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Title: Trump Directed Legal Action To Enforce Stormy Daniels’s Hush Agreement
Post by: edpc on October 02, 2018, 12:42:11 pm
President Trump personally directed an effort in February to stop Stormy Daniels from publicly describing an alleged sexual encounter with Mr. Trump, people familiar with the events say.

In a phone call, Mr. Trump instructed his then-lawyer Michael Cohen to seek a restraining order against the former adult-film actress, whose real name is Stephanie Clifford, through a confidential arbitration proceeding, one of the people said. Messrs. Trump and Cohen had learned shortly before that Ms. Clifford was considering giving a media interview about her alleged relationship with Mr. Trump, despite having signed an October 2016 nondisclosure agreement.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-directed-legal-action-to-enforce-stormy-danielss-hush-agreement-1538478000?mod=hp_lead_pos2 (https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-directed-legal-action-to-enforce-stormy-danielss-hush-agreement-1538478000?mod=hp_lead_pos2)
Title: Re: Trump Directed Legal Action To Enforce Stormy Daniels’s Hush Agreement
Post by: edpc on October 02, 2018, 12:43:46 pm
WSJ has paywall, but usually allows a few free articles per month.  Synopsis at non-pay site here...

https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/10/02/politics/trump-michael-cohen-stormy-daniels/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F (https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/10/02/politics/trump-michael-cohen-stormy-daniels/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F)
Title: Re: Trump Directed Legal Action To Enforce Stormy Daniels’s Hush Agreement
Post by: Frank Cannon on October 02, 2018, 12:52:05 pm
.... people familiar with the events say.

Well I'm familiar with the event and my unnamed sources tell me that Veronica Stracqualursi services hobos under a bridge on the weekend for a dollar.
Title: Re: Trump Directed Legal Action To Enforce Stormy Daniels’s Hush Agreement
Post by: edpc on October 02, 2018, 12:58:06 pm
Well, the WSJ was the one who originally uncovered the Daniels payment and Cohen’s LLC.  They haven’t been wrong, so far.
Title: Re: Trump Directed Legal Action To Enforce Stormy Daniels’s Hush Agreement
Post by: 240B on October 02, 2018, 01:01:03 pm
So I have sex with a porno woman, great. Then I pay her $100,000 to keep quiet through a lawyer and have her sign a (supposed) legally binding agreement. She accepts the money. She signs the agreement. Then she goes to the press and she is a 'hero' for breaking the agreement?

I want my money back. (law in America is politics. there is no real 'law' anymore.) Sign anything. Swear anything. Who cares? These days it is all meaningless.
Title: Re: Trump Directed Legal Action To Enforce Stormy Daniels’s Hush Agreement
Post by: Frank Cannon on October 02, 2018, 01:12:57 pm
So I have sex with a porno woman, great. Then I pay her $100,000 to keep quiet through a lawyer and have her sign a (supposed) legally binding agreement. She accepts the money. She signs the agreement. Then she goes to the press and she is a 'hero' for breaking the agreement?

I want my money back. (law in America is politics. there is no real 'law' anymore.) Sign anything. Swear anything. Who cares? These days it is all meaningless.

Yup. Contract law is irrelevant now.
Title: Re: Trump Directed Legal Action To Enforce Stormy Daniels’s Hush Agreement
Post by: edpc on October 02, 2018, 01:13:28 pm
So I have sex with a porno woman, great. Then I pay her $100,000 to keep quiet through a lawyer and have her sign a (supposed) legally binding agreement. She accepts the money. She signs the agreement. Then she goes to the press and she is a 'hero' for breaking the agreement?

I want my money back. (law in America is politics. there is no real 'law' anymore.) Sign anything. Swear anything. Who cares? These days it is all meaningless.


Perhaps you should read Cohen’s plea deal, again.  Two of the eight charges were for campaign finance violations, related to the payment.
Title: Re: Trump Directed Legal Action To Enforce Stormy Daniels’s Hush Agreement
Post by: Frank Cannon on October 02, 2018, 01:16:57 pm

Perhaps you should read Cohen’s plea deal, again.  Two of the eight charges were for campaign finance violations, related to the payment.

So what. He can plea that he shot Lincoln if he wants. It doesn't mean it's true. It just means that he is trying to get his crooked ass off the hook for his money laundering operation with the taxi medallions.
Title: Re: Trump Directed Legal Action To Enforce Stormy Daniels’s Hush Agreement
Post by: ABX on October 02, 2018, 01:20:34 pm
So I have sex with a porno woman, great. Then I pay her $100,000 to keep quiet through a lawyer and have her sign a (supposed) legally binding agreement. She accepts the money. She signs the agreement. Then she goes to the press and she is a 'hero' for breaking the agreement?

I want my money back. (law in America is politics. there is no real 'law' anymore.) Sign anything. Swear anything. Who cares? These days it is all meaningless.

One of the original points was that the contract was never validated because both parties didn't sign it.
Title: Re: Trump Directed Legal Action To Enforce Stormy Daniels’s Hush Agreement
Post by: 240B on October 02, 2018, 01:30:21 pm
One of the original points was that the contract was never validated because both parties didn't sign it.

Nonsense. Again, 'Law' in the strictest sense doesn't mean anything these days but the only thing that is relevant to the NDA is that SHE signed it and accepted the money.
Title: Re: Trump Directed Legal Action To Enforce Stormy Daniels’s Hush Agreement
Post by: ABX on October 02, 2018, 01:40:26 pm
Nonsense. Again, 'Law' in the strictest sense doesn't mean anything these days but the only thing that is relevant to the NDA is that SHE signed it and accepted the money.

Contract law is not really as cut and dry as you think. Little things like one party not signing can invalidate the contract. Things like the whistleblower protection act and the first amendment, especially when dealing with public officials, also override any private contract. Also, a NDA can't be used to silence illegal action. You can't tell someone to cover up a crime with a NDA. (the aforementioned campaign finance law issue).

As is almost always the case, it isn't the act that gets you, it is the cover up.
Title: Re: Trump Directed Legal Action To Enforce Stormy Daniels’s Hush Agreement
Post by: 240B on October 02, 2018, 01:49:43 pm
Contract law is not really as cut and dry as you think. Little things like one party not signing can invalidate the contract. Things like the whistleblower protection act and the first amendment, especially when dealing with public officials, also override any private contract. Also, a NDA can't be used to silence illegal action. You can't tell someone to cover up a crime with a NDA. (the aforementioned campaign finance law issue).

As is almost always the case, it isn't the act that gets you, it is the cover up.

Contract Law is not as malleable as you seem to think it is. Having sex with a porno woman is NOT illegal. Hell, I would do it myself (no i really wouldn't. porno is disgusting. i wouldn't even touch that woman with my pinky)

She signed a contract. She accepted money to keep quiet. She violated the agreement and Trump has more than adequate grounds to sue her.
Title: Re: Trump Directed Legal Action To Enforce Stormy Daniels’s Hush Agreement
Post by: edpc on October 02, 2018, 01:58:46 pm
So what. He can plea that he shot Lincoln if he wants. It doesn't mean it's true. It just means that he is trying to get his crooked ass off the hook for his money laundering operation with the taxi medallions.


Well, this was handled by his lawyer, Guy Petrillo, not PR guy and Clinton lackey Lanny Davis.  He’s got a solid reputation and was once part of SDNY.  If he thought he could beat that particular charge, I doubt he would’ve allowed his client to plead guilty to it.
Title: Re: Trump Directed Legal Action To Enforce Stormy Daniels’s Hush Agreement
Post by: edpc on October 02, 2018, 02:20:01 pm
Contract Law is not as malleable as you seem to think it is. Having sex with a porno woman is NOT illegal. Hell, I would do it myself (no i really wouldn't. porno is disgusting. i wouldn't even touch that woman with my pinky)

She signed a contract. She accepted money to keep quiet. She violated the agreement and Trump has more than adequate grounds to sue her.


Maybe, but he won’t.  Following through on the lawsuit would require him to state, under oath, whether they had sexual contact or not.  That’s exactly what the media and Avenatti want him to do.
Title: Re: Trump Directed Legal Action To Enforce Stormy Daniels’s Hush Agreement
Post by: GtHawk on October 02, 2018, 05:52:44 pm
.... people familiar with the events say.

Well I'm familiar with the event and my unnamed sources tell me that Veronica Stracqualursi services hobos under a bridge on the weekend for a dollar.
@Frank Cannon
Frank, is that true, she only gave the Hobos a buck? Cheap Bi__h!
Title: Re: Trump Directed Legal Action To Enforce Stormy Daniels’s Hush Agreement
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on October 02, 2018, 06:12:25 pm
This can't be because Trump didn't even know about it.  I saw him on the plane saying reporters would have to ask Cohen about it.
Title: Re: Trump Directed Legal Action To Enforce Stormy Daniels’s Hush Agreement
Post by: jmyrlefuller on October 02, 2018, 06:50:57 pm
Having sex with a porno woman is NOT illegal.
Adultery is still a crime. A rarely enforced crime, but it is still on the books in most case. So, considering Trump was married at the time, it is illegal.