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I keep hearing that Trump is a friend of Russia, and it is always said as if that is a terrible thing. I am only asking Why?
Why is it so terrible if Russia is a friend of our President? I would love that. I do not see the problem that the Liberal Stalinist Moeist do?
They love every Communist in history except Putin, because Putin may be a friend of Trump.
I cannot figure it out. Does the Left love Russia, or do they hate Russia? My whole life I thought the hippies were all in the Che Guevara Communist camp. I don't know?
Now, suddenly Russia is a bad thing? If Russia loves Trump, then I love him too. I do not see the problem.
Back in the USSR!
Long Live Che! Long Live Trump!
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Uh huh.
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Countries don't really have friends, that's just a publicity term. Countries have interests and the question comes up is if the said country is working for our interest of against it.
Answer that and you'll understand why Putin is dangerous.
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I keep hearing that Trump is a friend of Russia, and it is always said as if that is a terrible thing. I am only asking Why?
Trump himself asks the same question and it certainly begs the question which side of the WOT the United States is really on these days.
Americans get intentionally fed a lot of propaganda from the government via corporate news media, which is quite different from what is really taking place.
The "news" from Aleppo is a good example of how this type of propaganda reinforces an anti-Russian mindset
Trump sees past the bullsh!t that surrounds western anti-Russian propaganda and calls it out, which is one reason the DC establishment hates him.
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Once again, Trump doesn't measure up against Russia and Putin.
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Oh dear that is priceless. :silly:
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Russia sucks. Didn't you watch Rocky 4?
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Not much. This is one thing I agree with the Trumpkins on. Liberals are the enemy, not Russia.
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Then by all accounts, Reagan was a "Friend" of Russia.
I remember all of the Hawks that slammed Reagan at the time for going to Rejkjavik to talk to Gorby. How dare he talk with the leader of the "Evil Empire".
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I keep hearing that Trump is a friend of Russia, and it is always said as if that is a terrible thing. I am only asking Why?
Why is it so terrible if Russia is a friend of our President? I would love that. I do not see the problem that the Liberal Stalinist Moeist do?
They love every Communist in history except Putin, because Putin may be a friend of Trump.
I cannot figure it out. Does the Left love Russia, or do they hate Russia? My whole life I thought the hippies were all in the Che Guevara Communist camp. I don't know?
Now, suddenly Russia is a bad thing? If Russia loves Trump, then I love him too. I do not see the problem.
Back in the USSR!
Long Live Che! Long Live Trump!
There is a myth on the right that Russia is our friend. Nothing could be further from the truth, Russia is our enemy and they will do anything in thier power to ultimately defeat the US. I've been in Russia and with few exceptions the average Russian hates Americans. Additionally I have run into the Russian state sponsored Mafia throughout the world and they make the Mexican Mafia look like chior boys and the US mafia is not even close.
Putin and Russia are our enemy..
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There is a myth on the right that Russia is our friend. Nothing could be further from the truth, Russia is our enemy and they will do anything in thier power to ultimately defeat the US. I've been in Russia and with few exceptions the average Russian hates Americans. Additionally I have run into the Russian state sponsored Mafia throughout the world and they make the Mexican Mafia look like chior boys and the US mafia is not even close.
Putin and Russia are our enemy..
We don't have "friends", only interests, and sometimes our interests and Russia's match. And even today, the average Russian actually still admires Reagan, because they found out what he had said about the Soviet Union was the Truth.
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I remember all of the Hawks that slammed Reagan at the time for going to Rejkjavik to talk to Gorby. How dare he talk with the leader of the "Evil Empire".
Reagan took heat for his strategic defense initiative as well, especially the idea that once the technology was developed it would be shared with the Soviets so both sides would have parity.
Much of the progress from the Reagan years has been undone, to the point where British MPs are suggesting a shooting war with Russia over the civil war in Syria.
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Countries don't really have friends, that's just a publicity term. Countries have interests and the question comes up is if the said country is working for our interest of against it.
Answer that and you'll understand why Putin is dangerous.
We had a chance to bring Russia into the fold after the End of the Cold War. But Bush with his "New World Order", and Clinton with his recklessness in the Balkans, squandered the victory that Reagan had given them.
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We had a chance to bring Russia into the fold after the End of the Cold War. But Bush with his "New World Order", and Clinton with his recklessness in the Balkans, squandered the victory that Reagan had given them.
Yes. Whatever were the particulars, we passed on a golden opportunity.
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Oh dear that is priceless. :silly:
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Trumps going to bring Russia back into the hold
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We had a chance to bring Russia into the fold after the End of the Cold War. But Bush with his "New World Order", and Clinton with his recklessness in the Balkans, squandered the victory that Reagan had given them.
Piffle. What happened to Russia after the Cold War was an internal collapse, and a power vacuum that was filled by those who were powerful and ruthless enough to fill it. There was little that the West could have done, other than what it did do -- for better and worse -- mainly in the form of international commerce.
The fact that the vacuum was filled by the likes of Putin and other functionaries of the previous regime, is only to be expected. What we see now in Russia is what every generation in the past several centuries has seen in Russia.
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Yes. Whatever were the particulars, we passed on a golden opportunity.
I think Reagan would have taken a much different approach than Bush. But Bush thought, "Hey were the only Superpower, we can do whatever we want." And Clinton continued that way.
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The fact that the vacuum was filled by the likes of Putin and other functionaries of the previous regime, is only to be expected.
Except that isn't what happened at all. Gorbachev led to Yeltsin and only after the interventionist cartel bombed Serbia did an old KGB hand appear on the scene.
Even then, it wasn't until the piffling global interventionists decided to carve themselves an even big slice of eastern Europe that Russia began to push back.
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Except that isn't what happened at all. Gorbachev led to Yeltsin and only after the interventionist cartel bombed Serbia did an old KGB hand appear on the scene.
Even then, it wasn't until the piffling global interventionists decided to carve themselves an even big slice of eastern Europe that Russia began to push back.
Double piffle. Whether you agree with the policy or not, a strong US, and to a lesser extent a strong Europe, kept the Russians somewhat contained. The current vacuum is emboldening the Russians.
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Double piffle. Whether you agree with the policy or not, a strong US, and to a lesser extent a strong Europe, kept the Russians somewhat contained. The current vacuum is emboldening the Russians.
How did going into Kosovo contain the Russians?
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Double piffle. Whether you agree with the policy or not, a strong US, and to a lesser extent a strong Europe, kept the Russians somewhat contained. The current vacuum is emboldening the Russians.
What I said "piffle" to is the comment that Russia's current malfeasance had much at all to do with the supposed failures of Bush I, Clinton, or even Bush II. The current vacuum is mainly due to the fecklessness of Obama, Clinton, and Kerry.
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What I said "piffle" to is the comment that Russia's current malfeasance had much at all to do with the supposed failures of Bush I, Clinton, or even Bush II. The current vacuum is mainly due to the fecklessness of Obama, Clinton, and Kerry.
You do realize how close we came to war with Russia in Kosovo? That's why the Russians don't want Hillary. In fact, I think all their blathering is a way to send a message to Hillary, that there will be no Kosovos this time.
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Russia's tyrannical government wants to defeat the US while invading neighboring countries.
Let's not "make friends" with dictators
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Except that isn't what happened at all. Gorbachev led to Yeltsin and only after the interventionist cartel bombed Serbia did an old KGB hand appear on the scene.
Even then, it wasn't until the piffling global interventionists decided to carve themselves an even big slice of eastern Europe that Russia began to push back.
Nope.
The collapse had been coming for years, began in earnest with Gorbachev and accelerated with Yeltsin, and Russia for quite a while was on the brink of anarchy. That had nothing to do with "interventionist cartels" (which is a fancy way of saying "neocon," which is also stupid), and everything to do with the total and inevitable collapse of the communist government and economy.
The subsequent reassertion of power by the "Russian Oligarchs" and the likes of Putin, was predictable because it's how Russia has always been. The question of how to deal with their attempts to re-establish "Old Russia" is not an easy one, especially as it deals with a kind of power projection that was supposedly rendered obsolete a century ago.
The confluence of Putin's brand of hard-nosed power politics, and Obama's brand of talk-heavy and sophomoric narcissism, naturally favors Putin. Interestingly, Hillary Clinton's brand of corrupt and self-serving criminality is probably closest to Putin's approach, although he'll steam-roll her just as effectively as he has Obama and Kerry. Trump would get mad, and just try to tweet him to death....
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You do realize how close we came to war with Russia in Kosovo? That's why the Russians don't want Hillary. In fact, I think all their blathering is a way to send a message to Hillary, that there will be no Kosovos this time.
I do know. Clinton overstepped there, and made a huge mistake by trying to assert military influence in a region that Russia has long considered to the "theirs." But Clinton's rationale for being there in the first place had more to do with the political optics of "preventing genocide," as he had failed to do in Rwanda. There were certainly other geopolitical factors at play, including a sense of keeping Russia contained. But that's the kind of power play that Putin understands, and respects.
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I do know. Clinton overstepped there, and made a huge mistake by trying to assert military influence in a region that Russia has long considered to the "theirs." But Clinton's rationale for being there in the first place had more to do with the political optics of "preventing genocide," as he had failed to do in Rwanda. There were certainly other geopolitical factors at play, including a sense of keeping Russia contained. But that's the kind of power play that Putin understands, and respects.
It was also about establishing a base for Wahabbism in Europe on behalf of our Saudi masters.
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I keep hearing that Trump is a friend of Russia, and it is always said as if that is a terrible thing. I am only asking Why?
Ask the question after Trump releases his tax returns. I want to know how much of the financing for his businesses is coming from Russian oligarchs. The problem with Trump and Russia, until proven otherwise, is a basic problem of a conflict of interest.
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Ask the question after Trump releases his tax returns. I want to know how much of the financing for his businesses is coming from Russian oligarchs. The problem with Trump and Russia, until proven otherwise, is a basic problem of a conflict of interest.
I could ask that same question of Hillary as well.
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We had a chance to bring Russia into the fold after the End of the Cold War. But Bush with his "New World Order", and Clinton with his recklessness in the Balkans, squandered the victory that Reagan had given them.
100% correct, and now we will paid the price for their stupidity. We better hope Hillary is defeated or you might very well need very strong sun block. Russia will go to war over Syria and so will Hillary.
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Ask the question after Trump releases his tax returns. I want to know how much of the financing for his businesses is coming from Russian oligarchs. The problem with Trump and Russia, until proven otherwise, is a basic problem of a conflict of interest.
You can't argue that Obama and Hillary are the best gifts the Russians could have ever gotten.
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Corporations own our politicians,and Russia refuses to allow them to control politics in Russia. Which means they don't get a taste of any business deal that goes down there.
Russia has a history of inviting them in to build plants,and once they get product rolling off the assembly lines,either tossing them out on their asses,or just killing them and then taking over.
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Corporations own our politicians,and Russia refuses to allow them to control politics in Russia. Which means they don't get a taste of any business deal that goes down there.
Russia has a history of inviting them in to build plants,and once they get product rolling off the assembly lines,either tossing them out on their asses,or just killing them and then taking over.
I don't think there are any Russians
And there ain't no Yanks
Just corporate criminals
Playing with tanks
The Call- The Walls Came Down
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I keep hearing that Trump is a friend of Russia, and it is always said as if that is a terrible thing. I am only asking Why?
Why is it so terrible if Russia is a friend of our President? I would love that. I do not see the problem that the Liberal Stalinist Moeist do?
They love every Communist in history except Putin, because Putin may be a friend of Trump.
I cannot figure it out. Does the Left love Russia, or do they hate Russia? My whole life I thought the hippies were all in the Che Guevara Communist camp. I don't know?
Now, suddenly Russia is a bad thing? If Russia loves Trump, then I love him too. I do not see the problem.
Back in the USSR!
Long Live Che! Long Live Trump!
@240B
The short story is that not only is Russia no longer a Communist state,they hate and mistrust communists now that that are Fascists. Very few people have more historic reason for hating and fearing "Collective Corporatism" (HEY! I am claiming rights to a new phrase I just coined!) than the Russians.
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Not much. This is one thing I agree with the Trumpkins on. Liberals are the enemy, not Russia.
@Weird Tolkienish Figure
So,you hate people like Thomas Jefferson?
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@240B
The short story is that not only is Russia no longer a Communist state,they hate and mistrust communists now that that are Fascists. Very few people have more historic reason for hating and fearing "Collective Corporatism" (HEY! I am claiming rights to a new phrase I just coined!) than the Russians.
Today's Russia more closely compares with Tsarist Russia than the Soviet Union. And US-Russian relations under the Czars were cordial. Heck they even sold Alaska to us.
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Nothing wrong with being friends with Russell.
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@Weird Tolkienish Figure
So,you hate people like Thomas Jefferson?
The Communists hijacked the term "Liberal". But you knew that.
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And US-Russian relations under the Czars were cordial.
That's because in a foreign policy/military sense we only knew them from a distance, as opposed to their being right next door to us. That situation no longer exists -- our and their interests can and do come into more direct conflict now, since both nations have global ambitions and responsibilities.
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There is a myth on the right that Russia is our friend. Nothing could be further from the truth,<<
As has been said before,"Countries don't have friends. They have allies of convenience."
>>Russia is our enemy and they will do anything in thier power to ultimately defeat the US. I've been in Russia and with few exceptions the average Russian hates Americans. <<
You must have been there after Clinton and Gore finished robbing their treasury and stealing World Bank money from them. I went there a couple of times in the early 90's,and with only 1 exception (a really old guy in Moscow wearing WW-2 medals on his suit coat) everybody was thrilled to meet me and couldn't do enough for me. Never been treated better anywhere I went.
Which makes sense. If we were to get rid of OUR corrupt officials like Russia got rid of theirs,we would be the ideal allies for each other to prevent the coming Azian economic and political takeover.
>>Additionally I have run into the Russian state sponsored Mafia throughout the world and they make the Mexican Mafia look like chior boys and the US mafia is not even close.<<
I ran into a couple in Russia,and while there can be no doubt they are brutal,they sure weren't very smart. I ended up chasing one down the street in Moscow,with Russians smiling and applauding. SOB ran a red light in his Mercedes and almost ran over me and a bunch of other people. I screamed a few choice obscenities at him and he stopped his car and got out to approach me,most likely figuring I was scared of a Russian in a Mercedes. When I started running at him instead of away from him,he panicked and forgot to even get back in his car and drive off. SOB ran right past the open door and was high-stepping it down the sidewalk. Scared the HELL out of the Russian woman I was with.
Like all other weasels,they can be dangerous when they are in a pack and you are helpless,though.
>>Putin and Russia are our enemy..<<
No,WE are THEIR enemy,thanks to Clinton corruption.
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And as I said earlier, Russians still like Reagan, and respect him.
I think Reagan had he been allowed to stay in office would have figured out a way to bring Russia closer to the West. Bush blew it.
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Putin wants to recreate the Soviet Union.
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Putin wants to recreate the Soviet Union.
No he doesn't. They aren't even going to commemorate the 100-year anniversary of The Bolshevik Revolution next year.
If anything, he'd love to install himself as the new Tsar.
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Piffle. What happened to Russia after the Cold War was an internal collapse, and a power vacuum that was filled by those who were powerful and ruthless enough to fill it. There was little that the West could have done, other than what it did do -- for better and worse -- mainly in the form of international commerce.
The fact that the vacuum was filled by the likes of Putin and other functionaries of the previous regime, is only to be expected. What we see now in Russia is what every generation in the past several centuries has seen in Russia.
@r9etb
If you really believe all that,you just weren't paying attention.
I forget now how many billions of World Bank grants that Gore and Clinton stole from Russian accounts,but I THINK it was around 10. Believe it or not,but all the World Bank money that was supposed to have gone to feed,clothe,and house Russians after their economy collapsed was funneled through a bank in NYC,and Goober Gore was actually put in place to head it up. Once all those missing billions became apparent,there was an investigation into what happened to the money,and neither Gore nor ANY of the Dim banking advisors hired to help him manage it were found at fault for any of it. The ENTIRE blame was put on a Russian woman in her 30's that spoke English and was based at the bank in NYC as the Russia rep.
IRRC,she was found guilty and given a sentence,but I strongly suspect she only served a very short sentence and is living somewhere on her own private island by this time. Seemed obvious to me she was paid to be the desiginated "Fall guy" to take the blame to keep investigations away from the bankers that were backing Goober,and Co.
I can't believe any sane and honest person would even hire Goober to manage a church Bingo game,never mind control billions of dollars.
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Putin wants to recreate the Soviet Union.
Putin has said numerous times the Soviet era was bad for Russia and it was a mistake.
I agree with @dfwgator, he want to be the new Czar.
@geronl
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Putin has said numerous times the Soviet era was bad for Russia and it was a mistake.
I agree with @dfwgator, he want to be the new Czar.
@geronl
A lot of people get caught up in the praise he gave to Stalin. But, Russians don't view Stalin as a Communist, they think of him more in terms of Stalin's hero, Ivan the Terrible. A ruthless leader who nonetheless repelled the invader and made Russia a great power.
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You do realize how close we came to war with Russia in Kosovo? That's why the Russians don't want Hillary. In fact, I think all their blathering is a way to send a message to Hillary, that there will be no Kosovos this time.
@dfwgator
The Russians don't want Bubbette! because they are WELL aware of the Clinton strong arm tactics and greed.
Go to the archives of the St.Petersburg Times (Russian) right before the G7 economic summit there that Clinton showed up for a week early,and see what they have to say.
ONE of the things they wrote about was missing supplies paid for with World Bank Grant money to buy food,heating oil,and clothes for the upcoming winter,and how the checks had been written and none of it had shown up.
Another that I remember well was tired to Tyson's Chicken. The Russian press (and our own press has NEVER been as free as the Russian press of the early 90's) wrote about how up to 40 percent of the Tyson's Chicken ordered and paid for with World Bank money was arriving in Russia rotten,and how when the Russian officials threatened Tyson with no more World Grant chicken buys unless they refunded the money paid for spoiled chicken and threatened to not order any more from them unless they complied,Clinton showed up and threatened Yeltsin with a total shut down of World Bank money unless the Russian government renewed the Tyson Chicken contract.
Don't forget,at that time the typical Russia was honestly on the verge of facing possible starvation or freezing to death that winter if the World Bank money supply was closed down. There were old people sleeping on park benches in the snow in November when I was there. They had rented out their apartments to "the new mafiya" in order to get the money to eat. Just a year or two earlier 1 Ruble had the purchasing power of 1 US Dollar because the Soviets kept it artificially pumped up so the people would feel secure,and suddenly,literally overnight,it took over 5,000 Rubles to buy ONE Dollar's worth of goods. You can imagine what that did to life saving in a country where that was the only investment that was legal.
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I went there a couple of times in the early 90's,and with only 1 exception (a really old guy in Moscow wearing WW-2 medals on his suit coat) everybody was thrilled to meet me and couldn't do enough for me. Never been treated better anywhere I went.
Russia in the 1990's is far different than Putin's Russia today. They are our enemy and Putin wants to reestablish them as a world power as do the Russian people. There may be a few areas of interest but frankly I can't see very few as their primary goal in international affairs is to hinder US interests and advance their own.
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Nope.
The collapse had been coming for years, began in earnest with Gorbachev and accelerated with Yeltsin, and Russia for quite a while was on the brink of anarchy. That had nothing to do with "interventionist cartels" (which is a fancy way of saying "neocon," which is also stupid), and everything to do with the total and inevitable collapse of the communist government and economy.
The subsequent reassertion of power by the "Russian Oligarchs" and the likes of Putin, was predictable because it's how Russia has always been. The question of how to deal with their attempts to re-establish "Old Russia" is not an easy one, especially as it deals with a kind of power projection that was supposedly rendered obsolete a century ago.
The confluence of Putin's brand of hard-nosed power politics, and Obama's brand of talk-heavy and sophomoric narcissism, naturally favors Putin. Interestingly, Hillary Clinton's brand of corrupt and self-serving criminality is probably closest to Putin's approach, although he'll steam-roll her just as effectively as he has Obama and Kerry. Trump would get mad, and just try to tweet him to death....
@r9etb
There is no talk of establishing "Old Russia". That's pure crap that was flushed down the toilet long ago. Russia,and Putin,are now fascists,not communists. Their beef with the globalist assholes that control our country is the same beef the same globalist western assholes that fed you that POV. They don't want competition. The prime difference is the Russians want to control Russia,which is no walk in the park,and the western globalist fascist bastards want to control the world.
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I could ask that same question of Hillary as well.
Yeah,but you would get even less of an answer because the majority of her money will never see a western bank,never mind the eyes of the IRS.
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I remember as an avid shortwave radio listener back then, listening to Radio Moscow. They were so hard up for money, they lent their studios to outside groups.
I remember listening to one of those broadcasts, it was some dude singing in Japanese and saying something about "The Truth".
Well turns out, that guy was Shoko Asahara, the leader of Aum Shinrikyo, the cult that was responsible for the Ricin-attack in the Tokyo subway.
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A lot of people get caught up in the praise he gave to Stalin. But, Russians don't view Stalin as a Communist, they think of him more in terms of Stalin's hero, Ivan the Terrible. A ruthless leader who nonetheless repelled the invader and made Russia a great power.
Many people in Germany are starting to look at Hitler the same way. Not the Holocaust of course but his rebuilding the military, making Germany a world power, making it a economic powerhouse, building national pride etc.
A film was made a few years back(He Is Back) in Germany about Hitler waking up from a coma, and coming back into power. The book was also a best seller.
The guy who played Hitler said he was amazed at the number of people who came up to him while he was in garb and said they wished Hitler was back in power...people from all walks of life, economic status and ages. Germans took selfies with him and praised him
@dfwgator
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The Communists hijacked the term "Liberal". But you knew that.
@dfwgator
And that means WE are going to allow them to continue to get away with it,and poison even more young minds with the idea that a collective dictatorship is what the Founding Fathers of this country went to war with England to achieve?
Words mean things.
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Many people in Germany are starting to look at Hitler the same way. Not the Holocaust of course but his rebuilding the military, making Germany a world power, making it a economic powerhouse, building national pride etc.
A film was made a few years back(He Is Back) in Germany about Hitler waking up from a coma, and coming back into power. The book was also a best seller.
The guy who played Hitler said he was amazed at the number of people who came up to him while he was in garb and said they wished Hitler was back in power...people from all walks of life, economic status and ages. Germans took selfies with him and praised him
@dfwgator
I would like to remind the Germans that Hitler was a big fan of Islam.
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Russia in the 1990's is far different than Putin's Russia today. They are our enemy and Putin wants to reestablish them as a world power as do the Russian people. There may be a few areas of interest but frankly I can't see very few as their primary goal in international affairs is to hinder US interests and advance their own.
They're our rival, certainly, and that could easily escalate into outright enmity. The best comparison I can think of, is the international balance of power as it stood in the late 1800s.
But it's not really a new Cold War, yet.
Unfortunately, the conditions are certainly there for a new Cold (hopefully) War to take place, as Russia moves into the many areas where Obama has squandered our influence, or has failed to recognize the nature of what's at stake in places like Syria. An idiot (i.e., Obama, Clinton, or Trump) could easily escalate a tense situation.
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I would like to remind the Germans that Hitler was a big fan of Islam.
He was fan on how it controlled the people-not the religious aspect. Yeah he just used them..would never let them in power. He thought the Arabs were subhuman
German citizens shaking actor Hitler's hand and begging for him to come back.. in He is Back.
Never would have happened 20 years ago..German people are no longer embarrassed of Hitler.
(https://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/hitler-5.png)
@dfwgator
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And as I said earlier, Russians still like Reagan, and respect him.
I think Reagan had he been allowed to stay in office would have figured out a way to bring Russia closer to the West. Bush blew it.
@dfwgator
Bush didn't "blow it". He did exactly what his masters wanted done,and why not,since he believes in Corporate Fascism as the idea model for a World Government. In fact,I have been predicting for several years now that when it happens,the world will be divided into economic zones governed locally by appointed boards,and the world government would be known as "World Wide Government,Inc",and that it would be ran by a corporate board of international bankers.
Don't forget,Poppy was the evil bastard that sent his uncles to China to open the US/Chinese Chamber of Commerce so that Hillary Clinton,sitting on the board at Wal-Mart,could start importing cheap Chinese crap into the US. He was also responsible for setting up the deals to sell US military and private technology to the Chinese.
Also,don't forget that it was Boy Jorge who shut down all the investigations into Clinton/China corruption the first week he sat in the WH. He had to do it because he knew it would lead back to his own family,and they had already taken a hit during WW-2 for laundering Nazi money.
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@dfwgator
Bush didn't "blow it". He did exactly what his masters wanted done,and why not,since he believes in Corporate Fascism as the idea model for a World Government. In fact,I have been predicting for several years now that when it happens,the world will be divided into economic zones governed locally by appointed boards,and the world government would be known as "World Wide Government,Inc",and that it would be ran by a corporate board of international bankers.
"And now....our Corporate Anthem." - Rollerball
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He was fan on how it controlled the people-not the religious aspect. Yeah he just used them..would never let them in power. He thought the Arabs were subhuman
German citizens shaking actor Hitler's hand and begging for him to come back.. in He is Back.
Never would have happened 20 years ago..German people are no longer embarrassed of Hitler.
(https://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/hitler-5.png)
@dfwgator
Hitler thought Christianity was too soft of a religion for soldiers, and that Islam rewarded the soldier. And it's true that he thought Arabs were subhuman, he suggests that had the Muslims won at Tours, and took over Europe, the Germans, because of their genetic superiority would become the standard-bearers of Islam and conquer the world.
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"And now....our Corporate Anthem." - Rollerball
Might as well use it. It's appropriate and saves working up a new one.
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The Russian leaders absolutely hate the US and want to marginalize us
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The Russian leaders absolutely hate the US and want to marginalize us
Nah, they just want to get rich.
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The Russian leaders absolutely hate the US and want to marginalize us
Hate is fine, so long as they also understand that we're willing and able to stand up to them. What's worse, is that Obama has taught them to hold us in contempt: they've allowed the Russians to marginalize us without penalty.
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@Weird Tolkienish Figure
So,you hate people like Thomas Jefferson?
Liberals will overrun this country with 3rd worlders from within. Russians do not have that power.
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Liberals will overrun this country with 3rd worlders from within. Russians do not have that power.
Russia pretty much is a 3rd world country already
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Russia pretty much is a 3rd world country already
SMH Hardly
(http://personal.psu.edu/users/c/a/cam6201/Russiaproject/modern-moscow.jpg)
@geronl
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Sorry about starting a thread and then abandoning it. I fell asleep literally right after I hit send. Thought I would let sit overnight and get it in the morning. I'm still reading through the posts and trying to catch up. Very impressed with everyone so far. I have an urge to reply to almost every one. I'm in and out today but will get to this after work. I actually have a lot to say about this from Arctic drilling claims to nuclear buildup to Crimea. Wish I had the time.
Just didn't want you all to think I ran away.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLH1x_SGAL4
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Russia pretty much is a 3rd world country already
Doesn't change my statement.
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Unfortunately, the conditions are certainly there for a new Cold (hopefully) War to take place, as Russia moves into the many areas where Obama has squandered our influence, or has failed to recognize the nature of what's at stake in places like Syria.
The United States has no vital national security interests in Syria, there's nothing at stake there at all. :nono:
What you're peddling is global interventionist bull crap plain and simple.
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The United States has no vital national security interests in Syria, there's nothing at stake there at all. :nono:
What you're peddling is global interventionist bull crap plain and simple.
And what you're peddling is some strange amalgam of the foreign policy theories of Pat Buchanan and Barack Obama.
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@r9etb
There is no talk of establishing "Old Russia". That's pure crap that was flushed down the toilet long ago. Russia,and Putin,are now fascists,not communists.
You're thinking of the USSR. But we're suggesting that Putin is more interested in establishing something like the "Old Russia" under the Czars -- with him, of course, as the Czar. Certainly his actions suggest something of the sort.
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The United States has no vital national security interests in Syria, there's nothing at stake there at all. :nono:
What you're peddling is global interventionist bull crap plain and simple.
Did I fall asleep the day Congress voted to send us to Syria?
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I keep hearing that Trump is a friend of Russia, and it is always said as if that is a terrible thing. I am only asking Why?
Why is it so terrible if Russia is a friend of our President? I would love that. I do not see the problem that the Liberal Stalinist Moeist do?
They love every Communist in history except Putin, because Putin may be a friend of Trump.
I cannot figure it out. Does the Left love Russia, or do they hate Russia? My whole life I thought the hippies were all in the Che Guevara Communist camp. I don't know?
Now, suddenly Russia is a bad thing? If Russia loves Trump, then I love him too. I do not see the problem.
Back in the USSR!
Long Live Che! Long Live Trump!
Ask Hungary and Poland **nononono* **nononono* **nononono*
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Did I fall asleep the day Congress voted to send us to Syria?
We're one misdirected air strike away from a hot war in Syria, a country in which the United States has no vital interest.
But American energy self sufficiency has 'dangerous' geopolitical consequences... :thud:
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Russia pretty much is a 3rd world country already
@geronl
Never been there,have you?
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And what you're peddling is some strange amalgam of the foreign policy theories of Pat Buchanan and Barack Obama.
@r9etb @Longmire
Ok,so tell us why we should give a damn about Syria,one way or another.
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You're thinking of the USSR. But we're suggesting that Putin is more interested in establishing something like the "Old Russia" under the Czars -- with him, of course, as the Czar. Certainly his actions suggest something of the sort.
@r9etb
Ok,the Czar thing I can not only go along with,but will add it was what needed to be done to prevent total anarchy in Russia.
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@r9etb @Longmire
Ok,so tell us why we should give a damn about Syria,one way or another.
1. We don't want Islamofascist nutjobs in control of the Suez Canal
2. We don't want Islamofascist nutjobs in control of the Middle East oil supply
3. We don't want Islamofascist nutjobs to overrun Israel, our ally, and only sane country in the region
4. We also don't want Russian hegemony over the region, although Putin seems to be establishing that due to Obama's ineptitude.
5. We don't want Europe beholden to the Islamofascist nutjobs through oil or access to the Suez Canal, nor do we want them subject to Russia for the same reasons.
6. The only plausible way to keep Iran hemmed in, is to have allies, influence, and outright footholds in the countries surrounding it.
7. Like it or not, only the US has the means to keep the region somewhat stable, and that stability has been sacrificed to satisfy Obama's sophomoric ideas.
And Syria seems to be the key to the whole deal. So of course we care.
We could go on to discuss Chinese interests in the region as well, but surely you get the idea.
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Assad's a lot of things, an Islamo-Fascist isn't one of them.
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it was what needed to be done to prevent total anarchy in Russia.
It was certainly one way to do it, and certainly in keeping with Russian history and culture. So perhaps it was the only way to achieve it.
But stabilizing Russia was only the first part. What we now see is a different phase: an expansionist policy not unlike what Russia was doing in the run-up to the First World War. The roots of that are partly a desire to restore what the Soviets had done; and partly it's Putin's own ambitions as a hegemon.
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Assad's a lot of things, an Islamo-Fascist isn't one of them.
Agreed. As bad as he is, the alternative -- an Islamofascist state -- is a lot worse. Putin's actually doing the world a favor by supporting him.
We do have an interest in Syria; Obama's just too ... Obama ... to realize where it truly is.
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Agreed. As bad as he is, the alternative is a lot worse. Putin's actually doing the world a favor by supporting him.
And yeah, Assad and his Dad occasionally boast about taking back the Golan Heights, but it's more for domestic consumption than anything. They just enjoy being rich and in power. They know going into the Golan Heights would end all that, tout de suite.
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@r9etb
Ok,the Czar thing I can not only go along with,but will add it was what needed to be done to prevent total anarchy in Russia.
One of the post-Mao Chinese leaders was asked when China would liberalize more than it had. His answer was that China would not do what Russia had done. I surprised myself in agreeing with the head of the PRC. On that one matter, mind you.
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1. We don't want Islamofascist nutjobs in control of the Suez Canal
2. We don't want Islamofascist nutjobs in control of the Middle East oil supply<<
@r9etb
Too late to be worried about a done deal.
3. We don't want Islamofascist nutjobs to overrun Israel, our ally, and only sane country in the region<<
I don't give a rabid rats ass about Israel one way or the other. I worry about America,and Israel hasn't and won't do a damn thing to help or benefit America unless it is in their own selfish self-interest to do so.
>>4. We also don't want Russian hegemony over the region, although Putin seems to be establishing that due to Obama's ineptitude.<<
Due to the ineptitude and outright corruption of damn near our whole professional political class of criminals.
5. We don't want Europe beholden to the Islamofascist nutjobs through oil or access to the Suez Canal, nor do we want them subject to Russia for the same reasons.<<
And here I was thinking that Europe was a continent filled with independent nations with military and banks of their own! Here's a thought,how about tell them to take out their own damn trash?
6. The only plausible way to keep Iran hemmed in, is to have allies, influence, and outright footholds in the countries surrounding it. <<
This wasn't a problem until the idiot Boy Jorge ordered Saddam Hussein removed from power and hanged,so if you want to blame anyone for that exercise in stupidity,blame Boy Jorge and the reptiles that control the RNC.
>>7. Like it or not, only the US has the means to keep the region somewhat stable, and that stability has been sacrificed to satisfy Obama's sophomoric ideas.<<
I don't give a damn if they are stable or not. That's THEIR problem,not ours. They ain't our children and we didn't take them in to raise. We don't need their oil,and all I require out of them is they keep the hell out of America,or learn to love glowing in the dark.
>>And Syria seems to be the key to the whole deal. So of course we care.<<
YOU care. I still don't give a damn.
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It was certainly one way to do it, and certainly in keeping with Russian history and culture. So perhaps it was the only way to achieve it.
But stabilizing Russia was only the first part. What we now see is a different phase: an expansionist policy not unlike what Russia was doing in the run-up to the First World War. The roots of that are partly a desire to restore what the Soviets had done; and partly it's Putin's own ambitions as a hegemon.
@r9etb
In other words,Russia is just doing what we are doing,but doing it better because they don't have the corruption we have. Which is something I am a little shocked to write. Hooda thunk THOSE words would ever be said?
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Well, Pete, you basically agreed with everything I said, and then slathered on a hefty pile of your poorly-informed personal hatreds.
Do you actually have a point?
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Well, Pete, you basically agreed with everything I said, and then slathered on a hefty pile of your poorly-informed personal hatreds.
Do you actually have a point?
@r9etb
Yes,but you obviously can't or won't understand it because you are too wrapped up with us being the Worlds Daddy.
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1. We don't want Islamofascist nutjobs in control of the Suez Canal
2. We don't want Islamofascist nutjobs in control of the Middle East oil supply
3. We don't want Islamofascist nutjobs to overrun Israel, our ally, and only sane country in the region
4. We also don't want Russian hegemony over the region, although Putin seems to be establishing that due to Obama's ineptitude.
5. We don't want Europe beholden to the Islamofascist nutjobs through oil or access to the Suez Canal, nor do we want them subject to Russia for the same reasons.
6. The only plausible way to keep Iran hemmed in, is to have allies, influence, and outright footholds in the countries surrounding it.
7. Like it or not, only the US has the means to keep the region somewhat stable, and that stability has been sacrificed to satisfy Obama's sophomoric ideas.
None of these things makes Syria a vital US interest and even if your disjointed reasoning were accepted, why on earth would you destabilize the secular government in Syria?
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
TO OUR VERY FOOLISH LEADER, DO NOT ATTACK SYRIA - IF YOU DO MANY VERY BAD THINGS WILL HAPPEN & FROM THAT FIGHT THE U.S. GETS NOTHING!
6:20am ยท 5 Sep 2013
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None of these things makes Syria a vital US interest
You're wrong.