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Title: Trollops, Trannies and Trump. The Coming of Age of the Morton Downey, Jr. Generation
Post by: Luis Gonzalez on August 23, 2015, 01:01:17 pm
Trollops, Trannies and Trump. The Coming of Age of the Morton Downey, Jr. Generation


By Luis Gonzalez

Bong hits, Donald Fagen and maybe a little José Cuervo.

“Biscayne Bay, where the Cuban gentlemen sleep all day.”

Loved that line. Always sang out loud. Still do actually.

Maybe it’s in the blood… ya think?

Anyway.

A decade-plus old LP spinning on my decade-old Technics SL-3300 table that still sounded good, even with the pops and that one skip about a minute and fifteen seconds into “Any World (That I’m Welcome To)” . Throw throw in some friends and libations.

Any random night in 1988.

Well, all that and eventually Morton.

Morton Downey Jr. that is.

Look… I was young and stupid.

I could have TRIED talking the bong hits and tequila crowd hanging out at my place into tuning to Buckley’s “Firing Line”, it had the shit time slot on the one other TV station we could get in the apartment, but let’s be real for a minute here. What guy my age  in 1988 would own up to watching Buckley?

Old people watched that crap.

Strippers for God, white supremacists at the Apollo and Al Sharpton getting knocked on his ass, Morton was entertainment for sans-culottes. The main course to follow the bong hits, Steely Dan and the shots of José Cuervo.

It’s hard to imagine that The Morton Downey Jr. Show only lasted two years.

Buckley’s Firing Line ran for thirty-three years. Over fifteen hundred episodes with Buckley being its only host. I watched as many as I could once I was alone, far from the madding crowd… well, madding only up until the second round of Cuervo anyway.

I have to admit that a lot of it went over my head, and some of it put me to sleep, but sometimes Buckley could make my head buzz as wildly as some of the other stuff did.

Buckley was great.

Thirty-three years of intelligent, erudite conversation and on topics of substance being batted about by people of substance equal to the complexity of the issues, yet, it was Morton Downey Jr. that changed America forever.

Morton saw us for what we were.

Morton saw the future.

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=71&v=tqjIN4MTDzg#)

What was scandalous about the Morton Downey, Jr. show yesterday, is standard in pretty much every show on TV and even our daily lives.

Case in point.

My wife watches a “reality” show called The Bachelor/Bachelorette. The format is very simple:

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He gets to hook up with all of them (to one degree or another) which is how he decides who stays and who goes, and eventually falls in love (to one degree or another) with one of them, and he may (or may not) propose matrimony to that last standing babe.

The Bachelorette is the same thing, except with one gal and twenty-five guys heading off into the sunset, looking for love, or at least hook ups.

This season, I watched The Bachelorette with my better half (happy wife, happy life!) and it was something else.

You see, this season’s Bachelorette almost immediately knew who was “it”, but she had to continue on with the show. All the flights and hotels hab been booked after all.

Now, she told Mr. “It” that he was “it” way early in the show, but seeing how the show had to go on, he had to watch her make out with twenty plus other guys that he had to room with for weeks. And as if that wasn’t bad enough, one guy decided to join the show two weeks into the process, and he KNEW our heroine from “before”. Then in a booze-drive romantic tryst, somewhere in the Irish countryside, the Bachelorette and the late arrival consummate their passion while Mr. It sits back at the hotel and talks about trusting his girl.

There is a point to all this… truet me.

Not unexpectedly, the blogosphere and social media went after our randy heroine with a passion. It was ugly.

Every day my wife would read the worst of the worst comments from fan pages and Facebook groups, and they were bad.

Then, she had to tell Mr. It, on camera, that she had slept with the Other Guy. He just sat there until he had to leave the room.

A few episodes later, he proposes to her.

Then came the “After the Show” show and when the issue of all the nastiness came up, the crowd stood and cheered for our brave Bachelorette and her brave stance in the face of all the”unfair and unjustified” attacks on her values and morals, and just like that, the trollop had her virtue (sort of) restored as she sat there fighting back tears and holding her head up, while Mr. “It” sat next to her wondering just how many more times he was going to have to hear about how the girl of his dreams had banged some guy on national TV, just a few nights before he proposed to her.

The show plays twice a year (one Bachelor and one Bachelorette) and a selected number of each of the show’s “also rans” (the ones sent home early) get to spend a few weeks at a Mexican Beach resort in Puerto Vallarta, where Jorge the bartender pours them drinks in coconuts while dishing out relationship advice. The hook ups run wild.

This, oddly enough, doesn’t play as “odd” to most people today. It’s normal.

This year, the summer hook-up-in-Mexico-for-losers show ran roughly during the same slot as another odd show.

I’m talking about “I Am Cait.”

For those of you that have been stuck in the International Space Station for the past year or sow, this show is basically a set of cameras and microphones following Bruce Jenner (the former Olympian) dressed like a woman and (among other things) shopping for one-piece bathing suit that properly hides her package, some sensible pumps in a man’s size 12, and a women that “she” may be attracted to.

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVZdq5ErcOY#)

This too, is part of the new normal.

Caitlyn Jenner was awarded the Arthur Ashe Award for Courage, so named for the universally admired tennis player who died in 1993 and was famous for his steely determination and sense of personal dignity.

There were others that could have been considered for the award like Lauren Hill, the 19-year-old college freshman from Mount St. Joseph University in Cincinnati who helped raise money for cancer research while waging an inspirational battle with an inoperable brain tumor that failed to stop her from achieving her dream of playing college basketball.

Lauren was apparently not as courageous as Caitlyn.

Then there was Noah Galloway, an Iraqi war veteran who lost two limbs but in spite of that continued to enter competitions, including an inspiring run on ABC’s “Dancing With the Stars.”

Noah was apparently as courageous as Caitlyn.

It’s a mad, mad, mad world.

It’s a Morton Downey, Jr. world, because Morton understood the power that one can generate by tapping into the people’s base instincts. He led the way and along the way created an entirely new genre of TV entertainment that gave life to shows like The Jerry Springer Show, the Sally Jesse Raphael Show, Maury “Who’s Your Daddy” Povich, The People’s Court,etc.

Beyond that, and equally as significant, Mort’s trend have permeated the TV talking head shows, with the likes of Chris Matthews, Glenn Beck, Al “You a Punk Faggot” Sharpton, Sean Hannity, Judge Jeanine, Rachel “Mad Cow” Maddow, Bill O’Reilly taking up the Morton Downey, Jr. standard to one degree or another.

The Morton Downey, Jr style can be heard over the airwaves and podcasts. Too many there to name.

These entertainers reign over the media. Sure, there are some remnants of the old “Firing Line” format, but no one watches them because they’re bland, boring and no one yells at anyone. And we want yelling and we want to be entertained, and to Hell with substance and erudite conversation.

But I don’t think that even Morton could have seen Trump coming.

I don’t think that even in his wildest imaginings Morton could have imagined the Trump candidacy, and his standings in the polls.

Morton, whose entire show premiered and peaked during the Reagan Presidency could have never believed that just a few decades later, he GOP’s leading contender and the conservative choice for the Presidency would be a pro-choice, pro gun control, pro taxation, pro socialized medicine billionaire who as a registered Democrat during the George W. Bush administration, and whose most recent job experience was as a host in a TV “reality” show. Conservatives who spent the entire Obama administration hammering him on his crippling inexperience have elevated three candidates to the top of the polls who “make Sarah Palin look like a wisened political veteran”.

Even Morton may be shocked.

So this is the world where those people who watched The Morton Downey, Jr. show live now live in.

A world where Target removes “Gender-Based Signs” from their aisles to avoid some manner of frustrations expressed by some of their customers over signs offering gender-specific products, while Bruce/Caitlyn Jenner shops for a one-piece bathing suit dressed as a woman and discusses a woman that “she” is going away for a weekend with.

A world were trollops are virtuous and virgins rare and even weird.

A world were trannies are courageous and police officers cowards.

A world were Donald Trump is the leading contender for the office once occupied by the likes of Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln and Reagan.

A world were people will wonder around Target lost, not knowing where to find tampons or cup protectors.

Somewhere, Morton may be thinking of suing the nation for royalties.

He should.

Our world is one never-ending Morton Downey, Jr Show every day.

Or maybe, Morton should be The Donald’s VP.

That way at least there would be one real Republican in the ticket.

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=6&v=F224PTY_DpI#)
Title: Re: Trollops, Trannies and Trump. The Coming of Age of the Morton Downey, Jr. Generation
Post by: andy58-in-nh on August 23, 2015, 01:24:10 pm
It would appear that Reality Television has finally caught up with us.

In reality.

We have - at long last - a decent handful of smart, articulate, experienced and attractive Republican candidates from whom to choose and instead, the American people go all Jerry Springer on our ass. 

It's so depressing that I've been changing the channel both literally and figuratively for weeks now.
Title: Re: Trollops, Trannies and Trump. The Coming of Age of the Morton Downey, Jr. Generation
Post by: DCPatriot on August 23, 2015, 01:53:43 pm
I'll tell you why I'm encouraging Donald Trump's candidacy at this time.

It's gotten to the point that proper decorum is out of place in politics.  Tis true.  "Nice guys finish last".

In fact, after being 'burned' now several times going back to Robert Dole and John McCain, while the country seems to be sprinting toward Socialism, what exactly is it about Republicans' fascination with one-arm handicapped Nominees?  It's beyond ridiculous.

Next up, the candidate with the pearly white smile.  Like something out of a Pepsodent commercial.  One that you swore, stepped out of a Leave it to Beaver or Donna Reed episode.

If Mitt Romney couldn't beat a conniving Marxist like Barack Obama and the mainstream media complex, who could possibly pick up the banner and save our Republic?

Not only "No Sir!", but "HELL NO, YOU STUPID SOBS!"   I've had it.

Time to try something new and different.   How about a candidate that has the ballz to rip off an opponent's face and show it to him?

My country is circling the drain and Social Conservatives are still stomping their feet and asking for another 'one' armed Savior?

Uh....before you run out to pick out the proper color to paint the house....FIRST put out the Goddamned fire!

It may be true that Donald Trump is more Democrat than Republican. 

NEWSFLASH!!   I don't give a ###K.  The hillside our Republic was built upon has been steadily eroding.  Blame it on WoodStock.  Blame it on Kent State.  Blame it on VietNam.  Blame it on public sector unions.  DON'T CARE!

Shoring up the hill is fruitless and pointless.

Today's Democrats are not in the vein of John F. Kennedy or even William Jefferson Clinton.  Today's Democrat leadership would have been rounded up and arrested 'only' 60 years ago.

Therefore, I choose to understand and respect my enemies on the Left, and get realistic in my new chosen leader.

#1.  I want an unabashed Capitalist who appreciates the concept of Trickle Down Economics.  One who knows full well that there is a pent-up pile of cash just waiting for a signal that it's safe to come out and grow a business once again without punishing regulations whose only intent was to destroy wealth.

#2.  I want every single one of Obama's Executive Orders to be rescinded.

Does anybody think for one minute that Barack Obama, the retired POTUS is going away?  He'll be in our faces every damned night on the news.  They'll have a Barack Obama segment for chrissakes.

No.  We need a POTUS that will not go the 'mature', 'adult' way filled with gravitas and other assorted happy horsesh*t.  One that stays pissed and vindictive and continues to destroy our enemies.

And that person today is Donald Trump.
Title: Re: Trollops, Trannies and Trump. The Coming of Age of the Morton Downey, Jr. Generation
Post by: Luis Gonzalez on August 23, 2015, 01:57:05 pm
It would appear that Reality Television has finally caught up with us.

In reality.

We have - at long last - a decent handful of smart, articulate, experienced and attractive Republican candidates from whom to choose and instead, the American people go all Jerry Springer on our ass. 

It's so depressing that I've been changing the channel both literally and figuratively for weeks now.

I've been talking about Jerry Springer politics for quite sometime now. It's the norm for both sides of the political spectrum now.

Sad.

Trump/Downey 2016!
Title: Re: Trollops, Trannies and Trump. The Coming of Age of the Morton Downey, Jr. Generation
Post by: Luis Gonzalez on August 23, 2015, 02:00:50 pm
I'll tell you why I'm encouraging Donald Trump's candidacy at this time.

It's gotten to the point that proper decorum is out of place in politics.  Tis true.  "Nice guys finish last".

In fact, after being 'burned' now several times going back to Robert Dole and John McCain, while the country seems to be sprinting toward Socialism, what exactly is it about Republicans' fascination with one-arm handicapped Nominees?  It's beyond ridiculous.

Next up, the candidate with the pearly white smile.  Like something out of a Pepsodent commercial.  One that you swore, stepped out of a Leave it to Beaver or Donna Reed episode.

If Mitt Romney couldn't beat a conniving Marxist like Barack Obama and the mainstream media complex, who could possibly pick up the banner and save our Republic?

Not only "No Sir!", but "HELL NO, YOU STUPID SOBS!"   I've had it.

Time to try something new and different.   How about a candidate that has the ballz to rip off an opponent's face and show it to him?

My country is circling the drain and Social Conservatives are still stomping their feet and asking for another 'one' armed Savior?

Uh....before you run out to pick out the proper color to paint the house....FIRST put out the Goddamned fire!

It may be true that Donald Trump is more Democrat than Republican. 

NEWSFLASH!!   I don't give a ###K.  The hillside our Republic was built upon has been steadily eroding.  Blame it on WoodStock.  Blame it on Kent State.  Blame it on VietNam.  Blame it on public sector unions.  DON'T CARE!

Shoring up the hill is fruitless and pointless.

Today's Democrats are not in the vein of John F. Kennedy or even William Jefferson Clinton.  Today's Democrat leadership would have been rounded up and arrested 'only' 60 years ago.

Therefore, I choose to understand and respect my enemies on the Left, and get realistic in my new chosen leader.

#1.  I want an unabashed Capitalist who appreciates the concept of Trickle Down Economics.  One who knows full well that there is a pent-up pile of cash just waiting for a signal that it's safe to come out and grow a business once again without punishing regulations whose only intent was to destroy wealth.

#2.  I want every single one of Obama's Executive Orders to be rescinded.

Does anybody think for one minute that Barack Obama, the retired POTUS is going away?  He'll be in our faces every damned night on the news.  They'll have a Barack Obama segment for chrissakes.

No.  We need a POTUS that will not go the 'mature', 'adult' way filled with gravitas and other assorted happy horsesh*t.  One that stays pissed and vindictive and continues to destroy our enemies.

And that person today is Donald Trump.

I love you man, but you're delusional.

You have no way to predict that Trump will do any of the things that you think he will do. He's not anything if not unpredictable.

The rest of our government isn't simply going to fade into obscurity while Trump carries out your crusade.
Title: Re: Trollops, Trannies and Trump. The Coming of Age of the Morton Downey, Jr. Generation
Post by: DCPatriot on August 23, 2015, 02:19:24 pm
I love you man, but you're delusional.

You have no way to predict that Trump will do any of the things that you think he will do. He's not anything if not unpredictable.

The rest of our government isn't simply going to fade into obscurity while Trump carries out your crusade.

Perhaps not, but I'll guaran-effing-tee you that he can emulate Obama's 1st two years and get us going.  He'll have a GOP House and Senate, and perhaps, a super majority to work with until the notorious 2018 mid-terms come to screw up everything again.

Title: Re: Trollops, Trannies and Trump. The Coming of Age of the Morton Downey, Jr. Generation
Post by: aligncare on August 23, 2015, 02:23:04 pm
I'll tell you why I'm encouraging Donald Trump's candidacy at this time.

It's gotten to the point that proper decorum is out of place in politics.  Tis true.  "Nice guys finish last".

In fact, after being 'burned' now several times going back to Robert Dole and John McCain, while the country seems to be sprinting toward Socialism, what exactly is it about Republicans' fascination with one-arm handicapped Nominees?  It's beyond ridiculous.

Next up, the candidate with the pearly white smile.  Like something out of a Pepsodent commercial.  One that you swore, stepped out of a Leave it to Beaver or Donna Reed episode.

If Mitt Romney couldn't beat a conniving Marxist like Barack Obama and the mainstream media complex, who could possibly pick up the banner and save our Republic?

Not only "No Sir!", but "HELL NO, YOU STUPID SOBS!"   I've had it.

Time to try something new and different.   How about a candidate that has the ballz to rip off an opponent's face and show it to him?

My country is circling the drain and Social Conservatives are still stomping their feet and asking for another 'one' armed Savior?

Uh....before you run out to pick out the proper color to paint the house....FIRST put out the Goddamned fire!

It may be true that Donald Trump is more Democrat than Republican. 

NEWSFLASH!!   I don't give a ###K.  The hillside our Republic was built upon has been steadily eroding.  Blame it on WoodStock.  Blame it on Kent State.  Blame it on VietNam.  Blame it on public sector unions.  DON'T CARE!

Shoring up the hill is fruitless and pointless.

Today's Democrats are not in the vein of John F. Kennedy or even William Jefferson Clinton.  Today's Democrat leadership would have been rounded up and arrested 'only' 60 years ago.

Therefore, I choose to understand and respect my enemies on the Left, and get realistic in my new chosen leader.

#1.  I want an unabashed Capitalist who appreciates the concept of Trickle Down Economics.  One who knows full well that there is a pent-up pile of cash just waiting for a signal that it's safe to come out and grow a business once again without punishing regulations whose only intent was to destroy wealth.

#2.  I want every single one of Obama's Executive Orders to be rescinded.

Does anybody think for one minute that Barack Obama, the retired POTUS is going away?  He'll be in our faces every damned night on the news.  They'll have a Barack Obama segment for chrissakes.

No.  We need a POTUS that will not go the 'mature', 'adult' way filled with gravitas and other assorted happy horsesh*t.  One that stays pissed and vindictive and continues to destroy our enemies.

And that person today is Donald Trump.

If Mitt Romney couldn't beat a conniving Marxist like Barack Obama and the mainstream media complex, who could possibly pick up the banner and save our Republic?

Money line.

Mitt Romney was exactly the right candidate at the right time, and he lost because of politics –I spit that last word out.

Voters sometimes make the worst decisions under the influence of mainstream media, pop culture and the democrats' special brand of grevience politics. Nothing was going to change the trajectory. America's first black president was going to be reelected. Period. Evidence of his duplicity and failures be dammed.
Title: Re: Trollops, Trannies and Trump. The Coming of Age of the Morton Downey, Jr. Generation
Post by: aligncare on August 23, 2015, 02:24:26 pm
Donald Trump is not Barack Obama.
Title: Re: Trollops, Trannies and Trump. The Coming of Age of the Morton Downey, Jr. Generation
Post by: Bigun on August 23, 2015, 02:30:45 pm
For whatever it's worth here is my personal list in the order that I would actually VOTE if I had to vote tomorrow!

 •  Scott Walker 

 •  Ted Cruz 
 • Rick Perry
 •  Bobby Jindal
 •  Mike Huckabee
 •  Dr. Ben Carson
 •  Carly Fiorina
 
   


•  Chris Christie
•  Jeb Bush
•  John Kasich
•  Marco Rubio
•  Rick Santorum
•  Rand Paul 
•  Jim Gilmore
•  Donald Trump 
•  Lindsey Graham
Title: Re: Trollops, Trannies and Trump. The Coming of Age of the Morton Downey, Jr. Generation
Post by: bkepley on August 23, 2015, 02:31:57 pm
I love you man, but you're delusional.

You have no way to predict that Trump will do any of the things that you think he will do. He's not anything if not unpredictable.

The rest of our government isn't simply going to fade into obscurity while Trump carries out your crusade.

Trump would go into the presidency with the same attitude he always has, he is beholden to no one and he did it all himself.  No one knows what he would do.  He would have no problem saying "you know after thinking about it I have decided that we simply have to grant amnesty etc..etc..". 
Title: Re: Trollops, Trannies and Trump. The Coming of Age of the Morton Downey, Jr. Generation
Post by: Luis Gonzalez on August 23, 2015, 02:48:42 pm
Perhaps not, but I'll guaran-effing-tee you that he can emulate Obama's 1st two years and get us going.  He'll have a GOP House and Senate, and perhaps, a super majority to work with until the notorious 2018 mid-terms come to screw up everything again.

You have no idea what Truml will do because you have no record to base anything on.

You hope that he does what you think he will do, but you just don't know.
Title: Re: Trollops, Trannies and Trump. The Coming of Age of the Morton Downey, Jr. Generation
Post by: Scottftlc on August 23, 2015, 03:55:59 pm
I love you man, but you're delusional.

You have no way to predict that Trump will do any of the things that you think he will do. He's not anything if not unpredictable.

The rest of our government isn't simply going to fade into obscurity while Trump carries out your crusade.

Perhaps not, unlike Republicans, the Democrats FIGHT even at poor odds.

Regardless, we do know for a fact that the Republicans DID fade into obscurity while Obama has carried out HIS crusade.  It does suggest that a different breed of Republican might be needed.  For we know with almost perfect knowledge in advance that Jeb Bush would fade into upper-crust genteel obscurity even with super-majorities.
Title: Re: Trollops, Trannies and Trump. The Coming of Age of the Morton Downey, Jr. Generation
Post by: bkepley on August 23, 2015, 04:11:58 pm
Perhaps not, unlike Republicans, the Democrats FIGHT even at poor odds.

Regardless, we do know for a fact that the Republicans DID fade into obscurity while Obama has carried out HIS crusade.  It does suggest that a different breed of Republican might be needed.  For we know with almost perfect knowledge in advance that Jeb Bush would fade into upper-crust genteel obscurity even with super-majorities.

A new breed that would do what given divided gvmnt?  Great wailing an knashing of teeth?  Government shutdowns?  It's always oh so easy for the critics.
Title: Re: Trollops, Trannies and Trump. The Coming of Age of the Morton Downey, Jr. Generation
Post by: Bigun on August 23, 2015, 04:16:39 pm
A new breed that would do what given divided gvmnt?  Great wailing an knashing of teeth?  Government shutdowns?  It's always oh so easy for the critics.

Are you old enough to remember phonograph records?  Do you remember how annoying it was when the needle got stuck in a grove and just played the same thing over and over again?

Probably not!
Title: Re: Trollops, Trannies and Trump. The Coming of Age of the Morton Downey, Jr. Generation
Post by: bkepley on August 23, 2015, 04:26:29 pm
Are you old enough to remember phonograph records?  Do you remember how annoying it was when the needle got stuck in a grove and just played the same thing over and over again?

Probably not!

Oh of course Bigun but those always whining about the GOP leadership are not broken records?  Name one issue during the Obama administration and tell us how it should have been handled.  All this crying all the time about the GOPe is annoying when you have nothing to offer in its place.
Title: Re: Trollops, Trannies and Trump. The Coming of Age of the Morton Downey, Jr. Generation
Post by: truth_seeker on August 23, 2015, 04:35:30 pm
Are you old enough to remember phonograph records? 

I am old enough. And in math and government classes I learned what a 2/3 majority to override vetoes meant.
Title: Re: Trollops, Trannies and Trump. The Coming of Age of the Morton Downey, Jr. Generation
Post by: Scottftlc on August 23, 2015, 04:49:40 pm
A new breed that would do what given divided gvmnt?  Great wailing an knashing of teeth?  Government shutdowns?  It's always oh so easy for the critics.

OK I have a plan for you...should suit you perfectly, let's just go on letting the socialists have their way and relish in our new Marxist society.  Because unlike YOU...they will fight for what they want, and because they will...and Republicans like YOU will not...they will get it.

Timid passivity always loses to determination and direction.
Title: Re: Trollops, Trannies and Trump. The Coming of Age of the Morton Downey, Jr. Generation
Post by: bkepley on August 23, 2015, 04:55:46 pm
OK I have a plan for you...should suit you perfectly, let's just go on letting the socialists have their way and relish in our new Marxist society.  Because unlike YOU...they will fight for what they want, and because they will...and Republicans like YOU will not...they will get it.

Timid passivity always loses to determination and direction.

Name an issue and explain how it should have been handled.  You guys are always so outraged because your heros end up face to face with the constitution after all.  What would you do?
Title: Re: Trollops, Trannies and Trump. The Coming of Age of the Morton Downey, Jr. Generation
Post by: Bigun on August 23, 2015, 05:43:18 pm
I am old enough. And in math and government classes I learned what a 2/3 majority to override vetoes meant.

But you didn't learn the value of forcing the president to actually VETO bills passed by both houses of congress and sweat out actual over ride votes on those vetoes did you?
Title: Re: Trollops, Trannies and Trump. The Coming of Age of the Morton Downey, Jr. Generation
Post by: bkepley on August 23, 2015, 05:48:22 pm
But you didn't learn the value of forcing the president to actually VETO bills passed by both houses of congress and sweat out actual over ride votes on those vetoes did you?

No I admit I didn't learn the value of that actually.  What is it and is that your entire complaint?
Title: Re: Trollops, Trannies and Trump. The Coming of Age of the Morton Downey, Jr. Generation
Post by: Bigun on August 23, 2015, 05:54:32 pm
No I admit I didn't learn the value of that actually.  What is it and is that your entire complaint?

It shows the voting public EXACTLY where the problem lies AND keeps promises made.

Yes! Being continually patronized and outright lied to for decades is my chief complaint.
Title: Re: Trollops, Trannies and Trump. The Coming of Age of the Morton Downey, Jr. Generation
Post by: bkepley on August 23, 2015, 05:58:06 pm
It shows the voting public EXACTLY where the problem lies AND keeps promises made.

Yes! Being continually patronized and outright lied to for decades is my chief complaint.

I suspect McConnell has other ideas but lets say you are right.  What about Boener?  How would you do it differently?
Title: Re: Trollops, Trannies and Trump. The Coming of Age of the Morton Downey, Jr. Generation
Post by: Bigun on August 23, 2015, 06:14:36 pm
I suspect McConnell has other ideas but lets say you are right.  What about Boener?  How would you do it differently?

Virtually everything.  Boehner and his lemmings have given Obama everything he wanted.
Title: Re: Trollops, Trannies and Trump. The Coming of Age of the Morton Downey, Jr. Generation
Post by: bkepley on August 23, 2015, 06:17:28 pm
Virtually everything.  Boehner and his lemmings have given Obama everything he wanted.

Can you give me an example?
Title: Re: Trollops, Trannies and Trump. The Coming of Age of the Morton Downey, Jr. Generation
Post by: Bigun on August 23, 2015, 06:20:59 pm
Can you give me an example?
Ll
Sure! The cromnibus. I would not have done that at all.
Title: Re: Trollops, Trannies and Trump. The Coming of Age of the Morton Downey, Jr. Generation
Post by: bkepley on August 23, 2015, 06:29:05 pm
Ll
Sure! The cromnibus. I would not have done that at all.

What about Tom Delay?  Did you like him?
Title: Re: Trollops, Trannies and Trump. The Coming of Age of the Morton Downey, Jr. Generation
Post by: Bigun on August 23, 2015, 06:33:55 pm
What about Tom Delay?  Did you like him?

Very much!
Title: Re: Trollops, Trannies and Trump. The Coming of Age of the Morton Downey, Jr. Generation
Post by: bkepley on August 23, 2015, 06:38:24 pm
Very much!

Ok   I understand the fuss now.  Never really gave it much thought.  There was always a lot of animosity from the right against the GOP.  I wouldn't mind a more vigorous opposition.
Title: Re: Trollops, Trannies and Trump. The Coming of Age of the Morton Downey, Jr. Generation
Post by: Luis Gonzalez on August 23, 2015, 06:42:18 pm
Ll
Sure! The cromnibus. I would not have done that at all.

The cromnibus kept Ryan-Murray spending caps of $521 billion for defense and $492 billion for non-defense spending. It left the Department of Homeland Security as the only agency not funded through the end of the fiscal year.

It included no new funding for Obamacare. It prohibited the transfer or release of detainees held at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba into the United States, meaning no civilian trials. It blocked funding of the risk corridors that, under the Affordable Care Act, could lead to a government bailout of the insurance companies. It maintained all the existing pro-life policy and funding provisions and added three more while cutting the funds for the Independent Payment Advisory Board (which is the body that would be recommending any rationing of health care) by $10 million.

The bill also cut funding for the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency by $60 million, which is the fifth consecutive year the agency’s budget had been cut and may finally convince the bureaucrats who run the place they cannot go beyond what they are legally authorized to do without congressional approval. And it hit the Internal Revenue Service particularly hard, cutting its allocation of federal dollars by $345.6 million, prohibited it from targeting organizations because of the way they chose to exercise their First Amendment rights or on an ideological basis, punished it for its profligate abuse of taxpayer dollars on expensive, needless videos and conferences at luxury resorts, and prohibited the White House from ordering the review of any organization's tax exempt status.

You wouldn't have done any of that at all Bigun?

Title: Re: Trollops, Trannies and Trump. The Coming of Age of the Morton Downey, Jr. Generation
Post by: Bigun on August 23, 2015, 06:47:04 pm
Ok   I understand the fuss now.  Never really gave it much thought.  There was always a lot of animosity from the right against the GOP.  I wouldn't mind a more vigorous opposition.

Good! Afar more vigorous opposition is far preferable to the total capitulation we have seen thus far.
Title: Re: Trollops, Trannies and Trump. The Coming of Age of the Morton Downey, Jr. Generation
Post by: bkepley on August 23, 2015, 08:25:36 pm
Good! Afar more vigorous opposition is far preferable to the total capitulation we have seen thus far.

I don't agree with the "total capitulation" hyperbole but I get that people want more vigorous opposition.
Title: Re: Trollops, Trannies and Trump. The Coming of Age of the Morton Downey, Jr. Generation
Post by: DCPatriot on August 23, 2015, 08:52:16 pm
I don't agree with the "total capitulation" hyperbole but I get that people want more vigorous opposition.

DUH!!!!
Title: Re: Trollops, Trannies and Trump. The Coming of Age of the Morton Downey, Jr. Generation
Post by: bkepley on August 23, 2015, 08:58:36 pm
DUH!!!!

Won't do you any good DC...Trump is not the answer.
Title: Re: Trollops, Trannies and Trump. The Coming of Age of the Morton Downey, Jr. Generation
Post by: DCPatriot on August 23, 2015, 08:59:42 pm
Won't do you any good DC...Trump is not the answer.

I may end believing you, brother.....but just not yet!   :laugh:
Title: Re: Trollops, Trannies and Trump. The Coming of Age of the Morton Downey, Jr. Generation
Post by: Oceander on September 05, 2015, 05:30:09 pm
Donald Trump is not Barack Obama.

Yeah.  Obama has much nicer hair.
Title: Re: Trollops, Trannies and Trump. The Coming of Age of the Morton Downey, Jr. Generation
Post by: Luis Gonzalez on December 07, 2017, 04:44:49 am
Scary.

I may have been a little more than clairvoyant when I wrote this.
Title: Re: Trollops, Trannies and Trump. The Coming of Age of the Morton Downey, Jr. Generation
Post by: Frank Cannon on December 07, 2017, 04:50:18 am


It's gotten to the point that proper decorum is out of place in politics.  Tis true.  "Nice guys finish last".



LOL. Well looky here. Isn't this special what the Wayback Machine just dug up....

@RoosGirl
Title: Re: Trollops, Trannies and Trump. The Coming of Age of the Morton Downey, Jr. Generation
Post by: Frank Cannon on December 07, 2017, 05:06:15 am
Well well.  I guaran-effiing-tee you that someone was hoping this thread was dead and buried.

I'm sure there are plenty more nuggets sprinkled all over the place.
Title: Re: Trollops, Trannies and Trump. The Coming of Age of the Morton Downey, Jr. Generation
Post by: aligncare on December 07, 2017, 06:11:48 am
Scary.

I may have been a little more than clairvoyant when I wrote this.

Really? How’s it possible to be at once clairvoyant and dead wrong? Donald Trump is none of the things you said he was. In fact, as many of his supporters including me knew would happen, Trump’s actions in office have been as conservative, and in many ways, more conservative than Ronald Reagan’s.

About Trump you’ve been proven to be wrong, wronglyer, and wronglyest. A threefer!  888high58888
Title: Re: Trollops, Trannies and Trump. The Coming of Age of the Morton Downey, Jr. Generation
Post by: Luis Gonzalez on December 07, 2017, 08:39:20 pm
... in many ways, more conservative than Ronald Reagan’s.

Well, alrighty then.
Title: Re: Trollops, Trannies and Trump. The Coming of Age of the Morton Downey, Jr. Generation
Post by: Luis Gonzalez on December 07, 2017, 08:40:29 pm
The point of the piece was that our government is a damned circus act, and every circus must have a ringmaster.
Title: Re: Trollops, Trannies and Trump. The Coming of Age of the Morton Downey, Jr. Generation
Post by: DCPatriot on December 07, 2017, 09:14:13 pm
I'll tell you why I'm encouraging Donald Trump's candidacy at this time.

It's gotten to the point that proper decorum is out of place in politics.  Tis true.  "Nice guys finish last".

In fact, after being 'burned' now several times going back to Robert Dole and John McCain, while the country seems to be sprinting toward Socialism, what exactly is it about Republicans' fascination with one-arm handicapped Nominees?  It's beyond ridiculous.

Next up, the candidate with the pearly white smile.  Like something out of a Pepsodent commercial.  One that you swore, stepped out of a Leave it to Beaver or Donna Reed episode.

If Mitt Romney couldn't beat a conniving Marxist like Barack Obama and the mainstream media complex, who could possibly pick up the banner and save our Republic?

Not only "No Sir!", but "HELL NO, YOU STUPID SOBS!"   I've had it.

Time to try something new and different.   How about a candidate that has the ballz to rip off an opponent's face and show it to him?

My country is circling the drain and Social Conservatives are still stomping their feet and asking for another 'one' armed Savior?

Uh....before you run out to pick out the proper color to paint the house....FIRST put out the Goddamned fire!

It may be true that Donald Trump is more Democrat than Republican. 

NEWSFLASH!!   I don't give a ###K.  The hillside our Republic was built upon has been steadily eroding.  Blame it on WoodStock.  Blame it on Kent State.  Blame it on VietNam.  Blame it on public sector unions.  DON'T CARE!

Shoring up the hill is fruitless and pointless.

Today's Democrats are not in the vein of John F. Kennedy or even William Jefferson Clinton.  Today's Democrat leadership would have been rounded up and arrested 'only' 60 years ago.

Therefore, I choose to understand and respect my enemies on the Left, and get realistic in my new chosen leader.

#1.  I want an unabashed Capitalist who appreciates the concept of Trickle Down Economics.  One who knows full well that there is a pent-up pile of cash just waiting for a signal that it's safe to come out and grow a business once again without punishing regulations whose only intent was to destroy wealth.

#2.  I want every single one of Obama's Executive Orders to be rescinded.

Does anybody think for one minute that Barack Obama, the retired POTUS is going away?  He'll be in our faces every damned night on the news.  They'll have a Barack Obama segment for chrissakes.

No.  We need a POTUS that will not go the 'mature', 'adult' way filled with gravitas and other assorted happy horsesh*t.  One that stays pissed and vindictive and continues to destroy our enemies.

And that person today is Donald Trump.

@Luis Gonzalez

Ya wanna talk about clairvoyance?    :whistle:

There it is.

Donald Trump won't fold like the GOP Presidents of the past.

If Schumer and Pelosi cause the government shutdown, President Trump will figuratively rip their arms off....use it to beat them on their heads.

This ain't the "Bush" league.

PS:  Good to 'see' you again, Luis.  Hope all is well.   :beer:
Title: Re: Trollops, Trannies and Trump. The Coming of Age of the Morton Downey, Jr. Generation
Post by: aligncare on December 07, 2017, 10:16:25 pm
@Luis Gonzalez

Ya wanna talk about clairvoyance?    :whistle:

There it is.

Donald Trump won't fold like the GOP Presidents of the past.

If Schumer and Pelosi cause the government shutdown, President Trump will figuratively rip their arms off....use it to beat them on their heads.

This ain't the "Bush" league.

PS:  Good to 'see' you again, Luis.  Hope all is well.   :beer:

All one has to do to see why so many conservatives are behind this president, and why you were so right when you wrote this post, is look at Trump’s actions, his promises kept, his documented record in office. It’s all there, no spin.
Title: Re: Trollops, Trannies and Trump. The Coming of Age of the Morton Downey, Jr. Generation
Post by: dfwgator on December 07, 2017, 10:30:18 pm
I've been talking about Jerry Springer politics for quite sometime now. It's the norm for both sides of the political spectrum now.

Sad.

Trump/Downey 2016!

Get back to me when we start seeing fistfights in Congress, like they have in Taiwan.
Title: Re: Trollops, Trannies and Trump. The Coming of Age of the Morton Downey, Jr. Generation
Post by: Luis Gonzalez on December 07, 2017, 10:48:41 pm
Get back to me when we start seeing fistfights in Congress, like they have in Taiwan.

So the standard is fist fights in Congress?

You’d think the standard for the US would be a tad higher.
Title: Re: Trollops, Trannies and Trump. The Coming of Age of the Morton Downey, Jr. Generation
Post by: Luis Gonzalez on December 07, 2017, 10:51:42 pm
@Luis Gonzalez

Ya wanna talk about clairvoyance?    :whistle:

There it is.

Donald Trump won't fold like the GOP Presidents of the past.

If Schumer and Pelosi cause the government shutdown, President Trump will figuratively rip their arms off....use it to beat them on their heads.

This ain't the "Bush" league.

PS:  Good to 'see' you again, Luis.  Hope all is well.   :beer:

Hey DC!

Lots of moving pieces in my life as of late.

Our government is a joke. A sad joke.

Trump is the President and I helped get him there, but that doesn’t change my opinion of him, or the government in general.

It’s a sad, pathetic joke.

Good to see you still have your back up singers.
Title: Re: Trollops, Trannies and Trump. The Coming of Age of the Morton Downey, Jr. Generation
Post by: Cyber Liberty on December 08, 2017, 12:46:17 am
It's good to see you again, @Luis Gonzalez, even if it's just a few brief posts.  Don't be a stranger!
Title: Re: Trollops, Trannies and Trump. The Coming of Age of the Morton Downey, Jr. Generation
Post by: Luis Gonzalez on December 08, 2017, 05:33:03 am
It's good to see you again, @Luis Gonzalez, even if it's just a few brief posts.  Don't be a stranger!

Good to see you too my friend.

Been massively busy.

Don't live in South Florida any longer.
Title: Re: Trollops, Trannies and Trump. The Coming of Age of the Morton Downey, Jr. Generation
Post by: Cyber Liberty on December 08, 2017, 05:41:10 am
Good to see you too my friend.

Been massively busy.

Don't live in South Florida any longer.

Really???  Wow!  I can't believe that....

We're the same here, but we're overrun with a herd of cats now.
Title: Re: Trollops, Trannies and Trump. The Coming of Age of the Morton Downey, Jr. Generation
Post by: corbe on August 20, 2023, 02:06:25 am
   I was looking for the Q Thread to post more of my Bizarre BS and ran across this Thread. 
   I have a newfound Respect for @Luis Gonzalez someone I never related to in here. 
   And with that I'll go back out on my tiny deck, smoke a couple of bowls and take just a couple of draws of my half-frozen Fireball whiskey.  The Sun's down and it's only 97.
Title: Re: Trollops, Trannies and Trump. The Coming of Age of the Morton Downey, Jr. Generation
Post by: Lando Lincoln on August 20, 2023, 02:14:09 am
@Luis Gonzalez is a good friend.  I wish he posted more.
Title: Re: Trollops, Trannies and Trump. The Coming of Age of the Morton Downey, Jr. Generation
Post by: corbe on August 20, 2023, 02:32:09 am
   He seems like a 'Prophetic' guy in my option @Lando Lincoln
Title: Re: Trollops, Trannies and Trump. The Coming of Age of the Morton Downey, Jr. Generation
Post by: DB on August 20, 2023, 03:39:06 am
The post was as relevant today as it was then...
Title: Re: Trollops, Trannies and Trump. The Coming of Age of the Morton Downey, Jr. Generation
Post by: Cyber Liberty on August 20, 2023, 04:05:50 am
   I was looking for the Q Thread to post more of my Bizarre BS and ran across this Thread. 
   I have a newfound Respect for @Luis Gonzalez someone I never related to in here. 
   And with that I'll go back out on my tiny deck, smoke a couple of bowls and take just a couple of draws of my half-frozen Fireball whiskey.  The Sun's down and it's only 97.

I miss @Luis Gonzalez.  We met and had dinner/lunch with him a couple of times in Ft. Lauderdale.  He turned me on to deep fried Alligator.  I was still working when we shared that exchange above, now I have retired and moved away from Phoenix.
Title: Re: Trollops, Trannies and Trump. The Coming of Age of the Morton Downey, Jr. Generation
Post by: Lando Lincoln on August 20, 2023, 04:16:00 am
I’ve reached out to Luis. I’m hoping he can make a return appearance.
Title: Re: Trollops, Trannies and Trump. The Coming of Age of the Morton Downey, Jr. Generation
Post by: Luis Gonzalez on August 20, 2023, 11:13:02 pm
And with that I'll go back out on my tiny deck, smoke a couple of bowls and take just a couple of draws of my half-frozen Fireball whiskey.  The Sun's down and it's only 97.

I, S or Hybrid?
Title: Re: Trollops, Trannies and Trump. The Coming of Age of the Morton Downey, Jr. Generation
Post by: Luis Gonzalez on August 20, 2023, 11:13:41 pm
I’ve reached out to Luis. I’m hoping he can make a return appearance.

Thanks bud.

Good to see you.
Title: Re: Trollops, Trannies and Trump. The Coming of Age of the Morton Downey, Jr. Generation
Post by: Luis Gonzalez on August 20, 2023, 11:18:31 pm
I miss @Luis Gonzalez.  We met and had dinner/lunch with him a couple of times in Ft. Lauderdale.  He turned me on to deep fried Alligator.  I was still working when we shared that exchange above, now I have retired and moved away from Phoenix.

If u ever come to Tampa we'll go to https://skipperssmokehouse.com/ (https://skipperssmokehouse.com/).

Chill on some blues and eat some gator ribs.
Title: Re: Trollops, Trannies and Trump. The Coming of Age of the Morton Downey, Jr. Generation
Post by: Lando Lincoln on August 20, 2023, 11:29:11 pm
Thanks bud.

Good to see you.

Hey!  Nice to see you found your way back!  Been wandering the wilderness?
Title: Re: Trollops, Trannies and Trump. The Coming of Age of the Morton Downey, Jr. Generation
Post by: Cyber Liberty on August 21, 2023, 12:35:17 am
If u ever come to Tampa we'll go to https://skipperssmokehouse.com/ (https://skipperssmokehouse.com/).

Chill on some blues and eat some gator ribs.

I remember you telling me you moved to Tampa.  I am still in AZ, on the Colorado River.  Mrs. Liberty misses you too!z
Title: Re: Trollops, Trannies and Trump. The Coming of Age of the Morton Downey, Jr. Generation
Post by: Cyber Liberty on August 21, 2023, 12:37:08 am
I, S or Hybrid?

I prefer S.
Title: Re: Trollops, Trannies and Trump. The Coming of Age of the Morton Downey, Jr. Generation
Post by: bigheadfred on August 21, 2023, 12:40:50 am
I prefer S.

Me I
Title: Re: Trollops, Trannies and Trump. The Coming of Age of the Morton Downey, Jr. Generation
Post by: Bigun on August 21, 2023, 12:41:38 am
If u ever come to Tampa we'll go to https://skipperssmokehouse.com/ (https://skipperssmokehouse.com/).

Chill on some blues and eat some gator ribs.

Hey man! REALLY great to hear from you! Hope all is well with you and yours.

Don't be such a stranger! @Luis Gonzalez
Title: Re: Trollops, Trannies and Trump. The Coming of Age of the Morton Downey, Jr. Generation
Post by: Luis Gonzalez on August 21, 2023, 04:51:32 am
Hey man! REALLY great to hear from you! Hope all is well with you and yours.

Don't be such a stranger! @Luis Gonzalez


Right back at you old friend!

Good to see you still fighting the good fight.

Title: Re: Trollops, Trannies and Trump. The Coming of Age of the Morton Downey, Jr. Generation
Post by: Luis Gonzalez on August 21, 2023, 04:55:46 am
Me I

I'm just thrilled beyond belief that i can feel reasonably assured that it won't be oregano, but I am a fan of some good S.


Title: Re: Trollops, Trannies and Trump. The Coming of Age of the Morton Downey, Jr. Generation
Post by: Luis Gonzalez on August 21, 2023, 05:01:38 am
I remember you telling me you moved to Tampa.  I am still in AZ, on the Colorado River.  Mrs. Liberty misses you too!z

Give the Mrs. my love.

Title: Re: Trollops, Trannies and Trump. The Coming of Age of the Morton Downey, Jr. Generation
Post by: Luis Gonzalez on August 21, 2023, 05:08:27 am
   He seems like a 'Prophetic' guy in my option @Lando Lincoln

No prophet here, however right now we have a National Morton Downey Jr Live Show going on.

And just lime with MDJr's shows, Drag Queens led the way.