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6 First Gun Control Measures To Expect From A Biden Administration
If we have a Joe Biden administration in the White House on Jan. 20, we will have the most overtly anti-gun president in American history.
By Ryan Cleckner
December 16, 2020
If we have a Joe Biden administration in the White House on Jan. 20, we will have the most overtly anti-gun president in American history.
Biden’s plan lists effectively every gun control measure ever proposed: banning “assault weapons,†banning “high-capacity†magazines, limiting the number of guns an American can purchase, holding manufacturers liable for the criminal misuse of their products, and many, many more.
Out of the myriad options a Biden administration will have to infringe on our constitutional protections, which will they choose first? Based on my experience with clients and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (AFT) as a firearms attorney, some recent news events, and a bit of firearm-industry intuition, I think the first things a Biden administration will do regarding guns if given the chance are:
Banning pistol braces
Banning homemade firearms/80 percent receivers
Banning online firearm and ammunition sales
Shortly after the first bans, and if he has the help of the Senate, the next gun control measures will likely be:
Banning “assault weaponsâ€
Banning “high capacity†magazines
Requiring universal background checks
Let’s examine each of these in turn.
more
https://thefederalist.com/2020/12/16/6-first-gun-control-measures-to-expect-from-a-biden-administration/
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6 First Gun Control Measures To Expect From A Biden Administration
If we have a Joe Biden administration in the White House on Jan. 20, we will have the most overtly anti-gun president in American history.
By Ryan Cleckner
December 16, 2020
If we have a Joe Biden administration in the White House on Jan. 20, we will have the most overtly anti-gun president in American history.
Biden’s plan lists effectively every gun control measure ever proposed: banning “assault weapons,†banning “high-capacity†magazines, limiting the number of guns an American can purchase, holding manufacturers liable for the criminal misuse of their products, and many, many more.
Out of the myriad options a Biden administration will have to infringe on our constitutional protections, which will they choose first? Based on my experience with clients and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (AFT) as a firearms attorney, some recent news events, and a bit of firearm-industry intuition, I think the first things a Biden administration will do regarding guns if given the chance are:
Banning pistol braces
Banning homemade firearms/80 percent receivers
Banning online firearm and ammunition sales
Shortly after the first bans, and if he has the help of the Senate, the next gun control measures will likely be:
Banning “assault weaponsâ€
Banning “high capacity†magazines
Requiring universal background checks
Let’s examine each of these in turn.
more
https://thefederalist.com/2020/12/16/6-first-gun-control-measures-to-expect-from-a-biden-administration/
Good thing this won't piss anyone off. :laugh:
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Good thing this won't piss anyone off. :laugh:
If Biden delivers on his "Beto threat", as admin of ATF, or Firearms Czar , don't be suprised to see the words "confiscation" filter into those measures.
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If Biden delivers on his "Beto threat", as admin of ATF, or Firearms Czar , don't be suprised to see the words "confiscation" filter into those measures.
In all of our history the second amendment might be most needed today as we enter the dark period when we witness the take-over of America by the radical left.
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I'm beginning to think it's a good time to add that Henry lever action rifle that shoots 5.56 rounds to the collection.
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If Biden delivers on his "Beto threat", as admin of ATF, or Firearms Czar , don't be suprised to see the words "confiscation" filter into those measures.
@catfish1957
I won't be surprised,but I sure will be happy to see it laid out right there in the open for everybody to see.
No more of those "common sense gun safety" weasel words,just come right and and admit you want to confiscate firearms from everybody but you and your bodyguards,and be done with it.
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I'm beginning to think it's a good time to add that Henry lever action rifle that shoots 5.56 rounds to the collection.
@txradioguy
Why? Get a 30/30,45/70,or maybe 45ACP, or 44 Magnum, and be done with it? Of course,if it were me,I would get a Marlin.
If you want a 5.56,get a Car-15 clone in semi-auto.
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@txradioguy
Why? Get a 30/30,45/70,or maybe 45ACP, or 44 Magnum, and be done with it? Of course,if it were me,I would get a Marlin.
If you want a 5.56,get a Car-15 clone in semi-auto.
@sneakypete
I've already got my Glenfield 30-30. I'm deadly accurate with it too. But if I've got the Henry 5.56...to me it's a stealth AR of sorts and a way to give a finger to the gun grabbers banning anything that shoots an M-16 round.
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@sneakypete
I've already got my Glenfield 30-30. I'm deadly accurate with it too. But if I've got the Henry 5.56...to me it's a stealth AR of sorts and a way to give a finger to the gun grabbers banning anything that shoots an M-16 round.
@txradioguy
OK,I'm just not a fan of the 5.56mm round. Can see it in something on an Armalite frame,but not with any other type of rifle. MIGHT be ok in a TC Contender with a 14 inch barrel,though.
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@txradioguy
OK,I'm just not a fan of the 5.56mm round. Can see it in something on an Armalite frame,but not with any other type of rifle. MIGHT be ok in a TC Contender with a 14 inch barrel,though.
@sneakypete Not a real fan when compared to other rounds...but like the 9mm it is the most common these days. Henry also makes this particular lever action in .308 which is probably more akin to what you're used to back in the day with the M-14.
I just want to stick it to the gun grabbers any way I can for as long as I can. I figure when most of these infant assholes see a lever action they see a "safe old grandpa's deer rifle" and not something that can and will deliver accurately the very round they despise.
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I'm beginning to think it's a good time to add that Henry lever action rifle that shoots 5.56 rounds to the collection.
With the scarcity of ammo, it may be better to choose a weapon according to ammo availability. 7.62x54R ammo is probably more available and Mosin Nagant rifle are usually available.
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@sneakypete Not a real fan when compared to other rounds...but like the 9mm it is the most common these days. Henry also makes this particular lever action in .308 which is probably more akin to what you're used to back in the day with the M-14.
@txradioguy
Just how old do you think I am,anyhow?
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BTW,while I was issued a M-14 in basic,I was issued a brand new Armalite AR-15 without the bolt forward assist when I got to Ft.Bragg in early 65. Only 7.62/308 stuff I fooled with after that was shot out of a M-60. I would have most likely carried a FN-FAL in 7.62 in VN if I could have found one,but had zero interest in carrying a M-14 or a BAR in the jungle. I did and do LOVE BAR's,though. I just don't love carrying them and their loaded magazines in 100 degree + weather.
I do LOVE,LOVE,LOVE FN-FAL's in .308,though! Especially those you could buy as a demilled "kit gun" back in the 80's for $200 bucks or less at times,depending on who was selling it and what version it was. I personally preferred the German version to the others,and at one time you could buy them for 200 bucks that included what looked like a brand new heavy MG barrel,cleaning kit,and some magazines. Buy a $150-200 semi-auto receiver,slap the two together,and you had a rifle that you would have to pay up to 2 grand for even back then.
The Israeli surplus were the ones you wanted to buy if you wanted a heavy barrel,because it seems like most of them were configured as squad automatic rifles.
I especially loved the adjustable gas system on the FAL's. I can shoot any kind of surplus 7.62 I can get my hands on and it will function 100 percent reliably regardless if it is a squib load,or surplus MG loads that would beat a normal rifle to death.
Think I was paying about 150 bucks for sealed battlepacks of a thousand rounds back then,too. Military surplus from places like Israel,Argentina,and it was sealed and looked brand new. Hell,you couldn't even reload if it you already had the empty brass for what I was buying it for.
True,you had to make some adjustments on your sights for the different loads if you were shooting out to 500 yards or so,but that was no bid deal. Just make a note of what your sight setting are for each load/supplier,and you were golden the next time you bought some of that flavor.
I honestly don't even know if it is even possible to buy surplus 7.62 anymore,or what it costs. I am pretty sure all the surplus "parts guns" on the market back then were dumped in the ocean once Bubba Bill signed a law that stiffly restricted the importation of surplus military rifles into the US. The US was obviously the largest market for items like that
I just want to stick it to the gun grabbers any way I can for as long as I can. I figure when most of these infant assholes see a lever action they see a "safe old grandpa's deer rifle" and not something that can and will deliver accurately the very round they despise.
I hear ya on that,plus I LOVE Marlin's. I have wanted a Marlin in 45-70 ever since they came out,but for some reason have never gotten around to buying one. Probably never will now. For some reason I seem to have lost all interest in shooting. Guess I just got burned out on it and then didn't have the time.
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With the scarcity of ammo, it may be better to choose a weapon according to ammo availability. 7.62x54R ammo is probably more available and Mosin Nagant rifle are usually available.
@Elderberry
True,but you might want to consider adding the cost of a new stock with a rubber recoil pad. Recoil in those things is brutal with the factory stock and steel butt plate.
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6 First Gun Control Measures To Expect From A Biden Administration
If we have a Joe Biden administration in the White House on Jan. 20, we will have the most overtly anti-gun president in American history.
By Ryan Cleckner
December 16, 2020
If we have a Joe Biden administration in the White House on Jan. 20, we will have the most overtly anti-gun president in American history.
Biden’s plan lists effectively every gun control measure ever proposed: banning “assault weapons,†banning “high-capacity†magazines, limiting the number of guns an American can purchase, holding manufacturers liable for the criminal misuse of their products, and many, many more.
Out of the myriad options a Biden administration will have to infringe on our constitutional protections, which will they choose first? Based on my experience with clients and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (AFT) as a firearms attorney, some recent news events, and a bit of firearm-industry intuition, I think the first things a Biden administration will do regarding guns if given the chance are:
Banning pistol braces
Banning homemade firearms/80 percent receivers
Banning online firearm and ammunition sales
Shortly after the first bans, and if he has the help of the Senate, the next gun control measures will likely be:
Banning “assault weaponsâ€
Banning “high capacity†magazines
Requiring universal background checks
Let’s examine each of these in turn.
more
https://thefederalist.com/2020/12/16/6-first-gun-control-measures-to-expect-from-a-biden-administration/
Add this one to the list: expanding the firearms import ban to include all countries.
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@sneakypete based on that last post you're exactly as old as I figured you were! LOL!
BTW you can get a Marlin 336 in 45-70 govt. for a pretty good price these days.
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@Elderberry
True,but you might want to consider adding the cost of a new stock with a rubber recoil pad. Recoil in those things is brutal with the factory stock and steel butt plate.
How true. I got pinched once between a 95 Mauser steel butt plate and the shooting bench.
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Add this one to the list: expanding the firearms import ban to include all countries.
And if that actually happens and word leaks out expect to see a sudden rush of firearms manufacturers who aren't in the U.S. already establish a U.S. arm of their company to get around that ban.
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And if that actually happens and word leaks out expect to see a sudden rush of firearms manufacturers who aren't in the U.S. already establish a U.S. arm of their company to get around that ban.
I think this is behind CZ trying to buy Colt. But that trend has been ongoing for awhile, Sig, Glock, Kalashnikov USA, etc. Plus we've seen several manufacturers offering AK variants made 100% in the US (Palmetto State Armory, Kalashnikov USA, etc.)
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I think this is behind CZ trying to buy Colt. But that trend has been ongoing for awhile, Sig, Glock, Kalashnikov USA, etc. Plus we've seen several manufacturers offering AK variants made 100% in the US (Palmetto State Armory, Kalashnikov USA, etc.)
The other reason they set up US branches of their European manufacturing is that they want in on the military contracts and those contracts dictate that the firearms manufacturer have a U.S. headquarters. That's how FN is able to make the SAW and Sig can make the M17/18.
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CZ-USA is headquartered in Kansas.
https://cz-usa.com/company/about-cz-usa/ (https://cz-usa.com/company/about-cz-usa/)
About CZ-USA
Headquartered in Kansas City, KS since 1998, CZ-USA is an importer, manufacturer and distributor of pistols, rifles, shotguns and suppressors. The exclusive US importer of rifles and pistols from Česká zbrojovka a.s. Uherský Brod, (CZUB) of the Czech Republic, CZ-USA also designs and imports the CZ-USA Field Sports line of shotguns from Turkey. Fine 1911s and revolvers are made by subsidiary Dan Wesson and a growing line of CZ-USA suppressors is available for rimfire and centerfire firearms.
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CZ-USA is headquartered in Kansas.
https://cz-usa.com/company/about-cz-usa/ (https://cz-usa.com/company/about-cz-usa/)
They are smart. They are ahead of the game.
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All this that we are experiencing has happened before, during the Russian, Chinese, Cuban, and Venezuelan revolutions, and was explained in the work of Andrew Lobaczweski in which he and his colleagues, in communist Poland, discovered that communist elite was composed, for the most part, of psychopathic individuals acting in a cooperative manner. In the same way that psychopathic individuals form drug gangs in big cities, psychopaths can turn their attention to politics and acting cooperatively, taking power. The result is what we're seeing now, and it's going to get a lot worse if people don't have access to this information. I made a text that explains Lobaczweski's findings and applies it to today. Visit the article and if possible share it. According to the author, the best way to block this psychopathic elite is informing the population.
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CZ-USA is headquartered in Kansas.
https://cz-usa.com/company/about-cz-usa/ (https://cz-usa.com/company/about-cz-usa/)
OH, good for them.
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TO ALL YOU GUYS:
In a gun fight, I want the master gunman by my side and that is 44444heart @sneakypete.
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@sneakypete based on that last post you're exactly as old as I figured you were! LOL!
@txradioguy
That's odd. I feel older.
BTW you can get a Marlin 336 in 45-70 govt. for a pretty good price these days.
Yeah,but I seem to have lost all interest in shooting,plus I have a ton of medical bills to pay that t,he VA is refusing to pay for various technical reasons,which means I have no money to spend on guns even if I wanted to buy them.
The latest is they are threatening to cut me off because I am refusing to make 500 mile + round trips that include an overnight motel room stay,just to get bandages changed.
Do NOT ask me what *I* think of VA bureaucrats.
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How true. I got pinched once between a 95 Mauser steel butt plate and the shooting bench.
@Elderberry
And the Mauser's had a much better stock design. The Nagant is just brutal when it comes to "felt recoil".
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I think this is behind CZ trying to buy Colt. But that trend has been ongoing for awhile, Sig, Glock, Kalashnikov USA, etc. Plus we've seen several manufacturers offering AK variants made 100% in the US (Palmetto State Armory, Kalashnikov USA, etc.)
@BassWrangler
I suspect a lot of them did/are doing this because of placing bids on military and other government contracts. Don't know if there is an actual law requiring DoD contracts go to US companies,if they are doing it for tax break reasons,or both,but I suspect that has a lot to do with it.
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They are smart. They are ahead of the game.
@txradioguy
They also design and manufacture some damn fine firearms. None of that "slapped together" crap you often saw from other former Iron Country nations.
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TO ALL YOU GUYS:
In a gun fight, I want the master gunman by my side and that is 44444heart @sneakypete.
@Victoria33
I thank you for the vote of confidence!
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@txradioguy
Why? Get a 30/30,45/70,or maybe 45ACP, or 44 Magnum, and be done with it? Of course,if it were me,I would get a Marlin.
If you want a 5.56,get a Car-15 clone in semi-auto.
The Marlin in .44 magnum is sweet, accurate, carbine length, and holds 10 rounds of 240 gr. JHP...lovely rifle.
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All this that we are experiencing has happened before, during the Russian, Chinese, Cuban, and Venezuelan revolutions, and was explained in the work of Andrew Lobaczweski in which he and his colleagues, in communist Poland, discovered that communist elite was composed, for the most part, of psychopathic individuals acting in a cooperative manner. In the same way that psychopathic individuals form drug gangs in big cities, psychopaths can turn their attention to politics and acting cooperatively, taking power. The result is what we're seeing now, and it's going to get a lot worse if people don't have access to this information. I made a text that explains Lobaczweski's findings and applies it to today. Visit the article and if possible share it. According to the author, the best way to block this psychopathic elite is informing the population.
--> http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,424671.0.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,424671.0.html) <--
Incredibly worthwhile post!
I found the paper in its entirety and downloaded it, and am reading it.
https://www.academia.edu/40455071/Political_Ponerology_A_Science_on_The_Nature_of_Evil_adjusted_for_Political_Purposes (https://www.academia.edu/40455071/Political_Ponerology_A_Science_on_The_Nature_of_Evil_adjusted_for_Political_Purposes)
Beyond doubt Dr. Fauci fits the criteria.
The administration of cheap and effective COVID treatments, which also have prophylactic value against the disease, could have provided temporary 'herd immunity' to stop the progress of the pandemic, while those exposed would acquire immunity without requiring, for the most part, so much as hospitaliztion, much less ICU treatments.
Instead, the course chosen has led to tens of thousands of unnecessary deaths, economic devastation (seldom noted by those whose salaries are guaranteed from the public coffers) and unaccountable misery for the general population. Furthermore, it has allowed the lesser psychopaths from city managers to Governors and beyond to exert their psychopathic control tendencies to the detriment of populations under that control, even while failing to control egregious mayhem, murder, and violence, indicating a multilevel cooperation of evil, ignoring or promulgating misery in a broad social spectrum.
Claiming that those in DC and elsewhere who have made seriously poor policy decisions are "crazy" might not be very far off the mark.
Thank you for posting that.
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@Elderberry
And the Mauser's had a much better stock design. The Nagant is just brutal when it comes to "felt recoil".
I was at the rifle range and a young shooter on the bench next to me asked me to shoot his rifle. He had adjusted his scope and his shoulder just couldn't take it any more. So he asked me to shoot it and let him know what I thought of his scope adjustment. You won't guess what it was he was shooting. It was a lever action 30-30. Like so many of those rifles, this one was short stocked and I assume he hadn't yet learned to pull a rifle's stock tight into his shoulder. That was the only time I'd ever been asked to shoot a total stranger's gun like that.
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I'm beginning to think it's a good time to add that Henry lever action rifle that shoots 5.56 rounds to the collection.
You may not want a hard sharp point on the round, laying against other rounds in a tube magazine.
And the Leverevolution ammo from Hornady is not available in 5.56.
FLEX TIP® TECHNOLOGY
The patented Flex Tip® technology of the FTX® and MonoFlex® bullets provide higher ballistic coefficients and velocity increases of up to 250 fps over traditional flat point loads while still providing shock-absorbing safety in tubular magazines.
(https://press.hornady.com/assets/image-cache/pcthumbs/tmp/3946-LEVERevolution-cutaway-illustration.2546e01f.png)
https://www.hornady.com/ammunition/leverevolution# (https://www.hornady.com/ammunition/leverevolution#)!/
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The Henry .223 Lever Action is clip fed.
https://www.henryusa.com/rifles/the-long-ranger/ (https://www.henryusa.com/rifles/the-long-ranger/)
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The Henry .223 Lever Action is clip fed.
https://www.henryusa.com/rifles/the-long-ranger/ (https://www.henryusa.com/rifles/the-long-ranger/)
I should have realized he was talking about a real gun and not wishful dream.
@txradioguy
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@txradioguy
They also design and manufacture some damn fine firearms. None of that "slapped together" crap you often saw from other former Iron Country nations.
My older son has a CZ pistol - very nice firearm.
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The Marlin in .44 magnum is sweet, accurate, carbine length, and holds 10 rounds of 240 gr. JHP...lovely rifle.
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If it's an actual John Marlin Era rifle and not one made since the Remington buy out of Marlin. Remington quality control is abysmal. Some time back I went looking for a Marlin 45-70. I looked at a number of "Marlingtons" and they were all messed up in some way. One of them even had a slot cut across the barrel - maybe 1/8 inch wide and deep - must have been a scrap barrel I guess. Unbelievable. I ended up buying a used one that was made before the buyout.
You can read about the experience the Marlin employees had after the buyout and understand why it's so bad.
Henry Rifles is a much better alternative these days.
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@Elderberry
And the Mauser's had a much better stock design. The Nagant is just brutal when it comes to "felt recoil".
Particularly from a prone position! My shoulder hurt for a week.
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My older son has a CZ pistol - very nice firearm.
I am fond of them too. I have a 52(7.62x25), 70(32ACP), 75(9mm), and an 83(.380).
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I love my 1895 Marlin 45-70. I primarily shoot the 300gr Hornady HP in it. It has been shot so much between the owners before me and then me and my fellow hunters that it developed the dreaded "Marlin Jam". I since repaired it and it shoots now good as new.
Y'all probably have never shot one so many times that it developed the "Marlin Jam". Easy to fix though.
https://www.ktgunsmith.com/marlinjam.htm (https://www.ktgunsmith.com/marlinjam.htm)
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I love my 1895 Marlin 45-70. I primarily shoot the 300gr Hornady HP in it. It has been shot so much between the owners before me and then me and my fellow hunters that it developed the dreaded "Marlin Jam". I since repaired it and it shoots now good as new.
Y'all probably have never shot one so many times that it developed the "Marlin Jam". Easy to fix though.
Mine has a big problem with jamming. I don't know enough about it to fix it. I'm not afraid to work with firearms repair, have even taken the Glock Armorers course, but I just know nothing about the internals of a Marlin lever action.
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Mine has a big problem with jamming. I don't know enough about it to fix it. I'm not afraid to work with firearms repair, have even taken the Glock Armorers course, but I just know nothing about the internals of a Marlin lever action.
@BassWrangler
If it's the "Marlin Jam", following these instructions will fix it.
https://www.ktgunsmith.com/marlinjam.htm (https://www.ktgunsmith.com/marlinjam.htm)
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@BassWrangler
I suspect a lot of them did/are doing this because of placing bids on military and other government contracts. Don't know if there is an actual law requiring DoD contracts go to US companies,if they are doing it for tax break reasons,or both,but I suspect that has a lot to do with it.
That's a good point, although it seems like I was wrong about CZ because, as someone pointed out, they already have a US company - CZ-USA. So maybe this is more about owning the brand.
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@BassWrangler
If it's the "Marlin Jam", following these instructions will fix it.
https://www.ktgunsmith.com/marlinjam.htm (https://www.ktgunsmith.com/marlinjam.htm)
Thank you! I will take a look and see if this is the issue.
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That's a good point, although it seems like I was wrong about CZ because, as someone pointed out, they already have a US company - CZ-USA. So maybe this is more about owning the brand.
I believe this will be their first US manufacturing although they already had US based gun-smithing.
https://cz-usa.com/cz-usa-world-class-firearms-manufacturer-officially-joins-the-us-market/
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I believe this will be their first US manufacturing although they already had US based gun-smithing.
https://cz-usa.com/cz-usa-world-class-firearms-manufacturer-officially-joins-the-us-market/
Did you notice that was a 1998 article?
They already manufacture in the US. They bought Dan Wesson in 2005.
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Did you notice that was a 1998 article?
They already manufacture in the US. They bought Dan Wesson in 2005.
Well, no I did not. Thank you again for keeping me in line today.
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If it's an actual John Marlin Era rifle and not one made since the Remington buy out of Marlin. Remington quality control is abysmal. Some time back I went looking for a Marlin 45-70. I looked at a number of "Marlingtons" and they were all messed up in some way. One of them even had a slot cut across the barrel - maybe 1/8 inch wide and deep - must have been a scrap barrel I guess. Unbelievable. I ended up buying a used one that was made before the buyout.
You can read about the experience the Marlin employees had after the buyout and understand why it's so bad.
Henry Rifles is a much better alternative these days.
I got my Marlin 40 years ago. I like the Henry Rifles too (Mrs Joe has one).
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I should have realized he was talking about a real gun and not wishful dream.
@txradioguy
@thackney no worries. I didn’t know they existed until recently.
It’s also available in .308 for people that want a larger round.
And I’m actively on the lookout around here for those Hornaday LEVERevolution rounds.
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I got my Marlin 40 years ago. I like the Henry Rifles too (Mrs Joe has one).
That's great. The real Marlins are wonderful.
Henry has finally started putting side loading gates and normal blue-ed receivers (as opposed to that silly polished brass finish). They even have some "tactical" models with threaded barrels.
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Incredibly worthwhile post!
I found the paper in its entirety and downloaded it, and am reading it.
https://www.academia.edu/40455071/Political_Ponerology_A_Science_on_The_Nature_of_Evil_adjusted_for_Political_Purposes (https://www.academia.edu/40455071/Political_Ponerology_A_Science_on_The_Nature_of_Evil_adjusted_for_Political_Purposes)
Beyond doubt Dr. Fauci fits the criteria.
The administration of cheap and effective COVID treatments, which also have prophylactic value against the disease, could have provided temporary 'herd immunity' to stop the progress of the pandemic, while those exposed would acquire immunity without requiring, for the most part, so much as hospitaliztion, much less ICU treatments.
Instead, the course chosen has led to tens of thousands of unnecessary deaths, economic devastation (seldom noted by those whose salaries are guaranteed from the public coffers) and unaccountable misery for the general population. Furthermore, it has allowed the lesser psychopaths from city managers to Governors and beyond to exert their psychopathic control tendencies to the detriment of populations under that control, even while failing to control egregious mayhem, murder, and violence, indicating a multilevel cooperation of evil, ignoring or promulgating misery in a broad social spectrum.
Claiming that those in DC and elsewhere who have made seriously poor policy decisions are "crazy" might not be very far off the mark.
Thank you for posting that.
You're welcome! You have understood the scope of Andrew Lobaczweski's prepositions and the implications of his findings for today's world. Please, I am on a crusade trying to make as many people as possible know about Lobaczweski and his team's findings. Please, if you think my text has merit, share it with your friends and conservative colleagues. It is posted in the TRB member articles section (link below) We need to wake people up to what is happening in our societies. Thank you!
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@thackney no worries. I didn’t know they existed until recently.
It’s also available in .308 for people that want a larger round.
And I’m actively on the lookout around here for those Hornaday LEVERevolution rounds.
I have levers in 357 and 44 mag. I have a box of each if I ever need to reach a little farther or use for hunting.
Steel butt plates and 44 mag are not a wise decision.
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A hunting buddy I've known since the 1st grade shot many a deer with his 44mag. Not a lever gun though. He had one of the orig Ruger 44 Carbines.
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A hunting buddy I've known since the 1st grade shot many a deer with his 44mag. Not a lever gun though. He had one of the orig Ruger 44 Carbines.
Another 44 steel butt plate, the semi-auto would help a little.
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I have levers in 357 and 44 mag. I have a box of each if I ever need to reach a little farther or use for hunting.
Steel butt plates and 44 mag are not a wise decision.
I've been trying to talk my wife into getting a .357 lever gun since she shoots and carries .357 revolvers.
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I've been trying to talk my wife into getting a .357 lever gun since she shoots and carries .357 revolvers.
I really like it fun to shoot. And 38 give no kick at all for the beginner to try it.
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I have levers in 357 and 44 mag. I have a box of each if I ever need to reach a little farther or use for hunting.
Steel butt plates and 44 mag are not a wise decision.
I never found the recoil from the .44 mag Marlin to be objectionable, certainly nothing like a shotgun or .30-06, or higher powered calibers. A friend had a 7mm Mag he'd built on a synthetic stock for a high country pack gun. Lightweight for packing, but the felt recoil was fairly brutal (three rounds in shirtsleeves and you'd be bruised--and I don't bruise easily).
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I never found the recoil from the .44 mag Marlin to be objectionable, certainly nothing like a shotgun or .30-06, or higher powered calibers. A friend had a 7mm Mag he'd built on a synthetic stock for a high country pack gun. Lightweight for packing, but the felt recoil was fairly brutal (three rounds in shirtsleeves and you'd be bruised--and I don't bruise easily).
See that's why the 30-30 appeals to me. I've got a .30 caliber round at a fairly high velocity to get most jobs done and the recoil is that of any M4/M16 I've fire in the last 30 years.
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See that's why the 30-30 appeals to me. I've got a .30 caliber round at a fairly high velocity to get most jobs done and the recoil is that of any M4/M16 I've fire in the last 30 years.
I have used the Marlin as a brush gun down in the breaks where the longest shot likely is under 200 years. It's great for that and I would find it acceptable for situations where there are obstacles (like brush) because of the short length. It was wonderfully accurate right out of the box.
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@txradioguy
OK,I'm just not a fan of the 5.56mm round. Can see it in something on an Armalite frame,but not with any other type of rifle. MIGHT be ok in a TC Contender with a 14 inch barrel,though.
The TC contender in 5.56 kicks like a mule. My uncle had one. Fired a couple of shots from it and told him I was keeping my Ruger .44.
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The TC contender in 5.56 kicks like a mule. My uncle had one. Fired a couple of shots from it and told him I was keeping my Ruger .44.
I have a Super 14 357 Herrett barrel for my Contender. It's bullet has as much energy at 100 yds as a 44 pistol bullet has at the muzzle. I also have a 22K Hornet and 45/410 barrel for it. That 45/410 barrel has a removable choke that stops the 410 pellets from spinning before they exit. I've shot many a water moccasin up in the trees while boating with it. A hunting buddy got one in 30-30 for his dad after using mine.
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The TC contender in 5.56 kicks like a mule. My uncle had one. Fired a couple of shots from it and told him I was keeping my Ruger .44.
@verga
Really? I had one once I got in a trade,and it had the 10 or maybe the 14 inch bull barrel with a scope. SOB would drive tacks at 100 yards,and I don't remember the recoil being a problem.
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I know this sounds like a stupid question,and apologize in advance if you take offense because offense wasn't meant,but do you "fight" the recoil,or do you allow yourself to "work with it"? Letting the recoil and weapon do what they do naturally instead of trying to use muscle to control it seems to work for me unless I am shooting a rifle with a very poorly designed stock. All you can do in that case is replace the stock with one of proper design.Usually not really much of a problem until you reach the 30 caliber magnum calibers and above,but a really poorly designed stock can beat you to death even with a lesser caliber.
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Considering what's fixing to happen I'm not sure I'd be even posting the guns I own on the internet. Sadly mine were all stolen years ago.....
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Considering what's fixing to happen I'm not sure I'd be even posting the guns I own on the internet. Sadly mine were all stolen years ago.....
@mrpotatohead
Mine are just waiting for some kind agents of the gooberrmint to come around and collect them.
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I never found the recoil from the .44 mag Marlin to be objectionable, certainly nothing like a shotgun or .30-06, or higher powered calibers. A friend had a 7mm Mag he'd built on a synthetic stock for a high country pack gun. Lightweight for packing, but the felt recoil was fairly brutal (three rounds in shirtsleeves and you'd be bruised--and I don't bruise easily).
For me that is strange. I have a bolt action 30-06 and a double barrel 12 gauge; both are easier on me than the lever 44.
I just checked, the 44 is lighter. That may be the reason for my issue.
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For me that is strange. I have a bolt action 30-06 and a double barrel 12 gauge; both are easier on me than the lever 44.
I just checked, the 44 is lighter. That may be the reason for my issue.
And lever gun stocks seem to have a shorter length of pull, so you may not be pulling the butt of the stock back fully into your shoulder.
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And lever gun stocks seem to have a shorter length of pull, so you may not be pulling the butt of the stock back fully into your shoulder.
@Elderberry
The buttstock design is where the problem lies. Bad angle,and too thin.
Also,when these rifles were originally designed,they were designed to fire lower pressure black powder loads,so there was no real reason for thicker buttstocks.
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And lever gun stocks seem to have a shorter length of pull, so you may not be pulling the butt of the stock back fully into your shoulder.
It is a shorter stock. But I guarantee, every time I lift that gun up, I aim, sign in anticipation, pull it damn tight, before I fire. I am much more care free with the 12 gauge. The 30-06 is typically a well planned shot as well.
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I should also say, I have the same lever rifle in 357, although it has the 16" barrel instead of the 20" barrel on the 44 mag.
The 357 is my favorite shooting gun, although I need to improve the sight. Something about that little thing I just love.
Any time I go in the back to shoot, I take that regardless of what else I planned to shoot.
I have to admit on the 44, several times I have levered out the remaining shots, because 8 was just too many.
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Now my 45-70 doesn't kick me bad at all, even with my hotter reloads. But it has a factory recoil pan on it. As for sights, I'm partial to the Williams Foolproof receiver sights that I've put on my 2 lever guns and my Rem 760 30-06 pump. I can't see putting a scope on carbines, especially lever guns.
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@verga
Really? I had one once I got in a trade,and it had the 10 or maybe the 14 inch bull barrel with a scope. SOB would drive tacks at 100 yards,and I don't remember the recoil being a problem.
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I know this sounds like a stupid question,and apologize in advance if you take offense because offense wasn't meant,but do you "fight" the recoil,or do you allow yourself to "work with it"? Letting the recoil and weapon do what they do naturally instead of trying to use muscle to control it seems to work for me unless I am shooting a rifle with a very poorly designed stock. All you can do in that case is replace the stock with one of proper design.Usually not really much of a problem until you reach the 30 caliber magnum calibers and above,but a really poorly designed stock can beat you to death even with a lesser caliber.
@sneakypete I want to make sure we are talking about the same firearm. This was the TC Contender pistol. This one did not have the "bull" barrel and no scope.
You asked a legitimate question. I learned along time ago not to "fight" the recoil. I started out shooting my Dan Wesson .357, moved up to the colt 1911 .45 and went to the Ruger Redhawk .44 mag. I regularly shoot 12 ga. 3 in mag., a .50 cal Hawken Black powder (Kit built myself). None of them jerked me around like the Contender. He and I went to an indoor range that friends of his owned and I was using the .44. He let me shoot the TC. In the .44 I was using 240 gr. JSP Loaded with 12.7 gr Unique (just checked my reloading lg to make sure.) I did not have a Chrono, but the hornady book says they should have been traveling at around 1230-1250 f/s. He was using somewhere around 45-50 gra. Off the shelf stuff. It should have been traveling 3000-3200 F/s. Both guns weighed in the same neighborhood. Like i said I fired a couple of rounds and gave it back
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Now my 45-70 doesn't kick me bad at all, even with my hotter reloads. But it has a factory recoil pan on it. As for sights, I'm partial to the Williams Foolproof receiver sights that I've put on my 2 lever guns and my Rem 760 30-06 pump. I can't see putting a scope on carbines, especially lever guns.
@Elderberry - are those peep sites? I've thought about putting peep sites on my 45-70.
And I totally agree about recoil on the 45-70. You feel it, but it's not painful or anything. I think most people that have issues with recoil are either placing the stock incorrectly up against their collar bone, or they are of light stature and don't have much muscle on their shoulder.
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Now my 45-70 doesn't kick me bad at all, even with my hotter reloads. But it has a factory recoil pan on it. As for sights, I'm partial to the Williams Foolproof receiver sights that I've put on my 2 lever guns and my Rem 760 30-06 pump. I can't see putting a scope on carbines, especially lever guns.
@Elderberry
I MUCH prefer "ghost sights" on carbines.The easy way to get them is buy a peep sight and then remove the "peep". You are left with an rectangular oval and your eye will automatically center the front sight in the middle of the oval.
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Like i said I fired a couple of rounds and gave it back
Smart move. If you don't like one for whatever reason,get rid of it and replace it with something you do like.
Makes no sense to "fight gravity".
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@Elderberry - are those peep sites? I've thought about putting peep sites on my 45-70.
And I totally agree about recoil on the 45-70. You feel it, but it's not painful or anything. I think most people that have issues with recoil are either placing the stock incorrectly up against their collar bone, or they are of light stature and don't have much muscle on their shoulder.
@BassWrangler
Yes. They are "peep sights". I don't know why everyone that doesn't scope a rifle doesn't use peep, aperture, receiver sights. To find one of our military rifles that doesn't use peep sights I think you'd have to go back earlier than the 30-40 Krag.
My go-to place for peep sights, for a whole lotta years, is Brownells. :https://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/sights/rear-sights/fp-94-36-foolproof-receiver-rear-sight-prod106003.aspx?avs%7cManufacturer_1=williams+gun+sight&avs%7cMake_3=Marlin (https://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/sights/rear-sights/fp-94-36-foolproof-receiver-rear-sight-prod106003.aspx?avs%7cManufacturer_1=williams+gun+sight&avs%7cMake_3=Marlin)
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Yes. They are "peep sights". I don't know why everyone that doesn't scope a rifle doesn't use peep, aperture, receiver sights. To find one of our military rifles that doesn't use peep sights I think you'd have to go back earlier than the 30-40 Krag.
I love them, and agree there's a reason why they are on many military rifles.
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@BassWrangler
Yes. They are "peep sights". I don't know why everyone that doesn't scope a rifle doesn't use peep, aperture, receiver sights. To find one of our military rifles that doesn't use peep sights I think you'd have to go back earlier than the 30-40 Krag.
My go-to place for peep sights, for a whole lotta years, is Brownells. :https://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/sights/rear-sights/fp-94-36-foolproof-receiver-rear-sight-prod106003.aspx?avs%7cManufacturer_1=williams+gun+sight&avs%7cMake_3=Marlin (https://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/sights/rear-sights/fp-94-36-foolproof-receiver-rear-sight-prod106003.aspx?avs%7cManufacturer_1=williams+gun+sight&avs%7cMake_3=Marlin)
@Elderberry
Speaking as a former professional gunsmith,you just can't go wrong with ANYTHING you buy from Brownells. They just don't sell junk. Everything you buy from them is pro-quality.
I can still get the "warm and fuzzies" from memories of the new Brownell catalogue coming in the mail,and all the time I would spend poring over it like a kid at Christmas time with a Sears catalogue.
Good memories! Thank you for them.
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@sneakypete
To get peep sights mounted on the first rifle I ever bought myself at the ripe old age of around 14, I went to the appliance store "Proven Products". They had a gunsmith shop in the back of the store. They're still in existence, but they moved, and don't have gunsmith services anymore. After that I mounted all the rest myself, as well as most other gunsmithing I needed to do.
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@Elderberry
Speaking as a former professional gunsmith,you just can't go wrong with ANYTHING you buy from Brownells. They just don't sell junk. Everything you buy from them is pro-quality.
I can still get the "warm and fuzzies" from memories of the new Brownell catalogue coming in the mail,and all the time I would spend poring over it like a kid at Christmas time with a Sears catalogue.
Good memories! Thank you for them.
Brownells is a great company. Love their YouTube channel too.
The best part of the company is how they support the customers with advice, tips, instructions and instructional videos, etc.
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@sneakypete
The other catalog I'd go thru time and again was https://www.gunpartscorp.com/ (https://www.gunpartscorp.com/)
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@BassWrangler
Yes. They are "peep sights". I don't know why everyone that doesn't scope a rifle doesn't use peep, aperture, receiver sights. To find one of our military rifles that doesn't use peep sights I think you'd have to go back earlier than the 30-40 Krag.
My go-to place for peep sights, for a whole lotta years, is Brownells. :https://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/sights/rear-sights/fp-94-36-foolproof-receiver-rear-sight-prod106003.aspx?avs%7cManufacturer_1=williams+gun+sight&avs%7cMake_3=Marlin (https://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/sights/rear-sights/fp-94-36-foolproof-receiver-rear-sight-prod106003.aspx?avs%7cManufacturer_1=williams+gun+sight&avs%7cMake_3=Marlin)
Out at Scout Camp we use peep sights on the .22's. so much easier for the youngsters to learn to use rather than the open sights I started with.
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I like Numrich for hard to find things. I have a 12 ga coach gin that was missing the trigger guard and butt plate. Searched for 2 years at every gun show I went to. Nothing. Numrich had the guard, front screw, rear screw, butt plate and even the screws for that.less than $35. Several other places wanted that much for a butt plate was "close".
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I like Numrich for hard to find things. I have a 12 ga coach gin that was missing the trigger guard and butt plate. Searched for 2 years at every gun show I went to. Nothing. Numrich had the guard, front screw, rear screw, butt plate and even the screws for that.less than $35. Several other places wanted that much for a butt plate was "close".
Numrich is the same company as gunpartscorp mentioned earlier in the year :
https://www.gunpartscorp.com/ (https://www.gunpartscorp.com/)
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I've been buying from them since the early 60's. I don't think I've ever called them Numrich. They were always just "Gun Parts" to me.