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Title: Billionaire commencement speaker to pay off student loans of entire class
Post by: mystery-ak on May 19, 2019, 08:28:31 pm
Billionaire commencement speaker to pay off student loans of entire class
by Caitlin Yilek
 | May 19, 2019 03:50 PM



Billionaire Robert F. Smith surprised graduating seniors at Morehouse College on Sunday by announcing he would pay off all their student debt.

“This is my class,” he said, according to the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, “and I know my class will pay this forward.”

Smith, a philanthropist and CEO of technology investment firm Vista Equity Partners, received an honorary doctorate Sunday and had already made a $1.5 million contribution to the school earlier this year for scholarships and a new park.

The student loan payoff for the nearly 400 graduating students is estimated to be about $40 million. A college spokeswoman said it is the largest single gift in the history of the school.

During his commencement address, Smith urged students to include others in their success.

“You want to own it, you want to drive it, and you want to pick up as many people as you can along the way,” he said. “I’m putting some fuel into your bus. I’m counting on you to load up that bus.”

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/billionaire-commencement-speaker-to-pay-off-student-loans-of-entire-class (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/billionaire-commencement-speaker-to-pay-off-student-loans-of-entire-class)
Title: Re: Billionaire commencement speaker to pay off student loans of entire class
Post by: Bill Cipher on May 19, 2019, 08:29:22 pm
That’s nice, but what about all the other classes before and after this one?
Title: Re: Billionaire commencement speaker to pay off student loans of entire class
Post by: dfwgator on May 19, 2019, 08:30:25 pm
That’s nice, but what about all the other classes before and after this one?

I hope those students can afford the tax bill that's coming.
Title: Re: Billionaire commencement speaker to pay off student loans of entire class
Post by: Bill Cipher on May 19, 2019, 08:31:52 pm
I hope those students can afford the tax bill that's coming.

The tax bill will still be smaller than the loans themselves.  And the payments may be grossed up so that they don’t end up hearing the cost of the tax. 
Title: Re: Billionaire commencement speaker to pay off student loans of entire class
Post by: mountaineer on May 19, 2019, 08:36:08 pm
That’s nice, but what about all the other classes before and after this one?
What about them?  They're no worse off than they were before this fellow came along.
Title: Re: Billionaire commencement speaker to pay off student loans of entire class
Post by: Bill Cipher on May 19, 2019, 08:39:04 pm
What about them?  They're no worse off than they were before this fellow came along.

As compared to 2019, they’re a lot worse off. 

Perhaps this gent, as well intentioned as he clearly is, should have worked with the school to endow it so that no accepted student needed to borrow for tuition any more. 
Title: Re: Billionaire commencement speaker to pay off student loans of entire class
Post by: InHeavenThereIsNoBeer on May 19, 2019, 08:47:34 pm
As compared to 2019, they’re a lot worse off. 

Perhaps this gent, as well intentioned as he clearly is, should have worked with the school to endow it so that no accepted student needed to borrow for tuition any more.

Why compare them to the class of 2019?  Why not compare them to a lottery winner, are they suddenly worse off because someone else won the lottery?
Title: Re: Billionaire commencement speaker to pay off student loans of entire class
Post by: Bill Cipher on May 19, 2019, 08:51:05 pm
Why compare them to the class of 2019?  Why not compare them to a lottery winner, are they suddenly worse off because someone else won the lottery?

Because they are worse off simply because of the caprice of one wealthy person; someone who, quite honestly, is exercising the very real privileges that wealth brings (as compared to the phony, no existent privileges supposedly associated with being white).

The point is, he isn’t accomplishing much other than making himself feel good because the objects of his largesse are limited to one random group of people. 

It’s a nice thing to do, but it’s also got nothing to do with making the cost of education less onerous. 
Title: Re: Billionaire commencement speaker to pay off student loans of entire class
Post by: InHeavenThereIsNoBeer on May 19, 2019, 09:28:01 pm
Because they are worse off simply because of the caprice of one wealthy person; someone who, quite honestly, is exercising the very real privileges that wealth brings (as compared to the phony, no existent privileges supposedly associated with being white).

The point is, he isn’t accomplishing much other than making himself feel good because the objects of his largesse are limited to one random group of people. 

It’s a nice thing to do, but it’s also got nothing to do with making the cost of education less onerous.

They are no worse off.  They owe the same amount as they would if the guy didn't make the gift to someone else.
Title: Re: Billionaire commencement speaker to pay off student loans of entire class
Post by: dfwgator on May 19, 2019, 09:32:53 pm
Because they are worse off simply because of the caprice of one wealthy person; someone who, quite honestly, is exercising the very real privileges that wealth brings (as compared to the phony, no existent privileges supposedly associated with being white).

The point is, he isn’t accomplishing much other than making himself feel good because the objects of his largesse are limited to one random group of people. 

It’s a nice thing to do, but it’s also got nothing to do with making the cost of education less onerous.

I don't know if someone who allows their loans to be forgiven is worth to be hired.  Doesn't say much about their commitment.
Title: Re: Billionaire commencement speaker to pay off student loans of entire class
Post by: Sanguine on May 19, 2019, 09:54:13 pm
I don't know if someone who allows their loans to be forgiven is worth to be hired.  Doesn't say much about their commitment.

They're not allowing them to be forgiven, the speaker is paying their loans off.
Title: Re: Billionaire commencement speaker to pay off student loans of entire class
Post by: jmyrlefuller on May 19, 2019, 10:00:55 pm
It's cheaper than actually employing them.
Title: Re: Billionaire commencement speaker to pay off student loans of entire class
Post by: Hoodat on May 19, 2019, 10:07:48 pm
Perhaps this gent, as well intentioned as he clearly is, should have worked with the school to endow it so that no accepted student needed to borrow for tuition any more.

Universities do not use their endowments to benefit students.  Case in point:  Harvard University.  With an endowment close to $40 billion, just the interest alone would cover the $50,000 tuition of all 22,000 students enrolled year after year after year.

Personally, I think this man was in a position to bless a lot of people, and he did.  And it was a generous gesture considering how badly the Obama administration screwed them over by monopolizing the student loan business.
Title: Re: Billionaire commencement speaker to pay off student loans of entire class
Post by: Bill Cipher on May 19, 2019, 10:08:07 pm
Wealth hath its privileges; buying an entire college graduating class is apparently one of them.
Title: Re: Billionaire commencement speaker to pay off student loans of entire class
Post by: txradioguy on May 19, 2019, 10:38:41 pm
That’s nice, but what about all the other classes before and after this one?

Not this guys problem.
Title: Re: Billionaire commencement speaker to pay off student loans of entire class
Post by: txradioguy on May 19, 2019, 10:39:12 pm
Wealth hath its privileges; buying an entire college graduating class is apparently one of them.

It’s called philanthropy. Look it up.
Title: Re: Billionaire commencement speaker to pay off student loans of entire class
Post by: jmyrlefuller on May 19, 2019, 11:09:09 pm
It’s called philanthropy. Look it up.
I can just see the tax write-off he's taking.
Title: Re: Billionaire commencement speaker to pay off student loans of entire class
Post by: Bill Cipher on May 20, 2019, 12:23:22 am
It’s called philanthropy. Look it up.

It’s called making yourself feel good.  Wealth hath its privileges.
Title: Re: Billionaire commencement speaker to pay off student loans of entire class
Post by: mountaineer on May 20, 2019, 12:28:50 am
Yeah, what's the point of helping people,  anyway.
Title: Re: Billionaire commencement speaker to pay off student loans of entire class
Post by: edpc on May 20, 2019, 12:35:30 am
I’ll bet his inbox is packed full of speaking invitations for 2020.
Title: Re: Billionaire commencement speaker to pay off student loans of entire class
Post by: EdJames on May 20, 2019, 12:40:20 am
I’ll bet his inbox is packed full of speaking invitations for 2020.

 888high58888
Title: Re: Billionaire commencement speaker to pay off student loans of entire class
Post by: sneakypete on May 20, 2019, 11:25:58 am
Good for him,and good for them!

In the interests of fair treatment and equality,I have to ask "What do any of you think the response would be if a white Billionaire had offered to pay the student loans off for white students at a 99 percent white college?

The lawsuits would be flying,the professional agitators known as "de Rev-Runs" would be leading protest marches,and white students would already been getting attacked on campus by now.
Title: Re: Billionaire commencement speaker to pay off student loans of entire class
Post by: sneakypete on May 20, 2019, 11:31:23 am
That’s nice, but what about all the other classes before and after this one?

@Bill Cipher

Seriously? You can't just accept this as the nice thing it is,and be glad for the ones that are benefiting?
Title: Re: Billionaire commencement speaker to pay off student loans of entire class
Post by: Night Hides Not on May 20, 2019, 01:22:32 pm
I hope those students can afford the tax bill that's coming.

They will not have a tax bill...Smith is paying off their student loans as a gift. He will be subject to gift tax on all gifts above $12K, or whatever the current threshhold is. It won't be forgiveness of debt to the students.



Title: Re: Billionaire commencement speaker to pay off student loans of entire class
Post by: Hoodat on May 20, 2019, 01:28:45 pm
@Bill Cipher

Seriously? You can't just accept this as the nice thing it is,and be glad for the ones that are benefiting?

It's called 'envy'.
Title: Re: Billionaire commencement speaker to pay off student loans of entire class
Post by: Cyber Liberty on May 20, 2019, 01:42:53 pm
That’s nice, but what about all the other classes before and after this one?

What about them?  Maybe we should prohibit philanthropists from helping people if they can't afford to help all the people.  That's pretty collectivist, don't you think?

I'm glad he did it, it beats the heck out of the Rats' plans to use taxpayer money to take from blue-collar workers to subsidize white-collar students.
Title: Re: Billionaire commencement speaker to pay off student loans of entire class
Post by: Wingnut on May 20, 2019, 01:43:02 pm
It's cheaper than actually employing them.

It does add an incentive for the grads to take some time off and "find themselves" as they used to say when A person was too lazy to look for a job.
Title: Re: Billionaire commencement speaker to pay off student loans of entire class
Post by: Cyber Liberty on May 20, 2019, 01:45:31 pm
It's called 'envy'.

That particular brand of envy can only be sated by taking money from others by force.  I call it "collectivism."
Title: Re: Billionaire commencement speaker to pay off student loans of entire class
Post by: Cyber Liberty on May 20, 2019, 01:47:04 pm
It does add an incentive for the grads to take some time off and "find themselves" as they used to say when A person was too lazy to look for a job.

It's like what I heard Warren Buffet's son said the other day:  Dad gave us plenty of money...enough to do something but not enough to do nothing.
Title: Re: Billionaire commencement speaker to pay off student loans of entire class
Post by: txradioguy on May 20, 2019, 02:18:29 pm
It’s called making yourself feel good.  Wealth hath its privileges.

Someone's jealous.  It's Obviously not a good look on you
Title: Re: Billionaire commencement speaker to pay off student loans of entire class
Post by: Idiot on May 20, 2019, 02:23:49 pm
I’ll bet his inbox is packed full of speaking invitations for 2020.
Quote of the day right there...…...lololol. @edpc
Title: Re: Billionaire commencement speaker to pay off student loans of entire class
Post by: Sanguine on May 20, 2019, 02:40:24 pm
I don't think this is a tax write-off either, so he's not even benefiting from that. 
Title: Re: Billionaire commencement speaker to pay off student loans of entire class
Post by: goatprairie on May 20, 2019, 09:21:46 pm
It does add an incentive for the grads to take some time off and "find themselves" as they used to say when A person was too lazy to look for a job.
One of my step-daughters worked her way through law school sometimes working two or three jobs during the summer.
She knew a number of trust-fund babies at her LS who were perplexed at her having to work to get through school.
She asked some of them what they were going to do during the summer off. Golf, sailing, etc. Certainly not working.
And a number of them, even after they got their law degree, decided to take time off and "find themselves."
Title: Re: Billionaire commencement speaker to pay off student loans of entire class
Post by: Sanguine on May 20, 2019, 09:24:19 pm
One of my step-daughters worked her way through law school sometimes working two or three jobs during the summer.
She knew a number of trust-fund babies at her LS who were perplexed at her having to work to get through school.
She asked some of them what they were going to do during the summer off. Golf, sailing, etc. Certainly not working.
And a number of them, even after they got their law degree, decided to take time off and "find themselves."

And, they will never get as much meaning out of life as she will.  And, they will never understand why.
Title: Re: Billionaire commencement speaker to pay off student loans of entire class
Post by: txradioguy on May 20, 2019, 10:03:33 pm
That particular brand of envy can only be sated by taking money from others by force.  I call it "collectivism."

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs"

@Cyber Liberty
Title: Re: Billionaire commencement speaker to pay off student loans of entire class
Post by: mountaineer on May 20, 2019, 10:23:04 pm
One of my step-daughters worked her way through law school sometimes working two or three jobs during the summer.
She knew a number of trust-fund babies at her LS who were perplexed at her having to work to get through school.
I was kind of like your stepdaughter. It was essential to find work during the summers in order to fund my law school education (which I wish I'd never wasted the time and money to pursue). I eventually had to borrow $6,000 (before adding interest) to make it through - and paid off the student loan within a few years after graduation, even though my first few jobs - with county and state government - paid well under $25,000.
Title: Re: Billionaire commencement speaker to pay off student loans of entire class
Post by: Cyber Liberty on May 20, 2019, 10:34:35 pm
"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs"

@Cyber Liberty

Zackly.  I've noticed the only people who have trouble with this are on the left.  :shrug:
Title: Re: Billionaire commencement speaker to pay off student loans of entire class
Post by: mountaineer on May 20, 2019, 10:44:56 pm
Babylon Bee:
Quote
Bernie Sanders Criticizes Billionaire For Giving Money To Students Instead Of The Needy Federal Government
May 20th, 2019

... Sanders pointed to the egregious waste of funds as a perfect example of what happens when billionaires are allowed to keep their money.

"Why does this evil billionaire think he knows what's best for his money when clearly the incredibly efficient federal government could put it to better use?" Sanders said at a rally Monday. "This is just another example of corrupt billionaires hoarding their money instead of using it for the greater good by giving it to the government."  ...
Full story (https://babylonbee.com/news/bernie-sanders-criticizes-billionaire-for-giving-money-to-students-instead-of-to-the-government)   :whistle:
Title: Re: Billionaire commencement speaker to pay off student loans of entire class
Post by: Cyber Liberty on May 20, 2019, 11:06:04 pm
Babylon Bee:Full story (https://babylonbee.com/news/bernie-sanders-criticizes-billionaire-for-giving-money-to-students-instead-of-to-the-government)   :whistle:

See!  LOL!  close to true.

Too bad it's satire, but a lot of satire is close to true.
Title: Re: Billionaire commencement speaker to pay off student loans of entire class
Post by: InHeavenThereIsNoBeer on May 20, 2019, 11:08:50 pm
Babylon Bee:Full story (https://babylonbee.com/news/bernie-sanders-criticizes-billionaire-for-giving-money-to-students-instead-of-to-the-government)   :whistle:

Clearly satire.  The Bern would never use phrases like "his money" or "their money".
Title: Re: Billionaire commencement speaker to pay off student loans of entire class
Post by: goatprairie on May 21, 2019, 02:46:16 am
I was kind of like your stepdaughter. It was essential to find work during the summers in order to fund my law school education (which I wish I'd never wasted the time and money to pursue). I eventually had to borrow $6,000 (before adding interest) to make it through - and paid off the student loan within a few years after graduation, even though my first few jobs - with county and state government - paid well under $25,000.
My step-daughter also took the first law job available after graduation. The job didn't pay much, but it was a start.
She's now 40 and owns her law firm. She knows a number of grads in her class who never got started. They were waiting for the offers from the Big Firms they were sure would come their way.  They're still waiting.
Title: Re: Billionaire commencement speaker to pay off student loans of entire class
Post by: sneakypete on May 21, 2019, 04:10:50 am
It's called 'envy'.

@Hoodat

That's one word that can be used. I can think of several more that might not be as appropriate on a public board.
Title: Re: Billionaire commencement speaker to pay off student loans of entire class
Post by: verga on May 21, 2019, 05:10:09 pm
Because they are worse off simply because of the caprice of one wealthy person; someone who, quite honestly, is exercising the very real privileges that wealth brings (as compared to the phony, no existent privileges supposedly associated with being white).

The point is, he isn’t accomplishing much other than making himself feel good because the objects of his largesse are limited to one random group of people. 

It’s a nice thing to do, but it’s also got nothing to do with making the cost of education less onerous.
No their condition is exactly the same as it was last week, last month, last year. The condition of someone else has no bearing on their condition. You need to get some serious therapy.