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General Category => Elections 2024 => Topic started by: Hoodat on May 20, 2023, 01:26:50 pm
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Trump says he would reach abortion 'deal' that the 'whole country can agree with'
Julia Musto • 18 May 2023
Former President Trump claimed Tuesday that his potential future administration would reach a deal on abortion that "the whole country" would be okay with.
"Now DeSantis, or Ron DeSanctimonious as I call him, he came out with the six weeks. Other people agree with it. And a lot of people don't," Trump said in an interview with Newsmax. "We're in a position now – and I'm going to be leading the charge – we're in the position now where we can get something that the whole country can agree with, and that's only because I got us out of the Roe v. Wade where the pro-life people had absolutely nothing to say."
When pressed further, the GOP presidential candidate asserted that he is in a "very powerful negotiating position" following the reversal of Roe v. Wade, echoing previous statements when asked about his beliefs. . .
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-says-he-would-reach-abortion-deal-that-the-whole-country-can-agree-with/ar-AA1bm3b7
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We are in a post Roe v Wade political world. We won. The Supremes overturned this and returned the issue to the states.
Why, when we could finally hold national elections without abortion being on the agenda, would DeSantis Trump be forcing anything to do with abortion as a litmus test?
https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,499898.msg2833631.html#msg2833631
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How much would we have to pay this guy to retire and shut up? It may be worth looking into.
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Sure...
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How much would we have to pay this guy to retire and shut up? It may be worth looking into.
:amen:
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How much would we have to pay this guy to retire and shut up? It may be worth looking into.
That’d be greatly helpful.. also, God might intervene with a medical issue.
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Who thinks you can win a national election without voting women?
I swear...you guys...all you do is emote.
Snap the hell out of it! ****slapping
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Abortion is a state issue and should stay there.
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Who thinks you can win a national election without voting women?
I swear...you guys...all you do is emote.
Snap the hell out of it!
@DCPatriot
So you believe abortion should be put back on the national agenda as an election issue instead of having it remain a State issue?
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@DCPatriot
So you believe abortion should be put back on the national agenda as an election issue instead of having it remain a State issue?
I'm saying that you're not living in reality.
The only way this topic will fade as a political issue is by winning hearts and minds...not by writing laws.
It is virtually impossible without an effective megaphone. The Media is the arm of the Democrat Party, despite their hard-LEFT turn.
Flawed or not...WTF did it take 45 YEARS for any Supreme Court to 'correct' it?
2-1/2 generations?? And you think a law gives you the moral high ground? At what cost??
And you guys call Donald Trump a narcissist??
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I'm saying that you're not living in reality.
The only way this topic will fade as a political issue is by winning hearts and minds...not by writing laws.
It is virtually impossible without an effective megaphone. The Media is the arm of the Democrat Party, despite their hard-LEFT turn.
Flawed or not...WTF did it take 45 YEARS for any Supreme Court to 'correct' it?
2-1/2 generations?? And you think a law gives you the moral high ground? At what cost??
And you guys call Donald Trump a narcissist??
The reality is SCOTUS returned the abortion issue to the States where it should be. By Trump stating that he would reach an abortion 'deal' that the whole country can agree with leads people to falsely believe that he can rescind what the SCOTUS has decided. Yes, Trump is a narcissist. He always has been and always will be.
Laws don't give anyone the moral high ground but it sure as heck relieves for the most part babies being killed after delivery and late term abortions. Anyone who doesn't see abortion as a moral issue needs some help; murdering babies is wrong period.
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I'm saying that you're not living in reality.
The only way this topic will fade as a political issue is by winning hearts and minds...not by writing laws.
So you think Donald Trump is wrong to offer a deal instead of winning hearts and minds?
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...not by writing laws.
In fact, SCOTUS removed law. Un-wrote law, @DCPatriot
It was the leftward leaning SCOTUS of yesteryear that 'wrote law' by endorsing Roe v Wade.
So when liberals write law (illegally btw), that's alright... but when Conservatives remove law, that's not?
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Who thinks you can win a national election without voting women?
I swear...you guys...all you do is emote.
Snap the hell out of it! ****slapping
So you think Trump is popular with women?? Cheating on his wife several times and making derogatory statements about women? He just lost to E. Jean Caroll and he has to pay her $5 million for sexual assault.
Think again.
Take off the orange colored glasses for a few minutes and take a look at reality.
Former President Trump increasingly looks like the favorite to win the GOP’s presidential nomination, but that strength masks what many Republicans see as a huge weakness against President Biden: Trump’s problems with suburban women.
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/4002482-gop-fears-trumps-problems-with-suburban-women-will-only-get-worse/
In 2020 62% of women said they would not vote for him.
https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-americas-thinking/447308-trumps-giant-gender-gap-62-percent-of-women-say-they-are/
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So you think Trump is popular with women?? Cheating on his wife several times and making derogatory statements about women? He just lost to E. Jean Caroll and he has to pay her $5 million for sexual assault.
Think again.
This is how Trump (and his zealots) believe is a successful strategy to pander for the 'women's vote' - by offering a "deal" on abortion. Never mind that women are just a split on this issue as everyone else. Never mind that his zealots just recently criticized (falsely) DeSantis of bringing this issue up nationally. And never mind this decision flies in the face of Republican policy for the last century.
As for Trump's political unpopularity with women, this showcases typical Democrat philosophy - to hold others accountable to a standard you do not believe in yourself. Trump zealots sure didn't give a damn about women's support in 2020. Yet @DCPatriot uses it now as an excuse to explain Trump's actions - actions that @Right_in_Virginia (falsely) condemned Ron DeSantis of doing only a few days prior.
Hypocrisy on steroids.
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We are in a post Roe v Wade political world. We won. The Supremes overturned this and returned the issue to the states.
Why, when we could finally hold national elections without abortion being on the agenda, would DeSantis Trump be forcing anything to do with abortion as a litmus test?
Trump is trying to clean up and minimize the meatball's mess. I swear there are times I think RDS is working for Biden.
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Your blatant double-standard is duly noted.
Oh, and for the record, it was Trump - not DeSantis - who started this national discussion. But you knew that already, yet are still pushing a false narrative that DeSantis created this.
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In 2020 62% of women said they would not vote for him.
https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-americas-thinking/447308-trumps-giant-gender-gap-62-percent-of-women-say-they-are/
In 2020, 92% of women never heard of Rob DeSantis. Those that have met him recently are running away from RDS in droves.
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Who thinks you can win a national election without voting women?
I swear...you guys...all you do is emote.
Snap the hell out of it! ****slapping
Who on God's green Earth believes anyone could get the entire nation to agree on something as divisional as abortion? What Trump is spouting is nothing more than BS POLITICIAN(you know that thing we keep being told Trump isn't) empty promise crapola. Anyone that believes the great deal maker could pull something off is deluded. How do you you pull off getting voting women to vote for you with this? Liberal women will never ever trust Trump and pushing the abortion narrative to the liberal edge of the scale will alienate how many of the conservative women that he needs? Pander bear gotta pander.
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In 2020, 92% of women never heard of Rob DeSantis. Those that have met him recently are running away from RDS in droves.
And you can prove this how? Of course Trump is drawing women to him with his infidelity to his wife right, because women just love an unfaithful man.
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In 2020, 92% of women never heard of Rob DeSantis. Those that have met him recently are running away from RDS in droves.
QED
Just like I said, this showcases typical Democrat philosophy - to hold others accountable to a standard you do not believe in yourself.
(Trump got 36% of the women's vote in 2020)
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And you can prove this how? Of course Trump is drawing women to him with his infidelity to his wife right, because women just love an unfaithful man.
Always accusations and false narratives.
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In 2020, 92% of women never heard of Rob DeSantis. Those that have met him recently are running away from RDS in droves.
Right. *****rollingeyes*****
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Who on God's green Earth believes anyone could get the entire nation to agree on something as divisional as abortion?
It took a special kind of dumbass to come up with something this politically asinine. And the only thing more stupid than saying it in the first place is to defend it.
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It took a special kind of dumbass to come up with something this politically asinine. And the only thing more stupid than saying it in the first place is to defend it.
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Who on God's green Earth believes anyone could get the entire nation to agree on something as divisional as abortion?
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Liberal women will never ever trust Trump and pushing the abortion narrative to the liberal edge of the scale will alienate how many of the conservative women that he needs? Pander bear gotta pander.
His only lasting success - The overturning of Roe - And now he will betray the Christian Right on that very issue.
How many Christians will vote for him putting abortion back in a national frame?
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Is anyone seeing this reply? @cyberliberty @mystery-ak
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His only lasting success - The overturning of Roe - And now he will betray the Christian Right on that very issue.
How many Christians will vote for him putting abortion back in a national frame?
This issue needs to remain with the States. You are right; how many conservative Christians will vote for him if he tries to bring this issue back to national attention? Talk about stirring a hornet's nest. I would create unnecessary agitation. The SCOTUS ruled to return the issue to the States period. Trump trying to change that? Does he think he's above the highest court??
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What number dimensional chess are we up to now? wink777
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Is anyone seeing this reply? @cyberliberty @mystery-ak
I'm not seeing it either.
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Is anyone seeing this reply? @cyberliberty @mystery-ak
I see it...saw it :laugh:
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Another Trumpian promise that has absolutely zero chance of being fulfilled. As if people who believe abortion should be legal through birth and people who believe it shouldn't be legal under any circumstances would ever agree on a solution. Preposterous.
But, it does fit in well with other bogus promises by Trump, such as "I only hire the best people" (lie), "I'll build a 20 foot wall across the entire border and have Mexico pay for it" (lie), or "I'll end the war in Ukraine within 24 hours" (another obvious lie).
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Another Trumpian promise that has absolutely zero chance of being fulfilled. As if people who believe abortion should be legal through birth and people who believe it shouldn't be legal under any circumstances would ever agree on a solution. Preposterous.
But, it does fit in well with other bogus promises by Trump, such as "I only hire the best people" (lie), "I'll build a 20 foot wall across the entire border and have Mexico pay for it" (lie), or "I'll end the war in Ukraine within 24 hours" (another obvious lie).
Not only that, he is doing a great disservice to this country for those thinking that this issue is still at the federal level. That is what he is inferring.
Trump's bogus promises and lies. How can anyone vote for him again?
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Not only that, he is doing a great disservice to this country for those thinking that this issue is still at the federal level. That is what he is inferring.
Trump's bogus promises and lies. How can anyone vote for him again?
He's big government. It's how he thinks.
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The whole country will not agree on abortion policy unless there is some massive change in society, either for the better or for the worse. A sizable majority (from whom we hardly ever hear on the issue) would be happy with Scandinavian-style abortion laws: abortion on demand until the 12th (or 13th or 14th) week of pregnancy, and after that only to save the life of the mother. However, the absolutists on both sides would be bitterly unhappy with that. Interestingly, Nebraska just passed such a law, so maybe we do hear form that faction of the populace.
Funny how the Left likes to hold Scandinavia up as a model for almost everything, but managed to get Roe v. Wade overturned by challenging a law that was more permissive than most of the Scandinavian countries -- one actually has an 18 week outer limit, in the others it's 12, 13 or 14 -- Arkansas proposing a 15 week limit.
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The whole country will not agree on abortion policy unless there is some massive change in society, either for the better or for the worse. A sizable majority (from whom we hardly ever hear on the issue) would be happy with Scandinavian-style abortion laws: abortion on demand until the 12th (or 13th or 14th) week of pregnancy, and after that only to save the life of the mother. However, the absolutists on both sides would be bitterly unhappy with that. Interestingly, Nebraska just passed such a law, so maybe we do hear form that faction of the populace.
Funny how the Left likes to hold Scandinavia up as a model for almost everything, but managed to get Roe v. Wade overturned by challenging a law that was more permissive than most of the Scandinavian countries -- one actually has an 18 week outer limit, in the others it's 12, 13 or 14 -- Arkansas proposing a 15 week limit.
Regardless, of the limits, abortion was handed back to the states, and should have been a long time ago.
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Nationalizing the abortion issue is an issue that Republicans won’t win on. So Trump’s attempt here to nationalize the issue makes me wonder if he’s on the DNC payroll
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Nationalizing the abortion issue is an issue that Republicans won’t win on. So Trump’s attempt here to nationalize the issue makes me wonder if he’s on the DNC payroll
I think he is trying to back DeSantis into a corner.
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I think he is trying to back DeSantis into a corner.
Possibly
But by nationalizing the issue, he’s helping out the Democrats in the process. Whether he’s knowingly doing it or not, doesn’t matter. The result is the same.
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Because Trump is so damned good at reaching "deals" on political issues. Where's that deal on immigration? Wasn't that the deal last time around?
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Because Trump is so damned good at reaching "deals" on political issues. Where's that deal on immigration? Wasn't that the deal last time around?
The deep state uniparty establishment prevented him from making the deal.
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This is another example of Trump attacking DeSantis from the left
I agree that the 6 week ban is probably too harsh. But what is Trump’s position? Besides, you’ll never get a deal that the whole country can agree on when it comes to this issue.
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The deep state uniparty establishment prevented him from making the deal.
So what’s going to prevent those same people stopping him from making more deals should he get re elected?
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This is another example of Trump attacking DeSantis from the left
I agree that the 6 week ban is probably too harsh. But what is Trump’s position? Besides, you’ll never get a deal that the whole country can agree on when it comes to this issue.
The deal the whole country could agree with is that it is a state issue and none of the feds business.
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The deep state uniparty establishment prevented him from making the deal.
Uh-huh.
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Uh-huh.
That was sarcasm...
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That was sarcasm...
@kevindavis007
Sorry! My bad.
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@kevindavis007
Sorry! My bad.
@Kamaji
No worries, it is hard to tell nowadays.
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Fishrrman fearless prediction™:
The "abortion issue" is going to do far more damage to Republicans over time in the red states, than in the blue states.
The Dobbs decision has turned out to be a Pyrrhic Victory -- a [painful] gift that will just "keep on giving".
There are cohorts and cohorts of young women that the Pubbies are NEVER going to "reach" because of it. And even as they grow older, they're not going to change their voting patterns in any great degree...
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Fishrrman fearless prediction™:
The "abortion issue" is going to do far more damage to Republicans over time in the red states, than in the blue states.
The Dobbs decision has turned out to be a Pyrrhic Victory -- a [painful] gift that will just "keep on giving".
There are cohorts and cohorts of young women that the Pubbies are NEVER going to "reach" because of it. And even as they grow older, they're not going to change their voting patterns in any great degree...
As you know, abortion has become a state issue. Those women you mentioned were not going to vote GOP anyways.
Trump in his infinite wisdom is making it seem like it is still a national or federal issue. He is misleading people. No surprise.
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Fishrrman fearless prediction™:
The "abortion issue" is going to do far more damage to Republicans over time in the red states, than in the blue states.
Only if dumb stupid ignorant imbecilic idiotic morons like Donald Trump continue to make it a national issue.
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Fishrrman fearless prediction™:
The "abortion issue" is going to do far more damage to Republicans over time in the red states, than in the blue states.
The Dobbs decision has turned out to be a Pyrrhic Victory -- a [painful] gift that will just "keep on giving".
There are cohorts and cohorts of young women that the Pubbies are NEVER going to "reach" because of it. And even as they grow older, they're not going to change their voting patterns in any great degree...
I'll take you up on that. Liberal women have a presence in small town America, even in the red states... But a powerful matriarchy still exists in country places, and powerful grandmothers teach their grandchildren...
Sure they rebel in their teens, and sure they do stupid stuff, but they have been taught right from wrong by the wise. Generally (young ladies first) they tend to come back around to what their family believes... and especially so when they first find an occasion to pass a child from their belly.
Mothers tend to be conservative here in the great unwashed red states.
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Abortion is a state issue and should stay there.
Precisely.
Especially when emoting women are emoting as if these was a Federal ban on abortions because Roe was overturned. The claimed "Right" was wrong in the first place, and in no way would have been part of Original Intent.
If someone doesn't like the rules in their state, they are still free to travel to a state where they like the rules, or even move there.
At its core, that is what Federalism is about. These United States.
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Abortion is a state issue and should stay there.
It would appear Mr. T doesn’t understand that - which is also the crux of the Court’s decision.
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It would appear Mr. T doesn’t understand that - which is also the crux of the Court’s decision.
That should come as no surprise at all.
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That should come as no surprise at all.
I reckon not.