Former President Donald Trump is intensifying his attacks on Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, calling him disloyal and saying that his political career would have been over had he not endorsed his ultimately successful 2018 campaign.
“He was dead as a dog, he was a dead politician. He would have been working perhaps for a law firm or doing something else,” Trump told a small group of reporters aboard his plane on Monday afternoon en route to Iowa, where he was to make an appearance that evening.
Asked if he regretted endorsing Ron DeSantis for governor in 2018, Donald Trump responded: “Yeah maybe, this guy was dead. He was dead as a doornail.” | Alex Brandon/AP Photo
By ALEX ISENSTADT
03/13/2023 05:25 PM EDT
Former President Donald Trump is intensifying his attacks on Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, calling him disloyal and saying that his political career would have been over had he not endorsed his ultimately successful 2018 campaign.
“He was dead as a dog, he was a dead politician. He would have been working perhaps for a law firm or doing something else,” Trump told a small group of reporters aboard his plane on Monday afternoon en route to Iowa, where he was to make an appearance that evening.
Asked if he regretted endorsing DeSantis for governor in 2018, Trump responded: “Yeah maybe, this guy was dead. He was dead as a doornail…I might say that.”
Trump spent nearly ten minutes going after DeSantis, who is widely viewed as his most formidable challenger for the Republican nomination. The Florida governor, who is expected to launch his campaign following the end of the state’s legislative session in May, has been embarking on a swing of early primary states to promote his newly released memoir — including in Iowa, where he appeared on Friday.
I would be surprised if he didn't call him out after being virtually stabbed in the back politically by him.
Stabbed in the back? How so?
@Hoodat
You are kidding,right?
Nobody outside of Florida knew who DeSantis was until he was hooked up with Trump and everybody became convinced he would be a good VP candidate for Trump and a good man to take over after Trump has to leave office after one more term.
@Hoodat
You are kidding,right?
Nobody outside of Florida knew who DeSantis was until he was hooked up with Trump and everybody became convinced he would be a good VP candidate for Trump and a good man to take over after Trump has to leave office after one more term.
@Hoodat hrar
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You are kidding,right?
Nobody outside of Florida knew who DeSantis was until he was hooked up with Trump and everybody became convinced he would be a good VP candidate for Trump and a good man to take over after Trump has to leave office after one more term.
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Why should I vote for a person who lost to Joe Biden?
And who wants to continue Biden’s spending binge
@sneakypete
Again, how did DeSantis stab Trump in the back? Please be specific.
I would be surprised if he didn't call him out after being virtually stabbed in the back politically by him.
If DeSantis wins the Republican nomination,I will NOT be voting for him. He has just proven he can't be trusted.
@Hoodat
Announcing he is COMPETING with Trump for the top spot isn't stabbing him in the back after the "name recognition boost" that Trump gave him by announcing he would pick him for VP?
@Hoodat
Announcing he is COMPETING with Trump for the top spot isn't stabbing him in the back after the "name recognition boost" that Trump gave him by announcing he would pick him for VP?
Why should I vote for a person who lost to Joe Biden?
There are two things that are making an already thin skinned Trump meltdown
First, DeSantis is a threat. People like Hogan, Haley have no chance
Secondly, DeSantis has a record of being more of a deficit hawk and Trump wants to spend and grow the debt
Po widdle baby Twumpee. Such a thin-skinned little snowflake.
@LMAO
An outright lie. He wants the economy to grow,but so does everyone else. He does NOT want to increase the debt,but will have no choice in the matter,thanks to Slow Joe and his RINO butt-buddies spending bills that he,or whoever else becomes the next President will have to deal with.
The FACTS are the Dims and their RINO boyfriends WANT the economy to crash so they can pass legislation that will give them total,Soviet-style control over the economy.
It is the career leftist politicians and their banker pals that want this. No one else.
And you can bet your bippy that they are going to write and pass a BUNCH of spending bills right before the next election.
We either elect an outsider that can't be bought or bribed instead of a career politician,or America is over after the next election.
I'm just going to point out that Trump himself has absolutely trashed DeSantis, calling him a "RINO Globalist", trashing his policies on COVID, and now saying he shouldn't have endorsed him.
And that is who DeSantis is now that he has "Presidential lights" in his eyes.
And those comments have been cheered on by a great many Trump supporters, including some here Perhaps not you (I honestly don't remember), but many.
So I always find it odd when many of those same people say he should be Trump's VP in 2024, or would be a great successor to Trump in 2028.
And he was,before he saw the bright lights in his eyes and started his campaign because he didn't want to wait another 4 years to be President. Trump "made him" a major player by saying he would choose him for his VP running mate,and now DeSantis is showing his true character by stabbing Trump in the back.
I don't get it. If he's truly a RINO globalist, etc., as Trump says, then why would any Trump supporters want anything to do with the guy as veep in 2024 or as President in 2028?
Do you have a reading comprehension problem? I am already on the record as saying I will NOT vote for DeSantis regardless of who the Dim candidate is.
Please. Just because he wasn't on your radar that doesn't mean that others were ignorant of his existence.
Why should I vote for a person who lost to Joe Biden?
@LMAO
An outright lie. He wants the economy to grow,but so does everyone else. He does NOT want to increase the debt,but will have no choice in the matter,thanks to Slow Joe and his RINO butt-buddies spending bills that he,or whoever else becomes the next President will have to deal with.
Again, stop with the orange silliness.....
Deficit additon numbers by POTUS adjusted for inflation in what I have calculated with a 1981 Reagan CPI as Benchmark Year....
1. Trump- $1.707T/yr. ($567 B/yr. inflation adjusted)
2. Obama- $1.039T/yr ($372 B/yr. inflation adjusted)
3. GWB- $763 B/yr. ($314 B/yr. inflation adjusted)
4. GWHB- $388 B/yr.($237 B/yr. inflation adjusted)
5. Reagan- $232 B/yr. ($166 B/yr. inflation adjusted)
6. WJC- $174 B/yr. ($86 B/yr. Inflation adjusted)
So stop with the BS, and go play with your Donald Trump collector cards......
And who wants to continue Biden’s spending binge
@LMAO
You know he is rude,too?
@LMAO
You know he is rude,too?
So, we can put @sneakypete down as a Biden supporter.
@Kamaji
I may even vote for Biden if Trump isn't the Republican candidate.
At least that way maybe I will still be young enough to pick up a rifle and go into politics when the NWO takes over.
Either Trump,or some other non-professional pol like him takes over,or the next election will signal the end of America as a nation of free people,and Trump is the only non-professional political candidate that has been put through that wringer and understands what he will be up against.
Again, stop with the orange silliness.....
Deficit additon numbers by POTUS adjusted for inflation in what I have calculated with a 1981 Reagan CPI as Benchmark Year....
1. Trump- $1.707T/yr. ($567 B/yr. inflation adjusted)
2. Obama- $1.039T/yr ($372 B/yr. inflation adjusted)
3. GWB- $763 B/yr. ($314 B/yr. inflation adjusted)
4. GWHB- $388 B/yr.($237 B/yr. inflation adjusted)
5. Reagan- $232 B/yr. ($166 B/yr. inflation adjusted)
6. WJC- $174 B/yr. ($86 B/yr. Inflation adjusted)
So stop with the BS, and go play with your Donald Trump collector cards......
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How is that anything than pathetic snowflake deflection to a statement you cannot refute?
@catfish1957
Trump,like every other President in history inherited the previous Presidents budget and had to spend his first two years dealing with that.
Plus he had the RINO's in the alleged Republican Party stabbing him in the back because they feared losing their kickbacks for selling America out to the left.
And frankly,his inexperience with government and his life-long experience as a major capitalist investor that could trust the people he hired to not stab him in the back hurt him.
@Kamaji
With ALL due respect,ESAD!
@catfish1957
Trump,like every other President in history inherited the previous Presidents budget and had to spend his first two years dealing with that.
So you're a snowflake, who cannot stand the thought that your treasured favorite candidate might not get the nomination by acclamation, so you engage in a little "I'm taking my ball home" tantrum to get your way.
How childish.
So you are basically stating that the first two years of Biden are Trump's responsibility? Wow, that makes the numbers even worse.
@catfish1957
Logic ain't your strong point,is it?
So you are basically stating that the first two years of Biden are Trump's responsibility? Wow, that makes the numbers even worse.
How is that anything than pathetic snowflake deflection to a statement you cannot refute?
@Kevindadavison
I dunno. Maybe because you,like many RINO "Party People",think he is rude and uncouth?
@Kamaji
No,I am a realist,not a childlike dreamer that actually thinks you can keep on voting for the Party People and make things change. Your children will end up cursing you for your Party People votes.
Why should I vote for a person who lost to Joe Biden?
The🐰FOO
@PolitiBunny
Would someone close to Trump please tell him that he’s doing exactly what the Left/Democrats want him to? It’s a primary, I get it, but nothing would terrify them more than a Republican primary truly based on the best policies for America instead of a personal pissing match. Thx.
7:03 AM · Mar 14, 2023
It's all about policy differences and RDS's propensity to hide them @mountaineerIf Trump actually were focusing on policy differences, I'd say go for it, other potential candidates are fair game. But he's not. He's only engaging in namecalling and hyperbole. DeSanctus. DeSanctimonious. Enough, already.
Damn important in a primary contest.
If Trump actually were focusing on policy differences, I'd say go for it, other potential candidates are fair game. But he's not. He's only engaging in namecalling and hyperbole. DeSanctus. DeSanctimonious. Enough, already.
pointing-up
This
We can weigh all the candidates records. And we will also look at Ron DeSantis along with Donald Trump.
This isn’t like, for example, the 1980 Republican primary, were both Reagan and Bush traded jabs over policy differences. This is a former president who is acting like a jilted 15-year-old girl.
This is the same former president who likes Twitter wars with the likes of Rosie O’Donnell, Meghan McCain all to the cheers of his most rabid supporters
If Trump actually were focusing on policy differences, I'd say go for it, other potential candidates are fair game. But he's not. He's only engaging in namecalling and hyperbole. DeSanctus. DeSanctimonious. Enough, already.
The problem that people like RIV have is that we do have a record when it comes to Donald Trump. We also have a record when it comes to Ron DeSantis. What were told by Trump supporters is to ignore the record and just hear what he saying at his rallies or posted YouTube videos
Trump said he nicknamed DeSantis “Ron DeSanctimonious,” in reference to the lack of gratitude he claimed that DeSantis has shown after Trump bolstered his political rise.
The problem that people like RIV have is that we do have a record when it comes to Donald Trump. We also have a record when it comes to Ron DeSantis
I knew he had no idea what this word meant.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/03/13/trump-pence-iowa/
The🐰FOO
@PolitiBunny
Would someone close to Trump please tell him that he’s doing exactly what the Left/Democrats want him to? It’s a primary, I get it, but nothing would terrify them more than a Republican primary truly based on the best policies for America instead of a personal pissing match. Thx.
7:03 AM · Mar 14, 2023
A president is tied to a previous administrations budget, probably in their first year of their presidency.
His defense of Trump’s spending binge does not pass the reality check
No, you're being a spoilt little child. Sorry, sauce for the goose is sauce for the ganger. All of the Trump supporters got their undies in a super-duper twist about people saying that if Trump was the nominee, they would not vote for him, and those people were accused of secretly supporting, first Clinton (in 2016) and then Biden (in 2020). So now that the shoe's on the other foot, you get hoist on your own petard.
@Hoodat
Announcing he is COMPETING with Trump for the top spot isn't stabbing him in the back after the "name recognition boost" that Trump gave him by announcing he would pick him for VP?
Trump ran against Clinton? In what universe did this happen?
Pay attention to what Trump says.....not the reporting of it.
If Trump actually were focusing on policy differences, I'd say go for it, other potential candidates are fair game. But he's not. He's only engaging in namecalling and hyperbole. DeSanctus. DeSanctimonious. Enough, already.
It’s so childish. And entirely unnecessary.
Have you ever wondered why Republicans candidates lose elections @debrawiest ?
@sneakypete
First off, DeSantis made no such announcement.
@Hoodat
Seriously? Hasn't his campaign made an announcement that he is getting ready to make an announcement?
Secondly, Trump hasn't asked DeSantis to be his VP.
Gee,I wonder why?
It would be foolish if he did since it would mean he would forfeit Florida's electoral votes in 2024. And third, DeSantis is already governor of the third most populous State in the country. There is no "name recognition boost" that Trump could give him.
WTH was THAT about?
Three false statements in a single claim. Three.
You made them,you explain them.
And not one of them addresses the original question. For the third time, how did DeSantis stab Trump in the back?
By running against Trump for the office of President in the upcoming Presidential elections.
You are NOT as retarded as you are trying to appear,even if you are starting to sound like a RINO or Dim smear doctor. You know all this,but think you are being clever by repeating the same lies over and over because you KNOW a certain percentage of people will believe them.
Do you get paid for being pimped out by DeSantis?
Please cite something that actually happened instead of making shit up on the fly.
I could never compete with a spin doctor like you.
BTW, it also does DeSantis no favors to whine ad nauseam that his opponent is being too mean to him.
And as an aside, DeSantis hasn't once stated that Trump has been too mean to him, much less "whined ad nauseum".I haven't heard any of that, either.
@sneakypete
For the fourth time, how did DeSantis stab Trump in the back?
@Hoodat
Why bother to answer your dumb-ass question when you already know the answer,and just want to get rid of the "Rude Orange Man".
Have you ever wondered why Republicans candidates lose elections @debrawiest ? In large part it's because Republicans allow their opponents to not only define them, but also allow their opponents to blatantly rewrite their own hagiographies. Trump doesn't play this game; never has. Eveyone knows this.
BTW, it also does DeSantis no favors to whine ad nauseam that his opponent is being too mean to him. This only makes it even more difficult to believe RDS is ready to be the leader of the free world and a viable threat to the rest of it. Just thought you should know.
Nor does it do Trump any favors to whine ad nauseum about everyone who has been "disloyal" to him. .
And as an aside, DeSantis hasn't once stated that Trump has been too mean to him, much less "whined ad nauseum".
But, with what would you ever fill your days if he stopped?
YOU are the one whining ad nauseam ------ It's starting to splatter all over DeSantis, and this not Tiny D's best look. Just thought you'd want to know.
But, with what would you ever fill your days if he stopped?
YOU are the one whining ad nauseam ------ It's starting to splatter all over DeSantis, and this not Tiny D's best look. Just thought you'd want to know.
YOU are the one whining ad nauseam ------ It's starting to splatter all over DeSantis, and this not Tiny D's best look. Just thought you'd want to know.
This post speaks for itself. No need to comment as it reveals more about its writer than anything I can ever say.
Talk about projection. Desantis hasn't once "whined" about Trump being mean to him.
:mauslaff:
Wow. Even when you're called directly on your lies, you just can't stop lying.
@Right_in_Virginia
Do you realize that in my 7 years here, you have said ZERO negative about DJT. No one is that perfect... How much does he pay you, or do you have that level of "un-objectivity"?
This post speaks for itself. No need to comment as it reveals more about its writer than anything I can ever say.
Did you type this with a straight face @catfish1957 ?
What does it reveal about me @massadvj
Yeah, immediately deflected from her false claim that DeSantis was whining to accusing his supporters of whining.
Have you ever wondered why Republicans candidates lose elections @debrawiest ? In large part it's because Republicans allow their opponents to not only define them, but also allow their opponents to blatantly rewrite their own hagiographies. Trump doesn't play this game; never has. Eveyone knows this.
BTW, it also does DeSantis no favors to whine ad nauseam that his opponent is being too mean to him. This only makes it even more difficult to believe RDS is ready to be the leader of the free world and a viable threat to the rest of it. Just thought you should know.
@Right_in_Virginia
Absolutely. Provide me 1 even 1, example post in the 7 years that was even remotely critical of DJT.
Prove me wrong
@Right_in_Virginia
Absolutely. Provide me 1 even 1, example post in the 7 years that was even remotely critical of DJT.
Prove me wrong
What does it reveal about me @massadvj
What does it reveal about me @massadvj
Don't run away @massadvj You wanted my attention and you've got it. Time for you to man up and explain yourself.
For one, that you're a liar.
More wishful thinking from the chronically uninformed. :boring:
When did you become so absurdly disingenuous @catfish1957 ?
:mauslaff:
Such dutch courage.
Guess again, Sparky. Here's my original post:BTW, it also does DeSantis no favors to whine ad nauseam that his opponent is being too mean to him. This only makes it even more difficult to believe RDS is ready to be the leader of the free world and a viable threat to the rest of it. Just thought you should know.
And as an aside, DeSantis hasn't once stated that Trump has been too mean to him, much less "whined ad nauseum".
YOU are the one whining ad nauseam ------ It's starting to splatter all over DeSantis, and this not Tiny D's best look. Just thought you'd want to know.
For one, that you're a liar.
@Hoodat
Why bother to answer your dumb-ass question when you already know the answer,and just want to get rid of the "Rude Orange Man".
@sneakypete
The "dumb-ass question" was a direct query to the dumb-ass comment you made about DeSantis stabbing Trump in the back. YOU made the comment. I merely asked for you to identify an instance where DeSantis had done that. I asked because I could not come up with a single instance myself. And since YOU were the one making the claim, I figured you would know.
It is now crystal clear that you do not. It is also clear that the claim you made is completely devoid of truth or substance. In other words, it is a complete fabrication - or more accurately, a lie. Yet instead of you acknowledging that there is no truth to the claim, you continue to cling to it with dumb-ass responses like the one you just made. But I am willing to give you another chance. So for the fifth time, I ask you to support your claim. How did DeSantis stab Trump in the back?
@sneakypete
The "dumb-ass question" was a direct query to the dumb-ass comment you made about DeSantis stabbing Trump in the back. YOU made the comment. I merely asked for you to identify an instance where DeSantis had done that. I asked because I could not come up with a single instance myself. And since YOU were the one making the claim, I figured you would know.
It is now crystal clear that you do not. It is also clear that the claim you made is completely devoid of truth or substance. In other words, it is a complete fabrication - or more accurately, a lie. Yet instead of you acknowledging that there is no truth to the claim, you continue to cling to it with dumb-ass responses like the one you just made. But I am willing to give you another chance. So for the fifth time, I ask you to support your claim. How did DeSantis stab Trump in the back?
Constitutionally incapable of being honest.
@Right_in_Virginia
What is disingenious is when we as conservatives all rallied around the flag for Mr. Trump during his tenure, all was fine in your eyes. But now, when there are some decent alternatives in '24, we are seeing the same 2016 slimeball Stone/Pecker shit tactics starting all over again. And you are helping stoke the fires already.
So don''t give me that shit about expecting us to wilt in deference to another Trump term.
ME? Do you not read the shit you've posted these past months about Trump and his supporters? You've the absolute right to post your opinions and preferences. But, in the name of God I'm begging you to please STOP grousing at any pushback.
I don't give a damn who you support or who you vote for ---- that's up to you. I also don't give a damn who your "us" is.
I do care that other Briefers and guests not walk away with the impression that everyone agrees with what the anti-Trump contingent posts over and over and over again. I do care that Politico, The Hill, The Lincoln Project and MSNBCDNCNN not become scripture around here.
I will not apologize for this @catfish1957 ----
Enjoy the rest of your day.
ME? Do you not read the shit you've posted these past months about Trump and his supporters? You've the absolute right to post your opinions and preferences. But, in the name of God I'm begging you to please STOP grousing at any pushback.
I don't give a damn who you support or who you vote for ---- that's up to you. I also don't give a damn who your "us" is.
I do care that other Briefers and guests not walk away with the impression that everyone agrees with what the anti-Trump contingent posts over and over and over again. I do care that Politico, The Hill, The Lincoln Project and MSNBCDNCNN not become scripture around here.
I will not apologize for this @catfish1957 ----
Enjoy the rest of your day.
Trump is psychologically collapsing. Everyone outside his base can see it even if they don't
But, he will probably be the nominee and go on to loose to Biden or whoever the Democrats run. We just have to make sure we keep our small House majority
@sneakypete
[...] DeSantis is already governor of the third most populous State in the country. There is no "name recognition boost" that Trump could give him.
Please cite something that actually happened instead of making shit up on the fly. Something that would constitute a betrayal of some sort, i.e. a backstabbing.
If Rand Paul would run, I'd be exceptionally happy.
A shoo-in for me. Rand can write his own ticket, and I will back him. He walks the walk.
Have you ever wondered why Republicans candidates lose elections @debrawiest ? In large part it's because Republicans allow their opponents to not only define them, but also allow their opponents to blatantly rewrite their own hagiographies. Trump doesn't play this game; never has. Eveyone knows this.
:mauslaff:
I'm taking my ball and I'm going home!
And there it is. You start off by accusing DeSantis himself of whining ad nauseum about Trump being "too mean", and then when it's pointed out that DeSantis hasn't done that, you then attack another poster personally. The nice thing about it was how it was so transparent, and everyone else in the thread saw it immediately.
I was a big supporter of his father
Don't run away @massadvj You wanted my attention and you've got it. Time for you to man up and explain yourself.
I haven't heard any of that, either.
When did you become so absurdly disingenuous @catfish1957 ?
Why are them two so incapable of answering questions?
They throw out unsubstantiated claims and/or provable falsehoods and then they blame others for calling them out
I have a couple relatives on the left of the political spectrum that repeat well rehearsed talking points. But when force to defend their positions beyond those points, they lash out similarly
His honest answer probably would be "he has stabbed Trump in the back by refusing to say he won't run in 2024, and rather obviously preparing to do exactly that." I don't quite understand why he doesn't just say that, though.
:mauslaff:
I'm taking my ball and I'm going home!
That's funny right there @Right_in_Virginia ...
Because that is what Tumpy is doing ... TO Desantis.
Too many Republican Party regulars are busy right now trying to derail a candidate who MIGHT beat the DNC machine,
@Kamaji
Excellent post.
Too many Republican Party regulars are busy right now trying to derail a candidate who MIGHT beat the DNC machine,and ignorning the fact they might be shooting the RP in the foot while doing it.
WADR, that is precisely what Trump is doing right now - derailing the only decent candidate, out of churlish, childish spite and thin-skinned paranoia.
@Kamaji
Just HOW freaking blind are you,anyway?
I know you all can state your opinions without the insults...
I miss sinkspur.
Brother, we may not always agree. But I love havin you around.
Your arguments are ironclad.
KUDOS.
:beer:
@roamer_1
Yeah,and he is also rude,orange,and stinking wealthy!
The FIEND!
@sneakypete
What has any of that to to with him baggin on DeSantis?
That's nothin but him, his own self, being an ass.
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@roamer_1
When did YOU become Miss Manners?
Who the HELL cares about him being rude and combative? I see that as a major PLUS,given all the alleged Republican wusses the RNC keeps feeding us.
Looks to ME,like you people want another "party man" that will wear red,march in a straight line,and follow the orders of his globalist RNC masters.
People like you seem to want things to operate like always when the RNC runs things and controls the candidates.
*I* want someone that is going to go in there and shake things up.
I think it reveals that you are very passionate about your politics.
How absurd is that, @sneakypete ?
Of EVERYBODY HERE, I certainly don't fit under your ridiculously large brush.
I stopped being a Republican to destroy the obligation that demanded I vote for 'Party men'...
I DID NOT vote for McCain't.
I DID NOT vote for Romulus.
And I damn near didn't vote for Boosh.
BECAUSE they are big money globalists.
JUST LIKE Tumpy.
I want a candidate who will govern from the RIGHT.
Like Desantis has proven to do.
And like Tumpy has not.
Simple as that.
Tumpy likes left-leaning big government.
THAT is why I will never ever endorse him.
Not a chance in hell.
DeSantis, on the other hand, has a proven ability to govern from the Right.
That's why I will back him.
And that's why there ain't a damn thing Tumpy can do to make it otherwise.
Especially baggin on DeSantis.
He's a friggin jerk, and he proves it every day. And that's why there ain't a damn thing Tumpy can do to make it otherwise.
Especially baggin on DeSantis.
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Who the HELL cares about him being rude and combative?
@roamer_1
You are,right,of course. What we REALLY need running 'murika is another Gentleman Party weasel that will will cooperate with the Dims and the RINO's,and not make waves.
It should also be noted that he is not orange or rude.
@roamer_1
Yeah,and he is also rude,orange,and stinking wealthy!
The FIEND!
Trump, DeSantis, doesn't matter...at this point, we are not voting our way out of this mess.
You have not proven that to be the case, @sneakypete .
In fact, the sign on the ground says the exact opposite:
DeSantis is the standing Conservative, NOT TUMPY.
Trump, DeSantis, doesn't matter...at this point, we are not voting our way out of this mess.
No @catfish1957 Not at all. Had a very productive day and rather delicious dinner with the hubby.
Thanks for checking. :seeya:
Trump, DeSantis, doesn't matter...at this point, we are not voting our way out of this mess.
For the most part, I agree
Sure. Maybe we can vote for somebody to do something about the unsustainable spending especially entitlements
But how do you fix years of politicians dividing us by race, gender, sexual orientation,?
How do you fix an inner city culture that embraces violence and knocks achievement, and blames another race as the reason they have their problems?
@roamer_1
I’ve learned to ignore him when he starts that orange, rude, and wealthy crap
It means he’s losing the argument but is afraid to admit it, and that’s his last resort
If he wants to vote for the same big spending politician that helped get us into this inflationary mess, then that’s his right.
The rest of us will choose otherwise
It pretty much HAS to be that was because the DNC and their RINO pals always band together to torpedo anything pro-American any first term Republican President tries to accomplish. For them,it is ALWAYS about "Me,me,ME,DAMMIT!" and not what is best for America.
They do that to any conservative President, regardless of whether it is their first or second term. And traditionally, two-term Presidents generally get more accomplished in their first term than in their second.
As much as I dislike Romney, he was incredibly right on one matter.
That 47% he cited that are dependant on the left hind teat of the Fedzilla Hog are not going to want to lose those entitlements. And it is near impossible to beat an electorate with a base like that.
That is why we may never see another Republican, much less a conservative as president.
@LMAO
The rest of you are clueless fools for thinking you can keep doing the same thing over and over (voting for career political insiders) and get different results.
Again, if you wanna keep voting for the same politicians that help put us in this unsustainable debt and this inflationary mess, be my guest
Me? I prefer candidates that have at least a basic understanding of mathematics
And, sorry to inform you, despite your insistence, Trump did not inherit all the spending from Obama that he couldn’t do anything about. Stop making him into a victim.
Again, if you wanna keep voting for the same politicians that help put us in this unsustainable debt and this inflationary mess, be my guest
Me? I prefer candidates that have at least a basic understanding of mathematics
And, sorry to inform you, despite your insistence, Trump did not inherit all the spending from Obama that he couldn’t do anything about. Stop making him into a victim.
And the fact that Trump's lackeys have filed a campaign ethics complaint against DeSantis this early, is all you really need to know about DJT.
As much as I dislike Romney, he was incredibly right on one matter.
That 47% he cited that are dependant on the left hind teat of the Fedzilla Hog are not going to want to lose those entitlements. And it is near impossible to beat an electorate with a base like that.
That is why we may never see another Republican, much less a conservative as president.
If he wants to vote for the same big spending politician that helped get us into this inflationary mess, then that’s his right
The rest of us will choose otherwise
@LMAO
The rest of you are clueless fools for thinking you can keep doing the same thing over and over (voting for career political insiders) and get different results.
@sneakypete
The thing that is being done over and over is big government. Doesn't matter which side.
Don't come after small government Conservatives (the only kind there are), who are the ONLY ones trying to curb the beast.
Small government conservative? As far as on the legislative level, that animal is about extinct.
They do that to any conservative President, regardless of whether it is their first or second term. And traditionally, two-term Presidents generally get more accomplished in their first term than in their second.
As much as I dislike Romney, he was incredibly right on one matter.
That 47% he cited that are dependant on the left hind teat of the Fedzilla Hog are not going to want to lose those entitlements. And it is near impossible to beat an electorate with a base like that.
That is why we may never see another Republican, much less a conservative as president.
Again, if you wanna keep voting for the same politicians that help put us in this unsustainable debt and this inflationary mess, be my guest
Me? I prefer candidates that have at least a basic understanding of mathematics
And, sorry to inform you, despite your insistence, Trump did not inherit all the spending from Obama that he couldn’t do anything about. Stop making him into a victim.
And the fact that Trump's lackeys have filed a campaign ethics complaint against DeSantis this early, is all you really need to know about DJT.
@LMAO
BullBush! Granted,he didn't do as much as he could have if he had the staff he needed to support him and keep him advised on what was going on,but he did the best he could do against an entrenched Dim and RINO enemy.
I suspect he has learned his lessons now about who he nominates/hires to advise him and keep him up to date,plus since he will be a "One Termer",so he won't have to "play nice" with the weasels in Congress.
No question about that. It is almost impossible to reverse any entitlement once it is in place. The only real success I can think of in that regard was welfare reform in the early 90's. But it may be too late for that now. The "gimme's" may well outnumber the rest of us at this point.
@sneakypete
The thing that is being done over and over is big government. Doesn't matter which side.
Don't come after small government Conservatives (the only kind there are), who are the ONLY ones trying to curb the beast.
@roamer_1
Yeah,trying to curb it by working frantically to try to make sure the ONLY candidate running that would be in a situation where he MIGHT be able to cure it,doesn't get elected.
What a CLEVER plan! It's like shooting yourself in the foot before entering a dance contest.
@
Yeah,trying to curb it by working frantically to try to make sure the ONLY candidate running that would be in a situation where he MIGHT be able to cure it,doesn't get elected.
Trump will not cut spending.
Did someone hurts your feelings by defending themselves against DeSantis?
@roamer_1
Yeah,trying to curb it by working frantically to try to make sure the ONLY candidate running that would be in a situation where he MIGHT be able to cure it,doesn't get elected.
What a CLEVER plan! It's like shooting yourself in the foot before entering a dance contest.
@
@LMAO
BullBush! Granted,he didn't do as much as he could have if he had the staff he needed to support him and keep him advised on what was going on,but he did the best he could do against an entrenched Dim and RINO enemy.
plus since he will be a "One Termer",so he won't have to "play nice" with the weasels in Congress.
What were the steps he took to reduce the deficit? I mean, even if they didn't pass, what were Trump's concrete proposals to do that?
I didn't see him do that the first time around.
Is DeSantis the guy to do it? I don’t know. But I know from Trump’s record and current rhetoric he’s not.
At least under Trump I felt good about my 401(k). Under Biden, I’m thankful if the DOW only drops two or 300 points.
DeSantis is making a good first shot at it, at least in Florida.
@LMAO
The rest of you are clueless fools for thinking you can keep doing the same thing over and over (voting for career political insiders) and get different results.
Do you have a reading comprehension problem? I am already on the record as saying I will NOT vote for DeSantis regardless of who the Dim candidate is.
Perhaps not you (I honestly don't remember), but many.
Polls mean nothing. And less than nothing a full year too early.
Polls mean nothing. And less than nothing a full year too early.I seem to recall that no one thought pre-1976 Jimmy Carter was a viable candidate, either. We still have over 1-1/2 years to go (heaven help us).
I seem to recall that no one thought pre-1976 Jimmy Carter was a viable candidate, either. We still have over 1-1/2 years to go (heaven help us).
My friend, before you go off about reading comprehension problems, you might want to reread that post of mine you just quoted, where I said:
****slapping
I seem to recall that no one thought pre-1976 Jimmy Carter was a viable candidate, either. We still have over 1-1/2 years to go (heaven help us).
I seem to recall that no one thought pre-1976 Jimmy Carter was a viable candidate, either. We still have over 1-1/2 years to go (heaven help us).
@Maj. Bill Martin
I have no problem with reading comprehension,but thanks to Chemo Brian,I do have memory problems.
My apologies.
Have we learned nothing from 2016 and 2020? Trump lashes out, insults and degrades any opponent and his MAGA loyalists follow suit. Evidence of that right here on this page.
Have we learned nothing from 2016 and 2020? Trump lashes out, insults and degrades any opponent and his MAGA loyalists follow suit. Evidence of that right here on this page.
@NavyCanDo
Yeah,you are right. MUCH mo betta to drop your drawers and bend over and spread your cheeks,like the RINO's do.
Have we learned nothing from 2016 and 2020? Trump lashes out, insults and degrades any opponent and his MAGA loyalists follow suit. Evidence of that right here on this page.
Trump is similar to one of those little yappy dogs that continuously barks at guest but once someon slaps it on it’s snout, it shuts up and goes to its bed
Trump is still at the yapping stage
The Ronald Reagan 11th commandment wasn’t necessarily set in stone like the rest of them—but perhaps it should have been. His famed 11th commandment dictated that Republicans, who were struggling to repair party rifts, needed to keep their dialogue and discourse with and about one another above board. It’s an idea that many in the Republican Party have been yearning to get back to.https://www.reagan.com/ronald-reagan-the-11th-commandment
Reagan reportedly pledged to follow the 11th commandment during his run for governor of California in the mid-1960s and stayed true to its principle throughout his entire career in public office. Pundits have speculated that his support for diplomacy among Republicans stemmed from a number of areas, but all agree that it had an unparalleled impact on the country, especially the Republican Party. ... Reagan knew that division and divisiveness wouldn’t help the party rebound from the presidential loss; rather, he saw the path forward as being reliant on unity. If the party was going to take back the White House, Reagan believed, it couldn’t get to that point if its leaders didn’t agree on what comprises the basic Republican ideals. Further, attacking or maligning other Republican figureheads would only keep the party further from its goals. ...
There are a fair number of Republica .voters who believe that the tone used towards fellow Republicans should be different from the scoreched-earth tone that may be appropriate against the left.
I know that a lot of Trump supporters believe otherwise, which is one of the reasons why we won't be supporting the same candidates in the primaries.
@Maj. Bill Martin
All true.
But,IMNSHO,all this trashing Trump BY alleged Republicans this early can do nothing but HURT the election chances of Trump OR ANY OTHER REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE.
All these anti-Trumpers ranting and raving against Trump 24/7 is the equivalent of getting drunk before going to take your drivers license test.
Notice how even the left rarely tries to slam him anymore in the media (which THEY control)? It's because they don't have to when all the "Miss Manners Republicans" are doing it for them.
@Maj. Bill Martin
All true.
But,IMNSHO,all this trashing Trump BY alleged Republicans this early can do nothing but HURT the election chances of Trump OR ANY OTHER REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE.
All these anti-Trumpers ranting and raving against Trump 24/7 is the equivalent of getting drunk before going to take your drivers license test.
Notice how even the left rarely tries to slam him anymore in the media (which THEY control)? It's because they don't have to when all the "Miss Manners Republicans" are doing it for them.
Trump going after a very good, conservative and popular governor for no reason and before he's even announced he's running, makes him look childish and foolish. He's not doing himself any favors nor the Republican party.
@sneakypete I have never claimed to be an "anti-Trumper". I'm just calling the situation as I see it. Trump going after a very good, conservative and popular governor for no reason and before he's even announced he's running, makes him look childish and foolish. He's not doing himself any favors nor the Republican party.
Should Desantis announce, expect full frontal temper tantrum from Trump. I'm talking back on the floor, stomping elbows and heels and shaking head yelling, "it's mine" repeatedly.
Hell, he's close to doing that now. DeSantis would then need to be the "happy warrior" as Reagan was. Of course, he'll have to get through the primary, first. And, should he win the GOP primary, expect cries of "stolen election" from Trump and his supporters
@LMAO
because he is rich and rude.
@libertybele
So,you don't think DeSantis owes Trump any favors after Trump endorsed him for his run for Governor,and helped him squeek past his opponent and get elected?
Trump endorsed DeSantis for the 2018 election, and to the extent DeSantis owed him for that, it was for the 2020 election. And in fact, DeSantis did support Trump in 2020, and Trump's margin of victory in Florida in 2020 was twice what he won by in 2016. Debt paid.
This isn't The Godfather, where you do a favor for someone and they owe you for the rest of their life. Expecting a 2018 endorsement to still obligate someone to support you for President six years later isn't reasonable. Ultimately, I kind of dislike the whole idea of "owing" someone your political support period. Because ultimately, every politician's first loyalty should be to the country, and to the people who elected you. And fulfilling that loyalty requires that you support whomever you believe to be the best person for the job, not the person to whom you owe some personal debt.
"Sigh"
We all are aware of that as you tell us in every post
@LMAO
Well,you are simple folk,and need to be reminded on a daily basis.
Right
Were did this "Trump is owed the nomination" idea come from
@LMAO
From the alleged minds of people like you,who are rabid anti-Trumpers.
Right
Were did this "Trump is owed the nomination" idea come from
From people like you who blindly hate "Rude Orange Man".
NONE of you people seem to care who the next President is,as long as it isn't Trump.
NONE of you people seem to care who the next President is,as long as it isn't Trump.
From people like you who blindly hate "Rude Orange Man".
NONE of you people seem to care who the next President is,as long as it isn't Trump.
Reagan's 11th Commandment: Thou shalt not speak ill of thy fellow Republican. https://www.reagan.com/ronald-reagan-the-11th-commandment
Trump detested Reagan.
@NavyCanDoLOL this kind of response is why I have to dismiss everything you say and can't take you seriously. Not only on this subject, but everything.
Yeah,you are right. MUCH mo betta to drop your drawers and bend over and spread your cheeks,like the RINO's do.
@sneakypete I have never claimed to be an "anti-Trumper". I'm just calling the situation as I see it. Trump going after a very good, conservative and popular governor for no reason and before he's even announced he's running, makes him look childish and foolish. He's not doing himself any favors nor the Republican party.
Reagan's 11th Commandment: Thou shalt not speak ill of thy fellow Republican.
The phrase was coined in the 1960s by Gaylord Parkinson, who was the state chairman of California Republicans at the time.
Reagan first talked about the “eleventh commandment” in 1966, when he was running for governor of California.
At the time, Reagan had just switched parties and his Republican opponents were using this against him --- effectively. Reagan used Parkinson's words to shield himself from political destruction, not the Republican Party.
IMO, the "commandment" served Reagan well through the rest of his political career, blocking attacks and feeding his affable schtick. He was, if nothing else, politically saavy.
Still, I can't help but wonder if Reagan's rolling in his grave knowing Republicans are still using this silly catchphrase ---- and at the precise moment a fight for the soul of the Party is desperately needed. :pondering:
Why do you keep saying "Trump going after DeSantis for no reason" @libertybele when DeSantis is trying to get his fabricated hagiography carved into stone and all Trump is doing is pointing it out ----- the DeSantis omissions and editing are glaring.
BTW, the whole damn political world knows DeSantis cannot officially announce his candidacy until his statehouse straightens out that pesky resign to run for Federal office thing you've got down there in the free state of Florida. But, DeSantis already has his donor checks, and his campaign staff and establishment handlers are actively controlling his every move and statement. Hell, the dude is already campaigning.
So where is it written that Trump (or anyone) has to wait for DeSantis to nail down his job for after he loses the primary before treating him as the opponent he already is?
LOL this kind of response is why I have to dismiss everything you say and can't take you seriously. Not only on this subject, but everything.
Why do you keep saying "Trump going after DeSantis for no reason" @libertybele when DeSantis is trying to get his fabricated hagiography carved into stone and all Trump is doing is pointing it out ----- the DeSantis omissions and editing are glaring.
BTW, the whole damn political world knows DeSantis cannot officially announce his candidacy until his statehouse straightens out that pesky resign to run for Federal office thing you've got down there in the free state of Florida. But, DeSantis already has his donor checks, and his campaign staff and establishment handlers are actively controlling his every move and statement. Hell, the dude is already campaigning.
So where is it written that Trump (or anyone) has to wait for DeSantis to nail down his job for after he loses the primary before treating him as the opponent he already is?
LOL this kind of response is why I have to dismiss everything you say and can't take you seriously. Not only on this subject, but everything.
Some folks are deliberately misrepresenting the 11th Commandment. It does not say you cannot very strongly disagree with the policies advocated by another Republican, or the actions they have taken. Reagan did exactly that when he ran against Ford in 1976, and again when he ran against Bush in 1980. Likewise, it is perfectly possible to disagree strongly with the policies or actions being advocated or taken by another Republican today without violating the 11 Commandment.
What it is about is not "speaking ill of another Republican". In other words, don't attack the person, attack the argument. We all understand perfectly well exactly what that means here in TBR, and that's all the 11th Commandment is saying.
There's no valid reason that shouldn't have been followed in 2016 through today. Name calling and personal attacks are simply laziness by those who don't want to take the time to lay out a coherent, logical argument.
It is absolutely asinine, and those using it should know better.
It is absolutely asinine, and those using it should know better.
Some folks are deliberately misrepresenting the 11th Commandment. It does not say you cannot very strongly disagree with the policies advocated by another Republican, or the actions they have taken. Reagan did exactly that when he ran against Ford in 1976, and again when he ran against Bush in 1980. Likewise, it is perfectly possible to disagree strongly with the policies or actions being advocated or taken by another Republican today without violating the 11 Commandment.
What it is about is not "speaking ill of another Republican". In other words, don't attack the person, attack the argument. We all understand perfectly well exactly what that means here in TBR, and that's all the 11th Commandment is saying.
It is entirely possible to have a battle for the soul of the Republican Party without juvenile name calling. That's an embarrassment, and the sign of a lack of coherent thinking or ability to articulate logical thoughts.
Trump is Trump and if he wants to resort back to bullying and name calling that's up to him. But people are tired of his crappola. DeSantis isn't campaigning he's addressing his constituents and remains in touch especially with those impacted by Ian. He's doing his job @Right_in_Virginia.
I know you see DeSantis as a huge threat to Trump so if you want to try to make a good conservative governor look bad, have at it. I don't care to participate in that game. :seeya:
Good news @libertybele ----- after Tiny D refused to stand against the political weaponization of our justice system for his own political benefit, shitting on the 5,668,731 Floridians who voted for Trump in the process, you're going to keep your Governor. Yeah! :rolling:The childishness apparently lives in Trumps most ardent supporter as well as Trump, I see. Another good reason to return to my vacation from vitriol and stupidity.
The childishness apparently lives in Trumps most ardent supporter as well as Trump, I see. Another good reason to return to my vacation from vitriol and stupidity.
The childishness apparently lives in Trumps most ardent supporter as well as Trump, I see. Another good reason to return to my vacation from vitriol and stupidity.
Good news @libertybele ----- after Tiny D refused to stand against the political weaponization of our justice system for his own political benefit, shitting on the 5,668,731 Floridians who voted for Trump in the process, you're going to keep your Governor.
You know Trump admires Big D and doesn't think he is tiny.
You know Trump admires Big D and doesn't think he is tiny. How about we just stop the squabbling and compare hand sizes for the win... Trump already thinks DeSantis is a big strong fellow that should go around without his jacket on.
https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/politics/fl-ne-donald-trump-ron-desantis-hot-body-20191127-4tzjtxks3fhtjibawmlna5kanq-story.html
But just think of the schadenfreude when Trump becomes a three-time loser! The excuses, whining, finger-pointing, and incessant vomiting of one bizarre conspiracy theory after another will be...delectable.
@Maj. Bill Martin
If the GOP loses the next Presidential election,that will be the end of America because the left will take full advantage of it.
Congradulations,Anti-Trumpers,for letting the DNC pimp you out.
@Maj. Bill Martin
If the GOP loses the next Presidential election,that will be the end of America because the left will take full advantage of it.
Congradulations,Anti-Trumpers,for letting the DNC pimp you out.
:mauslaff:
Trump is not the savior you seem to think he is.
The in your face hypocrisy of those who wouldn’t vote DeSantis but demand people vote for Trump
I think the GOP will be more divided in 2024 than in 2016
DeSantis can’t win the primary and Trump can’t win the general
Is it 2028 yet? Lol
Sucks, but that's exactly how I see it too.
:beer:
Is it 2028 yet?At this rate, I'm not holding out hope for an election in 2028.
I just can't bring myself to vote for that. I'm just hoping to hell we nominate someone else.
DeSantis has answered the Call of his Country before AND will again, IMHO.
Trump will have pizzed off so many MORE GOP Voters this year and be left with only his hard core supporters.
:mauslaff:
Trump is not the savior you seem to think he is.
QuoteThe in your face hypocrisy of those who wouldn’t vote DeSantis but demand people vote for Trump
The ONLY hypocrisy in this thread so far is yours.QuoteI think the GOP will be more divided in 2024 than in 2016
That IS what the RINO's and their butt-buddies in the DNC are hoping for.QuoteDeSantis can’t win the primary and Trump can’t win the general
You may be right,but only IF DeSantis is really trashing Trump. I just posted another take on this by Fox News,that basically claims the opposite.
Is it 2028 yet? Lol
I get your point, and that's why I voted for him in 2016 and 2020. However....
In my opinion, Trump is now destroying the only real organized opposition to leftism, and is attempting to replace it with a form of populism that will end with him. So when he's gone...there won't be anything left to slow them down.
His foreign policy towards Russia is scaring the hell out of me as well. Not that I believe there is collusion, just that my views are so 180 from his.
I don't recall reading anything about his Russian foreign policy plans.
The ONLY hypocrisy in this thread so far is yours.
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
Speaker Paul Ryan is a truly good man, and while he will not be seeking re-election, he will leave a legacy of achievement that nobody can question. We are with you Paul!
9:50 AM · Apr 11, 2018
The GOP is much more divided than the Democrats
DeSantis has answered the Call of his Country before AND will again, IMHO.
Trump will have pizzed off so many MORE GOP Voters this year and be left with only his hard core supporters.
@LMAO
No big surprise there.
The DNC has imported tens of thousands of illegal aliens into America,and settled them in areas where their votes MIGHT make the difference between who wins and who loses.
Since these illegals would be homeless,hungry,and still trying to cross the border if it wasn't for the DNC letting them in,they are certain to vote Dim,and I can't blame them because I would do the same thing if I were in their position.
And Biden gets another term. Our time will come again as all storms pass. But we’ll have to go through another 4 years of incompetent “firsts”
At this rate, I'm not holding out hope for an election in 2028.
This nickname didn't come from Trump @Sighlass It came from from one of D's constituents while he was waving and trying to glad hand folks. By the time he got to the end of the line folks had picked it up and we're having a fun time with it. D ducked into his car.
"Why isn't pedo DeSanctmous who wants to end SS/MC and is a RINO defending my honor?" The Real Donald Trump
8888crybaby
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
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Ron DeSanctimonious will probably find out about FALSE ACCUSATIONS & FAKE STORIES sometime in the future, as he gets older, wiser, and better known, when he’s unfairly and illegally attacked by a woman, even classmates that are “underage” (or possibly a man!). I’m sure he will want to fight these misfits just like I do!
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Trump Goes Scorched Earth on DeSantis, Raises Questions About His Sexuality and Peddles Groomer Smear
By Ken Meyer Mar 20th, 2023, 2:33 pm
Former President Donald Trump went scorched earth on Florida Governor Ron DeSantis after he weighed in on his potential indictment in the Stormy Daniels case brought by prosecutors in New York.
Trump, in a post on Truth Social, raised questions about DeSantis’s sexuality and once again peddled his groomer smear against the Florida Republican who is seen as a potential presidential candidate in 2024.
“Ron DeSanctimonious will probably find out about FALSE ACCUSATIONS & FAKE STORIES sometime in the future, as he gets older, wiser, and better known, when he’s unfairly and illegally attacked by a woman, even classmates that are “underage” (or possibly a man!),” Trump seethed. ‘I’m sure he will want to fight these misfits just like I do!”
Trump also included a picture from an article suggesting the worst about DeSantis’s conduct with “underage” young people.
more
https://www.mediaite.com/trump/trump-goes-scorched-earth-on-desantis-raises-questions-about-his-sexuality-and-peddles-groomer-smear/
Lol….
What?
Wow Trump didn't waste anytime in destroying the GOP's chances in '24.
Crazytown. The guy who handed Disney their hat is a groomer now. *****rollingeyes*****
What bullcrap.
Lol….
What?
Did you know that Trump is rich?
And you know that he’s orange and rude, right?
happy77
He's like a bad joke at this point. Probably laughing to himself about how much he thinks he can trash other Republicans while still counting on their support if he wins the primary.
Thinking of this guy as the leader of the GOP for nearly six more years is stomach churning.
2016 Redeaux
Ivanka and Jared sure are laying low.
You just hate him because he’s wealthy. Envy is never pretty
Has anyone determined how he stays so Orange, booth or spray or a combination of the two?
Don't forget "Crowd" envy.
A new low for the Orange madman.
I got the Paul Ryan Tshirt instead. It says on the back Trump was my Bi1ch, in parenthesis is He signed all my Bloated Budgets.
I got the Paul Ryan Tshirt instead. It says on the back Trump was my Bi1ch, in parenthesis is He signed all my Bloated Budgets.
Indeed. What a flipping buffoon!
Stormy says he's got a tiny <bleep>.
Stormy says he's got a tiny <bleep>.
Indeed. What a flipping buffoon!
Letting his syphilis go untreated is eating his brain up.
Letting his syphilis go untreated is eating his brain up.
Penis envy is never pretty
And crowd envy is eating yours
Before Trump even got there I'm sure she said the same thing about any Man. 22222frying pan
Did you know that Trump is rich?
And you know that he’s orange and rude, right?
happy77
Trump has gone over the rails. Poor old fart.
Unfortunately, for now, he looks like he’s gonna be the nominee. Our only hope at this point is he doesn’t get tied to our downticket nominees.
But it is what it is.
Unfortunately, for now, he looks like he’s gonna be the nominee. Our only hope at this point is he doesn’t get tied to our downticket nominees.
But it is what it is.
He'll likely be the nominee. Who at this point in their right mind is going to run against him? Who knows who the DEMS will run. I just don't think Brandon is going to hold on much longer.
He'll likely be the nominee. Who at this point in their right mind is going to run against him? Who knows who the DEMS will run. I just don't think Brandon is going to hold on much longer.
IMO it'll be Biden vs. Trump in 2024, we'll see what happens in the next few weeks.
IMO it'll be Biden vs. Trump in 2024, we'll see what happens in the next few weeks.
If true, I'll sit this one out. Just vote down ticket to keep FL red.
Ditto
But I’ll be voting down ticket to make Wi red
Best of luck!
The GOP is much more divided than the Democrats
Trump Goes Scorched Earth on DeSantis, Raises Questions About His Sexuality and Peddles Groomer Smear
By Ken Meyer Mar 20th, 2023, 2:33 pm
Former President Donald Trump went scorched earth on Florida Governor Ron DeSantis after he weighed in on his potential indictment in the Stormy Daniels case brought by prosecutors in New York.
Trump, in a post on Truth Social, raised questions about DeSantis’s sexuality and once again peddled his groomer smear against the Florida Republican who is seen as a potential presidential candidate in 2024.
“Ron DeSanctimonious will probably find out about FALSE ACCUSATIONS & FAKE STORIES sometime in the future, as he gets older, wiser, and better known, when he’s unfairly and illegally attacked by a woman, even classmates that are “underage” (or possibly a man!),” Trump seethed. ‘I’m sure he will want to fight these misfits just like I do!”
Trump also included a picture from an article suggesting the worst about DeSantis’s conduct with “underage” young people.
more
https://www.mediaite.com/trump/trump-goes-scorched-earth-on-desantis-raises-questions-about-his-sexuality-and-peddles-groomer-smear/
Making charges like this, without some form of tangible proof is beyond reprehensible. The f'ing orange POS will never get another vote from me. Every conservative should turn their back on this goo of human excrement. Shit, I hope he does do the perp walk tomorrow.
F him.
I get it - But it's been there all along... No different than what he did to Cruz
I get it - But it's been there all along... No different than what he did to Cruz.
So a clear no on fiscal conservatism
A clear no on libertarianism.
A clear no on social conservatism (false witness).
PLENTY of reason to ignore this chooch. with character being foremost.
What exactly is worth voting *FOR*?
What he did to Cruz and the rest of the field in '16 was dirty politics. His comments today without backing calling DeSanits pedophilic? are downright almost criminally slanderous.
He crossed the line. And now I will actually enjoy watching him implode.
Ted Cruz
@tedcruz
Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg’s case against Donald Trump is utter and complete crap!
It’s obviously political retribution and political persecution. #Verdict
2:54 PM · Mar 20, 2023
I get it - But it's been there all along... No different than what he did to Cruz.
So a clear no on fiscal conservatism
A clear no on libertarianism.
A clear no on social conservatism (false witness).
PLENTY of reason to ignore this chooch. with character being foremost.
What exactly is worth voting *FOR*?
You know he’s orange, right? happy77
Did he seriously claim Desantis was a "pedo"? Where did that come from?
Saw in an earlier, post.... though after researching it seems Donald used words or allegations of "grooming". So 6 of one or half dozen of another I guess.
And Rude.....
Just so we cover 98% of all the content of one particular Briefer.
He fights with D list celebrities and Meghan McCain versus fighting Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelos
He always lashes out irrationally when his fragile ego is threatened.
Ted Cruz
@tedcruz
Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg’s case against Donald Trump is utter and complete crap!
It’s obviously political retribution and political persecution. #Verdict
2:54 PM · Mar 20, 2023
So what? That ain't the point.
So what? That ain't the point.
He'll likely be the nominee. Who at this point in their right mind is going to run against him?
Haley already has declared, but I don't see any way DeSantis doesn't declare at this point. He'd look like he was scared of Trump if he didn't, and the guy doesn't seem like he's shied away from a fight his entire life.
I thought before that he'd run a campaign that ignored Trump's personal/personality issues, and just focus on policy and the fact that Trump is too old.
I think now that he's going to go after Trump much harder, and call him out as a fraud on things like Covid. I also think he may go after him for encouraging January 6, and then calling for more protests now, which result in ordinary Americans being jailed while Trump lives in luxury.
Probably won't endear him to the MAGA faithful, but that ship has likely sailed anyway. Trump deserves to be opposed, and it would be an embarrassment to the GOP if he went unchallenged. I just hope whomever chooses to do so doesn't pull any punches.
Personally, I don't think Desantis would look weak at this juncture if he decided to not run. He has so far not reacted directly to Trump's attempts to get a rise out of him, and has responded rather evenly, so I think that would carry him through; most reasonable people would probably realize that he doesn't want to get dragged into Trump's personal shitshow, and would respect that sentiment.
I absolutely agree. DeSantis shouldn't feel pressured to run. He has a family with young children to think about as well.
Personally, I still don't see him running. I would like to see our good governor stay right where he's at.
I've got news for you folks.
NONE of this matters!
If our elections aren't cleaned up NO Republican candidate will ever be elected president again!
You appear to be stuck in 2016. Just trying to help you catch up :shrug:
@Right_in_Virginia
Not at all... Just that nothing has changed - the loudmouth a****** that lied through his teeth about Cruz is the very same loudmouth a****** that is lying through his teeth about DeSantis.
Predictably, btw... Which is why character counts.
Personally, I don't think Desantis would look weak at this juncture if he decided to not run. He has so far not reacted directly to Trump's attempts to get a rise out of him, and has responded rather evenly, so I think that would carry him through; most reasonable people would probably realize that he doesn't want to get dragged into Trump's personal shitshow, and would respect that sentiment.
Yes, pretty much what I've been saying for awhile. Without election integrity, the GOP doesn't stand a chance.
@Right_in_Virginia
Not at all... Just that nothing has changed - the loudmouth a****** that lied through his teeth about Cruz is the very same loudmouth a****** that is lying through his teeth about DeSantis.
Predictably, btw... Which is why character counts.
And Rude.....
Just so we cover 98% of all the content of one particular Briefer.
Saw in an earlier, post.... though after researching it seems Donald used words or allegations of "grooming". So 6 of one or half dozen of another I guess.
So what? That ain't the point.
@catfish1957
Some posters are simple folk,and need to be reminded.
@roamer_1
Well,yeah,it is the point.
How would YOU respond if you were slandered on a daily basis like Trump?
Context is everything.
Yes, pretty much what I've been saying for awhile. Without election integrity, the GOP doesn't stand a chance.
@roamer_1
Well,yeah,it is the point.
How would YOU respond if you were slandered on a daily basis like Trump?
Context is everything.
@libertybele
Yeah,good thinking!
The left gets away with this BECAUSE nobody on the right fights back.
Well,to be completely honest about it,it doesn't hurt the left that they own or control damn near every major media outlet in the country.
https://twitter.com/hotairblog/status/1638350316390195202
Nice to hear from the grownups for once.
Stay the course Ron. Wallow around in the mud with orange pigs, and you get muddy too.
I wouldn’t go as far as to say that they don’t stand a chance, but there are definitely obstacles in place that the Democrats put in place with Covid that greatly benefits them. And especially after that fiasco in Arizona in 2022, we need to clean up our elections
Third World countries have smoother elections and we’ve had in the last two years. A poster, I don’t recall who, wrote seven point list on what we should do to clean up our elections and I wholeheartedly agree with everyone of them. How the hell can you straight face allowing voting for people who don’t have a traceable address or ID?
I’m not one of those that have dove headfirst into the “Trump was robbed” narrative. But a lot of the voting that was put in place for Covid did benefit Joe Biden.
Any election reforms are going to have to put in place over the howling and whining about the Democrats and the press
Given democrat corruption in key locations, any GOP potus candidate needs to have at least a 5 to 7 percent cushion to overcome it. See: Kari Lake in AZ
Trump is never going to get anywhere near that. DeSantis may not either, but I think he would do better.
On a related note, does anyone find it funny that dems no longer whine about the Electoral College? Now that they have corrupted it (by just controlling key states like GA and AZ?
Turnout is always going to be a problem with Donald. To change the state voter laws, the party has to outperform the democrats at early in-person voting, mail in voting, and ballot harvesting (where legal) ... for at least one cycle, in every purple and blue state. There is no question these tactics provide a decisive boost. Historically this has not been a problem for republicans. Since 2016, the populist wing has surrendered many elections while they distract themselves with dark fantasies from internet cranks (for example, the election workers are 100% democrat, and will automatically discard your ballot unless you vote on election day). I do not believe Trump will ever adapt to modern elections. He will cast doubt on early voting, and his supporters will be outnumbered.
Turnout is always going to be a problem with Donald. To change the state voter laws, the party has to outperform the democrats at early in-person voting, mail in voting, and ballot harvesting (where legal) ... for at least one cycle, in every purple and blue state. There is no question these tactics provide a decisive boost. Historically this has not been a problem for republicans. Since 2016, the populist wing has surrendered many elections while they distract themselves with dark fantasies from internet cranks (for example, the election workers are 100% democrat, and will automatically discard your ballot unless you vote on election day). I do not believe Trump will ever adapt to modern elections. He will cast doubt on early voting, and his supporters will be outnumbered.
Kind of repeating myself, but as much as I hate Romney, he was exactly right about the "47%" hot mic-'ed comment.
When 47% of the electorate are entitlement slugs sucking off the left hind teat of the Fedzilla Sow, kind of hard to elect someone who might take that away.
We are blankity doomed.
Which is why not only is Trump not willing to cut spending but wants more. He’s bargaining that no to spending cuts will endear him to the GOP base and voters in general
All spending cuts have a constituency, so regardless what you cut, you’ll upset someone.
I suppose Trumpers could argue that if Biden and the Democrats can spend wildly, Trump should be allowed to, also. The problem with that is with interest rates going up, borrowing is going to become more costly
Kind of repeating myself, but as much as I hate Romney, he was exactly right about the "47%" hot mic-'ed comment.
When 47% of the electorate are entitlement slugs sucking off the left hind teat of the Fedzilla Sow, kind of hard to elect someone who might take that away.
We are blankity doomed.
Maybe so, but assuming arguendo that is the case, what is to be done? Do we simply join the democrats at the trough and gorge like they do, differing only in the objects of our largesse? Or do we try to come up with principled leaders who can articulate a case that is persuasive enough to convince some of that 47% that the largesse they're receiving is not doing them or the country at large any favors and therefore they should support reducing the social spending, provided that nobody is subjected to a cliff-effect in which they get necessary support arbitrarily cut off before they've had a reasonable period of time to make alternative arrangements for themselves and their own support?
Maybe so, but assuming arguendo that is the case, what is to be done? Do we simply join the democrats at the trough and gorge like they do, differing only in the objects of our largesse? Or do we try to come up with principled leaders who can articulate a case that is persuasive enough to convince some of that 47% that the largesse they're receiving is not doing them or the country at large any favors and therefore they should support reducing the social spending, provided that nobody is subjected to a cliff-effect in which they get necessary support arbitrarily cut off before they've had a reasonable period of time to make alternative arrangements for themselves and their own support?
Yep, thus the problem. But quoting the Great Margaret Thatcher.....
“The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.”
When that day happens.......
We just have to cut what we can, politically. it's not a binary situation. There should be plenty we can cut without upsetting people.
To me, the most interesting thing DeSantis said was his criticism of Trump's Covid policy. I think that is the softest part of Trump's underbelly. Trump continues to tout the vax, and he must already rue the day he gave that presidential medal to Fauci. Add to that the $1 trillion he added to the debt in an attempt to save his re-election. These policies have not aged well, unlike most of Trump's other initiatives.
I support neither RDS or DJT. I can see myself voting for RDS if it came down to the two of them. Unlike many here, I will support the GOP nominee regardless.
That's one of the other characteristics of a populist - someone whose policies are based solely on what their supporters want, without any other consistent animating principles or philosophy.
Kind of repeating myself, but as much as I hate Romney, he was exactly right about the "47%" hot mic-'ed comment.
When 47% of the electorate are entitlement slugs sucking off the left hind teat of the Fedzilla Sow, kind of hard to elect someone who might take that away.
We are blankity doomed.
Which is why not only is Trump not willing to cut spending but wants more. He’s bargaining that no to spending cuts will endear him to the GOP base and voters in general
All spending cuts have a constituency, so regardless what you cut, you’ll upset someone.
I suppose Trumpers could argue that if Biden and the Democrats can spend wildly, Trump should be allowed to, also. The problem with that is with interest rates going up, borrowing is going to become more costly
Which is why not only is Trump not willing to cut spending but wants more. He’s bargaining that no to spending cuts will endear him to the GOP base and voters in general
That's one of the other characteristics of a populist - someone whose policies are based solely on what their supporters want, without any other consistent animating principles or philosophy.
@LMAO
Trump,like every OTHER new President is going to be obligated to spend the money in the spending bills already passed,and then fight the special interests to keep them from spending more.
He MAY well have to promote new spending bills to clean up what he is left. For example,it is going to cost a LOT of money in the short term to track down and deport the illegal aliens,but it HAS to be done or America,as a free and independent nation is over.
@LMAO
"The GOP base and voters that tend to vote GOP WANT more spending."
Are you insane,or merely blinded by hatred and jealousy of the "Rude Orange Rich Man?
We just have to cut what we can, politically. it's not a binary situation. There should be plenty we can cut without upsetting people.
I, too, will support whomever the ultimate nominee is (unless it's somebody who is clearly outside the Pale, like, say, Biden).
@Weird Tolkienish Figure
And there are plenty of illegal aliens and their supporters that we can upset by cutting even more.
However,there is only ONE candidate that seems to be running for President that can only serve ONE term at the maximum,and NOTHING is more important to him that his ego and how he is written about in the history books.
I think what’s partially animating some Trumpers overreaction to Ron DeSantis is Donald Trump is promising to keep sending the checks, regardless of where the money comes from.
@LMAO
So,you want the govenrment to cut off Social Security checks to Americans (NOT to non-Americans via welfare) ,as well as to people like me,who are 100 percent service-connected veterans,and unable to work due to their military service?
Good to know.
@LMAO
So,you want the govenrment to cut off Social Security checks to Americans (NOT to non-Americans via welfare) ,as well as to people like me,who are 100 percent service-connected veterans,and unable to work due to their military service?
Good to know.
You said this many times and you’ve been wrong every time you said it. Mandatory spending is an act of Congress, but that does not mean he doesn’t have any control over discretionary spending.
You’ve countered your argument by saying that he has no control over spending but then claiming he has to spend a lot on projects you want. Which is it?
Uhhhh,both,but not so much projects I want,but programs he is OBLIGATED by law to finance,as well as spending bills already passed.QuoteBut let’s say your argument is true. Trump is not running on cutting anything. He’s already attacked any cuts for ethanol subsidies. No to any kind of entitlement reforms
Like it or not,there IS going to be a period where spending already approved by Congress is going to have to continue until new bills are passed to cut or eliminate.
Some,such as SS and Veterans Programs can't really be cut because they are OBLIGATIONS.
Good boy
You included every adjective that reflects the limit of your debating skills
@sneakypete
Why are you putting words into someone else's mouth? I do not recall @LMAO ever saying that he was in favor of simply cutting off all social security or veterans' benefits recipients, regardless of age or need.
Like it or not,there IS going to be a period where spending already approved by Congress is going to have to continue until new bills are passed to cut or eliminate.
Some,such as SS and Veterans Programs can't really be cut because they are OBLIGATIONS.
QuoteCan you show me in Donald Trump’s platform were he’s promising to deport illegal immigrants?
Can you show me where is is against deporting illegal aliens,bubba
QuoteYou’re putting a lot of what you believe in what you want a Trump second term to be versus what he’s even saying
You DO know the campaign season hasn't even started yet,right?QuoteBesides, illegal immigrants are not the reason we have a near $32 trillion debt
Well,yeah,it IS a big reason,and it is going to get even worse if the Dims win and import millions more illegals and set the up with "free" housing,food,clothing,medical care,rent,and spending money.QuoteThe fact is Donald Trump has no history or desire to cut spending
I am certain that is a lie,but you know it is a lie too,so it is a waste of time for me to look up actual statements.
Since YOU are the one that brought this up,why not post a quote of his claiming he wants to increase the number of illegal aliens allowed into America?
After all,YOU are the one that made the statement,bubba.
Can you show me where is is against deporting illegal aliens,bubba
You DO know the campaign season hasn't even started yet,right?
Well,yeah,it IS a big reason,and it is going to get even worse if the Dims win and import millions more illegals and set the up with "free" housing,food,clothing,medical care,rent,and spending money.
I am certain that is a lie,but you know it is a lie too,so it is a waste of time for me to look up actual statements.
Since YOU are the one that brought this up,why not post a quote of his claiming he wants to increase the number of illegal aliens allowed into America?
After all,YOU are the one that made the statement,bubba.
Some,such as SS and Veterans Programs can't really be cut because they are OBLIGATIONS.
QuoteYou made the statement that we are going to deport the illegal immigrants.
Where and when? I made the statement that IF Trump becomes our next President that HE will order the roundup and deportation of illegal aliens.
I have also written that he is the ONLY candidate that will do that.QuoteI asked where is that in Donald Trump’s platform.
And I answered.QuoteIllegal immigrants are not the big reason the that we have our $32 trillion debt.
They are a LARGE part of it.QuoteBut they are definitely affecting state budget and places like Texas, Arizona, and California.
If you think they are the only states being affected,you need to get out more.QuoteBesides, I don’t think you understand the difference between mandatory and discretionaryo spending.
Uhhh,one is mandatory and the other discretionary?QuoteIf you think I’m lying about something, prove me wrong. Don’t tell me I’m a liar, but you’re not gonna look something up to prove that I am lying. In fairness to him, he did toy with the idea of cutting the budget while president. But he appears now to say no.
Glad to see you write the word "appears".QuoteLastly, I’ve never claimed that Donald Trump wants to increase the number of illegal immigrants.
If you think I have EVER written or implied that you had,I am sorry you misread what I wrote or that I wrote something ambiguous.QuoteYou made the statement about deporting them. I assume that you expect Trump to do that.
Yes,I do. I doubt that any President can find and deport ALL of them at this point in time,but I think he is the only one willing to try.QuoteIf not Donald Trump, who?
Good question. Wish I had an answer.
SoSec/Welfare/Medicare/Medicaid:
I will bet you money you can cut 25% out of those programs streamlining protocols and bureaucracy ALONE, not even touching any actual benefits.
@Maj. Bill Martin
Are you willing to claim that GOP voters want MORE money spent on anything other than deporting illegals?
Maybe
But it would be a drop in the bucket
They’re are to many that don’t see the crisis that can develop when your debt to GDP ratio sustains at over 100% and rising and you devalue the currency while interest rates rise making it more costly to maintain that debt
Simply cutting fraud and waste or “the illegals” isn’t going to be the fix
Where and when? I made the statement that IF Trump becomes our next President that HE will order the roundup and deportation of illegal aliens.
I have also written that he is the ONLY candidate that will do that.
And I answered.
They are a LARGE part of it.
If you think they are the only states being affected,you need to get out more.
Uhhh,one is mandatory and the other discretionary?
Glad to see you write the word "appears".
If you think I have EVER written or implied that you had,I am sorry you misread what I wrote or that I wrote something ambiguous.
Yes,I do. I doubt that any President can find and deport ALL of them at this point in time,but I think he is the only one willing to try.
Good question. Wish I had an answer.
SoSec/Welfare/Medicare/Medicaid:
I will bet you money you can cut 25% out of those programs streamlining protocols and bureaucracy ALONE, not even touching any actual benefits.
No, it's not but a drop in the bucket... Entitlements are one of the largest expenses. If you can knock 25% off that bill, and still meet obligations, that would be an EPIC discount, and a righteous step in the right direction...
Not to mention the savings knocking the props out from under the Insurance/Medical sectors which are holding costs extraordinarily high... Which has a a whole lot to do with price fixing coming out of Medicaid/Medicare.
I agree it ain't a proper fix, but it's whoppin big low-hanging fruit.
Maybe
But it would be a drop in the bucket
They’re are to many that don’t see the crisis that can develop when your debt to GDP ratio sustains at over 100% and rising and you devalue the currency while interest rates rise making it more costly to maintain that debt
Simply cutting fraud and waste or “the illegals” isn’t going to be the fix
Honestly, I think that's a gigantic myth. Any government program of significant size, especially an entitlement program whose benefits are mandated by law, is going to inherently have a level of waste/fraud/abuse that cannot be eradicated. So you either acknowledge that reality, or you don't have the programs at all.
The core problem for that is that the low level employees who would be most able to detect fraud or abuse don't have (and can't be given) the power or authority to deny payment based just on a suspicion. And there are always going to be enough loopholes in black letter administrative law that people are going to be able to exploit them for an extended period before being caught.
Maybe
But it would be a drop in the bucket
They’re are to many that don’t see the crisis that can develop when your debt to GDP ratio sustains at over 100% and rising and you devalue the currency while interest rates rise making it more costly to maintain that debt
Simply cutting fraud and waste or “the illegals” isn’t going to be the fix
I'm talking some Trump voters specifically, but yes. As long as it goes to the working class.
I read a lot from various Trumpers regarding the COVID stimulus bills. People wanted their checks to be large, but didn't want money going to illegals or for other stuff.
No, it's not but a drop in the bucket... Entitlements are one of the largest expenses. If you can knock 25% off that bill, and still meet obligations, that would be an EPIC discount, and a righteous step in the right direction...
Not to mention the savings knocking the props out from under the Insurance/Medical sectors, which are holding costs extraordinarily high... Which has a a whole lot to do with price fixing coming out of Medicaid/Medicare.
I agree it ain't a proper fix, but it's whoppin big low-hanging fruit.
Now you’re moving the goalposts
And I don’t get what your issue with the word “appears.” Trump has already said no to any entitlement reform. And he won’t even go after the boondoggle called ethanol subsidies
And your answer still proves you know the difference between mandatory and discretionary spending
@roamer_1
It may not be the total answer,depending on WHAT entitlements you are favoring ending,but it would be a start,and we HAVE to start somewhere.
I WILL fight any step to stop or cut veterans benefits for disabled vets,though. I am a 100 percent service-connected disabled veteran,and certain promises WERE made to me when I enlisted and re-enlisted in the army,and I damn sure expect those promises to be kept.
After all,if my only options are to either starve to death or take up my rifle and go into politics and at least die on my feet,guess which one I will take.
And I won't be alone by a long shot. No pun intended.
One group I expect to see beside me are the seniors that paid into SS for decades and who are too old and feeble to work anymore.
@LMAO
I missed that. Do you have a current link to him saying that you can provide.
@roamer_1
It may not be the total answer,depending on WHAT entitlements you are favoring ending,but it would be a start,and we HAVE to start somewhere.
Please point to one person who is seriously talking about cutting off disabled vets or low-income seniors.
He’s earned those benefits. It’s our way of saying “thank you SneakyPete for your service.” And as far as I’m concerned, my personal opinion is, we can never repay him enough for the sacrifices he made for this country
I’d sit down and have a beer with him any day of the week
He’s earned those benefits. It’s our way of saying “thank you SneakyPete for your service.” And as far as I’m concerned, my personal opinion is, we can never repay him enough for the sacrifices he made for this country
Whatever political differences, I have with him, I have a deep respect for him and his military service
I’d sit down and have a beer with him any day of the week
In fact, to vets damaged/disabled in theater, it is no where near enough.
Two of my very dear friends were Nam vets... and their retirement/disability was meager. A pittance.
He’s earned those benefits. It’s our way of saying “thank you SneakyPete for your service.” And as far as I’m concerned, my personal opinion is, we can never repay him enough for the sacrifices he made for this country
Whatever political differences, I have with him, I have a deep respect for him and his military service
I’d sit down and have a beer with him any day of the week
First round's on me!
@Maj. Bill Martin
I have to admit that I never read or even saw those posts.
To say nothing about the mistreatment they got when they came home
We had an Air Force Base that closed down in the mid-70s in Duluth Minnesota. One of the neighbor boys came back from Vietnam and I remember there was a local party for him. But the vets were overall mistreated by society.
Please point to one person who is seriously talking about cutting off disabled vets or low-income seniors.
QuoteWhich one. Entitlement reform?
@LMAO
Yes.QuoteTrump’s position echoes his long-held, albeit unorthodox, conviction that the Republican Party should stay away from attaching themselves to entitlement reform.
That statement is a two-edged sword that can be swung two different ways.QuotePrior to being elected president, Trump was highly critical of then-Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) for pushing austerity budgets during the Obama years.
That was then,and things have gotten much worse since then. I am hoping he will have changed his mind on this issue.QuoteOr ethanol…
Trump touted support for ethanol, and an executive order he made while in office to allow for year-round sales of 15% ethanol gasoline blend.
Being a fan and owner of antique cars and trucks,I am no fan of ethanol,but I just don't see it going away any time soon,regardless of who is in the WH.
As I said, @sneakypete ... 'without even touching benefits'... Doesn't hurt a damn thing for you, and makes government smaller for me.
That's the thing with taking the axe to over-bloated bureaucracies. Ain't no downside.
In my mind, Fed would get out of Entitlements entirely, as they are the bailiwick of the States, and a mighty hammer used against the states to make them go along with federal designs... That hammer needs to go away.
@roamer_1
I sure can't argue with that.
The exceptions of course being: vets, active duty mil, active and retired federal system employees, all of which are covered under the federal aegis.
But I don't think your federal retirement/disability would be as attractive in the competitive and innovative environment opened up by handing entitlements back to the states.
I am unsure what you mean by that. Do you mean "attractive to the budget cutters"?
I am not so sure of that. The most rabid budget cutters don't seem to have any limits when it comes to cutting budgets,because THEIR prime concern is about "What is good for Me,me,ME,DAMMIT?"
They want to pay zero dollars in taxes,regardless of who else it hurts,including national defense.
He’s earned those benefits. It’s our way of saying “thank you SneakyPete for your service.” And as far as I’m concerned, my personal opinion is, we can never repay him enough for the sacrifices he made for this country
Whatever political differences, I have with him, I have a deep respect for him and his military service
I’d sit down and have a beer with him any day of the week
He’s earned those benefits. It’s our way of saying “thank you SneakyPete for your service.” And as far as I’m concerned, my personal opinion is, we can never repay him enough for the sacrifices he made for this country
Whatever political differences, I have with him, I have a deep respect for him and his military service
I’d sit down and have a beer with him any day of the week.
Veterans benefits are a damn contract. You served based on the promise that you'd be entitled to those benefits, and you cannot break that promise. I don't consider those an "entitlement" because they were an earned benefit.
One rung down from that are Social Security and Medicare. You promised people they could rely on those in their retirement, they planned on it, and so changing that for people who already have retired and are too old is also unreasonable. The way to make changes those programs n entitlements.
None of those considerations apply to other entitlement programs where people are just given money not for services performed, and not as part of retirement. Those are the ones that should be reduced the most.
In fact, to vets damaged/disabled in theater, it is no where near enough.
Two of my very dear friends were Nam vets... and their retirement/disability was meager. A pittance.
Not so much here either... Country folks always have sons in the military, and always always welcome their sons back with open arms. They'd have to stand up at the rodeo at the county fair and get an ovation.
But that don't pay the bills, right?
@roamer_1
The VA has changed immensely since those days. I recently had two different VA clerks call me at home to help me get registered at a outcare clinic closer to home,and I didn't even ask either to do this. I had applied to the outcare clinic twice and been turned down both times for "reasons" unknown to me,and for some odd reason these two clerks took it upon themselves to make the clinic accept me. They did this,and I have never even seen either of them. I just answsered their questions over the phone.
This would have NEVER happened in the 70's.
I am unsure what you mean by that. Do you mean "attractive to the budget cutters"?
I am not so sure of that. The most rabid budget cutters don't seem to have any limits when it comes to cutting budgets,because THEIR prime concern is about "What is good for Me,me,ME,DAMMIT?"
They want to pay zero dollars in taxes,regardless of who else it hurts,including national defense.
After all,there aren't many jobs open in the civilian sector for "SF Recon Team Leader"
No, @sneakypete ... The two are not mutually exclusive. You can have efficient, tight management, AND benefits too.
The whole point of federalism (proper authority resting in the states, not the fed) is fifty ways, fifty experiments going at the same time... Rather than a federal dictate to all, that experimentation will provide efficiencies and competition that will winnow through the various states and find the best ways - Far better than what the fed does in its dictatorial way.
And if something doesn't work well, it will be limited to a few states and not everyone.
So it is always better to foster a distributed system.
And states are closer to the bone - closer to their constituents - I guarantee there is a far better chance of controlling bloated administration in the states.
There is an apparent small tear in the Space-Time Continuum.
Trumpers have been quiet since calling DeSantis gay, yesterday.
@roamer_1
I know and agree with all of that,but that is NOT the way things are working now. We have globalists in charge of our government,and their goal is domination and control,NOT efficiency or freedom.
There is an apparent small tear in the Space-Time Continuum.
Trumpers have been quiet since calling DeSantis gay, yesterday.
Even Fox News hosts are shocked by Trump going after Ron DeSantis’ sexuality
The former President said DeSantis could face sexual assault allegations from 'possibly a man!'
Jacob Seitz Jacob Seitz Tech Posted on Mar 20, 2023
Former President Donald Trump appeared to question Florida Governor Ron DeSantis’ (R) sexuality in a Truth Social post on Monday.
“Ron DeSanctimonious will probably find out about FALSE ACCUSATIONS & FAKE STORIES sometime in the future, as he gets older, wiser, and better known, when he’s unfairly and illegally attacked by a woman, even classmates that are “underage” (or possibly a man!). I’m sure he will want to fight these misfits just like I do!” Trump wrote.
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https://www.dailydot.com/debug/trump-truth-social-ron-desantis-gay/ (https://www.dailydot.com/debug/trump-truth-social-ron-desantis-gay/)
@sneakypete @Right_in_Virginia
Even Fox News hosts are shocked by Trump going after Ron DeSantis’ sexuality
@sneakypete @Right_in_Virginia
Thanks @corbe I thought you were referring to a Briefer. I had seen this before and put it in the "wait and see pile". :laugh:Yup...Trump is acting like a Christian alright. **nononono*
I know the primary season is pretty much a year away, but Trump has built up some huge momentum against DeSantis in the polls.
I know polls are worthless, especially at this point, but if DJT does have a valid 20-30 point lead say next February, this thing is pretty much over before it starts.
But, in my case, his recent behavior has precluded me, lifting the tiniest finger to help. Heck, I might even vote 3rd party.
As will I. I am a conservative, Not a populist.Look how far our country has fallen in the last 2 years. Can you imagine 6 more?
A Trump nomination will pretty much guarantee Biden second term or a possible replacement democrat as president.
We will have to maintain the House and try to take the Senate in 2024 . Although Trump lost the presidential election in 2020, Republicans made gains in Congress.
From what I’ve read, the Democrats have more Senate seats they have to defend this year than in 2022.
Roger Stone is pretty much a professional scumbag huh? And literally a cuck.
Even Fox News hosts are shocked by Trump going after Ron DeSantis’ sexuality
The former President said DeSantis could face sexual assault allegations from 'possibly a man!'
Jacob Seitz Jacob Seitz Tech Posted on Mar 20, 2023
Former President Donald Trump appeared to question Florida Governor Ron DeSantis’ (R) sexuality in a Truth Social post on Monday.
“Ron DeSanctimonious will probably find out about FALSE ACCUSATIONS & FAKE STORIES sometime in the future, as he gets older, wiser, and better known, when he’s unfairly and illegally attacked by a woman, even classmates that are “underage” (or possibly a man!). I’m sure he will want to fight these misfits just like I do!” Trump wrote.
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https://www.dailydot.com/debug/trump-truth-social-ron-desantis-gay/ (https://www.dailydot.com/debug/trump-truth-social-ron-desantis-gay/)
@sneakypete @Right_in_Virginia
@corbe
Getting hysterical and getting your panties all in a wad,ain't ya,missy?
TRUMP is NOT questioning the sexuality of DeSantis. He is saying the media will do this if he runs and becomes a threat to the Dims.
There is an apparent small tear in the Space-Time Continuum.
Trumpers have been quiet since calling DeSantis gay, yesterday.
Look how far our country has fallen in the last 2 years. Can you imagine 6 more?
The tactic has been used by Trump quite a lot.... The suggestion spread....
Example: I have heard the "Rumor A" and I don't know if "Rumor A" is really 100% true but it would be bad if "Rumor A" was, but I won't be mentioning certainly "Rumor A" and certainly "Worse Rumor B"... Next event rinse and repeat the deniable rumor for the press to spread if it has gained any traction.
@corbe
Getting hysterical and getting your panties all in a wad,ain't ya,missy?
TRUMP is NOT questioning the sexuality of DeSantis. He is saying the media will do this if he runs and becomes a threat to the Dims.
Neither Donald Trump, nor Ron DeSantis’s gonna “save America.” So it comes down to what they can do as president. A president can’t “save America.”
And maybe we’re on an unstoppable decline. I’d like to think at some point, this will all turn around. And it needs to start at the state and local level. If you’re looking for a president that will “save America,” prepare for disappointment.
Many of these governors are leading the way in their states. Abbott, DeSantis, Noem, and now, Sarah Huckabee Sanders
I still stand my prediction that the next Republican president, I don’t know when, will be a former governor
Stone/Pecker axiom No. 1. Start a rumour, leak it, deny you start it..... wash rinse, repeat.
We spend a lot of time blaming politicians in this country, how come the voters escape blame?
I don't wear panties for that very reason @sneakypete I wear Thongs.
We spend a lot of time blaming politicians in this country, how come the voters escape blame?
Funny when it comes from our side you get all bent of shape with your silly orange, rude, and bad man comments. But lo, if anything comes from your hero or his minions..... all is fine and perfect. Which way to you want it Pete?
We spend a lot of time blaming politicians in this country, how come the voters escape blame?
@catfish1957
I have ZERO problem with Trump and his supporters being VERY aggressive when dealing with the Dims and RINO's.
A better question is "Why do you and others like you love it when it's directed at Trump,and hate it when it is Trump doing it?
One thing is certain,if the RINO's get to determine who is going to run as the Republican Candidate for the WHY,it WILL be a "Miss Manners Republican",and the RNC is going to get handed their asses again.
Neither Donald Trump, nor Ron DeSantis’s gonna “save America.” So it comes down to what they can do as president. A president can’t “save America.”I stand by my prediction that there will never be another republican elected president (conservative).
And maybe we’re on an unstoppable decline. I’d like to think at some point, this will all turn around. And it needs to start at the state and local level. If you’re looking for a president that will “save America,” prepare for disappointment.
Many of these governors are leading the way in their states. Abbott, DeSantis, Noem, and now, Sarah Huckabee Sanders
I still stand my prediction that the next Republican president, I don’t know when, will be a former governor
I stand by my prediction that there will never be another republican elected president (conservative).
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Unless the RNC has their act together there's not a snowball's chance that the GOP will be seated anyways.
@catfish1957
A better question is "Why do you and others like you love it when it's directed at Trump,and hate it when it is Trump doing it?
How many times have I said "I don't like Trump BUT this or that is wrongly used in some fashion against him"... I don't want to be hypocritical is the reason I have stated that very phrase a good 50 times or more (just guessing of course) over the years in replies here at TBR.
I still don't like Trump, but right is right and wrong is wrong... pointing out flaws in even one's own candidate is being true to truth (and religiously to the Lord), there is no 100% perfect candidate, though the one I found closest (Roy) was ran down in the ground because of unfounded rumors and lies. Do unto others as you would want done to you... and that includes Trump.
@Sighlass
It appears I was wrong to include you in that cabal. My apologies.
You are wrong to put anyone here in that cabal.
@Sighlass
It appears I was wrong to include you in that cabal. My apologies.
@roamer_1
Yeah,causen you have never been critical of Trump,right?
Oh no, I am critical of hm all the time... Nearly daily. With just cause.
What your myopic view fails to see is that I have defended him too.
@roamer_1
What did you do,write that "He doesn't sweat much for a fat guy!"?
WTF?
https://twitter.com/i/status/1640756732287746063 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1640756732287746063)
Trump says "time will tell" whether Wray was a good choice for FBI director, appointed him because "the other side" wanted him. How can Trump not know that Wray was a disastrous choice? More importantly, if he cannot acknowledge his mistakes, how can we trust him to do better next time?
@sneakypete
I have been generally supportive of him in foreign policy.
I began supportive of his border initiatives.
I began supportive of his COVID initiatives.
All along I have been cognizant of the raw deal in the press.
The Jerusalem embassy deal was great - With him all the way.
Never bought the Russia Russia Russia bullcrap.
Never bought the FBI raid and secret documents crap.
And etc.
That's off the top of my head.
WTF?
https://twitter.com/i/status/1640756732287746063 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1640756732287746063)
Trump says "time will tell" whether Wray was a good choice for FBI director, appointed him because "the other side" wanted him. How can Trump not know that Wray was a disastrous choice? More importantly, if he cannot acknowledge his mistakes, how can we trust him to do better next time?
@massadvj
I'm a HUGE fan of Link Wray. Maybe it's time we started putting non-pols in positions like that? The "pros" don't seem to be doing very well.
@art.prout
I'll see your "Rumble",and raise you a "Backwoods Preacher Man".
Don't make me go to "Rocket 88"!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJcboxIVha4
@sneakypete
I have been generally supportive of him in foreign policy.
I began supportive of his border initiatives.
I began supportive of his COVID initiatives.
All along I have been cognizant of the raw deal in the press.
The Jerusalem embassy deal was great - With him all the way.
Never bought the Russia Russia Russia bullcrap.
Never bought the FBI raid and secret documents crap.
And etc.
That's off the top of my head.
The tweet isn't displaying properly; perhaps this version will:
https://twitter.com/emeriticus/status/1640756732287746063
Trump's problem is that he's an outsider who wants to fix the inside without knowing a damn thing about how it works. And he's needlessly alienated too many decent conservatives who could help him do that.
It is impossible to be an effective leader of any large organization without good people skills and the ability to work well with others. Trump's propensity to turn everything into "me against the world" makes that impossible.
@massadvj
I'm a HUGE fan of Link Wray. Maybe it's time we started putting non-pols in positions like that? The "pros" don't seem to be doing very well.
My list would add appointment of Judges/Justice
But I do think he screwed up to some extent with the documents. Not enough to justify what the FBI did, but I do think he gave them the opening they needed.
Agreed in spirit, but forgive me in that - Judicial appointments always turn out to be a crap-shoot, which is why I don't count it... As it stands, The sheer numbers in overturning throughout would tend to lean the court to the right, I would expect. And I also expect to credit him with that in the end, but that will take years... Just in the nature of it. So it is not me begrudging - I have credited him in theory already with that (as I am right now). But the only thing that really proves on it is time. So properly, not yet.
Oddly, I am more forgiving that you in that. Always in secure locations the greatest threat is the apathy that comes with repetition. So I am sure there were violations, There always ARE. That is normal seepage. So by no means can one cry 'innocent'
But Mar Lago has a SKIF in place - That meets the highest marks for secure storage. It is also meaningfully guarded by Secret Service, and all personnel are surely vetted by them...
So by and large, just by the structures in place to provide and guard a SKIF, and to provide an guard a volatile ex-president... It is necessarily bullcrap.
I'm talking about the "I can declassify it just by thinking it" aspect of this, which is just freaking stupid as far as I'm concerned.
All it would have taken would have been to have someone go through those documents, which would have taken a couple of days, list the classified ones, and then do a letter saying he was declassifying them. At least then he has a decent legal argument. But arguing that he can just kind of do it in his head or verbally, without any contemporaneous record or proof that he did so, was just bone-headed. A completely unnecessary point of contention.
I'm talking about the "I can declassify it just by thinking it" aspect of this, which is just freaking stupid as far as I'm concerned.
All it would have taken would have been to have someone go through those documents, which would have taken a couple of days, list the classified ones, and then do a letter saying he was declassifying them. At least then he has a decent legal argument. But arguing that he can just kind of do it in his head or verbally, without any contemporaneous record or proof that he did so, was just bone-headed. A completely unnecessary point of contention.
I think this might be about the 4th time I have mentioned this, but one of my last duties when I had managment of security, among other things at a petrochemical facility was help inmplement new and much tougher record retention requirement. Every person in the plant was required to have a heading on every document be it strictly confidnntial, confidential, busniness critical, businees general, and general. Each one of the document classications had a specific what they alled "point of control" requirement, which corrsponded to just that, where a point of contril could be pass word protection, a locked door, a locked file cabinet, etc.
Well after 6 months after implemation, corporate security dictated me to do. a comprehensive audit of the facility, and I found that 96% of the site was not in compliance. Yes, it was a new requirement, but my point is, is that if you want an automatic- "gotcha" as far as rules or law infractions, document managment is the easiest way to nail someone.
And I am sure that goes for the same in Federal Government.
sneakypete...
Quote from: Hoodat on March 14, 2023, 12:41:57 am
Stabbed in the back? How so?
@Hoodat
You are kidding,right?
Nobody outside of Florida knew who DeSantis was until he was hooked up with Trump and everybody became convinced he would be a good VP candidate for Trump and a good man to take over after Trump has to leave office after one more term.
sneakypete,
So many comments made by you in this thread are just false, and/or out right stupid, which is not like you.
Nobody outside of Florida knows Ron DeSantis? Really? What rock are you living under? Really, what state do you live in? Your bio does not say.
@jafo2010
Yes,really. I DON'T live in Florida,and I had never heard of him before,which obviously means I had heard no one talk about him before.
Trump made DeSantis. You believe that nonsense too? DeSantis never needed Trump. Not ever.
Yeah,causen all those people who HAD heard of DeSantis had never heard of Trump,right?
ONE of us is living under a rock,and it ain't me.
Trump never ran against Clinton? Really?
Where did I ever make that claim?
Again, were you the fellow in real life that was frozen for years and brought back to life like Mel Gibson in the movie Forever Young? Does the name Hillary Clinton ring a bell?
Don't tell me,let me guess,Trump ran against President Hillary,too?
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Now, thanks to the *sshat Alvin Bragg, Trump will use this indictment as a unifying act like nothing moron Biden could think of in terms of unifying the country. And BTW, you would vote for Biden? Your words!
When and where did I ever make that claim?
I have never seen DeSantis do anything that would fit in the realm of stabbing Trump in the back. Nothing!
ROFLMAO! You are clearly a DeSantis groupie.
A DeSantis has had an excellent run as governor in Florida. I understand perfectly why he would consider running in 2024. He owes Trump nothing. And he does not need to wait his turn either.
See the above.
I voted for Trump twice, reluctantly the 2nd time. Why? Because he lied repeatedly to the American people, and he now lies such that I am sick of it.
FACTS RENDER TRUMP'S EMPTY RHETORIC ALMOST MEANINGLESS.
1. Trump did NOT build the wall. That was his biggest plank running for 2016.
I suppose you expected him to use his own money to buy the materials,and then get out there and mix the cement and lay the blocks himself?
2. Trump did NOT end the H1-b Visa Program. He met with the tech billionaire oligarchs and increased the numbers. That is
1.6 million Americans displaced by largely Asian Indians at half the salary and no benefits. This one aw-sh*t wiped out
all that he did otherwise. I am a tech guy, and I have worked with the Indians, and I have been adversely affected
by the H1-b Visa policy, along with many Americans I know. TRUMP SAID HE WOULD ELIMINATE THE H1-B VISA
PROGRAM DAY ONE, so he must have thought it was important for him getting elected.
IF I thought you were within shouting distance of sanity I would ask you if you thought he was a dictator and didn't need the support of Congress to do major projects like that.
I am tired of babysitting you. You obviously think Trump created "Orininal Sin". Goodbye.
I will never Vote for Trump. I did not vote for Romney or McCain either AND most importantly I have NEVER voted for a dem, in my 69 years.
sneakypete...
I am tired of babysitting you. You obviously think Trump created "Orininal Sin". Goodbye.
Nobody outside of Florida knows Ron DeSantis? Really? What rock are you living under? Really, what state do you live in? Your bio does not say.
Trump made DeSantis. You believe that nonsense too? DeSantis never needed Trump. Not ever
Babysitting me? LOL
I don't think he created Original Sin, but there are plenty that do. Remember smart *ss, a man that sat in his basement beat Trump handily, a man that cannot utter a sentence without stumbling through the words. Trump was so beloved, that he got beat by a functional idiot, a man dead from the neck up!!! Did I get that wrong?
And in his effort to fight what I believe was a fixed election, he hired lawyers that were not worth a good BM. Remember the CRACKEN come to whip the sh*t out of all the fixers? That rhetoric was about as useful as wet matches.
Facts, you know what facts are, right sneakypete, without having to be an ignorant smart *ss like the man you idolize like a god?
FACT Year 1, he pisses the whole year on Obamacare. Now, maybe you don't know much about healthcare other than being bent over and abused by it, but for those of us that have spent decades in the sh*tshow, healthcare is NOT taken lightly. It is very complex, and has more snakes than any den of snakes that existed. More six figure pukes that think their voids do not stink than you can imagine. And in the end, the federal government, and particularly Congress, are about as dead from the neck up as Biden. Every day the federal bureaucrats sit around dreaming up new ways to make healthcare more complicated than it is, and Congress avoids it like the plague. But Trump in his infinite wisdom thought he could take it on alone, kicking John McCain in the teeth every day only for that maggot on his death bed to be the deciding vote against Trump's agenda, his own Republican POTUS.
And you think I believe Trump to be a dictator? I don't, but he surely did. Dumb as a f***ing stump!!! I guess Jared was not up to speed on healthcare to hold DT's hand on this issue! And Ivanka was busy at the time trying to start her jewelry line I think. Aw shucks!
I bought into Trump's empty rhetoric as much as you, but unlike the groupie you are, I measure stinking politicians not by what they say, but by what they accomplish. Trump said he would build the wall and end the influx of illegals flooding the country taking jobs away from blue collar AMERICAN workers. He said he would end the H1-b Visa Program DAY ONE, which would have returned 1.6 million Americans to high paid white collar jobs. Heck, everyone I knew in systems development were excited by someone finally representing them. But the FACT of the matter, Trump built 440 miles of wall on a 2,000+ mile border, and he INCREASED the H1-b Visa recipients at the urging of the tech billionaires, the same pukes that did stab him in the back spending probably close to $1 billion to keep him out of office in 2020. You just can't make this sh*t up how EXACTLY STUPID TRUMP WAS!!!!
It wasn't DeSantis that stabbed him in the back, but other billionaires he trusted, men that he[Trump] kissed the posterior of only to have them repeatedly put knives in his back. Those boys did to him what DeSantis would never even think to do to anyone. Trump's billionaire buddies fixed his election but good. DeSantis had nothing to do with that fix, that back stabbing.
And in discussions with many of the American folks I know in tech, they all felt betrayed. I knew he would lose most of the 1.6 million as votes in 2020, most of their spouses, most of all the other folks in their circle of life, I figure some 5 million +/-.
And then there are the INDEPENDENTS, which number more than either party, and one does not win elections without them. You think they enjoyed his caustic bullsh*t day in and day out like you? Hell no, they were not Trump groupies like you. You used the term, and believe me, if anyone in America are groupies in the political realm, it is the fools that buy Trump's empty rhetoric.
Bottomline, out of the COVID bullsh*t, the only person that emerged a true hero was Ron DeSantis. You know that unknown character from Florida...LOL.
And mark my words, as the truth slowly drips out, drop by drop, no one that endorsed Dr Mengele Fauci will be thought of kindly, and Trump is at the top of that list. I never heard him once sing anything but Fauci's praises. You know, the same man that said 'we do not need to worry about this virus'. Said no need to wear masks, and then said wear a mask, and then said wear two masks, and then said wear a mask and a shield, and then said only the unvaxed spread the disease, and then said if you are vaxed you will not get the disease, and that the vaxed was safe. Now that is the the ROFLMAO that will have millions dying, only I am not rolling on the floor. I want people indicted for mass genocide. And yes, Trump could have fired Fauci, but no, he sung his praises the whole time.
By the time November, 2024 rolls around, mark my words, anyone associated in any way with Fauci will be thought of like leprosy was back at the time of Christ. And remember, it was TRUMP that selected Fauci to head up the fight on COVID, and defended him right up to the point he left office. And don't think for a second that his defense of Fauci had no adverse affect on folks voting for him. Most of the folks I know were informed about COVID, and none of them voted for Trump. They didn't vote for Biden either. Supporting Fauci cost Trump millions of votes.
And the total adverse affect of COVID vaccines on the population has still not fully manifested itself. In highly vaxed countries, mortality rates are up 10%. Again, by 2024, there will be more and more reports of higher rates of cancer, higher mortality, etc, and no one will blame COVID vaccines until about three weeks before the election in November, 2024, and they will be naming Trump and Fauci as the merchants of death. Come November, 2024, the Democommies will be able to run an old dead goat, and he will beat Trump. I am talking about Biden. He will not need to campaign again, and he will laugh all his way to victory, even if 200 million voted for Trump, there would be 201 million to vote for Biden, even though we only have 350 million in total population, and the dead and the younger than 18 can't vote. But the dead do as we well know...again...LOL
I know as a 2nd term, Trump will do little. But a person in his 1st term, a person proven to produce results, has a shot at it. And the fact is, DeSantis has worked with his legislative folks to pass legislation, something Trump could take a lesson from, not that his ego would allow it.
But then again, that is assuming we had free and fair elections. We don't. And no one I know or have listened to knows how to restore it either.
(https://i.imgur.com/9ClxGBx.jpg)THINK MY BOARD GAME IDEA MIGHT CATCH ON??
@Meshuge Mikey
So,if Trump is the Republican nominee,you are going to sit home and not vote,and feel smug about your role in helping re-elect Biden?
Oh, here we go again... **nononono*
When will this asinine argument go away?
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@libertybele
It will probably outlast the next election,regardless of who wins.
Oh, here we go again... **nononono*
When will this asinine argument go away?
It is a go to
I've come to the realization there is a huge percentage of our population who have had nothing but "lesser of evils" as choice for POTUS general election.... 1988,1992,1996,2000,2004,2008,2012,2016,2020, and looking now like 2024.
We've become a nation of 10 times losers....... And that binary choice bullshit has become worse than Lucy and Charlie Brown's Football gag.
I've come to the realization there is a huge percentage of our population who have had nothing but "lesser of evils" as choice for POTUS general election.... 1988,1992,1996,2000,2004,2008,2012,2016,2020, and looking now like 2024.
We've become a nation of 10 times losers....... And that binary choice bullshit has become worse than Lucy and Charlie Brown's Football gag.
Oh, here we go again... **nononono*But wait there's more! Didn't a certain all in for Trump member just recently state that if DeSantis was the nominee they wouldn't vote for him...you know they would sit home and not vote,and feel smug about your role in helping re-elect Biden?
When will this asinine argument go away?
Might as well tell all. Reagan in 80 and Mickey Mouse in 92. That's all folks.
But wait there's more! Didn't a certain all in for Trump member just recently state that if DeSantis was the nominee they wouldn't vote for him...you know they would sit home and not vote,and feel smug about your role in helping re-elect Biden?
Just out of curiosity, why didn't you vote for Reagan in 1984?
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