Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: catfish1957 on December 14, 2022, 01:58:01 pm
From Bastardi's data, and extrapolating GFS model runs....
Those of us + or - 50 miles of the I-10 corridor from Houston to NOLA will see highs in 30's lows in the low 20's, with 1-2" of snow Christmas.
Don't get your hopes up too much, like hurricane runs, much can change in the next 10 days. In any case, all the models are calling for a huge artic blast about that time. I just hope it isn't like 1983, and all the damage that caused.
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: catfish1957 on December 14, 2022, 02:05:09 pm
Also seems the biggest bullseye for the artic blast per model data seems centered around the Ohio Valley
KY, IL, IN, TN, OH, and WV might see temperatures up to 25 degrees below normal. Generally in that area that means highs in single digits and lows in negative single digits. With an added 3-6" snowpack.
Those in the cental plains, and westward look like they are going to be missing the bitter cold. At least by their standards.
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: EdinVA on December 14, 2022, 02:06:22 pm
We have not had a white Christmas is several decades... we are due..
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: catfish1957 on December 14, 2022, 02:11:19 pm
We have not had a white Christmas is several decades... we are due..
Predicting temperatures is a lot easier on Mets than precipitation. It might be coldest Christmas in decades, but also snowless, depending on storm tracks, and moisture profiles.
That is why I am pretty comfortable thinking the cold is enevitable, but pinpointing exactly who gets snow is impossible and you have pretty much a crap shoot until you get to a 24-72 hr. window. In any case, for everyone east of the plains, this is an overall best chance in about 20 years.
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: EdinVA on December 14, 2022, 02:13:52 pm
Predicting temperatures is a lot easier on Mets than precipitation. It might be coldest Christmas in decades, but also snowless, depending on storm tracks, and moisture profiles.
That is why I am pretty comfortable thinking the cold is enevitable, but pinpointing exactly who gets snow is impossible until you pretty a crap shoot until you get to a 24-72 hr. window. In any case, for everyone east of the plains, this is an overall best chance in about 20 years.
We get rain quite often on Christmas but the temps are usually around 35-40 so a few degrees may do it.... the real problem is when it decides to dump around here it really dumps... 12-27 inches every few years. We tend to get more ice than snow and that make everything miserable..
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: Smokin Joe on December 15, 2022, 08:26:00 am
Y'all can have some of ours...(second day of "no travel advised" in the western 2/3 of the State, and another day of snow on the way). Getting around town is a 4WD proposition, unless you chain up. No mail delivery yesterday, and chances are that the mails will be messed up in time for Christmas. If they do like they did in April, any backlog will be shoved aside and cleared when the current mail goes through, which made payments I had sent before the storm over three weeks late (they were in the 'backlog pile'). That only cost me $120.00 in stopped payments, late fees, and other fun. My bad. just getting hit with the late fees would have been cheaper than stopping payment.
Oh well, "the check is in the mail".
In the meantime, unless we get an almost catastrophic Chinook, a "White Christmas" is guaranteed. About a foot of snow on the ground outside now, only it keeps drifting about, so it's hard to measure.
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: roamer_1 on December 15, 2022, 08:36:11 am
In the meantime, unless we get an almost catastrophic Chinook, a "White Christmas" is guaranteed. About a foot of snow on the ground outside now, only it keeps drifting about, so it's hard to measure.
Y'all must be getting it from north. Plowed the second time this year so far, but it about needs it again. A foot proper on the ground... less than 18" anyway... Over 4" on the driveway... around 20 degrees right now, for the next couple days, before it heads back to teens and single digits.
Normal for December... maybe a touch cold. But nothing remarkable.
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: Smokin Joe on December 15, 2022, 08:39:08 am
Y'all must be getting it from north. Plowed the second time this year so far, but it about needs it again. A foot proper on the ground... less than 18" anyway... Over 4" on the driveway... around 20 degrees right now, for the next couple days, before it heads back to teens and single digits.
Normal for December... maybe a touch cold. But nothing remarkable.
No, this one's odd. Moved in from the south, and keeps on coming, running into the polar high off to the northwest. I guess the whole thing is being held stagnant by a polar high over Greenland, and that's screwing with folks all the way east to the coast.
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: catfish1957 on December 15, 2022, 12:55:10 pm
No, this one's odd. Moved in from the south, and keeps on coming, running into the polar high off to the northwest. I guess the whole thing is being held stagnant by a polar high over Greenland, and that's screwing with folks all the way east to the coast.
This one at least as at the onset has the same meterorlogical tendencies to what all of us went through on Christmas of 1983 and 1989. Cold and Snow watchers need to be keen to the directional vector of polar high as it plunges southward late next week. If we see are more North-South movement, vs. say NW to SE, you'll see the core of 31+ barometric settling alot further south. And that will translate to brutal cold. Seeing 31+ scooting the Candadian- U.S. border than say Oklahoma/Tx Panhandle will make maybe 20-30 degree difference on how this plays out.
Secondly watch for what I call the valleys of Bar. Press, around placed highs in these cold outbreaks. These tend to be where we see the great big snows. Those pesty upper level lows that dump a dusting to 6" generally can't survive mountains of cold air in the atmosphere, due to most all additonal moisture being squeezed before becoming frozen convection.
Taking a look at the most recent GFS run------>. https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/?model=gfs®ion=us&pkg=mslp_pcpn_frzn&runtime=2022121506&fh=132 (https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/?model=gfs®ion=us&pkg=mslp_pcpn_frzn&runtime=2022121506&fh=132)
Polar high core reaches the CONUS (Continental United States) border at mid day on the 20th as a 1061Mb high (wow-Barometric Pressure of 31.31) in a (at first) Montana to Kansas vector.
Through the 21st, it continues a SE, then southward plunge, targeting the plains with core. Precipitation looks sparse, as the lows at the moment are pushed to along the FL and SC coasts.
Through the 24th, and I see this is big, is that the high stalls around the Dakotas and moderates. This possibly could spare the South and the midwest record breaking cold. In fact a 1035Mb high comes on shore in CA, that is not that much lower than our artic high, which at least in this part of the run is at 1044Mb. With that....... There is a real tight pressure gradient between the two highs located Western Nebraska, Western Kansas, and Eastern Colorada. That kind of setup may create huge snows.
By late Christmas Eve and actual low has formed in Nebraska that moves eastward around the north of the High that has moderated (1034Mb) This run would indicate big snows from a line say the...... Central ND border through about Omaha Nebraska. Precipatation in the S, SE, and Midwest looks pretty sparse.
On Christmas, the low seems to stall over Missouri, and southern IL. I sure hope these models aren't accurate for them. 24 hours of heavy snow? Yikes. The artic high itself, lifts to the NE.
Through the 26th, apparently there is enough residual moisture, and cold air to show some minor snow and ice for Mississippi, Alabama, and southern GA, as a Noreaster looking low seems to be forming off the SC coast.
Again... a warning.... This is model data 7-11 days out. Just like hurricanes, these are guesses, and not typically accurate. But, from seeing upper air patterns, and what we are seeing in the Yukon right now, I do think it is a pretty safe bet that everyone from the Continental Divide eastward is going to see some pretty damned cold weather, and a good chance we'll see snows and White Christmases, where we don't normally see them.
And p.s. to NE Briefers...... Same model shows a 974 Mb Noreaster off the east coast by the 28th. It's proximty to that location, will be huge.
Stay tuned.
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: catfish1957 on December 16, 2022, 12:56:37 pm
Update:
Seems the model has tamed quite a bit, from a peaking monster artic blast at 1061mb to topping out at 1054Mb.
Track is almost taking more of a clipper path than earlier runs. This spares (at least super brutal cold) for the south and southeast. Midwest, and East coast should still seem some cold cold snowy weather. In fact the Noreaster that I mentioned yesterday, has now a closer coastal run, very closely hugging the the east coast on 23- 24 Dec, slamming into Nova Scotia as a 974 Mb hurricane like storm.
NE Briefers should keep their eyes on this next week. If this scenario plays out watch for significant blizzards and wind and ice driven power outages in that neck of the woods.
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: Gefn on December 16, 2022, 01:47:03 pm
Alas , sunny day and 28 degrees predicted here.
Today it’s pouring rain and a lot of major flooding
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: deb on December 16, 2022, 02:52:27 pm
Day 4 of a major snowstorm. Day 4 of being confined to the farm. Blizzard warning until 6pm tonight. We will have an abundantly white Christmas.
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: Free Vulcan on December 16, 2022, 02:59:51 pm
Looks like single digits and negatives at night here in the Florida of Iowa, and maybe even a white Christmas.
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: DefiantMassRINO on December 16, 2022, 03:07:07 pm
In coastal Massachusetts, I've seen more rainy Christmas Eves and Days than snowy ones.
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: catfish1957 on December 16, 2022, 03:31:14 pm
In coastal Massachusetts, I've seen more rainy Christmas Eves and Days than snowy ones.
Keep your eye on a noreaster this year. As you likely know, the track of the low is critical and 50 miles can be the difference in 3' of cold rain and 30' of snow. And the difference in 30 and 70 mph winds.
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: DefiantMassRINO on December 16, 2022, 04:00:04 pm
Great Nor'easters are actually sub-tropical hurricanes.
The traditional setup is a warm, moist low moving north; and a cold dry low moving east; combining of transferring energy to a Mid-Atlantic low that experiences bombogenisis as it moves Northeast near the New England coast.
The track of the big red L makes all the differences. Because of the tight banding of a storm undergoing bombogenisis, it only takes a few miles to move the rain-sleet-ice-snow lines.
As the storm moves towards the Canadian Maritimes, it draws down cold dry air from Canada to freeze everything in its wake.
Every once in a while, there's even Thunder Snow.
A danger of a slow moving Nor'Easter is coastal flooding as a fetch out of the northeast piles up water along the coast line.
They make for challenging and interesting meteorological forecasts, many of which turn out to be wrong in some way.
It seems meteoroligical computers models don't account for precipitation drawing down cold air to the surface. Many forcecasts miss early transitions from liquid to frozen precipitation. They also underestimate snow totals because, again, they don't account for precipitation drawing down colder air that increases the snow's "fluff factor". Dry snow has greater volume per inch of precipitation than wet snow.
Nor'Easters love to prove climatological computer models as inadequate and flawed.
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: catfish1957 on December 16, 2022, 04:02:58 pm
Great Nor'easters are actually sub-tropical hurricanes.
The traditional setup is a warm, moist low moving north; and a cold dry low moving east; combining of transferring energy to a Mid-Atlantic low that experiences bombogenisis as it moves Northeast near the New England coast.
The track of the big red L makes all the differences. Because of the tight banding of a storm undergoing bombogenisis, it only takes a few miles to move the rain-sleet-ice-snow lines.
As the storm moves towards the Canadian Maritimes, it draws down cold dry air from Canada to freeze everything in its wake.
Every once in a while, there's even Thunder Snow.
A danger of a slow moving Nor'Easter is coastal flooding as a fetch out of the northeast piles up water along the coast line.
They make for challenging and interesting meteorological forecasts, many of which turn out to be wrong in some way.
It seems meteoroligical computers models don't account for precipitation drawing down cold air to the surface. Many forcecasts miss early transitions from liquid to frozen precipitation. They also underestimate snow totals because, again, they don't account for precipitation drawing down colder air that increases the snow's "fluff factor". Dry snow has greater volume per inch of precipitation than wet snow.
Nor'Easters love to prove climatological computer models as inadequate and flawed.
Good luck. I know y'all all prepare accordingly.
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: EdinVA on December 16, 2022, 04:06:02 pm
The 10 day for Virginia shows a high in the high teens.... I don't care what language you speak, high and teens do not belong in the same sentence... :whistle:
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: DefiantMassRINO on December 16, 2022, 04:07:34 pm
Media outlets overhype storms to bring in ratings. There's nothing like impending doom to keep people glued to media outlets as they scurry for supplies.
Storms are a fact of life. You learn how to live with them.
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 16, 2022, 04:12:00 pm
Media outlets overhype storms to bring in ratings. There's nothing like impending doom to keep people glued to media outlets as they scurry for supplies.
Storms are a fact of life. You learn how to live with them.
:yowsa:
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: Hoodat on December 16, 2022, 06:46:29 pm
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: EdinVA on December 16, 2022, 07:56:52 pm
Train Plowing railroad tracks after winter storm - December 2022 - Donner Pass https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcmD_hCnwHQ
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: mountaineer on December 16, 2022, 08:01:10 pm
Yikes. I just checked the long range forecast, and we're looking at temperatures in the mid-teens for Christmas Eve and Christmas day, with wind chills closer to zero. Ugh.
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: GtHawk on December 16, 2022, 09:31:35 pm
Yikes. I just checked the long range forecast, and we're looking at temperatures in the mid-teens for Christmas Eve and Christmas day, with wind chills closer to zero. Ugh.
The sad thing about SoCal is no white Christmas and rarely a cold wet Christmas, this year they predict mid 70's. Maybe that's just one more reason I am so down this Christmas.
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: deb on December 16, 2022, 09:58:31 pm
The sad thing about SoCal is no white Christmas and rarely a cold wet Christmas, this year they predict mid 70's. Maybe that's just one more reason I am so down this Christmas.
I will volunteer to switch places with you! :laugh:
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: jmyrlefuller on December 16, 2022, 10:46:59 pm
Rudolph had better polish up that schnozzola of his.
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: berdie on December 16, 2022, 10:51:55 pm
I will volunteer to switch places with you! :laugh:
I didn't say I liked snow, wasn't even a fan when my dad took us up to the mountains in California so we could sled in sled/tube in the snow. I think snow is fine as long as I am inside by a fire with a nice beverage, not for being outside in. I was not happy the one time I went hunting with a BIL in Colorado, we'll sleep in a tent he said, the weather will be fine he said, I woke up with the tent on my face because of all the snow pushing it down. Nope not a fan of snow. **nononono*
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: Smokin Joe on December 17, 2022, 01:06:37 am
Yikes. I just checked the long range forecast, and we're looking at temperatures in the mid-teens for Christmas Eve and Christmas day, with wind chills closer to zero. Ugh.
Our cold spell is slated for Monday night through Friday morning, with highs in the double digits below zero, and lows trending around twenty below. We're also looking at more snow to cap off the well over a foot we have right now (depending on drifts and blowouts, snowpack ranges from 0 to three feet or more, but one foot is about right.) It's powdery snow, so it moves around well on the ubiquitous and inexorable wind.
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: Smokin Joe on December 17, 2022, 01:08:23 am
I will volunteer to switch places with you! :laugh:
:silly:
Have they opened the roads back up down your way?
We've had 'no travel advised', and no mail, for days now.
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: libertybele on December 17, 2022, 01:24:05 am
I just looked at our 10 day weather forecast. Day before Christmas Eve we will dip down into the 40's, Christmas Eve we will also dip into the 40's at night; daytime temps will be in the high 60's. I can't say that this is unusually cold for this time of year but it's definitely a little on the chilly side for us.
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: roamer_1 on December 17, 2022, 01:33:37 am
I'm smoothing it... high 20s till tomorrow then single digits with only one remarkable night... That day a high of 7, and -12... which is the worst of it, heading into a thaw toward christmas day.
Sweet.
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: Smokin Joe on December 17, 2022, 01:41:44 am
I'm smoothing it... high 20s till tomorrow then single digits with only one remarkable night... That day a high of 7, and -12... which is the worst of it, heading into a thaw toward christmas day.
Sweet.
Life in the banana belt... :silly:
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: roamer_1 on December 17, 2022, 01:46:52 am
No doubt happy77... But we catch up with all y'all in january... If we are gonna hit -20/-30, that'll be when... For 2 weeks to a month... And then breakup starts in feb...
Maybe, considering how hard it came in, it will go out easy ! :shrug:
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: Smokin Joe on December 17, 2022, 01:53:16 am
No doubt happy77... But we catch up with all y'all in january... If we are gonna hit -20/-30, that'll be when... For 2 weeks to a month... And then breakup starts in feb...
Maybe, considering how hard it came in, it will go out easy ! :shrug:
Contrast with out last frost some time in mid June...I have seen a month up here where the high for the month was zero.
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: roamer_1 on December 17, 2022, 02:03:20 am
Contrast with out last frost some time in mid June...I have seen a month up here where the high for the month was zero.
Been there done that - but not this year. Our avg has prolly been low teens or high singles. Just came in hard and stayed. Our first thaw is coming on for christmas...
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: deb on December 17, 2022, 10:55:49 pm
Yes, finally. No mail yet. No UPS or FedEx. Husband spent all morning moving snow. Grandkids love the big piles he made for them to slide down.
Plow piles... Fixin to teach the yougins how to build a quinzhee... Always a good time... Fry bread and hot chocolates over the fire, and a hard day of digging for them... Me, I just sit in my chair and point a lot... happy77
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: Sighlass on December 18, 2022, 12:25:38 am
Plow piles... Fixin to teach the yougins how to build a quinzhee... Always a good time... Fry bread and hot chocolates over the fire, and a hard day of digging for them... Me, I just sit in my chair and point a lot... happy77
Wife tells of when her dad wrecked the van when she was little... He lost a lot of tools in the snowbank and had to come back weeks later to find his tools.
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: roamer_1 on December 18, 2022, 01:00:35 am
Wife tells of when her dad wrecked the van when she was little... He lost a lot of tools in the snowbank and had to come back weeks later to find his tools.
Yeah... That'll happen here too - But I use all my secondary gear when the youngins are involved, so when they lose em, I ain't gotta get pissed... At least, not till we find em again with the mower in the spring... But all my real gear stays in my go-bag and onboard my polk... and them kids know better than to get in those things. happy77
It's a really good time though, and it learns em the basics in case the get caught out.... And there's sledding and such too, as you'd expect. Always fun. And makes an old duffer seem useful for a minute. :beer:
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 18, 2022, 07:43:16 pm
Beautiful! But it chills me to the bone just looking at it.
Ain't so bad... happy77
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: mystery-ak on December 20, 2022, 02:45:59 pm
Winter storm: Bomb cyclone could hit in just days and cause Christmas chaos by Ryan King, Breaking News Reporter December 20, 2022 09:18 AM
Midwesterners may have a white Christmas as the formation of a bomb cyclone barrels their way and upends air travel.
Already, multiple airlines, such as JetBlue, American Airlines, Delta Air Lines, Southwest Airlines, and Alaska Airlines, are offering travel waivers to allow flight change fees to be waived for customers flying to specific locations for the holidays in anticipation of the inclement weather.
United Airlines is also offering three winter weather waivers for the Midwest, Texas, and East Coast, respectively. Cold and forceful winds from the storm are expected to strike parts of Texas and the East Coast over the coming days.
Ugh, we're looking at single digits this weekend. I extend a single digit to the weather!!
Mid to upper teens for lows here. Thank goodness the ice/snow is out of the picture at this point. These parts become demolition derby at the slghtest hint of ice.
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: mystery-ak on December 20, 2022, 03:16:37 pm
I am right in the middle of all this. My Christmas plans are up in the air right now.. 9999hair out0000
Local weather forcasters won't even estimate how much snow we will get with winds expected 40-50mph making the temps feel like -20 to -30...blizzard conditions.
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: roamer_1 on December 20, 2022, 03:55:45 pm
The forecast has been changing here... Just up thread I said the worst of it was Wednesday with a high of 7 and a low of -12... Now tonight is below zero, tomorrow is a high of -7 and a low of -24, and day after tomorrow's low is still below zero.
Still seems like a thaw is coming afterward... Talking about 40's in the last week of the year... Woo!
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: catfish1957 on December 20, 2022, 03:59:16 pm
The forecast has been changing here... Just up thread I said the worst of it was Wednesday with a high of 7 and a low of -12... Now tonight is below zero, tomorrow is a high of -7 and a low of -24, and day after tomorrow's low is still below zero.
Still seems like a thaw is coming afterward... Talking about 40's in the last week of the year... Woo!
-24?
And you still like living there?
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: Free Vulcan on December 20, 2022, 04:06:07 pm
Oh heck yeah! I am shopping today for some new gear... A big high-board polk, an insulated popup ice fishing tent, and a spanky new gas powered ice auger. Shoot, if I am lucky, I have a busted snow machine on the hook too. I am dropping a grand on that... and if I can fix it (which I can), it's a HUGE upgrade...
If all that goes well, I am heading for a high old time this winter. :cool:
Except if it does go well, the way my luck goes, a Chinook will blow through, eat off the snow, melt the lakes, and it will stay 40's all winter long. *****rollingeyes*****
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: catfish1957 on December 20, 2022, 04:12:27 pm
Oh heck yeah! I am shopping today for some new gear... A big high-board polk, an insulated popup ice fishing tent, and a spanky new gas powered ice auger. Shoot, if I am lucky, I have a busted snow machine on the hook too. I am dropping a grand on that... and if I can fix it (which I can), it's a HUGE upgrade...
If all that goes well, I am heading for a high old time this winter. :cool:
Except if it does go well, the way my luck goes, a Chinook will blow through, eat off the snow, melt the lakes, and it will stay 40's all winter long. *****rollingeyes*****
Don't be sending us fishing pictures like this....
Don't be sending us fishing pictures like this....
LOL!
No worries. With that popup and my big Mr.Buddy propane heater, it will be 65 inside that tent. and since I have the propane along, I will have my coleman camp stove too... hot coffee and chili are the likely candidates. Add in a bag of fun-size snickers and I will be smoothing it.
The only thing I am having trouble with right now is trying to find a new arctic parka. Can't find one I am happy with... I want it big. Oversized... Down to my knees... And apparently that's out of style nowadays.
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: Hoodat on December 20, 2022, 06:21:02 pm
And THAT is why I can't convince my Florida-native wife to move to South Dakota or Wyoming.
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: Sighlass on December 20, 2022, 09:08:10 pm
I don't care about your crazy freezing temps, it is gonna get 5 degrees here, yall nuts up North ask for it... I didn't, take that junk back North. I don't want two days below freezing... I still have single pane windows for goodness sakes, and I don't like wrapping my water outside with all kinds of Styrofoam trinkets that don't fit worth a hoot. I have to leave my faucets leaking (and I am leaky enough as I am). The animals don't like going outside to use the restroom. I have to keep the fireplace primed ultra max to keep the house above 65 degree... Yall just take it in stride, like it is no big deal... if this keeps up, I am gonna ask the college boy to send back the electric blankets we loaned him.
/end of my Karen rant
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: berdie on December 20, 2022, 09:16:08 pm
I read the temps posted on this thread and feel some what ashamed of myself for being whiney about the upcoming cold spell.
BUT!!! There is no reason I can see that we should deal with 100 degree plus weather in the summer and this as well. 9999hair out0000
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: Smokin Joe on December 20, 2022, 09:18:15 pm
I don't care about your crazy freezing temps, it is gonna get 5 degrees here, yall nuts up North ask for it... I didn't, take that junk back North. I don't want two days below freezing... I still have single pane windows for goodness sakes, and I don't like wrapping my water outside with all kinds of Styrofoam trinkets that don't fit worth a hoot. I have to leave my faucets leaking (and I am leaky enough as I am). The animals don't like going outside to use the restroom. I have to keep the fireplace primed ultra max to keep the house above 65 degree... Yall just take it in stride, like it is no big deal... if this keeps up, I am gonna ask the college boy to send back the electric blankets we loaned him.
/end of my Karen rant
Aw c'mon now @Sighlass ... If y'all were up in here all that would be different of a necessity.
I keep watching folks down by you on the yootube putting up a loafing shed... Every time, the header on a leanto is a single 2x6 nailed into the posts... with at least a 12' span. Up in here that'd be a 4x8x12 slam-lam, glued and screwed, with plywood separators to bring it out full... And there would be a post in the middle and that header would be sitting ON TOP of the posts. Because otherwise you'd just be building it again in the spring.
Not so much different I guess... but different where it counts. This ol mountain wolf has been wading in frozen creeks so long that I've got icy clear water running in my veins. Cold don't bother me none.
Put me down there by you in the middle of summer with 98% humidity and triple digits, I'd be likely to curl up and die on the first day.
Different strokes and all. :beer: :seeya:
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: roamer_1 on December 20, 2022, 10:13:27 pm
It's supposed to get down to 12 deg here Friday morning then maybe back above freezing for a few minutes sometime Sunday afternoon.
That's WAY too cold for me!
12 degrees I'd likely start thinking about wearing some flannel... and maybe a jacket if it were windy... :whistle:
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: libertybele on December 20, 2022, 11:04:58 pm
Sigh. I just heard on the radio that we are supposed to have one of the coldest Christmas' on record -- it is going to dip down into the 30's. Looking at the forecast for this zip code -- we will have a low of 38 on Fri, 39 on Sat and 39 on Christmas. That's a pretty darn unusual cold stretch of weather for here. Brrrr..... I have seen snow flurries here years ago.
It's supposed to get down to 12 deg here Friday morning then maybe back above freezing for a few minutes sometime Sunday afternoon.
That's WAY too cold for me!
I attended my brother's graduation in Dallas years ago. I packed summer clothes and high heels. You guessed it, they got and inch of snow and I froze my bootie off. :shrug:
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: Sighlass on December 20, 2022, 11:18:02 pm
When it's cold, you can put on a coat and stay warm. When it's hot, there ain't a damn thing you can do about it.
Hot weather, I get nearly Naked (well short shorts and boots) and drink Iced Tea... Heck what the neighbors think of my near 95% tanned body... This cold has me befuddled, I put on 10 layers of clothes and start sweating (then I get cold)... The game of peeling off/putting on layers of clothes every 10 minutes is for the birds. I would never make it up north, my feet sweat too much and thus unless I rotated socks every 30 minutes I would just be bear food outside.
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: roamer_1 on December 21, 2022, 12:09:09 am
I am right in the middle of all this. My Christmas plans are up in the air right now.. 9999hair out0000
Local weather forcasters won't even estimate how much snow we will get with winds expected 40-50mph making the temps feel like -20 to -30...blizzard conditions.
Yikes! Blizzard conditions are no fun! I hope your Christmas plans still work out @mystery-ak
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: mystery-ak on December 21, 2022, 02:32:30 am
I am right in the middle of all this. My Christmas plans are up in the air right now.. 9999hair out0000
Local weather forcasters won't even estimate how much snow we will get with winds expected 40-50mph making the temps feel like -20 to -30...blizzard conditions.
Stay safe and warm.
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: Wingnut on December 21, 2022, 01:44:17 pm
As much as I don’t like winter, there are aspects of it that are very beautiful
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: LMAO on December 21, 2022, 03:01:26 pm
We had a very nasty storm last week that took out power and dumped over 20 inches of snow on the ground. We’re supposed to have another storm that supposed to dump about 6 inches in the next several days but it’s the wind and I went to go and fill my birdfeeders this morning then temperatures of -12.
I have a young lab that really loves the first snow but I think he’s decided this cold is too much for him
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: mountaineer on December 21, 2022, 03:58:25 pm
As much as I don’t like winter, there are aspects of it that are very beautiful
I could take you places that would make your soul ache for the beauty. There is nothing more serene, more pristine, than a high mountain lake in the winter. And bitter, bitter cold is a necessary part of that beauty...
Besides... a hot tent levels the playing field. happy77
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: roamer_1 on December 21, 2022, 06:08:57 pm
Icicles formed from roof runoff have a slight flavor of bird shit. Don't ask me how I know this.
Only the first ones... By this time of year, most of the birds are south of here.
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: deb on December 21, 2022, 06:09:42 pm
As much as I (can) complain about the long, bitter winters, our dog absolutely loves the snow and the cold. She’s Golden Retriever/Great Pyrenees and is definitely in her happy place when the temperatures are below zero. I wish I could see winter her way…
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: roamer_1 on December 21, 2022, 06:29:26 pm
As much as I (can) complain about the long, bitter winters, our dog absolutely loves the snow and the cold. She’s Golden Retriever/Great Pyrenees and is definitely in her happy place when the temperatures are below zero. I wish I could see winter her way…
It is times like these when I miss my huskies. They truly love the winter, and haven't a care in the world how cold it gets.
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: libertybele on December 22, 2022, 12:22:19 am
Are you close by @jmyrlefuller ? (I don't remember, sigh)
Winter storm prep: National Weather Service says 'once-in-a-generation' storm approaching Buffalo region
The National Weather Service (NWS) is describing the winter storm bearing down on Buffalo and western New York ahead of Christmas as a "once-in-a-generation" event.
The declaration comes as much of the Great Lakes region is under winter storm watches and warnings during one of the busiest travel periods of the year.
"This once-in-a-generation storm will produce high winds east of Lake Ontario Thursday night into Friday morning, then over a larger coverage of our region Friday into Saturday," the NWS’ Buffalo office said Wednesday.
"Winds could gust over 65 mph, leading to at least scattered power outages, if not widespread outages," it added...........
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: roamer_1 on December 22, 2022, 12:59:47 am
Welp. I'm blowed in for the next couple days. My kid can handle the chores... and when it ain't so cold, and everything is kinda plowed out, he can bring the tractor down to dig me out. my plow ain't moving an inch without a butt-ton of digging.
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: libertybele on December 22, 2022, 01:07:23 am
Welp. I'm blowed in for the next couple days. My kid can handle the chores... and when it ain't so cold, and everything is kinda plowed out, he can bring the tractor down to dig me out. my plow ain't moving an inch without a butt-ton of digging.
Aw, no worries. I am just fine. Just can't get a pizza for a little while. Got plenty of food, and wood... And I have grown quite capable of sitting on my ass and waiting. Nothing else for it. happy77
The truck is in a drift to the door handles - which, since it is a lifted 4x4 on 33s, that's over 4', and I just don't feel like digging the danged thing out. besides, even if I did, it has to push 4' around to get moving, which would be a chore. We're at -6 and heading for -20 something tonight. And tomorrow. After that, thaw.
So it can wait.
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: libertybele on December 22, 2022, 01:42:25 am
Aw, no worries. I am just fine. Just can't get a pizza for a little while. Got plenty of food, and wood... And I have grown quite capable of sitting on my ass and waiting. Nothing else for it. happy77
The truck is in a drift to the door handles - which, since it is a lifted 4x4 on 33s, that's over 4', and I just don't feel like digging the danged thing out. besides, even if I did, it has to push 4' around to get moving, which would be a chore. We're at -6 and heading for -20 something tonight. And tomorrow. After that, thaw.
So it can wait.
:beer:
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: Free Vulcan on December 22, 2022, 02:48:16 am
It was a weird day here, it warmed up in the 50s, felt like Spring after the cold we had last few days. Get the feeling the rug is gonna be pulled out from under us soon. Keep safe gang, 5 minutes of some of those windchills is all it takes unless you got Roamer genes.
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: roamer_1 on December 22, 2022, 05:04:42 am
It was a weird day here, it warmed up in the 50s, felt like Spring after the cold we had last few days. Get the feeling the rug is gonna be pulled out from under us soon. Keep safe gang, 5 minutes of some of those windchills is all it takes unless you got Roamer genes.
Yeah that's the warm air getting pushed away as the cold front comes in. Up in here that cold gets stacked up behind the mountains and comes rushing in down the ravines and into the valleys... It can get to be quite a breeze, pushing the warm air out... then it turns cold and calms down as it settles in.
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: mountaineer on December 22, 2022, 12:26:35 pm
It was a weird day here, it warmed up in the 50s, felt like Spring after the cold we had last few days. Get the feeling the rug is gonna be pulled out from under us soon.
I read that the temperature plunged over 32 degrees in one hour in Cheyenne yesterday. We'll get this weather tomorrow morning. It should still be 40 at midnight tonight, then everything falls apart - ice, snow, wind, plummeting temperatures. I probably shouldn't, but will stop at the grocery store today, where everyone will be buying milk, bread and toilet paper for these two days of cold. We'll probably have power outages, unfortunately. By Sunday and Monday, it should be tolerable. Wind chills are supposed to reach at least -15, but I recall enduring January 1994, when the actual air temp hit -23 and I stood out there waiting for a bus to go to work, so we should survive this one. :laugh:
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: Gefn on December 22, 2022, 02:11:48 pm
It’s super cold here
Perfect for hot chocolate
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: Idiot on December 22, 2022, 02:38:40 pm
Our forecast was no snow and 14 degrees today...lol. It's snowing heavily and 14 now in Texas...ughhh!
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: roamer_1 on December 22, 2022, 03:26:11 pm
WOOHOO! G'morning everybody!
-27 this morning. Who knows with wind chill :shrug:
It's... crisp. happy77
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: Free Vulcan on December 22, 2022, 03:50:46 pm
Sounds like some good light jacket weather. :bullie smokin:
With the wind chill last night it was something like -50 Tried pissin off the porch, but it was still hitting the ground, so that's -30ish or less... :shrug:
But throw a bucket of water in the air, it don't hit the ground.
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: mountaineer on December 22, 2022, 04:33:04 pm
NWS has boosted snowfall totals for Buffalo and Watertown to 3-4 FEET. Some forecast models show in access of 6 feet for Buffalo Southtowns. https://twitter.com/ReedTimmerAccu/status/1605953373542289408
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: Free Vulcan on December 22, 2022, 04:35:17 pm
With the wind chill last night it was something like -50 Tried pissin off the porch, but it was still hitting the ground, so that's -30ish or less... :shrug:
But throw a bucket of water in the air, it don't hit the ground.
Done that a couple of times, really cool effect. Fun to blow peoples' and especially kids' minds with.
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: jmyrlefuller on December 22, 2022, 05:10:16 pm
Are you close by @jmyrlefuller ? (I don't remember, sigh)
Winter storm prep: National Weather Service says 'once-in-a-generation' storm approaching Buffalo region
The National Weather Service (NWS) is describing the winter storm bearing down on Buffalo and western New York ahead of Christmas as a "once-in-a-generation" event.
The declaration comes as much of the Great Lakes region is under winter storm watches and warnings during one of the busiest travel periods of the year.
"This once-in-a-generation storm will produce high winds east of Lake Ontario Thursday night into Friday morning, then over a larger coverage of our region Friday into Saturday," the NWS’ Buffalo office said Wednesday.
"Winds could gust over 65 mph, leading to at least scattered power outages, if not widespread outages," it added...........
Yes, but this should once again stay north of the Fuller homesteads for the most part. We'll get wind, cold and a few inches of white stuff but this will be even further north than the last storm as far as snowfall impacts.
They're comparing this to Blizzard of 77 conditions—but the lake was frozen for that event, so I'm not sure how much it compares.
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: Gefn on December 22, 2022, 06:22:32 pm
Yes, but this should once again stay north of the Fuller homesteads for the most part. We'll get wind, cold and a few inches of white stuff but this will be even further north than the last storm as far as snowfall impacts.
They're comparing this to Blizzard of 77 conditions—but the lake was frozen for that event, so I'm not sure how much it compares.
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: Sighlass on December 23, 2022, 01:07:59 am
Temp is starting to drop here... so it begins...
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: mystery-ak on December 23, 2022, 01:28:20 am
For all the hype by our local weather stations..we got very little snow....but the temp is now -5 wind chill -29 with strong winds gusting to 40-50 mph..it's suppose to stay like this until Sat....
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: libertybele on December 23, 2022, 01:35:25 am
For all the hype by our local weather stations..we got very little snow....but the temp is now -5 wind chill -29 with strong winds gusting to 40-50 mph..it's suppose to stay like this until Sat....
No snow is a good thing, the wind chill is pretty darn cold especially with those wind gusts .... brrr
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: libertybele on December 23, 2022, 01:48:40 am
It was a weird day here, it warmed up in the 50s, felt like Spring after the cold we had last few days. Get the feeling the rug is gonna be pulled out from under us soon. Keep safe gang, 5 minutes of some of those windchills is all it takes unless you got Roamer genes.
:silly:
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: Hoodat on December 23, 2022, 03:50:07 am
Temp has dropped 24 degrees in the last hour.
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: Smokin Joe on December 23, 2022, 06:15:20 am
-27 this morning. Who knows with wind chill :shrug:
It's... crisp. happy77
Temps here in the teens and twenties below zero, with wind chills between -40 and -50 for the last few days. I haven't bothered to shovel the last 3 inches of snow that came blowing in. I really hate it when the ice in my moustache freezes to my beard...
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: roamer_1 on December 23, 2022, 08:06:20 am
Temps here in the teens and twenties below zero, with wind chills between -40 and -50 for the last few days. I haven't bothered to shovel the last 3 inches of snow that came blowing in. I really hate it when the ice in my moustache freezes to my beard...
We're staying above -20 tonight... and my truck is plowed out... and my water is back on... Lost something electrical on the pump which blew the breaker, which means the heat quit, and it all froze up solid... No biggie to fix, I guess, but it took all day to loosen up the pipes down there.
So everything is peachy. Tomorrow is single digits, the next day teens, heading toward 40s early in the week... I think I'll try and get a tan when that comes around. happy77
First thaw of the year.
And I hate it when my mustache and beard stick to my parka. Stupid fake fur. Trying to get at a coyote to fix that... But meh - I am looking for a new arctic parka. One that goes half way to my knees... and is trimmed in real fur.
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: Smokin Joe on December 23, 2022, 08:44:34 am
We're staying above -20 tonight... and my truck is plowed out... and my water is back on... Lost something electrical on the pump which blew the breaker, which means the heat quit, and it all froze up solid... No biggie to fix, I guess, but it took all day to loosen up the pipes down there.
So everything is peachy. Tomorrow is single digits, the next day teens, heading toward 40s early in the week... I think I'll try and get a tan when that comes around. happy77
First thaw of the year.
And I hate it when my mustache and beard stick to my parka. Stupid fake fur. Trying to get at a coyote to fix that... But meh - I am looking for a new arctic parka. One that goes half way to my knees... and is trimmed in real fur.
I just wear an old M-65 with the liner, something warm for the hands, and a beanie (watch cap). If it gets cold out I'll dig out my old army cold weather parka with the coyote fur ruff, but we aren't there yet. I wish I hadn't lost my old Army Air Force Flight pants, like the waist gunners wore, but those are long gong, lost in a move. I do have some insulated FR bibs, from a frac crew hand via the pawnshop for $100, but they're heavy and cumbersome and I keep them in the vehicle as survival gear, mostly but will wear them if the weather requires and/or I'm out on site. Otherwise, it's a pair of thinsulate bibs I got from Sportsman's Guide years ago, and they do just fine.
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: Sighlass on December 23, 2022, 09:12:24 am
Rain moved out with last 2 hours being mixed with sleet, then the stringy bands of snow moved in with the wind. It could snow a week like this and never add up to anything, but the funny thing was just how fast the roads froze and let the snow blow across it. In the 20s now, but expect single digits by morning, just a day ago it was nearly 60 degrees. My cousin has had fun covering his strawberry fields w/plastic, hardy plants (teens) but not single digit hardy. Can't understand the cold some of yall endure, the dog has her heat lamp going on the porch (always 20-30 degrees warmer than outside), but may take her inside (and she ain't a good inside potty-trained dog). Cats already decided to stay inside, usually let them roam at night. Left the water dripping in the wash room sink to keep pipes from freezing, also air-tighten the sub-floor vents. Carried a few buckets of heater coals to simmer in the shed to keep it above freezing (have an electric heater out there, but don't like to run it).
Stay safe gang.
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: roamer_1 on December 23, 2022, 09:27:43 am
I just wear an old M-65 with the liner, something warm for the hands, and a beanie (watch cap). If it gets cold out I'll dig out my old army cold weather parka with the coyote fur ruff, but we aren't there yet. I wish I hadn't lost my old Army Air Force Flight pants, like the waist gunners wore, but those are long gong, lost in a move. I do have some insulated FR bibs, from a frac crew hand via the pawnshop for $100, but they're heavy and cumbersome and I keep them in the vehicle as survival gear, mostly but will wear them if the weather requires and/or I'm out on site. Otherwise, it's a pair of thinsulate bibs I got from Sportsman's Guide years ago, and they do just fine.
Bibs... I usually just wear insulated carhartts, and in intermediate cold, a big ol saggy set of woolies over em... but killer cold is an oversized set of carhartts... well walls, them are really, that I have carefully turned into tin pants, not to soak the insulation, with woolies inside, and regular pants and long johns and etc...
I have had those tins about half my life. they are pretty well shot now, but I can't get any that big anymore... Thinking pretty hard about hiring a seamstress. Them tins are hard to beat. They don't breath, but they don't get wet at all. And with cotton for wicking and all that wool inside em... well, it don't matter if they do.
I learned my lesson with parkas. This last one was always too short... Comes about half way down my butt... Plenty of room for layering, But between the short length and the imitation fur in the ruff... well... not right.
I will probably order one down from Alaska. My buddy up there has an Inuit wife that has always made my mukluks. I will probably have her make me a parka too... The real thing - custom fit - though that is going to cost a pretty penny.
And I know it is too much for working in yet... But as gimped up as I am, moving much is hard to do... so I get cold a whole lot quicker.
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: mountaineer on December 23, 2022, 12:31:29 pm
Front porch thermometer says 4 degrees. Wind is howling and there's about 1" of icy snow on the ground. I keep hearing thumps but can't tell what's been blown over.
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: Polly Ticks on December 23, 2022, 01:34:38 pm
-7/-30 here this morning, but less snow than they thought might hit. Haven't attempted to drive anywhere to see how much ice is under it.
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: DCPatriot on December 23, 2022, 02:04:02 pm
-7/-30 here this morning, but less snow than they thought might hit. Haven't attempted to drive anywhere to see how much ice is under it.
Look at the Accuweather channel radar for the East/Northeast..
Looks like the rain of the last several hours is going to 'stall' ...the subfreezing temperatures are goi,g to turn it into sleet and snow...or at the very least, an ice rink for public roads.
IOW..."We're all gonna DIE!!!"
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: Free Vulcan on December 23, 2022, 02:09:53 pm
We're staying above -20 tonight... and my truck is plowed out... and my water is back on... Lost something electrical on the pump which blew the breaker, which means the heat quit, and it all froze up solid...
And I hate it when my mustache and beard stick to my parka. Stupid fake fur. Trying to get at a coyote to fix that... But meh - I am looking for a new arctic parka. One that goes half way to my knees... and is trimmed in real fur.
We got down to -12 last night. I know, lightweights. :drunk:
Wasn't alot of snow though, should belch the ground up really nice.
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: Polly Ticks on December 23, 2022, 02:10:40 pm
My dachshund certainly thought so when I let him out to do his business this morning. His entire under-carriage was in the snow drifts when he tried to make his way down the deck steps to the yard.
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: Gefn on December 23, 2022, 02:42:29 pm
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: Bigun on December 23, 2022, 02:47:53 pm
I woke up to 20mph winds and a balmy 11 deg this morning down here in Texas for God's sake! Somebody close that damned gate!
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: mystery-ak on December 23, 2022, 03:00:03 pm
-8 degrees here -32 wind chill..... :terror:
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: mountaineer on December 23, 2022, 03:02:06 pm
I was awakened at 2:55 a.m. by the garbage truck picking up our neighbors' trash (we use a different service; theirs usually comes around 6 a.m. on Fridays). Clearly, they wanted to get it picked up before the front hit, which it did at 4:15 a.m. The neighbors' trash cans now are nowhere to be seen. Those 40 mph gusts have sent them to places unknown.
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: DefiantMassRINO on December 23, 2022, 03:45:47 pm
It's a rainy, balmy 56 degrees with slight breezes from the south east (away from the coast).
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: roamer_1 on December 23, 2022, 04:59:12 pm
Hey. You'll not get that from me. Anything below zero is dangerous, and anything under negative ten is plenty rough enough...
I went out to get the mail and warm the car a bit. It was already below zero and the wind was brutal. I've got good surplus gear for going out in the cold and I was frozen in very short order.
This is one of those rare years where I wasn't working during a cold snap. So nice not to have to go be out during all the crap.
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: DefiantMassRINO on December 23, 2022, 06:34:26 pm
This is what I wore when I was younger to go sledding in -50F wind chills:
... it's all about wearing multiple layers of clothing, no exposed skin, and plenty of hot cocoa (made with milk, not water - marshmallows optional).
When I was a kid, I looked much the same. We bundled up and layered clothing underneath our snowsuits. Double mittens and double socks underneath our boots. We would build snow forts and have snowball fights, and we would go sledding and tobogganing.
I bundled up my kids the same way when we lived up north, we would build snowmen and by that time they had the snow saucers. Before we moved to FL we had one last 'snow celebration' with lots of sledding and hot cocoa -- definitely milk and not the instant stuff.
I've been down here for 30 years and I do not miss the cold. However, a fresh powder snow glistening with the sun shining on it is truly beautiful.
It's supposed to dip down into the 30's for the next several days -- right in time for Christmas. That will be enough cold for me.
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: Gefn on December 23, 2022, 07:40:47 pm
It’s snowing here, flurries, but I’ll take it
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: libertybele on December 23, 2022, 07:47:33 pm
I woke up to 20mph winds and a balmy 11 deg this morning down here in Texas for God's sake! Somebody close that damned gate!
Same here @Bigun . A little better now but not enough to make me un-cranky, lol.
I have been sitting here this afternoon fantasizing about putting a dome, like the stadiums, over my house and keeping it a balmy 75 to 80 degrees year round. :laugh: That's the first thing I'm gonna do as soon as I become a multi-billionaire.
Until that happens, I guess I'll just wait until next week when things get back to normal. There is no way I could live where this is a months long event. It's just too hard on my bones.
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: berdie on December 23, 2022, 08:48:24 pm
When I was a kid, I looked much the same. We bundled up and layered clothing underneath our snowsuits. Double mittens and double socks underneath our boots. We would build snow forts and have snowball fights, and we would go sledding and tobogganing.
I bundled up my kids the same way when we lived up north, we would build snowmen and by that time they had the snow saucers. Before we moved to FL we had one last 'snow celebration' with lots of sledding and hot cocoa -- definitely milk and not the instant stuff.
I've been down here for 30 years and I do not miss the cold. However, a fresh powder snow glistening with the sun shining on it is truly beautiful.
It's supposed to dip down into the 30's for the next several days -- right in time for Christmas. That will be enough cold for me.
Same here. When I was a kid, my Dad got ants in his britches and we moved for a while to Chicago...and then northwest Indiana. That really was cold and snowy. There are a lot of fun activities for that kind of weather.
But I'm sure glad we came home. :laugh:
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: Bigun on December 23, 2022, 09:15:54 pm
Same here @Bigun . A little better now but not enough to make me un-cranky, lol.
I have been sitting here this afternoon fantasizing about putting a dome, like the stadiums, over my house and keeping it a balmy 75 to 80 degrees year round. :laugh: That's the first thing I'm gonna do as soon as I become a multi-billionaire.
Until that happens, I guess I'll just wait until next week when things get back to normal. There is no way I could live where this is a months long event. It's just too hard on my bones.
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: Sighlass on December 23, 2022, 09:55:51 pm
Ok, freaking 12 degrees here and still some sun light... We may see zero tonight (in freaking Alabama).... Talking about Rolling blackouts to conserve electricity... a first for us (got a mostly done nuclear plant and they closed down the coal plant .... Uggg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltcu5Cx8A7I
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: libertybele on December 23, 2022, 10:00:30 pm
Our temps are still dropping. Right now it's 65 with 15 mph wind -- tonight we're supposed to see a low of 37. Christmas Eve and Christmas day we will have a low of 36 and a high of 52. Just too darn cold for SWFL!
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: jmyrlefuller on December 23, 2022, 10:09:40 pm
We should be okay using this thread. These weather events are all tied together. (Unlike the mostly discrete hurricanes, hence why you will see meteorologists up in arms when The Weather Channel tries to give names to winter storms.)
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: Gefn on December 23, 2022, 10:14:04 pm
US bomb cyclone - live updates: State of emergency in New York; airport runways close; millions without power
I went out to get the mail and warm the car a bit. It was already below zero and the wind was brutal. I've got good surplus gear for going out in the cold and I was frozen in very short order.
This is one of those rare years where I wasn't working during a cold snap. So nice not to have to go be out during all the crap.
As I get older, and considerably less capable, going 'out in it' has become more optional... When the pump went out yesterday, it was the neighbor and my kid that went down in there... No one even asked me... Everybody knows my fat ass don't bend enough to get down in that hole.
Now, I could have had the courtesy to stand out there with em - there's a kinda equal-opportunity-misery clause on your MAN card - It's kinda required to gather around the problem - I don't know why - Maybe as a wind-break or something...
But everybody knows I am on my stick right now, and it's tough for me to navigate snow... So it turns out no-fault, no-foul, and all I really did the whole time was stick my head out the back door and say "Y'all need more coffee?" or some such thing.
And the part that tells the tale... I'm alright with that. happy77
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: roamer_1 on December 23, 2022, 10:37:35 pm
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: roamer_1 on December 24, 2022, 12:24:26 am
For all y'all that ain't used to this and feel the need to keep your faucets cracked to keep your water from freezing...
You can tie a string just right on your faucet to let the water follow the string, or similarly, prop up something from the bowl (like a pencil or kitchen implement) to wedge in the faucet... Either way, the water will chase down to the bowl and you won't have to listen to it tapping all the time... Which can drive you flat nuts.
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: Polly Ticks on December 24, 2022, 01:21:37 am
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: mystery-ak on December 24, 2022, 02:14:18 am
December 23, 2022 8:24pm EST Ohio 46-car pileup leaves at least 3 dead in winter storm 'whiteout' crash Visibility is low as whiteout conditions persist, authorities warn. By Jeff Zymeri | Fox News
At least 46 cars were involved in a massive pileup on the Ohio Turnpike Friday afternoon, Ohio State Highway Patrol (OSHP) confirmed. Troopers on the scene reported three fatalities and multiple injuries in the Sandusky County crash.
December 23, 2022 8:24pm EST Ohio 46-car pileup leaves at least 3 dead in winter storm 'whiteout' crash Visibility is low as whiteout conditions persist, authorities warn.
At least 46 cars were involved in a massive pileup on the Ohio Turnpike Friday afternoon, Ohio State Highway Patrol (OSHP) confirmed. Troopers on the scene reported three fatalities and multiple injuries in the Sandusky County crash.
Always wondered what I would do in one of those pileups, I guess if I could I would run away (if possible) far enough until the pile-up got backed up enough to not hit my car/truck again. There were trucks on top of cars so if you survive the initial hit you may not survive the 18 wheeler/flying trucks about to occur.
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Temp is about 6 degrees now, not sure if it will make the zero mark tonight or not... Noticed some central Texas folks are getting a surprise snow tonight that wasn't forecast. Looked like it was intensifying last few rounds, but probable not enough to do any damage.
Edit: Snow in Texas waned in later hours.
Edit 2: Just hit negative 1 degrees locally, coldest I have seen before Christmas that I can remember. At full blast, keeping the house in the mid 60s is gonna be the best I can muster out of the wood heater, plenty warm enough to Thank the Lord. Prayers for those that lost their lives in the car wreck.... Good night.
Edit 3: Rolling Blackouts, ours lasted about an hour this morning around 5:30 AM... That really hurt because without the fans moving the heat off the fireplace , we dropped 5 degree inside fast (got down to 60 degrees inside)... Dog got cold without her heat lamp before we realized it.
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: DCPatriot on December 24, 2022, 06:26:58 pm
It's a good thing they call it "Climate Change" now and not "Global Warming", huh? /s
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: mystery-ak on December 24, 2022, 06:31:50 pm
Hey we're up to 11 degrees with the sun out....but with the wind it feels like -5
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 24, 2022, 07:04:40 pm
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: Gefn on December 24, 2022, 08:03:54 pm
Power companies near me are warning consumers to stop using so much electricity
Warning of rolling blackouts
I’ve never heard of this in winter
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: mystery-ak on December 24, 2022, 10:12:08 pm
December 24, 2022 3:36pm EST Seattle winter weather creates dangerous driving conditions, video shows car sliding down street Seattle was hit with a mix of winter weather
December 24, 2022 3:36pm EST Seattle winter weather creates dangerous driving conditions, video shows car sliding down street Seattle was hit with a mix of winter weather
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Our niece lives in Bremerton, she told my wife she had to shovel a path out to empty the trash but I see that now their temps are in the high 40's low 50's with rain so I guess for no at least the ice will be gone.
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: libertybele on December 24, 2022, 11:00:02 pm
Our niece lives in Bremerton, she told my wife she had to shovel a path out to empty the trash but I see that now their temps are in the high 40's low 50's with rain so I guess for no at least the ice will be gone.
We never reached 50 today and Christmas Day we'll be a bit colder, then we will very slowly warm up on Monday but not by much. With most of the rest of the country covered in snow and temps below zero, I feel fortunate.
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: cato potatoe on December 25, 2022, 11:45:02 pm
It almost made it down to freezing this AM, with a nasty breeze. I don’t miss this one bit … no idea how people deal with it for months.
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: roamer_1 on December 25, 2022, 11:58:02 pm
Our niece lives in Bremerton, she told my wife she had to shovel a path out to empty the trash but I see that now their temps are in the high 40's low 50's with rain so I guess for no at least the ice will be gone.
Yeah... We're past the big freeze here too... It's somewhere around 30 and switching up between rain, freezing rain, and snow. The roof has been unloading all day.
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on December 26, 2022, 12:31:47 am
It actually hasn't gone above 20 since 2 days ago. Big freeze here. Not real fun. Got a light coating of snow on the ground. Christmassy I guess.
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: Free Vulcan on December 26, 2022, 12:34:12 am
Forecast now says 62 degrees Thursday. Too warm really for this time of year.
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: mountaineer on December 26, 2022, 12:45:27 am
Below 10 degrees the last 3 days, but we'll be on the golf course one week from today. Crazy weather.
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: libertybele on December 26, 2022, 12:57:19 am
46 for the low tonight and tomorrow we should reach 60. Tuesday low of 48 and high of 69. We are slowly warming back up, temperatures will be warm for a little bit and dip back down. In looking at the long range forecast we have several months of cooler weather off and on ahead of us.
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: DB on December 26, 2022, 02:25:29 am
It was 72 for the high here today I believe.
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: mystery-ak on December 26, 2022, 02:29:16 pm
Deadly U.S. Winter Storm Maintains Its Icy Grip, Claims at Least 34 Lives
Millions of Americans might have been dreaming of a white Christmas, but surely nothing like this. The brutal winter storm that has blanketed much of the U.S. in a coating of snow and ice will continue into the week as travelers see cancelled flights and dangerous roads combining to make their holiday travels a misery.
Temps climb above freezing here in Middle Tennessee.
Odd because it didn't here in N.E Bama... it stayed below freezing and even snowed some (<inch). We have not been above freezing now for over 3 days.
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: jmyrlefuller on December 28, 2022, 02:11:31 am
If you want political incompetence at its worst, you go on Twitter and look up Mark Poloncarz. He's the county executive of Erie County, NY (including Buffalo), a hardcore partisan Democrat. He responded to the storm—a few hours too late, since it was already after morning drive and the flash freeze was already well underway when he did this—by imposing lockdowns even more draconian than the coronavirus ones, threatening anyone who left their house with criminal charges, calling in "military police" to issue tickets instead of actually provide relief, calling off the snowplows so that first responders couldn't reach emergencies, and lecturing the residents of the county for daring to call 911 during emergencies. Including over parts of the county that were barely touched.
Buffalo has historically done pretty well in handling bad snowstorms. But they completely botched it this time around. Instead of the City of Good Neighbors, it turned into victim blaming, looting and dozens dead. And the vast majority of that comes from the absolutely corrupt, incompetent, and megalomaniacal "leadership" provided by the government's emergency response team. They've really taken Reagan's adage about "I'm from the government and I'm here to help" being the nine scariest words in the English language and proven it in spades.
Poloncarz is up for re-election in 2023. It's a swing county as far as the executive goes (those who are elected have typically been close to the center politically, either conservative Democrats like Dennis Gorski or liberal Republicans like Joel Giambra) so Poloncarz could very well lose his job.
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: Free Vulcan on December 28, 2022, 02:42:18 am
If you want political incompetence at its worst, you go on Twitter and look up Mark Poloncarz. He's the county executive of Erie County, NY (including Buffalo), a hardcore partisan Democrat. He responded to the storm—a few hours too late, since it was already after morning drive and the flash freeze was already well underway when he did this—by imposing lockdowns even more draconian than the coronavirus ones, threatening anyone who left their house with criminal charges, calling in "military police" to issue tickets instead of actually provide relief, calling off the snowplows so that first responders couldn't reach emergencies, and lecturing the residents of the county for daring to call 911 during emergencies. Including over parts of the county that were barely touched.
Buffalo has historically done pretty well in handling bad snowstorms. But they completely botched it this time around. Instead of the City of Good Neighbors, it turned into victim blaming, looting and dozens dead. And the vast majority of that comes from the absolutely corrupt, incompetent, and megalomaniacal "leadership" provided by the government's emergency response team. They've really taken Reagan's adage about "I'm from the government and I'm here to help" being the nine scariest words in the English language and proven it in spades.
Poloncarz is up for re-election in 2023. It's a swing county as far as the executive goes (those who are elected have typically been close to the center politically, either conservative Democrats like Dennis Gorski or liberal Republicans like Joel Giambra) so Poloncarz could very well lose his job.
I've noticed that since this model was developed in the blue states for COVID, it seems like it's being test cased for other events in what's becoming a very disturbing pattern.
You might give a heads up to one or more of the right wing news sites about what's going on.
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: mystery-ak on December 28, 2022, 02:45:24 am
NY woman who died after blizzard trapped her in her car for 18 hours sent terrifying final video to family December 27, 2022 | Terresa Monroe-Hamilton
As a once-in-a-lifetime blizzard descended on Buffalo, New York, a young woman named Anndel Taylor tried to make it home after work only to get stranded in her car for 18 hours, sending a final heartbreaking video home to her loved ones before she died.
Taylor, 22, died over the weekend after heading home on Friday afternoon, getting stuck with 50 inches of snow surrounding her vehicle. She is one of at least 28 who has perished in the snowstorm, devastating New York’s second-largest city according to the Associated Press.
The video came from inside her car the day before she was discovered dead from what her mother, Wanda Brown Steele, claimed was carbon monoxide poisoning, rather than hypothermia. It shows her trapped in the car as the wind howled outside after midnight on Saturday. She had called 911 and was waiting for first responders to come.
Her friends and family who saw the video begged for someone to help her because they were unable to get to her. Taylor wasn’t found until Saturday afternoon. She had moved back to Buffalo to take care of her father.
NY woman who died after blizzard trapped her in her car for 18 hours sent terrifying final video to family
This kind of thing just pisses me off... What a waste. It breaks my heart.
Had she the gear onboard to preserve her... had she known to keep the exhaust clear, and crack the windows now and then... Had she known how to build a fire and set a shelter... This sort of thing should not happen, or happen exceedingly rarely.
Don't anybody in NY own a damn snow machine?
Why ain't they (folks with snow machines) organized and ready, search and rescue style, to carry those in trouble to local firehouses and at least preserve life? Why not at least carrying supplies in to those stranded... gas and food to keep them running and warm? Setting forward bases with tents and heat, and supplying those bases till evac becomes possible?
This is unconscionable loss to me.
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: Free Vulcan on December 28, 2022, 03:02:28 am
This kind of thing just pisses me off... What a waste. It breaks my heart.
Had she the gear onboard to preserve her... had she known to keep the exhaust clear, and crack the windows now and then... Had she known how to build a fire and set a shelter... This sort of thing should not happen, or happen exceedingly rarely.
Don't anybody in NY own a damn snow machine?
Why ain't they (folks with snow machines) organized and ready, search and rescue style, to carry those in trouble to local firehouses and at least preserve life? Why not at least carrying supplies in to those stranded... gas and food to keep them running and warm? Setting forward bases with tents and heat, and supplying those bases till evac becomes possible?
This is unconscionable loss to me.
Totally agree. A young life snuffed out for no good reason.
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on December 28, 2022, 03:36:23 am
Probably the snow covered up her tailpipe, it happens in Boston in big storms a lot.
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: DCPatriot on December 28, 2022, 06:11:42 am
Probably the snow covered up her tailpipe, it happens in Boston in big storms a lot.
Imagine...a high school which teaches kids not only geometry, but how to survive in various emergency situations.
That said...my brother in South Buffalo said he couldn't see the street from his living room for over 24 hours...a distance of 90 feet. Complete whiteout.
How the hell do you build a shelter and fire in that?
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: catfish1957 on December 28, 2022, 06:23:02 am
Looting during a national weather disaster like hurricanes gets a little bit different response here than what we are seeing in NY.
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: roamer_1 on December 28, 2022, 07:05:19 am
Imagine...a high school which teaches kids not only geometry, but how to survive in various emergency situations.
That said...my brother in South Buffalo said he couldn't see the street from his living room for over 24 hours...a distance of 90 feet. Complete whiteout.
Most people don't understand the concept of blizzards and whiteout. We don't even get them here that much anymore.
Great grandma said back in the late 1800's as a kid it snowed so much and so hard, that to feed the animals they'd tie a rope from the house to the barn, then tie another rope around you and hook on. She said every blizzard someone would die 20ft from their house because they got lost in the blinding, blowing snow and froze.
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: roamer_1 on December 28, 2022, 03:12:59 pm
Most people don't understand the concept of blizzards and whiteout. We don't even get them here that much anymore.
Great grandma said back in the late 1800's as a kid it snowed so much and so hard, that to feed the animals they'd tie a rope from the house to the barn, then tie another rope around you and hook on. She said every blizzard someone would die 20ft from their house because they got lost in the blinding, blowing snow and froze.
It's coming back around again... No surprise. It's been a while... but I am old enough to remember that weather being common here.
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 28, 2022, 03:53:20 pm
Most people don't understand the concept of blizzards and whiteout. We don't even get them here that much anymore.
Great grandma said back in the late 1800's as a kid it snowed so much and so hard, that to feed the animals they'd tie a rope from the house to the barn, then tie another rope around you and hook on. She said every blizzard someone would die 20ft from their house because they got lost in the blinding, blowing snow and froze.
Exactly...
...And the snow pelting your skin in that wind...you just want to sit and get your wits about you.
Have to figure @roamer_1 wasn't 'seeing' our idea of a whiteout.
Feel free to expound how...and btw,.,no smirking here.
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: roamer_1 on December 28, 2022, 04:30:32 pm
...And the snow pelting your skin in that wind...you just want to sit and get your wits about you.
Have to figure @roamer_1 wasn't 'seeing' our idea of a whiteout.
Feel free to expound how...and btw,.,no smirking here.
I have been caught above the tree line in blowing snow so thick you can't see ten feet, @DCPatriot ... I know ALL about blizzards.
And I don't mean to be dismissive. It's just that the remedy is almost always the same, and not that hard... The forest is down hill. And the forest is where the avalanches ain't. Get to the forest and you've increased your chances by a long way.
After that, it ain't THAT the wind is blowin. It's WHERE the wind is blowin' (to bastardize a Ron white quote)... You simply have to go where the wind ain't... And that's in the lee of something.
That, an axe, a bow saw, a knife, and a ferro rod... a good supply of wood to build a long fire, a pile of boughs, a 10x10 tarp, a 6x16 sheet of plastic, and I don't care how cold it is outside. With that much, in an hour or so, I will be inside, out of the weather, and in 80 degree heat.
Still not great, because you need somewhere to hang your gear and dry it out, but it'll do as long as the wood for the fire holds out.
been there many times. A super shelter (as I described) leads to a colorado leanto, which brings the fire inside, which leads to dry gear and time to make snow shoes if you need em... and you can walk out from there.
A 'dead man's grave' shelter or a quihzhee work just as well (but take a while to build and require deep snow), and any of the above shelters will leave you in considerable comfort in a pinch. And the cold won't matter if you can get warm.
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: roamer_1 on December 28, 2022, 04:34:20 pm
And btw... YES. that gear is always on me if I am in the woods, and all of it is always in my pickup happy77
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: catfish1957 on December 28, 2022, 04:42:21 pm
And btw... YES. that gear is always on me if I am in the woods, and all of it is always in my pickup happy77
Not bragging, but between beng a boy scout as kid, knowing survival skills, and possessing a little common sense.......
I doubt you will ever find hypothermia or freezing to death ever as a "cause of death" on my death certificate.
Like I mentioned earlier on the thread, our ancestors 150+ years ago, dealt with this on a routine basis, and seem to be fine. Has society changed that much in 150 years that we are helpless in self-survival situations?
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: GtHawk on December 28, 2022, 04:56:55 pm
Not bragging, but between beng a boy scout as kid, knowing survival skills, and possessing a little common sense.......
I doubt you will ever find hypothermia or freezing to death ever as a "cause of death" on my death certificate.
I am a little more humble than that... I know it's a factor, and sometimes you get caught out and can't make do. A busted leg for example... I could probably make do around that in the spring or summer, but a busted leg, with a blizzard? Probably gonna die. Just gathering the wood you would need to survive it would be impossible. Barring God sending you a haystack to crawl into, the chips are likely down and your number is likely up. Jussayin. I can defy these mountains, but I am under no illusions. And I am alright with that.
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Like I mentioned earlier on the thread, our ancestors 150+ years ago, dealt with this on a routine basis, and seem to be fine. Has society changed that much in 150 years that we are helpless in self-survival situations?
It's in the doing of it I would guess. It's in the day to day of living with the land... And most folks don't.
I reckon it to folks in the South suddenly faced with this kind of weather... I leave em a lot of room when it comes to a mighty blizzard... It really ain't in their ken. I get that.
But the heat - Most folks I know down south run from house to car to stay in the air conditioning... and if the power were to go out they'd be just as hard up as me in that heat. But, hard as it is to reckon now, all y'all's grand folks did without air conditioning. Because it wasn't there that little bit ago.
That part is on y'all. That's a part of your landscape, and not being able to live in it is a sure sign of a weaker sort of folks. Sooner or later the power fails. Sooner or later you get caught out. And everybody everywhere should be able to deal with nature that is all around us all.
For me it goes without saying. If you hunt and trap the north, you'd better know how to live with deep snow and dire cold... Even if you do go home to a nice warm cabin most of the time.
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: catfish1957 on December 28, 2022, 05:09:23 pm
I am a little more humble than that... I know it's a factor, and sometimes you get caught out and can't make do. A busted leg for example... I could probably make do around that in the spring or summer, but a busted leg, with a blizzard? Probably gonna die. Just gathering the wood you would need to survive it would be impossible. Barring God sending you a haystack to crawl into, the chips are likely down and your number is likely up. Jussayin. I can defy these mountains, but I am under no illusions. And I am alright with that.
Of course, where I live has never been below zero temp. I can be a little more bold in my claim. Put me in your parts? I'd stock up and hibernate between November and April, not wanting to take the risk.
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: mystery-ak on December 28, 2022, 05:15:49 pm
December 28, 2022 11:35am EST Buffalo area blizzard death toll rises to 34, National Guard to go door to door looking for bodies Erie County authorities fearful that more dead bodies may be found
By Pilar Arias | Fox News
The National Guard will be going door to door doing wellness checks across Erie County, New York neighborhoods that lost power during the winter storm, County Executive Mark C. Poloncarz said during a Wednesday morning news conference.
The mission will take place over the next 48 hours, Poloncarz said alongside other county authorities. Authorities are fearful there are individuals that may have perished that have not been found yet.
There are less than 1,000 remaining power outages in the county. Those who have been without power for 72 hours or more can file a claim for utility reimbursement for spoiled food and prescriptions.
The latest death toll in the county is 34, with three people unidentified.
"If you have a loved one that you know is missing, please contact your local police department," Poloncarz said of the two John Does and one Jane Doe.
The Buffalo Police Department launched an anti-looting unit that has already made eight arrests in the wake of a deadly winter storm that buried the city in snow over Christmas weekend.
more https://www.foxnews.com/us/buffalo-area-blizzard-death-toll-rises-34-national-guard-door-to-door-looking-bodies
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: roamer_1 on December 28, 2022, 05:22:20 pm
Of course, where I live has never been below zero temp. I can be a little more bold in my claim. Put me in your parts? I'd stock up and hibernate between November and April, not wanting to take the risk.
And mostly we do... Except that we can't. Often winter is the best access to things. Chaga for instance... Chaga is a fungus that grows on birch trees that makes for a mighty fine tea. It's something you go for in the depth of winter, because you take it when the tree is dormant, and winter's snow pack gets you 4-10 ft higher on the tree (where the chaga tends to be).
Same for hunting camp. Same for ice fishing. Often, same for getting wood (which is often easier to get to and drag out with snow on the ground).
Try as you might... you think you are gonna spend the winter in front of a fire or out in the shop... Both nice and cozy places... but somehow, it never works out that way.
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: Bigun on December 28, 2022, 07:00:29 pm
I am a little more humble than that... I know it's a factor, and sometimes you get caught out and can't make do. A busted leg for example... I could probably make do around that in the spring or summer, but a busted leg, with a blizzard? Probably gonna die. Just gathering the wood you would need to survive it would be impossible. Barring God sending you a haystack to crawl into, the chips are likely down and your number is likely up. Jussayin. I can defy these mountains, but I am under no illusions. And I am alright with that.
It's in the doing of it I would guess. It's in the day to day of living with the land... And most folks don't.
I reckon it to folks in the South suddenly faced with this kind of weather... I leave em a lot of room when it comes to a mighty blizzard... It really ain't in their ken. I get that.
But the heat - Most folks I know down south run from house to car to stay in the air conditioning... and if the power were to go out they'd be just as hard up as me in that heat. But, hard as it is to reckon now, all y'all's grand folks did without air conditioning. Because it wasn't there that little bit ago.
That part is on y'all. That's a part of your landscape, and not being able to live in it is a sure sign of a weaker sort of folks. Sooner or later the power fails. Sooner or later you get caught out. And everybody everywhere should be able to deal with nature that is all around us all.
For me it goes without saying. If you hunt and trap the north, you'd better know how to live with deep snow and dire cold... Even if you do go home to a nice warm cabin most of the time.
In my neck of the woods there were VERY few individual homes with AC when I was growing up. My Father and mother got it in a new house they built after I left home and that new home was NOT constructed the same way the old ones were (low ceilings, little to no thought given to air flow, etc.)
My Grandfather's house was a Texas style dog trot with 10' ceilings and a 10' wide hallway running right down the middle (The doors on both ends only opened to 6' but the passageway itself was 10' wide) On one side of the hallway were three bedrooms and a pantry (root cellar) no heat in any of those rooms. On the other side was the living room (Big potbellied stove there) dining room, and kitchen. In summer, those hallway doors were always wide open, 24/7 and I don't ever remember being hot in that house. Slept on top of the bed or out on the porch. The beds were all feather beds so staying warm in winter was easy. Close off the hallway and jump in bed with a quilt or two.
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: Free Vulcan on December 28, 2022, 07:22:44 pm
In my neck of the woods there were VERY few individual homes with AC when I was growing up. My Father and mother got it in a new house they built after I left home and that new home was NOT constructed the same way the old ones were (low ceilings, little to no thought given to air flow, etc.)
My Grandfather's house was a Texas style dog trot with 10' ceilings and a 10' wide hallway running right down the middle (The doors on both ends only opened to 6' but the passageway itself was 10' wide) On one side of the hallway were three bedrooms and a pantry (root cellar) no heat in any of those rooms. On the other side was the living room (Big potbellied stove there) dining room, and kitchen. In summer, those hallway doors were always wide open, 24/7 and I don't ever remember being hot in that house. Slept on top of the bed or out on the porch. The beds were all feather beds so staying warm in winter was easy. Close off the hallway and jump in bed with a quilt or two.
Always loved those old houses growing up that used alot of the slick tricks in their design and placing. We're always a nice comfortable temp and breezy in the summer, with no A/C or not used much.
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: Polly Ticks on December 28, 2022, 08:46:31 pm
It's 52 degrees today - a major heat wave. Heat deaths are far and away the leading cause of weather-related deaths, but I'm probably not going to worry quite yet.
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: berdie on December 28, 2022, 10:03:25 pm
Always loved those old houses growing up that used alot of the slick tricks in their design and placing. We're always a nice comfortable temp and breezy in the summer, with no A/C or not used much.
We always had an attic fan and open windows. Plenty cool in the summer.
Of course those were different times. Today, a family would have to have members taking guard duty to insure the idgets didn't climb in the windows to kill ya.
Frankly, I don't use my central air too much, fans work as long as you don't mind the hurricane effect. :laugh: I know a couple of people around that don't have central a/c or window units.
I'll take that a step further...I don't use central heat as a rule. Tight fisted me...propane is like gold. But the fireplace, wood burning stove and space heaters keep this small place cozy. My friend gave me some blankets a couple of years ago. I don't know what these things are made of, but I almost get to hot when I use them.
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: roamer_1 on December 28, 2022, 11:07:06 pm
In my neck of the woods there were VERY few individual homes with AC when I was growing up. My Father and mother got it in a new house they built after I left home and that new home was NOT constructed the same way the old ones were (low ceilings, little to no thought given to air flow, etc.)
My Grandfather's house was a Texas style dog trot with 10' ceilings and a 10' wide hallway running right down the middle (The doors on both ends only opened to 6' but the passageway itself was 10' wide) On one side of the hallway were three bedrooms and a pantry (root cellar) no heat in any of those rooms. On the other side was the living room (Big potbellied stove there) dining room, and kitchen. In summer, those hallway doors were always wide open, 24/7 and I don't ever remember being hot in that house. Slept on top of the bed or out on the porch. The beds were all feather beds so staying warm in winter was easy. Close off the hallway and jump in bed with a quilt or two.
This old cabin is set up like in kind - Not the same style - but like in kind... For the land it exists in.
Dunno if I ever said it, but this place was originally just the living room - that was the whole cabin. Then they added on the kitchen and laundry/pantry, and finally, lastly, the two bedrooms and the bathroom out back. But that original cabin set the tone for the rest of the place - and firstly, before anything else, it is clocked perfectly to catch the breeze coming down the canyon. Every evening as the sun goes down, the cool mountain air comes flying down out of Foy's Canyon... All I have to do is open the bedroom windows in the west, and the living room and kitchen windows in the east, and 9 times out of 10, that breeze is there to push every bit of hot air out of the place in minutes - The effect is really an astonishment. And to this day, that old trapper that set this place has been a blessing for anyone who has ever lived here.
And the other thing worthy of comment - Like all cabins, this one has low ceilings. It makes it dark without any lights on, and feels a little close to those not used to it, but the purpose of it is profound - Heat stays down low where you need it. Which means heating this place has always been a cinch. The only way I can translate that is in the cost of the GFA furnace (which I really don't use much)... But at a time when most folks in comparable square footage were paying 125-175 bucks a month for heat, this place was heating for 75 bucks... The most I have ever paid for gas heat here was 175 in one month, and something around there is to be expected only when bitter cold, far below zero describes the whole month.
It is not magic, and really not science... But just these amazing ways folks just knew back then when every little bit needed to be eked out, and McMansions were not even a thought. Ain't it something, though?
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on December 29, 2022, 02:10:34 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fq0RAjJ1PKQ
Not sure where else to post this.
Title: Re: Christmas Day Forecast: Snowiest and Coldest Since 2000
Post by: Hoodat on December 29, 2022, 10:23:26 pm
December 28, 2022 11:35am EST Buffalo area blizzard death toll rises to 34, National Guard to go door to door looking for bodies Erie County authorities fearful that more dead bodies may be found