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Alabama Plans to Carry out First Nitrogen Gas Execution. How Will it Work and What Are the Risks?
Sunday, 21 January 2024 09:15 AM EST
Newsmax (https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/nitrogen-gas-execution-Alabama/2024/01/21/id/1150372/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter)Alabama is preparing to use a new method of execution: nitrogen gas.
Kenneth Eugene Smith, who survived the state’s previous attempt to put him to death by lethal injection in 2022, is scheduled to be put to death Thursday by nitrogen hypoxia. If carried out, it would the first new method of execution since lethal injection was introduced in 1982.
The state maintains that nitrogen gas will cause unconsciousness quickly but critics have likened the never-used method of execution to human experimentation.
Nitrogen hypoxia execution would cause death by forcing the inmate to breathe pure nitrogen, depriving him or her of the oxygen needed to maintain bodily functions. ...
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I am amazed that no one thought of this sooner. Opponents of course will lobby against it because O2 deprivation can be deadly.
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Alabama inmate asks federal appeals court to block first-ever execution by nitrogen gas
Story by By KIM CHANDLER, Associated Press
Jan. 19, 2024MONTGOMERY, Ala. (AP) — An attorney for an Alabama inmate set to be the nation's first person ever put to death by nitrogen gas asked a federal appeals court Friday to block the upcoming execution using the “untested methods.”
Kenneth Smith, 58, is scheduled to be executed Thursday, when a respirator-type mask will be put on his face to replace his breathing air with pure nitrogen — depriving him of the oxygen needed to stay alive. Three states — Alabama, Oklahoma and Mississippi — have authorized nitrogen hypoxia as an execution method, but no state has previously attempted to use it.
The 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals heard diverging descriptions of the humaneness and potential risks of the proposed method in Smith's appeal of a federal judge’s Jan. 10 decision to let the execution go forward. The three judges on the panel asked questions about the proposed method, including claims that it could cause Smith to choke to death on his own vomit, but did not indicate when they will rule. ...
Some states are looking for new ways to execute inmates because the drugs used in lethal injections, the most common execution method in the United States, are increasingly difficult to find. ...
AP via MSN (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/us/alabama-inmate-asking-federal-appeals-court-to-block-first-ever-execution-by-nitrogen-gas/ar-BB1gXq9p)
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Isn't this what animal services uses to dispose of unwanted cats/dogs?
I was just gonna type that and I saw your post
I guess that’s my understanding unless somebody knows different
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Hey throw a bone to the bleeding hearts and use Nitrous Oxide, that way the killers could laugh their way to unconsciousness and death, kind a like party to hell :smokin:
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The virtue of nitrogen hypoxia is that unlike being suffocated in more normal ways (e.g. a pillow over the face or strangulation) it does not cause CO2 to build up in the bloodstream, and the horrible sensations associated with not being able to breath are part of the body's reaction to CO2 building up in the bloodstream. It should, thus, be a painless death even before the condemned convict loses consciousness.
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Probably the most "humane" form of "execution" possible.
Nothing different than this:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a3/Sarco-device.jpg)
What is it? See:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarco_pod
EDIT:
Fishrrman prediction:
In ten years, you'll be able to order these things from amazon...
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Looks like it doubles as a casket.
Looks like the base could deploy wheels and drive the 'customer' to the nearest mortuary, kinda like the Domino's robotic pizza delivery :silly:
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Actually, the Sarco pod WAS originally designed to be a "burial vessel" as well as the device for one's own demise. However, that idea was dropped not long after introduction (I'm going to GUESS that it might be considered "wasteful of resources" to use it that way...).
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Actually, the Sarco pod WAS originally designed to be a "burial vessel" as well as the device for one's own demise. However, that idea was dropped not long after introduction (I'm going to GUESS that it might be considered "wasteful of resources" to use it that way...).
Well they say it's coffin sized but maybe cemeteries balked at allowing them as unproven even if they were going into a concrete vault.
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What is nitrogen hypoxia? Alabama execution to proceed with unprecedented, controversial method
By Emily Mae Czachor
January 23, 2024 / 11:51 AM EST / CBS News (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/what-is-nitrogen-hypoxia-alabama-execution-kenneth-eugene-smith-death-row-untested-controversial/) A death row inmate in Alabama is scheduled to be executed Thursday by nitrogen hypoxia, a controversial and untested method that has prompted legal pushback and public scrutiny from critics within the United States and abroad.
Kenneth Eugene Smith, the condemned inmate, would be the first to die this way if the execution proceeds as planned. Smith was convicted in the 1988 killing of a pastor's wife as part of a murder-for-hire scheme and has been imprisoned for decades in Alabama. He already survived a botched lethal injection in November 2022 — one of four in Alabama since 2018, which was the same year the state authorized the use of nitrogen hypoxia in the death chamber. It is among three states, along with Oklahoma and Mississippi, that technically permit the method as an alternative in the death chamber since lethal injections in recent years have become harder to get. ...
A group of U.N. consultants raised concerns about the execution several weeks ago, saying "that nitrogen hypoxia would result in a painful and humiliating death." Ravina Shamdasani, the spokesperson for Volker Türk, who is the U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights, later warned that execution by nitrogen asphyxiation "could amount to torture or other cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment under international human rights law." ...
You know what isn't untested or degrading? Firing squad.
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Yeah but it's bloody and no one seems to like that.
Then use rope and a scaffold.
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Looks like it doubles as a casket.
It looks like that thing they shot Spock dead body out into space.
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It looks like that thing they shot Spock dead body out into space.
I think that was a photon torpedo casing.
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I think that was a photon torpedo casing.
Close enough! :shrug:
(https://i.etsystatic.com/11286489/r/il/b08a2c/4232240695/il_1140xN.4232240695_b8hs.jpg)
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Alabama should just use whatever is the method "they" use for abortions, no?
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Alabama should just use whatever is the method "they" use for abortions, no?
That's gonna be one hell of vacuum! Maybe they can get Dyson on it.
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What is nitrogen hypoxia? Alabama execution to proceed with unprecedented, controversial method
By Emily Mae Czachor
January 23, 2024 / 11:51 AM EST / CBS News (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/what-is-nitrogen-hypoxia-alabama-execution-kenneth-eugene-smith-death-row-untested-controversial/) You know what isn't untested or degrading? Firing squad.
If I was on death row, that is how I would want to go.
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Tom Fitton
@TomFitton
JUSTICE: Alabama executes Kenneth Eugene Smith by new nitrogen gas method for 1988 murder of pastor’s wife
"Alabama Gov. Kay Ivey confirms the state has executed Kenneth Smith. 'On March 18, 1988, 45-year-old Elizabeth Sennett’s life was brutally taken from her by Kenneth Eugene Smith. After more than 30 years and attempt after attempt to game the system, Mr. Smith has answered for his horrendous crimes....'"
https://t.co/VPPnpG11Dz
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Tom Fitton
@TomFitton
JUSTICE: Alabama executes Kenneth Eugene Smith by new nitrogen gas method for 1988 murder of pastor’s wife
"Alabama Gov. Kay Ivey confirms the state has executed Kenneth Smith. 'On March 18, 1988, 45-year-old Elizabeth Sennett’s life was brutally taken from her by Kenneth Eugene Smith. After more than 30 years and attempt after attempt to game the system, Mr. Smith has answered for his horrendous crimes....'"
https://t.co/VPPnpG11Dz
Good article, thanks.
Smith and his spiritual advisor, the Rev. Jeff Hood, had issued this joint statement prior to the execution: “The eyes of the world are on this impending moral apocalypse. Our prayer is that people will not turn their heads. We simply cannot normalize the suffocation of each other.”
But apparently it is NOT a moral apocalypse to beat and stab someone to death. It's ok to normalize that part. *****rollingeyes*****
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Of course on the morning news shows they reported on what a horrible death this is. *****rollingeyes*****
It sounds like he did not go gently into that good night. I would think the only "good" death is to go in your sleep -
Or if I feel really silly, like VP Rockefeller supposedly went.
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Of course on the morning news shows they reported on what a horrible death this is. *****rollingeyes*****
Maybe the morning news shows and their bleeding hearts should be telling all potential murders to stay the hell out of Alabama so they don't get the same treatment. But thirty years after sentencing? That's obscene, there is no way that there were any legitimate reasons for this cancer on humanity to keep living that long.
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Dying from opiod overdose has always struck me as probably the best way to die... hence why so many people accidentally overdose on opiates.
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We simply cannot normalize the suffocation of each other.”
How 'bout we normalize JUSTICE?
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Death sentence execution's should be more inhumane.
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Death sentence execution's should be more inhumane.
Well there was this guy who came up with somethin it's fast in action, but the trepidation between sentencing and execution..........(https://i.imgur.com/KPVt7yU.jpg)
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Bullets are cheap. Stick 6 in him and be done.
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That is a waste of ammo. Shoot a guy once with a 5.56 nato round and they drop on the field, like a sack. Right there. Down and out.
I have never shot anyone 6 times. If that is what it takes to kill someone, you don't need a gun. You need a priest.
I meant your standard firing squad...
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Alabama tries out new execution method on convicted killer, witnesses claim it went horrifically wrong
January 26, 2024 | Terresa Monroe-Hamilton
As Kenneth Eugene Smith was executed slowly by nitrogen hypoxia for viciously murdering a woman, his wife cried out while he reportedly convulsed and thrashed.
Smith is the first person in history to be executed using this method according to the Daily Mail.
“Smith, 58, was put to death Thursday in a ‘horrific’ 22-minute ordeal when a gas mask was placed over his face, before a stream of 100 percent nitrogen gas suffocated him inside the execution chamber at the William C. Holman prison in Atmore, Alabama,” the Daily Mail reported.
“Aged 22, Smith was one of two men convicted in the murder-for-hire slaying of Elizabeth Sennett, 45, the wife of preacher Charles Sennet Sr. who hired the men to kill his wife in an insurance plot,” the media outlet noted.
Sennett was stabbed 8 times in the chest and once on each side of her neck in 1988. He was paid $1,000 for the hit. Despite the brutal nature of her murder, leftists lined up to bemoan the execution of her killer.
more
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2024/01/26/alabama-tries-out-new-execution-method-on-convicted-killer-witnesses-claim-it-went-horrifically-wrong-1431286/
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It’s the method HE chose after a botched first-attempt. I’m sorry for the pain it caused his wife to be in attendance, but he’s a murderer. He offered his victim no recompense.
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It’s the method HE chose after a botched first-attempt. I’m sorry for the pain it caused his wife to be in attendance, but he’s a murderer. He offered his victim no recompense.
:beer:
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From his last words to the final horrifying spasm on his gurney, how America's first nitrogen gas execution saw killer Kenneth Smith thrash around while his wife wept during grisly 22-minute death in Alabama prison Daily Mail (https://t.co/WN7bHYunNw)
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8:39 AM · Jan 26, 2024
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From his last words to the final horrifying spasm on his gurney, how America's first nitrogen gas execution saw killer Kenneth Smith thrash around while his wife wept during grisly 22-minute death in Alabama prison Daily Mail (https://t.co/WN7bHYunNw)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GExcdocWwAAaVXo?format=jpg&name=small)
8:39 AM · Jan 26, 2024
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This is the biggest crock of shit I have ever heard. Nobody ever heard of "acting?"
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From his last words to the final horrifying spasm on his gurney, how America's first nitrogen gas execution saw killer Kenneth Smith thrash around while his wife wept during grisly 22-minute death in Alabama prison Daily Mail (https://t.co/WN7bHYunNw)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GExcdocWwAAaVXo?format=jpg&name=small)
8:39 AM · Jan 26, 2024
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He suffered, oh the horror! (https://i.imgur.com/iGR1cDj.gif) Does anyone think he felt a fraction of the fear, pain and suffering of his victim?
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Meh.
Still like bullets.
Done.
No longer suckin air
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No vengeance.
Just checkin out.
Let God sort it out from there.
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The virtue of nitrogen hypoxia is that unlike being suffocated in more normal ways (e.g. a pillow over the face or strangulation) it does not cause CO2 to build up in the bloodstream, and the horrible sensations associated with not being able to breath are part of the body's reaction to CO2 building up in the bloodstream. It should, thus, be a painless death even before the condemned convict loses consciousness.
Nitrogen hypoxia is a fear in industry.
We use nitrogen to do things like "inert" vessels where we don't want oxygen contacting reactive metal surfaces.
There have been several incicents where people have died from it.
According to the training we recieve,
You can be out on your first breath if the atmosphere has enough nitrogen in it.
You supposedly don't even know it. You inhale, you are asleep.
Death soon follows. No feeling whatsoever.
That is what makes it so insideous.
Famous case where a guy went back into a vessel that was inerted (or had not been "turned over") to retrieve a roll of duct tape sitting on top of a distribution tray. Down a short ladder and he dropped immediatly. Someone called on the radio and went in to rescue him with no SCBA. They both died.
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He struggled for ten minutes? Either the N2 was contaminated with O2 or the mask had a really crappy seal. He should have been out from hypoxia in a maximum of two minutes, and even less if he was exerting himself.
Something here is bogus.
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Blindfold, cig, firing squad.
I don't understand the catering to how X murderer gets a choice in how they die. Not sure I would even provide a last meal request.
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Not sure I would even provide a last meal request.
That really is kind of strange. Here's some lobster and steak which you'll never even get a chance to digest. Now we're going to kill you. Bon apetit!
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That really is kind of strange. Here's some lobster and steak which you'll never even get a chance to digest. Now we're going to kill you. Bon apetit!
And who wants to clean up that mess after his bowels expel themselves upon death!
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He struggled for ten minutes? Either the N2 was contaminated with O2 or the mask had a really crappy seal. He should have been out from hypoxia in a maximum of two minutes, and even less if he was exerting himself.
Something here is bogus.
He did the thrashing on his own accord. He was acting to make a statement.
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Cyber wrote:
"He did the thrashing on his own accord. He was acting to make a statement."
Correct.
I wrote the following before I read your post. I'm posting it anyway:
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Regarding the reports of this guy "writhing" before he died.
Seems that I read he purposely tried to HOLD HIS BREATH for as long as possible, around two minutes (which was about the time the media reported he "struggled").
When he finally had to give up and breathe, it was over.
OK, here's an off-the-wall comment for ya:
The guy did this because he was PUT UP to do it by anti-death penalty advocates.
He was asked to "make it look bad" -- precisely because nitrogen hypoxia in reality is a passive, painless death. That's why it's promoted by assisted-suicide and right-to-die folks, and why it's designed into the Sarco Pod (in which case the pod-user activates the nitrogen from INSIDE).
The anti-death penalty people DON'T WANT this to become "the norm", because it would actually eliminate the argument of "cruel" "punishment".
Hence, their attempts to stop it.
Also, I'm not sure I understand why they used a "mask" on the guy.
Much better to have a "gas chamber" like enclosure, into which the prisoner is strapped into a chair. Just let him sit there and breathe normally, nothing on his face, then introduce the nitrogen to replace the oxygen. There will be no struggle, the prisoner won't know anything, other than to fall unconscious.
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Cyber wrote:
"He did the thrashing on his own accord. He was acting to make a statement."
Correct.
I wrote the following before I read your post. I'm posting it anyway:
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Regarding the reports of this guy "writhing" before he died.
Seems that I read he purposely tried to HOLD HIS BREATH for as long as possible, around two minutes (which was about the time the media reported he "struggled").
When he finally had to give up and breathe, it was over.
OK, here's an off-the-wall comment for ya:
The guy did this because he was PUT UP to do it by anti-death penalty advocates.
He was asked to "make it look bad" -- precisely because nitrogen hypoxia in reality is a passive, painless death. That's why it's promoted by assisted-suicide and right-to-die folks, and why it's designed into the Sarco Pod (in which case the pod-user activates the nitrogen from INSIDE).
The anti-death penalty people DON'T WANT this to become "the norm", because it would actually eliminate the argument of "cruel" "punishment".
Hence, their attempts to stop it.
Also, I'm not sure I understand why they used a "mask" on the guy.
Much better to have a "gas chamber" like enclosure, into which the prisoner is strapped into a chair. Just let him sit there and breathe normally, nothing on his face, then introduce the nitrogen to replace the oxygen. There will be no struggle, the prisoner won't know anything, other than to fall unconscious.
Mask delivers the N2 much faster.
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He struggled for ten minutes? Either the N2 was contaminated with O2 or the mask had a really crappy seal. He should have been out from hypoxia in a maximum of two minutes, and even less if he was exerting himself.
Something here is bogus.
Agree 100%. There was an accident 2 or 3 years back at a chicken plant north of Atlanta. They used liquid nitrogen for cooling. They had just installed a new system, but that system developed a leak inside the bottom floor of an employee building. Six employees died. You either made it up the stairs in 15 seconds, or you fell unconscious and died.
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WTF How the H3!! did it take 22 minutes. 5-8 minutes tops you can go with out oxygen.
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Prisons have had a hard time obtaining lethal injection drugs in recent years
Liquid Draino cost about $17 for a gallon over at Lowes.
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Strange...
The government/leftists know how to painless kill people via assisted suicide but somehow can't manage to come up with a way to kill convicted murderers in a humane way.
Common sense has long left the building...
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