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Title: George Floyd's family releases independent autopsy showing death caused by asphyxia from sustained p
Post by: libertybele on June 01, 2020, 08:07:06 pm
No surprise really.  One of the reports is inaccurate ... which one?

George Floyd's family releases independent autopsy showing death caused by asphyxia from sustained pressure

Attorneys for George Floyd's family released the results of an independent autopsy report Monday showing that Floyd's death was caused by asphyxia due to neck and back compression that led to a lack of blood flow to the brain.

The family's attorney, Ben Crump, announced the autopsy results during an afternoon news conference. Crump said the autopsy found the compression cut off blood to Floyd's brain, and weight on his back made it hard to breathe.

The family's autopsy differed from the official autopsy as described in a criminal complaint against the officer accused of killing Floyd. That autopsy included the effects of being restrained, along with underlying health issues and potential intoxicants in Floyd's system, but also found nothing "to support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation."

https://www.foxnews.com/us/results-of-george-floyd-independent-autopsy-expected-today (https://www.foxnews.com/us/results-of-george-floyd-independent-autopsy-expected-today)
Title: Re: George Floyd's family releases independent autopsy showing death caused by asphyxia from sustain
Post by: libertybele on June 01, 2020, 08:13:46 pm
So ... now we have two different results and it appears that the first results were trying to cover for the cop.  These results are consistent with what we all witnessed on film.
Title: Re: George Floyd's family releases independent autopsy showing death caused by asphyxia from sustain
Post by: Hoodat on June 01, 2020, 08:16:27 pm
So ... now we have two different results and it appears that the first results were trying to cover for the cop.

The first results were the ones given to us by Democrat city officials.  Democrats own this.
Title: Re: George Floyd's family releases independent autopsy showing death caused by asphyxia from sustain
Post by: skeeter on June 01, 2020, 08:18:31 pm
So ... now we have two different results and it appears that the first results were trying to cover for the cop.  These results are consistent with what we all witnessed on film.

How do we know which results are correct? The city coroner will cover for the cop and the family's coroner will find results pleasing to whomever hired him.

There's got to be a way to get a completely impartial autopsy. Its too important not to.

Title: Re: George Floyd's family releases independent autopsy showing death caused by asphyxia from sustain
Post by: libertybele on June 01, 2020, 08:23:32 pm
How do we know which results are correct? The city coroner will cover for the cop and the family's coroner will find results pleasing to whomever hired him.

There's got to be a way to get a completely impartial autopsy. Its too important not to.

I absolutely agree.  I am not at all surprised by the results of this autopsy and also believe that another autopsy needs to be done; however if that autopsy agrees with the first, then will the family then hire another??  This has the potential to go on and on unfortunately. 

Just a thought though -- the family's independent autopsy that was done IS consistent to what is on film. That's pretty hard to deny.  Sure he may have had heart issues and he may have been under the influence of some type of drug; but the trauma added to those elements didn't help and this autopsy finds that is what killed him. 

Which autopsy is more believable?  I'd say the 2nd independent autopsy.  Just my opinion.
Title: Re: George Floyd's family releases independent autopsy showing death caused by asphyxia from sustain
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on June 01, 2020, 08:33:58 pm
Are there any doctors in Briefer City?  According to the timeline from BBC on May 30... from statements taken from witnesses ..

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At 20:27, Mr Chauvin removed his knee from Mr Floyd's neck. Motionless, Mr Floyd was rolled on to a gurney and taken to the Hennepin County Medical Center in an ambulance.

He was pronounced dead around an hour later.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52861726 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52861726) 


Two questions for the docs ... is it possible to die from asphyxia an hour later?  And can an EMT pronounce a time of death or is that a physician's responsibility, only?

Thanks.

 
Title: Re: George Floyd's family releases independent autopsy showing death caused by asphyxia from sustain
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on June 01, 2020, 08:41:36 pm
How do we know which results are correct? The city coroner will cover for the cop and the family's coroner will find results pleasing to whomever hired him.

There's got to be a way to get a completely impartial autopsy. Its too important not to.

Agree.  How about two out-of-state coroners together. 

Maybe there'll be a toxicology report by then, too.
Title: Re: George Floyd's family releases independent autopsy showing death caused by asphyxia from sustain
Post by: libertybele on June 01, 2020, 08:44:30 pm
Are there any doctors in Briefer City?  According to the timeline from BBC on May 30... from statements taken from witnesses ..


Two questions for the docs ... is it possible to die from asphyxia an hour later?  And can an EMT pronounce a time of death or is that a physician's responsibility, only?

Thanks.

Not a doctor, but witnesses say that he was motionless before he was put in the ambulance...it is possible that the EMT delayed pronouncing him dead in order to help the cop.

When my mother-in-law passed away, the EMT arrived and pronounced/documented time of death.

Forensic Analysis of Injury and Death by Asphyxiation

https://www.tasanet.com/Knowledge-Center/Articles/ArtMID/477/ArticleID/338920/Forensic-Analysis-of-Injury-and-Death-by-Asphyxiation (https://www.tasanet.com/Knowledge-Center/Articles/ArtMID/477/ArticleID/338920/Forensic-Analysis-of-Injury-and-Death-by-Asphyxiation)
Title: Re: George Floyd's family releases independent autopsy showing death caused by asphyxia from sustain
Post by: skeeter on June 01, 2020, 09:06:53 pm
Agree.  How about two out-of-state coroners together. 

Maybe there'll be a toxicology report by then, too.

How long does it take to do a toxicology report?

Meanwhile cities burn.
Title: Re: George Floyd's family releases independent autopsy showing death caused by asphyxia from sustain
Post by: roamer_1 on June 01, 2020, 09:24:51 pm
How do we know which results are correct? The city coroner will cover for the cop and the family's coroner will find results pleasing to whomever hired him.

There's got to be a way to get a completely impartial autopsy. Its too important not to.

No, the city coroner's report must stand up at trial. He cannot cover up something like that... Maybe a little around the edges, but not something this grave. Especially with the feds involved, and the likelihood of a change in venue.
Title: Re: George Floyd's family releases independent autopsy showing death caused by asphyxia from sustain
Post by: roamer_1 on June 01, 2020, 09:29:18 pm
Just a thought though -- the family's independent autopsy that was done IS consistent to what is on film. That's pretty hard to deny.  Sure he may have had heart issues and he may have been under the influence of some type of drug; but the trauma added to those elements didn't help and this autopsy finds that is what killed him. 

Which autopsy is more believable?  I'd say the 2nd independent autopsy.  Just my opinion.

No it is NOT hard to deny. There was no weight on that knee. The guy could lift his head.\
And outside of the initial swarm movement, there was no weight on his back. The lion's share of the time, there was but one of them on him.

Now the swarm movement is in question? Give me a break!
Title: Re: George Floyd's family releases independent autopsy showing death caused by asphyxia from sustain
Post by: mortarman on June 01, 2020, 09:36:32 pm
Well considering that the same slimy bambulance chaser who represented the families of the so-called "Gentle Giant" an' Sock Monkey's son is representing this family. I'm sure that sleaze-ball Bennie Crump has a whole Rolodex full of hack experts he can call upon to give any report he wants.

Title: Re: George Floyd's family releases independent autopsy showing death caused by asphyxia from sustain
Post by: mountaineer on June 01, 2020, 09:36:38 pm
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The family's autopsy differed from the official autopsy as described in a criminal complaint against the officer accused of killing Floyd.
That wasn't the official autopsy, it only was preliminary findings.
Title: Re: George Floyd's family releases independent autopsy showing death caused by asphyxia from sustain
Post by: Applewood on June 01, 2020, 10:00:33 pm
Just saw a "Breaking News" in my news feed -- no link yet --the medical examiner has declared a homicide.
Title: Re: George Floyd's family releases independent autopsy showing death caused by asphyxia from sustain
Post by: aligncare on June 01, 2020, 10:30:48 pm
Just saw a "Breaking News" in my news feed -- no link yet --the medical examiner has declared a homicide.

What would we do without this medical examiner?

Of course it’s a homicide. A person was killed. That’s what a homicide is. Now tell us what autopsy findings lead you to conclude was the cause of the death of that individual.

The legal system is then responsible for determining culpability or non culpability for that cause of death based on your findings and on the evidence on scene and on the facts surrounding the death.
Title: Re: George Floyd's family releases independent autopsy showing death caused by asphyxia from sustain
Post by: mrclose on June 01, 2020, 10:35:22 pm
Take a look at the reason he is dead.
Heart attack.

Also notice the drugs in his system?

Of course, there is no way they were ever going to not charge the cop.

(http://i.postimg.cc/wvWNWW2m/image.png)
Title: Re: George Floyd's family releases independent autopsy showing death caused by asphyxia from sustain
Post by: 240B on June 01, 2020, 10:39:16 pm
A Blind Study:

Two bodies
A coroner who doesn't know who either guy is
One corpse homicide by asphyxia
The other any other similar cause of death

Or, the reverse
Two bodies (same)
Two coroners who do not know who either guy is.

Or any possible variation on this. And see what happens.
Like neither corpse is a homicide at all.
Main point being they do not know who they are doing the autopsy on.
This Floyd guy is famous at this point, you could send the body to Timbuktu and they would declare without a single doubt, 100% certain that it was a homicide. It would literally be dangerous for them and their family to rule any other way.
Title: Re: George Floyd's family releases independent autopsy showing death caused by asphyxia from sustain
Post by: Hoodat on June 01, 2020, 10:40:52 pm
Heart attack is a method of first degree homicide?
Title: Re: George Floyd's family releases independent autopsy showing death caused by asphyxia from sustain
Post by: 240B on June 01, 2020, 11:01:41 pm
Heart attack is a method of first degree homicide?
Plus the cop injected him with heart disease, fentanyl, and methamphetamine before he asphyxiated him.
Title: Re: George Floyd's family releases independent autopsy showing death caused by asphyxia from sustain
Post by: roamer_1 on June 01, 2020, 11:03:20 pm
Plus the cop injected him with heart disease, fentanyl, and methamphetamine before he asphyxiated him.

That bastard.
Title: Re: George Floyd's family releases independent autopsy showing death caused by asphyxia from sustain
Post by: Hoodat on June 01, 2020, 11:05:39 pm
Fentanyl and methamphetamine?  At least he knows the proper way to mix his illegal drugs.
Title: Re: George Floyd's family releases independent autopsy showing death caused by asphyxia from sustain
Post by: skeeter on June 01, 2020, 11:08:44 pm
Take a look at the reason he is dead.
Heart attack.

Also notice the drugs in his system?

Of course, there is no way they were ever going to not charge the cop.

(http://i.postimg.cc/wvWNWW2m/image.png)
Time of death 9:25PM.

Apparently it took quite some time for him to choke to death.