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General Category => Sports/Entertainment/MSM/Social Media => Shooting Sports => Topic started by: Elderberry on July 19, 2021, 07:30:05 pm
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Guns.com by Chris Eger 7/19/2021
Last week, the social media accounts for Marlin Firearms made their first posts in five years, seemingly paving the way for the return of the lever-action rifle giant.
"We’re back! Stay tuned for weekly updates on the return of Marlin," posted the company last Friday along with the motto, "Long Live the Lever Gun." Prior to that, the 173,000-follower page had last posted in May 2016.
Ruger, who purchased the 150-year-old Marlin brand in its entirety for $28.3 million at a federal bankruptcy auction last summer from the assets of the defunct Remington Outdoors, doubled down on the social media post by sending out an email blast with much the same messaging.
As previously reported by Guns.com, court filings detail that Ruger stood to acquire more than 80 pages of tooling, machines, components, and spare parts needed to produce Marlin firearms as well as related intellectual property, patents, FFLs, domain names, social media pages, and trademarks. Ruger, flush after several years of record sales, paid cash for the assets.
More: https://www.guns.com/news/2021/07/19/ruger-setting-stage-for-return-of-marlin (https://www.guns.com/news/2021/07/19/ruger-setting-stage-for-return-of-marlin)
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Gonna be interesting to see what if any innovations they come up with for the tried and true lever gun.
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Gonna be interesting to see what if any innovations they come up with for the tried and true lever gun.
I'd like to see them bring back an innovation from the past..........quality.
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Can I get the Chuck Connors Rifleman Edition?
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Can I get the Chuck Connors Rifleman Edition?
Yup but with the mods that Winchester will cost you over 2K
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Yup but with the mods that Winchester will cost you over 2K
Damn. Too much for my budget!
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I'd like to see them bring back an innovation from the past..........quality.
:yowsa: I own a Marlin 336 30-30 that is well over 50 years old and fits my hand perfectly.
It has accounted for more game than all my others combined.
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:yowsa: I own a Marlin 336 30-30 that is well over 50 years old and fits my hand perfectly.
It has accounted for more game than all my others combined.
@Bigun
Rural people tend to do most of their shooting with the rifle they have in their truck,and that is usually a lever action because they are the safest and the most reliable.
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@Bigun
Rural people tend to do most of their shooting with the rifle they have in their truck,and that is usually a lever action because they are the safest and the most reliable.
I've always thought that the Controlled Feed bolt actions were the most reliable.
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@Bigun
Rural people tend to do most of their shooting with the rifle they have in their truck,and that is usually a lever action because they are the safest and the most reliable.
Back in the day the Pump action Colt Lightning rifle was a very good equivalent.
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I'd like to see them bring back an innovation from the past..........quality.
That's what this is all about. As I'm sure you know, Remington tanked the quality of Marlin when they bought them and moved production. I'm thrilled that Ruger might bring it back.
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@Bigun
Rural people tend to do most of their shooting with the rifle they have in their truck,and that is usually a lever action because they are the safest and the most reliable.
@sneakypete , lever actions are hardly the most reliable. They have fairly finicky timing that can get off as parts wear. If you want guaranteed reliability, go for a bolt action.
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@Bigun
Rural people tend to do most of their shooting with the rifle they have in their truck,and that is usually a lever action because they are the safest and the most reliable.
A few weeks ago my son and a couple of his friends were out in the back forty shooting their ARs. I drove out to where they were and asked if they minded an old man seeing if his old 30-30 still worked? They accommodated me and I proceeded to put three in the ten ring at 100yds from a standing position.
I thanked them, got back in my vehicle and left.
At dinner that evening my son accused me of showing off for his friends. I said not a word. At 73 I didn't think any comment to be necessary.
@sneakypete
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A few weeks ago my son and a couple of his friends were out in the back forty shooting their ARs. I drove out to where they were and asked if they minded an old man seeing if his old 30-30 still worked? They accommodated me and I proceeded to put three in the ten ring at 100yds from a standing position.
I thanked them, got back in my vehicle and left.
At dinner that evening my son accused me of showing off for his friends. I said not a word. At 73 I didn't think any comment to be necessary.
@sneakypete
It ain't showing off if it is fact and no brag.
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@sneakypete , lever actions are hardly the most reliable. They have fairly finicky timing that can get off as parts wear. If you want guaranteed reliability, go for a bolt action.
I have several bolt guns but and will agree with you but my old Marlin has never once let me down either.
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A few weeks ago my son and a couple of his friends were out in the back forty shooting their ARs. I drove out to where they were and asked if they minded an old man seeing if his old 30-30 still worked? They accommodated me and I proceeded to put three in the ten ring at 100yds from a standing position.
I thanked them, got back in my vehicle and left.
At dinner that evening my son accused me of showing off for his friends. I said not a word. At 73 I didn't think any comment to be necessary.
@sneakypete
Wish I could say the same @Bigun .... I can still do alright at 100 yards, but it is getting to be part of that gray area where i am starting to need a scope. I can see 75 yards pretty good with open sights, And I could probably drop a deer at 100 alright... But I ain't driving tacks that far out anymore.
And I really don't want to go to a scope on brush guns... Sure, fine at 100, but at fifty all you see is hair. And in brush country, both are likely shots.
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I had the "Dreaded Marlin Jam" with my 1895 Marlin.
Fixing the Dreaded Marlin Jam
by Rusty Marlin
https://www.ktgunsmith.com/marlinjam.htm (https://www.ktgunsmith.com/marlinjam.htm)
The Problem
The "Marlin Jam" as it is affectionately known is caused by an inherent design/manufacturing flaw of the Marlin lever. The lever has a snail shaped cam surface that goes around the pivot screw. This snail shaped cam rides on a sloped surface on the bottom of the carrier and raises the carrier enough to allow the first incoming shell into the carrier and to block the next incoming round from jamming up the works. Every time the lever is cycled the carrier bounces on the forward edge of the cam. The forward most edge of this cam is left sharp at the factory (the flaw).
The bouncing forges a notch into the bottom of the carriers' slide surface and over time (high number of cycles) lowers the carriers' initial pick-up height allowing the rim of the next incoming shell to slip over the front and jam it up tight. Note the notch labeled 'A' and marked with an arrow in the photo.
Simply changing the carrier out as many repair places do is only a temporary fix at best. The new carrier will get a notch forged into it from the sharp edge of the lever cam and over time will settle downward in the action and again give you the “Marlin Jam”. Following the steps below will cure this problem FOREVER.
The Cure for New Guns
With new guns (less than 50 cycles) you can generally get away with just putting a radius on the forward edge of the lever cam. While this will lower the initial pick-up height slightly, it typically will still be high enough to prevent the dreaded "Marlin Jam" from ever occurring. If your rifle jams you will need to follow the steps outlined above.
Many of you will have guns that jam once in awhile but haven't figured out why. You probably have an odd piece of brass or two in your collection. For example the gun might run fine on Starline or Winchester but lock up tight on R-P. R-Ps are slightly smaller than others and this will cause the problem to be sporadic. Eventually the gun will jam on anything you feed it and you will need this fix.
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A few weeks ago my son and a couple of his friends were out in the back forty shooting their ARs. I drove out to where they were and asked if they minded an old man seeing if his old 30-30 still worked? They accommodated me and I proceeded to put three in the ten ring at 100yds from a standing position.
I thanked them, got back in my vehicle and left.
At dinner that evening my son accused me of showing off for his friends. I said not a word. At 73 I didn't think any comment to be necessary.
@sneakypete
You rock @Bigun !!
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Wish I could say the same @Bigun .... I can still do alright at 100 yards, but it is getting to be part of that gray area where i am starting to need a scope. I can see 75 yards pretty good with open sights, And I could probably drop a deer at 100 alright... But I ain't driving tacks that far out anymore.
And I really don't want to go to a scope on brush guns... Sure, fine at 100, but at fifty all you see is hair. And in brush country, both are likely shots.
LOL! @roamer_1 My 30-30 has a 4 power Tasco on it that is the same age as the rifle. It has worked fine for me for over 50 years.
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Wish I could say the same @Bigun .... I can still do alright at 100 yards, but it is getting to be part of that gray area where i am starting to need a scope. I can see 75 yards pretty good with open sights, And I could probably drop a deer at 100 alright... But I ain't driving tacks that far out anymore.
And I really don't want to go to a scope on brush guns... Sure, fine at 100, but at fifty all you see is hair. And in brush country, both are likely shots.
I know you don't like peep sights, so that ain't an option. That leaves a red dot sight, Or a low magnification scope. The last scope I purchased for a hog gun was a 1-4 power variable. While in the brush, leave it at 1X.
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You rock @Bigun !!
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Not really. It's just that I'm supremely confident in that rifle and it knows it.
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LOL! @roamer_1 My 30-30 has a 4 power Tasco on it that is the same age as the rifle. It has worked fine for me for over 50 years.
Well @Bigun , I am certainly heading there, and it is gonna mess me up. Even glasses I fear, will effect things. But time marches on, and it's surely a'coming.
So far I have made do with reading glasses, and my eyesight has always been good long. I have always just used ladder sights for longer shots... Can't use em anymore, or I am getting there anyway... Over 200 or 250 I am more likely to be bringing big iron and a scope... Elk hunting as an example - I have never brought an elk down short, even if I spook em up and they are all around me. If I am after elk, I will be walking ridge or sitting lookout with a 300 win mag, and it will be a long shot. Bighorn, mountain goat, even more so.
But deer and bear are always short, in brush, and I like the versatility of open sights.
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I know you don't like peep sights, so that ain't an option. That leaves a red dot sight, Or a low magnification scope. The last scope I purchased for a hog gun was a 1-4 power variable. While in the brush, leave it at 1X.
I am just on the edge of that... Getting to be where I can't see the dot, not to mention the distant prey. Fixed that some with light gathering orange front sight - that fixed the up close problem for now.
And I am getting to where the scope will be a necessity... along with remembering to adjust the sight beforehand when changing from brush to field... And just forget about over 150.
But thanks. I reckon I will be there in a year or two, and that 1-4 variable will undoubtedly be the ticket.
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Well @Bigun , I am certainly heading there, and it is gonna mess me up. Even glasses I fear, will effect things. But time marches on, and it's surely a'coming.
So far I have made do with reading glasses, and my eyesight has always been good long. I have always just used ladder sights for longer shots... Can't use em anymore, or I am getting there anyway... Over 200 or 250 I am more likely to be bringing big iron and a scope... Elk hunting as an example - I have never brought an elk down short, even if I spook em up and they are all around me. If I am after elk, I will be walking ridge or sitting lookout with a 300 win mag, and it will be a long shot. Bighorn, mountain goat, even more so.
But deer and bear are always short, in brush, and I like the versatility of open sights.
I wouldn't be hunting Elk, or even Mule deer with a 30-30. I 'm right there with you on the .300 WM for Elk but most likely would go with my trusty old .270 Winchester if on a combo hunt.
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It ain't showing off if it is fact and no brag.
Them that can brag, let em. :beer:
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I am just on the edge of that... Getting to be where I can't see the dot, not to mention the distant prey. Fixed that some with light gathering orange front sight - that fixed the up close problem for now.
And I am getting to where the scope will be a necessity... along with remembering to adjust the sight beforehand when changing from brush to field... And just forget about over 150.
But thanks. I reckon I will be there in a year or two, and that 1-4 variable will undoubtedly be the ticket.
My cousin, with whom I've had the pleasure of sharing many a campfire, has never been able to sit and wait on a stand for game to show up so most of his shots have been at spooked animals and he has been remarkably successful at that. His sight of choice is a double ghost ring. Ain't nothing faster than that. @roamer_1
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I wouldn't be hunting Elk, or even Mule deer with a 30-30. I 'm right there with you on the .300 WM for Elk but most likely would go with my trusty old .270 Winchester if on a combo hunt.
@Bigun
I go up with the big iron in the scabbard on my back, and the 45/70 on a mountain sling in my hands.
I can certainly take an elk with the 45/70. I just never get the chance in the brush.
If they spook up around me it's likely a snap shot that I won't take. And then they're disappeared, just that fast.
Just better for me to be off a ways where I can take my time toward a well aimed shot.
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for clarity, I committed a while back to First Tactical... both my go bag (35L), and my 55 liter bag are First Tactical, and are fitted with a pass-through enclosure designed to carry a rifle scabbard.
All my working guns live in a First Tactical scabbard, so that is what I mean by the 300 win going up in a scabbard on my back.
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I've always thought that the Controlled Feed bolt actions were the most reliable.
@Elderberry
Well,,they ARE reliable,but I won't say "most" reliable. ESPECIALLY not in a panic situation,where loading another round manually quickly and being able to shoot it are important factors. LOTS of people have panicked in stressful situations and "short stroked" a bolt rifle while trying to reload it,and ended up with an empty chamber.
Plus,almost everybody takes their eyes off the target trying to chamber another round in a bolt gun.
Neither are problems in a lever gun,plus they hold more ammo.
Hard to beat a Marlin 45/70 in bear country as a sling rifle while wandering around,though. Although if being attacked by a brownie,I would prefer a Huey Cobra or a Spooky C-130 gun ship.
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My cousin, with whom I've had the pleasure of sharing many a campfire, has never been able to sit and wait on a stand for game to show up so most of his shots have been at spooked animals and he has been remarkably successful at that. His sight of choice is a double ghost ring. Ain't nothing faster than that. @roamer_1
@Bigun
I ain't that way, mostly. I am quiet on the path, and I can usually take a planned shot. I have been a brush hunter my whole life - that's what you get till you get on a ridge. The ravines getting to the ridge are choked up, always. You get some open bottoms and hollers and a feller does alright there with a blind or a slow walk. But here, you are probably high on a ridge sitting and waiting for a shot.
It's nice too... Set a little camp, have some coffee on the fire, a bag of snickers, and sit and wait.
In the brush I tend to find a trail heading to water and find a likely place and sit down. Just the best luck for me down in the bottoms. I seldom take a snap shot. Don't want to take a chance at injury, and don't want the adrenaline tainting the meat anyway.
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Back in the day the Pump action Colt Lightning rifle was a very good equivalent.
@Wingnut
True,but IF I remember correctly,they were only good for black powder loads,and they weren't real sturdy.
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@sneakypete , lever actions are hardly the most reliable. They have fairly finicky timing that can get off as parts wear. If you want guaranteed reliability, go for a bolt action.
@BassWrangler
That has never been my experience,and I was a professional gunsmith for several years. Almost never had to do anything to a lever gun but replace a long firing pin from dry firing.
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A few weeks ago my son and a couple of his friends were out in the back forty shooting their ARs. I drove out to where they were and asked if they minded an old man seeing if his old 30-30 still worked? They accommodated me and I proceeded to put three in the ten ring at 100yds from a standing position.
I thanked them, got back in my vehicle and left.
At dinner that evening my son accused me of showing off for his friends. I said not a word. At 73 I didn't think any comment to be necessary.
@sneakypete
@Bigun
Sometimes,even at 73,life can be good!
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I know you don't like peep sights, so that ain't an option. That leaves a red dot sight, Or a low magnification scope. The last scope I purchased for a hog gun was a 1-4 power variable. While in the brush, leave it at 1X.
@Elderberry
Unscrew the "peep" from your peep sight,and discover the wonderful world of Ghost Rings. Your eye will automatically center the front sight in it without you even trying.
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@Bigun
Sometimes,even at 73,life can be good!
Yep! That's a fact!
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@Elderberry
Well,,they ARE reliable,but I won't say "most" reliable. ESPECIALLY not in a panic situation,where loading another round manually quickly and being able to shoot it are important factors. LOTS of people have panicked in stressful situations and "short stroked" a bolt rifle while trying to reload it,and ended up with an empty chamber.
Plus,almost everybody takes their eyes off the target trying to chamber another round in a bolt gun.
Neither are problems in a lever gun,plus they hold more ammo.
@sneakypete
That's probably right. Bolt guns are for long range, where you have time to jack another round...
I will take a lever in the brush every time - even before a side arm.
Hard to beat a Marlin 45/70 in bear country as a sling rifle while wandering around,though. Although if being attacked by a brownie,I would prefer a Huey Cobra or a Spooky C-130 gun ship.
LOL! YUP.
Can't say enough how bad it is getting caught with a scoped gun in brush with dire need. Especially a scoped bolt gun.
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Let's not forget the Savage Model 99. Especially if you can find one in .308. EXCELLENT lever rifle.
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@Elderberry
Unscrew the "peep" from your peep sight,and discover the wonderful world of Ghost Rings. Your eye will automatically center the front sight in it without you even trying.
As if I don't know all of this all ready??? All of my non-scoped rifles have peep sights on them. Back when I was around 14 when I bought my first deer rifle, a Glenfield 30-30, I immediately mounted a set of Weaver Foolproof peep sights on it.
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Let's not forget the Savage Model 99. Especially if you can find one in .308. EXCELLENT lever rifle.
Absolutely! But finding one is next to impossible because those who have them ain't about to turn them loose.
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@Elderberry
Plus,almost everybody takes their eyes off the target trying to chamber another round in a bolt gun.
@sneakypete
My first bolt action, other than my Rem521 .22 was a Rem700 in .243. Being a "Short Action", I could aim, shoot, extract and load with my vision still on my target, thru the scope, the entire time.
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@Elderberry
Unscrew the "peep" from your peep sight,and discover the wonderful world of Ghost Rings. Your eye will automatically center the front sight in it without you even trying.
I don't even recall ever seeing the sights the very few snap shots I've made successfully
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@Wingnut
True,but IF I remember correctly,they were only good for black powder loads,and they weren't real sturdy.
@sneakypete
My FIL had a Remington, I think 760 in 30-06 so pretty darn sturdy and not black powder. All the guns, along with 90%+ of everything else went to my wife's brother, but he's a diabetic who doesn't take care of himself and 300+ pounds, now there's only him and my wife so...........
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As if I don't know all of this all ready??? All of my non-scoped rifles have peep sights on them. Back when I was around 14 when I bought my first deer rifle, a Glenfield 30-30, I immediately mounted a set of Weaver Foolproof peep sights on it.
@Elderberry
Did you,or didn't you remove the peep sights?
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@sneakypete
My FIL had a Remington, I think 760 in 30-06 so pretty darn sturdy and not black powder. All the guns, along with 90%+ of everything else went to my wife's brother, but he's a diabetic who doesn't take care of himself and 300+ pounds, now there's only him and my wife so...........
@GtHawk
I had forgotten all about the Remington pump rifles. What I remember most about them is they make a hell of a lot of noise from just being on your shoulder when you walk. Rattles from the slide action and the magazine rattle.
Every one I ever touched was a used gun in for repair,though. New ones might have been a lot quieter.
I may be wrong about this because it has been a LOOONG time,but I also seem to remember the recoil with the 30/06 was horrendous,due a combination of bad stock design and the recoil of the 06.
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Absolutely! But finding one is next to impossible because those who have them ain't about to turn them loose.
@Bigun
Yeah,if you find one for sale,it is usually either in a pawn shop or an estate sale.
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@GtHawk
I had forgotten all about the Remington pump rifles. What I remember most about them is they make a hell of a lot of noise from just being on your shoulder when you walk. Rattles from the slide action and the magazine rattle.
Every one I ever touched was a used gun in for repair,though. New ones might have been a lot quieter.
I may be wrong about this because it has been a LOOONG time,but I also seem to remember the recoil with the 30/06 was horrendous,due a combination of bad stock design and the recoil of the 06.
@sneakypete
Could be, I don't recall shooting it, I did fire his 03 Springfield and recall the kick from that. The worst thing I fired as far as hard recoil was a old .45-70 carbine my FIL had that he and my BIL thought would be very funny to load a round up hot and offer it to me to shoot...that hurt!
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I love reading a good thread like this one.... but it pains me to admit I have never shot a lever gun, not even once.
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@sneakypete
Could be, I don't recall shooting it, I did fire his 03 Springfield and recall the kick from that. The worst thing I fired as far as hard recoil was a old .45-70 carbine my FIL had that he and my BIL thought would be very funny to load a round up hot and offer it to me to shoot...that hurt!
@GtHawk
Yeah,a carbine and a heavy 45-70 load is not a fun combination to shoot for pleasure,but it is a good combo for hiking or camping in an area with bears.
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@Elderberry
Did you,or didn't you remove the peep sights?
@sneakypete
You must be confusing me with someone else. I first brought up peeps with Roamer who doesn't use them. Like I said, all my non-scoped rifles have peep sights. My scoped guns Never had peeps on them. Except the scope on my MAS49/56 is side mounted and it still has its factory aperture/peep sights on it. I mount peeps to stay. Well my Mausers also had aperture sights, but I rebarreled them ages ago and now they're scoped.
Now if you were meaning, "Did you Unscrew the aperture from your peep sights and just use the larger threaded hole?" Of course I have. The way your eyes work using the different diameter apertures or just the large threaded hole is all the same. No alignment of front and rear sights is ever required. Only more light comes thru, the larger the hole size is. There may be some amount of loss of accuracy, the larger the aperture is, but I haven't seen it affect me hunting. I have tiny apertures I only insert when I am at the range.
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@sneakypete
You must be confusing me with someone else. I first brought up peeps with Roamer who doesn't use them. Like I said, all my non-scoped rifles have peep sights. My scoped guns Never had peeps on them. Except the scope on my MAS49/56 is side mounted and it still has its factory aperture/peep sights on it. I mount peeps to stay. Well my Mausers also had aperture sights, but I rebarreled them ages ago and now they're scoped.
Now if you were meaning, "Did you Unscrew the aperture from your peep sights and just use the larger threaded hole?" Of course I have.
@Elderberry
No,I meant remove the peep sight. It slides left and right for windage adjustments,and there should be a larger rectangular hole when it is removed.
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@Elderberry
No,I meant remove the peep sight. It slides left and right for windage adjustments,and there should be a larger rectangular hole when it is removed.
@sneakypete
Maybe so with the peep sights you are used to using. Williams sights just ain't built thataway.
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@sneakypete
Maybe so with the peep sights you are used to using. Williams sights just ain't built thataway.
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@Elderberry
Never really liked peep sights,so I was never willing to spend the money for the high-priced spread. I guess you could take the biggest drill bit you could find that wouldn't completely destroy your sight,and drill it out after removing the "peep",but that seems wasteful to me. Better to sell it and then mount one of the cheapies like came on my 22 rifle when I was 10. Remove the aperture,and "BINGO!",you have a "ghost sight".
I never really "got" the whole peep sight thing on a hunting rifle to start with,since you are supposed to focus on the front sight,anyway. Let your eye do the "work". It's what eyes do.
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I don't know what your problem is with them. They work fine for me both in the woods and at the range.
You don't focus on the aperture. No matter what its diameter is. You look thru it and place the front sight on your target.
To each his own.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_sights (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_sights)
Aperture sights
Aperture sights, also known as "peep sights", range from the "ghost ring" sight, whose thin ring blurs to near invisibility (hence "ghost"), to target aperture sights that use large disks or other occluders with pinhole-sized apertures. In general, the thicker the ring, the more precise the sight, and the thinner the ring, the faster the sight.[2]
The theory of operation behind the aperture sight is often stated that the human eye will automatically center the front sight when looking through the rear aperture, thus ensuring accuracy.[2] However, aperture sights are accurate even if the front sight is not centered in the rear aperture due to a phenomenon called parallax suppression.[10] This is because, when the aperture is smaller than the eye's pupil diameter, the aperture itself becomes the entrance pupil for the entire optical system of target, front sight post, rear aperture, and eye. As long as the aperture's diameter is completely contained within the eye's pupil diameter, the exact visual location of the front sight post within the rear aperture ring does not affect the accuracy, and accuracy only starts to degrade slightly due to parallax shift as the aperture's diameter begins to encroach on the outside of the eye's pupil diameter. An additional benefit to aperture sights is that smaller apertures provide greater depth of field, making the target less blurry when focusing on the front sight.
In low light conditions the parallax suppression phenomenon is markedly better. The depth of field looking through the sight remains the same as in bright conditions.[10] This is in contrast to open sights, where the eye's pupil will become wider in low light conditions, meaning a larger aperture and a blurrier target. The downside to this is that the image through an aperture sight is darker than with an open sight.
These sights are used on target rifles of several disciplines and on several military rifles such as the Pattern 1914 Enfield and M1917 Enfield, M1 Garand, the No. 4 series Enfields and the M16 series of weapons along with several others.
Ghost ring
The ghost ring sight is considered by some to be the fastest type of aperture sight.[neutrality is disputed] It is fairly accurate, easy to use, and obscures the target less than nearly all other non-optical sights. Because of this, ghost ring sights are commonly installed on riot and combat shotguns and customized handguns, and they are also gaining ground as a backup sighting system on rifles.[citation needed] The ghost ring is a fairly recent innovation, and differs from traditional aperture sights in the extreme thinness of the rear ring and the slightly thicker front sight. The thin ring minimizes the occlusion of the target, while the thicker front post makes it easy to find quickly. Factory Mossberg ghost ring sights also have thick steel plates on either side of the extremely thin ring. These are to protect the sight's integrity in cases where, for example, the shotgun were to fall and impact a surface in a manner that would, in the absence of the steel plates on either side, damage or distort the shape of the ring.
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I don't know what your problem is with them. They work fine for me both in the woods and at the range.
You don't focus on the aperture. No matter what its diameter is. You look thru it and place the front sight on your target.
To each his own.
Agree. I love peep sights. Prefer red dot sight, but peep sights don't have a battery to go dead
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Agree. I love peep sights. Prefer red dot sight, but peep sights don't have a battery to go dead
I have to remember to check the battery in my M1Carbine's red dot. I also have a red dot on my 1911. But I like the way it shoots so naturally for me with iron sights, so I have 2 slides for it.
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I have to remember to check the battery in my M1Carbine's red dot. I also have a red dot on my 1911. But I like the way it shoots so naturally for me with iron sights, so I have 2 slides for it.
Replace the batteries on your birthday. That way it's not an issue. Bit of a pain that some pistol RDS require removing the site to do that (with subsequent re-sighting in).
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I'd like to see them bring back an innovation from the past..........quality.
I agree. Quality took a turn for the worst when Remington bought them. And it’s Remingtons fault if you read about what happened.
My Glenfield (née Marlin) was made in 1991 and the quality is superb.