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I moved to Lenexa, Kansas in late 1990.
Joan Finney had been elected and was getting set to be governor. She was a democrat. And not just a democrat, but a little on the Whacky Side.
In 1994, Bill Graves took over and served eight years. His affiliation is Republican, but he was about as milque toast RINO as you could be.
Graves served two terms and was replaced by Kathleen Sebelius. You know....of the Oamacare ilk. She was awful.
Mark Parkinson finished her second term for her.
So for my first 22 years there, I never saw a good solid conservative in the state house.
But Kansas was "Deep Red" right ?
Hardly.
The biggest issue was that Conservatives and Moderates could not work together. And when the moderates didn't feel included, they just hopped on board with the left and elected some real losers.
Brownback was elected in 2012 and he turned out to be a POS.
He was replaced by....yep, a democrat.
He was never that bright and it really showed.
Just a thought for you purists who think you are going to purge the party.
The democrat who won Laura Kelly was endorsed by......Sebelius.....Bill Graves.....Nancy Kasebaum (former Kansas REPUBLICAN Senator) and host of others.
She didn't win by much.....but who cares. Except for that idiot Brownback, Kansas will have had democratic or RINO governmors for most of the past 40 years when she leaves office.
A RED STATE....you but.
But one that still doesn't seem to like hard core conservatives.
Arizona might want to understand that.
Not stumping for moderates.
But you don't need to piss them off while you are running.
We'll see if we learn.
https://www.nga.org/former-governors/kansas/
https://www.vox.com/2018/11/6/18056676/midterm-election-results-kansas-governor-laura-kelly-winner
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Keep us informed as to what happens with this election cycle.
The left keeps winning because they have NO sense of right and wrong and lying comes as naturally to them as breathing,and the right keeps losing because they are TOO morally rigid and nobody on the right wants to cooperate with anyone else on the right because "they aren't moral enough for me".
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I don't get why.
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Keep us informed as to what happens with this election cycle.
The left keeps winning because they have NO sense of right and wrong and lying comes as naturally to them as breathing,and the right keeps losing because they are TOO morally rigid and nobody on the right wants to cooperate with anyone else on the right because "they aren't moral enough for me".
I disagree.
There is a left. There is a right. There is a large center.
Rigid, in your face politics is not what people like.
While the left always appeals with "solutions" that intellectually lazy people grab on to, the right isn't far behind with things like MAGA.
Kansas has a history of combative, I'm the man, kind of right wingers who the voters simply inform "not today".
And this is why Kansas is where it is.
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I disagree.
There is a left. There is a right. There is a large center.
Rigid, in your face politics is not what people like.
@HikerGuy83
Yet there are so many people standing in that line.
While the left always appeals with "solutions" that intellectually lazy people grab on to, the right isn't far behind with things like MAGA.
More stupid "anti-rich orange man" nonsense.
Trump did NOT create the conditions that exist today that made him "the last man standing to defend America".
THAT was the 'murikan left and the clueless cretins whose kneejerk reactions is to always run around in circles screaming about how "The sky is falling!"
You know,people like you.
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I've explained Kansas politics in various online fora where the provincials from the coasts think that Kansas is a hard-right state. It is not. It is a center-right state. We functionally have three political parties: the Conservative Republicans, the Moderate Republicans and the Democrats. The first two just settle which will put up a candidate against the third in the GOP primary. The state has had a horror of the hard Left since the Populist Party briefly controlled the legislature in the 1890s and instituted courses in political economy at the Kansas State College of Agriculture and the Mechanical Arts (now Kansas State University) that my colleagues who grew up behind the Iron Curtain would have recognized. Since then, Kansans have kept the legislature firmly in Republican hands (the balance between conservatives and moderates shifting one way or the other over the years), but have, whenever the GOP went off the deep end to the right, given the governorship to a Democrat. The latest example being Laura Kelly, who beat the Trumpier-than-Trump Kris Kobach to win her first term.
Oddly, I know Gov. Kelly, the only Kansas elected official I've actually known in my 33 years living here. Our daughters used to both dance for the Metropolitan Ballet of Topeka, an amateur company attached to the one serious ballet school in the state, one good enough that some of its graduates went on to dance for companies on the coasts.
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More stupid "anti-rich orange man" nonsense.
Trump did NOT create the conditions that exist today that made him "the last man standing to defend America".
THAT was the 'murikan left and the clueless cretins whose kneejerk reactions is to always run around in circles screaming about how "The sky is falling!"
You know,people like you.
It might be less embarrassing for you to refer to other statements as stupid and then make truly stupid statements of your own.
Please show me where I said the sky is falling.
And MAGA does not have to refer to Donald Trump.
It's a rallying cry manufactured by the hard right GOP that has suckered a great many people into it.
Donald Trump is NOT hard right. Never has been.
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Keep us informed as to what happens with this election cycle.
The left keeps winning because they have NO sense of right and wrong and lying comes as naturally to them as breathing,and the right keeps losing because they are TOO morally rigid and nobody on the right wants to cooperate with anyone else on the right because "they aren't moral enough for me".
Like being unwilling to vote for DeSantis if he had won the nomination because he supposedly "betrayed" Trump, and was therefore morally unfit?
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Like being unwilling to vote for DeSantis if he had won the nomination because he supposedly "betrayed" Trump, and was therefore morally unfit?
Or Cruz because Pete secretly knew he was gay because he shared an apartment at one time with another fellow. I guess I would be homo if that is the criteria used to judge. College saw a lot of us guys share living quarters.
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Like being unwilling to vote for DeSantis if he had won the nomination because he supposedly "betrayed" Trump, and was therefore morally unfit?
@Maj. Bill Martin
Maybe you support lying,backstabbing, opportunistic little bitches,but I don't.
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@Maj. Bill Martin
Maybe you support lying,backstabbing, opportunistic little bitches,but I don't.
And you just made @Maj. Bill Martin point…. :silly:
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I don't get why.
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And MAGA does not have to refer to Donald Trump.
It's a rallying cry manufactured by the hard right GOP that has suckered a great many people into it.
Donald Trump is NOT hard right. Never has been.
My exact quote @HikerGuy83 is:
"Make America Great Again" is clarion call to action for a nation in danger. Reagan used this call successfully in 1980 to galvanize the electorate primarily on the economy and defeating communism.
(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51zS4d-XgDL.jpg)
Trump has issued the same clarion call, expanding the danger we are facing to include not only the impacts of an unbalanced global economy, but also our sovereignty and illegal immigration, the erasure of our individual feedoms by an overbearing Federal government and encroaching globalism, societal lawlessness growing exponentially, and the deletion of the American legacy and inheritance from government, education and the courts.
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@HikerGuy83
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My exact quote @HikerGuy83 is:
:2popcorn:
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My exact quote @HikerGuy83 is:
You'll notice that I wasn't quoting you when I posted my response.
So, I don't get your point.
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@Maj. Bill Martin
Maybe you support lying,backstabbing, opportunistic little bitches,but I don't.
Well, that isn't what this thread is about, now is it ?
I am pointing out that Kansas (supposedly deep red.....and they have only elected republican senators for quite some time)....seems to elect RINOS or democrats for governor.
Why ?
Because the hard right, using language just like yours, can't help itself. By hard right, I don't mean far right. I mean something else.
An approach that somehow LOSES.
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I've explained Kansas politics in various online fora where the provincials from the coasts think that Kansas is a hard-right state. It is not. It is a center-right state. We functionally have three political parties: the Conservative Republicans, the Moderate Republicans and the Democrats. The first two just settle which will put up a candidate against the third in the GOP primary. The state has had a horror of the hard Left since the Populist Party briefly controlled the legislature in the 1890s and instituted courses in political economy at the Kansas State College of Agriculture and the Mechanical Arts (now Kansas State University) that my colleagues who grew up behind the Iron Curtain would have recognized. Since then, Kansans have kept the legislature firmly in Republican hands (the balance between conservatives and moderates shifting one way or the other over the years), but have, whenever the GOP went off the deep end to the right, given the governorship to a Democrat. The latest example being Laura Kelly, who beat the Trumpier-than-Trump Kris Kobach to win her first term.
Oddly, I know Gov. Kelly, the only Kansas elected official I've actually known in my 33 years living here. Our daughters used to both dance for the Metropolitan Ballet of Topeka, an amateur company attached to the one serious ballet school in the state, one good enough that some of its graduates went on to dance for companies on the coasts.
Kansas just gets stupid.
If far right politicians acted with some grace they'd win a lot more of the center. As it is (as it seems to be in AZ) it does not take much for the democrats to coax them over to their side (and Kari Lake is getting more scary with time).
When Sam Brownback announced he was leaving, Jerry Moran was a natural. In many ways, so was Todd Tiahart. Both were serving in the house.
Tiahart proceeds to unleash a dumptruck of crap towards Moran (I'd never seen anything like it). A friend, who is pretty apolitical, asked "Who is this bleep Todd Tiahart running these super ugly adds ?". Moran beat Taihart in the primary by about 5% points.
It was a classic example of what I call the entitled right...somehow Tiahart thought that seat was his and he was going to do whatever he needed to (absent any common sense or decency) to get it.
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Kansas just gets stupid.
If far right politicians acted with some grace they'd win a lot more of the center. As it is (as it seems to be in AZ) it does not take much for the democrats to coax them over to their side (and Kari Lake is getting more scary with time).
When Sam Brownback announced he was leaving, Jerry Moran was a natural. In many ways, so was Todd Tiahart. Both were serving in the house.
Tiahart proceeds to unleash a dumptruck of crap towards Moran (I'd never seen anything like it). A friend, who is pretty apolitical, asked "Who is this bleep Todd Tiahart running these super ugly adds ?". Moran beat Taihart in the primary by about 5% points.
It was a classic example of what I call the entitled right...somehow Tiahart thought that seat was his and he was going to do whatever he needed to (absent any common sense or decency) to get it.
@HikerGuy83
Oh,BullBush!
What is considered to be a Republican in places like NY and Kansas would be considered to be a Dim/RINO in an actual conservative state.
Not that an actual conservative will EVER get the backing on alleged Republicans in that state,who most ran as Republicans because there were no openings for the Dim slots.
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@HikerGuy83
Oh,BullBush!
What is considered to be a Republican in places like NY and Kansas would be considered to be a Dim/RINO in an actual conservative state.
Not that an actual conservative will EVER get the backing on alleged Republicans in that state,who most ran as Republicans because there were no openings for the Dim slots.
Would you please confine yourself to the things that are stated instead of offering up vaporous farts as post.
Are you arguing that Todd Tiahart (a so-called conservative) didn't go after Jerry Moran (a so-called conservative) ?
Please let me know what you object to.
Brownback (a so-called conservative) was elected to the senate and then as governor. "Alleged" Republicans obviously supported him.
As to the term "Alleged Republicans", just who are you to cast judgement on anyone else ? What makes you so special ?
In Kansas, there are many "moderates" who tend to be more fiscally responsible but who don't want the kind of social restrictions that some would put in place. When a candidate loses that group....they pretty much lose.
Chris Kobach is a pretty smart guy. He just seems to pick the wrong battles to fight and he's lost just about every race he's been in because of it.
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This thread is about Kansas, supposedly a "red" state that somehow manages to elect morons like Kathleen Sebelius to the statehouse.
Joan Quincey was even worse.
How does that happen ?
The hard right refuses to listen. They think they own the show. And consequently, the state has democratic governors a great deal of the time.
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This thread is about Kansas, supposedly a "red" state that somehow manages to elect morons like Kathleen Sebelius to the statehouse.
Joan Quincey was even worse.
How does that happen ?
The hard right refuses to listen. They think they own the show. And consequently, the state has democratic governors a great deal of the time.
Well, I appreciate this thread. Before, I knew nothing about the lay of the land in Kansas.
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Well, I appreciate this thread. Before, I knew nothing about the lay of the land in Kansas.
Same here
I admit that I assumed that Kansas was a true Red State. Learned something new
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Same here
I admit that I assumed that Kansas was a true Red State. Learned something new
I had originally intended to post this in the Arizona Forum, but I apparently lost track of where I was.
The reasons being that we have Katie Hobbs, a true idiot and a democrat in the statehouse. One of the things that has been stated by Turning Point is that something like 350,000 GOPers who requested ballots didn't return them.
In Kansas, the middle would be frank about how they were turned off by the name calling and head butting in politics.....and they withdrew.
They might still vote, but if they did it was often against the loud mouthed obnoxious name calling fool (sound like someone you might have heard of ?) just like my friend did who knew nothing about Moran but was going to sure helk make it harder for Tiahart.
Arizona is no different.
I thought Kari Lake ran a great general election. However, there were things she stayed with that hurt her. I don't care how important she thinks they were, SHE LOST AND WE HAVE HOBBS. There is no argument there.
Arizona could learn a thing or two from the screw ups of Kansas.
And to sure....Kansas is very red. But many in the middle don't stick to a party line. I know people who voted for Sebelius who also voted for a very conservative state senator. They look at candidates.
So if someone thinks wearing a MAGA sweatshirt gets you points there....forget it.
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Same here
I admit that I assumed that Kansas was a true Red State. Learned something new
Larry Hogan, republican (albeit, not a far right one) was the governor of Maryland....decidedly blue.
Chris Christie, a republican was the governor of New Jersey.....decidedly blue.
New Mexico elected Susana Martinez, a republican and then re-elected her. New Mexico is so freaking blue, it hurts.
It happens. People need to stop and wonder why.
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In Kansas, the middle would be frank about how they were turned off by the name calling and head butting in politics.....and they withdrew.
They might still vote, but if they did it was often against the loud mouthed obnoxious name calling fool (sound like someone you might have heard of ?) just like my friend did who knew nothing about Moran but was going to sure helk make it harder for Tiahart.
I know quite a few people who either didn’t vote for either of the presidential candidates in 2016 or 2020 or voted for the Democrat candidate for POTUS in both years but voted Republican down ticket
Despite Trump losing in 2020, people forget that Republicans gained 14 seats in the House of Representatives that year. in fact, if I recall correctly, not one Republican house incumbent lost their seat that year.
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@Maj. Bill Martin
Maybe you support lying,backstabbing, opportunistic little bitches,but I don't.
Maybe you need to sit down and discuss that with this guy:
...and the right keeps losing because they are TOO morally rigid and nobody on the right wants to cooperate with anyone else on the right because "they aren't moral enough for me".
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If far right politicians acted with some grace they'd win a lot more of the center.
For some reason, pointing out that 100% true statement means you're a wimp, or a RINO, or some other perjorative of the day. Of course, none of the insults change the essential truth of the statement. Some voters don't care about things like civility, but some due. And losing the votes of the latter just to amuse the former isn't smart.
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For some reason, pointing out that 100% true statement means you're a wimp, or a RINO, or some other perjorative of the day. Of course, none of the insults change the essential truth of the statement. Some voters don't care about things like civility, but some due. And losing the votes of the latter just to amuse the former isn't smart.
If I am not mistaken, I think we've been using "grace" for decades, and all it's gotten in return is increasing levels of chicanery.
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If I am not mistaken, I think we've been using "grace" for decades, and all it's gotten in return is increasing levels of chicanery.
Grace??? You want to hear about grace?
Listen!
https://www.iheart.com/podcast/44-the-michael-berry-show-27764850/episode/steve-baker-is-a-journalist-who-164786786/
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If I am not mistaken, I think we've been using "grace" for decades, and all it's gotten in return is increasing levels of chicanery.
Grace is not the same as abandoning conservative principles. Reagan had grace but stuck to conservative principles, and Thatcher was the Iron Lady, not the Iron Handjob During A Play Skank. In contrast, GHWB had grace, but went "squishy" at time.
Trump lacks grace, and also doesn't stick to any discernable principles. I fail to see how that is a good approach for advancing conservatism.
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The biggest issue was that Conservatives and Moderates could not work together. And when the moderates didn't feel included, they just hopped on board with the left and elected some real losers.
Very similar to the California R Party: when conservatives are nominated for statewide offices, the Mo-o-o-o-ooooooooderates pick up their toys (= $$$) and go home; when a Mo-o-o-o-ooooooooderate gets nominated, they spend almost as much time with, "I am not one of those conservatives," messaging as actually disagreeing with their Dem opponent. Until Mo-o-o-o-ooooooooderates get over their hatred for conservatives the R Party will not climb out of irrelevancy in California politics.
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Very similar to the California R Party: when conservatives are nominated for statewide offices, the Mo-o-o-o-ooooooooderates pick up their toys (= $$$) and go home; when a Mo-o-o-o-ooooooooderate gets nominated, they spend almost as much time with, "I am not one of those conservatives," messaging as actually disagreeing with their Dem opponent. Until Mo-o-o-o-ooooooooderates get over their hatred for conservatives the R Party will not climb out of irrelevancy in California politics.
I think you have it backwards.
I brought up this point because in Kansas you had hard line conservatives (one in particular) who said "We don't need them. They need us". My posting of the history of the Governor says that wasn't true and it still isn't. They have a democratic governor. She's not a crazy woman like Quincy which is why she'll be there for another term.
Instead of asking what they are doing wrong, conservatives there (of which I was one) tended to blame everything else but themselves.
Well, it's often the conservatives who say "my way or the highway" and you get what Kansas (and Arizona) got.....democratic governors.
We don't have to win on every issue. Our message of Liberty, self-direction, and decentralization is a winning message. Many moderates like much of that and they don't vote for democrats lightly. But when they are made to feel they are in a war with the gascan rhetoric that whackjobs on the right spew.....they decide a democrat in office is better.
In Kansas, every political meeting I attended spent way to much time on abortion. And it was the defining issue for many. It really did get boring.
We just could not leave it alone.
And so taxes, other liberties, education, and tons of other things suffered because we just could not get used to the idea of not talking about it ALL THE TIME.
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I recall sitting in a meeting where there was a fellow who worked for a right leaning group. He was a pollster and a statistician.
He made the comment "Conservatives are seen as being to intrusive into people's personal lives and into their bedrooms".
This guy is reporting what he got from polling and survey information. I trusted him. I thought...well "That's interesting".
Several people came out of their seats and screamed at him "That's not true !".
I was shocked. What wasn't true. That they didn't or that they were perceived that way ?
Here he is, providing feedback (people's perceptions) and people wanted to argue with him.
I was astonished.
Depending on who you read, the difference in divorce rates between Conservatives and Left-Wingers is the same. Yet, it seems conservatives are want to spout something different.
Marriage is incredibly important to the stability of a nation. And yet our divorce rate (collectively) is terrible.
Seems like we need to be willing to take a hard look inside and be honest about what we are and about what we are not.
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Grace is not the same as abandoning conservative principles. Reagan had grace but stuck to conservative principles, and Thatcher was the Iron Lady, not the Iron Handjob During A Play Skank. In contrast, GHWB had grace, but went "squishy" at time.
Trump lacks grace, and also doesn't stick to any discernable principles. I fail to see how that is a good approach for advancing conservatism.
If by Grace, it means we are rolling over, that is true. But rolling over isn't getting along.
We have corrupt and inept people in Washington D.C. and we, in Arizona are doiong a great job of getting the other side elected by looking like a bunch of untrustworthy fools.
Who is talking about good principles in Arizona ?
Kari Lake ? Record people without telling them and sharing it with others ? I don't want any part of that kind of principle.
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I recall sitting in a meeting where there was a fellow who worked for a right leaning group. He was a pollster and a statistician.
He made the comment "Conservatives are seen as being to intrusive into people's personal lives and into their bedrooms".
This guy is reporting what he got from polling and survey information. I trusted him. I thought...well "That's interesting".
Several people came out of their seats and screamed at him "That's not true !".
I was shocked. What wasn't true. That they didn't or that they were perceived that way ?
Here he is, providing feedback (people's perceptions) and people wanted to argue with him.
I was astonished.
Depending on who you read, the difference in divorce rates between Conservatives and Left-Wingers is the same. Yet, it seems conservatives are want to spout something different.
Marriage is incredibly important to the stability of a nation. And yet our divorce rate (collectively) is terrible.
Seems like we need to be willing to take a hard look inside and be honest about what we are and about what we are not.
I agree. There is a certain brand of conservative who gets angry whenever you mention to them facts that undercut the idea that conservatives can get what they want simply by "sticking to their guns".
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I agree. There is a certain brand of conservative who gets angry whenever you mention to them facts that undercut the idea that conservatives can get what they want simply by "sticking to their guns".
Well they'll certainly *NOT* get what they want by *not* sticking to their guns... So what now?
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Well they'll certainly *NOT* get what they want by *not* sticking to their guns... So what now?
Sure you can. You just can't get it all at once. You have to know where to bend a bit to when necessary to build a majority coalition on an issue. Because without a voting majority, you can't pass anything.
That's better than insisting on 100% purity and getting nothing because you don't have a majority.
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Sure you can. You just can't get it all at once. You have to know where to bend a bit to when necessary to build a majority coalition on an issue. Because without a voting majority, you can't pass anything.
That's better than insisting on 100% purity and getting nothing because you don't have a majority.
Nah. Fifty years belies that. The only times that the ball moved right was when it was demanded.
I am all for compromise - But that is after the unmovable things are honored all around.
And if they are not, then there is no point in coalition.
And the 100% purity shtick is getting old.
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And the 100% purity shtick is getting old.
So is handing the governorship of a red state over to the other side on a routine basis.
You don't have to agree to anything.
You just don't have to come off as a raving lunatic or nominating someone who does.
Kobach...smart guy. But's he's lost enough races and built enough baggage that he should have been through. He really is 20 years past his prime.
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Well they'll certainly *NOT* get what they want by *not* sticking to their guns... So what now?
50% of something is better than 100% of nothing.
And sticking to your guns doesn't mean you wave them around all the time and threaten anyone who doesn't agree with you.
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So is handing the governorship of a red state over to the other side on a routine basis.
You don't have to agree to anything.
You just don't have to come off as a raving lunatic or nominating someone who does.
Kobach...smart guy. But's he's lost enough races and built enough baggage that he should have been through. He really is 20 years past his prime.
Oh I dunno... I think it takes a while to re-jigger. I am willing to wait. If y'all shovel what ever's left of the McAin't types out of office down there, that'd be worth it for a little while.
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50% of something is better than 100% of nothing.
And sticking to your guns doesn't mean you wave them around all the time and threaten anyone who doesn't agree with you.
Except that ain't how it works... And fifty years prove it. So stop eating sh*t sandwiches because they promise to feed you better on Tuesday... Tuesday never comes. You have to take it from them. Take it back.
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Except that ain't how it works... And fifty years prove it. So stop eating sh*t sandwiches because they promise to feed you better on Tuesday... Tuesday never comes. You have to take it from them. Take it back.
Yes....we've done it your way and we've taken NOTHING BACK.
I am not saying roll over. I am saying just don't be such an idiot about your positions.
if you like Laren Bobert (as a representative), then you are the one feasting on sandwiches made in a sewage plant.
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@Maj. Bill Martin
Maybe you support lying,backstabbing, opportunistic little bitches,but I don't.
Seeing how Trump turned on DeSantis long before DeSantis turned on Trump, that makes you the 'backstabbing-bitch' supporter.
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Yes....we've done it your way and we've taken NOTHING BACK.
Actually no... The TEA party was an historic movement. It overturned more seats than ever. Grass roots, ground up. Highly effective. Took a helluva lot back.
I am not saying roll over. I am saying just don't be such an idiot about your positions.
Then you don't understand how political Conservatism works.
if you like Laren Bobert (as a representative), then you are the one feasting on sandwiches made in a sewage plant.
*shrugs* I don't dislike her. I'll take anyone with a 100% Liberty score. 98/93 Heritage.
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Actually no... The TEA party was an historic movement. It overturned more seats than ever. Grass roots, ground up. Highly effective. Took a helluva lot back.
Historic in the sense that they are history. What happened ? Trump absorbed some of it and the rest of it died.
And our overturned seats have overturned back.
We cant win elections in Georgia.
I am not talking about "go along to get along". I don't believe in that. And that is not what I am talking about.
It's more like "Keep the crazies out of the room".
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Then you don't understand how political Conservatism works.
By all means, feel free to explain it to me.
The Tea Party fights for the Budget Control Act.
And the GOP pretty much killed it.
And who helped do that.....Trump. The King of Debt (his words).
So, I am really interested to hear just WTH you are talking about.
If you think conservative politics means letting Boebert and MTG run the show (all the while we pillory their analoges like AOC and the Squad), you don't even know what conservative politics means.
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*shrugs* I don't dislike her. I'll take anyone with a 100% Liberty score. 98/93 Heritage.
Yep, we get that.
She's all Trump.
She's all MAGA (which no one can define with specifics).
She's a personal mess.
She's got a big mouth and makes AOC look smart.
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We'll go back to Kansas.
Kansas conservatives contain a certain cross section of "take no prisoners" types who get loud and make things harder for everyone else.
Like Boebert, they become the focal point of the opposition who hold them up and use them paint the rest of conservatives as being the same.
Which they are not.
In the end, Kansas elects more stupidity than I can describe (in the form of democrats like Sebelius and Graves).
And they think the same formula will work....(I know we lost, we just are not crazy enough).
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Historic in the sense that they are history. What happened ? Trump absorbed some of it and the rest of it died.
And our overturned seats have overturned back.
Your view is too narrow IMHO. Twenty-five states were revitalized, and a good portion of those states bureaucrats are TEA. The Conservative Caucus formed there left its vestiges in the Freedom Caucus today.
We cant win elections in Georgia.
Right. With Republicans in downright collusion with Democrats to guarantee the political landscape - Yoou do well to point to it... But for the wrong reason.
I am not talking about "go along to get along". I don't believe in that. And that is not what I am talking about.
It's more like "Keep the crazies out of the room".
BOTH SIDES have 'crazies'. Their side is honored and showered with accolades. Our side, they're kicked under the bus and run over. Then one wonders why the field is always moving leftward.
But these things wax and wane. And what is political gospel today can be overturned in an instant. The reason orthodoxy is so important is to anchor some ground in some place for folks to return to. The return is inevitable.
And the same thing is happening on the other side. Two dragons, fighting (oh the prophecies that speak of that!). Losing ground is never guaranteed. Keep swinging. Even with your last breath. Because the signal change could come, even yet. Revival, redemption comes in calamity.
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By all means, feel free to explain it to me.
The Tea Party fights for the Budget Control Act.
And the GOP pretty much killed it.
And who helped do that.....Trump. The King of Debt (his words).
So, I am really interested to hear just WTH you are talking about.
And there it is. There's the reality of it. I have been railed in this very forum for claiming 'the Big Show' ain't the truth... That our fight is not with the Democrats. The REAL danger, the primary danger is ON THE RIGHT. We have to get our own house in order before we can be ready to throw stones at Democrats.
People forget that the Republicans have three houses... Three wings... Right, Center, and Left, within the Republican party. Conservatives invariably come only from the Right wing, the Goldwater/Reagan wing. The Left wing, think Romney and Tumpy, are back-east big money elites. They are every bit the liberals that the far left are. And lastly there's the 'Moderates'... The so-called 'center wing'. Think the Bushes, McCain, Dole - Think NEOCONs - The new 'kinder, gentler conservatism'.
That's the landscape of the 'right'. The moderates have held power at the federal level ever since Reagan left the White House. They have held the congressional and senate leadership all the way along, with two shining exceptions: The 94 Congress (Contract with America), and the TEA Party.
The success of the 94 Congress was short lived, but effective. It bent the will of Clinton. It's the only time we came close to a budget, not to mention a balanced budget, in modern times.But it was short-lived because it was initiated from the top. The moderates quickly resumed control during Dubya's term - Several leaders from the right were corrupted and retired,and viola! the Center ascended again.
The TEA party was a different critter. The TEA party did not start from the top. It started in the grassroots and burned like a wildfire through the Obama years, gutting counties and states, and overturning them.The Power, from the states on down, lies largely with the Conservatives in Right leaning states. The shining glory of that was Cruz. A very reasonable minority of TEA Partiers made it into Congress, Cruz among them. When Cruz looked to be able to ascend to presidential power, something had to be done. Enter Tumpy He stole the message and defamed Cruz - I don't know that he will ever recover. But Tumpy doesn't really care about the message. That's all a show for the rubes, as proven by his record.
And so the powers at the federal level snuffed out the Tea Party fire. MurderTurdle got his name from throttling Conservative candidates' campaigns in their infancy, making sure they got primaried. The 'Gang of Eight' made sure to stand in the way of Conservative legislation. Conservatives cannot rise to set things right and destroy liberalism, until they wrest the knife out of the hand of Moderates, because the moderate will stab them in the back every time. The fight is for the power on the Right. Not with Democrats. . Once Coservatives have gained that control, THEN they can go after the Left effectively.
That's why, btw, Tumpy is an enormous waste of time and money.
If you think conservative politics means letting Boebert and MTG run the show (all the while we pillory their analoges like AOC and the Squad), you don't even know what conservative politics means.
Nah. They're all assholes and idiots. All of em. I bet there ain't but a handful of em that ain't got dirt. I think Boebert came out swinging and wouldn't play 'comes along gets along' with leadership. so her particular assholeness was let out to the press to effectively cut off her power.
Do you really think she's the only one that acts like that? They ALL do. Power does that to everyone. But the press gets Conservatives served up on a plate... They purposefully make the far right look bad, every chance they get. Why that is so glaring is that the press does not go after the rest of em.
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Yep, we get that.
She's all Trump.
She's all MAGA (which no one can define with specifics).
I don't like that much. And her ACU/Heritage score has nothing to do with her support of Tumpy. I would put that in spite of her support of Tumpy. In fact, I hold her support of Tumpy to be the worst black mark upon her.
She's a personal mess.
She's got a big mouth and makes AOC look smart.
Yeah... Not a good look. But I don't care. All I care about is her electability and her record. I don't think her missteps will hang her up. She's a mountain girl from a mountain state - Like Palin, all that tempest is kinda expected. I will bet it is shrugged off by her constituency. Rocky mountain states are decidedly more libertarian than our fellows. Her private life is unfortunate, but her own mess. That can be lived down. Her votes will matter.
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And there it is. There's the reality of it. I have been railed in this very forum for claiming 'the Big Show' ain't the truth... That our fight is not with the Democrats. The REAL danger, the primary danger is ON THE RIGHT. We have to get our own house in order before we can be ready to throw stones at Democrats.
I am totally on board with that one.
Time to clean house.
Kari Lake gone.
Trump gone.
But we need to be developing good candidates to take their places. Not opportunists like Blake Masters.
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I don't like that much. And her ACU/Heritage score has nothing to do with her support of Tumpy. I would put that in spite of her support of Tumpy. In fact, I hold her support of Tumpy to be the worst black mark upon her.
Yeah... Not a good look. But I don't care. All I care about is her electability and her record. I don't think her missteps will hang her up. She's a mountain girl from a mountain state - Like Palin, all that tempest is kinda expected. I will bet it is shrugged off by her constituency. Rocky mountain states are decidedly more libertarian than our fellows. Her private life is unfortunate, but her own mess. That can be lived down. Her votes will matter.
Good chance she's not going back to congress.
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Do you really think she's the only one that acts like that? They ALL do. Power does that to everyone. But the press gets Conservatives served up on a plate... They purposefully make the far right look bad, every chance they get. Why that is so glaring is that the press does not go after the rest of em.
My congresscritter is Andy Bigg. He comes to our LD and speaks and he is sharp, level-headed, funny (seriously...he's got a great sense of humor), and informative. He's not the firebreathing ignorant twit that is Lb or MTG.
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My congresscritter is Andy Bigg. He comes to our LD and speaks and he is sharp, level-headed, funny (seriously...he's got a great sense of humor), and informative. He's not the firebreathing ignorant twit that is Lb or MTG.
Then consider yourself lucky. I am utterly unimpressed by the shape of oratory prowess these days. None hold me breathless. None inspire to greatness. All are mundane, with the appeal of a poor car salesman.
That is likely an offshoot of the poor state of storytelling, but I digress...
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Then consider yourself lucky. I am utterly unimpressed by the shape of oratory prowess these days. None hold me breathless. None inspire to greatness. All are mundane, with the appeal of a poor car salesman.
That is likely an offshoot of the poor state of storytelling, but I digress...
Biggs is very good. I have met him on several occasions. My rep is Paul Gosar, also good.
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Then consider yourself lucky. I am utterly unimpressed by the shape of oratory prowess these days. None hold me breathless. None inspire to greatness. All are mundane, with the appeal of a poor car salesman.
That is likely an offshoot of the poor state of storytelling, but I digress...
Don't get me wrong. I like Bigg more because he is informative about what is going on.
I feel bad because sometimes when he is talking I can see a sadness in his face.
But he's also entertaining. Sometimes it's just him blowing off steam....but it's funny.
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Sam Brownback never looked better than an eighth grader on drugs when talking.
It was painful to watch.
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I like Andy. Here is a picture of us from a Lincoln Day Dinner in Lake Havasu City:
(https://i.imgur.com/8zVCord.jpg)