris said during an afternoon press conference that "force was used" to gain access to the Kohbergers' home during the early morning hours of Dec. 30 in Albrightsville, Pennsylvania.
"There were multiple windows that were broken, I believe, to gain access, as well as multiple doors," Paris said during the press conference Tuesday afternoon, adding that Bryan Kohberger's parents were home at the time.
Paris said that preparations for the search warrants execution began on the evening of Dec. 29, and added that around 50 "tactical assets" were on scene.
more https://www.foxnews.com/us/idaho-murders-pa-police-say-force-was-used-when-search-warrant-was-executed-kohberger-home
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: GtHawk on January 04, 2023, 01:25:04 am
Mortgage on their house, plus personal loans, plus draw-downs on their retirement plans and savings.
@Kamaji I don't know what I was thinking mixing up to very different threads :shrug: too much happening right now and I need to pay more attention.
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: Hoodat on January 04, 2023, 10:52:04 pm
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: rustynail on January 04, 2023, 10:53:48 pm
Seems right. Thanks.
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: Kamaji on January 06, 2023, 04:23:53 pm
FBI watched Idaho 'killer' take out the trash from his parents' home and put it in their NEIGHBOR'S bin while wearing surgical gloves at 4am: Agents used items to link him to DNA found at crime scene
By EMMA JAMES FOR DAILYMAIL.COM 6 January 2023
An FBI surveillance team watched Idaho murder suspect Bryan Kohberger take out the trash at his parent's house wearing surgical gloves at 4am – before dumping it in a neighbor's bin.
New details of how the authorities snared the alleged quadruple murderer have been revealed, with officers watching the 28-year-old for four days before his arrest.
The officers were tasked with tracking Kohberger so they could arrest him as soon as a warrant was issued as well as trying to get hold of an object to compare DNA to a sample found at the scene.
He was also seen cleaning the inside and outside of his car, with the source adding that he didn't 'miss an inch'.
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: mountaineer on January 06, 2023, 05:15:24 pm
Chris Kurtz @ckurtzopks81 Replying to @JackPosobiec This doesn't make sense based on affidavit. Dylan woke hearing what she thought was Kaylee playing with dog. They were probably killed 3rd floor first. Then at end she hears guy speak and crying and he walked around corner from xana bedroom to the slider to leave at the end. 11:39 AM · Jan 6, 2023
Tammie McDonald 🇺🇸 @TammieMcDonal17 Replying to @JackPosobiec Why did Dylan wait for 8+ hours to call for help. Her friends were dead in rooms around her and she didn’t call for help? I understand being in shock, but this doesn’t make sense 10:51 AM · Jan 6, 2023
larsonsewell@msn.com @larsonsewell Replying to @JackPosobiec It is impossible to imagine a scenario where Dylan hears crying, strange noises, and sees a man in a ski mask leave the house at 4:00 am and yet doesn’t check her roommates or call the police until noon the next day. There is no plausible explanation for that. 11:17 AM · Jan 6, 2023
:shrug:
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: GtHawk on January 06, 2023, 06:45:28 pm
Didn't the perp ask the police something like am I the only one they caught when he was arrested?
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: mountaineer on January 06, 2023, 07:46:40 pm
Didn't the perp ask the police something like am I the only one they caught when he was arrested?
Yes, he reportedly asked about anyone else being arrested. Very curious.
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: Idiot on January 06, 2023, 11:43:58 pm
Didn't the perp ask the police something like am I the only one they caught when he was arrested?
He doesn't look like the kind of person to have many friends.
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: DB on January 07, 2023, 12:01:24 am
He doesn't look like the kind of person to have many friends.
Perhaps he tried to setup someone else before he got caught.
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: ChemEngrMBA on January 07, 2023, 02:37:36 pm
His public defender has received all the evidence against him and clearly sees his conviction forthcoming. She will cop a plea deal to spare his miserable life, thus insuring that he will suffer decades of ridicule, tauntings and threats from inmates and guards. Hopefully he will hang himself within the year.
Afterthought: Perhaps one or two of the cute college age girls spurned his advances and he decided to get revenge, in addition to continuing his perverted research on the minds and actions of murderers.
(Kohberger's note to self: "Why did you leave that damned scabbard behind!")
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: Mod2 on January 07, 2023, 02:48:24 pm
Merged threads. A comment that is your own and not a published article does not require a separate thread.
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: sneakypete on January 07, 2023, 03:58:49 pm
Tying him to a stake and setting him on fire works for me.
EXPECIALLY if it is televised and mandatory viewing by inmates in all the prisons.
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: sneakypete on January 07, 2023, 04:02:14 pm
Seems unlikely,given the fact that they knew who he was and had the local cops in another state arrest him so quickly.
Now we just have to hope the DA doesn't screw up the case,or allow an insanity plea. This boy needs to die in prison,the sooner the better so he can provide a public service by showing the other inmates what their likely future is if they keep living the life of a criminal.
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: sneakypete on January 07, 2023, 04:05:36 pm
Chances are that as a criminal law student he had also given blood in the past.
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: mystery-ak on January 07, 2023, 04:11:22 pm
The chilling messages ex-FBI investigator believes Bryan Kohberger posted in online discussion groups before his arrest - with details about Idaho murders NO ONE could have known
Former FBI investigator Jennifer Coffindaffer suggested that suspect Bryan Kohberger joined social media discussion groups about the Idaho murders Many now believe Kohberger is the man behind the Pappa Rodgers Facebook and InsideLooking Reddit accounts Both accounts made chillingly accurate speculations and the person behind them was accused of being the real killer on Facebook and Reddit One of the moderators of the Facebook group noted that the Pappa Rodgers account went silent following Kohberger's arrest
By Ronny Reyes For Dailymail.Com
Published: 00:35 EST, 7 January 2023 | Updated: 07:25 EST, 7 January 2023
A former FBI investigator has suggested that Bryan Kohberger, who is accused of slaying four Idaho college students, joined online groups discussing the killings.
Jennifer Coffindaffer said she had been following the comments of a Facebook user with the handle Pappa Rodgers, who along with a Redditor with the handle InsideLooking, made chilling speculations about the murders that turned out to be true.
In an archive about the two online personas who frequented discussions about the brutal slayings, both users accurately pointed out the timeline of the killings and the fact that police found a knife sheath, all before the details were publicly revealed.
more https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11608817/Ex-FBI-investigator-believes-Idaho-murders-suspect-Bryan-Kohberger-joined-online-discussion-groups.html
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: DB on January 07, 2023, 04:13:51 pm
Chances are that as a criminal law student he had also given blood in the past.
They got blood samples from his family's home trash. But they already knew who they were looking for before the DNA was collected. The car caught on camera and the cell phone where the big clues. He turned off his phone just before going and doing the murders and turned it back on afterwards. And then drove by the house later that morning with the cell phone on. The cell phone gave him away.
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: sneakypete on January 07, 2023, 04:15:31 pm
You DO know that most people who give blood to be listed in those data bases have to agree to let their blood info be public,right?
Most do it because they are looking for family connections with people who are strangers to them. Maybe they have been adopted,or think they have a close blood relation that was adopted,and are trying to find them.
These systems don't work unless you agree to let your blood info become public.
Nothing illegal or dubious about it.
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: 240B on January 07, 2023, 04:17:03 pm
The investigators said at the outset that the killer made mistakes.
He left a bloody shoeprint. Was seen at the crime scene by a witness. Left the sheath of the knife on the scene. Left DNA at the crime scene. Had a picture of his car leaving the scene. And his cell phone was pinging the entire time. All of the police chatter about having no leads and no suspect was subterfuge. They had him long before they arrested him.
His famous 'criminology degree' is very much in question. He committed the murders with no more expertise than any average Joe. All of his criminology background never came into play. He was sloppy.
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: 240B on January 08, 2023, 12:47:54 pm
It is weird to think, hard to comprehend, hard to think about. It is my opinion that this whole thing was just an 'experiment' in his doctoral thesis.
He wanted to know, to feel, he wanted blood on his own hands, to write what it is like.
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: 240B on January 08, 2023, 01:13:24 pm
His goal i can understand in a sort of, he wanted to know what it was really like to Kill. He wanted to stab, he wanted the blood. But how could a PHD in criminal psychology be so stupid?
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: Kamaji on January 08, 2023, 02:18:44 pm
Comments about the knife sheath would be a big tell.
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: sneakypete on January 08, 2023, 02:22:53 pm
His goal i can understand in a sort of, he wanted to know what it was really like to Kill. He wanted to stab, he wanted the blood. But how could a PHD in criminal psychology be so stupid?
Stupid people are generally only a danger to themselves.
The opposite is true of the insane.
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: catfish1957 on January 08, 2023, 04:26:55 pm
Stupid people are generally only a danger to themselves.
The opposite is true of the insane.
Unibomber (Kaczynski) sure seems to meet your premise.
College professor.
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: GtHawk on January 08, 2023, 07:17:18 pm
It is weird to think, hard to comprehend, hard to think about. It is my opinion that this whole thing was just an 'experiment' in his doctoral thesis.
He wanted to know, to feel, he wanted blood on his own hands, to write what it is like.
Which doesn't change him being evil and demented one damn bit! One thing to think about it, mystery /horror authors do it all the time, but to actually go out and do it?
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: GtHawk on January 08, 2023, 07:21:48 pm
Stupid people are generally only a danger to themselves.
The opposite is true of the insane.
Pete you say insane, but I'm loath to use that term because it offers an excuse for what he did, No I'm not saying you are making excuses for him, I think this SOB is just flat out EVIL and don't accept any excuses like 'he was bullied' or 'he was insane'. My opinion is that just like a rabid dog this POS needs to be put down, I sincerely hope he hasn't bred **nononono*
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: sneakypete on January 08, 2023, 08:43:08 pm
Pete you say insane, but I'm loath to use that term because it offers an excuse for what he did,
I have never personally seen insanity as an excuse. I see it as an excellent reason to double down on sentencing. I ain't no shrike and don't play one on TB,but I have seen/known a few insane people,and they just don't get better if left to their own devices,they just get worse. When a mind is truly "broken" it can't be fixed,only sedated,and none of them enjoy being sedated because it "take all the fun out of crazy".
No I'm not saying you are making excuses for him, I think this SOB is just flat out EVIL and don't accept any excuses like 'he was bullied' or 'he was insane'. My opinion is that just like a rabid dog this POS needs to be put down, I sincerely hope he hasn't bred **nononono*
Can't argue with either of those opinions. Despite what the professional fools we call "shrinks" claim,there ARE some people who are just so "broken" they can't be "fixed". Hell,they don't even WANT to be "fixed".
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: mountaineer on January 09, 2023, 05:06:56 pm
Attorney Reveals Why Idaho Massacre Survivor Likely Didn’t Immediately Call 911 by David Hookstead about 3 hours ago
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... One of the most fascinating parts of the case is the fact a roommate who survived the attack, identified in the probable cause affidavit as D.M., saw the killer in the house moments after the massacre. However, police weren’t called for eight hours and D.M. returned to her room.
The probable cause affidavit doesn’t make it crystal clear how close D.M. was to the killer. She was definitely close enough to get a look at the uncovered part of his face and his build. ...
Shanon Gray, who represents the family of Kaylee Goncalves, spoke with Fox News about the situation and the survivor’s actions. He made it clear an intense amount of fear likely paralyzed her.
“Remember, she’s a victim in this case. Everyone kind of forgets that. She’s still a victim in this case, and the fact that she was able to give some additional identification I think is beneficial in this case. She was able to give kind of type and build and what [the suspect] looked like a little bit — bushy eyebrows, things along those lines,”
He added that she returned to her room out of fear and explained, “She was scared to death and rightly so. This guy had just murdered four people in the home. So, who knows what was going through her head, but the Gonzalez family doesn’t have any ill will towards her.” ...
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on January 10, 2023, 02:22:34 am
Stupid people are generally only a danger to themselves.
The opposite is true of the insane.
He wasn't insane. He just lacked morals and a conscience.
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on January 10, 2023, 02:23:28 am
Attorney Reveals Why Idaho Massacre Survivor Likely Didn’t Immediately Call 911 by David Hookstead about 3 hours ago Outkick (https://www.outkick.com/idaho-massacre-murders-survivor-bryan-kohberger-attorney-911-call-kaylee-goncalves/?fbclid=IwAR0UjT99EHbsIjyS-ExX3CisTBspDrbpTrjt3R6GT9vEYcCA6zQZ3EUKGEE)
I feel very sorry for that girl. She'll probably never forgive herself for something that doesn't require forgiveness.
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: sneakypete on January 10, 2023, 03:39:36 am
He wasn't insane. He just lacked morals and a conscience.
@Maj.Bill Martin
I ain't no shrink and don't even play one on teebee,but that pretty much defines insanity.
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: Hoodat on January 10, 2023, 04:19:54 am
Unibomber (Kaczynski) sure seems to meet your premise.
College professor.
Ex-college professor. The think that impresses me about Kaczynski is the effort, sacrifice, and dedication he put into his bombings. This Idaho murderer was no Ted Kaczynski.
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on January 10, 2023, 04:43:07 am
I ain't no shrink and don't even play one on teebee,but that pretty much defines insanity.
I guess it works colloquially. I'm a lawyer so I tend to see everything through that prism. Under the law, sociopathy/psychopathy has no relevance to criminal liability or sentencing. If anything, I agree with your point upthread that it actually makes it worse.
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: sneakypete on January 11, 2023, 08:40:23 pm
Pete you say insane, but I'm loath to use that term because it offers an excuse for what he did, No I'm not saying you are making excuses for him, I think this SOB is just flat out EVIL and don't accept any excuses like 'he was bullied' or 'he was insane'. My opinion is that just like a rabid dog this POS needs to be put down, I sincerely hope he hasn't bred **nononono*
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: sneakypete on January 11, 2023, 08:42:54 pm
Pretty much sounds like a prescription for insanity to me. Sane people are in possession of both.
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on January 11, 2023, 08:59:19 pm
Pretty much sounds like a prescription for insanity to me. Sane people are in possession of both.
As long as the perpetrator knows that the rest of society considers the act to be morally wrong and illegal, he was aware of the consequences of his actions and did them anyway. Not insane. Just a complete a-hole.
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: sneakypete on January 11, 2023, 09:03:53 pm
As long as the perpetrator knows that the rest of society considers the act to be morally wrong and illegal, he was aware of the consequences of his actions and did them anyway. Not insane. Just a complete a-hole.
Even you write in the post above this that he has no conscience.
If not having a conscience doesn't make you insane,neither does barking at passing cars.
Seems to ME that not having a conscience is one of the most basic requirements for being insane.
After all,sane people understand the difference between right and wrong,even if they don't always do what is right. They make a CONSCIOUS decision to do something wrong.
Someone that is insane doesn't even understand the concept of "wrong".
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: berdie on January 11, 2023, 09:28:27 pm
It is weird to think, hard to comprehend, hard to think about. It is my opinion that this whole thing was just an 'experiment' in his doctoral thesis.
He wanted to know, to feel, he wanted blood on his own hands, to write what it is like.
I have thought about this post for a couple of days.
I think, sadly, you could be right.
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on January 11, 2023, 09:35:14 pm
Even you write in the post above this that he has no conscience.
If not having a conscience doesn't make you insane,neither does barking at passing cars.
Seems to ME that not having a conscience is one of the most basic requirements for being insane.
After all,sane people understand the difference between right and wrong,even if they don't always do what is right. They make a CONSCIOUS decision to do something wrong.
Someone that is insane doesn't even understand the concept of "wrong".
Actually, most psychopaths/sociopaths understand the concept quite well, at least on an intellectual level. They just believe they personally are "above" it.
If they didn't understand the difference, they wouldn't bother taking any steps to conceal their commission of the crime. In fact, that's usually one of the things that kills an attempt at an insanity plea. If you took steps to hide your identify/not be discovered, then you knew it was wrong/against the law, and insanity is not a defense.
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: sneakypete on January 11, 2023, 10:48:35 pm
Actually, most psychopaths/sociopaths understand the concept quite well, at least on an intellectual level. They just believe they personally are "above" it.
I pretty much agree on that one. Being a narcist certainly adds to mental instability even though many (most? all?) narcissists have high IQ's. They just think that the laws don't apply to them,or that they are smart enough to beat any rap in court.
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If they didn't understand the difference, they wouldn't bother taking any steps to conceal their commission of the crime. In fact, that's usually one of the things that kills an attempt at an insanity plea. If you took steps to hide your identify/not be discovered, then you knew it was wrong/against the law, and insanity is not a defense.
True dat!
Mostly. I suspect the majority of them that aren't barking and chasing mail trucks think they are too smart to get caught,and that if they DO get caught,they are smart enough to beat the rap.
Modesty just ain't a part of their makeup.
BTW,the actor that played the loon in "Silence of the Lambs" was maybe just a little bit TOO good in his portrayal. Anyway,that was one HELL of a good movie.
BTW,just remembered his name. It was Anthony Hopkins,and he blew it out of the water.
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: Kamaji on January 11, 2023, 10:58:15 pm
Actually, most psychopaths/sociopaths understand the concept quite well, at least on an intellectual level. They just believe they personally are "above" it.
If they didn't understand the difference, they wouldn't bother taking any steps to conceal their commission of the crime. In fact, that's usually one of the things that kills an attempt at an insanity plea. If you took steps to hide your identify/not be discovered, then you knew it was wrong/against the law, and insanity is not a defense.
With psychopaths, I believe it's the case that they understand the concept of a conscience intellectually - that there are things that one should, and should not, do to other persons - they just don't have the underlying mechanism to make them feel the internal compulsion to follow that conscience.
I guess some of them do express it as feeling "above" the dictates of a conscience, but it is more the case that they simply don't have the underlying gut sense that makes it "feel" wrong to do something that one knows is wrong.
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: GtHawk on January 11, 2023, 11:34:30 pm
Actually, most psychopaths/sociopaths understand the concept quite well, at least on an intellectual level. They just believe they personally are "above" it.
If they didn't understand the difference, they wouldn't bother taking any steps to conceal their commission of the crime. In fact, that's usually one of the things that kills an attempt at an insanity plea. If you took steps to hide your identify/not be discovered, then you knew it was wrong/against the law, and insanity is not a defense.
Here is an article that discusses psychopaths, sociopaths and the insanity defense. https://law.jrank.org/pages/7670/Insanity-Defense-Psychopaths-Sociopaths.html
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: Kamaji on January 11, 2023, 11:40:43 pm
Here is an article that discusses psychopaths, sociopaths and the insanity defense. https://law.jrank.org/pages/7670/Insanity-Defense-Psychopaths-Sociopaths.html
Yup. That accords with my basic understanding of the matter.
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: rangerrebew on January 12, 2023, 01:07:17 pm
Idaho murders suspect Bryan Kohberger made ‘every mistake’ a murderer could make, former FBI investigator says Story by Kayla Bailey • Yesterday 2:35 PM
It's been two months since four college students were brutally murdered in Moscow, Idaho— and, with all eyes on Bryan Kohberger, crime experts are making known the suspect's glaringly obvious missteps.
Mark Fuhrman: We are where we are thanks to this Idaho witness
Fox Nation's Mark Fuhrman was joined by law enforcement experts to unpack the case that shocked the nation in "Moscow Murders: Convicting a Killer," a new Fox Nation special that breaks down the tragic timeline of the Idaho murders while spotlighting the major mistakes made by the murder suspect.
"He made every mistake you could make. He was connected to the vehicle. He left his DNA. He left his murder weapon sheath. A witness saw him. He didn't eliminate the witness. He got in over his head. He killed more victims than he thought. And he stalked them, and it was printed all over his cell phone. And that's just what we know," former FBI investigator Bill Daly argued to crime scene expert Mark Fuhrman.
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: verga on January 12, 2023, 05:17:45 pm
I guess they don't Ph.D. Candidates like they used to.
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source says
Post by: Smokin Joe on January 12, 2023, 06:35:59 pm
I guess they don't Ph.D. Candidates like they used to.
The professors are likely Democrats.
Democrats don't get prosecuted very often, so their skill set for avoiding arrest and conviction may be a mite rusty.
If the professors are Conservatives, would they really teach likely leftist students how to not leave evidence.
Face it, the guy would have been likely better served streaming a season of Dexter.
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source s
Post by: verga on January 12, 2023, 07:28:48 pm
Democrats don't get prosecuted very often, so their skill set for avoiding arrest and conviction may be a mite rusty.
If the professors are Conservatives, would they really teach likely leftist students how to not leave evidence.
Face it, the guy would have been likely better served streaming a season of Dexter.
Or the original CSI
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source s
Post by: Smokin Joe on January 13, 2023, 03:44:28 am
Something was brought to my attention today. A friend showed me how Google tracked him all over the country, and even in town, for the past year, likely using cell phone data. His phone and computer are synched, so that may have something to do with it. It had times and dates and even how long he stopped at places along the way.
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source s
Post by: DB on January 13, 2023, 03:55:10 am
Something was brought to my attention today. A friend showed me how Google tracked him all over the country, and even in town, for the past year, likely using cell phone data. His phone and computer are synched, so that may have something to do with it. It had times and dates and even how long he stopped at places along the way.
Yep.
Law enforcement doesn't like to talk about it much, but most criminals expose their crimes via a smart phone that they just can't live without. Especially crimes that weren't preplanned.
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source s
Post by: mountaineer on February 03, 2023, 01:19:58 pm
February 2, 2023 4:10pm EST Inside Idaho murders suspect Bryan Kohberger's unusually long route home to Pennsylvania The lengthy drive home in December had some questioning whether he was dodging more than snow By Michael Ruiz | Fox News
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EXCLUSIVE: A month after allegedly stabbing four University of Idaho students to death, Bryan Kohberger and his dad set off on a cross-country odyssey in the vehicle of interest, headed home to Pennsylvania from Washington State University.
The 28-year-old criminology Ph.D. student avoided the most direct route, which along Interstates 90 and 94 is a 38-hour drive, according to Google Maps.
Was he trying to confuse authorities, enjoy a "scenic route" or avoid bad weather?
Kohberger and his dad went south down to Loma, Colorado, near I-70, then cut east on a route that took them past Indianapolis along the way, adding at least six hours to a drive that they completed sometime between Dec. 12 and Dec. 16.
Court documents don’t specify exactly when Kohberger left his apartment in Pullman, Washington, about 10 miles from the crime scene. But the documents show his car triggered a license plate reader in Loma on Dec. 13. The route takes the father-and-son duo about 15 hours out of the way. ...
According to that same reporting, however, the Kohbergers were allegedly worried about snow to the north in their 2015 Hyundai Elantra — a small sedan, nearly a decade old, with front-wheel drive. ...
That said, the initial hours of the duo's journey would have been treacherous had they taken the most direct route — with whiteout conditions that covered parts of the Northern Plains and Upper Midwest in feet of snow. ...
Rest of story (https://www.foxnews.com/us/inside-idaho-murders-suspect-bryan-kohberger-unusually-long-route-home-pennsylvania) If he was going home for the Christmas break, it's kind of curious that he didn't fly. Did his father fly out to eastern Washington to make the drive back to Pa., I wonder.
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source s
Post by: mountaineer on February 09, 2023, 03:52:56 pm
Accused Idaho murderer Bryan Kohberger may have left knife sheath behind to mislead investigators: expert By Patrick Reilly February 7, 2023 8:01pm Updated
Accused murderer Bryan Kohberger may have deliberately left a knife sheath at the home where four University of Idaho students were found stabbed to death in an attempt to mislead investigators, according to a criminal profiler.
“If you took a pistol out of your holster, wouldn’t you put it back in?” John Kelly, a psychotherapist who has interviewed serial killers, said on Fox News Tuesday. “I don’t know anybody who wouldn’t, and if I went fishing and had to take my knife out, I would put it back in the sheath.”
Kohberger, who was known to be obsessive over his strict vegan diet, likely hid the bloody knife somewhere it could not contaminate his clothes or his car, Kelly said. The murder weapon has still not been found months after the Nov. 13 killings.
“You’re such a clean vegan who’s obsessive-compulsive about what you eat and everything else, just the hygiene of carrying a bloody knife around, wearing it somewhere on your person as you get out of the house,” Kelly said. ... https://nypost.com/2023/02/07/bryan-kohberger-may-have-left-knife-sheath-to-mislead-investigators-expert/
Title: Re: Idaho murders: Suspect in custody in killings of 4 university students, law enforcement source s
Post by: sneakypete on February 10, 2023, 01:23:36 am
I honestly don't care about the details of what this murderer thinks.
I just want to read that he has been put down like the rabid animal he is.